Re: [Openstack-operators] openstack vmware
thanks all for your contribution on my request. Ignazio Il giorno 21/set/2015 22:42, "Federico Michele Facca"ha scritto: > Mark is right, the multi region approach, surely simplifies a lot the > complexity of your deployment. Unless it is a needed feature for you to see > multi hypervisor resources in a single view. All the rest - even though > with additional complications - including multi "region" heat templates, > multi region lbaas etc (using vpn across the regions), should work out. > > Again, it all depends on your requirements :) > > iFede - Fede's mobile edition > > > Il giorno 21 set 2015, alle ore 22:13, Mark Voelker > ha scritto: > > > > Ignazio, > > > >> I know there is a nova driver for vmware. > >> I' like to know if glance, heat, ceilometer etc etc work with vmware. > > > > > > There are VMware drivers for Nova, Neutron (NSX and DVS, though the > latter supports far fewer features), Neutron LBaaS, Cinder, and Glance. > Heat and Ceilometer also work fine. You can find configuration guides here: > > > > > http://docs.openstack.org/kilo/config-reference/content/vmware-vmdk-driver.html > > > > http://docs.openstack.org/kilo/config-reference/content/vmware.html > > > > > http://docs.openstack.org/kilo/config-reference/content/vmware-glance-backend.html > > > > > http://docs.openstack.org/kilo/config-reference/content/networking-plugin-vmware.html > > > > > http://docs.openstack.org/kilo/config-reference/content/networking-plugin-nsx.html > > > >> As far is neutron is concerned, in a scenario where there are kvm and > vmware nodes, must I have an nsx multihypervisor solution ? > >> Must I insall nsx componenents on kvm nodes (a modified ovs version > for kvm) ? > >> On vmware must I install the vmware nsx or the multihypervisor version ? > > > > Not necessarily. A common tactic for dealing with differing hypervisors > (or for that matter, different networking or perhaps even storage > solutions) is to deploy them into two separate regions: one for KVM and one > for ESX. If you’re not familiar with the regions concept in OpenStack, > have a look here: > > > > http://docs.openstack.org/openstack-ops/content/scaling.html > > > > Essentially since these are separate API endpoints, you can have very > different capabilities in each without having to worry about mixing and > matching solutions. So essentially you might have one region with ESX > hypervisors, NSX for vSphere networking, and vSAN (or any other VMDK > storage) for storage. In the other region you might have KVM hypervisors > with OVS for networking and NFS for storage. Be aware that users must > target their API calls to one region or the other though (since they are > separate endpoints), and logical networks typically won’t stretch between > regions. Regions are often thought of as a construct for geographically > diverse datacenters, but also work well as a means of segregation within a > single DC. > > > > At the risk of being accused of advertising on a mailer alias (=p), > since you appear to have an interest in the VMware hypervisor and network > stack you may want to have a look at the VMware Integrated OpenStack > distribution: > > > > http://www.vmware.com/products/openstack/ > > > > Other distributions (including I believe Mirantis and HP) also offer > support for VMware underpinnings: > > > > > http://docs.hpcloud.com/#commercial/GA1/1.1commercial.install-GA-esx.html > > > https://www.mirantis.com/partners/mirantis-technology-partners/mirantis-partners-vmware/ > > > > At Your Service, > > > > Mark T. Voelker > > > > > > > >> On Sep 21, 2015, at 1:44 PM, Ignazio Cassano > wrote: > >> > >> We would like to provide cloud infrastracture multi hypervosor with > sdn, multi tenancy, orchestration and self provisioning. > >> I think openstack with kvm is a good start point but we have hunderds > applications on vmware. > >> A good compromise could be kvm and vmware with openstack but I am not > sure it is a good idea because vmware seems to me limited in this scenario. > >> > >> Il giorno 21/set/2015 19:18, "Federico Michele Facca" < > federico.fa...@create-net.org> ha scritto: > >> there is no a proper answer to your question (expecially if you don't > provide a bit of a context :) i.e. > >> what are you trying to achieve? what are your constraints?) > >> > >> In general, I doubt you can do many of the things you can do with > OpenStack using vCenter, and probably also with vCloud... (and the other > way around, there are things you can do with vCloud, you cannot do today > with OpenStack) on the other hand, by pluging vCenter in OpenStack you can > do many things that only vCenter can't achieve :) > >> > >> > >> > >> On Mon, Sep 21, 2015 at 7:02 PM, Ignazio Cassano < > ignaziocass...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Many thanks Federico... > >> So the question is: why should I use openstack with vmware ? > >> Il giorno 21/set/2015 18:34, "Federico Michele
Re: [Openstack-operators] openstack vmware
We would like to provide cloud infrastracture multi hypervosor with sdn, multi tenancy, orchestration and self provisioning. I think openstack with kvm is a good start point but we have hunderds applications on vmware. A good compromise could be kvm and vmware with openstack but I am not sure it is a good idea because vmware seems to me limited in this scenario. Il giorno 21/set/2015 19:18, "Federico Michele Facca" < federico.fa...@create-net.org> ha scritto: > there is no a proper answer to your question (expecially if you don't > provide a bit of a context :) i.e. > what are you trying to achieve? what are your constraints?) > > In general, I doubt you can do many of the things you can do with > OpenStack using vCenter, and probably also with vCloud... (and the other > way around, there are things you can do with vCloud, you cannot do today > with OpenStack) on the other hand, by pluging vCenter in OpenStack you can > do many things that only vCenter can't achieve :) > > > > On Mon, Sep 21, 2015 at 7:02 PM, Ignazio Cassano> wrote: > >> Many thanks Federico... >> So the question is: why should I use openstack with vmware ? >> Il giorno 21/set/2015 18:34, "Federico Michele Facca" < >> federico.fa...@create-net.org> ha scritto: >> >>> Hi Ignazio, >>> I am not the greatest expert in my team on the topic, so there my be >>> some mistakes (anyone feel free to correct :)), read my reply inline >>> >>> On Mon, Sep 21, 2015 at 6:02 PM, Ignazio Cassano < >>> ignaziocass...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> Hi all, I' would like to know which openstack community edition components work with vmware. I know there is a nova driver for vmware. >>> >>> correct, basically it will act as a "proxy" toward vCenter >>> >>> I' like to know if glance, heat, ceilometer etc etc work with vmware. >>> AFAIK Heat as no real dependency, so no issue. Ceilometer, we haven't >>> tested, but any implementation may reflect the fact that OS services for >>> VMWare are proxies (i.e. it will see whatever is on the other side like a >>> huge compute or a huge cinder) >>> >>> About glance you may have some limitations, since it supports so far >>> (unless anything changed in Liberty) a single backend. actually we had >>> issues in booting a vmware volume from an image (using swift as glance >>> backend - it should work with no issue using the vmware storage, but then I >>> guess you lose the multi hypervisor support). >>> >>> >>> As far is neutron is concerned, in a scenario where there are kvm and vmware nodes, must I have an nsx multihypervisor solution ? >>> >>> I think you can use other drivers as well (actually we developed one for >>> a customer). Or nova-network. >>> >>> Must I insall nsx componenents on kvm nodes (a modified ovs version for kvm) ? >>> we didn't go for NSX solution, but I guess so. >>> On vmware must I install the vmware nsx or the multihypervisor version ? >>> >>> yes multihpervisor one... I know there were rumors about an opens source >>> release, but I hadn't any update on that. >>> >>> >>> Regards, >>> Federico >>> Regards Ignazio ___ OpenStack-operators mailing list OpenStack-operators@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-operators >>> >>> >>> -- >>> -- >>> Future Internet is closer than you think! >>> http://www.fiware.org >>> >>> Official Mirantis partner for OpenStack Training >>> https://www.create-net.org/community/openstack-training >>> >>> -- >>> Dr. Federico M. Facca >>> >>> CREATE-NET >>> Via alla Cascata 56/D >>> 38123 Povo Trento (Italy) >>> >>> P +39 0461 312471 >>> M +39 334 6049758 >>> E federico.fa...@create-net.org >>> T @chicco785 >>> W www.create-net.org >>> >> > > > -- > -- > Future Internet is closer than you think! > http://www.fiware.org > > Official Mirantis partner for OpenStack Training > https://www.create-net.org/community/openstack-training > > -- > Dr. Federico M. Facca > > CREATE-NET > Via alla Cascata 56/D > 38123 Povo Trento (Italy) > > P +39 0461 312471 > M +39 334 6049758 > E federico.fa...@create-net.org > T @chicco785 > W www.create-net.org > ___ OpenStack-operators mailing list OpenStack-operators@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-operators
Re: [Openstack-operators] openstack vmware
Many thanks Federico... So the question is: why should I use openstack with vmware ? Il giorno 21/set/2015 18:34, "Federico Michele Facca" < federico.fa...@create-net.org> ha scritto: > Hi Ignazio, > I am not the greatest expert in my team on the topic, so there my be some > mistakes (anyone feel free to correct :)), read my reply inline > > On Mon, Sep 21, 2015 at 6:02 PM, Ignazio Cassano> wrote: > >> Hi all, I' would like to know which openstack community edition >> components work with vmware. >> I know there is a nova driver for vmware. >> > > correct, basically it will act as a "proxy" toward vCenter > > >> I' like to know if glance, heat, ceilometer etc etc work with vmware. >> > AFAIK Heat as no real dependency, so no issue. Ceilometer, we haven't > tested, but any implementation may reflect the fact that OS services for > VMWare are proxies (i.e. it will see whatever is on the other side like a > huge compute or a huge cinder) > > About glance you may have some limitations, since it supports so far > (unless anything changed in Liberty) a single backend. actually we had > issues in booting a vmware volume from an image (using swift as glance > backend - it should work with no issue using the vmware storage, but then I > guess you lose the multi hypervisor support). > > > As far is neutron is concerned, in a scenario where there are kvm and >> vmware nodes, must I have an nsx multihypervisor solution ? >> > > I think you can use other drivers as well (actually we developed one for a > customer). Or nova-network. > > >> Must I insall nsx componenents on kvm nodes (a modified ovs version for >> kvm) ? >> > we didn't go for NSX solution, but I guess so. > >> On vmware must I install the vmware nsx or the multihypervisor version ? >> > > yes multihpervisor one... I know there were rumors about an opens source > release, but I hadn't any update on that. > > > Regards, > Federico > >> Regards >> Ignazio >> >> ___ >> OpenStack-operators mailing list >> OpenStack-operators@lists.openstack.org >> http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-operators >> >> > > > -- > -- > Future Internet is closer than you think! > http://www.fiware.org > > Official Mirantis partner for OpenStack Training > https://www.create-net.org/community/openstack-training > > -- > Dr. Federico M. Facca > > CREATE-NET > Via alla Cascata 56/D > 38123 Povo Trento (Italy) > > P +39 0461 312471 > M +39 334 6049758 > E federico.fa...@create-net.org > T @chicco785 > W www.create-net.org > ___ OpenStack-operators mailing list OpenStack-operators@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-operators
Re: [Openstack-operators] openstack vmware
Ignazio, > I know there is a nova driver for vmware. > I' like to know if glance, heat, ceilometer etc etc work with vmware. There are VMware drivers for Nova, Neutron (NSX and DVS, though the latter supports far fewer features), Neutron LBaaS, Cinder, and Glance. Heat and Ceilometer also work fine. You can find configuration guides here: http://docs.openstack.org/kilo/config-reference/content/vmware-vmdk-driver.html http://docs.openstack.org/kilo/config-reference/content/vmware.html http://docs.openstack.org/kilo/config-reference/content/vmware-glance-backend.html http://docs.openstack.org/kilo/config-reference/content/networking-plugin-vmware.html http://docs.openstack.org/kilo/config-reference/content/networking-plugin-nsx.html > As far is neutron is concerned, in a scenario where there are kvm and vmware > nodes, must I have an nsx multihypervisor solution ? > Must I insall nsx componenents on kvm nodes (a modified ovs version for kvm) > ? > On vmware must I install the vmware nsx or the multihypervisor version ? Not necessarily. A common tactic for dealing with differing hypervisors (or for that matter, different networking or perhaps even storage solutions) is to deploy them into two separate regions: one for KVM and one for ESX. If you’re not familiar with the regions concept in OpenStack, have a look here: http://docs.openstack.org/openstack-ops/content/scaling.html Essentially since these are separate API endpoints, you can have very different capabilities in each without having to worry about mixing and matching solutions. So essentially you might have one region with ESX hypervisors, NSX for vSphere networking, and vSAN (or any other VMDK storage) for storage. In the other region you might have KVM hypervisors with OVS for networking and NFS for storage. Be aware that users must target their API calls to one region or the other though (since they are separate endpoints), and logical networks typically won’t stretch between regions. Regions are often thought of as a construct for geographically diverse datacenters, but also work well as a means of segregation within a single DC. At the risk of being accused of advertising on a mailer alias (=p), since you appear to have an interest in the VMware hypervisor and network stack you may want to have a look at the VMware Integrated OpenStack distribution: http://www.vmware.com/products/openstack/ Other distributions (including I believe Mirantis and HP) also offer support for VMware underpinnings: http://docs.hpcloud.com/#commercial/GA1/1.1commercial.install-GA-esx.html https://www.mirantis.com/partners/mirantis-technology-partners/mirantis-partners-vmware/ At Your Service, Mark T. Voelker > On Sep 21, 2015, at 1:44 PM, Ignazio Cassanowrote: > > We would like to provide cloud infrastracture multi hypervosor with sdn, > multi tenancy, orchestration and self provisioning. > I think openstack with kvm is a good start point but we have hunderds > applications on vmware. > A good compromise could be kvm and vmware with openstack but I am not sure it > is a good idea because vmware seems to me limited in this scenario. > > Il giorno 21/set/2015 19:18, "Federico Michele Facca" > ha scritto: > there is no a proper answer to your question (expecially if you don't provide > a bit of a context :) i.e. > what are you trying to achieve? what are your constraints?) > > In general, I doubt you can do many of the things you can do with OpenStack > using vCenter, and probably also with vCloud... (and the other way around, > there are things you can do with vCloud, you cannot do today with OpenStack) > on the other hand, by pluging vCenter in OpenStack you can do many things > that only vCenter can't achieve :) > > > > On Mon, Sep 21, 2015 at 7:02 PM, Ignazio Cassano > wrote: > Many thanks Federico... > So the question is: why should I use openstack with vmware ? > Il giorno 21/set/2015 18:34, "Federico Michele Facca" > ha scritto: > Hi Ignazio, > I am not the greatest expert in my team on the topic, so there my be some > mistakes (anyone feel free to correct :)), read my reply inline > > On Mon, Sep 21, 2015 at 6:02 PM, Ignazio Cassano > wrote: > Hi all, I' would like to know which openstack community edition components > work with vmware. > I know there is a nova driver for vmware. > > > correct, basically it will act as a "proxy" toward vCenter > > I' like to know if glance, heat, ceilometer etc etc work with vmware. > > AFAIK Heat as no real dependency, so no issue. Ceilometer, we haven't tested, > but any implementation may reflect the fact that OS services for VMWare are > proxies (i.e. it will see whatever is on the other side like a huge compute > or a huge cinder) > > About glance you may have some limitations, since it supports so far
Re: [Openstack-operators] openstack vmware
Mark is right, the multi region approach, surely simplifies a lot the complexity of your deployment. Unless it is a needed feature for you to see multi hypervisor resources in a single view. All the rest - even though with additional complications - including multi "region" heat templates, multi region lbaas etc (using vpn across the regions), should work out. Again, it all depends on your requirements :) iFede - Fede's mobile edition > Il giorno 21 set 2015, alle ore 22:13, Mark Voelkerha > scritto: > > Ignazio, > >> I know there is a nova driver for vmware. >> I' like to know if glance, heat, ceilometer etc etc work with vmware. > > > There are VMware drivers for Nova, Neutron (NSX and DVS, though the latter > supports far fewer features), Neutron LBaaS, Cinder, and Glance. Heat and > Ceilometer also work fine. You can find configuration guides here: > > http://docs.openstack.org/kilo/config-reference/content/vmware-vmdk-driver.html > > http://docs.openstack.org/kilo/config-reference/content/vmware.html > > http://docs.openstack.org/kilo/config-reference/content/vmware-glance-backend.html > > http://docs.openstack.org/kilo/config-reference/content/networking-plugin-vmware.html > > http://docs.openstack.org/kilo/config-reference/content/networking-plugin-nsx.html > >> As far is neutron is concerned, in a scenario where there are kvm and vmware >> nodes, must I have an nsx multihypervisor solution ? >> Must I insall nsx componenents on kvm nodes (a modified ovs version for >> kvm) ? >> On vmware must I install the vmware nsx or the multihypervisor version ? > > Not necessarily. A common tactic for dealing with differing hypervisors (or > for that matter, different networking or perhaps even storage solutions) is > to deploy them into two separate regions: one for KVM and one for ESX. If > you’re not familiar with the regions concept in OpenStack, have a look here: > > http://docs.openstack.org/openstack-ops/content/scaling.html > > Essentially since these are separate API endpoints, you can have very > different capabilities in each without having to worry about mixing and > matching solutions. So essentially you might have one region with ESX > hypervisors, NSX for vSphere networking, and vSAN (or any other VMDK storage) > for storage. In the other region you might have KVM hypervisors with OVS for > networking and NFS for storage. Be aware that users must target their API > calls to one region or the other though (since they are separate endpoints), > and logical networks typically won’t stretch between regions. Regions are > often thought of as a construct for geographically diverse datacenters, but > also work well as a means of segregation within a single DC. > > At the risk of being accused of advertising on a mailer alias (=p), since you > appear to have an interest in the VMware hypervisor and network stack you may > want to have a look at the VMware Integrated OpenStack distribution: > > http://www.vmware.com/products/openstack/ > > Other distributions (including I believe Mirantis and HP) also offer support > for VMware underpinnings: > > http://docs.hpcloud.com/#commercial/GA1/1.1commercial.install-GA-esx.html > https://www.mirantis.com/partners/mirantis-technology-partners/mirantis-partners-vmware/ > > At Your Service, > > Mark T. Voelker > > > >> On Sep 21, 2015, at 1:44 PM, Ignazio Cassano >> wrote: >> >> We would like to provide cloud infrastracture multi hypervosor with sdn, >> multi tenancy, orchestration and self provisioning. >> I think openstack with kvm is a good start point but we have hunderds >> applications on vmware. >> A good compromise could be kvm and vmware with openstack but I am not sure >> it is a good idea because vmware seems to me limited in this scenario. >> >> Il giorno 21/set/2015 19:18, "Federico Michele Facca" >> ha scritto: >> there is no a proper answer to your question (expecially if you don't >> provide a bit of a context :) i.e. >> what are you trying to achieve? what are your constraints?) >> >> In general, I doubt you can do many of the things you can do with OpenStack >> using vCenter, and probably also with vCloud... (and the other way around, >> there are things you can do with vCloud, you cannot do today with OpenStack) >> on the other hand, by pluging vCenter in OpenStack you can do many things >> that only vCenter can't achieve :) >> >> >> >> On Mon, Sep 21, 2015 at 7:02 PM, Ignazio Cassano >> wrote: >> Many thanks Federico... >> So the question is: why should I use openstack with vmware ? >> Il giorno 21/set/2015 18:34, "Federico Michele Facca" >> ha scritto: >> Hi Ignazio, >> I am not the greatest expert in my team on the topic, so there my be some >> mistakes (anyone feel free to correct :)), read my reply inline >> >> On Mon, Sep