Re: [Openstack-operators] Public cloud operators group in Barcelona

[Matt Jarvis]

Hi Blair

Agree with you on a lot of that stuff, although on lifecycle management we
certainly have a bunch of tooling in place to handle scenarios like initial
creation of user environments ( basic network and router setup ), freezing
resources for non-payment, offboarding of customers after account deletion
etc. You are correct in the sense that we only get involved in lifecycle
management if someone stops paying, although we've started doing some stuff
around automatic IP address reclaiming from routers where we have customers
sitting without any usage for extended periods.

Matt

On 26 September 2016 at 09:14, Blair Bethwaite 
wrote:

> Hi Matt,
>
> I think your dot points make sense. And yes, I was thinking about Science
> Cloud overlap. I see Science Clouds as potentially sharing most or all of
> these attributes (with the notable exception being charging in terms of end
> users seeing a $ figure, showback and/or instance/cpu hour quotas might be
> used instead). However, Science Clouds are probably not accessible to the
> general public but require membership in, or sponsorship from, some
> community in order to get an account.
>
> The specific problems you mention, rather than attributes of the
> deployment models, are probably the best way to define this in a way that
> let's folks determine their interest. The biggest difference seems to be
> that commercial providers have no major interest in the lifecycle
> management of customer infrastructure, whereas for Science Clouds turning
> things off and cleaning up data is a policy issue that does not appear to
> have resulted in any common tooling yet.
>
> Cheers,
> Blair
>
> On 22 Sep 2016 6:35 PM, "Matt Jarvis" 
> wrote:
>
>> Hey Blair
>>
>> Now you've done it ! OK, I'll bite and have a go at categorising that a
>> bit :
>>
>> 1. Multi-tenant - tenants need clear separation
>> 2. Self service sign up - customers on board themselves
>> 3. Some kind of charging model in place which requires resource accounting
>> 4. API endpoints and possibly management applications presented outside
>> of your own network
>>
>> Not sure that entirely works, but best I can come up with off the top of
>> my head. For commercial public clouds we have some very specific problem
>> spaces in common - handling credit cards and personal information, fraud
>> prevention, commercial modelling for capacity planning etc. Is where you're
>> going with this that some of the science clouds share some of the
>> attributes above ?
>>
>> Matt
>>
>> On 22 September 2016 at 00:40, Blair Bethwaite > > wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Matt,
>>>
>>> At considerable risk of heading down a rabbit hole... how are you
>>> defining "public" cloud for these purposes?
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Blair
>>>
>>> On 21 September 2016 at 18:14, Matt Jarvis <
>>> matt.jar...@datacentred.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
 Given there are quite a few public cloud operators in Europe now, is
 there any interest in a public cloud group meeting as part of the ops
 meetup in Barcelona ? I already know many of you, but I think it could be
 very useful to share our experiences with a wider group.

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>>>
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>>> ~Blairo
>>>
>>
>>
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Re: [Openstack-operators] Public cloud operators group in Barcelona

[Blair Bethwaite]

Hi Matt,

I think your dot points make sense. And yes, I was thinking about Science
Cloud overlap. I see Science Clouds as potentially sharing most or all of
these attributes (with the notable exception being charging in terms of end
users seeing a $ figure, showback and/or instance/cpu hour quotas might be
used instead). However, Science Clouds are probably not accessible to the
general public but require membership in, or sponsorship from, some
community in order to get an account.

The specific problems you mention, rather than attributes of the deployment
models, are probably the best way to define this in a way that let's folks
determine their interest. The biggest difference seems to be that
commercial providers have no major interest in the lifecycle management of
customer infrastructure, whereas for Science Clouds turning things off and
cleaning up data is a policy issue that does not appear to have resulted in
any common tooling yet.

Cheers,
Blair

On 22 Sep 2016 6:35 PM, "Matt Jarvis"  wrote:

> Hey Blair
>
> Now you've done it ! OK, I'll bite and have a go at categorising that a
> bit :
>
> 1. Multi-tenant - tenants need clear separation
> 2. Self service sign up - customers on board themselves
> 3. Some kind of charging model in place which requires resource accounting
> 4. API endpoints and possibly management applications presented outside of
> your own network
>
> Not sure that entirely works, but best I can come up with off the top of
> my head. For commercial public clouds we have some very specific problem
> spaces in common - handling credit cards and personal information, fraud
> prevention, commercial modelling for capacity planning etc. Is where you're
> going with this that some of the science clouds share some of the
> attributes above ?
>
> Matt
>
> On 22 September 2016 at 00:40, Blair Bethwaite 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Matt,
>>
>> At considerable risk of heading down a rabbit hole... how are you
>> defining "public" cloud for these purposes?
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Blair
>>
>> On 21 September 2016 at 18:14, Matt Jarvis > > wrote:
>>
>>> Given there are quite a few public cloud operators in Europe now, is
>>> there any interest in a public cloud group meeting as part of the ops
>>> meetup in Barcelona ? I already know many of you, but I think it could be
>>> very useful to share our experiences with a wider group.
>>>
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>>
>>
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>> Cheers,
>> ~Blairo
>>
>
>
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Re: [Openstack-operators] Public cloud operators group in Barcelona

[Blair Bethwaite]

Hi Matt,

At considerable risk of heading down a rabbit hole... how are you defining
"public" cloud for these purposes?

Cheers,
Blair

On 21 September 2016 at 18:14, Matt Jarvis 
wrote:

> Given there are quite a few public cloud operators in Europe now, is there
> any interest in a public cloud group meeting as part of the ops meetup in
> Barcelona ? I already know many of you, but I think it could be very useful
> to share our experiences with a wider group.
>
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Re: [Openstack-operators] Public cloud operators group in Barcelona

[Matt Van Winkle]

Hey Matt,
I think the conversation would be valuable.  Historically, we have let the 
Large Deployment Team incubate Public Cloud topics because of the active 
members in that group.  That doesn’t prevent us from organizing a session 
and/or some conversation around it, though.  Put it as a suggestion on the 
etherpad and let’s see what interest develops.

Thanks!
VW

From: Matt Jarvis 
Date: Wednesday, September 21, 2016 at 3:14 AM
To: OpenStack Operators 
Subject: [Openstack-operators] Public cloud operators group in Barcelona

Given there are quite a few public cloud operators in Europe now, is there any 
interest in a public cloud group meeting as part of the ops meetup in Barcelona 
? I already know many of you, but I think it could be very useful to share our 
experiences with a wider group.

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