Re: [opensuse] X isn't the only memory hog
On Friday 15 September 2006 21:49, Felix Miata wrote: > I did some maintenance on my 10.0 server, and when done I rebooted > into runlevel 3 instead of 5 (KDE). Now 1.5 hours later, still > without X, top shows 114048K of Mem is used. No top entry by itself > is using even 1.0% of Mem, but several programs are using many lines > of 0.4, or more each. ntpd is at the top of the list at 0.8, then > hald at 0.7, cupsd at 0.7, 2 smbds at 0.7 each, then 11 instances of > httpd2-prefork at 0.5 each, 4 copies of smbmount at 0.4 each, sshd & > nmbd at 0.4 each, 2 mc at 0.4 each, and then the bash entries. That > 0.8 amounts to 41k all by itself, which seems like a lot just to keep > the clock correct. The 4 smbmount entries I understand are for the 4 > mounted shares, but 20k each seems like a lot too. The big puzzle is > httpd2-prefork. Why are there 11 entries of it (totalling 22k)? How > do servers get by on 128M or even only 64M, or are those only print > servers that can do that? Makes me wonder how Linux ever got any > development traction back when 32M of RAM was a lot, when W95 was > brand new. Is there a question in there somewhere? I never understand why people obsess over memory usage when there are no untoward symptoms in their systems. Linux manages memory very well, partly because the designers realize that free memory is wasted memory and the memory management algorithms seek to keep it all in use as much as program activity allows it to. Randall Schulz - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse] X isn't the only memory hog
I did some maintenance on my 10.0 server, and when done I rebooted into runlevel 3 instead of 5 (KDE). Now 1.5 hours later, still without X, top shows 114048K of Mem is used. No top entry by itself is using even 1.0% of Mem, but several programs are using many lines of 0.4, or more each. ntpd is at the top of the list at 0.8, then hald at 0.7, cupsd at 0.7, 2 smbds at 0.7 each, then 11 instances of httpd2-prefork at 0.5 each, 4 copies of smbmount at 0.4 each, sshd & nmbd at 0.4 each, 2 mc at 0.4 each, and then the bash entries. That 0.8 amounts to 41k all by itself, which seems like a lot just to keep the clock correct. The 4 smbmount entries I understand are for the 4 mounted shares, but 20k each seems like a lot too. The big puzzle is httpd2-prefork. Why are there 11 entries of it (totalling 22k)? How do servers get by on 128M or even only 64M, or are those only print servers that can do that? Makes me wonder how Linux ever got any development traction back when 32M of RAM was a lot, when W95 was brand new. -- "Wisdom is supreme; therefore get wisdom. Though it cost all you have, get understanding. Esteem her, and she will exalt you; embrace her, and she will honor you." Proverbs 4:7-8 NIV Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 Felix Miata *** http://mrmazda.no-ip.com/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Nvidia driver performance problems in SUSE 10.1
I just finished (mine's an FX 5500). All looks good so far. I ended up using a mixture of advice from this thread and the advice from the user "scarney" at this page: http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16581693~mode=flatHopefully it'll stick this time. Thanks to all for your help!AlanOn 9/15/06, Russbucket <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Thu September 14 2006 18:01, Alan Edwards wrote: I'm not yet familiar with the term "mesa" - can't remember seeing that> anywhere during this process. Right now I'm back to the point of > installing the nvidia drivers in my latest SUSE installation. When I> search for nvidia in YaST I am given the following list:>Alan did you get your Nvidia card running? I installed mine, unplugged old, installed new, booted up, display came up clear and without the ghosts theold card was giving me. I then went into YaStT and installed the nvidiapatch. Everything worked fine. I noticed there is a kernel update so tomorrow I'll install it and see if what the write-up said about not haveing toreinstall the drive is true.I installed a GEforce FX5200. (from EVGA)--Russ- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Fw: Driver Repository for openSUSE / SuSE Linux Enterprise (nVidia)
2006/9/15, Carl-Daniel Hailfinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: Thomas Hertweck wrote:> Siegbert Baude wrote:>> [...]>> As long as no court has said was is fact in this case and what is not,>> nobody should argue that the "GPL forces proprietary drivers to be >> thrown out". And as long as there is no illegal action, also>> distributing cannot be forbidden.>> [...][...quite a lot of text snipped...]>> I am in complete agreement with this statement! Pay a lawyer to check if your opinion matches copyright law. A courtwon't care about your opinion, only about the law.You both are very welcome to offer insurance against legal claimsby kernel developers. If GPL by law said you can't have non-free drivers, why there was a kernel developer discussion about that issue, i mean they could just ask a lawyer. _Is there a formal letter from kernel developers saying you can't have non-free drivers in your servers or your distro ?_ Normally people send a letter before take you in court.-- Marcel Mourguiart
Re: [opensuse] Nvidia driver performance problems in SUSE 10.1
On Thu September 14 2006 18:01, Alan Edwards wrote: I'm not yet familiar with the term "mesa" - can't remember seeing that > anywhere during this process. Right now I'm back to the point of > installing the nvidia drivers in my latest SUSE installation. When I > search for nvidia in YaST I am given the following list: > Alan did you get your Nvidia card running? I installed mine, unplugged old, installed new, booted up, display came up clear and without the ghosts the old card was giving me. I then went into YaStT and installed the nvidia patch. Everything worked fine. I noticed there is a kernel update so tomorrow I'll install it and see if what the write-up said about not haveing to reinstall the drive is true. I installed a GEforce FX5200. (from EVGA) -- Russ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Adding multiple IP addresses to existing NIC
On Friday 15 September 2006 4:10 pm, Bacchu, Anjan wrote: > Hi All, > > > > Thanks for any pointers. > > > On Suse 9.3(CONSOLE only, no GUI), what are the steps needed to add > multiple IP addresses to the NIC ? > > > > Previously, while using Redhat (not Fedora), we used to > > a) make a copy of ./etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth0 > > b) rename the copy to ./sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth01 > > c) edit the contents of the new file and > > d) reboot This is easier in SUSE. From /etc/sysconfig/network/ifcfg.template: ## Multiple addresses ##You can extend the variable name 'IPADDR' by any string you like (IPADDR_1, ##IPADDR_FOO, IPADDRxxx, ...) and use these variables for your IP addresses. ##If you need some additional parameters for these addresses, then just add ##the same extension to these variable names. ##IPADDR_AAA=1.2.3.4 ##NETMASK_AAA=255.0.0.0 ##BROADCAST_AAA=1.2.3.55 ##IPADDR_BBB=10.10.2.3/16 ##LABEL_BBB=BBB ##an so on ... ## ## You do not need to set a label for any address. But then you should not use ## ifconfig any longer; go and use ip. If you want to use ifconfig then omit the ## label for your main address and set a label for every additional address. So you simply need to edit the /etc/sysconfig/network/ifcfg-eth-id- file and add the addresses. I usually specify only IPADDR for each additional entry in cidr format like so: IPADDR_FOO='10.1.1.1/24' IPADDR_BAR='192.168.1.1/24' Once you save the file, there's no need for a reboot. You can do one of the following: ifdown ; ifup or rcnetwork restart Hope that helps, -- James Oakley [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse] Adding multiple IP addresses to existing NIC
Title: Message Hi All, Thanks for any pointers. On Suse 9.3(CONSOLE only, no GUI), what are the steps needed to add multiple IP addresses to the NIC ? Previously, while using Redhat (not Fedora), we used to a) make a copy of ./etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth0 b) rename the copy to ./sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth01 c) edit the contents of the new file and d) reboot and lo and behold, we had multiple IP addresses for the NIC. What are the equivalent steps for Suse 9.3 ? Thank you so much, BR, ~A
Re: [opensuse] Motherboard suggestions for Core 2 Duo running Xen
On Friday 15 September 2006 10:57 am, Michael Crider wrote: > We purchased a box with a Core 2 Duo (E6400) for the purpose of running > Windows Server 2003 on Xen. The motherboard that came in the box was an > Intel DG965RY, using the G965 chipset. We chose Suse 10.1 (we used > x86_64) as the host operating system primarily because it was the only > distro that would install. We have determined that the PATA controller > and the network adapter on the motherboard are not currently Linux > compatible (initially solved by using a Broadcom network adapter and a > USB CD-ROM drive). We then figured out that Suse chose the "VESA > Framebuffer Graphics" driver for the video adapter, which does not work > under the Xen kernel. Does anybody have a suggestion of a motherboard or > chipset that is compatible with the Xen kernel that will accept the > E6400 CPU? Asus P5LD2-VM http://www.asus.com/products4.aspx?l1=3&l2=11&l3=194&model=536&modelmenu=1 I just bought this motherboard earlier this week and everything worked out of the box on openSUSE 10.2 alpha4: - i945 graphics, with 3d support (xgl works, too) - SATA - PATA (There are two different PATA controllers. They both work) - Gigabit LAN (e1000!) - Sound works for the most part, but there were a couple of glitches. I haven't had time to delve into this, so I'm not sure exactly what the problem is yet Xen works great, too. You have to enable "Virtualization Technology" in the BIOS before you can create HVM domains, though. -- James Oakley [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Fw: Driver Repository for openSUSE / SuSE Linux Enterprise (nVidia)
Thomas Hertweck wrote: > Siegbert Baude wrote: >> [...] >> As long as no court has said was is fact in this case and what is not, >> nobody should argue that the "GPL forces proprietary drivers to be >> thrown out". And as long as there is no illegal action, also >> distributing cannot be forbidden. >> [...] [...quite a lot of text snipped...] > > I am in complete agreement with this statement! Pay a lawyer to check if your opinion matches copyright law. A court won't care about your opinion, only about the law. You both are very welcome to offer insurance against legal claims by kernel developers. The money you'll maybe lose will be your own. I bet there will be many people who want to offload the risk on you. Please be warned that as soon as you offer such an insurance, certain jurisdictions require copyright holders to sue those who infringe on their copyrights to keep the copyrights enforceable. So that insurance idea will probably die after the first court case. But again, you are very welcome to try. Regards, Carl-Daniel - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse] Motherboard suggestions for Core 2 Duo running Xen
We purchased a box with a Core 2 Duo (E6400) for the purpose of running Windows Server 2003 on Xen. The motherboard that came in the box was an Intel DG965RY, using the G965 chipset. We chose Suse 10.1 (we used x86_64) as the host operating system primarily because it was the only distro that would install. We have determined that the PATA controller and the network adapter on the motherboard are not currently Linux compatible (initially solved by using a Broadcom network adapter and a USB CD-ROM drive). We then figured out that Suse chose the "VESA Framebuffer Graphics" driver for the video adapter, which does not work under the Xen kernel. Does anybody have a suggestion of a motherboard or chipset that is compatible with the Xen kernel that will accept the E6400 CPU? Thanks. Michael - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Yast2 software install question
On Friday, 15. September 2006 12:21, Pedro Monjo wrote: > I have been searching in mailing lists and google, but with no luck. https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=156593 Bye, Steve - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Fw: Driver Repository for openSUSE / SuSE Linux Enterprise (nVidia)
On Sep 15, 06 00:33:33 +0200, Philipp Thomas wrote: > >Non-derived in a sensible manner means that the biggest part of the > >work was done without using anything of GPLed code, which for me is > >clearly the case for graphics card drivers. > > You can't really tell without actually seeing the code! You probably can from reading the SHIM layer. You can by pointing out bugs that occure in both the Windows and the Linux drivers. Though they get rare nowadays. > And as long as there are possibly viable legal claims that can't be > ignored easily, a US company like Novell will try to avoid the whole > matter as much as possible. Right. The stress is on the 'possibly'. Novell has to make sure it is on the save side. In that case it means playing by the rules the majority of the kernel developers would like to see in effect. Matthias -- Matthias Hopf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ____ __ Maxfeldstr. 5 / 90409 Nuernberg(_ | | (_ |__ [EMAIL PROTECTED] Phone +49-911-74053-715__) |_| __) |__ labs www.mshopf.de - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse] Yast2 software install question
Hi, I have upgraded to openSUSE 10.1 from SUSE 9.3. Well, in fact, I made a fresh install. Now, I want to export the package list that is in use. In previous versions of YaST (at least in SUSE 9.*), there was a menu item under the file menu in YaST Software Install that allowed to export a "*.sel" file with a list of installed packages. It had the option of both saving the file into a floppy or into a file (see http://en.opensuse.org/SDB:Creating_A_Customized_Package_Selection). I used this very often, in order to be able to rollback, while trying new packages, which I was not sure I really needed. This is useful, too, to make two computers have the same packages. However, in 10.1 (Spanish version), there is no such menu item. I have been searching in mailing lists and google, but with no luck. Could anybody help me how to get this functionality back or any workaround? Thanks in advance, Pedro - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] afs under suse 10.1 kernel 2.6.16.21-0.13-default
On Fri, Sep 15, 2006 at 11:15:12AM +0200, Mirco Norman Zachmann wrote: > Could anyone tell me if it's possible to install and run afs-client > without kernel-compiling? You just have to build the kernel module from source, not the kernel itself. Robert -- Robert Schiele Dipl.-Wirtsch.informatiker mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] "Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum sonatur." pgpvymZXX9MRE.pgp Description: PGP signature
[opensuse] afs under suse 10.1 kernel 2.6.16.21-0.13-default
I tried in several steps (rpm, compiling sources, but no kernel compiling) to install afs-client under suse 10.1 kernel 2.6.16.21-0.13-default, but failed in need to have the kernel-modul libafs.ko for the named kernel. Could anyone tell me if it's possible to install and run afs-client without kernel-compiling? smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
Re: [opensuse] Fw: Driver Repository for openSUSE / SuSE Linux Enterprise (nVidia)
On Fri, Sep 15, 2006 at 10:54:08AM +0200, Philipp Thomas wrote: > On Fri, 15 Sep 2006 09:12:54 +0200, Robert Schiele wrote: > > >Most commercial applications use the shared library version of the glibc (and > >many other libraries) and thus don't have to ship anything. You are only > >violating the license if you don't ship the object code _and_ use static > >linking. > > Oh, have I missed something? Seems I have to reread the LGPL. It says: [...] Also, you must do one of these things: a) Accompany the work with [...]; and, if the work is an executable linked with the Library, with the complete machine-readable "work that uses the Library", as object code and/or source code, so that the user can modify the Library and then relink to produce a modified executable containing the modified Library. (It is understood that the user who changes the contents of definitions files in the Library will not necessarily be able to recompile the application to use the modified definitions.) b) Use a suitable shared library mechanism for linking with the Library. A suitable mechanism is one that (1) uses at run time a copy of the library already present on the user's computer system, rather than copying library functions into the executable, and (2) will operate properly with a modified version of the library, if the user installs one, as long as the modified version is interface-compatible with the version that the work was made with. [...] Robert -- Robert Schiele Dipl.-Wirtsch.informatiker mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] "Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum sonatur." pgp5GWtvNFb5y.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [opensuse] Fw: Driver Repository for openSUSE / SuSE Linux Enterprise (nVidia)
On Fri, 15 Sep 2006 09:12:54 +0200, Robert Schiele wrote: >Most commercial applications use the shared library version of the glibc (and >many other libraries) and thus don't have to ship anything. You are only >violating the license if you don't ship the object code _and_ use static >linking. Oh, have I missed something? Seems I have to reread the LGPL. Philipp - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Fw: Driver Repository for openSUSE / SuSE Linux Enterprise (nVidia)
On Fri, Sep 15, 2006 at 12:33:33AM +0200, Philipp Thomas wrote: > against it would have to be open sourced. But vendors don't even > follow the LGPL, or have you seen any vendor of a closed source > program/library offer the object files for relinking with a newer > version of glibc? Most commercial applications use the shared library version of the glibc (and many other libraries) and thus don't have to ship anything. You are only violating the license if you don't ship the object code _and_ use static linking. Robert -- Robert Schiele Dipl.-Wirtsch.informatiker mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] "Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum sonatur." pgpYBIeD89YJQ.pgp Description: PGP signature
