Re: [opensuse] Novell Statement on Agreement.

[JB]

On Tuesday 07 November 2006 19:51, Boyd Lynn Gerber wrote: 

> Hello,
>
> At a Novell conference today the advised reading this and if any question
> post them via the links on the page.
>
> http://www.novell.com/linux/microsoft/faq_opensource.html

  Sounds like a lot of BS as usual from companies with too much money and no 
ethics. I'm glad I happened to have my hip waders on when I read the site.

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Re: [opensuse] Novell Statement on Agreement.

[Boyd Lynn Gerber]

On Tue, 7 Nov 2006, Magnus Boman wrote:
> >>> On Wed, Nov 8, 2006 at  1:39 PM, in message
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> Stefan Dirsch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On Tue, Nov 07, 2006 at 06:51:31PM - 0700, Boyd Lynn Gerber wrote:
> >> Hello,
> >>
> >> At a Novell conference today the advised reading this and if any
> question
> >> post them via the links on the page.
> >>
> >> http://www.novell.com/linux/microsoft/faq_opensource.html
> >
> > Thanks. At least a beginning. Unfortunately the feedback feature is
> > broken at the moment. :- (
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> You should know better. Employees are not allowed to ask questions :-)

The link is broken for everyone.  People in suse-linux-e and suseot are
talking about having the exact same problem.

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Re: [opensuse] Needless flaming and incompetent triaging of bug

[Rajko M]

On Monday 06 November 2006 22:58, t u wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I recently reported a bug report[1] that asked for the separation of the
> development of opensuse from Novell's due to Novell's problematic deal
> with MS. But this is not about the content of the bug report.
>
> So far, in that bug report, I have got harassed and been called stupid,
> nonsense, fuck, chicken, brainless, and so on. For some reason, I also
> got threatened that the bug might get marked as private (should that be
> scary?). The report got flamed to such a degree that I doubt whether the
> triagers are serious developers or simple fanboys.

Everybody with Novell account can access bugzilla, like you did. 
So blaming "triagers" which implies official support personell shows at leat 
lack of understanding. 

I can't access bug so I can't see what happened, but if you was persistant in 
opening bug report that is actually not technical issue, than I can imagine 
why bug was marked as private. 

You was interfering with development of openSUSE and that is for sure not what 
you want (I guess).

> So I am writing this to ask you opensuse users and developers to
> implement a code of conduct to stop 

> your bug triagers 

Not our bug triagers, as they will not allow themselves to drop to childish 
level and use bad language. 

> from offending,  
> cursing at, and swearing at your customers 

Customer is commercial term, we talk about users.   

> who are 
> reporting bugs to *make it better* (and I emphasize *better* in there,
> because I was not trolling at all -why would I wanna bash a
> community-driven project?).

The code of conduct is pretty much established and it tells that business 
decisions doesn't belong to bugzilla. Asking "for the separation of the
development of opensuse from Novell's" is asking for business decision and so 
far I understand purpose of openSUSE project that is just what you are asking 
for.  

> This experience has been incredibly disappointing.
>
> AFAIK, bugzilla isn't just to fix buggy software, but also to document,
> track, diagnose, and fix problems with development as well. 

Note that development has it's bussines and technical part. 

The bugzilla is engineering tool. 
Posting there message that has nothing to do with technical part of 
development is breaking the rules of conduct. 

> Even if it 
> is not, that is not an excuse to insult a user...
>
> I hope this email will not end up with me being called "stupid",
> "nonsense", "fuck", "troll" and so on over and over again. Instead, I
> would expect at least
> discussion on and implementation of some kind of code of conduct.

For this list code is already present
http://en.opensuse.org/Opensuse_mailing_list_netiquette
and what is missing there is explained in many other Internet sources. 

> (I would be glad if you could cc your replies to my address because I am
> not subscribed to the list.)

Sorry, I can't. 
If you posting here and want to discuss something than please be nice and 
subscribe again. 

> Thank you,
>
> Sincerely.

??

> [1] https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=218620
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Re: [opensuse] Novell Statement on Agreement.

[Magnus Boman]

>>> On Wed, Nov 8, 2006 at  1:39 PM, in message
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Stefan Dirsch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
> On Tue, Nov 07, 2006 at 06:51:31PM - 0700, Boyd Lynn Gerber wrote:
>> Hello,
>> 
>> At a Novell conference today the advised reading this and if any
question
>> post them via the links on the page.
>> 
>> http://www.novell.com/linux/microsoft/faq_opensource.html
> 
> Thanks. At least a beginning. Unfortunately the feedback feature is
> broken at the moment. :- (
> 
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> Of course I filled the email field with a valid email address.

You should know better. Employees are not allowed to ask questions :-)

> Best regards,
> Stefan

Cheers,
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Re: [opensuse] Novell Statement on Agreement.

[Stefan Dirsch]

On Tue, Nov 07, 2006 at 06:51:31PM -0700, Boyd Lynn Gerber wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> At a Novell conference today the advised reading this and if any question
> post them via the links on the page.
> 
> http://www.novell.com/linux/microsoft/faq_opensource.html

Thanks. At least a beginning. Unfortunately the feedback feature is
broken at the moment. :-(

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Of course I filled the email field with a valid email address.

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Re: [opensuse] Needless flaming and incompetent triaging of bug

[Rajko M]

On Tuesday 07 November 2006 01:21, JB wrote:

Tom, 

this is not the COLA. 

Although t u asked for something that no one can give him, specially not 
engineering that is using bugzilla, repeating insults is not the way to 
handle this. With this kind of language you make bad picture of all of us, 
not only you. 

If you can't handle this kind of posts with dignity ignore message and let 
somebody else do that. 

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Re: [opensuse] Novell MS Deal

[Marcel Mourguiart]

2006/11/8, Hugo Costelha <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
On Tuesday 07 November 2006 23:44, Marcel Mourguiart wrote:> 2006/11/7, Adrian Schröter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:> > Two weeks of vacation and now such big inbox ;)> >
> > Am Saturday 04 November 2006 14:01 schrieb Pascal Bleser:> > ...> >> > > The fact that Novell might violate the GPL if there is an IP litigation> > > case against other Linux businesses (
e.g. Redhat) and if MS wins that> > > litigation case in court, it would mean that e.g. Redhat would be> > > condemned, but not Novell.> > > This is a pretty hypothetical theory, as there hasn't been any
> > > successful IP litigation claim against the Linux kernel or other> > > opensource projects until now (that's what SCO tried to do).> >> > Just to clarify this (as a non-lawyer without official opinion ;):
> >> > 1. It is right that it is not allowed to limit the rights of GPL> >software via patents (or in any other ways).> >> > 2. It is right that this can't get workarounded by such an agreement.
> >> > But consequence is that no one (neither Novell or MS or someone else) is> > allowed to put software under GPL, if the software is protected by other> > rules (like a patent). It can not be shipped by anyone in a legal way
> > under> > this license, even not by the original author.>> Let me see if i understand your logic.>> Tomorrow, Microsoft sue Pepino Linux because according to MS, they use
> software with MS patents, like Samba or any other crazy patent they have.> According to you, Pepino software can't distribute GPL software any more ?>> If Pepino Linux decide to make an agreement with Microsoft and go to clean
> MS bathrooms every saturday in exchange MS agree to retired the sue, that's> mean Pepino Linux can't distribute GPL software any more, because the> agreement is only for Pepino Linux ?>> Know according to you, if Pepino Linux before the sue make an agreement
> with Microsoft, that says they are not going to get sue it by Microsoft> because patents, that's mean they can't distribute GPL software anymore ?>> Is this mean SUN can't distribute GPL software any more ??
>> And if the GPL software that Pepino Linux and SUN distribute are protected> _by MS patents_ and that's mean they can't distribute that's software with> the GPL license, that's mean Onion Linux can do it ?
>> Sorry for my bad english, is maybe that, but all this sound like a lot bull> shit FUDDefinitely it is because of your english. You should probably read Adriane-mail again.
Your are right, is just that get tired of  all that FUD about MS Linux, i will read more carefully next time.-- Marcel Mourguiart

[opensuse] Novell Statement on Agreement.

[Boyd Lynn Gerber]

Hello,

At a Novell conference today the advised reading this and if any question
post them via the links on the page.

http://www.novell.com/linux/microsoft/faq_opensource.html



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Re: [opensuse] Novell MS Deal

[Hugo Costelha]

On Tuesday 07 November 2006 23:44, Marcel Mourguiart wrote:
> 2006/11/7, Adrian Schröter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > Two weeks of vacation and now such big inbox ;)
> >
> > Am Saturday 04 November 2006 14:01 schrieb Pascal Bleser:
> > ...
> >
> > > The fact that Novell might violate the GPL if there is an IP litigation
> > > case against other Linux businesses (e.g. Redhat) and if MS wins that
> > > litigation case in court, it would mean that e.g. Redhat would be
> > > condemned, but not Novell.
> > > This is a pretty hypothetical theory, as there hasn't been any
> > > successful IP litigation claim against the Linux kernel or other
> > > opensource projects until now (that's what SCO tried to do).
> >
> > Just to clarify this (as a non-lawyer without official opinion ;):
> >
> > 1. It is right that it is not allowed to limit the rights of GPL
> >software via patents (or in any other ways).
> >
> > 2. It is right that this can't get workarounded by such an agreement.
> >
> > But consequence is that no one (neither Novell or MS or someone else) is
> > allowed to put software under GPL, if the software is protected by other
> > rules (like a patent). It can not be shipped by anyone in a legal way
> > under
> > this license, even not by the original author.
>
> Let me see if i understand your logic.
>
> Tomorrow, Microsoft sue Pepino Linux because according to MS, they use
> software with MS patents, like Samba or any other crazy patent they have.
> According to you, Pepino software can't distribute GPL software any more ?
>
> If Pepino Linux decide to make an agreement with Microsoft and go to clean
> MS bathrooms every saturday in exchange MS agree to retired the sue, that's
> mean Pepino Linux can't distribute GPL software any more, because the
> agreement is only for Pepino Linux ?
>
> Know according to you, if Pepino Linux before the sue make an agreement
> with Microsoft, that says they are not going to get sue it by Microsoft
> because patents, that's mean they can't distribute GPL software anymore ?
>
> Is this mean SUN can't distribute GPL software any more ??
>
> And if the GPL software that Pepino Linux and SUN distribute are protected
> _by MS patents_ and that's mean they can't distribute that's software with
> the GPL license, that's mean Onion Linux can do it ?
>
> Sorry for my bad english, is maybe that, but all this sound like a lot bull
> shit FUD

Definitely it is because of your english. You should probably read Adrian 
e-mail again.

Hugo
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Re: [opensuse] Novell MS Deal

[Marcel Mourguiart]

2006/11/7, Adrian Schröter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
Two weeks of vacation and now such big inbox ;)Am Saturday 04 November 2006 14:01 schrieb Pascal Bleser:...> The fact that Novell might violate the GPL if there is an IP litigation> case against other Linux businesses (
e.g. Redhat) and if MS wins that> litigation case in court, it would mean that e.g. Redhat would be> condemned, but not Novell.> This is a pretty hypothetical theory, as there hasn't been any> successful IP litigation claim against the Linux kernel or other
> opensource projects until now (that's what SCO tried to do).Just to clarify this (as a non-lawyer without official opinion ;):1. It is right that it is not allowed to limit the rights of GPL   software via patents (or in any other ways).
2. It is right that this can't get workarounded by such an agreement.But consequence is that no one (neither Novell or MS or someone else) isallowed to put software under GPL, if the software is protected by other
rules (like a patent). It can not be shipped by anyone in a legal way underthis license, even not by the original author.Let me see if i understand your logic.Tomorrow, Microsoft sue Pepino Linux because according to MS, they use software with MS patents, like Samba or any other crazy patent they have. According to you, Pepino software can't distribute GPL software any more ?
If Pepino Linux decide to make an agreement with Microsoft and go to clean MS bathrooms every saturday in exchange MS agree to retired the sue, that's mean Pepino Linux can't distribute GPL software any more, because the agreement is only for Pepino Linux ?
Know according to you, if Pepino Linux before the sue make an agreement with Microsoft, that says they are not going to get sue it by Microsoft because patents, that's mean they can't distribute GPL software anymore ?
Is this mean SUN can't distribute GPL software any more ??And if the GPL software that Pepino Linux and SUN distribute are protected _by MS patents_ and that's mean they can't distribute that's software with the GPL license, that's mean Onion Linux can do it ?
Sorry for my bad english, is maybe that, but all this sound like a lot bull shit FUD-- Marcel Mourguiart

Re: [opensuse] Best program for creating and editing CSS sheets

[John Meyer]

Forgotten all about that one.  Thanks.

Randall R Schulz wrote:
> On Tuesday 07 November 2006 07:09, Jan Engelhardt wrote:
>   
>>> I've found that Quanta doesn't seem to be up to snuff to editing
>>> actual CSS sheets, is there a program that is (kinda like how
>>> dreamweaver does css sheets)?
>>>   
>> How Dreamweaver does CSS: http://www.ohg.goe.ni.schule.de/format.css
>> 
>
> Clicking on that link tells me that Bluefish is another Linux 
> alternative for CSS editing ('cause that's the application launched 
> when I clicked on the .../format.css link in KMail).
>
> Have you checked out Bluefish, John?
>
>
>   
>>  -`J'
>> 
>
>
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Re: [opensuse] Problems with CIFS and fstab

[Stan Glasoe]

On Tuesday November 7 2006 11:50 am, Drew Burchett wrote:
> I am attempting to mount a Windows 2003 share to a mount point on my
> Suse Linux 10 box.  When I type:
>
> Mount -t cifs //server/share /mnt/point -o user=Me,password=mine

Should. But then you transition into the /etc/fstab file which doesn't 
behave exactly the same. The -o options to be precise...

> Everything works perfectly.  However, when I put the following entry in
> fstab:
> //server/share /mnt/point cifs user=Me,password=mine,rw 0 0

//server/share /mnt/point cifs credentials=/path/to/filename 0 0

Quoting the Samba mount.cifs man page which, if you've installed the 
samba-docs package, can be found around 
 /usr/share/doc/packages/samba/htmldocs/manpages/mount.cifs.8.html:
___
credentials=filename
specifies a file that contains a username and/or password. The format of the 
file is: 
username=value
password=value
This is preferred over having passwords in plaintext in a shared file, such 
as /etc/fstab. Be sure to protect any credentials file properly.
___

Make it read-only by the user. If this is a single user system then you 
could create the credentials file in your home directory and make it 
read-only. 

If you don't mind plaintext passwords in /etc/fstab then you need to specify 
username= and password= because 'user' means something else in /etc/fstab.

> Drew Burchett

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RE: [opensuse] Problems with CIFS and fstab

[Drew Burchett]

Yes, I just double-checked to make sure that I wasn't being an idiot and
the samba client is installed.

I'm running mount -av from the terminal while the machine is up and
running, not as part of the startup process, so the network is
definitely up and running.

Drew Burchett
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From: Jan Engelhardt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2006 12:47 PM
To: Drew Burchett
Cc: opensuse@opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [opensuse] Problems with CIFS and fstab


>I am attempting to mount a Windows 2003 share to a mount point on my
>Suse Linux 10 box.  When I type:
>
> 
>
>Mount -t cifs //server/share /mnt/point -o user=Me,password=mine
>
> 
>
>Everything works perfectly.  However, when I put the following entry in
>fstab:
>
> 
>
>//server/share /mnt/point cifs user=Me,password=mine,rw 0 0
>
> 
>
>And then run
>
> 
>
>Mount -av
>
> 
>
>I get the following output:
>
> 
>
>parsing options: rw,username=Me,password=mine
>
> 
>
>mount.cifs kernel mount options
>unc=//server\share,ip=192.168.10.15,ver=1,rw,username=Me,password=mine 
>
>retrying with upper case share name
>
> 
>
>mount.cifs kernel mount options
>unc=//server\share,ip=192.168.10.15,ver=1,rw,username=Me,password=mine 
>
>mount error 6 = No such device or address
>
>Refer to the mount.cifs(8) manual page (e.g.man mount.cifs)
>
> 
>
>Any ideas as to what I'm doing wrong here?


Wonderful spacing between the lines.




Do you actually have the samba-client package installed?




It's a common thing I have run into.




It might be possible that CIFS is not handled the same as NFS, i.e.





that it mount -av, as part of the boot process, is trying to mount it




before the network has been set up?











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RE: [opensuse] Problems with CIFS and fstab

[Drew Burchett]

After installing all patches and trying mount -t smbfs, I still get:

cli_negprot: SMB signing is mandatory and we have disabled it.
3998: protocol negotiation failed
SMB connection failed


CIFS still gives the same error.

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To: Drew Burchett
Subject: Re: [opensuse] Problems with CIFS and fstab

1.  Yes

2. It's worked for me pretty regularly.  Give it a try and see what happens. 

I know when ms clamped down on netbios for 2003, it screwed with samba pretty 
hard.  But it's been doing a pretty good job for me the last year or two.


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From: "Drew Burchett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2006 12:04:28 
To:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc:
Subject: RE: [opensuse] Problems with CIFS and fstab

Are you referring to a specific patch, or just run YOU and make sure 
everything's up to date?

Smbfs won't work because it's a Windows 2003 server that I'm attaching to.  
According to Samba's site, they haven't got the authentication protocols quite 
right yet.

Drew Burchett
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2006 12:01 PM
To: Drew Burchett
Subject: Re: [opensuse] Problems with CIFS and fstab

I guess the next thing would be to make sure you're patched.

Also, try -t smbfs


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From: "Drew Burchett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2006 11:57:48 
To:"nathan m" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc:
Subject: RE: [opensuse] Problems with CIFS and fstab

That returns:
 
 
 
mount error: could not find target server. TCP name /\server\\share not found
 
 
 
 
Drew Burchett
 
United Systems & Software
 
Ph:    (270)527-3293
 
Fax:  (270)527-3132
 
 
 
 
 

 
From: nathan m [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2006 11:54 AM
 To: Drew Burchett
 Subject: Re: [opensuse] Problems with CIFS and fstab
 
 
 
Looks like a bug, but you might want to just try \\share 
 
 (In other words, use MS-slash but with the proper escapes.)
 
 

 
 On 11/7/06, Drew Burchett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]:  > 
wrote:
 
 
 
I am attempting to mount a Windows 2003 share to a mount point on my Suse Linux 
10 box.  When I type:
 
 
 
Mount -t cifs //server/share /mnt/point -o user=Me,password=mine
 
 
 
Everything works perfectly.  However, when I put the following entry in fstab:
 
 
 
//server/share /mnt/point cifs user=Me,password=mine,rw 0 0
 
 
 
And then run
 
 
 
Mount -av
 
 
 
I get the following output:
 
 
 
parsing options: rw,username=Me,password=mine
 
 
 
mount.cifs kernel mount options unc=//server\share,ip=  
MailScanner has detected a possible fraud attempt from "192.168.10.15" claiming 
to be MailScanner warning: numerical links are often malicious: 
192.168.10.15,ver=1,rw,username=Me,password=mine 
 
retrying with upper case share name
 
 
 
mount.cifs kernel mount options unc=//server\share,ip=  
MailScanner has detected a possible fraud attempt from "192.168.10.15" claiming 
to be MailScanner warning: numerical links are often malicious: 
192.168.10.15,ver=1,rw,username=Me,password=mine 
 
mount error 6 = No such device or address
 
Refer to the mount.cifs(8) manual page (e.g.man mount.cifs)
 
 
 
Any ideas as to what I'm doing wrong here?
 
 
 
 
 
Drew Burchett
 
United Systems & Software
 
Ph:    (270)527-3293
 
Fax:  (270)527-3132
 
 
 

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Re: [opensuse] Locale time es_PE (GMT +5)

[Carlos E. R.]

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The Tuesday 2006-11-07 at 10:56 -0500, Luis Vicente Castillo Corbella wrote:

> how get correct time in opensuse, mi locale are es_PE for Perù, (gmt +5) but
> in opensuse this time not setting correctly, only get gmt hour not mi locale
> hour.

I think you have to select "America/Lima" for your time zone in Yast. I 
wonder if the file is correct/complete with only 156 bytes, though.


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Re: [opensuse] Best program for creating and editing CSS sheets

[Jan Engelhardt]

>I'm sure he meant to mock the user. I'm also sure that Dreamweaver
>can produce valid CSS.

...to mock DW.


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Re: [opensuse] Problems with CIFS and fstab

[Jan Engelhardt]

>I am attempting to mount a Windows 2003 share to a mount point on my
>Suse Linux 10 box.  When I type:
>
> 
>
>Mount -t cifs //server/share /mnt/point -o user=Me,password=mine
>
> 
>
>Everything works perfectly.  However, when I put the following entry in
>fstab:
>
> 
>
>//server/share /mnt/point cifs user=Me,password=mine,rw 0 0
>
> 
>
>And then run
>
> 
>
>Mount -av
>
> 
>
>I get the following output:
>
> 
>
>parsing options: rw,username=Me,password=mine
>
> 
>
>mount.cifs kernel mount options
>unc=//server\share,ip=192.168.10.15,ver=1,rw,username=Me,password=mine 
>
>retrying with upper case share name
>
> 
>
>mount.cifs kernel mount options
>unc=//server\share,ip=192.168.10.15,ver=1,rw,username=Me,password=mine 
>
>mount error 6 = No such device or address
>
>Refer to the mount.cifs(8) manual page (e.g.man mount.cifs)
>
> 
>
>Any ideas as to what I'm doing wrong here?


Wonderful spacing between the lines.




Do you actually have the samba-client package installed?




It's a common thing I have run into.




It might be possible that CIFS is not handled the same as NFS, i.e.





that it mount -av, as part of the boot process, is trying to mount it




before the network has been set up?











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Re: [opensuse] Best program for creating and editing CSS sheets

[Peter Wiersig]

On Tue, Nov 07, 2006 at 09:18:45AM -0800, Randall R Schulz wrote:
> On Tuesday 07 November 2006 09:12, Peter Wiersig wrote:
> > On Tue, Nov 07, 2006 at 07:25:01AM -0800, Randall R Schulz wrote:
> > > On Tuesday 07 November 2006 07:09, Jan Engelhardt wrote:
> > > > >I've found that Quanta doesn't seem to be up to snuff to editing
> > > > > actual CSS sheets, is there a program that is (kinda like how
> > > > > dreamweaver does css sheets)?
> > > >
> > > > How Dreamweaver does CSS:
> > > > http://www.ohg.goe.ni.schule.de/format.css
> > >
> > > Clicking on that link tells me that Bluefish is another Linux
> > > alternative for CSS editing ('cause that's the application launched
> > > when I clicked on the .../format.css link in KMail).
> >
> > No, he meant the dreamweaver user saved CSS stylerules as 
> > formatted html.
> 
> Are you sure?

I'm sure he meant to mock the user. I'm also sure that Dreamweaver
can produce valid CSS.

Peter
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RE: [opensuse] Problems with CIFS and fstab

[Drew Burchett]

Are you referring to a specific patch, or just run YOU and make sure 
everything's up to date?

Smbfs won't work because it's a Windows 2003 server that I'm attaching to.  
According to Samba's site, they haven't got the authentication protocols quite 
right yet.

Drew Burchett
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I guess the next thing would be to make sure you're patched.

Also, try -t smbfs


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From: "Drew Burchett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2006 11:57:48 
To:"nathan m" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc:
Subject: RE: [opensuse] Problems with CIFS and fstab

That returns:
 
 
 
mount error: could not find target server. TCP name /\server\\share not found
 
 
 
 
Drew Burchett
 
United Systems & Software
 
Ph:    (270)527-3293
 
Fax:  (270)527-3132
 
 
 
 
 

 
From: nathan m [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2006 11:54 AM
 To: Drew Burchett
 Subject: Re: [opensuse] Problems with CIFS and fstab
 
 
 
Looks like a bug, but you might want to just try \\share 
 
 (In other words, use MS-slash but with the proper escapes.)
 
 

 
 On 11/7/06, Drew Burchett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]:  > 
wrote:
 
 
 
I am attempting to mount a Windows 2003 share to a mount point on my Suse Linux 
10 box.  When I type:
 
 
 
Mount -t cifs //server/share /mnt/point -o user=Me,password=mine
 
 
 
Everything works perfectly.  However, when I put the following entry in fstab:
 
 
 
//server/share /mnt/point cifs user=Me,password=mine,rw 0 0
 
 
 
And then run
 
 
 
Mount -av
 
 
 
I get the following output:
 
 
 
parsing options: rw,username=Me,password=mine
 
 
 
mount.cifs kernel mount options unc=//server\share,ip=  
MailScanner has detected a possible fraud attempt from "192.168.10.15" claiming 
to be MailScanner warning: numerical links are often malicious: 
192.168.10.15,ver=1,rw,username=Me,password=mine 
 
retrying with upper case share name
 
 
 
mount.cifs kernel mount options unc=//server\share,ip=  
MailScanner has detected a possible fraud attempt from "192.168.10.15" claiming 
to be MailScanner warning: numerical links are often malicious: 
192.168.10.15,ver=1,rw,username=Me,password=mine 
 
mount error 6 = No such device or address
 
Refer to the mount.cifs(8) manual page (e.g.man mount.cifs)
 
 
 
Any ideas as to what I'm doing wrong here?
 
 
 
 
 
Drew Burchett
 
United Systems & Software
 
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Fax:  (270)527-3132
 
 
 

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RE: [opensuse] Problems with CIFS and fstab

[Drew Burchett]

That returns:

 

mount error: could not find target server.
TCP name /\server\\share not found

 



Drew Burchett

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11:54 AM
To: Drew Burchett
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with CIFS and fstab



 

Looks like a bug, but you
might want to just try \\share 

(In other words, use MS-slash but with the proper escapes.)





On 11/7/06, Drew
Burchett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:





I
am attempting to mount a Windows 2003 share to a mount point on my Suse Linux
10 box.  When I type:

 

Mount
–t cifs //server/share /mnt/point –o user=Me,password=mine

 

Everything
works perfectly.  However, when I put the following entry in fstab:

 

//server/share
/mnt/point cifs user=Me,password=mine,rw 0 0

 

And
then run

 

Mount
–av

 

I
get the following output:

 

parsing
options: rw,username=Me,password=mine

 

mount.cifs
kernel mount options unc=//server\share,ip=MailScanner has detected a possible fraud attempt from "192.168.10.15" claiming to be MailScanner
warning: numerical links are often malicious: 192.168.10.15,ver=1,rw,username=Me,password=mine


retrying
with upper case share name

 

mount.cifs
kernel mount options unc=//server\share,ip=MailScanner has detected a possible fraud attempt from "192.168.10.15" claiming to be MailScanner
warning: numerical links are often malicious: 192.168.10.15,ver=1,rw,username=Me,password=mine


mount
error 6 = No such device or address

Refer
to the mount.cifs(8) manual page (e.g.man mount.cifs)

 

Any
ideas as to what I'm doing wrong here?

 

 

Drew
Burchett

United
Systems & Software

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(270)527-3293

Fax: 
(270)527-3132

 






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[opensuse] Problems with CIFS and fstab

[Drew Burchett]

I am attempting to mount a Windows 2003 share to a mount
point on my Suse Linux 10 box.  When I type:

 

Mount –t cifs //server/share /mnt/point –o
user=Me,password=mine

 

Everything works perfectly.  However, when I put the
following entry in fstab:

 

//server/share /mnt/point cifs user=Me,password=mine,rw 0 0

 

And then run

 

Mount –av

 

I get the following output:

 

parsing options: rw,username=Me,password=mine

 

mount.cifs kernel mount options
unc=//server\share,ip=192.168.10.15,ver=1,rw,username=Me,password=mine 

retrying with upper case share name

 

mount.cifs kernel mount options unc=//server\share,ip=192.168.10.15,ver=1,rw,username=Me,password=mine


mount error 6 = No such device or address

Refer to the mount.cifs(8) manual page (e.g.man mount.cifs)

 

Any ideas as to what I’m doing wrong here?

 

 

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Re: [opensuse] Best program for creating and editing CSS sheets

[Randall R Schulz]

On Tuesday 07 November 2006 09:12, Peter Wiersig wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 07, 2006 at 07:25:01AM -0800, Randall R Schulz wrote:
> > On Tuesday 07 November 2006 07:09, Jan Engelhardt wrote:
> > > >I've found that Quanta doesn't seem to be up to snuff to editing
> > > > actual CSS sheets, is there a program that is (kinda like how
> > > > dreamweaver does css sheets)?
> > >
> > > How Dreamweaver does CSS:
> > > http://www.ohg.goe.ni.schule.de/format.css
> >
> > Clicking on that link tells me that Bluefish is another Linux
> > alternative for CSS editing ('cause that's the application launched
> > when I clicked on the .../format.css link in KMail).
>
> No, he meant the dreamweaver user saved CSS stylerules as 
> formatted html.

Are you sure? It looked to me as though he was just looking for a CSS 
editor with some kind of syntax-specific, possibly WYSIWYG (whatever 
that means for meta-content such as CSS). He did say "actual CSS 
sheets." I don't know how DreamWeaver presents them, but I'm sure it 
suitably fancy...


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Re: [opensuse] Best program for creating and editing CSS sheets

[Peter Wiersig]

On Tue, Nov 07, 2006 at 07:25:01AM -0800, Randall R Schulz wrote:
> On Tuesday 07 November 2006 07:09, Jan Engelhardt wrote:
> > >I've found that Quanta doesn't seem to be up to snuff to editing
> > > actual CSS sheets, is there a program that is (kinda like how
> > > dreamweaver does css sheets)?
> >
> > How Dreamweaver does CSS: http://www.ohg.goe.ni.schule.de/format.css
> 
> Clicking on that link tells me that Bluefish is another Linux 
> alternative for CSS editing ('cause that's the application launched 
> when I clicked on the .../format.css link in KMail).

No, he meant the dreamweaver user saved CSS stylerules as 
formatted html.

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Re: [opensuse] Best program for creating and editing CSS sheets

[Peter Wiersig]

On Tue, Nov 07, 2006 at 05:08:05AM -0700, John Meyer wrote:
> I've found that Quanta doesn't seem to be up to snuff to editing
> actual CSS sheets, is there a program that is

Huh? How do you want to edit stylerules? Quanta offers a
dialog-based style editor for the style attribute for HTML
documents.

It's not in my Quanta+ documentation how to edit Stylesheets, but
I figured out:

Open your html document, "Tools->Document Properties", enter a
stylesheet filename in "Link CSS stylesheet".

Navigate to the inserted "" element in the  Section of
your document. Highlight the filename without quotes, select "Open
..." from the context menu.

Now your computer may complain that the file doesn't exist. I use
"touch yadda.css" to create blank files.

In your toolbar should now only be one tab "CSS". It has 2
buttons, a color picker and a "Insert CSS" button.

For a new rule click on "Insert CSS", you'll then be greeted with
a dialog where you can see all rules grouped by selector type. 

Use any "Add"  button to add a rule for the enterd id or class or
the selected HTML element. If you enter a id or class don't forget
the syntax rules, i.e. prepend with # or '.'.

then you are in the same dialog as for inline styles, the
shorthand properties don't take any interaction, but if you expand
and select a property leaf entry, the right hand side of the
dialog gets interesting.

You can select any predefined values, pick colors, enter text for
the selected property.


To edit rules from the first opened dialog double click the
entries.


If you edit inline CSS the dialog embeds a live preview.


further resources:
http://kdewebdev.org/

look for the quanta-users mailinglist there.

> (kinda like how dreamweaver does css sheets)?

I have no idea how Dreamweaver would do that. Perhaps you can
explain it a bit better.

Peter
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Re: [opensuse] Needless flaming and incompetent triaging of bug

[T. Lodewick]

JB wrote:
> On Monday 06 November 2006 22:58, t u wrote: 
> 
>> Hi,
>>
>> I recently reported a bug report[1] that asked for the separation of the
>> development of opensuse from Novell's due to Novell's problematic deal
>> with MS. But this is not about the content of the bug report.
> 
>   It wasn't a bug report. You *were* trolling, but don't seem to have the 
> courage to admit it.

as allways: there atr a lof of views about trolling, what that mean and
at witch time someone is doing it. my view isn't the same then yours (
even I think a bugreport wasn't the best way for the OP ). btw: is troll
or trolling also an englisch knowen word ?

> 
>> So far, in that bug report, I have got harassed and been called stupid,
> 
>   They were right.

again: there are diffs: its your view. now mine. so if you are on a
public list, make clear that this is what you are thinking, not
automatic the list or the community.

> 
>> nonsense, fuck, chicken, brainless, and so on.
> 
>   They were still right.

and ones agian: your view. you are not speeking for me. and there was no
time where the comminty has choosen you or any otherone as speaker for them.
btw: why isn't there any ?

> 
>> For some reason, I also 
>> got threatened that the bug might get marked as private (should that be
>> scary?). The report got flamed to such a degree that I doubt whether the
>> triagers are serious developers or simple fanboys.
> 
>   They're developers waiting for *REAL* bug reports to work on
thats right.


> , you 'tard!

who do you think you are that you can talk to other that way, and spec.
on a public list ? there are ( spoken and unspoken ) rules about how to
talk and act against others. why do you think you don't have to respect
the rules, and spec. other on the list ?

> 
>   
> 

I think also as others that open and reopen a bugreport wasn't a good
choice. so at this point we are on the same side. but why on all on
earth do you ( and other that have commend the bugreport ) think you can
act that way ? for me _you_ are acting like a troll, and at this point I
'm ashame about the fact the you and I share the same list and the same
community.
or, as I have already said ones a time: there are people that are only
names on a list in my view; they are not part of a comminity. members of
a comminity act more friendly. aspecialy when there is a discussion on
one or more points.

will be nice if some people think a few more minutes before they act or
answer a post.

thanks for your listening.

JBScout aka Tom



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[opensuse] Locale time es_PE (GMT +5)

[Luis Vicente Castillo Corbella]

how get correct time in opensuse, mi locale are es_PE for Perù, (gmt +5) 
but in opensuse this time not setting correctly, only get gmt hour not 
mi locale hour.



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Re: [opensuse] Best program for creating and editing CSS sheets

[Randall R Schulz]

On Tuesday 07 November 2006 07:09, Jan Engelhardt wrote:
> >I've found that Quanta doesn't seem to be up to snuff to editing
> > actual CSS sheets, is there a program that is (kinda like how
> > dreamweaver does css sheets)?
>
> How Dreamweaver does CSS: http://www.ohg.goe.ni.schule.de/format.css

Clicking on that link tells me that Bluefish is another Linux 
alternative for CSS editing ('cause that's the application launched 
when I clicked on the .../format.css link in KMail).

Have you checked out Bluefish, John?


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Re: [opensuse] Best program for creating and editing CSS sheets

[Jan Engelhardt]

>
>I've found that Quanta doesn't seem to be up to snuff to editing actual
>CSS sheets, is there a program that is (kinda like how dreamweaver does
>css sheets)?

How Dreamweaver does CSS: http://www.ohg.goe.ni.schule.de/format.css


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Re: [opensuse] Novell MS Deal

[Adrian Schröter]

Two weeks of vacation and now such big inbox ;)

Am Saturday 04 November 2006 14:01 schrieb Pascal Bleser:
...
> The fact that Novell might violate the GPL if there is an IP litigation
> case against other Linux businesses (e.g. Redhat) and if MS wins that
> litigation case in court, it would mean that e.g. Redhat would be
> condemned, but not Novell.
> This is a pretty hypothetical theory, as there hasn't been any
> successful IP litigation claim against the Linux kernel or other
> opensource projects until now (that's what SCO tried to do).

Just to clarify this (as a non-lawyer without official opinion ;):

1. It is right that it is not allowed to limit the rights of GPL
   software via patents (or in any other ways).

2. It is right that this can't get workarounded by such an agreement.

But consequence is that no one (neither Novell or MS or someone else) is 
allowed to put software under GPL, if the software is protected by other 
rules (like a patent). It can not be shipped by anyone in a legal way under 
this license, even not by the original author.

So as long as there are patents and you consider that they apply and the lead 
to an additional limition, you can not use GPL (and other licenses) for this 
software.

There can be of course software under some other license where this part of 
agreement is helpfull.

(Btw, this may sound like GPL is a bad license, but the reason for it is that 
 it guarantees that you really can reuse the code without any other 
 limitations. So it is definitive a good rule for the open source world.)

> And without the Novell/MS agreement, the situation would have been
> exactly the same, except that SLED/SLES customers would have been a
> potential target as well.

right

bye
adrian

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[opensuse] openSuSE 10.2 beta1 vs. GPU

[Kerti Balázs Gábor]

Hello,

My notebooks (www.linuxlap.hu/notebook.html) mainboard based GPU (via)
is not supported by openSuSE 10.2 beta1. I do not know what is wrong
with the GPU, because other Linux distribution, like Ubuntu hand GPU
well, [EMAIL PROTECTED] with frame buffer, openSuSE10.2 beta1 yast2 makes
error, "the video card using without framebuffer", and I can not change
colour bit, and  when I am crolling in the netbrowser (firefox2), the
sreen is rending. Cause does not have rigt Xorg modul for VIA GPU, I
think...

What will the solution?

Balazs

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Re: [opensuse] Magnatune support in amarok

[Peter Wiersig]

On Tue, Nov 07, 2006 at 02:50:51AM +0100, Carlos E. R. wrote:
> 
> A link explaining it, perhaps?

http://magnatunes.com/

looks very interesting, from a buyers as well as from an artists
POV.

Peter
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Re: [opensuse] Magnatune support in amarok

[Andreas]

Le mardi 7 novembre 2006 02:58, Stephan Binner a écrit :
> I did not say that it is misused. We don't know if the developer has the
> ability to view the transaction history (including credit card information)
> or if/how he is participating in the sales made via this features. Because
> of these open questions the SUSE build of Amarok disables Magnatune
> integration.

Thank you for clarifying the situation. I guess I should have not entered my 
credit card information without any security assurances in the first place. I 
will take it as a reminder not to be overly trustful when it comes to 
monetary transcations.

Gruß
Andreas
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[opensuse] Best program for creating and editing CSS sheets

[John Meyer]

I've found that Quanta doesn't seem to be up to snuff to editing actual
CSS sheets, is there a program that is (kinda like how dreamweaver does
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Re: [opensuse] Magnatune support in amarok

[Stephan Binner]

On Tuesday, 7. November 2006 03:08, Andreas wrote:

> I used the magnatune payment options already, not knowing that the
> information is misused and I have to press charges now.

I did not say that it is misused. We don't know if the developer has the 
ability to view the transaction history (including credit card information)
or if/how he is participating in the sales made via this features. Because of
these open questions the SUSE build of Amarok disables Magnatune integration.

Bye,
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