[opensuse-factory] 10.3a4 software management :(

2007-05-27 Thread Volker Kuhlmann
Yast-software management:

Icon Mines is Novel customer registration.
It then proceeds to go through the whole hog of loading the package
database, while all the time there is no abort button.

Icon Login Screen Setup is automatic online update config.
Both their bubblehelp shows a random dictionary word too.

Every yast module there exits with a window opening with title
xmessage, the window containing a few straight vertical lines (on the
left side when it's dragged bigger).

Icon Boot gives add-on product media, it also loads the package
database before doing anything useful, like showing an abort button.

(During installation:) The yast boot loader module is still buggy. For
root = /dev/md2 it suggests to put the boot loader on the root partition
- I doubt that works. WHen I tick MBR, both MBR and root partition are
ticked, so I think why not and finish out of that module. Being a
suspicious burnt child by now, I enter back in - only root partition
is ticked. I tick MBR, and untick root partition. This times yast gets
the message.

Volker

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[opensuse-factory] Ark Zipper

2007-05-27 Thread Donn Washburn

Hey SuSE;

After about 3 hours of downloading that sorry Ark Zipper unzipped a 
file.iso (that is nice, to see whats in the file.iso).  Guess what?  It 
would not save it or do any useful thing with it (like burn to a CD).  I 
even tried lying to it that the file.iso was to be tarred to the HD.  It 
of course failed and up came a bug report.  After filling and sending it 
the wonderful Ark Zipper disappeared. Gone!  with no trace of my 3 hour 
download file.iso


Granted it started with my mistake to not catch the unzip or save 
message coming from Firefox.  Never the less, it needs a just save as 
function.


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Re: [opensuse-factory] SLP daemon

2007-05-27 Thread Michael Schroeder
On Sun, May 27, 2007 at 05:37:23PM +1200, Volker Kuhlmann wrote:
 tcpdump shows on the SLP server box:
 
 # tcpdump -a -v -i eth0 port 427
 tcpdump: listening on eth0, link-type EN10MB (Ethernet), capture size 96 bytes
 17:17:27.053047 IP (tos 0x0, ttl   1, id 0, offset 0, flags [DF], proto: UDP 
 (17), length: 161) linux1.site.filenet-tms  239.255.255.253.svrloc: UDP, 
 length 133
 17:17:27.549483 IP (tos 0x0, ttl   1, id 0, offset 0, flags [DF], proto: UDP 
 (17), length: 161) linux1.site.filenet-tms  239.255.255.253.svrloc: UDP, 
 length 133
 17:17:28.049505 IP (tos 0x0, ttl   1, id 0, offset 0, flags [DF], proto: UDP 
 (17), length: 161) linux1.site.filenet-tms  239.255.255.253.svrloc: UDP, 
 length 133
 
 So the SLP server never sends a reply. Why?

Hard too tell without knowning the requests. Try

tcpdump -x -s 1024 -v -i eth0 port 427

Cheers,
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[opensuse-factory] Yast Heartbeat config?

2007-05-27 Thread Birger Kollstrand
Hi,

I've been looking around for configuring a HA service in SuSE and found a 
great article linked from openSUES services. there it is referred to Yast2 
heartbeat.

I can not find the module. Not on the default media nor in the build service?

Is this not part of openSUSE, only a proprietary module for SLES? If so , 
that's a shame as I would like to try it out on my test machines prior to 
implementing at work. If it is SLES only then the referal from the openSUSE 
wiki article to the SLES documentation should be removed as it is not 
possible to follow as it is now. 
(http://en.opensuse.org/Configuration#High_Availability)

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Re: [opensuse-factory] Yast Heartbeat config?

2007-05-27 Thread Pascal Bleser
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Birger Kollstrand wrote:
 I've been looking around for configuring a HA service in SuSE and found a 
 great article linked from openSUES services. there it is referred to Yast2 
 heartbeat.
 I can not find the module. Not on the default media nor in the build service?
 Is this not part of openSUSE, only a proprietary module for SLES?

IIRC, it is, indeed, only shipped with SLES.

 If so, that's a shame as I would like to try it out on my test
 machines prior to  implementing at work.

Note that heartbeat is ridiculously easy to set up, you just need to
edit a single configuration file and it's pretty straightforward (if you
understand HA clustering basics, which you'll need anyway).
Documentation is available on http://linux-ha.org
Specifically:
http://linux-ha.org/ha.cf
http://linux-ha.org/haresources

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Re: [opensuse] Small database program?

2007-05-27 Thread Pueblo Native
James Knott wrote:
 I only meant that for a simple database, a spreadsheet suffices.

   

That should teach me to respond to the right e-mail.  Acutally, I was
trying to ask Nick what his definition of simple was: functionality or
set up time.



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Re: [opensuse] Urge creation of a standard documented way to share a directory [WAS Re: Wanna umask inhereted from parent directory]

2007-05-27 Thread Fajar Priyanto
On Sunday 27 May 2007 11:40, Darryl Gregorash wrote:
 Good explanation (it must be, since I was able to understand it :-) )
 Following this thread, I think I saved myself a lot of grief trying to
 read manpages, etc.

 Would you care to document this now on the opensuse Wiki? :-)

http://en.opensuse.org/User_talk:Fajarpri
Pls expand/correct it, as I'm very new on how to use the wiki.
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[opensuse] clean /tmp

2007-05-27 Thread Fazer
Hellow 

As I noticed my free space after one year using SUSE is really small i noticed 
that directories whitch was almost empty after instalation have some size is 
tehere an easy way to clean it

/var 543MB
/tmp 634MB

or if there is some other places where I can find useless files to delete

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Re: [opensuse] Publisher alternatives

2007-05-27 Thread jdd

Pueblo Native wrote:


I'll take a look at it, though with all the cross over between
traditional DTP and office software, you wonder if you can even draw
that line anymore.


think at what make these apps different. I did some years ago and 
found only one: the ability to have a text span several boxes


and this can be achieved in OpenOffice .org.

It's not obvious and I don't remember the recipe, but it can be done...

jdd

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Re: [opensuse] clean /tmp

2007-05-27 Thread Richard Bos
Op Sunday 27 May 2007 11:11:16 schreef Fazer:
 As I noticed my free space after one year using SUSE is really small i
 noticed that directories whitch was almost empty after instalation have
 some size is tehere an easy way to clean it

 /var 543MB
 /tmp 634MB

 or if there is some other places where I can find useless files to delete

yast - /etc/sysconfig editor - system - cron - *dirs to clear etc


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[opensuse] How to Download openSUSE 10.0 mini iso cd

2007-05-27 Thread Amr M. Salah

 Hello every body , 

I wish if any body can help me ,  I have openSUSE 10.0 and I want to know
How to Download “ openSUSE 10.0 mini iso cd “ to make a system rescue 

I need this very badly, please if any one can help me please send me a link 

Thanks a lot 


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Re: [opensuse] How to Download openSUSE 10.0 mini iso cd

2007-05-27 Thread jdd

Amr M. Salah wrote:
 Hello every body , 


I wish if any body can help me ,  I have openSUSE 10.0 and I want to know
How to Download  openSUSE 10.0 mini iso cd  to make a system rescue 

I need this very badly, please if any one can help me please send me a link 


any first openSUSE cd include a rescue system
jdd


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RE: [opensuse] How to Download openSUSE 10.0 mini iso cd

2007-05-27 Thread Amr M. Salah
Thanks dear for your fast replay , I'll try this now 

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Subject: Re: [opensuse] How to Download openSUSE 10.0 mini iso cd

Amr M. Salah wrote:
  Hello every body , 
 
 I wish if any body can help me ,  I have openSUSE 10.0 and I want to know
 How to Download  openSUSE 10.0 mini iso cd  to make a system rescue 
 
 I need this very badly, please if any one can help me please send me a
link 

any first openSUSE cd include a rescue system
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Re: [opensuse] Undelete

2007-05-27 Thread Thomas Hertweck

Randall R Schulz wrote:
 [...]
 
 People have been known to replace the rm command with a script or 
 shell procedure that moves the target files to a trash directory 
 instead of deleting them outright.
 
 It still doesn't help with, e.g, and application's Save as... function 
 that overwrites an existing file, but it's something.

That's why you should have a backup of important files. If the file
is deleted or the disk crashes or whatever and a user does not have
a backup, then the user can only blame himself for this trouble.
With all these large external USB disks available nowadays, it
shouldn't be a problem to make regular backups even for home systems.
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Re: [opensuse] Keyboard layouts gone

2007-05-27 Thread SuSE Linux
Jan Karjalainen wrote:
 ken wrote:
   
 On 05/26/2007 08:48 AM somebody named Jan Karjalainen wrote:
   
 
 ken wrote:
 
   
 On 05/26/2007 08:01 AM somebody named Jan Karjalainen wrote:
   
   
 
 All the keyboard layouts in my openSUSE 10.2 are gone.
 No special characters or keys work, and Keyboard Layout in YaST shows no
 layouts available.
 How do I get the keyboard layouts back?

 /J

 
 
   
 Assuming your using a PC, do you have any files or directories under
 /usr/share/kbd/keymaps/i386/?



   
   
 
 ls /usr/share/kbd/keymaps/i386/ gives:
 azerty  dvorak  fgGIod  include  qwerty  qwertz

 The qwerty directory contains the keymap I need (sv-latin1.map.gz).
 
   
 Okay.  So then what happens when you run (as root)

 /etc/init.d/kbd status

 and

 /etc/init.d/kbd start

 ??


   
 
 /etc/init.d/kbd status
 Keymap /usr/share/kbd/keymaps/i386/qwerty/sv-latin1.map.gz is loaded.

 /etc/init.d/kbd start
 This gives not output.

 The YaST Keyboard Layout app is completely empty of any layouts and options...
 Typing of international and special characters won't work, especially
 those that require the Alt key.


   
Anyone?




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[opensuse] postmap problem

2007-05-27 Thread Patrick Shanahan

I made an adjustment to /etc/aliases yesterday and then ran postmap to
update the aliases.db and reloaded postfix.  Got many errors:

postmap: warning: /etc/aliases, line 16: record is in key: value format; is 
this an alias file?

and now no mail is being routed according to aliases, ie: mail to
nobody *is* going to nobody.

I cannot see from the man pages what has changed as I have done this
operation many times in the last 10-15 years.  

What am I doing wrong?

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[opensuse] postmap problem [SOLVED]

2007-05-27 Thread Patrick Shanahan
I made an adjustment to /etc/aliases yesterday and then ran postmap to
update the aliases.db and reloaded postfix.  Got many errors:

postmap: warning: /etc/aliases, line 16: record is in key: value format; is 
this an alias file?

and now no mail is being routed according to aliases, ie: mail to
nobody *is* going to nobody.

I cannot see from the man pages what has changed as I have done this
operation many times in the last 10-15 years.  

What am I doing wrong?

tks,

NEVERMIND, found my problem, and it was staring me in the face in the
/etc/aliases text file.  Correct command is newaliases.

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Re: [opensuse] Undelete

2007-05-27 Thread jdd
It still doesn't help with, e.g, and application's Save as... function 
that overwrites an existing file, but it's something.


in this situation, no file can be retreived by no system (even 
windows). A text file can be partially retrieved, but only by a 
sector/sector search, and only if by luck the new file don't use all 
the all file places :-(


if the file is extremely valuable( hold your Swiss safe key :-), you 
can ask specialized offices that can read marginal magnetic fields, 
but probably very expensive :-(


jdd

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Re: [opensuse] Undelete

2007-05-27 Thread jfweber
On Sun May 27 2007, Thomas Hertweck scratched these words onto a coconut 
shell, hoping for an answer:
 Randall R Schulz wrote:
  [...]
 
  People have been known to replace the rm command with a script or
  shell procedure that moves the target files to a trash directory
  instead of deleting them outright.
 
  It still doesn't help with, e.g, and application's Save as...
  function that overwrites an existing file, but it's something.

 That's why you should have a backup of important files. If the file
 is deleted or the disk crashes or whatever and a user does not have
 a backup, then the user can only blame himself for this trouble.
 With all these large external USB disks available nowadays, it
 shouldn't be a problem to make regular backups even for home systems.

No kidding, the problem, esp. for home users seems to be they forget 
to do a backup on week, then they let it slide , for another week... 
and the next thing you know,some weird hardware, or software update 
even, somehow trashes a partition w/ the family pictures, or his 
business papers in.. and . well, although no one has proved a 
murder was caused by this behaviour... it's not unlikely that 
some rage killings may just be caused this way... 

 A person discovers their important files have been lost somehow , and 
as they spin themselves into a fit of rage, the other person in their 
life gets too close, too soon..  a letter opener appears in a hand... 
and we cut to...sounds of Sirens ... the police arriving to see what 
the fuss is about, and some lawyer thinks up a novel defence.i.e.: the 
computer made them do it.. 

Sigh 


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Re: [opensuse] Small database program?

2007-05-27 Thread Nick Zentena
On Saturday 26 May 2007 19:29, Pueblo Native wrote:


 Well, we got a pretty good list of database programs here.
 The only thing I would ask you is what do you mean by simple.  Do you
 mean all the fields set up and you don't have to do much work (tellico
 or a small niche database) or one with few bells and whistles (Calc
 spreadsheet)?


I think Openoffice Base is going to work for me. I've had to redo 
things a 
few times. But I'm getting closer to something that does what I need. It 
would have been easier if I kept my eyes open the first time but redoing it 
hasn't hurt. We'll so how well things go when I get serious about inputting 
the data. So far I've only added about five records.

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Re: [opensuse] Undelete

2007-05-27 Thread Carlos E. R.
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The Sunday 2007-05-27 at 14:45 +0200, jdd wrote:

   It still doesn't help with, e.g, and application's Save as... function
   that overwrites an existing file, but it's something.
 
 in this situation, no file can be retreived by no system (even windows). 

That's not completely true... old Vax VMS file names had also a version 
number. You could have file.ext;1, ...;2, etc, so you could go back 
and retrieve an older version of the file you were working with. Nice 
feature, except if the admin had limited the number of versions to two or 
three... which my teacher did.

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Re: [opensuse] Undelete

2007-05-27 Thread Carlos E. R.
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The Sunday 2007-05-27 at 08:52 -0400, jfweber@ wrote:

...

  A person discovers their important files have been lost somehow , and 
 as they spin themselves into a fit of rage, the other person in their 
 life gets too close, too soon..  a letter opener appears in a hand... 
 and we cut to...sounds of Sirens ... the police arriving to see what 
 the fuss is about, and some lawyer thinks up a novel defence.i.e.: the 
 computer made them do it.. 

X'-)

Most people know or guess how fallible and untrustfull a computer is. Or 
should know. At least, Windows educates them in hangs and reboots ad 
infinitum :-P

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Re: [opensuse] Undelete

2007-05-27 Thread Randall R Schulz
On Sunday 27 May 2007 07:17, Carlos E. R. wrote:
 The Sunday 2007-05-27 at 14:45 +0200, jdd wrote:
It still doesn't help with, e.g, and application's Save as...
function that overwrites an existing file, but it's something.
 
  in this situation, no file can be retreived by no system (even
  windows).

 That's not completely true... old Vax VMS file names had also a
 version number. You could have file.ext;1, ...;2, etc, so you
 could go back and retrieve an older version of the file you were
 working with. Nice feature, except if the admin had limited the
 number of versions to two or three... which my teacher did.

And there's a even a very limited counterpart in the Gnu tools: The cp 
command's --backup and related options.

You can also set up rdiff-backup to periodically make incremental 
snapshots of select portions of your file system.

But of course, a real backup and archive system is an important 
ingredient in any data safety setup.


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Re: [opensuse] Keyboard layouts gone

2007-05-27 Thread Jan Karjalainen
ken wrote:
 On 05/26/2007 03:38 PM somebody named Jan Karjalainen wrote:
   
 ken wrote:
 
 On 05/26/2007 08:48 AM somebody named Jan Karjalainen wrote:
   
   
 ken wrote:
 
 
 On 05/26/2007 08:01 AM somebody named Jan Karjalainen wrote:
   
   
   
 All the keyboard layouts in my openSUSE 10.2 are gone.
 No special characters or keys work, and Keyboard Layout in YaST shows no
 layouts available.
 How do I get the keyboard layouts back?

 /J

 
 
 
 Assuming your using a PC, do you have any files or directories under
 /usr/share/kbd/keymaps/i386/?



   
   
   
 ls /usr/share/kbd/keymaps/i386/ gives:
 azerty  dvorak  fgGIod  include  qwerty  qwertz

 The qwerty directory contains the keymap I need (sv-latin1.map.gz).
 
 
 Okay.  So then what happens when you run (as root)

 /etc/init.d/kbd status

 and

 /etc/init.d/kbd start

 ??


   
   
 /etc/init.d/kbd status
 Keymap /usr/share/kbd/keymaps/i386/qwerty/sv-latin1.map.gz is loaded.

 /etc/init.d/kbd start
 This gives not output.

 The YaST Keyboard Layout app is completely empty of any layouts...
 Typing of international and special characters won't work, especially
 those that require the Alt key.
 

 Switch to a console (text-only) screen and see if the keyboard works there.


   
I logged out (as ctrl+alt+f1 won't work) and logged in to the console,
and there the keyboard mapping works!
After running startx and waiting for KDE to load, the keyboard mapping
is gone.


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Re: [opensuse] Keyboard layouts gone

2007-05-27 Thread Patrick Shanahan
* Jan Karjalainen [EMAIL PROTECTED] [05-27-07 10:59]:
 {[...]  (much trimmed)
 I logged out (as ctrl+alt+f1 won't work) and logged in to the console,
 and there the keyboard mapping works!
 After running startx and waiting for KDE to load, the keyboard mapping
 is gone.

Make a new user and login to X as the new user.  See if your key
mapping has returned.

If it is still missing, you quite possibly have bonkered xorg.conf
and may need to run from a console as root in runlevel 3:
  sax2 -r -m 0=nv
  
ps: It would not hurt for you to trim *most* of the previous quoting.

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Re: [opensuse] Keyboard layouts gone, ADD

2007-05-27 Thread Patrick Shanahan
* Jan Karjalainen [EMAIL PROTECTED] [05-27-07 10:59]:
 {[...]  (much trimmed)
 I logged out (as ctrl+alt+f1 won't work) and logged in to the console,
 and there the keyboard mapping works!
 After running startx and waiting for KDE to load, the keyboard mapping
 is gone.

Make a new user and login to X as the new user.  See if your key
mapping has returned.

If it is still missing, you quite possibly have bonkered xorg.conf
and may need to run from a console as root in runlevel 3:
  sax2 -r -m 0=nv

warning: this is for an nvidia video card. substitute [glx...] for
nv in 0=nv above.

ps: It would not hurt for you to trim *most* of the previous quoting.

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[opensuse] Suse 10.2

2007-05-27 Thread RTF

Hi,

I have the OpenSuse 10.2 DVD from Linux Format magazine.  I was going to 
install it in a dual-boot arrangement with XP.  However, based on what I 
have read, during the installation, it asks you to choose your desktop 
(KDE, GNOME, XFCE, or whatever).  While I don't have any distribution 
installed at present, previous installations allowed you to choose the 
desktop you wanted to use when you booted. 

Is there a way to install all available desktops/windows managers and 
then choose the one you want to use when you boot?


Many thanks in advance.

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Re: [opensuse] Suse 10.2

2007-05-27 Thread Kenneth Schneider
On Sun, 2007-05-27 at 11:23 -0400, RTF wrote:
 Hi,
 
 I have the OpenSuse 10.2 DVD from Linux Format magazine.  I was going to 
 install it in a dual-boot arrangement with XP.  However, based on what I 
 have read, during the installation, it asks you to choose your desktop 
 (KDE, GNOME, XFCE, or whatever).  While I don't have any distribution 
 installed at present, previous installations allowed you to choose the 
 desktop you wanted to use when you booted. 
 
 Is there a way to install all available desktops/windows managers and 
 then choose the one you want to use when you boot?
 
 Many thanks in advance.
 
 Rob

During the install process you have the ability to custom select which
software packages to install. This is where you select additional
desktops to install.

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Re: [opensuse] Suse 10.2

2007-05-27 Thread Randall R Schulz
On Sunday 27 May 2007 08:23, RTF wrote:
 Hi,

 I have the OpenSuse 10.2 DVD from Linux Format magazine.  I was going
 to install it in a dual-boot arrangement with XP.  However, based on
 what I have read, during the installation, it asks you to choose your
 desktop (KDE, GNOME, XFCE, or whatever).  While I don't have any
 distribution installed at present, previous installations allowed you
 to choose the desktop you wanted to use when you booted.

 Is there a way to install all available desktops/windows managers and
 then choose the one you want to use when you boot?

Yes. After installing the desktop environments you want, as Kenneth 
indicated, you can make a choice of which to activate on each login. 
The default, of course, is to repeat the one you used most recently.


 Many thanks in advance.

 Rob


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Re: [opensuse] Undelete

2007-05-27 Thread Kai Ponte
On Sat, May 26, 2007 4:33 pm, Fajar Priyanto wrote:
 On Sunday 27 May 2007 06:19, Chris Arnold wrote:
 Is undelete available on opensuse? How do i recover some files that
 were
 mistakenly deleted?

 Hello Chris,
 Due to the nature of ext3 (if you use it), we cannot undelete deleted
 files.
 The feature is being developed though. Pls take a look at 'man
 chattr',
 there's 'u' option.

that's probably a good thing. :P

I have one question to the group. When I wiped Vista and formatted my
drive on the laptop, instead of Reiser - which was the default for
9.1-10.1 for me - it formatted my partitions as ext3.

Any reason for the switch?  I have no compliants, just wondering.


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Re: [opensuse] Recommendation for sata card?

2007-05-27 Thread Darryl Gregorash
On 2007-05-26 23:36, HG wrote:
 Hi!

 On 5/25/07, Greg Freemyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 See http://linux-ata.org/driver-status.html#matrix for the Sept. 06
 status matrix.  That should have been accurate for 10.2.  Lots of big

 Greg

 I have just ordered a Promise SATA300 TX4plus. It was the only
I can't find a TX4plus anywhere on the Promise website. Do you mean the
TX4310?
 Do you know more about the status as the table leaves me a little
 confused. The table says that the driver for above Promise does not
 support NCQ, new EH, hotplug or suspend. But when I scrolled up, the
 page says that: Summary: No TCQ. Newer cards support NCQ. Full SATA
 control including hotplug and PM on all.
What is confusing? The card supports these, but the driver does not. The
comment you quoted about the sata_promise driver suggests that that TCQ
will not be supported in the driver, because there is NCQ support in the
cards.

The notes after the table say this: No, feature is not present. The
hardware can support this feature, but driver code does not yet exist to
support it. Note the word yet.

In other words, stay tuned -- the support should be there sometime in
the future. If you absolutely /must/ have all these now, then look for
something that can use the ahci driver, or get a Silicon Image SiI3124
(presumably, though, most if not all of those will be more expensive
than you suggest your budget allows).

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Re: [opensuse] Suse 10.2

2007-05-27 Thread James Knott
RTF wrote:
 Hi,

 I have the OpenSuse 10.2 DVD from Linux Format magazine.  I was going
 to install it in a dual-boot arrangement with XP.  However, based on
 what I have read, during the installation, it asks you to choose your
 desktop (KDE, GNOME, XFCE, or whatever).  While I don't have any
 distribution installed at present, previous installations allowed you
 to choose the desktop you wanted to use when you booted.
 Is there a way to install all available desktops/windows managers and
 then choose the one you want to use when you boot?


You can install as many desktops as you wish, after the install and then
chose the one you wish to use, when you log in.  In fact, you can log in
to more than once and have a different desktop on each one at the same time.



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Re: [opensuse] Suse 10.2

2007-05-27 Thread RTF
Thanks Kenneth and Randall.  One more question.  Will it overwrite the 
MBR?  I have Partition Magic installed along with Boot Magic and I'm 
wondering how an installation will affect the boot record...


Many thanks in advance.

Best Regards,
Rob

Randall R Schulz wrote:


On Sunday 27 May 2007 08:23, RTF wrote:
  

Hi,

I have the OpenSuse 10.2 DVD from Linux Format magazine.  I was going
to install it in a dual-boot arrangement with XP.  However, based on
what I have read, during the installation, it asks you to choose your
desktop (KDE, GNOME, XFCE, or whatever).  While I don't have any
distribution installed at present, previous installations allowed you
to choose the desktop you wanted to use when you booted.

Is there a way to install all available desktops/windows managers and
then choose the one you want to use when you boot?



Yes. After installing the desktop environments you want, as Kenneth 
indicated, you can make a choice of which to activate on each login. 
The default, of course, is to repeat the one you used most recently.



  

Many thanks in advance.

Rob




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[opensuse] OpenSUSE locks up

2007-05-27 Thread Sorin Peste
Hi,

I am getting infrequent and seemingly random lock-ups on my openSUSE
10.2 - as in, nothing responds anymore (no ctrl+alt+backspace, nothing)
and the only solution is a computer reboot. How do I go about diagnosing
this problem? I am using KDE.

Thanks,
Sorin
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Re: [opensuse] Suse 10.2

2007-05-27 Thread Randall R Schulz
On Sunday 27 May 2007 10:24, RTF wrote:
 Thanks Kenneth and Randall.  One more question.  Will it overwrite
 the MBR?  I have Partition Magic installed along with Boot Magic and
 I'm wondering how an installation will affect the boot record...

 Many thanks in advance.

 Best Regards,
 Rob

The Windows installer is written to take over and replace the MBR 
entirely, only recognizing the existence of Windows installations.

The Linux installer (SuSE's, anyway) will integrate existing boot 
information into the MBR it writes, giving you the option to boot any 
of the systems that existed before it was installed in addition to the 
newly installed system.


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Re: [opensuse] Keyboard layouts gone, ADD

2007-05-27 Thread jrock
Patrick Shanahan wrote:
 * Jan Karjalainen [EMAIL PROTECTED] [05-27-07 10:59]:
  {[...]  (much trimmed)
   
 I logged out (as ctrl+alt+f1 won't work) and logged in to the console,
 and there the keyboard mapping works!
 After running startx and waiting for KDE to load, the keyboard mapping
 is gone.
 

 Make a new user and login to X as the new user.  See if your key
 mapping has returned.

 If it is still missing, you quite possibly have bonkered xorg.conf
 and may need to run from a console as root in runlevel 3:
   sax2 -r -m 0=nv

 warning: this is for an nvidia video card. substitute [glx...] for
 nv in 0=nv above.

 ps: It would not hurt for you to trim *most* of the previous quoting.

   
I did this (sax2 -r -m 0=nv) and the Keyboard Layout module in Sax2
shows nothing under the Type, Layout and Variant drop-down menus.
Completely empty of any entries...


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Re: [opensuse] Keyboard layouts gone, ADD

2007-05-27 Thread Patrick Shanahan
* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [05-27-07 14:20]:
 Patrick Shanahan wrote:
  Make a new user and login to X as the new user.  See if your key
  mapping has returned.
 
  ps: It would not hurt for you to trim *most* of the previous quoting.
 

 I did this (sax2 -r -m 0=nv) and the Keyboard Layout module in Sax2
 shows nothing under the Type, Layout and Variant drop-down menus.
 Completely empty of any entries...

OK, you did part and noted that there are no (??) drop-down menu
entries 

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Re: [opensuse] Keyboard layouts gone, ADD

2007-05-27 Thread jrock
Patrick Shanahan wrote:
 * [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [05-27-07 14:20]:
   
 Patrick Shanahan wrote:
 
 Make a new user and login to X as the new user.  See if your key
 mapping has returned.

 ps: It would not hurt for you to trim *most* of the previous quoting.

   
   
 I did this (sax2 -r -m 0=nv) and the Keyboard Layout module in Sax2
 shows nothing under the Type, Layout and Variant drop-down menus.
 Completely empty of any entries...
 

 OK, you did part and noted that there are no (??) drop-down menu
 entries 

   
Yes, absolutely no entries in the drop-down menus where you choose Type,
Layout and Variant. Also the Additional Layouts section is empty.
The same happens no matter which user (me, root or a newly created user)
is logged in, in KDE/YaST or while running sax2 while init 3.

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Re: [opensuse] OpenSUSE locks up

2007-05-27 Thread Thomas Hertweck


Randall R Schulz wrote:
 [...] (Note that
 while the S in S.M.A.R.T. is technically SCSI, many SATA and (I 
 think) IDE drives support it, as well).

S.M.A.R.T. means Self-Monitoring, Analysis and Reporting Technology
and the S has nothing to do with SCSI (although this technology has been
introduced for SCSI disks first before it became pretty much a standard
for all SCSI and ATA disks in the mid 90ies).

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Re: [opensuse] Keyboard layouts gone, ADD

2007-05-27 Thread Patrick Shanahan
* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [05-27-07 14:38]:
 Yes, absolutely no entries in the drop-down menus where you choose Type,
 Layout and Variant. Also the Additional Layouts section is empty.
 The same happens no matter which user (me, root or a newly created user)
 is logged in, in KDE/YaST or while running sax2 while init 3.

OK, then the next step I would take is boot from the install cd/dvd
and go thru the steps to: repair installed system and reinstall your
keyboard(layout).


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Re: [opensuse] OpenSUSE locks up

2007-05-27 Thread James Knott
Sorin Peste wrote:
 Hi,

 I am getting infrequent and seemingly random lock-ups on my openSUSE
 10.2 - as in, nothing responds anymore (no ctrl+alt+backspace, nothing)
 and the only solution is a computer reboot. How do I go about diagnosing
 this problem? I am using KDE.

 Thanks,
 Sorin
   
Can you access it with ssh?  Is there a lot of disk activity?  Other
symptoms?



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Re: [opensuse] OpenSUSE locks up

2007-05-27 Thread Sorin Peste
James Knott wrote:
 Sorin Peste wrote:
   
 Hi,

 I am getting infrequent and seemingly random lock-ups on my openSUSE
 10.2 - as in, nothing responds anymore (no ctrl+alt+backspace, nothing)
 and the only solution is a computer reboot. How do I go about diagnosing
 this problem? I am using KDE.

 Thanks,
 Sorin
   
 
 Can you access it with ssh?  Is there a lot of disk activity?  Other
 symptoms?



   

I don't have sshd installed - this is my desktop system. Disk activity
is normal (though I am using beagle). The lockups are infrequent, maybe
one or two per week, and I can't tie them to anything I am doing at that
time. I didn't move any hardware around in the last couple of months at
least. 

When the last one occurred, earlier today, I was actively using the
computer.

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Re: [opensuse] Last Reminder: Linuxtag 2007 - Berlin - 30.05 - 02.06.2007

2007-05-27 Thread Clayton

- schedule on linuxtag:
http://www.linuxtag.org/2007/en/conf/events/vp-mittwoch.html


I'll be there on Saturday.  I missed the free visitor voucher thing
(not subscribed to opensuse-announce).  The message to
opensuse-announce says to contact Florian for the vouchers but the
email is obscured in the archives... I am assuming is at suse.de?


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[opensuse] Last Reminder: Linuxtag 2007 - Berlin - 30.05 - 02.06.2007

2007-05-27 Thread Martin Lasarsch
Hi

Most of you are aware of it: next week is Linuxtag(day) in Berlin. Some 
information:

- general info about the Linuxtag http://www.linuxtag.org/2007/

- openSUSE talks on Wednesday, 30.05: http://en.opensuse.org/Linuxtag_2007

- schedule on linuxtag: 
http://www.linuxtag.org/2007/en/conf/events/vp-mittwoch.html

- openSUSE booth (Hall 12, 52) with: 2x openSUSE, 1x Novell, 1x JackLab 
counters.

- free tickets (first come, first serve ... i hope there are still some left): 
http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-announce/2007-05/msg8.html

See you in Berlin!
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Re: [opensuse] Publisher alternatives

2007-05-27 Thread Pueblo Native
jdd wrote:

 think at what make these apps different. I did some years ago and
 found only one: the ability to have a text span several boxes

 and this can be achieved in OpenOffice .org.

 It's not obvious and I don't remember the recipe, but it can be done...

My original idea was that the biggest difference between these products
was how they treated text.  In a word processor, for instance, most of
the time text was text.  In a DTP product, on the other hand, text is a
design element, just like photos and other graphics.  That was my
original concept, and I think that's pretty much gotten smashed.
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Re: [opensuse] Small database program?

2007-05-27 Thread Pueblo Native
Nick Zentena wrote:
 On Saturday 26 May 2007 19:29, Pueblo Native wrote:

   
 Well, we got a pretty good list of database programs here.
 The only thing I would ask you is what do you mean by simple.  Do you
 mean all the fields set up and you don't have to do much work (tellico
 or a small niche database) or one with few bells and whistles (Calc
 spreadsheet)?
 

   
   I think Openoffice Base is going to work for me. I've had to redo 
 things a 
 few times. But I'm getting closer to something that does what I need. It 
 would have been easier if I kept my eyes open the first time but redoing it 
 hasn't hurt. We'll so how well things go when I get serious about inputting 
 the data. So far I've only added about five records.

   Nick
   
Whatever you use, don't spend too much time reinventing the wheel.  I'd
try to find a template that matches your needs generally if not preciesely.
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[opensuse] Opensuse 10.2 upgrade?

2007-05-27 Thread Jose

Hi List,

Got opensuse 10.2 running on my box, but I got mixup and instead or 
installing the 64 edition installed the 32 one, is it possible to 
upgrade to 10.2 64b on top of the existing 10.2 32\bits?


Thanks in advance for any advice


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Re: [opensuse] OpenSUSE locks up

2007-05-27 Thread Randall R Schulz
On Sunday 27 May 2007 11:38, Thomas Hertweck wrote:
 Randall R Schulz wrote:
  [...] (Note that
  while the S in S.M.A.R.T. is technically SCSI, many SATA and (I
  think) IDE drives support it, as well).

 S.M.A.R.T. means Self-Monitoring, Analysis and Reporting Technology
 and the S has nothing to do with SCSI (although this technology has
 been introduced for SCSI disks first before it became pretty much a
 standard for all SCSI and ATA disks in the mid 90ies).

Oops. I don't know where I got that idea from. Perhaps 'cause it 
appeared first on SCSI drives. Or maybe I saw some other source refer 
to it that way.

Sorry for the misinformation.


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Re: [opensuse] Undelete

2007-05-27 Thread Fajar Priyanto
On Sunday 27 May 2007 23:13, Kai Ponte wrote:
 that's probably a good thing. :P

 I have one question to the group. When I wiped Vista and formatted my
 drive on the laptop, instead of Reiser - which was the default for
 9.1-10.1 for me - it formatted my partitions as ext3.

 Any reason for the switch?  I have no compliants, just wondering.

I believe it's been heavily discussed in the last couple of months.
Hans Reiser the lead developer of reiserfs is on trial as suspected murder of 
his missing wife. Maybe as a precaution Suse decided to switch to ext3.
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Re: [opensuse] Undelete

2007-05-27 Thread Jonathan Ervine
On Monday 28 May 2007 01:37:36 Fajar Priyanto wrote:
 On Sunday 27 May 2007 23:13, Kai Ponte wrote:
  that's probably a good thing. :P
 
  I have one question to the group. When I wiped Vista and formatted my
  drive on the laptop, instead of Reiser - which was the default for
  9.1-10.1 for me - it formatted my partitions as ext3.
 
  Any reason for the switch?  I have no compliants, just wondering.

 I believe it's been heavily discussed in the last couple of months.
 Hans Reiser the lead developer of reiserfs is on trial as suspected murder
 of his missing wife. Maybe as a precaution Suse decided to switch to ext3.

Actually, the decision to switch from reiser to ext3 as the default filesystem 
in openSUSE 10.2 is not related to Hans Reiser being arrested on murder 
charges. Most of the maintenance of reiser3 filesystem was being done by SUSE 
engineering, no new features were being added to reiser3 as reiser4 was seen 
as 'live' branch of the project. However, reiser4 was not, and still isn't, 
accepted into the mainline kernel. There was/is no upgrade from reiser3 to 
reiser4 available, and the future roadmap for ext3 looks more assured in 
terms of upgrading to ext4 (when available).

You can see a copy of the letter sent by Jeff Mahoney, on this subject here:
http://linux.wordpress.com/2006/09/27/suse-102-ditching-reiserfs-as-it-default-fs/

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Re: [opensuse] OpenSUSE locks up

2007-05-27 Thread Jerry Feldman
On Sun, 27 May 2007 22:20:02 +0300
Sorin Peste [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I don't have sshd installed - this is my desktop system. Disk activity
 is normal (though I am using beagle). The lockups are infrequent, maybe
 one or two per week, and I can't tie them to anything I am doing at that
 time. I didn't move any hardware around in the last couple of months at
 least. 
 
 When the last one occurred, earlier today, I was actively using the
 computer.
In past experience, lockups are related to the GUI, not to the kernel.
Since the display manager is in control of the keyboard, you can't do
ctrl-alt-F1. In the past, I would use my laptop or my wife's Windows
system using Putty, which is one reason for having sshd installed. 


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Re: [opensuse] Opensuse 10.2 upgrade?

2007-05-27 Thread Jerry Feldman
On Sun, 27 May 2007 18:36:01 -0400
Jose [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hi List,
 
 Got opensuse 10.2 running on my box, but I got mixup and instead or 
 installing the 64 edition installed the 32 one, is it possible to 
 upgrade to 10.2 64b on top of the existing 10.2 32\bits?
 
 Thanks in advance for any advice
An upgrade install might work, but I would simply do a fresh install.

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Re: [opensuse] OpenSUSE locks up

2007-05-27 Thread M Harris
On Sunday 27 May 2007 20:51, Jerry Feldman wrote:
 In past experience, lockups are related to the GUI, not to the kernel.
 Since the display manager is in control of the keyboard, you can't do
 ctrl-alt-F1. In the past, I would use my laptop or my wife's Windows
 system using Putty, which is one reason for having sshd installed.
Another thing you can do is open the physical serial port (or usb 
dongle) so 
that you have an agetty waiting around. This has come in handy for me more 
than a few times as I've been experimenting... just provides one more 
interface alternative for those times when X misbehaves.  And of course this 
is mandatory for a head-less machine as a backup interface or serial console.



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Filesystems - EXT3 vs. Reiser (WAS: Re: [opensuse] Undelete)

2007-05-27 Thread Kai Ponte
On Sun, May 27, 2007 6:44 pm, Jonathan Ervine wrote:
 On Monday 28 May 2007 01:37:36 Fajar Priyanto wrote:
 On Sunday 27 May 2007 23:13, Kai Ponte wrote:
  that's probably a good thing. :P
 
  I have one question to the group. When I wiped Vista and formatted
 my
  drive on the laptop, instead of Reiser - which was the default for
  9.1-10.1 for me - it formatted my partitions as ext3.
 
  Any reason for the switch?  I have no compliants, just wondering.

 I believe it's been heavily discussed in the last couple of months.
 Hans Reiser the lead developer of reiserfs is on trial as suspected
 murder
 of his missing wife. Maybe as a precaution Suse decided to switch to
 ext3.

 Actually, the decision to switch from reiser to ext3 as the default
 filesystem
 in openSUSE 10.2 is not related to Hans Reiser being arrested on
 murder
 charges. Most of the maintenance of reiser3 filesystem was being done
 by SUSE
 engineering,

Okay, that makes sense.

I did an informal test. Under my music folder, I have 32G of music
files (mostly mp3 and ogg) which - under reiser - would take forever
to open. It seems under ext3 that it takes less time.

Thanks for the answer.

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Re: [opensuse] Publisher alternatives

2007-05-27 Thread Druid

sodipodi is a program like scribus, I dont know the status of it
nowdays... their site seems a little broken and outdated
(http://www.sodipodi.com/index.php3)

also check this link:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_vector_graphics_editors


On 5/26/07, Pueblo Native [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

BandiPat wrote:
 On Thursday 24 May 2007, Pueblo Native wrote:

 I'm putting together a document listing alternatives for Microsoft
 Publisher, and so far I can only think of Scribus.  Are there any
 others out there that show  promise?


 ==

 Take a look at KWrite.  They have added several dtp features to it and
 it really shows promise.  There are still so many things missing from
 Scribus and it's still not very intuitive to use, so it's not the open
  use type program.  If you're just needing something simple, KWrite
 may fill the void.  You can also get PageStream, if you want a full
 featured dtp program.  You can download a trial version and sadly it's
 not free, but the cost is not bad either for a mature program that it
 is.



I'll take a look at it, though with all the cross over between
traditional DTP and office software, you wonder if you can even draw
that line anymore.
What I'm looking at more is putting together a list of the office
programs (Outlook, Publisher, Frontpage) for which there is no direct
equivalent  in OpenOffice.  Being a journalism student myself, I could
see three major levels of people who may be looking for the DTP software.

Level 1:  Newsletter publisher (church, small school, etc), a one time
document that may need some touches but really doesn't need to be fine
tuned.
Level  2: Student newspaper (college/high school), maybe small town
newspaper that might be still published on the weekly or monthly basis
but still has a professional feel to it.
Level 3: Daily Newspaper and beyond (book publisher, magazine, something
that absolutely needs spot on color separation and other high level
features).
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[opensuse] RKHunter reports possible infection

2007-05-27 Thread Jim Flanagan
Hi all,

On my new reinstall of openSuse10.2, I installed rkhunter 1. 28 and
updated thru the command line.

When I run it in command line, it reports no errors. But when it runs
its daily run, it reports the following 2 errors in root email

--
Please inspect this machine, because it can be infected


---
running daily cronjob scripts

SCRIPT: suse.de-rkhunter exited with RETURNCODE = 1.
SCRIPT: output (stdout  stderr) follows

Line:
Watch out Root login possible. Possible risk!
Some errors has been found while checking. Please perform a manual check
on this machine ziggy
SCRIPT: suse.de-rkhunter
--- END OF OUTPUT


SCRIPT: output (stdout  stderr) follows

Laying out /etc/preload.d/Firefox
Laying out /etc/preload.d/Gimp
Laying out /etc/preload.d/Khelpcenter
Laying out /etc/preload.d/Mozilla
Laying out /etc/preload.d/OpenOffice
Laying out /etc/preload.d/boot
Laying out /etc/preload.d/cups
Laying out /etc/preload.d/gdm
Laying out /etc/preload.d/kde
Laying out /etc/preload.d/kde.early
Laying out /etc/preload.d/kdm
Laying out /etc/preload.d/kdm.auto
Laying out /etc/preload.d/later
SCRIPT: suse.de-update-preload
--- END OF OUTPUT


Can anyone interpret this for me. I'm at a loss here. I do not get any
errors or bad reports when I run rkhunter in command line. But these
emails keep coming once a day.

TIA,

Jim F
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Re: [opensuse-packaging] GPL file location

2007-05-27 Thread Arun Singh
 On 5/24/2007 at 10:23 PM, James Ogley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Once you're sure you have the right answer to those questions, it'll go
 in /usr/share/doc/packages/%{name}.  If it's included as COPYING a line
 in the %files section of the spec file like this will do it:
 
 %doc COPYING

Thanks James, I went this old fashioned way of including GPL_v2 file. It worked.

-Arun



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Re: [opensuse-wiki] New wiki skin - help/feedback needed

2007-05-27 Thread Christian Boltz
Hello,

on Sonntag, 27. Mai 2007, Rajko M. wrote:
[...]

ACK on your mail, no need to quote most of it ;-)

Just some notes:

 Freedom to play without messing the web site structure gives me idea
 that having a test server even when layout job is done would help to
 explore abilities of openSUSE on exact copy, without crowding main
 site. 

Yes, a place to do some tests is always useful.

I'd also like to propose a wiki for new translations (that don't have an 
own wiki yet) to keep them out of the english wiki.

 Last example would be test how to improve readability of 
 subpage titles.
 See
 http://en.test.opensuse.org/index.php?title=Midnight_commander_/_t1

Yes, the additional space is a good thing in the page headline.

But: The additional _ make the URL looking odd and also make it harder 
to enter URLs manually.

Conclusion: If we want the additional space around /, it should be 
inserted on the server side (in the displayed headline), but *not* in 
the page title (URL).


Regards,

Christian Boltz
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