[opensuse-factory] Kmail keeps its own list of read messages instead of quering the IMAP server
Misfeature? It might coincide with the time that the kmail build is called enterprise. I didn't see this happen in earlier betas. But this might be because I was carrying the home directory over installations. Now I have started with a fresh home directory and configured everything from scratch. All messages appear as unread. If I use the webmail it's a totally different picture. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] KMail-Problems with POP3 since last Update (06.Sep.2007)
Am Freitag 07 September 2007 schrieb Dirk Mueller: On Friday, 7. September 2007, Jens Nixdorf wrote: So maybe the problem could be the same, and we have just to wait til factory is at the same state. Unfortunately the Beta3 checkin for this Beta3 bug was rejected. You have to wait for an online update (which hasn`t been done). Misinformation! http://download.opensuse.org/update/10.3/repodata/patch-kdepim3-4231.xml Unfortunately zypper ignores the update - but we're working to solve that issue too. Greetings, Stephan -- SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] KMail-Problems with POP3 since last Update (06.Sep.2007)
On Friday, 7. September 2007, Jens Nixdorf wrote: So maybe the problem could be the same, and we have just to wait til factory is at the same state. Unfortunately the Beta3 checkin for this Beta3 bug was rejected. You have to wait for an online update (which hasn`t been done). Greetings, Dirk -- RPMLINT information under http://en.opensuse.org/Packaging/RpmLint - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse-factory] beta3 repositories during install
During installation from the KDE i386 single CD, I had to click retry for the repositories, but then it seemed to continue. It seemed to take hours downloading the Online Repositories. Then it looks like it repeated the long downloads during the Network step of the installation (immediately prior to Registration). Just an observation.Gregg - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Beta 2: no more suspend2ram since update from 29th August
Am Freitag, 31. August 2007 schrieb Carlos Gonçalves: I can confirm this issue too. At least on 26 Aug my laptop was resuming without troubles but after upgrading to Factory (don't know exactly the date) it stopped resuming from ram correctly. My laptop (Acer Aspire 1691) symptoms are the same that yours have. Maybe it worths file a bug report. Please do that and let us. Works now for me with some options in /etc/pm/config.d. For more info look into the bugreport. In my case it is S2RAM_OPTS=-f -p, but maybe you need other options, so you have to try this by yourself at your system. A good start you will find in http://en.opensuse.org/s2ram and http://en.opensuse.org/pm-utils regards, Jens - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse-factory] KMail-Problems with POP3 since last Update (06.Sep.2007)
Hi all, yesterday i made an update again with smart, repos are factory, factory-non-oss and packman. Since this time KMail doesnt get mails via POP3 after first connection. It seems that KMail doesnt send a correct quit to the POP-Server (i have my own server where popper is running), because i always get [IN-USE] /var/mail/.jens.pop lock busy! Is another session active? (11) But there is no other session, because at this time there is only one system with one user (me) connected to this server. A similar problem was running through the ML [EMAIL PROTECTED] the last week (subject: kmail holt gmx-Mails nicht mehr), this problem seems to be corrected with kdepim3-3.5.7.enterprise.0.20070904.708281-3.1 Dont know from which repository this package comes, the factory-repo has an older package: kdepim3-3.5.7.enterprise.0.20070831.706868-6 So maybe the problem could be the same, and we have just to wait til factory is at the same state. regards, Jens - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse-factory] gnome menu and install icon on beta3
Why there's no more Install Software icon on the gnome menu ? or at least a easy way to access yast? IMO the Application Browser is really annoying. Regards. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] beta3 repositories during install
Dňa Friday 07 September 2007 13:39:48 Gregg Nicholas ste napísal: During installation from the KDE i386 single CD, I had to click retry for the repositories, but then it seemed to continue. Retry? Is this reproducible? It seemed to take hours downloading the Online Repositories. Then it looks like it repeated the long downloads during the Network step of the installation (immediately prior to Registration). Repeated download during Network step is Bug #304310 (see Most annoying bugs). Stano - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Will factory be frozen to beta3 state?
Juan Erbes [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: 2007/9/6, Christoph Thiel [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Thu, Sep 06, 2007 at 01:57:32PM +0200, Andreas Jaeger wrote: will factory be frozen to beta3 state? I guess pretty soon. If yes, can you please announce, when it is frozen? It's frozen now. The bugs are frozen also? Never ;-) You missunderstood Christoph. Frozen means that the factory tree is not synced out until Monday so that all of you have the same, tested tree for installation. We will continue looking bugs and checking them into our build system - and unfreeze the factory distribution on monday. This is BETA3 - RC1 comes in two weeks. For example when i insert a cd, I got the error: hal-storage-mount-removable no -- (action, result) https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=304845 Or the 16 bugs related to the ahci module driver, will be frozen? https://bugzilla.novell.com/buglist.cgi?query_format=specificorder=relevance+descbug_status=__open__product=content=ahci If I do in konsole: dmesg | grep ahci ahci :00:12.0: version 3.0 ahci :00:12.0: controller can't do 64bit DMA, forcing 32bit ahci :00:12.0: controller can't do PMP, turning off CAP_PMP ahci :00:12.0: AHCI 0001.0100 32 slots 4 ports 3 Gbps 0xf impl SATA mode ahci :00:12.0: flags: ncq sntf ilck led clo pio slum part scsi0 : ahci scsi1 : ahci scsi2 : ahci scsi3 : ahci Is this part of one of the bugs? Other bug with audacity appear as resolved: https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=294693GoAheadAndLogIn=1 I downloaded it and installed the last version (audacity-1.3.3-35), and The Bug Come Back, when I try to save a project: Please reopen the bug. Program received signal SIGABRT, Aborted. [Switching to Thread 0xb67246d0 (LWP 5779)] 0xe410 in __kernel_vsyscall () (gdb) bt #0 0xe410 in __kernel_vsyscall () #1 0xb71e3835 in raise () from /lib/libc.so.6 #2 0xb71e5121 in abort () from /lib/libc.so.6 #3 0xb722041b in ?? () from /lib/libc.so.6 #4 0x in ?? () I admit the problem of this bug can be derived from the buggy ahci driver, such as other bug with the rpmdb crash. How can I test it? Thanks for your testing! Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger, Director Platform/openSUSE, [EMAIL PROTECTED] SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126 pgp4HmmcubKIm.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [opensuse-factory] KMail-Problems with POP3 since last Update (06.Sep.2007)
On Fri, Sep 07, 2007 at 02:02:53PM +0200, Dirk Mueller wrote: On Friday, 7. September 2007, Jens Nixdorf wrote: So maybe the problem could be the same, and we have just to wait til factory is at the same state. Unfortunately the Beta3 checkin for this Beta3 bug was rejected. You have to wait for an online update (which hasn`t been done). It's already out there: http://download.opensuse.org/update/10.3/ Best, Christoph -- Christoph Thiel, Tech. Project Management, Research Development SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] gnome menu and install icon on beta3
Looks like this bug just got fixed and will be in the next release: https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=302324 Gabriel . [EMAIL PROTECTED] 09/07/07 10:07 AM Why there's no more Install Software icon on the gnome menu ? or at least a easy way to access yast? IMO the Application Browser is really annoying. Regards. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] KMail-Problems with POP3 since last Update (06.Sep.2007)
Am Freitag, 7. September 2007 schrieb Christoph Thiel: It's already out there: http://download.opensuse.org/update/10.3/ Thank you, there was the right package. Doesnt recognize that there already exists an update-repository for 10.3. regards, Jens - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Refreshing the sources still takes forever...
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 M9. schreef: M9. schreef: Stanislav Visnovsky schreef: What is the libzypp version? 3.22.0-2 I am going to upgrade to 3.22.1-5 now, to see if that differs;-) Let you know.. Makes no difference.. ;-( After updating to the frozen factory just now, the problem is solved :-) - -- Have a nice day, M9. Now, is the only time that exists. OS: Linux 2.6.22.5-10-default x86_64 Huidige gebruiker: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Systeem: openSUSE 10.3 (X86-64) Beta3 KDE: 3.5.7 release 58 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4-svn0 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFG4R2dX5/X5X6LpDgRAlhiAJ9NF6j5T6bCEUZT/2ChIyEN3b2KMwCgnZxv n2nhaSEyVwyYzehRrUWd9qI= =BuFw -END PGP SIGNATURE- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] beta3 questions
I was suffering with the second and third problems, empty kcontrol KDE apps missing from the menus, and I seem to have resolved them by changing my desktop manager to kdm, from gdm. Of course, it could have just fixed itself with a factory update/reboot but the timing was fairly compelling. Worth a try. Jason On Fri, 2007-09-07 at 07:56 +0300, Ain Vagula wrote: After installing beta3 I have some problems, maybe I'm missed something at this point - antialiasing does not work in KDEx, Thunderbird, Firefox and Opera (but works fine in XFce and Gnome) - kcontrol dialog is empty: http://www.avkb.ee/arhiiv/kontrol.png - system menu does not contain most of KDE applications I'm using AMD64 x2, NVidia Geforce 8500 with proprietary drivers ain - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Jason Boissiere Senior QA Engineer Ingres 01753559529 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Refreshing the sources still takes forever...
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Benji Weber schreef: Using the susetags (yast2) metadata repositories in 10.3 (even b3) it does seem to download the metadata every time here. :s Using the rpm-md repositories it only does when the repository has changed. you mean cli? _ Benjamin Weber - -- Have a nice day, M9. Now, is the only time that exists. OS: Linux 2.6.22.5-8-default x86_64 Huidige gebruiker: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Systeem: openSUSE 10.3 (X86-64) Beta3 KDE: 3.5.7 release 56 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4-svn0 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFG4Qg1X5/X5X6LpDgRAuU/AJwJxhWlJclVCg4jlGKE5Uy9KQb0EgCgycTQ FjXTBHAOSnISt8D29S8RDuI= =Db9y -END PGP SIGNATURE- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Re: [opensuse-announce] Announcing openSUSE 10.3Beta3
Am Donnerstag 06 September 2007 schrieb Marko Schugardt: Hello, there are no Live CDs again. At the moment they are the only possibility for me, to test 10.3. Will they follow? They will follow when they are ready. Greetings, Stephan -- SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse-factory] beta 3 fails in virtual box 1.3.6
this is the newer virtualbox for 10.1 (according to yast) I tried to install the 10.3 beta 3 kde cd, all went well but at reboot it rebooted normally... without accepting root pass. this seems to be the usual problem when one try to install with only one cd. I have no time now to investigate further, sorry jdd -- http://www.dodin.net - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse-factory] Apps do not restart after reboot..
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Rather KDE? Amarok, Firefox, and Patience4 do not come back as they should. (shutting down without closing the apps) Thunderbird does. - -- Have a nice day, M9. Now, is the only time that exists. OS: Linux 2.6.22.5-8-default x86_64 Huidige gebruiker: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Systeem: openSUSE 10.3 (X86-64) Beta3 KDE: 3.5.7 release 56 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4-svn0 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFG4QApX5/X5X6LpDgRAqNFAKDB5u1GBHhykwRhz+TGYDC6xowt6wCdF+Kp apD5JPo/+Wl1wqV1V1+eEUA= =Alkb -END PGP SIGNATURE- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Re: [opensuse-announce] Announcing openSUSE 10.3 Beta3
Marko Schugardt [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hello, there are no Live CDs again. At the moment they are the only possibility for me, to test 10.3. Will they follow? We plan to - we just can't parallelize some of our key people good enough ;-) Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger, Director Platform/openSUSE, [EMAIL PROTECTED] SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126 pgp2t0ZiL7Mux.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [opensuse-factory] Why does grub ignore existing boot-entries?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 M9. schreef: The, to me, most disturbing, is the fact that there is some faillure in reading, and fitting in entries from an existing installation other than widnose. Allways i have to make manual changes to boot other os's, which takes time to get them right so they fully boot, instead of hanging halfway, and tells me grub can not find this and that... I think, that sophisticated as SuSE is at the moment, this realy has to be fixed until the final version. The rest performs very smoothly, and faster than 10.2 I noticed, during install-attempts, that at some point the dvd/cd player does not open manualy, so media can not get changed, and the install faills due to not existing files. Pushing the skip button causes the install to abort... I did not succeed to install from bootable media. ;-( The KDE-cd and web-repositories install nicely without any error ;-) I am very much enjoying 10.3 so far...:-) After upgrading to frozen factory just now, (kernel update) the entrances are visible and intact. :-) - - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - -- Have a nice day, M9. Now, is the only time that exists. OS: Linux 2.6.22.5-10-default x86_64 Huidige gebruiker: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Systeem: openSUSE 10.3 (X86-64) Beta3 KDE: 3.5.7 release 58 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4-svn0 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFG4R4EX5/X5X6LpDgRAvDQAJ4rNKNLgi/poqn29DbH6cAPALbyYQCfRHaI PmW+eUtsIFfO8p+fhBMgtnc= =RTPu -END PGP SIGNATURE- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] anybody seeing problems with 10.3-beta3 iso image?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Every attempt i have made sofar stranded... What realy works is the netinstall ;-) joe schreef: Hi list, I've downloaded the 10.3-beta3-kde iso, and I've made 5 straight coasters on 2 different burners, which have never made coasters before. The MD5sums in the downloade image here match the ones on the download site, but every single CD I burn fails the checksum, with i/o errors. Could I have been hit by lightning 5 times in a row? Has anybody else seen this problem? Has anybody successfully installed from the beta 3 kde image? Thanks, Joe - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - -- Have a nice day, M9. Now, is the only time that exists. OS: Linux 2.6.22.5-8-default x86_64 Huidige gebruiker: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Systeem: openSUSE 10.3 (X86-64) Beta3 KDE: 3.5.7 release 56 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4-svn0 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFG4P9sX5/X5X6LpDgRAgspAKDh7RRTHJaRA3CeEiPl6OwFjszK6wCePKQQ 2InxiPshWWe4ayJqeSyRdFY= =CpQr -END PGP SIGNATURE- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse-factory] uninstalling packages
I don't understand the Package Selector of 10.3, I want to remove all games, so I select 'View Packages in categories' , the categories are showed although they are empty on Installed Software So my question is, How can I remove a complete category or pattern ? Best Regards. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Re: [opensuse-announce] Announcing openSUSE 10.3 Beta3
Hello, Alexey Eremenko wrote: There is another possibility: Virtualization. KVM/VirtualBox/VMware/... ok, i will try that. Regards, Marko - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse-factory] unable to modify tv card module parameters using yast
I have to manually editing the tv card parameters, so I go to TV Card under Yast and select Advance Configuration, but the parameter entry box is disabled. Should I fill a bug? Regards. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse-factory] xerces problem
I'm getting the following error when installing: 'Package xerces-j2 is broken; integrity check has failed.' This is using the beta3 DVD. Is anyone else getting this? -- Jonathan Arnold (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) LinuxBrainDump, Linux HowTo's and Tutorials: http://www.linuxbrainddump.org Daemon Dancing in the Dark, an Open OS weblog: http://freebsd.amazingdev.com/blog/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse-factory] Slide show
I was wondering where I could look over the text in the Slide Show and where to comment on it? I have a few comments on the screens I've read so far, but I'd like to be able to read them at my leisure. -- Jonathan Arnold (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) LinuxBrainDump, Linux HowTo's and Tutorials: http://www.linuxbrainddump.org Daemon Dancing in the Dark, an Open OS weblog: http://freebsd.amazingdev.com/blog/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] beta 3 fails in virtual box 1.3.6
this is the newer virtualbox for 10.1 (according to yast) That's not new at all... thats very old. The latest is 1.5.0 that was released on 03 Sept. I tried to install the 10.3 beta 3 kde cd, all went well but at reboot it rebooted normally... without accepting root pass. this seems to be the usual problem when one try to install with only one cd. I am not even getting that far with the KDE CD. It boots the CD fine, installs with no errors, but after the install it fails on the restart with a kernel panic and a message: PANIC: CPU too old for this kernel. That's a new one on me... :-( Off to try it in VMWare now. C. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] beta 3 fails in virtual box 1.3.6
It did that to my laptop after last update. It turned out that some dependency (kernel module ) installed kernel-bigsmp and made it default in grub setup. Choosing normal kernel(kernel-default) and removing kernel-bigsmp worked for me. Martin 2007/9/7, Clayton [EMAIL PROTECTED]: this is the newer virtualbox for 10.1 (according to yast) That's not new at all... thats very old. The latest is 1.5.0 that was released on 03 Sept. I tried to install the 10.3 beta 3 kde cd, all went well but at reboot it rebooted normally... without accepting root pass. this seems to be the usual problem when one try to install with only one cd. I am not even getting that far with the KDE CD. It boots the CD fine, installs with no errors, but after the install it fails on the restart with a kernel panic and a message: PANIC: CPU too old for this kernel. That's a new one on me... :-( Off to try it in VMWare now. C. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Kmail keeps its own list of read messages instead of quering the IMAP server
On Friday 07 September 2007 05:55:57 am Silviu Marin-Caea wrote: Misfeature? It might coincide with the time that the kmail build is called enterprise. I didn't see this happen in earlier betas. But this might be because I was carrying the home directory over installations. Now I have started with a fresh home directory and configured everything from scratch. All messages appear as unread. If I use the webmail it's a totally different picture. You mean you moved kmail directories to new installation? If that is the case, I have something similar on every move. Kmail forgets folder settings like threading, that is a mail list in the folder, custom color for folders with new messages, the only thing that it accepted last time was message status read/unread :-) -- Regards, Rajko. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse-factory] openSUSE 10.3, kernel update 2.6.22.5-12 doesn't create initrd
The latest kernel 2.6.22.5-12-default from update repositories has bug in postinstall script that prevents creation of initrd, making system unbootable. Bootloader is on different partition and script test for menu.lst fails, making script to skip creation of initrd. This has happened in 10. (bug 2290959), but it was corrected in 10.3 kernels and I closed the bug report. Now it is added new function in script and bug reintroduced. I guess that this should be a new bug, but not sure? -- Regards, Rajko. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Beta 2
Donn Washburn wrote: I have noticed a problem with Beta 2 and that involves the printer. It seems to get it to work after a reboot or someway else, it is required to rerun yast2 Hardware Printer. At some point the printer again starts working What printer? With HP All-in-one I had to use hp-setup, then use YaST to get it shared across the network. Regards Sid. -- Sid Boyce ... Hamradio License G3VBV, Licensed Private Pilot Emeritus IBM/Amdahl Mainframes and Sun/Fujitsu Servers Tech Support Specialist, Cricket Coach Microsoft Windows Free Zone - Linux used for all Computing Tasks - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse-factory] online updates in beta3
Hi! We have something new to test for beta3: - check if after doing online updates your libzypp changelog has the following entry: * Fr Sep 07 2007 - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - RequirementIsMet: return true only if ALL Atoms are NOT incomplete; Bug 308252 If it doesn't, please attach the test case generated by zypper up --debug-solver But only do so if your beta3 isn't known to be broken in other ways :) Thanks, Stephan - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse] Re: No icons
Bogdan Cristea wrote: I am using openSuSE 10.2 with KDE from DVD GM distribution. I have changed the kernel to 2.6.22.5-8 version due to some issues with ACPI. I have two distinct partitions for root and home dir and my guess is that there are some configuration files left behind from previous installations in my home dir. which affect my current installation. Now I have started with a fresh installation formating the home partition too. I will see if the problem occurs again. Which indicates that the problem is in a desktop configuration file inside your home directory (or more likely a subdirectory of it). Since you didn't tell us which GUI you're using, it's impossible to be any more specific than that. Hi Bogdan, if I recall correctly, you had setup a differnt user for testing purposes, i.e. a user that did not exist previously . When you used that new user id, you automatically used a freshly created from scratch home directory. So I doubt that this is the cause of your problems. If I understood correctly, that is. kind regards Eberhard -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] FTP download of 10.3 Beta3 DVD ISO
On Fri, 2007-09-07 at 19:01 +0800, Art Fore wrote: On Fri, 2007-09-07 at 11:20 +0100, Matthew Stringer wrote: Anyone know of where this is available, only sites I've seen offer downloads via BitTorrent which will take ages. Regards Matthew Glad to see that I am not the only who has slow downloads via bittorrent, and you are considerably closer to OpenSuse than I am. (Taiwan) Art Just tried it in Suse 10.2, it came up 27 days after about 10 minutes. 10.2 Beta2 is coming up a more reasonable 3 day, but that is still a long time. Art -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse] USB IDE disk caddies [Was: Tape Drive for personal usage]
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 The Wednesday 2007-09-05 at 20:31 -0400, Jorge Fábregas wrote: Thank you guys for your comments/suggestions. I really appreciate it. I think I'll be considering one of these USB IDE disk caddies. I never thought about them. Yes, I'm starting to use them, too. There is one concern I have about these: they don't support the full IDE standard, meaning that SMART doesn't work. The drive can't be tested. True, smart doesn't always predict failure, but it helps. Somebody knows of an external ide-usb box supporting smart (Self-Monitoring, Analysis and Reporting Technology)? - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.76 iD8DBQFG4UJytTMYHG2NR9URAmIuAJsGJL/+xdwvLfhBbFl7XQ51bn7eeACeLOV8 gx7zSK4Lsi9T+F5zMPFMOPw= =bjRp -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [opensuse] FTP download of 10.3 Beta3 DVD ISO
On Friday 07 September 2007 12:01:04 Art Fore wrote: On Fri, 2007-09-07 at 11:20 +0100, Matthew Stringer wrote: Anyone know of where this is available, only sites I've seen offer downloads via BitTorrent which will take ages. Regards Matthew Glad to see that I am not the only who has slow downloads via bittorrent, and you are considerably closer to OpenSuse than I am. (Taiwan) Art I'm getting about 170KB/s will take about 24 hours to download. From a decent FTP server I'd get between 4 and 40MB/s would be able to download this in minutes (perks of working for a large ISP). Matthew -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] USB IDE disk caddies [Was: Tape Drive for personal usage]
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 The Friday 2007-09-07 at 09:40 -0400, Patrick Shanahan wrote: MoxNix, smartd doesn't appear to work on my sata drives .. :^( Yes, I heard that smart support is not complete yet in linux... - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.76 iD8DBQFG4V/ZtTMYHG2NR9URAlAOAJ9amCjsDAjQ1xzgeeZDlBc3uai+6QCfQurE bXbHqYKsyVNMo3Q/ftv4ssY= =bL2l -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Re: USB IDE disk caddies [Was: Tape Drive for personal usage]
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 The Friday 2007-09-07 at 15:17 +0200, Eberhard Roloff wrote: You'll have to go with an eSATA enclosure My MB doesn't have sata. With e.x. the Dawicontrol DC-154 RAID controller, you will have two external sata ports available and according to what I heard, they run well under Linux. My last free pci port is in use by the new usb 2 card, so a sata card is not an option either. It has to be usb. At least till my PC falls to pieces and I'm forced to replace it :-p - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.76 iD8DBQFG4V+itTMYHG2NR9URAs/XAJ0c2ExrQIsnCF2oCMtXQt/610rotgCglGVm 0KLUQDGYaxZd/bo+tApfWeE= =WNuo -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Editting PATH variable
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Stan Goodman wrote: The system is x86_64 openSuSE v10.2. Previously, it contained jre v1.4.2, and PATH contained the string /usr/lib64/jvm/jre/bin. Recently I updated to jre v1.6.0, and the new PATH string should be /usr/java/jre1.6.0_02/bin (but it remains as before, because I am not clear on how to change it). But then I decided that what I really need is a JDK, so I installed jdk v1.6.0_02. The installer suggested installing in ~/jdk1.6.0_02/bin, and I accepted this. -- I am not uncomfortable with the JDK in the user directory, with a JRE available for anyone else, so the new phrase in PATH should be /usr/java/jre1.6.0_02/bin, and the JDK equivalent should be in the user's PATH. The sources I have found from a Google search indicate that I should change the global PATH variable by editing the file /etc/profile. But when I opened (as root) that file, and searched for the string jre to find the place to edit, I was unable to find it. Moreover, there is a warning at the top of that file telling me that changes in the profile may not survive a system update, which is discouraging. The fact that jre is not found at all is inexplicable to me, since jre is known to be contained in the PATH, and I would like to understand why it isn't present. The 'Net offers much advice on how to add a directory to PATH by the sequence: PATH = $PATH:new string export PATH but seems to ignore completely the question of changing existing directories. How to go about this? The first thing is that Java is a bit special about it handles these things, the system path is usually irrelevant to java. JAVA_HOME is important... as are a few other variables Look at the following /etc/java/java.conf /etc/profile.d/alljava.sh to get an idea of what is happening. I would recommend using the SuSE rpms (particularly on x64 systems) as things are a bit non standard (in a rather elegant manner). - -- == I have always wished that my computer would be as easy to use as my telephone. My wish has come true. I no longer know how to use my telephone. Bjarne Stroustrup == -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFG4V5yasN0sSnLmgIRAqEuAKDjkjJ1Pz2PeX3wwoO9se/Og0JEMACfX6er kWyj67yDymRh4JclR6ujmd0= =kM38 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] FTP download of 10.3 Beta3 DVD ISO
On Fri, 2007-09-07 at 10:01 -0400, Kenneth Schneider wrote: On Fri, 2007-09-07 at 11:20 +0100, Matthew Stringer wrote: Anyone know of where this is available, only sites I've seen offer downloads via BitTorrent which will take ages. http://mirrors.kernel.org/opensuse/distribution/ Should have added... Download the delta iso and use applydeltaiso to the old iso. applydeltaiso old_iso delta_iso new_iso I've been using this method since 10.0, downloads are much quicker and applying the delta is certainly much faster then waiting for the torrents to finish. -- Ken Schneider UNIX since 1989, linux since 1994, SuSE since 1998 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse] Re: [opensuse-gnome] Weird GNOME-related RPM problems
On 07/09/2007, Stanislav Brabec [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Pá, 2007-09-07 at 00:15 -0400, Michel Salim wrote:
I've noticed these related problems on-and-off involving GNOME
packages on openSUSE 10.2:
- on a stock install, gnome-games when queried would list, among
others /var/games/glines.{Large,Medium,Small}.scores -- but the RPM
actually installs /var/games/glines.scores
Good hint. Somebody did not read updating instructions in the spec files
and did not update scriptlets. I'll fix it. Please retest when you will
see changelog entry regarding this problem.
Will do.
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~ rpm -ql gtk2 | grep gdk-pixbuf
/etc/opt/gnome/gtk-2.0/gdk-pixbuf.loaders
/opt/gnome/bin/gdk-pixbuf-query-loaders
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~ ls /etc/opt/gnome/gtk-2.0/*.loaders
ls: cannot access /etc/opt/gnome/gtk-2.0/*.loaders: No such file or
directory
It seems, that while upgrading, it calls old binary instead of
just-installed one.
Strange. It should be done by SuSEconfig (did you installed by YaST or
manually; if manually, did you run it?).
Ah yes. I forgot that! smart is so much faster than YaST or zypper in
10.2 that I've started using it, forgetting the need to run
SuSEconfig.
Maybe gtk2 reported some upgrade error and both instances were kept?
No, I actually tried removing (--nodeps) and then installing it.
So the GTK2 packaging (and gnome-games) actually installs
configuration files, and then a post-install scriptlet *remove* them,
and the files are only reintroduced when the corresponding SuSEconfig
script is run?
Shouldn't rpm -V catch the problem? (It does not in this case)
Thanks,
--
Michel
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Re: [opensuse] USB IDE disk caddies [Was: Tape Drive for personal usage]
* Carlos E. R. [EMAIL PROTECTED] [09-07-07 08:55]: The Friday 2007-09-07 at 08:45 -0400, Ciro Iriarte wrote: You'll have to go with an eSATA enclosure My MB doesn't have sata. MoxNix, smartd doesn't appear to work on my sata drives .. :^( -- Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USAHOG # US1244711 http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 Registered Linux User #207535@ http://counter.li.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] FTP download of 10.3 Beta3 DVD ISO
On Fri, 2007-09-07 at 19:01 +0800, Art Fore wrote: On Fri, 2007-09-07 at 11:20 +0100, Matthew Stringer wrote: Anyone know of where this is available, only sites I've seen offer downloads via BitTorrent which will take ages. Regards Matthew Glad to see that I am not the only who has slow downloads via bittorrent, and you are considerably closer to OpenSuse than I am. (Taiwan) I think it could be useful if it was announced a few days ahead. The we could all start our torrents then the starter pistol fires and be happy. I downloaded the latest beta last weekend and it averaged 300kb or so. Not bad. But it still took a long time. I can understand a policy of torrent only for a certain time after the initial release, when activity should keep the download time reasonable. Does the OpenSUSE torrent track how many systems are downloading? Perhaps, when that dips below some reasonable number, the more direct access can be enabled? BTW, I like lots of what I see in 10.3. Only a few warts. I am going to check the bugzilla and see if I have anything not known. -- Roger Oberholtzer OPQ Systems / Ramböll RST Ramböll Sverige AB Kapellgränd 7 P.O. Box 4205 SE-102 65 Stockholm, Sweden Tel: Int +46 8-615 60 20 Fax: Int +46 8-31 42 23 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse] Editting PATH variable
The system is x86_64 openSuSE v10.2. Previously, it contained jre v1.4.2, and PATH contained the string /usr/lib64/jvm/jre/bin. Recently I updated to jre v1.6.0, and the new PATH string should be /usr/java/jre1.6.0_02/bin (but it remains as before, because I am not clear on how to change it). But then I decided that what I really need is a JDK, so I installed jdk v1.6.0_02. The installer suggested installing in ~/jdk1.6.0_02/bin, and I accepted this. -- I am not uncomfortable with the JDK in the user directory, with a JRE available for anyone else, so the new phrase in PATH should be /usr/java/jre1.6.0_02/bin, and the JDK equivalent should be in the user's PATH. The sources I have found from a Google search indicate that I should change the global PATH variable by editing the file /etc/profile. But when I opened (as root) that file, and searched for the string jre to find the place to edit, I was unable to find it. Moreover, there is a warning at the top of that file telling me that changes in the profile may not survive a system update, which is discouraging. The fact that jre is not found at all is inexplicable to me, since jre is known to be contained in the PATH, and I would like to understand why it isn't present. The 'Net offers much advice on how to add a directory to PATH by the sequence: PATH = $PATH:new string export PATH but seems to ignore completely the question of changing existing directories. How to go about this? -- Stan Goodman Qiryat Tiv'on Israel Idiotic commercials heard on CNN, #3: It's funny how airlines always focus on the big things. To me, it's the little things that are important. -- for Scandinavian Airlines -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] USB IDE disk caddies [Was: Tape Drive for personal usage]
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 The Friday 2007-09-07 at 08:45 -0400, Ciro Iriarte wrote: Somebody knows of an external ide-usb box supporting smart (Self-Monitoring, Analysis and Reporting Technology)? You'll have to go with an eSATA enclosure My MB doesn't have sata. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.76 iD8DBQFG4UoftTMYHG2NR9URAgm7AJ4iG2OcBmcbmCgo1sD16MiYvFbbJACfaLxw y7Q0fkgCI54FlQ3jXbBnQCQ= =zs+t -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] USB IDE disk caddies [Was: Tape Drive for personal usage]
2007/9/7, Carlos E. R. [EMAIL PROTECTED]: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 The Wednesday 2007-09-05 at 20:31 -0400, Jorge Fábregas wrote: Thank you guys for your comments/suggestions. I really appreciate it. I think I'll be considering one of these USB IDE disk caddies. I never thought about them. Yes, I'm starting to use them, too. There is one concern I have about these: they don't support the full IDE standard, meaning that SMART doesn't work. The drive can't be tested. True, smart doesn't always predict failure, but it helps. Somebody knows of an external ide-usb box supporting smart (Self-Monitoring, Analysis and Reporting Technology)? - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. You'll have to go with an eSATA enclosure Regards, Ciro
RE: [opensuse] list cops blaming top posts
It's so sad that your sons no longer have any individuality... :( Note the top post! (AND the dripping sarcasm...) -Original Message- From: Patrick Shanahan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 11:34 AM To: opensuse@opensuse.org Subject: Re: [opensuse] list cops blaming top posts * Stevens [EMAIL PROTECTED] [09-06-07 11:25]: I view the list's messages individually in kmail, not as a newsgroup and not with a threaded view. It matters not to me if someone top posts, bottom posts or inserts comments in the included text. your choice In fairness to those who make the mistake of top posting, many email clients (especially the free ones, like Yahoo mail) put you at the top of any included text when you do a reply to. still choice It takes a bit of effort to invert that order. Also, most, if not all, corporate email exchanges use top posting, so insisting that users bottom post is forcing users to modify their behavior to satisfy the limits of the software (your threading newsgroup stuff). Kind of like going to another country and refusing to observe their customs, use their language, eat their food or commerce with their coin. Like I said above, I don't give a rip one way or the other. I just find it amusing that I can almost set my watch to the time that it takes someone to admonish No top post, please! Almost like refusing to remove your shoes when entering an establishment where that action is required. Please, refuse to recognize accepted standards. It's the way to show that you are you. My sons both acted that way when they were 3-5 :^) -- Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USAHOG # US1244711 http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 Registered Linux User #207535@ http://counter.li.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.485 / Virus Database: 269.13.7/992 - Release Date: 9/6/2007 8:36 AM -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] FTP download of 10.3 Beta3 DVD ISO
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 The Friday 2007-09-07 at 10:07 -0400, Kenneth Schneider wrote: Download the delta iso and use applydeltaiso to the old iso. applydeltaiso old_iso delta_iso new_iso which is also cpu intensive for a long time. I've been using this method since 10.0, downloads are much quicker and applying the delta is certainly much faster then waiting for the torrents to finish. Provided you already have the old_iso, which I don't. Right now, the torrent is incoming at 20 Kb/s, less than my outgoing side. Sometimes it ups to 100KB/s, the maximum my adsl can manage. But it doesn't keep. Ah! A chap from Korea was feeding me with 60KB/s an hour ago. Very nice, considering we are half a world apart... - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.76 iD8DBQFG4WH5tTMYHG2NR9URAoeRAJsE3t5cC90JoMqZM948XDdI5/q7SgCeMF8m ivW0OQAuf0y2XDCNn1tu4tU= =z32S -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] FTP download of 10.3 Beta3 DVD ISO
On Friday 07 September 2007 15:07:58 Kenneth Schneider wrote: On Fri, 2007-09-07 at 10:01 -0400, Kenneth Schneider wrote: On Fri, 2007-09-07 at 11:20 +0100, Matthew Stringer wrote: Anyone know of where this is available, only sites I've seen offer downloads via BitTorrent which will take ages. http://mirrors.kernel.org/opensuse/distribution/ Should have added... Download the delta iso and use applydeltaiso to the old iso. applydeltaiso old_iso delta_iso new_iso I've been using this method since 10.0, downloads are much quicker and applying the delta is certainly much faster then waiting for the torrents to finish. Forgive me, not done this before so the old iso would be a 10.2 DVD ISO or do I need a 10.3 DVD image of some sort to start off with? Regards Matthew -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse] Re: USB IDE disk caddies [Was: Tape Drive for personal usage]
Carlos E. R. wrote: The Friday 2007-09-07 at 08:45 -0400, Ciro Iriarte wrote: Somebody knows of an external ide-usb box supporting smart (Self-Monitoring, Analysis and Reporting Technology)? You'll have to go with an eSATA enclosure My MB doesn't have sata. With e.x. the Dawicontrol DC-154 RAID controller, you will have two external sata ports available and according to what I heard, they run well under Linux. regards Eberhard -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] FTP download of 10.3 Beta3 DVD ISO
On 07/09/2007, Matthew Stringer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Friday 07 September 2007 15:07:58 Kenneth Schneider wrote: On Fri, 2007-09-07 at 10:01 -0400, Kenneth Schneider wrote: On Fri, 2007-09-07 at 11:20 +0100, Matthew Stringer wrote: Anyone know of where this is available, only sites I've seen offer downloads via BitTorrent which will take ages. http://mirrors.kernel.org/opensuse/distribution/ Should have added... Download the delta iso and use applydeltaiso to the old iso. applydeltaiso old_iso delta_iso new_iso I've been using this method since 10.0, downloads are much quicker and applying the delta is certainly much faster then waiting for the torrents to finish. Forgive me, not done this before so the old iso would be a 10.2 DVD ISO or do I need a 10.3 DVD image of some sort to start off with? http://mirrors.kernel.org/opensuse/distribution/10.3-Beta3/iso/delta/ For 10.3-Beta3, deltas are only available from 10.3-Beta2, and 10.3-Beta2 has deltas from 10.3-Beta1. The mirror in question does not carry older ISOs, though, so your best bet would be downloading the full ISO this time and then applying the deltas for RC1 and RC2. Regards, -- Michel -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Is there someone on the list from Santa Rosa, California?
How do, On Fri, 2007-09-07 at 11:03 +0800, Art Fore wrote: If there is anyone on the list from Santa Rosa who would be willing to help out my Ex with her computer, please contact me. It is a Dell Latitude D620 with Suse 10.0. Her problm is that Evolution sometimes does not send email, it just leaves it in the outbox. I remember having the problem before, but an upgrade to Evolution seemed to fix it. I think and upgrade from 10.0 to 10.2 would all that would be necessary, but she is computer illiterate and I am here in Taiwan. She is also, or rather her accountant, is running XP under parallels to use Quickbooks (I tried to get her to use gnucash, but she didn't want to learn it), I believe it is version 2.0 if I remember correctly. It is running fine, but will have to have the parallels-config run as root after the upgrade. She is traveling most weekends, so she could bring the computer by and you could work on it during the weekend if so desired, or she is sometimes gone for a whole week. Would appreciate anyone who could help so she won't want to go back to the lying, thieving, unethical convicted monopolist software again. She does like Suse Linux, he only complaint is she has no one to fix it if something goes wrong like the presebnt situation. She said she had a few people look at it, but they just say it looks nice, but don't have a clue on what to do. Not from Santa Rosa but how bout posting this on the North Bay Linux Users Group mailing list? They're located in Sonoma County and should have some members in Santa Rosa ;-) Web site is, http://nblug.org/ Art taharka Lexington, Kentucky U.S.A. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] USB IDE disk caddies [Was: Tape Drive for personal usage]
On 9/7/07, Patrick Shanahan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: * Carlos E. R. [EMAIL PROTECTED] [09-07-07 08:55]: The Friday 2007-09-07 at 08:45 -0400, Ciro Iriarte wrote: You'll have to go with an eSATA enclosure My MB doesn't have sata. MoxNix, smartd doesn't appear to work on my sata drives .. :^( It really should. Maybe 10.3 will have your issue fixed? Greg -- Greg Freemyer Litigation Triage Solutions Specialist http://www.linkedin.com/in/gregfreemyer The Norcross Group The Intersection of Evidence Technology http://www.norcrossgroup.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] FTP download of 10.3 Beta3 DVD ISO
On Fri, 2007-09-07 at 11:20 +0100, Matthew Stringer wrote: Anyone know of where this is available, only sites I've seen offer downloads via BitTorrent which will take ages. Regards Matthew Glad to see that I am not the only who has slow downloads via bittorrent, and you are considerably closer to OpenSuse than I am. (Taiwan) Art -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] list cops blaming top posts
It's so sad that your sons no longer have any individuality... :( Note the top post! (AND the dripping sarcasm...) I've been around for awhile and have participated in several discussion lists like this one. In most of them, the topic of top-posting vs bottom-posting comes up sooner or later. In many of those, the topic takes on the character of a flame war, some of the discussion lists being destroyed by such wars. In those that survived, not much changed. Some people still top-posted while others still bottom-posted. My point is to be careful with this topic. This is a good list with lots of experienced people helping lots of newbies. Let's not destroy it. Don Henson -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse] FTP download of 10.3 Beta3 DVD ISO
Anyone know of where this is available, only sites I've seen offer downloads via BitTorrent which will take ages. Regards Matthew -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Editting PATH variable
** Reply to message from G T Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] on Fri, 07 Sep 2007 15:21:38 +0100 -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Stan Goodman wrote: The system is x86_64 openSuSE v10.2. Previously, it contained jre v1.4.2, and PATH contained the string /usr/lib64/jvm/jre/bin. Recently I updated to jre v1.6.0, and the new PATH string should be /usr/java/jre1.6.0_02/bin (but it remains as before, because I am not clear on how to change it). But then I decided that what I really need is a JDK, so I installed jdk v1.6.0_02. The installer suggested installing in ~/jdk1.6.0_02/bin, and I accepted this. -- I am not uncomfortable with the JDK in the user directory, with a JRE available for anyone else, so the new phrase in PATH should be /usr/java/jre1.6.0_02/bin, and the JDK equivalent should be in the user's PATH. The sources I have found from a Google search indicate that I should change the global PATH variable by editing the file /etc/profile. But when I opened (as root) that file, and searched for the string jre to find the place to edit, I was unable to find it. Moreover, there is a warning at the top of that file telling me that changes in the profile may not survive a system update, which is discouraging. The fact that jre is not found at all is inexplicable to me, since jre is known to be contained in the PATH, and I would like to understand why it isn't present. The 'Net offers much advice on how to add a directory to PATH by the sequence: PATH = $PATH:new string export PATH but seems to ignore completely the question of changing existing directories. How to go about this? The first thing is that Java is a bit special about it handles these things, the system path is usually irrelevant to java. JAVA_HOME is important... as are a few other variables... So far, I have been using full pathname to call java 1.6.0 to start java applications (because PATH isn't correct for this version, as I said). I would, however, like to make the needed correction, if for no other reason than to shorten the command line in the scripts that call these apps. But I take your point -- the other variables are important. The jre that I installed was indeed installed through YaST from an rpm package: jre-1.6.0_02-fcs, because I find it in YaST's Software Management tool. I do not find the jdk; what is the method I need to use for removing it properly, after which I will try to find the appropriate rpm package? Although I removed the jre v1.4.2 package using YaST, I now find the following two installed packages in Software Management: jre-1_4_2-gci-compat jre-1_4_2-gci-compat.32bit I don't recognize these; shall I remove them, since there is no corresponding jre? Look at the following /etc/java/java.conf /etc/profile.d/alljava.sh to get an idea of what is happening. I would recommend using the SuSE rpms (particularly on x64 systems) as things are a bit non standard (in a rather elegant manner). -- Stan Goodman Qiryat Tiv'on Israel REAL similes/metaphors by high school students; #19: The plan was simple, like my brother-in-law Phil. But unlike Phil, this plan just might work. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] list cops blaming top posts
On 2007/09/07 10:01 (GMT-0700) Chuck Davis apparently typed: I'm an old geezer but have not yet gotten so decrepit that I cannot remember the essence of threads in which I participate. I want replies posted at the top so that I can a) find them easily and b) don't have to wast time scrolling down. Now, if I've forgotten the essence of the thread I can always scroll down to refresh my mind -- which is MY problem, not the other poster's. So I always top post and I want everybody else to top post. You won't get it from this old geezer. I see hundreds of posts from dozens of mailing lists each day. There's no way I'm going to remember the context of some random reply, so I nearly always have to read some quoted material before the reply can have contextual meaning. A: Because it breaks the logical sequence of the discussion. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing on usenet and in e-mail? -- It yet remains a problem to be solved in human affairs, whether any free government can be permanent, where the public worship of God, and the support of religion, constitute no part of the policy or duty of the state in any assignable shape. Chief Justice Joseph Story Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 Felix Miata *** http://mrmazda.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] USB IDE disk caddies [Was: Tape Drive for personal usage]
2007/9/7, Carlos E. R. [EMAIL PROTECTED]: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 The Friday 2007-09-07 at 09:40 -0400, Patrick Shanahan wrote: MoxNix, smartd doesn't appear to work on my sata drives .. :^( Yes, I heard that smart support is not complete yet in linux... - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. S.M.A.R.T works with SATA here, even on my laptop Regards, Ciro -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] list cops blaming top posts
Felix Miata wrote: You won't get it from this old geezer. I see hundreds of posts from dozens of mailing lists each day. There's no way I'm going to remember the context of some random reply, so I nearly always have to read some quoted material before the reply can have contextual meaning. I don't mind top posts at all, because the subject is enough to give me context. The answer is what I want, and quickly. A small snippet of the previous thread, just enough to give context, is optimal, and I don't care too much if it's above or below the answer. What I don't like is having to wade down through the tedious history of a huge series of postings (all of which I've read several times before) just to see a one-line answer buried at the very bottom. Joe -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse] AMD nurtures open-source graphics
AMD is funding Suse Linux programmers at Novell to create the driver, sharing hardware details and providing engineering help, said John Bridgman, program manager and engineering leader for the project. An early incarnation of the driver should be available Monday, and AMD will help programmers gradually expand it with features such as 2D and 3D graphics acceleration. http://news.zdnet.com/2100-3513_22-6206581.html?tag=nl.e539 -- Someone has rightly said, “The poor are better off than the rich. The poor have the illusion that they would be happier if they had more money. The rich know better.” -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] list cops blaming top posts
I'm an old geezer but have not yet gotten so decrepit that I cannot remember the essence of threads in which I participate. I want replies posted at the top so that I can a) find them easily and b) don't have to wast time scrolling down. Now, if I've forgotten the essence of the thread I can always scroll down to refresh my mind -- which is MY problem, not the other poster's. So I always top post and I want everybody else to top post. There, I've come out of the closet! Chuck Davis On 9/7/07, Donald D Henson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's so sad that your sons no longer have any individuality... :( Note the top post! (AND the dripping sarcasm...) I've been around for awhile and have participated in several discussion lists like this one. In most of them, the topic of top-posting vs bottom-posting comes up sooner or later. In many of those, the topic takes on the character of a flame war, some of the discussion lists being destroyed by such wars. In those that survived, not much changed. Some people still top-posted while others still bottom-posted. My point is to be careful with this topic. This is a good list with lots of experienced people helping lots of newbies. Let's not destroy it. Don Henson -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] list cops blaming top posts
What you two think or want is completely irrelevant, for 2 reasons: 1) You are not the moderators of the list 2) The moderator couldnt care less about that topic, it seems But its good you guys send those passionate emails telling what you guys think and stuff, so you can let go with your internal emotions and you will have a better day. Just let go, cry or shout if you feel like too. Then take a deep breath and continue with your life. Marcio --- Druid PS: I top posted and bottom posted this reply so everybody will feel all warm and fuzzy On 9/7/07, Felix Miata [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 2007/09/07 10:01 (GMT-0700) Chuck Davis apparently typed: I'm an old geezer but have not yet gotten so decrepit that I cannot remember the essence of threads in which I participate. I want replies posted at the top so that I can a) find them easily and b) don't have to wast time scrolling down. Now, if I've forgotten the essence of the thread I can always scroll down to refresh my mind -- which is MY problem, not the other poster's. So I always top post and I want everybody else to top post. You won't get it from this old geezer. I see hundreds of posts from dozens of mailing lists each day. There's no way I'm going to remember the context of some random reply, so I nearly always have to read some quoted material before the reply can have contextual meaning. A: Because it breaks the logical sequence of the discussion. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing on usenet and in e-mail? -- It yet remains a problem to be solved in human affairs, whether any free government can be permanent, where the public worship of God, and the support of religion, constitute no part of the policy or duty of the state in any assignable shape. Chief Justice Joseph Story Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 Felix Miata *** http://mrmazda.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] What you two think or want is completely irrelevant, for 2 reasons: 1) You are not the moderators of the list 2) The moderator couldnt care less about that topic, it seems But its good you guys send those passionate emails telling what you guys think and stuff, so you can let go with your internal emotions and you will have a better day. Just let go, cry or shout if you feel like too. Then take a deep breath and continue with your life. Marcio --- Druid PS: I top posted and bottom posted this reply so everybody will feel all warm and fuzzy -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] list cops blaming top posts
Sloan wrote: What I don't like is having to wade down through the tedious history of a huge series of postings (all of which I've read several times before) just to see a one-line answer buried at the very bottom. this is also a very bad action by the poster jdd -- http://www.dodin.net -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] FTP download of 10.3 Beta3 DVD ISO
On Fri, 2007-09-07 at 11:20 +0100, Matthew Stringer wrote: Anyone know of where this is available, only sites I've seen offer downloads via BitTorrent which will take ages. http://mirrors.kernel.org/opensuse/distribution/ -- Ken Schneider UNIX since 1989, linux since 1994, SuSE since 1998 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] list cops blaming top posts
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Chuck Davis wrote: I'm an old geezer but have not yet gotten so decrepit that I cannot remember the essence of threads in which I participate. I want snip This is getting a little out of hand ... This is really to some extent a matter of common sense. This most important thing is to keep the content in some sort of coherent order so others can have a good chances of comprehending what the information is... As an aside there is a rational rather than religious reason that bottom posting is probably a better practise... For written English it is more natural to follow the sequence of responses down the page, it is expected that the last thing written is the most recent thing written... Top posting to be consistent would need to be the a push down stack of replies which is the complete reverse of the way that most western readers readers scan written english,... it effectively makes anything of any substance more difficult to read... (I believe there has been research to that supports this statement). (AFAIK there is no written script which goes bottom to top, right to left, left to right top to bottom are used in various combinations but bottom to top is unknown ..., ) mean. I what ... see you if :-) - -- == I have always wished that my computer would be as easy to use as my telephone. My wish has come true. I no longer know how to use my telephone. Bjarne Stroustrup == -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFG4ZIFasN0sSnLmgIRAjWFAJ4qKuAVz1IZjh/lx4KcmJUuUv+ehACgyp8Z ZGNrJ6gVFCt/IfDXveCRJ8k= =wkAf -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] list cops blaming top posts
On 9/7/07, Sloan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Felix Miata wrote: You won't get it from this old geezer. I see hundreds of posts from dozens of mailing lists each day. There's no way I'm going to remember the context of some random reply, so I nearly always have to read some quoted material before the reply can have contextual meaning. I don't mind top posts at all, because the subject is enough to give me context. The answer is what I want, and quickly. A small snippet of the previous thread, just enough to give context, is optimal, and I don't care too much if it's above or below the answer. What I don't like is having to wade down through the tedious history of a huge series of postings (all of which I've read several times before) just to see a one-line answer buried at the very bottom. Joe Joe, You might want to experiment with gmail. It takes all quoted text and hides it behind a hypertext that says - Show quoted text - most of the time. Then if you need the context you just click on it. I too read hundreds of list based emails a day. I only expand the quoted text a couple times a day (if that). Greg -- Greg Freemyer Litigation Triage Solutions Specialist http://www.linkedin.com/in/gregfreemyer The Norcross Group The Intersection of Evidence Technology http://www.norcrossgroup.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] How to manage 100+ linux boxes?
Hi, Is there a standard way to remotely manage 100+ SUSE boxes? The machines are NLPOS9, which is based on SLES9, which is in turn based on SUSE 9.1. I need a way to remotely administer them, with cheaper solutions being ideal. I'm not sure that there is a standard way. There are different tools. Someone indicated cfengine, which is the oldest of these tools. There is also puppet and bcfg2. I've heard that bcfg2 it's easier than cfengine but never tried it. The problem is having to individually log in and tweak things on 100+ boxes. The administration tasks would be applying security updates, and working with files for custom applications. I believe I can do this with two shell scripts, a control script and a job script. The control script would copy (via scp) and remotely run (via SSH) the job script to a list of servers stored in an ASCII file. Is this the standard way of doing this? Shell scripts are for sure the easiest way to start and there are some scripts around and i thought that NLPOS9 was supposed to do such things completly different. Whats about uploading new image with sec update installed (you can do delta image)? There is also utility to do same basic maintanence utility to configure boxes from AdminServer. NLP is still based on linux, it probably has some specific commands, but I immagine that they should be scriptable. Regards, Gael -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] How to manage 100+ linux boxes?
Dne Wednesday 05 September 2007 17:54:09 Xn Nooby napsal(a): Is there a standard way to remotely manage 100+ SUSE boxes? The machines are NLPOS9, which is based on SLES9, which is in turn based on SUSE 9.1. I need a way to remotely administer them, with cheaper solutions being ideal. The problem is having to individually log in and tweak things on 100+ boxes. The administration tasks would be applying security updates, and working with files for custom applications. I believe I can do this with two shell scripts, a control script and a job script. The control script would copy (via scp) and remotely run (via SSH) the job script to a list of servers stored in an ASCII file. Is this the standard way of doing this? Any suggestions? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] and i thought that NLPOS9 was supposed to do such things completly different. Whats about uploading new image with sec update installed (you can do delta image)? There is also utility to do same basic maintanence utility to configure boxes from AdminServer. Anyway i will be very happy if you share how you are using NLPOS9. It is quite important for me ;) -- Pavel Nemec Software Engineer - SuSE CR, s.r.o. e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Lihovarska 1060/12 tel:+420 284 028 981 190 00 Praha 9 fax:+420 296 542 374 Ceska republika http://www.suse.cz - signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [opensuse] Re: USB IDE disk caddies [Was: Tape Drive for personal usage]
Carlos E. R. wrote: At least till my PC falls to pieces and I'm forced to replace it :-p That can be arranged. ;-) -- Use OpenOffice.org http://www.openoffice.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] FTP download of 10.3 Beta3 DVD ISO
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 The Friday 2007-09-07 at 16:06 +0100, Matthew Stringer wrote: applying the delta is certainly much faster then waiting for the torrents to finish. Forgive me, not done this before so the old iso would be a 10.2 DVD ISO or do I need a 10.3 DVD image of some sort to start off with? Yes, of course. You need the previous iso, ie, 10.3 beta 2. If you have beta 1 you have to apply two deltas in succession. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.76 iD8DBQFG4ZpctTMYHG2NR9URAqOHAJ9FrME5QBfLzmjYWGL4LJMvffCnvACeNWt5 TjEaS4fhYFGBiLxVCLmcIWo= =NU21 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Where can I send corrections for fortune?
Dne Thursday 06 September 2007 11:16:09 Johannes Jowereit napsal(a): Hello, I have discovered a few minor mistakes (double entries/typos) in the fortune program included in openSUSE 10.2. Unfortunately I could not find any information about the author in the package, so can anybody tell me where I can send the corrections? Shall I give them directly to the openSUSE team? You can create bug, add your suggestion and hope that maintainer of fortune will add them to patch. BTW did you try fortune with cows? / All syllogisms have three parts, \ \ therefore this is not a syllogism. / \ ^__^ \ (oo)\___ (__)\ )\/\ ||w | || || Best regards, Johannes Jowereit -- Black holes are where God divided by zero -- Steven Wright -- Pavel Nemec Software Engineer - SuSE CR, s.r.o. e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Lihovarska 1060/12 tel:+420 284 028 981 190 00 Praha 9 fax:+420 296 542 374 Ceska republika http://www.suse.cz - signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [opensuse] Editting PATH variable
** Reply to message from G T Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] on Fri, 07 Sep 2007 15:21:38 +0100 -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Stan Goodman wrote: The system is x86_64 openSuSE v10.2. Previously, it contained jre v1.4.2, and PATH contained the string /usr/lib64/jvm/jre/bin. Recently I updated to jre v1.6.0, and the new PATH string should be /usr/java/jre1.6.0_02/bin (but it remains as before, because I am not clear on how to change it). But then I decided that what I really need is a JDK, so I installed jdk v1.6.0_02. The installer suggested installing in ~/jdk1.6.0_02/bin, and I accepted this. -- I am not uncomfortable with the JDK in the user directory, with a JRE available for anyone else, so the new phrase in PATH should be /usr/java/jre1.6.0_02/bin, and the JDK equivalent should be in the user's PATH. The sources I have found from a Google search indicate that I should change the global PATH variable by editing the file /etc/profile. But when I opened (as root) that file, and searched for the string jre to find the place to edit, I was unable to find it. Moreover, there is a warning at the top of that file telling me that changes in the profile may not survive a system update, which is discouraging. The fact that jre is not found at all is inexplicable to me, since jre is known to be contained in the PATH, and I would like to understand why it isn't present. The 'Net offers much advice on how to add a directory to PATH by the sequence: PATH = $PATH:new string export PATH but seems to ignore completely the question of changing existing directories. How to go about this? The first thing is that Java is a bit special about it handles these things, the system path is usually irrelevant to java. JAVA_HOME is important... as are a few other variables... So far, I have been using full pathname to call java 1.6.0 to start java applications (because PATH isn't correct for this version, as I said). I would, however, like to make the needed correction, if for no other reason than to shorten the command line in the scripts that call these apps. But I take your point -- the other variables are important. The jre that I installed was indeed installed through YaST from an rpm package: jre-1.6.0_02-fcs, because I find it in YaST's Software Management tool. I do not find the jdk; what is the method I need to use for removing it properly, after which I will try to find the appropriate rpm package? Although I removed the jre v1.4.2 package using YaST, I now find the following two installed packages in Software Management: jre-1_4_2-gci-compat jre-1_4_2-gci-compat.32bit I don't recognize these; shall I remove them, since there is no corresponding jre? Look at the following /etc/java/java.conf /etc/profile.d/alljava.sh to get an idea of what is happening. I would recommend using the SuSE rpms (particularly on x64 systems) as things are a bit non standard (in a rather elegant manner). -- Stan Goodman Qiryat Tiv'on Israel REAL similes/metaphors by high school students; #19: The plan was simple, like my brother-in-law Phil. But unlike Phil, this plan just might work. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] list cops blaming top posts
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 The Friday 2007-09-07 at 14:07 -0400, Greg Freemyer wrote: You might want to experiment with gmail. It takes all quoted text and hides it behind a hypertext that says - Show quoted text - most of the time. This has the side effect that when people reply, they forget to remove the extra material, because they don't see it. Bottom posting without removing extra quotes is, IMO, somewhat worse than top posting. And chained top-posting (dozens of old posts, complete, at the bottom) is the worst of all. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.76 iD8DBQFG4Zl2tTMYHG2NR9URAq05AJwOYCF8vSiZplg/rJ1fW6zA2YtLkACeMV5r +x0nMPWzgYwbTV5sW5ZqVA4= =HSyR -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Editting PATH variable
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Stan Goodman wrote: ** Reply to message from G T Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] on Fri, 07 Sep 2007 15:21:38 +0100 -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Stan Goodman wrote: The system is x86_64 openSuSE v10.2. Previously, it contained jre v1.4.2, and PATH contained the string /usr/lib64/jvm/jre/bin. snip but seems to ignore completely the question of changing existing directories. How to go about this? The first thing is that Java is a bit special about it handles these things, the system path is usually irrelevant to java. JAVA_HOME is important... as are a few other variables... So far, I have been using full pathname to call java 1.6.0 to start java applications (because PATH isn't correct for this version, as I said). I would, however, like to make the needed correction, if for no other reason than to shorten the command line in the scripts that call these apps. But I take your point -- the other variables are important. The jre that I installed was indeed installed through YaST from an rpm package: jre-1.6.0_02-fcs, because I find it in YaST's Software Management tool. I do not find the jdk; what is the method I need to use for removing it properly, after which I will try to find the appropriate rpm package? Although I removed the jre v1.4.2 package using YaST, I now find the following two installed packages in Software Management: jre-1_4_2-gci-compat jre-1_4_2-gci-compat.32bit I don't recognize these; shall I remove them, since there is no corresponding jre? Look at the following /etc/java/java.conf /etc/profile.d/alljava.sh to get an idea of what is happening. I would recommend using the SuSE rpms (particularly on x64 systems) as things are a bit non standard (in a rather elegant manner). Firstly with the SuSE Java installation I would have expected a symbolic link from /usr/bin/java to /etc/alternatives/java for later configurations (this is a link into the the java installation tree. This rather hides some of the messy version numbering bits so is largely version tolerant...)... or some such.. The other two are hangovers from 1.4.2 which was only available in a 32bit form... I do not remember seeing any java stuff in the system path in the past on SuSE but I tend to work with Eclipse so this usually well hidden... Java is supposed to be OS agnostic so it carrys around it own environment. ... - -- == I have always wished that my computer would be as easy to use as my telephone. My wish has come true. I no longer know how to use my telephone. Bjarne Stroustrup == -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFG4aYXasN0sSnLmgIRAhpdAKCDVVGNKoNTgGFbXJSnnmpIfcq7BwCfaL41 uewfKh68ZWiTk+IGBh/6BAE= =ixvf -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Editting PATH variable
** Reply to message from G T Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] on Fri, 07 Sep 2007 20:27:20 +0100 -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Stan Goodman wrote: ** Reply to message from G T Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] on Fri, 07 Sep 2007 15:21:38 +0100 -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Stan Goodman wrote: The system is x86_64 openSuSE v10.2. Previously, it contained jre v1.4.2, and PATH contained the string /usr/lib64/jvm/jre/bin. snip but seems to ignore completely the question of changing existing directories. How to go about this? The first thing is that Java is a bit special about it handles these things, the system path is usually irrelevant to java. JAVA_HOME is important... as are a few other variables... So far, I have been using full pathname to call java 1.6.0 to start java applications (because PATH isn't correct for this version, as I said). I would, however, like to make the needed correction, if for no other reason than to shorten the command line in the scripts that call these apps. But I take your point -- the other variables are important. The jre that I installed was indeed installed through YaST from an rpm package: jre-1.6.0_02-fcs, because I find it in YaST's Software Management tool. I do not find the jdk; what is the method I need to use for removing it properly, after which I will try to find the appropriate rpm package? Although I removed the jre v1.4.2 package using YaST, I now find the following two installed packages in Software Management: jre-1_4_2-gci-compat jre-1_4_2-gci-compat.32bit I don't recognize these; shall I remove them, since there is no corresponding jre? Look at the following /etc/java/java.conf /etc/profile.d/alljava.sh to get an idea of what is happening. I would recommend using the SuSE rpms (particularly on x64 systems) as things are a bit non standard (in a rather elegant manner). Firstly with the SuSE Java installation I would have expected a symbolic link from /usr/bin/java to /etc/alternatives/java for later configurations (this is a link into the the java installation tree. This rather hides some of the messy version numbering bits so is largely version tolerant...)... or some such.. The other two are hangovers from 1.4.2 which was only available in a 32bit form... Then I gather that I may remove them, as seemed reasonable. I do not remember seeing any java stuff in the system path in the past on SuSE but I tend to work with Eclipse so this usually well hidden... Java is supposed to be OS agnostic so it carrys around it own environment. ... But at the moment, there are three questions on the practical level, of which two remain problems: 1) The jre was installed where it is by rpm without asking me; it is easy to remove if I choose to do so; this is not a problem. 2) The jdk was installed (foolishly, without thinking) in my home directory, and I really want to remove, and to do so in such a way as not to make more trouble for myself. The Software Management tool is of no help for this. How should I go about removing it, so that I can reinstall from an rpm package? 3) It is possible that the jdk installed by rpm will straighten out the PATH question automatically. I would still like to know how one can revise or remove a directory (i.e. the string between two colons) in the PATH variable. Can someone tell me that? -- Stan Goodman Qiryat Tiv'on Israel Did Ken Starr suffer from Subpoenis Envy? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] list cops blaming top posts
Stevens wrote: Eberhard, and others: I view the list's messages individually in kmail, not as a newsgroup and not with a threaded view. It matters not to me if someone top posts, bottom posts or inserts comments in the included text. In fairness to those who make the mistake of top posting, many email clients (especially the free ones, like Yahoo mail) put you at the top of any included text when you do a reply to. It takes Lots of things take effort... like turning the key before you drive your carsuch a GREAT effort, and yet, millions upon millions of people do it several times each day. I never realized that holding down the [down-arrow] key was such a great effort... By the way, bottom posting also encourages TRIMMING of the previous replies. Every group I've been in which top-posting is the norm, individual messages contain a dozen or more prior postings in each new reply...which, to be frank, provides TOO MUCH history (while, still difficult to follow because it's stacked backwards. a bit of effort to invert that order. Also, most, if not all, corporate email exchanges use top posting, so insisting that users bottom post is forcing users to modify their behavior to satisfy the limits of the software (your threading newsgroup stuff). Like I said above, I don't give a rip one way or the other. I just find it amusing that I can almost set my watch to the time that it takes someone to admonish No top post, please! Fred -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Re: list cops blaming top posts
Stevens wrote: On Thursday 06 September 2007 10:55, Eberhard Roloff wrote: At the same time I am not someone that expects anyone in Italy (where I happened to do some vacation) to understand and speak my language. Instead I struggle hard to meet Italians within their own comfort zone as much as I can. Surprise, this works much better for me. :-))) kind regards Eberhard Also, On Thursday 06 September 2007 10:33 Patrick Shanahan wrote: Almost like refusing to remove your shoes when entering an establishment where that action is required. Please, refuse to recognize accepted standards. It's the way to show that you are you. My sons both acted that way when they were 3-5 :^) = I think that there is a bit of confusion here. On the one hand we talk of standards and on the other speak of accomodation. I submit that the de facto standard is the way that millions of emailers send email, not the way that a miniscule number of newsgroupies do. As far as accomodation, please note that I, in fact, do bottom post. I just don't care if someone else does not. Just because the morons in Redmond set up a stupid default configuration in no way obligates everyone else to follow a stupid example. Especially people on a list such as this-- who, by the very fact that they have installed an operating system, and use it, and it's NOT windows, have demonstrated the required computer proficiency to be able to figure out how to properly reply to an e-mail in a coherent readable manner. As far as removing shoes, I guess it depends on how bad your feet stink and what that does to the taste of the sushi. Sushi's not food... sushi is the bait you use to catch food ;-) Fred -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] list cops blaming top posts
Am Freitag, 7. September 2007 19:33:54 schrieb Druid: PS: I top posted and bottom posted this reply so everybody will feel all warm and fuzzy Unfortunately I just read it after I read the whole Top-Posting - where I had to wonder. So it didn't really help, sorry. Just for the record I didn't take a position in this argue yet, but I can understand the people who don't like Top-Posting. Greetings Michael signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [opensuse] list cops blaming top posts
Carlos E. R. wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 The Friday 2007-09-07 at 14:07 -0400, Greg Freemyer wrote: You might want to experiment with gmail. It takes all quoted text and hides it behind a hypertext that says - Show quoted text - most of the time. This has the side effect that when people reply, they forget to remove the extra material, because they don't see it. Bottom posting without removing extra quotes is, IMO, somewhat worse than top posting. Indeed, for a couple of years, I once did that deliberately with ALL messages to soc.singles, just because the majority of the participants on that newsgroup were assholes. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] list cops blaming top posts
Greg Freemyer wrote: On 9/7/07, Sloan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Felix Miata wrote: You won't get it from this old geezer. I see hundreds of posts from dozens of mailing lists each day. There's no way I'm going to remember the context of some random reply, so I nearly always have to read some quoted material before the reply can have contextual meaning. I don't mind top posts at all, because the subject is enough to give me context. The answer is what I want, and quickly. A small snippet of the previous thread, just enough to give context, is optimal, and I don't care too much if it's above or below the answer. What I don't like is having to wade down through the tedious history of a huge series of postings (all of which I've read several times before) just to see a one-line answer buried at the very bottom. Joe Joe, You might want to experiment with gmail. It takes all quoted text and hides it behind a hypertext that says - Show quoted text - most of the time. Then if you need the context you just click on it. I too read hundreds of list based emails a day. I only expand the quoted text a couple times a day (if that). That's great if you like web-mail, and all of it's attendant slowness associated with synchronous download operation, as opposed to the advantages of asynchronous download operation with normal, workstation-based mailers, in which all messages are downloaded to my computer as soon as they're available. Thus, I can go from message to message with the speed limited only by the 1/4 Gigabyte/second data transfer speeds of my machine's internal data busses, NOT the 1 MB/second or less of my ISP connection (and even WORSE when I was in Baghdad...) It's quite presumptuous to assume that everyone has good network bandwidth. Many participants do not. Greg -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] list cops blaming top posts
There is no moderator, you twit. there is Shut up, you arrogant, stuck-up pompous asshole. Some people on this list (and others) say I'm rude... but it's ONLY towards jerks such as yourself. They mean dumb, ok? Dumb, not rude. Marcio --- Druid -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Editting PATH variable
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Stan Goodman wrote: ** Reply to message from G T Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] on Fri, 07 Sep 2007 20:27:20 +0100 -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 snip But at the moment, there are three questions on the practical level, of which two remain problems: 1) The jre was installed where it is by rpm without asking me; it is easy to remove if I choose to do so; this is not a problem. True.. 2) The jdk was installed (foolishly, without thinking) in my home directory, and I really want to remove, and to do so in such a way as not to make more trouble for myself. The Software Management tool is of no help for this. How should I go about removing it, so that I can reinstall from an rpm package? I am a bit bemused by this... the SuSE install usually puts the JDK in the Java installation tree... Did you install with YaST or with the rpm installation tools? Yast should give you the option to remove it if it was installed via Yast... 3) It is possible that the jdk installed by rpm will straighten out the PATH question automatically. I would still like to know how one can revise or remove a directory (i.e. the string between two colons) in the PATH variable. Can someone tell me that? Here you are talking about modifying the bash profiles... Where you make the changes depends on whether you want the path to change globally or for a particular user, or on login. /etc/profile for system wide configuration ~/.bash_profile ~/.bash_login or ~/.profile) for user login ~/.bashrc for non login shells for a starter these are effectively scripts and some knowledge of BASH scripting is a good idea before attempting to modify these, (and read the BASH documentation). Getting this wrong could make life rather interesting :-) For Java use editing the PATH variable is NOT required... - -- == I have always wished that my computer would be as easy to use as my telephone. My wish has come true. I no longer know how to use my telephone. Bjarne Stroustrup == -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFG4b/HasN0sSnLmgIRAj0pAKCuKQW50IhrJ/22r0xTfrwIASk+mwCdEGCw XGhiHwFd+cQsnpUxxAPhvk8= =TflL -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Smart developers Way OT
On Thursday 06 September 2007 11:22:20 pm Bob S wrote: You see, I am sight impaired and I need pretty large fonts and/or icons. Hi Bob, besides Ctrl-Alt-Plus (I use one on numeric keyboard) to change resolution there is Ctrl-Plus to increase font sizes in browsers. -- Regards, Rajko. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] FTP download of 10.3 Beta3 DVD ISO
On Fri, 2007-09-07 at 19:01 +0800, Art Fore wrote: On Fri, 2007-09-07 at 11:20 +0100, Matthew Stringer wrote: Anyone know of where this is available, only sites I've seen offer downloads via BitTorrent which will take ages. Regards Matthew Glad to see that I am not the only who has slow downloads via bittorrent, and you are considerably closer to OpenSuse than I am. (Taiwan) Art Just noticed that torrent is horrible slow. a couple of days ago i could get beta-2 at 24Mbps, but beta-3 crawls at 200kbps. I just have to sleep over it ;-) Hans -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] list cops blaming top posts
Am Freitag, 7. September 2007 22:46:22 schrieb Aaron Kulkis: Bottom posting without removing extra quotes is, IMO, somewhat worse than top posting. Indeed, for a couple of years, I once did that deliberately with ALL messages to soc.singles, just because the majority of the participants on that newsgroup were assholes. Afaik it's something different on newsgroups! Where an answer can arrive before the original post. It's not the same as a ML ;) Greetings signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [opensuse] Editting PATH variable
** Reply to message from G T Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] on Fri, 07 Sep 2007 22:16:55 +0100 -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Stan Goodman wrote: ** Reply to message from G T Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] on Fri, 07 Sep 2007 20:27:20 +0100 -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 snip But at the moment, there are three questions on the practical level, of which two remain problems: 1) The jre was installed where it is by rpm without asking me; it is easy to remove if I choose to do so; this is not a problem. True.. 2) The jdk was installed (foolishly, without thinking) in my home directory, and I really want to remove, and to do so in such a way as not to make more trouble for myself. The Software Management tool is of no help for this. How should I go about removing it, so that I can reinstall from an rpm package? I am a bit bemused by this... the SuSE install usually puts the JDK in the Java installation tree... Did you install with YaST or with the rpm installation tools? Yast should give you the option to remove it if it was installed via Yast... No. The foolishly, without thinking was that I did NOT install with YaST; if I had, the answer to (2) would have been the same as for (1), and no problem would exist. What is a safe way to remove the jdk, given that YaST is of no help? 3) It is possible that the jdk installed by rpm will straighten out the PATH question automatically. I would still like to know how one can revise or remove a directory (i.e. the string between two colons) in the PATH variable. Can someone tell me that? Here you are talking about modifying the bash profiles... Where you make the changes depends on whether you want the path to change globally or for a particular user, or on login. I would like to understand both the global and user-only cases. For each of these, I am most interested in producing a permanent change that will survive reboot, so what you have called on logon. /etc/profile for system wide configuration ~/.bash_profile ~/.bash_login or ~/.profile) for user login ~/.bashrc for non login shells For the user login case, one can use any of the three you mention? Are these aliases for a single file? for a starter these are effectively scripts and some knowledge of BASH scripting is a good idea before attempting to modify these, (and read the BASH documentation). Getting this wrong could make life rather interesting :-) For Java use editing the PATH variable is NOT required... As I have said, I am currently operating successfully with an incorrect PATH variable. But that means that I have to specify the full pathname for the java executable, whereas if the PATH were correct, I could just call it java. There is no difference between Java and any other executable -- one either specifies full pathname, or needs to have a correct pointer in PATH.. I too am bemused. I think the insistence that the PATH is irrelevant comes because you are thinking of the various java apps one might be using, rather than the java executable. I am thinking of the latter alone, and PATH is convenient, if not necessary. -- Stan Goodman Qiryat Tiv'on Israel From REAL answers on children's science examinations (#5): Q: What causes the tides in the oceans? A: The tides are a fight between the Earth and the Moon. All water tends to flow towards the moon, because there is no water on the moon, and nature hates a vacuum. I forget where the sun joins in this fight. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] list cops blaming top posts
Michael Skiba wrote: Am Freitag, 7. September 2007 22:46:22 schrieb Aaron Kulkis: Bottom posting without removing extra quotes is, IMO, somewhat worse than top posting. Indeed, for a couple of years, I once did that deliberately with ALL messages to soc.singles, just because the majority of the participants on that newsgroup were assholes. Afaik it's something different on newsgroups! Where an answer can arrive before the original post. It's not the same as a ML ;) Out-of-order delivery happens on mailing lists, too. I notice it frequently (several times/week) Greetings -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] list cops blaming top posts
Really? Then why wasn't my previous post moderated out? Who knows? Maybe you will receive an email soon... You are a living proof that we shouldnt let kids post in the list heh Marcio --- druid -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Editting PATH variable
On Friday 07 September 2007 15:13, Stan Goodman wrote: ... As I have said, I am currently operating successfully with an incorrect PATH variable. But that means that I have to specify the full pathname for the java executable, whereas if the PATH were correct, I could just call it java. There is no difference between Java and any other executable -- one either specifies full pathname, or needs to have a correct pointer in PATH.. I too am bemused. I think the insistence that the PATH is irrelevant comes because you are thinking of the various java apps one might be using, rather than the java executable. I am thinking of the latter alone, and PATH is convenient, if not necessary. Have you consulted the manual page for update-alternatives? I believe it may offer you the control you require. -- Stan Goodman Randall Schulz -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] list cops blaming top posts
Druid wrote: [Druid's assertion that the list is moderated (deleted by Druid)] Really? Then why wasn't my previous post moderated out? Who knows? Maybe you will receive an email soon... You are a living proof that we shouldnt let kids post in the list heh So in other words, your thesis (that this list has an active moderator) is disproved by reality. So long, and thank you for playing. We have some nice parting gifts... Marcio --- druid -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] list cops blaming top posts
So in other words, your thesis (that this list has an active moderator) is disproved by reality. So long, and thank you for playing. We have some nice parting gifts... whatever makes your little heart happy, my dear -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] list cops blaming top posts
And next time you are in need of attention, just call your mom. Remember: she has an obligation of hearing your pathetic bla bla bla. We dont. On 9/7/07, Aaron Kulkis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Druid wrote: [Druid's assertion that the list is moderated (deleted by Druid)] Really? Then why wasn't my previous post moderated out? Who knows? Maybe you will receive an email soon... You are a living proof that we shouldnt let kids post in the list heh So in other words, your thesis (that this list has an active moderator) is disproved by reality. So long, and thank you for playing. We have some nice parting gifts... Marcio --- druid -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Is there someone on the list from Santa Rosa, California?
On Fri, 2007-09-07 at 11:41 -0400, taharka wrote: How do, On Fri, 2007-09-07 at 11:03 +0800, Art Fore wrote: If there is anyone on the list from Santa Rosa who would be willing to help out my Ex with her computer, please contact me. It is a Dell Latitude D620 with Suse 10.0. Her problm is that Evolution sometimes does not send email, it just leaves it in the outbox. I remember having the problem before, but an upgrade to Evolution seemed to fix it. I think and upgrade from 10.0 to 10.2 would all that would be necessary, but she is computer illiterate and I am here in Taiwan. She is also, or rather her accountant, is running XP under parallels to use Quickbooks (I tried to get her to use gnucash, but she didn't want to learn it), I believe it is version 2.0 if I remember correctly. It is running fine, but will have to have the parallels-config run as root after the upgrade. She is traveling most weekends, so she could bring the computer by and you could work on it during the weekend if so desired, or she is sometimes gone for a whole week. Would appreciate anyone who could help so she won't want to go back to the lying, thieving, unethical convicted monopolist software again. She does like Suse Linux, he only complaint is she has no one to fix it if something goes wrong like the presebnt situation. She said she had a few people look at it, but they just say it looks nice, but don't have a clue on what to do. Not from Santa Rosa but how bout posting this on the North Bay Linux Users Group mailing list? They're located in Sonoma County and should have some members in Santa Rosa ;-) Web site is, http://nblug.org/ Art taharka Lexington, Kentucky U.S.A. Thanks for the suggestion, I hadn't thought of that. Art -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] list cops blaming top posts
Druid wrote: There is no moderator, you twit. there is Then why wasn't my previous posting moderated out? Shut up, you arrogant, stuck-up pompous asshole. Some people on this list (and others) say I'm rude... but it's ONLY towards jerks such as yourself. They mean dumb, ok? Dumb, not rude. Look in the mirror. Marcio --- Druid -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] list cops blaming top posts
On 9/7/07, Aaron Kulkis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Druid wrote: There is no moderator, you twit. there is Then why wasn't my previous posting moderated out? Dunno, maybe the guy is sleeping or something. Some people have life. That said, there are far too many idiots in the planet, dont feel all special, cause you are not, Doh Marcio -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Editting PATH variable
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Stan Goodman wrote: ** Reply to message from G T Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] on Fri, 07 Sep 2007 22:16:55 +0100 -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Stan Goodman wrote: ** Reply to message from G T Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] on Fri, 07 Sep 2007 20:27:20 +0100 2) The jdk was installed (foolishly, without thinking) in my home directory, snip No. The foolishly, without thinking was that I did NOT install with YaST; if I had, the answer to (2) would have been the same as for (1), and no problem would exist. What is a safe way to remove the jdk, given that YaST is of no help? Therefore I assume that you installed with rpm without running the SuSEconfig script ... uninstalling with rpm should remove the package without any problems... not knowing what you options you used to install I would refer to the rpm manpage for the appropriate options to uninstall... snip Here you are talking about modifying the bash profiles... Where you make the changes depends on whether you want the path to change globally or for a particular user, or on login. I would like to understand both the global and user-only cases. For each of these, I am most interested in producing a permanent change that will survive reboot, so what you have called on logon. /etc/profile for system wide configuration This is the system wide profile... there are other scripts in profile.d that are used, it is called before... ~/.bash_profile ~/.bash_login or ~/.profile) for user login (Actually, these are not aliases so much as alternates, the shell searches for these files in that order... a login shell is the initial login prompt shell)...Different distros do vary a bit on this.. or ~/.bashrc for non login shells which is used for further instances of the shell. These are related to settings in /etc/sysconfig.. in most cases user modifications should placed in profile.local (read docs for more detail than really be given in an email). I will repeat it is not a good idea to make changes to these unless you have a good knowledge of bash/sh, if you do wish to experiment use a local settings in a test account. If your unfamiliar with Bash a good book is 'Learning the Bash Shell' by Newham and Rosenblatt. There is also a bash guide somewhere in the user documentation (cant for the life of me remember where should be at the moment)... for a starter these are effectively scripts and some knowledge of BASH scripting is a good idea before attempting to modify these, (and read the BASH documentation). Getting this wrong could make life rather interesting :-) For Java use editing the PATH variable is NOT required... As I have said, I am currently operating successfully with an incorrect PATH variable. But that means that I have to specify the full pathname for the Once you have loaded the java instance it does not care.. If you have a close look at the bin directories you will come across links to things in other directories... The standard path finds the link and then executes the program.. simple... The SuSE rpm sets up this link ... There is Randalls interesting suggestion which I had not heard any references to before (which is something new to explore :-) ). If you really are worried about having the path include the location of the java directory then invoke java with a script that sets appropriate path changes then calls java ... - -- == I have always wished that my computer would be as easy to use as my telephone. My wish has come true. I no longer know how to use my telephone. Bjarne Stroustrup == -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFG4eK4asN0sSnLmgIRAsdzAJ90rbsZWxs0ZWK1qYzjutYlmxaVTQCg2jRd ZKWueZ/1xmiNy16l8jBof70= =Ufya -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse] hiring linux sysadmin?
Would this list be an appropriate place to post a job req for a Sysadmin? Thanks, Joel -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] hiring linux sysadmin?
JJB wrote: Would this list be an appropriate place to post a job req for a Sysadmin? Thanks, Sure, if it's an admin job for suse linux servers - Joe -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Editting PATH variable
On 09/08/2007 06:13 AM, Stan Goodman wrote: I too am bemused. I think the insistence that the PATH is irrelevant comes because you are thinking of the various java apps one might be using, rather than the java executable. I am thinking of the latter alone, and PATH is convenient, if not necessary. I believe you are confusing PATH with the links SUSE uses for java. Please check, in a console as root, update-alternatives --help, which will give you some good help in understanding the equivalent of PATH for java. Try update-alternatives --display java to get an idea of all that is involved. You had problems because you installed a fedora rpm instead of a SUSE. -- Joe Morris Registered Linux user 231871 running openSUSE 10.2 x86_64 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
