Re: [opensuse] 10.2 is turning into a nightmare
On Tue, 2007-02-13 at 08:02 -0800, Kai Ponte wrote: I realized my desktop needed to update some apps so I took some screenshots. Kai, Thanks for taking the time to post those. I am very interested now to try this out. Bryan -- *** Powered by Fedora Linux 6 Gnome 2.16.0 Evolution 2.8.0 This is a Microsoft-free computer Bryan S. Tyson [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] 10.2 is turning into a nightmare
On Sun, 2007-02-11 at 19:13 -0800, J Sloan wrote: all systems here are running better than any previous release of linux I've tried. I think it runs just fine. I have no complaints about how it runs. My objection is that to install one measly package takes so long I have to go away and do something else while it scans the repositories. How do you set it up so that packages can be installed in a normal length of time? And why does it not come that way by default? Thank you. Bryan -- *** Powered by Fedora Linux 6 Gnome 2.16.0 Evolution 2.8.0 This is a Microsoft-free computer Bryan S. Tyson [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] 10.2 is turning into a nightmare
On Sun, 2007-02-11 at 19:16 -0800, Ben Kevan wrote: Maybe they will start doing Gold Mastered versions of all openSuSE versions about 1/2 way through it's lifetime . Ben, You missed the point. I am not saying don't have updates. I am saying why doesn't OpenSuse have a package system that works. Mepis, Kubuntu, Mandriva, Fedora update time: 1-15 minutes. OpenSuse update time: 60-90 minutes. I am currently running all of these, so I know the times. (Except OpenSuse, which was way too slow to keep using.) If I want to add a new package on any of the systems listed above, I can have it downloaded and installed in 20 minutes tops, usually more like 5 minutes. With OpenSuse, after 20 minutes, the repositories are about 33-50% scanned. Bryan -- *** Powered by Fedora Linux 6 Gnome 2.16.0 Evolution 2.8.0 This is a Microsoft-free computer Bryan S. Tyson [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] More 10.2 nightmares
On Sun, 2007-02-11 at 21:33 -0600, Rajko M. wrote: BTW, giving opinion about openSUSE as Mandriva user is IMHO somewhat displaced on this list. Mandriva, Mepis, Kubuntu, and Fedora, to name a few that I am personally using right now, have a usable, effective package management system. By usable and effective I mean it does not require the user to wait 60 minutes every time one wishes to add a package. I used Suse from 6.0 through 9.2. I used to call Suse the Cadillac of Linux distros. For all those years, package management was great. What happened? I am involuntarily a non-OpenSuse user until it has a decent package system. Bryan -- *** Powered by Fedora Linux 6 Gnome 2.16.0 Evolution 2.8.0 This is a Microsoft-free computer Bryan S. Tyson [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Maximum tar file size
On Sun, 2007-02-11 at 23:51 -0500, Bryan S. Tyson wrote: If your slices are up to 2 GB, you can burn them to CD with ISO filesystem. If your slices are larger than 2 GB, when you begin burning in K3b, check Generate UDF structures on the Filesystem tab. In the above statement, replace CD with DVD. Bryan -- *** Powered by Fedora Linux 6 Gnome 2.16.0 Evolution 2.8.0 This is a Microsoft-free computer Bryan S. Tyson [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] 10.2 is turning into a nightmare
On Sun, 2007-02-11 at 21:18 -0800, Ben Kevan wrote: IMO SuSE is a great distro and is only getting more mature with Novell's growing experience in the Open Source market. I myself run SLED 10 and OpenSuSE 10.2 (and previously 9.2, 9.3, 10.0 and even the crippled 10.1). So what were your reasons I have only one reason: the excruciatingly slow package management system. Overall, OpenSuse is very nice. However, it does not matter how nice it is if one must wait half an hour or an hour every time one does anything with packages. In my opinion, if the package system is unusable, the distro is unusable. Strange, I used Suse from 6.0-9.2 and the package system was great for all those years. Why did the developers decide it had to be changed? Do they not realize how much worse it is than it used to be, and worse than practically every other distro? Bryan -- *** Powered by Fedora Linux 6 Gnome 2.16.0 Evolution 2.8.0 This is a Microsoft-free computer Bryan S. Tyson [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] umount automounted media
On Mon, 2007-02-12 at 11:53 +, Francesco Scaglioni wrote: Is there a cli way of doing the same thing if you are not running konq or kde ? Yes (you might have to be root to do this): umount /mnt/thumbdrive (where /mnt/thumbdrive represents whatever mount point you are using) Bryan -- *** Powered by Fedora Linux 6 Gnome 2.16.0 Evolution 2.8.0 This is a Microsoft-free computer Bryan S. Tyson [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Re: 10.2 is turning into a nightmare - ps
On Mon, 2007-02-12 at 09:24 -0800, Kai Ponte wrote: Keep in mind that WinXP - by default - hides the BSOD from you, unless you change a setting to show the blue screen. I did not know that! When there is a BSOD but it is hidden, what happens to the computer, or what does the screen look like? What does the user experience, a frozen system? Where is the setting to unhide the BSOD? Bryan -- *** Powered by Fedora Linux 6 Gnome 2.16.0 Evolution 2.8.0 This is a Microsoft-free computer Bryan S. Tyson [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Re: 10.2 is turning into a nightmare - ps
On Mon, 2007-02-12 at 13:24 -0500, James Knott wrote: Example http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=2007020819534335 If anyone has not seen these yet, you really should. They are long but entertaining, and at times they are surprisingly funny. http://iowaconsumercase.org/lc-8.html Bryan -- *** Powered by Fedora Linux 6 Gnome 2.16.0 Evolution 2.8.0 This is a Microsoft-free computer Bryan S. Tyson [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] 10.2 is turning into a nightmare
On Mon, 2007-02-12 at 13:07 -0700, Don Raboud wrote: Just for clarity, in 10.2 you can choose from several package management systems. Under YaST-Software Management-Patterns both Enterprise Software Management (ZENworks Linux Management) and openSUSE Software Management are available.The first one is essentially the same as from 10.1 and I agree with you it is still ridiculously slow. However I've found the openSUSE Software Management choice works quite well and is *much* faster than ZEN and friends. Don, Thank you for this information. You are correct, I took the default. In fact, I did not clearly understand this choice. I am definitely open to trying it again with openSUSE Software Management. Bryan -- *** Powered by Fedora Linux 6 Gnome 2.16.0 Evolution 2.8.0 This is a Microsoft-free computer Bryan S. Tyson [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] 10.2 is turning into a nightmare
On Mon, 2007-02-12 at 12:12 -0800, Kai Ponte wrote: SMART rox! I have it running on three systems and have no complaints. Does this mean you use smart instead of yast? Or does it somehow supplement yast? Thank you. Bryan -- *** Powered by Fedora Linux 6 Gnome 2.16.0 Evolution 2.8.0 This is a Microsoft-free computer Bryan S. Tyson [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] More 10.2 nightmares
On Mon, 2007-02-12 at 16:39 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Did you have a question as to why Suse 10.2 isn't running on your system? I know why it is not running on my system: because I blew it away and put Mandriva on that system instead. My question was why the package system was appallingly slow. Don explained that in Yast there is a choice between enterprise package management and opensuse package management, and the default, enterprise, is the slow one. Now I am ready to try it again. Bryan -- *** Powered by Fedora Linux 6 Gnome 2.16.0 Evolution 2.8.0 This is a Microsoft-free computer Bryan S. Tyson [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Error occurred while creating the catalog - Unknown error: unable to copy media directory
On Wed, 2007-02-07 at 09:46 +0100, robermann wrote: Error occurred while creating the catalog. cd://?devices=/dev/hdc,/dev/hdd Unknown error: unable to copy media directory to /var/tmp/TmpDir.j4jPSa/MEDIA I got that error repeatedly when trying to install 10.2. After downloading the iso twice from 2 different locations, I gave up and ordered it from Linux Central. Strange, since any other distro I download seems to work on the first try. This includes Mepis, Kubuntu, Mandriva, and Fedora. Bryan *** Powered by Fedora Linux 6 Gnome 2.16.0 Evolution 2.8.0 This is a Microsoft-free computer Bryan S. Tyson [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Installation methods
On Wed, 2007-02-07 at 08:20 -0500, James Knott wrote: You can't run a program from the directory it's in. That seems to be a UNIX no-no. Back up one directory, and run the command with /directory/install...etc. I know it's goofy, but that's UNIX--and Linux. In this case, the directory is /username. You don't have to change to another directory. you just have to precede the name with ./. Most here know this, but in case anyone does not, . stands for the current directory. So you are giving it the path without having to type it out entirely. Bryan -- *** Powered by Fedora Linux 6 Gnome 2.16.0 Evolution 2.8.0 This is a Microsoft-free computer Bryan S. Tyson [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Error occurred while creating the catalog - Unknown error: unable to copy media directory
On Wed, 2007-02-07 at 15:38 +0100, robermann wrote: And did the new ordered DVD work? Yes! Unfortunately, although I thought it was generally nice, I was so disappointed by the excruciatingly slow package manager, after less than a week I ended up replacing Suse with Mandriva on that computer. To me, it does not matter how nice the rest of the system is when the package system is that bad. Bryan *** Powered by Fedora Linux 6 Gnome 2.16.0 Evolution 2.8.0 This is a Microsoft-free computer Bryan S. Tyson [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
