Re: [opensuse] Re: [os] New Printer Info
Hello, On Oct 24 15:10 Martin Nopola wrote (shortened): I went with the HP vote a month ago and bought an HPLaserjet1018 from Tigerdirect for $130 without checking the driver situation. Much to my surprise the HP website said they don't support Linux. Why much to your surprise when you didn't check the driver situation for such a cheap (laser)-printer? Do you really think you can get more back than you give away? Sometimes you may have luck but in general of course not. The manufacturer, the vendor and all who are involved before you get it (or after you got it via expensive supplies), know how to cut away their portion (and companies who don't know die out). But much to your surprise even this cheap piece of crap is meanwhile supported by HPLIP version 2.7.10, see http://hplip.sourceforge.net/supported_devices/laser.html There is a new LJZjsMono device class for ZJStream printers. ZJStream printers require JBIG which has patent issues, see https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=263181 Therefore the support for ZJStream printers can be provided only via a binary-only plugin which is downloaded by hp-setup from the HP web-site only after the user has accepted the license terms. This patent/license stuff was the reason why the HPLIP people at HP needed so much longer to get even such crap to work with a driver and operating system where the basic idea behind is freedom (like in free speech). I don't have a ZJStream printer to test it on my own so that I don't know if it really works. If you have at least Suse Linux 10.1: I provide for testing HPLIP 2.7.10 for the released openSUSE 10.3, openSUSE 10.2, Suse Linux 10.1, Suse Linux Enterprise 10 (SLE 10), and for the openSUSE development version openSUSE factory for 32-bit Intel compatible (i586) and 64-bit AMD (x86_64) via the openSUSE build service at http://software.opensuse.org/download/home:/jsmeix/ The packages are * only for testing * without any guarantee or warranty * without any support As an extreme example, this means that if your complete computer center crashes because of these packages, it is only your problem. Nevertheless, I am very interested in your feedback because the more people test it, the more problems (even hidden problems) are revealed. If you find a problem and you think it is not a general HPLIP issue but a Novell/Suse-specific issue, please follow the instructions in http://en.opensuse.org/Submitting_Bug_Reports and http://en.opensuse.org/Bug_Reporting_FAQ how to send me feedback or bug reports via the openSUSE Bugzilla. Choose the component Printing (also for scanning/faxing with HPLIP). Make it obvious which package, which package version, which hardware architecture and which openSUSE version you are talking about, e.g.: Feedback regarding hplip-2.7.10-19.1.i586.rpm and hplip-hpijs-2.7.10-19.1.i586.rpm from http://software.opensuse.org/download/home:/jsmeix/ for openSUSE 10.3 used on 64-bit AMD hardware. Ideally provide also the rpm -q --changelog hplip | head output to make it unambiguous which exact package release you have. The openSUSE Bugzilla is a bug tracking system but no support forum. This means that my packages are in any case without any support. Some special notes reagarding my packages: We (i.e. Novell/Suse) provide /etc/udev/rules.d/55-hpmud.rules with a changed file owner setting than in HP's original. We changed the owner from lp to root to avoid that the permissions can be changed by any CUPS filter or backend because both run usually as user lp. For more details regarding my current packages, see http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/message.php?msg_name=Pine.LNX.4.64.0707040850200.22081%40nelson.suse.de Kind Regards Johannes Meixner -- SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, Maxfeldstrasse 5, 90409 Nuernberg, Germany AG Nuernberg, HRB 16746, GF: Markus Rex -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Re: [os] New Printer Info
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 The Thursday 2007-10-25 at 09:20 +0200, Johannes Meixner wrote: On Oct 24 15:10 Martin Nopola wrote (shortened): I went with the HP vote a month ago and bought an HPLaserjet1018 from Tigerdirect for $130 without checking the driver situation. Much to my surprise the HP website said they don't support Linux. Why much to your surprise when you didn't check the driver situation for such a cheap (laser)-printer? Maybe he thought that all HP printers were supported. I wasn't aware that some are and some are not, too. It's a lesson for us all: check before we buy, don't assume it will work in linux just because some other hardware from the same brand works. And even when we check we are bitten: I got a haupauge 1300 tvcard and it doesn't fully work, for instance. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.76 iD8DBQFHIGSotTMYHG2NR9URAsNyAKCRakwg4Te/XmHMDVOATMq9UaK1UQCghk2f XqPOdquyi/sRGPWZz0CJEEk= =j7Le -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Re: [os] New Printer Info
Hello, On Oct 25 11:40 Carlos E. R. wrote (shortened): It's a lesson for us all: check before we buy, don't assume it will work in linux just because some other hardware from the same brand works. And even when we check we are bitten: I got a haupauge 1300 tvcard and it doesn't fully work, for instance. There are shops/dealers who take it back if it doesn't work for Linux (and give it away for those other operating systems for which the manufacturer provides his non-free drivers ;-) Of course via such dealers it is usually a bit more expensive than in an arbitrary shop. By the way: Sometimes it happens that the manufacturer changes the internal stuff of a piece of hardware (chips, firmware, ...) a bit so that the new series is not fully backward compatible, see for example the entry regarding the Artec Ultima 2000 scanners at http://www.sane-project.org/sane-mfgs.html --- Ultima 2000 USB 0x05d8/0x4002: Good. Works, only product id 0x4002 is supported Ultima 2000 USB 0x05d8/0x4001: Unsupported. Same name, but different ids: This scanner is not supported. The scanner with product id 0x4002 is supported by the gt68xx backend, however. --- In the above example the manufacturer changed the USB ID but I think there are also even worse examples where the hardware changed in a non-compatible way under the same IDs. It is practically impossible for a normal user to be safe against such pitfalls which are set up by the manufacturers. Kind Regards Johannes Meixner -- SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, Maxfeldstrasse 5, 90409 Nuernberg, Germany AG Nuernberg, HRB 16746, GF: Markus Rex -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Re: [os] New Printer Info
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 The Thursday 2007-10-25 at 12:15 +0200, Johannes Meixner wrote: On Oct 25 11:40 Carlos E. R. wrote (shortened): It's a lesson for us all: check before we buy, don't assume it will work in linux just because some other hardware from the same brand works. And even when we check we are bitten: I got a haupauge 1300 tvcard and it doesn't fully work, for instance. There are shops/dealers who take it back if it doesn't work for Linux (and give it away for those other operating systems for which the manufacturer provides his non-free drivers ;-) Of course via such dealers it is usually a bit more expensive than in an arbitrary shop. True. But not available everywhere or for all products... cards, for instance, are not usually covered where I bought it. By the way: Sometimes it happens that the manufacturer changes the internal stuff of a piece of hardware (chips, firmware, ...) a bit so that the new series is not fully backward compatible, see for example ... In the above example the manufacturer changed the USB ID but I think there are also even worse examples where the hardware changed in a non-compatible way under the same IDs. It is practically impossible for a normal user to be safe against such pitfalls which are set up by the manufacturers. That's a very nasty trick! :-( And I think that may have happened to me with my card (different tuner). - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.76 iD8DBQFHIH0StTMYHG2NR9URAkT9AJ4tGQ2q/i3sTlAhXxbPMU6lQxUi5gCeLQrB rjo7o8yaccr2NgKyX2F5UWE= =FcnP -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse] Re: [os] New Printer Info
On Tuesday 23 October 2007 19:19, Doug McGarrett wrote: On Tuesday 23 October 2007 06:06, G T Smith wrote: Dennis J. Tuchler wrote: I would go with the HP vote... all in one if the budget can take the strain so if you have access to a black and white laser printer, and it works with your OS, it will be a lot cheaper to print things. I went with the HP vote a month ago and bought an HPLaserjet1018 from Tigerdirect for $130 without checking the driver situation. Much to my surprise the HP website said they don't support Linux. I found a site www.linuxprinting.org that has drivers for that series. After five hours of rereading the instructions I got it to work. I make beautiful copies of music from Lilypond. Suse 10.0. Marty -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
