Re: SPAM: Re: SPAM: Re: [opensuse] SPAM: Novell MS Deal
On 11/4/06, Frank Babies <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi Andreas, Am Samstag, 4. November 2006 13:17 schrieb Andreas Hanke: > Miguel Angel Alvarez schrieb: > > [...] > > All this stuff resembles a similarly *censored* "1+1=2"-style > discussion we had recently, and it's similarly useful: We're just > stuffing the mailing list archive with self-made junk here, > that's it. > > If people want to go, do it: Go away, no problem ;-) Experience > shows that most of the "this is so disgusting, I'll go > away"-thinking users come back again when they realize that there > was no reason to do so. And even if they don't, there are enough > other users and there are new users every day. The sound is like the same as OS/2 same Years before. The future will show it. I totally agree! I'm so fed up that I've herded all my computers into my backyard and I'm having a bonfire within the hour. The future of open source is over and Novell are the ones responsible. Look at that! It's a horizon full of beautiful Vistas and their patent-wielding bedmates. Regards Frank - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
SPAM: Re: SPAM: Re: [opensuse] SPAM: Novell MS Deal
Hi Andreas, Am Samstag, 4. November 2006 13:17 schrieb Andreas Hanke: > Miguel Angel Alvarez schrieb: > > [...] > > All this stuff resembles a similarly *censored* "1+1=2"-style > discussion we had recently, and it's similarly useful: We're just > stuffing the mailing list archive with self-made junk here, > that's it. > > If people want to go, do it: Go away, no problem ;-) Experience > shows that most of the "this is so disgusting, I'll go > away"-thinking users come back again when they realize that there > was no reason to do so. And even if they don't, there are enough > other users and there are new users every day. The sound is like the same as OS/2 same Years before. The future will show it. Regards Frank - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] SPAM: Novell MS Deal
On 11/4/06, Andreas Hanke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Nobody gets what "this" deal is about, but you already know that it forces you to stop using the distribution. Highly interesting. The problem seems to be the more one learns the worse it gets. The issue for many I think, is that SUSE is now part of the Microsoft FUD machine, and no details of any deal will or can change this. Having Steve Balmer threatening other Linux distros and users using SUSE as leverage, sure leaves a bad taste in the mouth. 'The distributors of other versions of Linux cannot assure their customers that Microsoft won't sue for patent infringement. "If a customer says, 'Look, do we have liability for the use of your patented work?' Essentially, If you're using non-SUSE Linux, then I'd say the answer is yes," Ballmer said.' from eWeek http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,2050848,00.asp?kc=EWEWEMNL103006EP17A Pflodo Peter Flodin - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: SPAM: Re: [opensuse] SPAM: Novell MS Deal
El Sábado, 4 de Noviembre de 2006 13:17, Andreas Hanke escribió:
> Miguel Angel Alvarez schrieb:
> > [...]
>
> All this stuff resembles a similarly *censored* "1+1=2"-style discussion
> we had recently, and it's similarly useful: We're just stuffing the
> mailing list archive with self-made junk here, that's it.
>
> If people want to go, do it: Go away, no problem ;-) Experience shows
> that most of the "this is so disgusting, I'll go away"-thinking users
> come back again when they realize that there was no reason to do so. And
> even if they don't, there are enough other users and there are new users
> every day.
Burying the head under the floor doesn't help either.
This is simply the fallout of such bussiness tactics, it was ugly for many
many people, it's ethical, not simply some technical issue. The mailing list
is for opensuse linux issues, and Novell behaviour regarding linux will be
commented here, like it or not.
SCOldera has showed us what happens when a company turns rogue, so there is
justification for the fear. I really hope my fears doesn't come true, only
time will show.
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SPAM: Re: [opensuse] SPAM: Novell MS Deal
Miguel Angel Alvarez schrieb: > [...] All this stuff resembles a similarly *censored* "1+1=2"-style discussion we had recently, and it's similarly useful: We're just stuffing the mailing list archive with self-made junk here, that's it. If people want to go, do it: Go away, no problem ;-) Experience shows that most of the "this is so disgusting, I'll go away"-thinking users come back again when they realize that there was no reason to do so. And even if they don't, there are enough other users and there are new users every day. In the meantime, JBoss, acquired by Red Hat, has contracts with MS, and Zend has contracts with MS, and other OSS companies have contracts with MS and nobody cares, but this won't stop users from damaging their own community by filling the list archives with "Oh my God, Novell + MS, it's so disgusting" junk. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] SPAM: Novell MS Deal
El Sábado, 4 de Noviembre de 2006 09:53, Andreas Hanke escribió:
> Tony Pott schrieb:
> > To all the people at SuSE,
> > I know this isn't your fault, and I'm sorry I have to stop using your
> > excellent work. I'm sad to have to change to another distro, I've been a
> > fanboy since SuSE 8.0, but this deal is just disgusting.
Agreed, it is very disgusting, like going home to find your wife in bed with
the worst guy of the office.
> Ah, I see.
>
> Nobody gets what "this" deal is about, but you already know that it
It is true, we haven't been in those negociations, but there is the History
for all to see no need to be an expert. Do you think MS will play nice
now all of a sudden?
Read Groklaw, it has a good coverage and analisys
> forces you to stop using the distribution. Highly interesting.
It doesn't stop me now, but may be in the future Just an example, would
you use and promote SCOldera OpenLinux?
> Can you please read the announcement and point out which of the
> following prevents you from using the distribution:
> Patent coverage
-->>>MS Taxing linux (Novell to pay MS for Linux??? Thats very wrong!)
Patent protection racket ("Hi red head, nice linux have you got here, it would
be a pity if something bad happened. see those shushi, they pay us and
have no worries")
False protection for hobbyists for their *own* use of their *own* work,
absolutely unneeded
Weakens anti sw patents side in Europe
Makes easyer for MS to launch patent attacks on the community and protects
them against antitrust issues
Weakens patent commons efforts
> Virtualization
> Virtualization Management
We have that now: Qemu, xen, vmware,
We don't need linux as a flacky toy program under windows
See vista EULA
> Office Open XML
A stab in the back of OpenDocument.
Eases Office XML path for ISO, damages standards
> Collaboration Framework
With MS?
HA HA HA HA HA!
Where have you been. the last 20 years or so?
> Mono, OpenOffice and Samba
Jeopardizes future of those projects, specially mono
Damages EU antitrust efforts (documentation of win32 network interfaces)
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Re: [opensuse] SPAM: Novell MS Deal
On Saturday 04 November 2006 08:53, Andreas Hanke wrote: > The mailinglist setup is right, this is SPAM. Use one of the existing "I > have been a SUSE fanboy since 231847941 years and now switching to > [A-Z]Ubuntu" threads. We already have enough of them. Just post "me too" > into the other threads. But where do the "I've been an Ubuntu fanboy since day 1, and I then switched to SUSE" threads go? :) Regards, apokryphos pgpOlSt4XP15V.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [opensuse] SPAM: Novell MS Deal
Tony Pott schrieb: > To all the people at SuSE, > I know this isn't your fault, and I'm sorry I have to stop using your > excellent work. I'm sad to have to change to another distro, I've been a > fanboy since SuSE 8.0, but this deal is just disgusting. Ah, I see. Nobody gets what "this" deal is about, but you already know that it forces you to stop using the distribution. Highly interesting. Can you please read the announcement and point out which of the following prevents you from using the distribution: Patent coverage Virtualization Virtualization Management Office Open XML Collaboration Framework Mono, OpenOffice and Samba The mailinglist setup is right, this is SPAM. Use one of the existing "I have been a SUSE fanboy since 231847941 years and now switching to [A-Z]Ubuntu" threads. We already have enough of them. Just post "me too" into the other threads. ARGH! - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse] SPAM: Novell MS Deal
To all the people at SuSE, I know this isn't your fault, and I'm sorry I have to stop using your excellent work. I'm sad to have to change to another distro, I've been a fanboy since SuSE 8.0, but this deal is just disgusting. Best of luck Tony Pott - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
