Re: [opensuse] format external harddisk to ntfs
On Thu, 06 Dec 2007 16:28:30 +0100, jdd wrote: The better choice would be to use ext2 ext3 as well Not really. all drivers/apps for Windows only support ext3 because the difference is mostly the journal. AFAIK, no driver/app supports the ext3 journal, so in reality, they only support ext2. Philipp -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] format external harddisk to ntfs
Am Sonntag, 9. Dezember 2007 16:44:08 schrieb Philipp Thomas: On Thu, 06 Dec 2007 16:28:30 +0100, jdd wrote: The better choice would be to use ext2 ext3 as well Not really. all drivers/apps for Windows only support ext3 because the difference is mostly the journal. AFAIK, no driver/app supports the ext3 journal, so in reality, they only support ext2. That's correct, however ext3 is backwards compatible, so you can read write an ext3 partition(it feels like an ext2 one), however - if you perform write tasks, then it will have to rebuild the journal on next real use of ext3 (probably when you start Linux again). Greetings Michael signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [opensuse] format external harddisk to ntfs
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 The Sunday 2007-12-09 at 19:03 +0100, Michael Skiba wrote: ext3 as well Not really. all drivers/apps for Windows only support ext3 because the difference is mostly the journal. AFAIK, no driver/app supports the ext3 journal, so in reality, they only support ext2. That's correct, however ext3 is backwards compatible, so you can read write an ext3 partition(it feels like an ext2 one), however - if you perform write tasks, then it will have to rebuild the journal on next real use of ext3 (probably when you start Linux again). Not quite... ext3 can use some attrributes and features that ext2 doesn't understand. An ext3 filesystem making use of those can not be mounted as ext2. AFAIK, it's not only the journal. But I don't remember where I read that. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4-svn0 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFHXFKRtTMYHG2NR9URAkXBAJ9AhPThDKJqVazdKd0mfazjaOxR6QCfSg89 XfWzf7wYj5l4gwYGeUI+7iQ= =Qu/+ -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] format external harddisk to ntfs
On Sunday 09 December 2007 21:39:45 Carlos E. R. wrote: The Sunday 2007-12-09 at 19:03 +0100, Michael Skiba wrote: ext3 as well Not really. all drivers/apps for Windows only support ext3 because the difference is mostly the journal. AFAIK, no driver/app supports the ext3 journal, so in reality, they only support ext2. That's correct, however ext3 is backwards compatible, so you can read write an ext3 partition(it feels like an ext2 one), however - if you perform write tasks, then it will have to rebuild the journal on next real use of ext3 (probably when you start Linux again). Not quite... ext3 can use some attrributes and features that ext2 doesn't understand. An ext3 filesystem making use of those can not be mounted as ext2. Ext3 shares all disk implementation with the ext2 filesystem, and adds transactions capabilities to ext2. Journaling is done by the Journaling Block Device layer. This is from /usr/src/linux/Documentation/filesystems/ext3.txt I think it was a design criterion of ext3, that it should be fully usable on an ext2 only system I believe they are departing from that in ext4, to be able to be usable at all on larger file systems Anders -- Madness takes its toll -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] format external harddisk to ntfs
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 The Sunday 2007-12-09 at 22:26 +0100, Anders Johansson wrote: Not quite... ext3 can use some attrributes and features that ext2 doesn't understand. An ext3 filesystem making use of those can not be mounted as ext2. Ext3 shares all disk implementation with the ext2 filesystem, and adds transactions capabilities to ext2. Journaling is done by the Journaling Block Device layer. This is from /usr/src/linux/Documentation/filesystems/ext3.txt I think it was a design criterion of ext3, that it should be fully usable on an ext2 only system Not quite. Any ext2 is mountable as ext3, and normally the contrary is also true. However, ext3 can add extra fields that are incompatible with ext2, so that a partition using those new features is no longer mountable by a system only capable of ext2. This is true; however, I don't remember a document I can point you to. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4-svn0 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFHXIBjtTMYHG2NR9URAqRfAJ4/216WmeijlmCzmiUaRZ+hnpKfRgCZAa47 fubOi/yjlCLsijFv3jdrRu4= =U5Pd -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] format external harddisk to ntfs
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 The Thursday 2007-12-06 at 15:49 +0100, Philipp Thomas wrote: * Aaron Kulkis () [20071206 08:45]: Instead, use a FAT32 filesystem Stupid idea if you ever want to store any file 2 GiB like DVD isos on that fs. The better choice would be to use ext2 as there are drivers for Windows. You ust have to remember that given todays disk sizes, a fsck can take rather long. Yes. And I have to say NTFS 3G has work reliably enough to use NTFS for my external disk. Interestingly enough, I just found there is a mkfs.ntfs. But I wonder if Yast partition manager can do it? - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4-svn0 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFHXIcgtTMYHG2NR9URAu3bAJ9+kzctJpugK/KhYwL4ge644MnL4wCdEScL HdIx7/WFgQ9m7GJ8j8nkZPw= =Q1vp -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] format external harddisk to ntfs
NTFS is one tool for doing that, but not one which will also allow reading/writing by Linux. In fact, I don't think there is even a way to make an NTFS filesystem in Linux (other then 3G, which is not yet reliable enough to use). ntfs-3g in r/w mode is a supported and default solution in 10.3. I've heard nothing about any problems with it since 10.3 was released. Greg -- Greg Freemyer Litigation Triage Solutions Specialist http://www.linkedin.com/in/gregfreemyer First 99 Days Litigation White Paper - http://www.norcrossgroup.com/forms/whitepapers/99%20Days%20whitepaper.pdf The Norcross Group The Intersection of Evidence Technology http://www.norcrossgroup.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] format external harddisk to ntfs
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* peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] [01-01-70 12:34]:
jdd wrote:
ext3 as well
That's new to me. Would please point me to such a driver. I always
thought that ext3 partitions can only be mounted as ext2 on MS Windows.
Means w/o journaling.
Ext2Fsd: V0.35 update 01
http://www.pheedo.com/click.phdo?i=8e69810750417c1107b193bddcf9c677
Ext2Fsd is an open source linux ext2/ext3 file system driver for
Windows systems (NT/2K/XP/VISTA, X86/AMD64). Modifications: remove
the execute bits ('x' attribute in inode mode) for all newly created
files File: Ext2Fsd-0.35-update-01.zip it only contains bindary
driver files for xp/2003/vista, both for i386/AMD64
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Re: [opensuse] format external harddisk to ntfs
* Aaron Kulkis ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [20071206 08:45]: Instead, use a FAT32 filesystem Stupid idea if you ever want to store any file 2 GiB like DVD isos on that fs. The better choice would be to use ext2 as there are drivers for Windows. You ust have to remember that given todays disk sizes, a fsck can take rather long. And I have to say NTFS 3G has work reliably enough to use NTFS for my external disk. Philipp -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] format external harddisk to ntfs
Philipp Thomas wrote: * Aaron Kulkis ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [20071206 08:45]: Instead, use a FAT32 filesystem Stupid idea if you ever want to store any file 2 GiB like DVD isos on that fs. The better choice would be to use ext2 ext3 as well as there are drivers for Windows. You ust have to remember that given todays disk sizes, a fsck can take rather long. And I have to say NTFS 3G has work reliably enough to use NTFS for my external disk. Philipp -- http://www.dodin.net -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] format external harddisk to ntfs
Philipp Thomas wrote: * Aaron Kulkis ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [20071206 08:45]: Instead, use a FAT32 filesystem Stupid idea if you ever want to store any file 2 GiB like DVD isos on that fs. The better choice would be to use ext2 as there are drivers for Windows. You Oh wow, when did that come out? ust have to remember that given todays disk sizes, a fsck can take rather long. And I have to say NTFS 3G has work reliably enough to use NTFS for my external disk. Philipp -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 * Aaron Kulkis [EMAIL PROTECTED] [12-06-07 13:23]: Philipp Thomas wrote: The better choice would be to use ext2 as there are drivers for Windows. You Oh wow, when did that come out? five or six years ago :^) - -- Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USAHOG # US1244711 http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 Registered Linux User #207535@ http://counter.li.org -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFHWEI4ClSjbQz1U5oRAim/AKCdFQrIFlqtdOIWWEMenVpppju/WQCgjOty aInNIljxeocSmGaFJyL32NA= =fL/P -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] format external harddisk to ntfs
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 jdd wrote: ext3 as well That's new to me. Would please point me to such a driver. I always thought that ext3 partitions can only be mounted as ext2 on MS Windows. Means w/o journaling. - -- All the best, Peter J. N. aedon DESIGNS, http://www.aedon.eu/ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4-svn0 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHWFtxh8q3OtgoGAwRAuFWAJsHb+q7SEVuWf9hrm5HWFKkAhqXZwCdF6yM k6WQQiEzVzRzVbQiLpVKpNE= =xc4y -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] format external harddisk to ntfs
Hans Linux wrote: how do i format a external harddisk with suse? I need to format with NTFS file system so windows can read/write it Does it have to be NTFS and not FAT? If I want a drive to be accessable in Windows, I format it with FAT32. -- Use OpenOffice.org http://www.openoffice.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 James Knott wrote: Hello James! Does it have to be NTFS and not FAT? If I want a drive to be accessable in Windows, I format it with FAT32. For people storing big files on an external drive Fat32 is unfortunately pretty useless. I use for that matter ext2, which can be mounted on windows. According to my experience it's less risky than accessing NTFS on Linux. - -- All the best, Peter J. N. aedon DESIGNS, http://www.aedon.eu/ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4-svn0 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHWGqKh8q3OtgoGAwRAkyOAJ96Yjq+f1/dsNHYSPY9jW5IUW9/LgCePPCn nplTcBVpGK/0mewnoGhduDk= =OPp1 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] format external harddisk to ntfs
peter wrote: ext3 as well That's new to me. Would please point me to such a driver. I don't know if the driver uses the juornal (may be not), but it sees ext3 and mount/umount them cleanly howevern they need to be umounted cleanly in Linux, if not the window driver don't see them driver is ext2ifs http://www.fs-driver.org/faq.html#acc_ext3 jdd -- http://www.dodin.net -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse] format external harddisk to ntfs
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Re: [opensuse] format external harddisk to ntfs
Hans Linux wrote: how do i format a external harddisk with suse? I need to format with NTFS file system so windows can read/write it Don't these devices already come formatted for peecee? Is there any reason you can't use fat32? Every one I've bought comes with windoze fat32 format, and I've done the opposite, and reformatted as reiser, since I have no need for windoze to ever read the disk, and I want full unix semantics for my backups. If for some reason you need it to be ntfs, and not fat32, you could always let windoze format it. Joe -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
