Re: [opensuse] OT: Price speed of internet outside US - Why ask?
On 04/12/2007 02:08 PM somebody named Peter Bradley wrote: Ysgrifennodd ken: What do people outside the US pay for their internet connection and how fast is the connection? If you have links to this info understandable by English/German reader, that would be appreciated also. tnx++ I'm with Pipex in the UK. I pay about $35 per month. Maybe a bit more these days. It's the XtremeSolo package if you want to look it up. Unlimited. Speeds are good, although I can't quote any figures (i.e. they're good enough that I've never paid any attention) Why are you asking? Major US broadband providers (BBPs) are claiming that they need more flexible pricing policies in order to stay in business and to provide higher bandwidths. These more flexible pricing policies would mean that some protocols would cost more or be prohibited (e.g., VoIP*) and that some customers (perhaps those who say the wrong things) would be charged more than others for the same amount of bandwidth, effectively throttling down 'inconvenient'** speech. One argument which needs to be dispelled then is that inequitable pricing is required for US BBPs' technical and economic viability. The information you have provided has effectively done that. Thanks to all who replied. While we're talking about it, I'd encourage US residents who would like to save themselves a considerable pile of cash-- and help guarantee free speech and free expression at the same time-- to get involved in the issue of net neutrality. Feel free to contact me offlist for details. *The purpose in prohibiting VoIP (or video or sound) would be so that it can be sold as a separate service (on the same bandwidth), this so BBPs, not customers, could reap the benefits of convergence. **It's not inconceivable that, for some big economic players, or at least one, Linux might be considered undesirable. -- Genius might be described as a supreme capacity for getting its possessors into trouble of all kinds. -- Samuel Butler -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] OT: Price speed of internet outside US - Why ask?
ken wrote: Major US broadband providers (BBPs) are claiming that they need more flexible pricing policies most active french ISP (www.free.fr) was the first here to give adsl2+ 24Mb down / 1 Mb up unlimited with free VOIP/phone and TV free modem. The same give still as many 10Gb web space as one wants for free as well as mail accounts the same will propose very soon direct fiber to home probably for the same price, may be for 40 euros at max with 100 Mbits bidirectional bandwith. And this one makes money... so money is not a real problem the main reason is certainly than most users don't use even a small amount of the bandwith available on average. even we, here, most of us, have use of high bandwith only once in a while, for dvd dl the same company (in fact a sub-company of it) proposes homing computers for 30 euros/month (VAT excluded) http://www.dedibox.fr/ and this can be with opensuse in the box :-) jdd -- http://www.dodin.net Lucien Dodin, inventeur http://lucien.dodin.net/index.shtml -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] OT: Price speed of internet outside US
ken wrote: What do people outside the US pay for their internet connection and how fast is the connection? If you have links to this info understandable by English/German reader, that would be appreciated also. tnx++ I pay about $45 (CDN) for cable modem access. Bandwidth is 6 Mb down and 800K up. Works very well and I have a static host name, so even if DHCP changes my IP address, I can always find my way home from elsewhere. -- Use OpenOffice.org http://www.openoffice.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] OT: Price speed of internet outside US
On Thu 12 Apr 2007 11:25, ken wrote: What do people outside the US pay for their internet connection and how fast is the connection? Greece : OTEnet : ADSL 768/192 Kbps - Euro 14.50 per Month best wishes -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] OT: Price speed of internet outside US
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 The Thursday 2007-04-12 at 07:25 -0400, ken wrote: What do people outside the US pay for their internet connection and Spain, Telefónica: 39.9 Eur/month plus 16% tax, at 1Mbit/.3Mbit. ADSL. Includes free phone calls to the whole country as bonus (here even urban, local calls are metered, so the bonus is interesting). If you have links to this info understandable by English/German reader, that would be appreciated also. I know there are links comparing offers, let me see... one: http://www.adslzone.net/comparativa.html In Spanish, of course: local info is in local language. And not up to date. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.76 iD8DBQFGHh/RtTMYHG2NR9URAgTfAJ4w4700vidn7qOqrHJJplZRapk2CgCfQmRV iAM9LcuHMApnJECjVzW4LGU= =zMl8 -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [opensuse] OT: Price speed of internet outside US
Hi :) fun question. Location: Lviv, Ukraine. for unlimited 256kbps I pay about 19$ unfortunately it's impossible to read about my provider prices in English or German. -- Andrew Senyshyn ken wrote: What do people outside the US pay for their internet connection and how fast is the connection? If you have links to this info understandable by English/German reader, that would be appreciated also. tnx++ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] OT: Price speed of internet outside US
In Israel, I pay about 25$ for 1.5 mbps downstream/128 kbps upstream bandwidth. (ADSL) -- -Alexey Eremenko Technologov -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] OT: Price speed of internet outside US
Sweden, 24 Mbit down - 1 Mbit up, 349 SEK / month = 40 euros / month. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] OT: Price speed of internet outside US
On Thursday 12 April 2007, ken wrote: What do people outside the US pay for their internet connection and how fast is the connection? If you have links to this info understandable by English/German reader, that would be appreciated also. tnx++ In Brazil, my connection is 300 kbps and I pay near US$ 30 (R$ 62). Thadeu -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] OT: Price speed of internet outside US
Well here in South Africa I have a 512KB Adsl line do it only gives me about 256 KB and with a 3GB Cap which I pay Rand 1400 which is USD 195.00, and yeas it sucks Kind regards Per Qvindesland On Thu, 2007-04-12 at 09:38 -0300, Jose Thadeu Cavalcante wrote: On Thursday 12 April 2007, ken wrote: What do people outside the US pay for their internet connection and how fast is the connection? If you have links to this info understandable by English/German reader, that would be appreciated also. tnx++ In Brazil, my connection is 300 kbps and I pay near US$ 30 (R$ 62). Thadeu -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] OT: Price speed of internet outside US
What do people outside the US pay for their internet connection and how fast is the connection? If you have links to this info understandable by English/German reader, that would be appreciated also. In the Netherlands I had Cable 12.500 Mbit down, 1050 Kbit up for 80 Euro/month. You can also get ADSL2 with speeds up to 20 Mbit down and still (last I checked) 1050 kbit up. The best I've seen in the Netherlands is OnsetNuenen which offers 100Mbit up and down for 20 Euro per month http://www.onsnetnuenen.nl/index.php?item=3289 A friend of mine has it and he wastes no time letting me know how fast his connection is :-P Where I'm at in Germany now, I have ADSL2 at 16Mit down, and 1 Mbit up for 50 Euro per month. C. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] OT: Price speed of internet outside US
What do people outside the US pay for their internet connection Germany: 16MBit down, 1Mbit up, unlimitet traffic, dynamic IP, changing every 24h, fast-path, non customer restricted smtp-relay, webspace 50mb with unrestricted traffic but only few rudimentary tools, unrestricted VOIP connections Europe wide. Fix price: 39 EUR /month For that price I'm just missing either a static IP or a root server included. A faster upload rate, something like 4MBit would be kinda nice too ;-) Thx Jan -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] OT: Price speed of internet outside US
Clayton wrote: What do people outside the US pay for their internet connection and how fast is the connection? If you have links to this info understandable by English/German reader, that would be appreciated also. In the Netherlands I had Cable 12.500 Mbit down, 1050 Kbit up for 80 Euro/month. You can also get ADSL2 with speeds up to 20 Mbit down and still (last I checked) 1050 kbit up. The best I've seen in the Netherlands is OnsetNuenen which offers 100Mbit up and down for 20 Euro per month http://www.onsnetnuenen.nl/index.php?item=3289 A friend of mine has it and he wastes no time letting me know how fast his connection is :-P Where I'm at in Germany now, I have ADSL2 at 16Mit down, and 1 Mbit up for 50 Euro per month. Just for variety: Here in Germany I am paying 108 Euro/month for 2MBit/1MBit, though this is a business line, in other words, a static connection with my own subnet (includes telephone flat rate as well). -- Sandy List replies only please! Please address PMs to: news-reply2 (@) japantest (.) homelinux (.) com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] OT: Price speed of internet outside US
On Thu, April 12, 2007 13:42, Per Qvindesland wrote: Well here in South Africa I have a 512KB Adsl line do it only gives me about 256 KB and with a 3GB Cap which I pay Rand 1400 which is USD 195.00, and yeas it sucks Who are you with? They're milking you - you can get uncapped for that kind of money. Hans -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] OT: Price speed of internet outside US
On Thu, April 12, 2007 14:26, Hans du Plooy wrote: On Thu, April 12, 2007 13:42, Per Qvindesland wrote: Well here in South Africa I have a 512KB Adsl line do it only gives me about 256 KB and with a 3GB Cap which I pay Rand 1400 which is USD 195.00, and yeas it sucks Who are you with? They're milking you - you can get uncapped for that kind of money. http://www.telkomsa.net/ - click Our Products - ADSL - Pricing 512k line is R362. Add the R70 odd for phone rental that gives you R432. Then look at: http://www.saol.com/uadsl.asp If you're only getting 256k on your line in any way you can go for the 384k 50:1 option at R975, that will give you a total of R1407 Hans -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] OT: Price speed of internet outside US
Le Jeudi 12 Avril 2007 13:25, ken a écrit : What do people outside the US pay for their internet connection and how fast is the connection? If you have links to this info understandable by English/German reader, that would be appreciated also. tnx++ -- Genius might be described as a supreme capacity for getting its possessors into trouble of all kinds. -- Samuel Butler Hi, Here in France I have got a 22,4 Mbit/s download and 1Mbit/s upload. Fixed IP. Uncapped. The offer also include VoIP phone and TV. For 30 euros per month. Cheers. -- __ Matthias Titeux, PhD Département de génétique des maladies cutanées et allergiques dans des modèles animaux et chez l'homme. INSERM U563 - CPTP Pavillon Lefebvre, 5ème étage CHU Purpan BP3028 31024 Toulouse cedex 03 __ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] OT: Price speed of internet outside US
Clayton wrote: What do people outside the US pay for their internet connection and how fast is the connection? (snip) The best I've seen in the Netherlands is OnsetNuenen which offers 100Mbit up and down for 20 Euro per month http://www.onsnetnuenen.nl/index.php?item=3289 They're cheap allright, but not that cheap. You have to pay € 20,= / month membership fee and on top of that a certain amount for every service you take: - internet 15,95 - RTV 13,95 - phone 9,50 So if you'd take only internet that would cost you 35,95 a month, which isn't so bad. Unfortunately they serve only a very small area. Regards, -- Jos van Kanregistered Linux user #152704 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] OT: Price speed of internet outside US
Clayton wrote: Where I'm at in Germany now, I have ADSL2 at 16Mit down, and 1 Mbit up adsl2+ is max 24Mbits down/1Mb up theorical, but this decrease with the distance from the servers. Up to 1km, bandwith is excellent, at 3.5km yopu have nearly 512K only, and after... god knews :-) and it seems France is lucky at 30€/month (no dl limit) :-) jdd -- http://www.dodin.net Lucien Dodin, inventeur http://lucien.dodin.net/index.shtml -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] OT: Price speed of internet outside US
So, basically we get good countries and milking countries. good countries: -Netherlands -UK (England) -France -Germany -Sweden milking countries: -Sounth Africa -Ukraine -Israel -Spain -Brazil perhaps, it is soon time to move from Israel :) -- -Alexey Eremenko Technologov -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] OT: Price speed of internet outside US
Ysgrifennodd ken: What do people outside the US pay for their internet connection and how fast is the connection? If you have links to this info understandable by English/German reader, that would be appreciated also. tnx++ I'm with Pipex in the UK. I pay about $35 per month. Maybe a bit more these days. It's the XtremeSolo package if you want to look it up. Unlimited. Speeds are good, although I can't quote any figures (i.e. they're good enough that I've never paid any attention) Why are you asking? HTH Peter (carefully deleting Tbird's default off-list To: field) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I live in Argentina, Buenos Aires.My ISP is Telefonica-Speedy 1 MB --- 60 u$s The service is very bad. They leak, I deal and the attention to the client is very deficient. www.speedy.com.ar On 4/12/07, Peter Bradley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ysgrifennodd ken: What do people outside the US pay for their internet connection and how fast is the connection? If you have links to this info understandable by English/German reader, that would be appreciated also. tnx++ I'm with Pipex in the UK. I pay about $35 per month. Maybe a bit more these days. It's the XtremeSolo package if you want to look it up. Unlimited. Speeds are good, although I can't quote any figures (i.e. they're good enough that I've never paid any attention) Why are you asking? HTH Peter (carefully deleting Tbird's default off-list To: field) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- (c) copyright 2007 gabriel.schwartz AT gmail DOT com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] OT: Price speed of internet outside US
On Donnerstag, 12. April 2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu 12 Apr 2007 11:25, ken wrote: What do people outside the US pay for their internet connection and how fast is the connection? Greece : OTEnet : ADSL 768/192 Kbps - Euro 14.50 per Month best wishes Switzerland: down: 3500, up: 300 kbps CHF 49.--/month (Euro ~30.--, USD ~42.--) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Ysgrifennodd Alexey Eremenko: -UK (England) offended Erm. Excuse me. The UK is definitely not England. It may include England, but it is not synonymous. /offended Some of us live in the UK and don't even speak English as our first language. I don't, for one. ~ It appears the writer was showing which part of the UK. For example, US (New York). Nice to see that the UK is one big happy family, Welsh and Scots included. ~James -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Thursday 12 April 2007 14:45, James D. Parra wrote: Ysgrifennodd Alexey Eremenko: -UK (England) offended Erm. Excuse me. The UK is definitely not England. It may include England, but it is not synonymous. /offended Some of us live in the UK and don't even speak English as our first language. I don't, for one. ~ It appears the writer was showing which part of the UK. For example, US (New York). Nice to see that the UK is one big happy family, Welsh and Scots included. ~James Apologies for being a pedant, UK is short for 'The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland', Great Britain is England, Scotland and Wales; all according to my passport. Peter -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] OT: Price speed of internet outside US
Ysgrifennodd James D. Parra: Ysgrifennodd Alexey Eremenko: -UK (England) offended Erm. Excuse me. The UK is definitely not England. It may include England, but it is not synonymous. /offended Some of us live in the UK and don't even speak English as our first language. I don't, for one. ~ It appears the writer was showing which part of the UK. For example, US (New York). Nice to see that the UK is one big happy family, Welsh and Scots included. ~James Don't think so, because I was one of the ones who replied to him from the UK: and I'm not in England. I don't recall anyone specifying that they were in England, any more than I specified that I'm in Wales. Peter -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 The Thursday 2007-04-12 at 17:51 +0100, Alexey Eremenko wrote: milking countries: -Spain The price I gave for Spain is not the cheapest we can get here, it belongs to the old state telephone company. Usually reliable, but not the cheapest. No download limit, no ports clossed. Four or five mail accounts, webpage, dinamic IP, flat telephone... There are cheaper offers, but not everywhere. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.76 iD8DBQFGHpBMtTMYHG2NR9URAsbOAKCNfWWaIrY1i77KPaLwh7cKTxmgxQCeOQE1 T/ztaKrI8m0poeHJih3Fm4w= =Ecwk -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] OT: Price speed of internet outside US
On Thursday 12 April 2007, Alexey Eremenko wrote: perhaps, it is soon time to move from Israel :) That goes without saying -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] OT: Price speed of internet outside US
Ysgrifennodd Dylan: On Thursday 12 April 2007, Alexey Eremenko wrote: perhaps, it is soon time to move from Israel :) That goes without saying Only if you're Welsh :) Peter -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] OT: Price speed of internet outside US
In Australia I pay AUD60.00 per month for ADSL 2/+ - AUD60 == USD72 24000k/1000k for monthly 18GB. If exceeded I just get slowed down to a snail rate of 128k/128k 6 Email addresses - user controlled 10 MB free space on server for personal web site or storage of contact list - upload tools online provided - user controlled Free Spam filtering - user configurable for degree or severity and exceptions Free Virus Detection - user configurable Scott - Australia Hans du Plooy wrote: On Thu, April 12, 2007 12:25, ken wrote: What do people outside the US pay for their internet connection and how fast is the connection? If you have links to this info understandable by English/German reader, that would be appreciated also. Which countries are you interested in? Here in the UK, I pay �24 p/m for a 24mbit down, 1.3mbit up uncapped DSL connection. In South Africa I paid about that much just for line rental on a 192kbit down, 64kbit up ADSL. Add onto that about �5 per GB in ISP fees. Hans smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
Re: [opensuse] OT: Price speed of internet outside US
On Fri, 2007-04-13 at 07:47 +1000, Registration Account wrote: In Australia I pay AUD60.00 per month for ADSL 2/+ - AUD60 == USD72 24000k/1000k for monthly 18GB. So theoretically you can get capped in 10 minutes? ;-) If exceeded I just get slowed down to a snail rate of 128k/128k Does the contention ration stay the same though? In the early days of ADSL in South Africa, once you got capped, your local traffic was left as is (so you can browse local sites without any problems) but your international access were switched to a single 64kbit line that you shared with *all* the other capped ADSL users. If you happened to hit your cap in the first few days of the month it was usable, but even after the first week it just wasn't worth trying. Nowadays, as far as I know, they just cut you off when you hit your cap - not sure, after the last time I moved house the phone company never pitched to install my line until two days before I moved to the UK. Oh well Hans -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
