Re: [opensuse] OT 10.3 on an old server installed like a dream (nightmare version)

2007-10-09 Thread Sandy Drobic
Clint Tinsley wrote:
> Sandy,
> 
> Congratulations on the resurrection.  Great work.

There were so many reports about successful and easy installations that I
had to set a counterpoint to make people aware about the risks of any upgrade.

If you've got valuable data on your box, do your backups regularly and
test it.

If downtime is a problem test the upgrade on a non-production machine and
have troubleshooting tools and documentation handy.

> Going off topic here but I tried to reply directly to you but your mail
> server rejected the suse-linux-e address... No spam there!

Sorry, the mailinglist addresses are regularly harvested by spammers, so
my server only accepts mails to these addresses from the listservers.
Additionally it happens every other month, that someone misconfigures his
server/forwarding/whatever resulting in a lot of bounces and related crap.

Included beneath every mail I am sending to the list is an email address
that is not restricted: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

> Question, where did you get a Knoppix 5.2 DVD and is it an English
> version?  I have not been able to find anything since the 5.1.1 release
> in January. Google gives some references to a 5.2 DVD available via
> bittorrent which I can't use due to firewall issues.
> 
> Would like to have that in my toolbox.

The dvd was included with a magazine that I am subscribed to, no idea
where I could get this version otherwise.
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Re: [opensuse] OT 10.3 on an old server installed like a dream (nightmare version)

2007-10-09 Thread Clint Tinsley
Sandy,

Congratulations on the resurrection.  Great work.

Going off topic here but I tried to reply directly to you but your mail server 
rejected the suse-linux-e address... No spam there!

Question, where did you get a Knoppix 5.2 DVD and is it an English version?  I 
have not been able to find anything since the 5.1.1 release in January. Google 
gives some references to a 5.2 DVD available via bittorrent which I can't use 
due to firewall issues.

Would like to have that in my toolbox.

Thanks

Clint

> - Original Message -
> From: "Sandy Drobic" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: opensuse@opensuse.org
> Subject: [opensuse] 10.3 on an old server installed like a dream (nightmare 
> version)
> Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2007 13:04:17 +0200
> 
> 
> This is the version where you wish you WERE dreaming or at least leave all
> the mess behind you after exiting the cinema...
> 
> The actors:
> 
> - Fujitsu-Siemens Primergy 470 (Dual P3-800, Mylex Raidcontroller
> (DAC960PRL) with Hardware RAID5 on three SCSI hdd, currently running with
> Suse Linux 10.0, file system reiser 3)
> 
> - OpenSUSE 10.3 DVD 32bit
> 
> - one happy sysadmin who successfully tested that the installation dvd
> recognised the raid and didn't scream any warnings up to the point where
> the installation starts
> 
> 
> Prologue:
> The machine is rather old being from the last century, but as it is still
> reliable and sufficient for the small environment, I would like to keep
> it. I already decided to skip the installation of Opensuse 10.1 and 10.2
> as there were ominous warnings from gparted during the update praparation
> and the installation crashed mostly during install anyway.
> 
> So I was very happy, when Opensuse 10.3 didn't raise any fuss like
> warnings "the partitions can not be changed, do you want to use them
> unchanged?" or something like it.
> 
> 
> Main story:
> Overall I was rather impressed with the speed and ease of the upgrade. It
> detected some unmaintained and non-upgradable packages which I expected
> anyway. Some of the packages were not from the distro or even compiled
> from source.
> The actual package installation went without any problem, the sun was
> shining, it was sunday and everything promised to turn into a great day.
> 
> That was when the nightmare slowly started. At the end of the installation
> the system is prepared for the first start of the new OS. Suddenly a
> warning appeared "mkinitrd failed" (or something like that). The
> installation procedure wasn't impressed though, and the countdown for the
> automatic reboot began. 10..9..8..7..6..
> 
> My eyes that were glued to the screen resetted and I hit the stop button.
>   The countdown was stopped, phew. So, what to do now? No combination of
> keys gave me a shell to intervene.
> 
> Finally, with a glum premonition of approaching desaster, I allowed the
> system to reboot, lit a few incense sticks and did a little voodoo dance
> to invoke the gods of luck. It didn't work, the booting system didn't see
> any disks, panicked and finally crashed. The nightmare had arrived and had
> the previously happy sysadmin firmly in his grip.
> 
> Was all data/configuration lost and had to be installed from backup? I
> booted once again from the installation dvd, it seemed to recognise the
> partition, so all data apparently wasn't lost. Then I tried to use the
> rescue system to repair the boot configuration. The login prompt appeared
> and I logged in as root. Well, at least I attempted to login. The only
> reaction of the system was that it replied with a service error. So, no
> login via rescue system.
> 
> Then I tried to boot from dvd and run the installed system. That resulted
> in a nice little crash but no usable shell.
> 
> At that point I decided to take a timeout, eat something and think about
> any further steps.
> 
> Half an hour later I began to investigate in earnest, meaning I grabbed my
> Knoppix 5.2 dvd to see in what state the partitions currently were.
> Booting from the Knoppix dvd went without a hitch. It showed all
> partitions on the raid, and I could mount them without any problem. The
> worst of the nightmare slowly began to fade.
> 
> /boot resided on its own partition, and I immediately saw that indeed no
> initrd had been installed.
> 
> So I installed 10.3 (minimal instalation) as a VM to get a working initrd.
> Five minutes later I copied the initrd on my server and rebooted.
> Lucky, the initrd was accepted, unfortunately it didn't find my raid.
> 
> Okay, I thought, let's configure the initrd to include the necessary
> modules. That was when I discovered that the minimal installation did not
> have vi nor any other editor, not even less. Even a manual execution of
> mkinitrd with the list of modules to include only gave a list of missing
> modules errors.
> 
> I scrapped the minimal installation and installed a standard KDE version
> instead. 20 minutes later I had a working 10.3 in vmware with all the
> niceties I was accustomed to.