Re: [opensuse-factory] Factory repository
Christian Boltz wrote: As long as no new critical bugs are introduced, this isn't very surprising ;-) :-( so you (and others) are never stopping work :-) nice. I add a phrase to get this more sure in the Factory page. Just one more info, as of the testers debugging. What is the most interesting for you, test alpha... when available, or test Factory (updating asap)? It looks pretty difficult to do the two. I'm now retired from work, so the stability of my system is less a problem thanks, jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://dodin.org/galerie_photo_web/expo/index.html http://lucien.dodin.net http://fr.susewiki.org/index.php?title=Gérer_ses_photos - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Factory repository
Hello, Am Montag, 12. Juni 2006 18:35 schrieb jdd: [...] > ==To be sure.== > how is the passage between 10.1 and 10.2 made? > > is there a progressive transition through Factory (for > example, does factory had the test zen updates?) or is there > at some date a massive change? It's freezed some days after a release (also for alpha/beta releases) to give people the chance to mirror a defined state. Outside these freezes the changes appear as they are done. > how/when are important changes like Kde version made? I guess: When there are new versions available and the developers have some time ;-) - given there's no feature freeze (aka beta / RC phase). > I don't see any discussion in opensuse-factory about such > things. As long as no new critical bugs are introduced, this isn't very surprising ;-) You may want to check http://en.opensuse.org/Factory-News from time to time - or subscribe to the opensuse-commit mailinglist. Regards, Christian Boltz -- Coffee in the morning is a good thing.. Or what the hell, coffee around the clock is a good thing.. :) [Anders Norrbring] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Factory repository
On Mon, Jun 12, 2006 at 06:35:12PM +0200, jdd wrote: > http://lists.opensuse.org/archive/opensuse-announce/2006-Mar/0001.html > > said > > "Our current plan for these snapshots is: ^ > Fri, Jun 16 SUSE Linux 10.2 Alpha1 (Jun 15 is a holiday for > us) " > > so I was thinking dev for 10.2 started really only then. As you can read above, those Alpha-"Releases" are just snapshots of the Factory distribution tree. The Factory tree does exist all the time and is continuously updated (according to some rules about feature freeze and stuff like that). You can find a short overview of the current changes at http://en.opensuse.org/Factory/News. > ==To be sure.== > how is the passage between 10.1 and 10.2 made? Developers do continuous changes to the packages whenever they have time to work at that package. > is there a progressive transition through Factory (for > example, does factory had the test zen updates?) or is there > at some date a massive change? There is a continuous change but when some developers decide to do a major update (e.g. update KDE subsystem) then many packages are affected at that specific point in time. All fixes for the released distribution should go into Factory tree as well but not necessarily in the same way. It might happen that in the Factory tree one does a fix in a probably better but more intrusive (and thus too dangerous for the release branch) way. > how/when are important changes like Kde version made? Whenever the packagers feel that the best time for updating has come. > I don't see any discussion in opensuse-factory about such > things. Well, nobody asked for such information until now. > for me it's clear in the middle of a distribution test, not > between two ones. I hope it is more clear now. Robert -- Robert Schiele Tel.: +49-621-181-2214 Dipl.-Wirtsch.informatiker mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] "Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum sonatur." pgpLjsJ6j89IQ.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [opensuse-factory] Factory repository
On Monday, 12. June 2006 18:35, jdd wrote: > so I was thinking dev for 10.2 started really only then. Wrong. > is there a progressive transition through Factory Yes. > (for example, does factory had the test zen updates?) Sure, it has newer zen packages all the time. > how/when are important changes like Kde version made? As soon as there is a new KDE version. > I don't see any discussion in opensuse-factory about such things. Not everything has to be discussed: http://en.opensuse.org/Factory/News Bye, Steve - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Factory repository
Robert Schiele wrote: On Mon, Jun 12, 2006 at 04:50:05PM +0200, jdd wrote: no. I wanted to note that there is no factory distribution for now (release is sheduled june 16?), the factory repository should be identical to 10.1 one. Huh? What did you smoke? Sure there is a current factory distribution (which is _not_ identical to 10.1. The fact that the drpmsync server is not usable at the moment does not mean that the distribution does not exist. Robert http://lists.opensuse.org/archive/opensuse-announce/2006-Mar/0001.html said "Our current plan for these snapshots is: Fri, Jun 16 SUSE Linux 10.2 Alpha1 (Jun 15 is a holiday for us) " so I was thinking dev for 10.2 started really only then. ==To be sure.== how is the passage between 10.1 and 10.2 made? is there a progressive transition through Factory (for example, does factory had the test zen updates?) or is there at some date a massive change? how/when are important changes like Kde version made? I don't see any discussion in opensuse-factory about such things. for me it's clear in the middle of a distribution test, not between two ones. thanks jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://dodin.org/galerie_photo_web/expo/index.html http://lucien.dodin.net http://fr.susewiki.org/index.php?title=Gérer_ses_photos - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Factory repository
On Mon, Jun 12, 2006 at 04:50:05PM +0200, jdd wrote: > no. I wanted to note that there is no factory distribution > for now (release is sheduled june 16?), the factory > repository should be identical to 10.1 one. Huh? What did you smoke? Sure there is a current factory distribution (which is _not_ identical to 10.1. The fact that the drpmsync server is not usable at the moment does not mean that the distribution does not exist. Robert -- Robert Schiele Tel.: +49-621-181-2214 Dipl.-Wirtsch.informatiker mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] "Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum sonatur." pgpqNTYnMdH2k.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [opensuse-factory] Factory repository
Stephan Binner wrote: On Friday, 9. June 2006 18:53, jdd wrote: I know Factory is not really available right now, but in the The mini boot ISOs are back if you refer to that... no. I wanted to note that there is no factory distribution for now (release is sheduled june 16?), the factory repository should be identical to 10.1 one. anyway, all options a noted "not available yet" on the wiki page :-) jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://dodin.org/galerie_photo_web/expo/index.html http://lucien.dodin.net http://fr.susewiki.org/index.php?title=Gérer_ses_photos - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Xgl: a much better way to start compiz on KDE
On Monday 12 June 2006 15:44, Stephan Kulow wrote: > Am Montag, 12. Juni 2006 14:09 schrieb Silviu Marin-Caea: > > 3. create /etc/profile.d/kdewm.sh with this content > > export KDEWM=/usr/local/bin/compiz.sh > > No need to make it executable. > > > > This will start compiz directly, not kwin. It's effective for all users > > of the computer. If that's not desirable, you can add the line with > > "export KDEWM" to the ~/.profile file instead of /etc/profile.d > > Don't do that in profile.d, put it in /opt/kde3/env or ~/.kde/env If I put it in /opt/kde3/env, kicker doesn't appear unless I click once on the desktop. Weird, but that's what's happening. In profile.d it's fine, kicker appears by itself. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Factory repository
On Friday, 9. June 2006 18:53, jdd wrote: > I know Factory is not really available right now, but in the The mini boot ISOs are back if you refer to that... Bye, Steve - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Xgl: a much better way to start compiz on KDE
Am Montag, 12. Juni 2006 14:09 schrieb Silviu Marin-Caea: > 3. create /etc/profile.d/kdewm.sh with this content > export KDEWM=/usr/local/bin/compiz.sh > No need to make it executable. > > This will start compiz directly, not kwin. It's effective for all users of > the computer. If that's not desirable, you can add the line with "export > KDEWM" to the ~/.profile file instead of /etc/profile.d Don't do that in profile.d, put it in /opt/kde3/env or ~/.kde/env Greetings, Stephan - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse-factory] Xgl: a much better way to start compiz on KDE
http://en.opensuse.org/Using_Xgl_on_SUSE_Linux In the above page, the user is advised to create a compiz.desktop file in KDE Autostart. This is not optimal, because KDE's window manager kwin is started first, then replaced by compiz. On my machines this also created problems with other programs that are autostarted (have icons in KDE systray). It also has the disadvantage that a compiz.desktop needs to be created in each user's home. I propose a much better way: 1. create /usr/local/bin/compiz.sh with this content: /usr/bin/compiz gconf & /usr/bin/gnome-window-decorator & 2. make it executable: chmod a+x /usr/local/bin/compiz.sh 3. create /etc/profile.d/kdewm.sh with this content export KDEWM=/usr/local/bin/compiz.sh No need to make it executable. This will start compiz directly, not kwin. It's effective for all users of the computer. If that's not desirable, you can add the line with "export KDEWM" to the ~/.profile file instead of /etc/profile.d If nobody objects to this method, I'll edit the wiki page. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] one package test
Klaus Kaempf wrote: Factory is for experienced Linux developers. I mean usually I feel better with a hole factory install for testing and a hole stable one for day to day use :-) jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://dodin.org/galerie_photo_web/expo/index.html http://lucien.dodin.net http://fr.susewiki.org/index.php?title=Gérer_ses_photos - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] one package test
* jdd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [Jun 12. 2006 08:32]: > The page > > http://en.opensuse.org/Factory > > asserts that its possible to use factory to test only one > package. > > For me this seems extremely dangerous to do so on a stable > main intallation, because I fear a dependecy chain could > install from factory a lot of very new packages, breaking > the stability of the hole machine. I'm right? Yes, this might happen. OTOH, package dependencies ensure consistency of the whole dependency chain. Updates to a specific set of packages (e.g. KDE, kernel+drivers, etc.) is quite safe usually (given that the packages itself aren't too buggy.) A lot of SUSE developers run their systems on Factory. > > In that respect, adding Factory as install source in a > stable installation is _very_ risky If you enjoy 'living on the edge' and you're prepared to fix your system, Factory is right for you. ;-) Factory is for experienced Linux developers. Klaus - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] round orange thingee
Hi, On Monday 12 June 2006 10:40, Klaus Kaempf wrote: > * Edward Dunagin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [Jun 09. 2006 18:59]: > > in my tray, that little round thingee turned orange. in putting > > my cursor on it is said i had 18 updates to download. i started > > it and found there was > > > > 18 updates, then it tells me it was resolving dependencies and > > then got a screen > > that says mishandled files or something like the, clicked ok and > > the screen disappeared and the round orange thingee in my tray > > disappeared. > > > > is this normal? running 10.1. > > No, its not. :-( > > Please run YaST Online Update and install the latest fixes we > published for the patch&update stack. Most probably it is not a bug, but more or less regular behavior. I had the same symptoms. I had configured an additional installation source (packman), which provided a package for some xine-thingy (IIRC), where the dependency could not be resolved automatically. Greetings, Stefan -- Stefan Schmidt Network Manager International University Bremen From RFC1925: "Good, fast and cheap: choose any two (you can't have all three)!" - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] round orange thingee
* Edward Dunagin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [Jun 09. 2006 18:59]: > in my tray, that little round thingee turned orange. in putting my cursor > on it is said i had 18 updates to download. i started it and found there was > > 18 updates, then it tells me it was resolving dependencies and then got a > screen > that says mishandled files or something like the, clicked ok and the screen > disappeared and the round orange thingee in my tray disappeared. > > is this normal? running 10.1. No, its not. :-( Please run YaST Online Update and install the latest fixes we published for the patch&update stack. If you already did this before, please file a bug report as advised at http://en.opensuse.org/Submitting_Bug_Reports Klaus - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] YOU userfriendliness - "YaST crashed" false reports
Hi, Volker Kuhlmann schrieb: > Also previously there > was a selection field for "show all available patches", "show > all installable patches" and "show appliccable patches only", or > something to that effect. I think that was a very good idea. Good proposal... I'm currently thinking a bit about how to improve the UI here. Actually I think that different colours and different symbols won't work, even if they are better distinguishable. They would still be confusing. Not showing unapplicable patches at all by default is the most promising approach IMHO. There are several ways to achieve that: - Use a drop-down menu, as suggested by Volker. The advantage is that it resembles what we had in 10.0. So it's familiar to those who used 10.0 and OK for those who start with 10.1. The disadvantage is that there is already a drop-down menu, the one where the user can switch between the updater and the normal installer. - Introduce some checkboxes. They could be below the left frame where the patches are shown. They could look like this: [ ] Show already installed patches [ ] Show unapplicable patches They should be unchecked by default, so less experienced people see only what they need and can basically click "Accept" all the time, but more experienced people can still access the full information. Applicable and to-be-installed patches should always be shown, of course. But the question is, what are applicable patches. Patches for installed packages are applicable. Patches for not installed packages are not applicable. But patches with no base packages in the normal installation source - like netbeans, and maybe also msttcorefonts, if they come back - are applicable. Is there a way to determine this status automatically? Another place where some improvements can be made is the way YOU exits if there is nothing to do. I'm not sure if this is still necessary after implementing something similar to the above proposal, but just in case: The "Do you want to install further stuff?" dialog from sw_single could be reused here. 10.0 didn't have that and it was OK without it, so it's just an idea how to make sure the user doesn't think that YOU crashed. Andreas Hanke - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] YOU userfriendliness - "YaST crashed" false reports
Stanislav Visnovsky wrote: Dňa Po 12. Jún 2006 08:39 jdd napísal: Volker Kuhlmann wrote: Yes, I needed a double-take on the different tick marks too. I just take a look at YOU, and the color/tick use is not understandable and the help don't help :-( the color meaning is not given (at least I didn't find the meaning), the help say the tick mean "need to be installed", but ticked pathches are not installed (or are already installed) this should be cleared out We are looking into this. Please, consider it to be another "rough edge" introduced by ZYPP. Functionality was first to be cleaned up... Stano - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] no problem, discussion can continue on bugzilla (not really discussion, but adding facts) jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://dodin.org/galerie_photo_web/expo/index.html http://lucien.dodin.net http://fr.susewiki.org/index.php?title=Gérer_ses_photos - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
