SPAM: Re: [opensuse-factory] There are 2 desktop on Gnome!

2006-07-20 Thread The Nice Spider
 On Wed, 2006-07-19 at 19:41 -0700, The Nice Spider
wrote:
 1. look at the task bar, after Places there is
 Desktop but in right-bottom 
 corner there Desktop Icon too. I think the
Desktop
 (with some app there, 
 such as Control Center, yast, lock screen and
logout)
 is usefull and make 
 confuse, better put only Lock Screen and Logout
in
 the Application.
 
 2. Application task bar name is TOTALLY wrong!
Because
 there is System and 
 Yast there. I think better used another name such
as
 ..  i don't know. 
 Look at:
 a. WinXP, they named it Start
 b. Redhat (for those who anti-windows, I give u
this
 sample), they only put 
 the RH Logo
 
 After user click the suse icon then the taskbar
will
 show all app in their 
 category, this is more make sense
 
 3. Please by default put the Desktop icon on left
 side, opensuse not put it 
 on right side. please provide click and drag of the
 desktop. you can do that 
 by modifying the gnome, i only told you the way
even i
 can not do it my self 
 :) easy to speak cause i don't know how to modify
 gnome. 
 
 The menu bar in 10.2 will be replaced by the main
menu of SLE shortly.
 
 -JP
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perfect! if already available i want to make a first try.

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Re: [opensuse-factory] skipping partition module

2006-07-20 Thread jdd

Stanislav Visnovsky wrote:


Try this argument for booting the installation:

AddSwap: 0|3|/dev/hda5
 if 0, never ask for swap; if the argument is a positive number n, activate 
the nth swap partition; if the argument is a partition name, activate this 
swap partition


very interesting, thanks
jdd

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Re: [opensuse-factory] Packagage Groupings - From Selections in10.1 to Patterns in 10.2

2006-07-20 Thread houghi
On Wed, Jul 19, 2006 at 06:20:38PM -0700, The Nice Spider wrote:
 does this the purpose of pattern? or may I
 misunderstanding this?
 who send the petrol to ubuntu (gnome), xandos (kde),
 fox (kde), rh desktop 
 (gnome)? better we provide official package while
 still include other 
 package as extra/optional package, imho. 

This is SUSE (soon openSUSE), not ubuntu, xandos, rh desktop, ...

The HUGE advantage is that we give real choice. Droping either would be an
extremely bad move. It would say to 50% of its users: we don't care what
you want. And that is saying it politely.
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[opensuse-factory] SPAM: SF2 not allow incoming for high ports?

2006-07-20 Thread The Nice Spider
since FW_INCOMING_HIGHPORTS_TCP is deleted, now how do
i open port 5050 for 
YM? 


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Re: [opensuse-factory] SPAM: Suggestion to Bugzilla

2006-07-20 Thread houghi
On Thu, Jul 20, 2006 at 12:51:33AM -0700, The Nice Spider wrote:
 hi, better provide the last reply by in the
 bugzilla, to make me easy to 
 know that already reply by someone especially if the
 status un-changed. 
 currently i must open detail bug one by one to know if
 there're any reply. 

I get an email when somebody replies.
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Re: [opensuse-factory] SPAM: Warning! SuseFirewall2 by default allow any port for INCOMING!

2006-07-20 Thread Kenneth Schneider
On Wed, 2006-07-19 at 23:08 -0700, The Nice Spider wrote:
 let's me tell you in these steps (sorry for my bad
 english):
 1. I have 2 NIC: 1 internal and 1 external. the
 external is using public IP.
 2. on  yast, i check masquerading
 3. external and internal allowed service ONLY listed:
 http
 4. but my clients can access any outside POP/SMTP
 server (including yahoo 
 using Ypops in their local PC), and maybe many others
 services.
 

If you want to control _outbound_ access look into using squid, that is
what it was designed for. The firewall is designed mainly for _inbound_
access control.

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Re: [opensuse-factory] SPAM: Warning! SuseFirewall2 by default allow any port for INCOMING!

2006-07-20 Thread jdd

Kenneth Schneider wrote:

On Wed, 2006-07-19 at 23:08 -0700, The Nice Spider wrote:


let's me tell you in these steps (sorry for my bad
english):
1. I have 2 NIC: 1 internal and 1 external. the
external is using public IP.
2. on  yast, i check masquerading
3. external and internal allowed service ONLY listed:
http
4. but my clients can access any outside POP/SMTP
server (including yahoo 
using Ypops in their local PC), and maybe many others

services.




If you want to control _outbound_ access look into using squid, that is
what it was designed for. The firewall is designed mainly for _inbound_
access control.


and here, inbound mean the inside of the server itself 
(hence the http for external _and_ internal branches of the 
network)


usually any call from the internal branch of the net is 
accepted (natted) and any answer to it.


jdd


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Re: [opensuse-factory] SPAM: Warning! SuseFirewall2 by default allow any port for INCOMING!

2006-07-20 Thread houghi
On Thu, Jul 20, 2006 at 02:13:19PM +0200, jdd wrote:
 If you want to control _outbound_ access look into using squid, that is
 what it was designed for. The firewall is designed mainly for _inbound_
 access control.
 
 and here, inbound mean the inside of the server itself 
 (hence the http for external _and_ internal branches of the 
 network)

Inbound normaly means from outside of somthing into something. Incomming
is perhaps a better or easier word.

So it goes from outside of the server, into the server. Wether this is WAN
or LAN is irrelevant. It is perfectly possible to have inbount traffic
from WAN to LAN, because you need to look from the point of view of the
server.

Is it trafic generated by the server then it is outbound. If it is traffic
for the server, then it is inbound. If the server IS the firewall, then a
connection from WAN to LAN will be both inbound and outbound. Client asks
the server access on port 80 - Inbound. Server passes it on the the
crrect place - Outbound.
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Re: [opensuse-factory] x86_64 and ppc gone?

2006-07-20 Thread Eberhard Moenkeberg

Hi,

On Thu, 20 Jul 2006, Lars Rupp wrote:

Am Mi 19.07.2006 23:15 schrieb Eberhard Moenkeberg [EMAIL PROTECTED]:



x86_64 and ppc should be available again with the next build. Sorry
for
creating extra traffic,


OK, reappeared.
But now the repodata directory got lost...


Hm. We have it here on all internal servers.
Perhaps this is just a sync error - I'll have to investigate.


The repodata are back, with a timestamp of 13:09 h today.

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Re: [opensuse-factory] SPAM: Warning! SuseFirewall2 by default allow any port for INCOMING!

2006-07-20 Thread Ludwig Nussel
houghi wrote:
 [...]
 Is it trafic generated by the server then it is outbound. If it is traffic
 for the server, then it is inbound. If the server IS the firewall, then a
 connection from WAN to LAN will be both inbound and outbound. Client asks
 the server access on port 80 - Inbound. Server passes it on the the
 crrect place - Outbound.

from iptables' point of view it's neither. Packets not destined for
the host itself travel through the FORWARD chain and don't show up
in INPUT nor OUTPUT.

cu
Ludwig

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Re: [opensuse-factory] SPAM: Warning! SuseFirewall2 by default allow any port for INCOMING!

2006-07-20 Thread Ludwig Nussel
jdd wrote:
 [...]
 I already noted that the documentation of SuSEfirewall2 is 
 extremely ambiguous on this respect.

Where? Send patches to me.

cu
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SPAM: Re: [opensuse-factory] SPAM: Warning! SuseFirewall2 by defaultallow any port for INCOMING!

2006-07-20 Thread The Nice Spider
 On Wed, 2006-07-19 at 23:08 -0700, The Nice Spider
wrote:
 let's me tell you in these steps (sorry for my bad
 english):
 1. I have 2 NIC: 1 internal and 1 external. the
 external is using public IP.
 2. on  yast, i check masquerading
 3. external and internal allowed service ONLY
listed:
 http
 4. but my clients can access any outside POP/SMTP
 server (including yahoo
 using Ypops in their local PC), and maybe many
others
 services.


 If you want to control _outbound_ access look into
using squid, that is
 what it was designed for. The firewall is designed
mainly for _inbound_
 access control.

 KS

oops! i see sf2 also open unpriviledges ports! i
suggest to block all 
icoming ports by default otherwise open only
priviledges ports! using squid 
is not the solution, because iptables can handle this
simple thing.

bug in sf2 documentation:
- section 11. default value is no BUT my clients can 
access port 6000 for 
IRC!




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[opensuse-factory] SPAM: SF2: please change SF2 to sf only if possible.

2006-07-20 Thread The Nice Spider
list all services, then you will see sf2 using
SuSEfirewall2 instead 
susefirewall2, i suggest only named as susefirewall
all in LOWERCASE, like 
squid, named, mysql, samba. Not MySQL or SquiD. 


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