Re: [opensuse-factory] perfect 10.2 GM download

2006-12-07 Thread Boyd Lynn Gerber
On Fri, 8 Dec 2006, Carlos E. R. wrote:
> The Thursday 2006-12-07 at 20:13 -0500, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
>
> > > I don't know if ares2c is capable of a similar thing, but I had thought
> > > the metalink file included torrents as well.
> >
> > Apparently not  :^(, I'm uploading at nearly the same rate as the
> > torrent download, but I am seeding  :^)
>
> ares2c destroyed my download. It finished with a checksum error, then it
> destroyed the downloaded file. I'm not using it again :-/

Did you use the guru rpm's?  I did not have any problems with them.  I
download all iso with them, torrent, and ftp.  They all worked.  I wanted
to make sure all methods worked.  I had a high of 600 K on my friends
cable modem.  Average was 350-400 K.  My own DSL is 1.5/1.0 M down/up.  I
get max of 130 K on it.

I know I should have only done it once, but I had to make sure they all
worked.  Sorry for the added conjestion.  I have now installed it on 14
machines.  The slowest was 60 MHz with 128 MB, 750 MB swap.  I am
currently running it on a PIII 667 MHz with 128 MB 750 swap.  I used the
network text mode install.  This is by far the best 10.x release.  An is
the fastest.  I do have to tame beagle by stoping it, moving the init
file, set it up to run when I am not using the machine, by moving it back
and starting it and running it.

Thanks for GREAT RELEASE.

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Re: [opensuse-factory] perfect 10.2 GM download

2006-12-07 Thread Carlos E. R.
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The Thursday 2006-12-07 at 20:13 -0500, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

> > I don't know if ares2c is capable of a similar thing, but I had thought 
> > the metalink file included torrents as well.
> 
> Apparently not  :^(, I'm uploading at nearly the same rate as the
> torrent download, but I am seeding  :^)

ares2c destroyed my download. It finished with a checksum error, then it 
destroyed the downloaded file. I'm not using it again :-/

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[opensuse-factory] Mouse instability again!

2006-12-07 Thread Keith Goggin
Hi,

Just installed openSUSE10.2 GM from the i386 DVD and the mouse became unstable 
during the Hardware configuration stage (Graphics Card & Monitor).

I rebooted and continued the install without configuring the monitor (accepted 
the default resolution) and the install completed OK. This appears to be a 
regression problem as it was not present in RC1 but was in earlier 
alpha/betas. Note the problem is not in the installed system only in the 
installation program.

Video Card ATI: Radeon 9200
SAX2:   ATI RV280 5964

Monitor:Philips 107P4
SAX2:   PHL PHILIPS 107P4
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Re: [opensuse-factory] perfect 10.2 GM download

2006-12-07 Thread Patrick Shanahan
* Carlos E. R. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [12-07-06 19:00]:
> The Thursday 2006-12-07 at 18:04 -0500, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
> 
> > The torrent wants to do the download again.  How do you see w/o
> > repeating the dl at the much slower torrent speeds.
> 
> It would be possible to:
> 
>  - start btdownloadcurses
>  - allow it to download for some seconds, and stop it.
>  - notice where it started to put the image, and copy the already 
>downloaded image over it, or symlink it.
>  - start up btdownloadcurses again. I will compare the file it sees with 
>the checksum it has, and if it checks correctly will start seeding 
>right away.
> 
> I don't know if ares2c is capable of a similar thing, but I had thought 
> the metalink file included torrents as well.

Apparently not  :^(, I'm uploading at nearly the same rate as the
torrent download, but I am seeding  :^)

I will take this up with Tatsuhiro Tsujikawa, pgm author.
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Re: [opensuse-factory] perfect 10.2 GM download

2006-12-07 Thread Carlos E. R.
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The Thursday 2006-12-07 at 18:04 -0500, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

> The torrent wants to do the download again.  How do you see w/o
> repeating the dl at the much slower torrent speeds.

It would be possible to:

 - start btdownloadcurses
 - allow it to download for some seconds, and stop it.
 - notice where it started to put the image, and copy the already 
   downloaded image over it, or symlink it.
 - start up btdownloadcurses again. I will compare the file it sees with 
   the checksum it has, and if it checks correctly will start seeding 
   right away.

I don't know if ares2c is capable of a similar thing, but I had thought 
the metalink file included torrents as well.

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Re: [opensuse-factory] perfect 10.2 GM download

2006-12-07 Thread Carlos E. R.
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The Thursday 2006-12-07 at 17:10 -, Francis Giannaros wrote:

> Yes, like I said, it won't seed unless you use the torrent file 
> ("obviously"). 
> The links that metalink files provide are just mirrors. If you want to see, 
> grab the .torrent file and seed the already-downloaded ISO that you have.

But a torrent client feeds as it goes, right from the start.

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Re: [opensuse-factory] perfect 10.2 GM download

2006-12-07 Thread Patrick Shanahan
* Francis Giannaros <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [12-07-06 12:14]:
> Yes, like I said, it won't seed unless you use the torrent file
> ("obviously").  The links that metalink files provide are just
> mirrors. If you want to see, grab the .torrent file and seed the
> already-downloaded ISO that you have.

The torrent wants to do the download again.  How do you see w/o
repeating the dl at the much slower torrent speeds.
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Re: [opensuse-factory] openSUE 10.3

2006-12-07 Thread Vincenzo Barranco

Hi,
Thanks for your answer Andreas :-)

Vincenzo

2006/12/7, Andreas Hanke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:


jdd schrieb:
> give them some time to relax (10.2 is a really good job :-) and pass the
> christmas holidays and say we could go on by jan 2007?

Actually the tree is already open for 10.3 development (and it has
already started), but it won't be synced out in the next weeks to save
mirror bandwidth for the 10.2 downloads.

So you won't see the changes in factory for a while, but they are
already happening.
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Re: [opensuse-factory] openSUE 10.3

2006-12-07 Thread Andreas Hanke
jdd schrieb:
> give them some time to relax (10.2 is a really good job :-) and pass the
> christmas holidays and say we could go on by jan 2007?

Actually the tree is already open for 10.3 development (and it has
already started), but it won't be synced out in the next weeks to save
mirror bandwidth for the 10.2 downloads.

So you won't see the changes in factory for a while, but they are
already happening.
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Re: [opensuse-factory] openSUE 10.3

2006-12-07 Thread Vincenzo Barranco

Hi,
Itsn't my intetion force the developer to start the 10.3 testing, this mail
is only for information, and my all congratulation to openSUSE team for the
10.2 relase (for me the first relase that I'ho downloaded from 1 alpha to
the GM)

Vincenzo

2006/12/7, jdd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:


Vincenzo Barranco a écrit :
> Hi guys,
> The 10.2 GM was relased today ufficialy, and in factory repository it
> was from 30 November, now wehn we start with the 10.3 test and
development?
>
> Vincenzo
>
give them some time to relax (10.2 is a really good job :-)
and pass the christmas holidays and say we could go on by
jan 2007?

just my 2 cents :-)
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Re: [opensuse-factory] openSUE 10.3

2006-12-07 Thread jdd

Vincenzo Barranco a écrit :

Hi guys,
The 10.2 GM was relased today ufficialy, and in factory repository it 
was from 30 November, now wehn we start with the 10.3 test and development?


Vincenzo

give them some time to relax (10.2 is a really good job :-) 
and pass the christmas holidays and say we could go on by 
jan 2007?


just my 2 cents :-)
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Re: [opensuse-factory] GM release

2006-12-07 Thread Boyd Lynn Gerber
On Wed, 6 Dec 2006, Rajko M wrote:
> On Wednesday 06 December 2006 07:48, Carlos E. R. wrote:
> > The Tuesday 2006-12-05 at 19:20 -0600, Rajko M wrote:
> > > I thought that more people with underpowered machines are present on
> > > openSUSE, but that is obviously not the case :-)
> >
> > Why do you say that? I'm interested, but I'm no developper, I don't think
> > I can contribute. What kind of contribution is needed?
>
> To make MiniSUSE running, it is necessary to understand Installation, as it is
> proven that even the 10.1 can run in text mode or some GUI with modest
> requests to hardware. I tested it with 300 MHz CPU and 128 MB RAM, and I'm
> satisfied. It is not flying, but for sure not crawling like under KDE.
> The same machine had FreeBSD, and PC BSD with KDE, and it was slow during KDE
> startup, but usable afterwards, so there is room for optimization.

I was able to install 10.2 on a 60MHz Machine with 128 MB RAM.  I was not
able to get it to install with 96 MB RAM.  KDE is not really usable.  But
you can run X.  It was OK woth 4-5 Xterm's.  SeaMonkey was a bit SLOW.  It
would get slugish.  There are better OS/Distro for this class of machine.
It did take 10-14 hours to install.  I did have to create a 750 MB swap
partition to install and I had to do it in Text mode.  But it worked.  It
was not doing well or failed on a 32 MHz machine so I stopped/gave up the
install.  I do not remember right now too much playing with various
configurations.  I no longer am using 10.2 on my 60 MHz machine.  I had to
over-write it to do real work for a client.  But I thought I should report
my findings.  I really like 10.2.

Thanks so much for a great Release.  The new paterns really assist with
lower class machines.

New HW is comodity and made to break.  I have had 8 machines since 2001/2
DIE but my older machines just keep on going.  I had 2 2.0 GHz machines
dies 1-2 years after purchase.  Just after waranty expires..  Other were
fast but died.  I sware newer machines are made do die right safter
warenty. expires.

Good Luck,

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[opensuse-factory] openSUE 10.3

2006-12-07 Thread Vincenzo Barranco

Hi guys,
The 10.2 GM was relased today ufficialy, and in factory repository it was
from 30 November, now wehn we start with the 10.3 test and development?

Vincenzo


Re: [opensuse-factory] perfect 10.2 GM download

2006-12-07 Thread Francis Giannaros
On Thursday 07 December 2006 16:18, Carlos E. R. wrote:
> I plugged in the metalink link, obviously; and it is not seeding. It is
> pulling from ftp servers only, AFAIK.

Yes, like I said, it won't seed unless you use the torrent file ("obviously"). 
The links that metalink files provide are just mirrors. If you want to see, 
grab the .torrent file and seed the already-downloaded ISO that you have.

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Re: [opensuse-factory] perfect 10.2 GM download

2006-12-07 Thread Carlos E. R.
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The Thursday 2006-12-07 at 15:45 -, Francis Giannaros wrote:

> > Will aria2c seed? I don't think so, but :-?
> 
> aria2 is also a torrent client, so if you plug in the .torrent file into it, 
> it will start seeding, yeah.

I plugged in the metalink link, obviously; and it is not seeding. It is 
pulling from ftp servers only, AFAIK.

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Re: [opensuse-factory] perfect 10.2 GM download

2006-12-07 Thread Francis Giannaros
On Thursday 07 December 2006 14:27, Carlos E. R. wrote:
> Will aria2c seed? I don't think so, but :-?

aria2 is also a torrent client, so if you plug in the .torrent file into it, 
it will start seeding, yeah.

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Re: [opensuse-factory] rug update feedback

2006-12-07 Thread Eberhard Moenkeberg
Hi,

On Thu, 7 Dec 2006, Felix Miata wrote:

> rug lu showed 18-20 packages available to update, so I did rug up. For
> several minutes after listing a bunch of URLs it apparently planned to
> do, it just sat there with :
> 
> Transaction
>  0%.
> 
> Finally it started a progress bar in the space in front of 0%. Currently
> it's at 11%. There's no indication whether progress is normal, or the
> mirror is running inadequately. This process that should take maybe 5
> minutes could wind up taking 5 hours. This is really a too minimalist
> interface, considering how long it takes to leave 0%.

Today is the very special day: all mirrors are running "inadequately".
At GWDG I have 3970 clients sharing 500 MBit/sec currently.
Guess why. ;-))

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Re: [opensuse-factory] christmas screen

2006-12-07 Thread Felix Miata
On 2006/12/07 12:27 (GMT+0100) Steffen Winterfeldt apparently typed:

> On Thu, 7 Dec 2006, Steffen Winterfeldt wrote:

>> # mkdir foo
>> # cd foo
>> # cpio -i > # edit something

>> # find | cpio -H newc -o >/boot/message

> Sorry, must be

> # find | cpio -o >/boot/message

> of course.

Thank you. I had tried the syntax in the first example from cpio --help,
and got nowhere figuring out how name-list works. I also tried the -O
syntax, but got only 512 bytes file output each time.
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[opensuse-factory] rug update feedback

2006-12-07 Thread Felix Miata
rug lu showed 18-20 packages available to update, so I did rug up. For
several minutes after listing a bunch of URLs it apparently planned to
do, it just sat there with :

Transaction
 0%.

Finally it started a progress bar in the space in front of 0%. Currently
it's at 11%. There's no indication whether progress is normal, or the
mirror is running inadequately. This process that should take maybe 5
minutes could wind up taking 5 hours. This is really a too minimalist
interface, considering how long it takes to leave 0%.
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Re: [opensuse-factory] perfect 10.2 GM download

2006-12-07 Thread Carlos E. R.
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The Thursday 2006-12-07 at 08:59 -0500, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

> me2, aria2c -M openSUSE-10_2-GM-DVD-x86_64_iso.metalink 
>  about 600.00 KB/s, but only 7 connections (usually 45-55)

Same here - well, about 100 KB, the maximum of my adsl link.


> I will get the non-OSS cd and the i386 dvd and seed all three for a
> month or so 

Will aria2c seed? I don't think so, but :-?

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Re: [opensuse-factory] perfect 10.2 GM download

2006-12-07 Thread Patrick Shanahan
* houghi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [12-07-06 06:51]:
> Same here. I download now via Azureaus with about 350kB/s with peaks to
> 450. This is the fastest torrent I have ever seen. Maximum download I can
> get via e.g. FTP would be 500kB.

me2, aria2c -M openSUSE-10_2-GM-DVD-x86_64_iso.metalink 
 about 600.00 KB/s, but only 7 connections (usually 45-55)
 
I will get the non-OSS cd and the i386 dvd and seed all three for a
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Re: [opensuse-factory] christmas screen

2006-12-07 Thread Carlos E. R.
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The Wednesday 2006-12-06 at 21:12 -0800, Randall R Schulz wrote:

> > > But the tradeoff with per-file compression is that you typically
> > > get rather poor compression for archives that contain many small
> > > files.
> >
> > Yes, the compression ratio is a bit worse, but that's something I
> > will happily sacrifice for safety where backups are concerned.
> 
> But what is this "safety" we're talking about? Usually if a file is 
> corrupted, it's massively corrupted and if it's intact, then it's 
> intact.
> 
> It's a specious safety you get with the CPIO approach. Either you 
> back-ups are intact or they're not.

No, that's not the point.

A single error in a tar.gz archive renders the whole archive useless, with 
all its contents - because it is the tar archive that is compressed.

On the other hand, if the files are first compressed and then archived 
with cpio, a single media error will only inutilize the single file 
affected, not the whole.

That's way safer, IMO. And not only IMO.

> >I have some backups of an entire HD done using nearly a hundred
> >floppies - you can imagine when - and the whole backup is still
> > fully retrievable, although some floppies have errors.
> 
> Yes. Thank god we're now far beyond the floppy era. There is nothing 
> that can meaningfully be done with a diskette as far as archiving or 
> back-ups are concerned. 

You seem to not read the complete paragraph and then jump to 
the wrong conclusions too fast. I mentioned disquetes only because that 
application was able to make reliable backups with unreliable media, and 
thus I would like to have a modern app in linux able to do the same thing 
with modern media - not disquetes.

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Re: [opensuse-factory] perfect 10.2 GM download

2006-12-07 Thread Peter Czanik
Hello,
I started seeding a yesterday, and seeded already over 300G before
announcements :-) I wonder what happens then, now I'm seeding with 6
megabytes / sec...
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Re: [opensuse-factory] perfect 10.2 GM download

2006-12-07 Thread houghi
On Thu, Dec 07, 2006 at 12:00:55PM +0100, Dominique Leuenberger wrote:
> something I can only second. The download I started last night was
> perfectly finished this morning (downloaded i586 and x86_64 isos). And I
> 'only; have a 2mbit DSL.
> 
> And a promise on the side: I'll continue seeding it for a while :-) so
> hopefully a lot more will download it.

Same here. I download now via Azureaus with about 350kB/s with peaks to
450. This is the fastest torrent I have ever seen. Maximum download I can
get via e.g. FTP would be 500kB.

I wonder what will happen when it is posted to slashdod and/or digg.

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Re: [opensuse-factory] perfect 10.2 GM download

2006-12-07 Thread jdd

Frank-Michael Fischer a écrit :

I'd just like to share my excitement how fast the
openSUSE-10.2-GM-DVD-i386.iso download went this morning.

The corresponding x86_64 torrent is pretty fast, too, quite an
improvement from last release.


bitorrents where diffused in advance, thanks to openSUSE 
admins, so several seeders are already available (I serve on 
my dsl line 50 clients on a total of 310 for 1386 dvd, and 
there are 57 sources)


but till the official annoucement, the dowloaders accept to 
keep seeding for anybody at least 1 or 2 weeks, to reduce 
the today expected peak :-)


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Re: [opensuse-factory] christmas screen

2006-12-07 Thread Steffen Winterfeldt
On Thu, 7 Dec 2006, Steffen Winterfeldt wrote:

> # mkdir foo
> # cd foo
> # cpio -i  
> # edit something
> 
> # find | cpio -H newc -o >/boot/message

Sorry, must be

# find | cpio -o >/boot/message

of course.


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Re: [opensuse-factory] christmas screen

2006-12-07 Thread Steffen Winterfeldt
On Wed, 6 Dec 2006, Felix Miata wrote:

> On 2006/12/06 17:27 (GMT+0100) Marcel Hilzinger apparently typed:
> 
> > Am Mittwoch, 6. Dezember 2006 17:17 schrieb Felix Miata:
> 
> >> On 2006/12/06 15:53 (GMT+0100) Steffen Winterfeldt apparently typed:
> 
> >> > BTW, the online help mentions how to configure it.
> 
> >> It says:
> 
> >> "Like it or hate it? Edit gfxboot.cfg in /boot/message to have it always
> >> or get rid of it."
> 
> >> /boot/message is apparently a binary file, and 379,904 bytes. How do you
> >> suggest to edit it?
> 
> > cpio -i /boot/message
> 
> All that has done is removed my shell prompt from the screen. What next?

*sigh*

# mkdir foo
# cd foo
# cpio -i /boot/message


Steffen
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Re: [opensuse-factory] perfect 10.2 GM download

2006-12-07 Thread Dominique Leuenberger


>>> Reply on 07-12-2006 12:59:46 <<<

> I'd just like to share my excitement how fast the
> openSUSE-10.2-GM-DVD-i386.iso download went this morning.
> 
> The corresponding x86_64 torrent is pretty fast, too, quite an
> improvement from last release.
> 
> Congratulations!
> 

something I can only second. The download I started last night was
perfectly finished this morning (downloaded i586 and x86_64 isos). And I
'only; have a 2mbit DSL.

And a promise on the side: I'll continue seeding it for a while :-) so
hopefully a lot more will download it.

Dominique
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[opensuse-factory] perfect 10.2 GM download

2006-12-07 Thread Frank-Michael Fischer
I'd just like to share my excitement how fast the
openSUSE-10.2-GM-DVD-i386.iso download went this morning.

The corresponding x86_64 torrent is pretty fast, too, quite an
improvement from last release.

Congratulations!

FMF

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