Re: [opensuse-factory] Bug 177758
houghi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Sat, May 27, 2006 at 04:05:18PM +0200, Andreas Jaeger wrote: >> Edit /etc/zmd/zmd.conf and change the sleep-interval: >> [Server] >> sleep-interval=1800 >> >> Change 1800 to something larger... > > Is there a maximum? Are there disadvantages if you use an extreme large > sleep-interval? e.g. what happens if you do a sleepinterval of 24 hours > and then use crontab to do a forced update at a moment where it does not > matter, like at 04:00 or whenever you least likely are going to use it. You want to restart zmd at least once a week since there were definiteyl and might still be some resource leaks in mono that make it wise to restart, Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger, [EMAIL PROTECTED], http://www.suse.de/~aj/ SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126 pgp4J8JA4li7w.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [opensuse-factory] Bug 177758
> I wonder if anyone has come up with any problems with houghi's > workaround? > Or any other workaroud? > > When ZMD has gone asleep: > > time rug sl > Waking up ZMD...Done > > # | Status | Type | Name| URI > --++--+-+--- > 1 | Active | ZYPP | SUSE-Linux-10.1-DVD-i386-10.1-0-20060524-035909 | > ftp://1... > 2 | Active | ZYPP | SUSE-Linux-10.1-Updates | > http://... > 3 | Active | YUM | packman | > http://... > 4 | Active | ZYPP | guru| > ftp://f... > > real13m58.045s > user0m1.744s > sys 0m0.164s > > Last time , It taked more than 3 minutes to wake up in an amd64 1GB RAM, CLI only install. this is what I call a real pig. and it's nearly unusable in low resource systems. :-( Using rug it's completely out of question for me. -- Cristian Rodriguez [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- http://www.fastmail.fm - I mean, what is it about a decent email service? - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Bug 177758
Hi, > Why does this executable live in /usr/lib64? This seems to be known as https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=162302 https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=162464 I disagree with the resolution in both cases, but maybe it's better to just not touch it any more if it works now and there were problems finding the executables in the past. Especially if this resolution was proposed by the project manager himself. ;) Andreas Hanke -- Bis zu 70% Ihrer Onlinekosten sparen: GMX SmartSurfer! Kostenlos downloaden: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/smartsurfer - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Bug 177758
Andreas Jaeger wrote: > Vahis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > >> houghi wrote: >> >>> On Wed, May 24, 2006 at 03:05:56PM +0200, Andreas Jaeger wrote: >>> >>> zmd does not store everything, so for every wakeup we have to parse the xml data. This still takes a long time :-( >>> Having a crontab every 20 minutes seems to do the trick Just keep it >>> awake. I do not know what the concequences are and it seems to be an >>> extremely ugly trick, I think. >>> >>> >> I wonder if anyone has come up with any problems with houghi's workaround? >> Or any other workaroud? >> > > Edit /etc/zmd/zmd.conf and change the sleep-interval: > [Server] > sleep-interval=1800 > > Change 1800 to something larger... > > Andreas > But doesn't this only make him go to sleep more seldom? The next time I need him he's asleep again anyway.. I'd need him to be awake, fresh and ready when I need him. Houghi's solution obviously would do that, but as he said, it's processor load and server traffic in vain. I have had refresh on in all my YaST sources in 10.0, so I know it takes a lot of time to refresh, so maybe it's just the same here. When I know I'm going to need zmd, I'll ask him to wake up and go do something else for a while. In case I forget him for a too long time, I think what Andreas says will prevent him from going to sleep again too soon. Vahis -- Sometimes I answer to top posters. Once. http://waxborg.servepics.com/English/Linux/SUSE.10.1/suse10.1.html SUSE Linux 10.1 Suomi: http://waxborg.servepics.com/Linux/10.1/suse-10.1.html - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Bug 177758
On Sat, May 27, 2006 at 04:05:18PM +0200, Andreas Jaeger wrote: > Edit /etc/zmd/zmd.conf and change the sleep-interval: > [Server] > sleep-interval=1800 > > Change 1800 to something larger... Is there a maximum? Are there disadvantages if you use an extreme large sleep-interval? e.g. what happens if you do a sleepinterval of 24 hours and then use crontab to do a forced update at a moment where it does not matter, like at 04:00 or whenever you least likely are going to use it. One disadvatages I can imagine on the top of my head are unneeded load on the servers. What if you make the timeout a week, or a month, or indefinite? -- houghi http://houghi.org http://www.plainfaqs.org/linux/ http://www.netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html > > Today I went outside. My pupils have never been tinier... - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Bug 177758
Vahis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > houghi wrote: >> On Wed, May 24, 2006 at 03:05:56PM +0200, Andreas Jaeger wrote: >> >>> zmd does not store everything, so for every wakeup we have to parse >>> the xml data. This still takes a long time :-( >>> >> >> Having a crontab every 20 minutes seems to do the trick Just keep it >> awake. I do not know what the concequences are and it seems to be an >> extremely ugly trick, I think. >> > > I wonder if anyone has come up with any problems with houghi's workaround? > Or any other workaroud? Edit /etc/zmd/zmd.conf and change the sleep-interval: [Server] sleep-interval=1800 Change 1800 to something larger... Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger, [EMAIL PROTECTED], http://www.suse.de/~aj/ SUSE Linux Products GmbH, Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126 pgpmLnPRDotNi.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [opensuse-factory] Bug 177758
houghi wrote: > On Wed, May 24, 2006 at 03:05:56PM +0200, Andreas Jaeger wrote: > >> zmd does not store everything, so for every wakeup we have to parse >> the xml data. This still takes a long time :-( >> > > Having a crontab every 20 minutes seems to do the trick Just keep it > awake. I do not know what the concequences are and it seems to be an > extremely ugly trick, I think. > I wonder if anyone has come up with any problems with houghi's workaround? Or any other workaroud? When ZMD has gone asleep: time rug sl Waking up ZMD...Done # | Status | Type | Name| URI --++--+-+--- 1 | Active | ZYPP | SUSE-Linux-10.1-DVD-i386-10.1-0-20060524-035909 | ftp://1... 2 | Active | ZYPP | SUSE-Linux-10.1-Updates | http://... 3 | Active | YUM | packman | http://... 4 | Active | ZYPP | guru| ftp://f... real13m58.045s user0m1.744s sys 0m0.164s That's 14 minutes, can hardly wait! Then within his time awake: time rug sl # | Status | Type | Name| URI --++--+-+--- 1 | Active | ZYPP | SUSE-Linux-10.1-DVD-i386-10.1-0-20060524-035909 | ftp://1... 2 | Active | ZYPP | SUSE-Linux-10.1-Updates | http://... 3 | Active | YUM | packman | http://... 4 | Active | ZYPP | guru| ftp://f... real0m1.989s user0m1.632s sys 0m0.128s As houghi's solution keeps him awake, it seems like a cure for the time being or what? Vahis -- Sometimes I answer to top posters. Once. http://waxborg.servepics.com/English/Linux/SUSE.10.1/suse10.1.html SUSE Linux 10.1 Suomi: http://waxborg.servepics.com/Linux/10.1/suse-10.1.html - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Bug 177758
tirsdag 23 maj 2006 18:56 skrev Graham Anderson: > I've seen this requested many times on IRC and the mailing lists > but im not sure if anyone has made a feature request in bugzilla. I made an enhancement to bugzilla for this for one of the 10.1 betas myself: https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?sourceid=Mozilla-search&id=159803 AJ made half a promise it would be there in 10.2 :) Martin / cb400f - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Bug 177758
Graham Anderson wrote: What is even more annoying is that this has been a problem with yast inst_source module for a while. I cant remember if it ever had a progress indicator. I've seen this requested many times on IRC and the mailing lists but im not sure if anyone has made a feature request in bugzilla. it's even worst when some source gives a warning windows that needs to be acknowledged before the work continue... FYI, I use rug for my software management Yast is the standard system and should stay so. I don't mind what subsystem is used if through yast jdd (AFAIK, Mandrake have (had?) the same sort of problem) -- http://www.dodin.net http://dodin.org/galerie_photo_web/expo/index.html http://lucien.dodin.net http://fr.susewiki.org/index.php?title=Gérer_ses_photos - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Bug 177758
Graham Anderson wrote: > On Tuesday 23 May 2006 13:47, Martin Schlander wrote: > >> * YaST gives no information when it's downloading or refreshing repodata >> making inexperienced users think it's frozen. For inspiration on how to >> handle this I would look at the smart -gui which tells you what's >> downloaded, how much, from where, at what speed etc. >> > > Agreed. This is a huge show stopper for the new SUSE users that visit the IRC > channels wonidering what is going on. At a rough estimate I'd say say that > 95% of new users ( and there are many of them on a daily basis visit IRC and > ask about this ) assume YAST has frozen/crashed on them when they try to add > *any* online software repo, far less the main inst-sources. This is clearly > unacceptable. > > What is even more annoying is that this has been a problem with yast > inst_source module for a while. I cant remember if it ever had a progress > indicator. I've seen this requested many times on IRC and the mailing lists > but im not sure if anyone has made a feature request in bugzilla. > > FYI, I use rug for my software management, i add YUM sources because the > progress indicator for rug works if you add YUM sources. Of course there are > a couple of caveats, YUM sources added with rug do not synch with YaST. ZYPP > sources do synch with yast but the rug progress indicator is broken for them. > After some struggling with YaST as I used it the way I'm used to I made a fresh install and used rug all the way. That seemed to work well, I wrote some notes on my site. There's been quite a lot of traffic to that page since, so we'll see what people think. It's the first link in my sig :) Vahis -- Discovering SUSE Linux 10.1: http://waxborg.servepics.com/English/Linux/SUSE.10.1/suse10.1.html http://waxborg.servepics.com http://waxborg.servepics.com/English/Bikes/Trackdays/index.html - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Bug 177758
On Tuesday 23 May 2006 13:47, Martin Schlander wrote: > * If you add sources to yast they're automatically added to zen/rug - but > this doesn't work the other way around. YUM sources added with rug are not synched in yast, whether this is by design or oversight or broken I am unsure, i've still got a coupel of thigns i want to try and AJ's new test packages to try before i open a bug report. ZYPP sources added in rug synch with yast just fine ( at least here ). Cheers Graham - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Bug 177758
On Tuesday 23 May 2006 13:47, Martin Schlander wrote: > * YaST gives no information when it's downloading or refreshing repodata > making inexperienced users think it's frozen. For inspiration on how to > handle this I would look at the smart -gui which tells you what's > downloaded, how much, from where, at what speed etc. Agreed. This is a huge show stopper for the new SUSE users that visit the IRC channels wonidering what is going on. At a rough estimate I'd say say that 95% of new users ( and there are many of them on a daily basis visit IRC and ask about this ) assume YAST has frozen/crashed on them when they try to add *any* online software repo, far less the main inst-sources. This is clearly unacceptable. What is even more annoying is that this has been a problem with yast inst_source module for a while. I cant remember if it ever had a progress indicator. I've seen this requested many times on IRC and the mailing lists but im not sure if anyone has made a feature request in bugzilla. FYI, I use rug for my software management, i add YUM sources because the progress indicator for rug works if you add YUM sources. Of course there are a couple of caveats, YUM sources added with rug do not synch with YaST. ZYPP sources do synch with yast but the rug progress indicator is broken for them. Great huh? :P Cheers Graham - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Bug 177758
On Tuesday 23 May 2006 08:05, Marcus Meissner wrote: > We cannot confirm this behaviour. > > parse-metadata occassionaly leads to a slow down, but only a minute > at most and not on bootup. Is it possible that parse-metadata or update-status are looping waiting for the next metadata file to download? Please read the following and consider this as a contributing factor somewhere in the update stack chain. If not related to the problems with parse-metadata or update-status in it's own right it highlights symptoms many users are reporting. A user last night on #suse was having difficulty adding a mirror for the main installation source. His symptoms were that the inst_source module would seem to 'freeze' after he clicked the finish button. Now knowing that the main repo can take a while to download, and knowing that there is no progress indicator ( a *working* progress indicator for inst_source would be an improvement by orders of magnitude I cannot convey in written text ) I suspected that it was maybe a slow download of the repo metadata after he had clicked finish. I asked the user to try a few things and I was surprised to discover he would have the same problem for smaller repos with small sized metadata, I asked him to try adding a ZYPP source using rug and the same response, he would say that 'rug had stalled, it had frozen on 0% progress'. This was indicative of reports from many users in #suse over the past couple of weeks. Many of them report the same symptoms. Now, knowing the mirror is good and knowing that in rug the progress indicator when adding a ZYPP source is broken ( a *working* progress indicator for rug when adding ZYPP sources would be an improvement by orders of magnitude I cannot convey in written text ) I asked the user to add the same repository as a YUM source, knowing the progress indicator for YUM actually works ( Oh wait, this one works ;) ) I was quite suprised to discover just how slow his download of the catalog meta data was adding a YUM source. [09:14] * spyderous watches '13.0 bytes/s' [09:19] spyderous: your mirror is on your campus yeah? [09:21] cenuij: yeah, i get 1+M/s downloads [09:21] and your attached to the campus network with a 100Mbit/sec connection? [09:24] cenuij: sorry, yeah i am. didn't see what you said [09:27] spyderous: ok one more thing if you dont mind please :) could you try a wget on inst-source/suse/repodata/filelists.xml.gz ? [09:28] 42% [===>] 7,363,246 1.31M/sETA 00:08 So, on a 100Mbit/sec LAN/WAN connection the update stack was transfering the repo metadata at a staggering 13.0 bytes/s and from the same repo he was able to transfer metadata at 1.31M/s I understand this is not scientific, or conclusive and other factors may be at work here but we were able to reproduce the same symptoms and slow transfer using the update stack. Eventually he was able to add the main installation repo, I asked him how long it took; "20-30 minutes". I asked the user to file a bug report, hopefull he will. Of course if anyone has time to test this or profile whatever network aware part of the update stack may be causing this... Cheers the noo Graham - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Bug 177758
houghi wrote: > On Wed, May 24, 2006 at 09:17:41PM +0200, Marcus Meissner wrote: > >>> It should be a nice way to test online updates. Just to test the update >>> process. Edit the Release Notes to include: Update worked or just change >>> an icon. Just something to test the process. >>> >> I have been planning this for regular online updates, but we did not (and >> likely still don't) have resources to do so. >> > > I am not talking about doing actual online updates. I am talking about a > directory to *test* online updates in Factory, Alpha, Beta and RC. > > e.g. just one file that will be updated and that is the "Release notes" or > somthing else competely irrelevant to the working of the system itself. > Perhaps just a test added to the realease notes that states that no real > security updates are done. > > That way we have a directory to point to for our online updates during the > pre-release period and see what goes right or wrong. So no real (security) > updates, but a rocess to *test* the process. > > At this moment, I think there is no way we can test YOU or similar > processes with zen. Such a directory would make it possible to test these > processes. > I have tried to test the following: I have an install repo on a server. I put a newer package there and see if it works. I'll have some results soon. Like tomorrow, maybe. Createrepo and stuff, you know... Vahis -- http://waxborg.servepics.com http://waxborg.servepics.com/mobile/articles/vmware.html http://waxborg.servepics.com/English/Linux/susemultimedia.en.html http://waxborg.servepics.com/English/Bikes/Trackdays/index.html - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Bug 177758
On Wed, May 24, 2006 at 09:17:41PM +0200, Marcus Meissner wrote: > > It should be a nice way to test online updates. Just to test the update > > process. Edit the Release Notes to include: Update worked or just change > > an icon. Just something to test the process. > > I have been planning this for regular online updates, but we did not (and > likely still don't) have resources to do so. I am not talking about doing actual online updates. I am talking about a directory to *test* online updates in Factory, Alpha, Beta and RC. e.g. just one file that will be updated and that is the "Release notes" or somthing else competely irrelevant to the working of the system itself. Perhaps just a test added to the realease notes that states that no real security updates are done. That way we have a directory to point to for our online updates during the pre-release period and see what goes right or wrong. So no real (security) updates, but a rocess to *test* the process. At this moment, I think there is no way we can test YOU or similar processes with zen. Such a directory would make it possible to test these processes. -- houghi http://houghi.org http://www.plainfaqs.org/linux/ http://www.netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html > > Today I went outside. My pupils have never been tinier... - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Bug 177758
On Wed, May 24, 2006 at 09:14:06PM +0200, houghi wrote: > On Wed, May 24, 2006 at 08:11:58PM +0200, Marcus Meissner wrote: > > Of course we can now do more such one-offs ;) > > I believe that such a directory should be part of the Factory process all > the time. If not for actual updates, then at least for testing purposes. > > It should be a nice way to test online updates. Just to test the update > process. Edit the Release Notes to include: Update worked or just change > an icon. Just something to test the process. I have been planning this for regular online updates, but we did not (and likely still don't) have resources to do so. Ciao, Marcus - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Bug 177758
On Wed, May 24, 2006 at 08:11:58PM +0200, Marcus Meissner wrote: > Of course we can now do more such one-offs ;) I believe that such a directory should be part of the Factory process all the time. If not for actual updates, then at least for testing purposes. It should be a nice way to test online updates. Just to test the update process. Edit the Release Notes to include: Update worked or just change an icon. Just something to test the process. -- houghi http://houghi.org http://www.plainfaqs.org/linux/ http://www.netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html > > Today I went outside. My pupils have never been tinier... - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Bug 177758
Marcus Meissner wrote: Of course we can now do more such one-offs ;) I think this is very good; May be the kde discussion could be solved in a similar way. Some things must be fixed even in stable version. sometime :-) jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://dodin.org/galerie_photo_web/expo/index.html http://lucien.dodin.net http://fr.susewiki.org/index.php?title=Gérer_ses_photos - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Bug 177758
Marcus Meissner wrote: >> That page is cool! >> >> My understanding improved significantly. It's not hard to improve from >> zero :) >> >> Is this update-test going to stay there for testing or is it a one-off? >> Should it be kept? >> > > We will reissue this set of packages in there as regular online update > once testing has finished. > > Of course we can now do more such one-offs ;) > > Ciao, marcus > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > OK. I'll keep it on my "factory machine" I ran the stuff seemingly successfully and removed it from my desktop machine. Testing now with adding and removing sources and software with rug and Updater/Installer. Looking good so far... Vahis -- http://waxborg.servepics.com http://waxborg.servepics.com/mobile/articles/vmware.html http://waxborg.servepics.com/English/Linux/susemultimedia.en.html http://waxborg.servepics.com/English/Bikes/Trackdays/index.html - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Bug 177758
> That page is cool! > > My understanding improved significantly. It's not hard to improve from > zero :) > > Is this update-test going to stay there for testing or is it a one-off? > Should it be kept? We will reissue this set of packages in there as regular online update once testing has finished. Of course we can now do more such one-offs ;) Ciao, marcus - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Bug 177758
Martin Schlander wrote: > onsdag 24 maj 2006 17:22 skrev Marcus Meissner: > >> Use >> >> rug sa --type=zypp >> ftp://ftp.suse.com/pub/people/aj/10.1-packagemanagement-update-test/ >> update-test >> > > I've replaced Yum with Zypp in the examples on this page. > http://en.opensuse.org/Examples_using_rug > > It seems that using zypp is generally the best approach. > > Martin / cb400f > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > That page is cool! My understanding improved significantly. It's not hard to improve from zero :) Is this update-test going to stay there for testing or is it a one-off? Should it be kept? Vahis -- http://waxborg.servepics.com http://waxborg.servepics.com/mobile/articles/vmware.html http://waxborg.servepics.com/English/Linux/susemultimedia.en.html http://waxborg.servepics.com/English/Bikes/Trackdays/index.html - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Bug 177758
onsdag 24 maj 2006 17:22 skrev Marcus Meissner: > Use > > rug sa --type=zypp > ftp://ftp.suse.com/pub/people/aj/10.1-packagemanagement-update-test/ > update-test I've replaced Yum with Zypp in the examples on this page. http://en.opensuse.org/Examples_using_rug It seems that using zypp is generally the best approach. Martin / cb400f - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Bug 177758
Vahis wrote: > I wonder if I should now run them, this is my attempted-to-keep > installation. > I ran those already on my factory one but I don't know yet what they did. > I ran them. After that the globe went orange again with: Update Version: 1424-0 Installed Version: Category: Recommended Status: Applied bugfix for dhcp (DHCLIENT_HOSTNAME_OPTION) It saya Applied but because of the orange I attempted to run it with result: 21|/content (ftp://ftp.gwdg.de/pub/linux/misc/suser-guru/rpm/10.1/) 23|389A563CC272A126|Andreas Jaeger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>|93A3365ECE47B889DF7FFED1389A563CC272A126 23|A84EDAE89C800ACA|SuSE Package Signing Key <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>|79C179B2E1C820C1890F9994A84EDAE89C800ACA 21|/repodata/repomd.xml (http://packman.iu-bremen.de/suse/10.1) And the globe stays orange Vahis -- http://waxborg.servepics.com http://waxborg.servepics.com/mobile/articles/vmware.html http://waxborg.servepics.com/English/Linux/susemultimedia.en.html http://waxborg.servepics.com/English/Bikes/Trackdays/index.html - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Bug 177758
Marcus Meissner wrote: > On Wed, May 24, 2006 at 06:21:29PM +0300, Vahis wrote: > >> Andreas Jaeger wrote: >> >>> Vahis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >>> >>> >>> # rug sa >>> Add: --type=yum >>> or: --type=zypp >>> >>> both should work. >>> >>> >>> ftp://ftp.suse.com/pub/people/aj/10.1-packagemanagement-update-test/ ERROR: Could not add 'ftp://ftp.suse.com/pub/people/aj/10.1-packagemanagement-update-test/': No suitable service types could be found I added that with YaST and it worked. The stuff appeared as updates (the Globe went orange) in updater. Updates were then installed. At this stage I'm so mixed up with all these adding and removin that I'm not sure what those updates did or didn't. >>> ;-) >>> >>> Restart zmd and zen-updater and you're current again, >>> >>> Andreas >>> >>> >> # rug sa --type=yum >> ftp://ftp.suse.com/pub/people/aj/10.1-packagemanagement-update-test/ >> ERROR: Please provide a name for the service >> >> # rug sa --type=zypp >> ftp://ftp.suse.com/pub/people/aj/10.1-packagemanagement-update-test/ >> ERROR: Please provide a name for the service >> >> man rug is unclear to me here. Is written for people who can read or >> what? :) >> >> What shoul I name it and how? Don't they have names, everybody naming >> them themselves as they like might cause problems in remembering what >> they are later? >> > > Use > > rug sa --type=zypp > ftp://ftp.suse.com/pub/people/aj/10.1-packagemanagement-update-test/ > update-test > > You missed the actual name at the end of the commandline. > > Then: > rug sub update-test > > Ciao, Marcus > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > This worked, thank you. The globe went Orange, 17 updates. Didn't last long either. I wonder if I should now run them, this is my attempted-to-keep installation. I ran those already on my factory one but I don't know yet what they did. Vahis -- http://waxborg.servepics.com http://waxborg.servepics.com/mobile/articles/vmware.html http://waxborg.servepics.com/English/Linux/susemultimedia.en.html http://waxborg.servepics.com/English/Bikes/Trackdays/index.html - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Bug 177758
On Wed, May 24, 2006 at 06:21:29PM +0300, Vahis wrote: > Andreas Jaeger wrote: > > Vahis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > > > >> # rug sa > >> > > > > Add: --type=yum > > or: --type=zypp > > > > both should work. > > > > > >> ftp://ftp.suse.com/pub/people/aj/10.1-packagemanagement-update-test/ > >> ERROR: Could not add > >> 'ftp://ftp.suse.com/pub/people/aj/10.1-packagemanagement-update-test/': > >> No suitable service types could be found > >> > >> I added that with YaST and it worked. > >> > >> The stuff appeared as updates (the Globe went orange) in updater. > >> > >> Updates were then installed. > >> > >> At this stage I'm so mixed up with all these adding and removin that I'm > >> not sure what those updates did or didn't. > >> > > > > ;-) > > > > Restart zmd and zen-updater and you're current again, > > > > Andreas > > > # rug sa --type=yum > ftp://ftp.suse.com/pub/people/aj/10.1-packagemanagement-update-test/ > ERROR: Please provide a name for the service > > # rug sa --type=zypp > ftp://ftp.suse.com/pub/people/aj/10.1-packagemanagement-update-test/ > ERROR: Please provide a name for the service > > man rug is unclear to me here. Is written for people who can read or > what? :) > > What shoul I name it and how? Don't they have names, everybody naming > them themselves as they like might cause problems in remembering what > they are later? Use rug sa --type=zypp ftp://ftp.suse.com/pub/people/aj/10.1-packagemanagement-update-test/ update-test You missed the actual name at the end of the commandline. Then: rug sub update-test Ciao, Marcus - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Bug 177758
Andreas Jaeger wrote: > Vahis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > >> # rug sa >> > > Add: --type=yum > or: --type=zypp > > both should work. > > >> ftp://ftp.suse.com/pub/people/aj/10.1-packagemanagement-update-test/ >> ERROR: Could not add >> 'ftp://ftp.suse.com/pub/people/aj/10.1-packagemanagement-update-test/': >> No suitable service types could be found >> >> I added that with YaST and it worked. >> >> The stuff appeared as updates (the Globe went orange) in updater. >> >> Updates were then installed. >> >> At this stage I'm so mixed up with all these adding and removin that I'm >> not sure what those updates did or didn't. >> > > ;-) > > Restart zmd and zen-updater and you're current again, > > Andreas > # rug sa --type=yum ftp://ftp.suse.com/pub/people/aj/10.1-packagemanagement-update-test/ ERROR: Please provide a name for the service # rug sa --type=zypp ftp://ftp.suse.com/pub/people/aj/10.1-packagemanagement-update-test/ ERROR: Please provide a name for the service man rug is unclear to me here. Is written for people who can read or what? :) What shoul I name it and how? Don't they have names, everybody naming them themselves as they like might cause problems in remembering what they are later? Vahis -- http://waxborg.servepics.com http://waxborg.servepics.com/mobile/articles/vmware.html http://waxborg.servepics.com/English/Linux/susemultimedia.en.html http://waxborg.servepics.com/English/Bikes/Trackdays/index.html - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Bug 177758
On Wednesday 24 May 2006 16:32, Andras Mantia wrote: > How can I do it? I see no dups in GUI so if you suggest that I should > use a command line tool, there is a problem for the regular end > user... After removing the duplicates, upgrading the rpm, restarting zmd and waiting a little: time rug sl Waking up ZMD...Done # | Status | Type | Name | URI --++--+---+ 1 | Active | ZYPP | 20060516-193554 | ftp://ftp.iasi.roedu.net/mirrors/ftp.suse.com/pub/suse/update/10.1 2 | Active | ZYPP | SUSE-Linux-10.1-CD-download-x86_64-10.1-0-20060517-172513 | dvd:///?alias=SUSE-Linux-10.1-CD-download-x86_64-10.1-0-20060517-172513 3 | Active | ZYPP | 20060517-180334 | dir:///media/extra/data/data/opensuse/packman/10.1/ real3m13.341s user0m0.484s sys 0m0.008s This is better, but I'm not sure if not the removal of duplicates helped. The new one seems to be slow as the old one. Andras Andras -- Quanta Plus developer - http://quanta.kdewebdev.org K Desktop Environment - http://www.kde.org pgp015vH3wYsg.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [opensuse-factory] Bug 177758
Vahis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > # rug sa Add: --type=yum or: --type=zypp both should work. > ftp://ftp.suse.com/pub/people/aj/10.1-packagemanagement-update-test/ > ERROR: Could not add > 'ftp://ftp.suse.com/pub/people/aj/10.1-packagemanagement-update-test/': > No suitable service types could be found > > I added that with YaST and it worked. > > The stuff appeared as updates (the Globe went orange) in updater. > > Updates were then installed. > > At this stage I'm so mixed up with all these adding and removin that I'm > not sure what those updates did or didn't. ;-) Restart zmd and zen-updater and you're current again, Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger, [EMAIL PROTECTED], http://www.suse.de/~aj/ SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126 pgpaTbWGT7ope.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [opensuse-factory] Bug 177758
On Wednesday 24 May 2006 17:04, Vahis wrote: > # rug sa > ftp://ftp.suse.com/pub/people/aj/10.1-packagemanagement-update-test/ > ERROR: Could not add > 'ftp://ftp.suse.com/pub/people/aj/10.1-packagemanagement-update-test/ >': No suitable service types could be found > > I added that with YaST and it worked. I did with yast. It never finished, but rug sl showed the source as added. > The stuff appeared as updates (the Globe went orange) in updater. I don't have the update app running, so I tried the usual way: Yast->Software Manager-> show all packages->install new versions if available (non was available). Whatever, I downloaded the RPMs now. ;-) Andras -- Quanta Plus developer - http://quanta.kdewebdev.org K Desktop Environment - http://www.kde.org pgpLqk14aSGtW.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [opensuse-factory] Bug 177758
Andras Mantia wrote: > On Tuesday 23 May 2006 18:30, Andreas Jaeger wrote: > >> I'm just putting our current packages to ftp.suse.com and mirrors for >> testing: >> >> ftp://ftp.suse.com/pub/people/aj/10.1-packagemanagement-update-test/ >> >> If the test is successfull, those packages will go out next week as >> online update. I'll write release notes later on what has changed, >> > > I wanted to try this, but the first try is not successfull. When I tried > to add the above as install-source, first I refused to import your key. > It failed to add. Next I choose import, now the dialog is there after > several tens of minutes (I had my lunch meantime). I guess I have to > update the rpms by hand. > > Andras > > # rug sa ftp://ftp.suse.com/pub/people/aj/10.1-packagemanagement-update-test/ ERROR: Could not add 'ftp://ftp.suse.com/pub/people/aj/10.1-packagemanagement-update-test/': No suitable service types could be found I added that with YaST and it worked. The stuff appeared as updates (the Globe went orange) in updater. Updates were then installed. At this stage I'm so mixed up with all these adding and removin that I'm not sure what those updates did or didn't. Vahis -- http://waxborg.servepics.com http://waxborg.servepics.com/mobile/articles/vmware.html http://waxborg.servepics.com/English/Linux/susemultimedia.en.html http://waxborg.servepics.com/English/Bikes/Trackdays/index.html - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Bug 177758
Hi, > SUSE uses lib64 for default 64bit libraries, so on AMD64 "everything" is > is /usr/lib64. parse-metadata is not a library. > > Sounds like another bug... > > I don't think so. But I do. I just had a quick look and it looks like zmd.exe is really compiled differently on i586 and x86_64. It shouldn't be, and the executables shouldn't be in the lib64 directory. But it's probably not worth a bug report because the zmd package as a whole (not zmd.exe) needs to be architecture specific anyway for other, unrelated reasons. Andreas Hanke -- Bis zu 70% Ihrer Onlinekosten sparen: GMX SmartSurfer! Kostenlos downloaden: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/smartsurfer - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Bug 177758
On Wed, May 24, 2006 at 03:05:56PM +0200, Andreas Jaeger wrote: > zmd does not store everything, so for every wakeup we have to parse > the xml data. This still takes a long time :-( Having a crontab every 20 minutes seems to do the trick Just keep it awake. I do not know what the concequences are and it seems to be an extremely ugly trick, I think. -- houghi http://houghi.org http://www.plainfaqs.org/linux/ http://www.netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html > > Today I went outside. My pupils have never been tinier... - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Bug 177758
On Tuesday 23 May 2006 18:30, Andreas Jaeger wrote: > I'm just putting our current packages to ftp.suse.com and mirrors for > testing: > > ftp://ftp.suse.com/pub/people/aj/10.1-packagemanagement-update-test/ > > If the test is successfull, those packages will go out next week as > online update. I'll write release notes later on what has changed, I wanted to try this, but the first try is not successfull. When I tried to add the above as install-source, first I refused to import your key. It failed to add. Next I choose import, now the dialog is there after several tens of minutes (I had my lunch meantime). I guess I have to update the rpms by hand. Andras -- Quanta Plus developer - http://quanta.kdewebdev.org K Desktop Environment - http://www.kde.org pgpBTHhxHZ4Js.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [opensuse-factory] Bug 177758
On Wednesday 24 May 2006 16:05, Andreas Jaeger wrote: [...] > > Before you tell me about the dups, in Yast Installation Sources > > (which again takes quite some time to show up completely) I have > > the following: > > On Off SUSE Linux 10.1 dvd:/// > > Off On YUM > > ftp://ftp.iasi.roedu.net/mirrors/ftp.suse.com/pub/suse/update/10.1 > > On On YUM dir:///media/extra/data/data/opensuse/packman/10.1 > > On On YUM ftp://ftp.suse.com/pub/suse/update/10.1 [...] > So, remove the dups to speed up... How can I do it? I see no dups in GUI so if you suggest that I should use a command line tool, there is a problem for the regular end user... -- Quanta Plus developer - http://quanta.kdewebdev.org K Desktop Environment - http://www.kde.org pgpubdNpTxvCX.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [opensuse-factory] Bug 177758
On Wednesday 24 May 2006 16:11, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Hi, > > > /usr/lib64/zmd/parse-metadata /var/lib/zmd/zmd.db zypp > > > > [...] > > > > /usr/lib64/zmd/parse-metadata /var/lib/zmd/zmd.db zypp > > Why does this executable live in /usr/lib64? How can zmd.exe find it > there? Is it compiled differently on lib64 systems? But wasn't it > supposed to be architecture independent? SUSE uses lib64 for default 64bit libraries, so on AMD64 "everything" is is /usr/lib64. > Sounds like another bug... I don't think so. Andras -- Quanta Plus developer - http://quanta.kdewebdev.org K Desktop Environment - http://www.kde.org pgpzILkjBpTC4.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [opensuse-factory] Bug 177758
Hi, > /usr/lib64/zmd/parse-metadata /var/lib/zmd/zmd.db zypp > > [...] > > /usr/lib64/zmd/parse-metadata /var/lib/zmd/zmd.db zypp Why does this executable live in /usr/lib64? How can zmd.exe find it there? Is it compiled differently on lib64 systems? But wasn't it supposed to be architecture independent? Sounds like another bug... Andreas Hanke -- Bis zu 70% Ihrer Onlinekosten sparen: GMX SmartSurfer! Kostenlos downloaden: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/smartsurfer - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Bug 177758
Andras Mantia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Tuesday 23 May 2006 12:24, Anders Norrbring wrote: >> Apparently it's the wake-up of Zen that takes forever.. > Yeah: AMD64 3200+, 1GB RAM: > > Waking up ZMD takes minutes (4 minutes ) and the top processes are > parse-metadata and gpg: > > - gpg something like: > gpg --no-default-keyring --quiet --no-tty --no-greeting > --no-permission-warning --status-fd 1 --homedir /var/tmp/TmpDir.9ivB2c > --import /var/lib/zypp/cache/Source.aDBK1K/DATA/content.key > > - parse-metadata is: > > > I *did not* used an FTP source and when I started "rlug sl" my internet > connection was down (dial-up...): zmd does not store everything, so for every wakeup we have to parse the xml data. This still takes a long time :-( > rug sl > Waking up ZMD...Done > > # | Status | Type | Name > | URI > --++--+---+--- > 1 | Active | ZYPP | SUSE-Linux-CD-OSS-x86_64-10.1-0-20060414-082827 > | > cd:///?devices=/dev/hdc,/dev/hdd;alias=SUSE-Linux-CD-OSS-x86_64-10.1-0-20060414-082827 > 2 | Active | ZYPP | SUSE-Linux-add-on-CD-10.1-0-20060423-180936 > | > cd:///?devices=/dev/hdc,/dev/hdd;alias=SUSE-Linux-add-on-CD-10.1-0-20060423-180936 > 3 | Active | ZYPP | 20060516-193554 > | ftp://ftp.iasi.roedu.net/mirrors/ftp.suse.com/pub/suse/update/10.1 > 4 | Active | ZYPP | SUSE-Linux-10.1-Updates > | ftp://ftp.suse.com/pub/suse/update/10.1/ > 5 | Active | ZYPP | > SUSE-Linux-10.1-CD-download-x86_64-10.1-0-20060517-172513 | > dvd:///?alias=SUSE-Linux-10.1-CD-download-x86_64-10.1-0-20060517-172513 > 6 | Active | ZYPP | 20060517-180334 > > Before you tell me about the dups, in Yast Installation Sources (which > again takes quite some time to show up completely) I have the > following: > On Off SUSE Linux 10.1 dvd:/// > Off On YUM > ftp://ftp.iasi.roedu.net/mirrors/ftp.suse.com/pub/suse/update/10.1 > On On YUM dir:///media/extra/data/data/opensuse/packman/10.1 > On On YUM ftp://ftp.suse.com/pub/suse/update/10.1 > > The first update was added manually, while during registration it added > the last one (it failed to detect a mirror for me). > So in this case it cannot be about downloading a huge XML file or > something like that. So, remove the dups to speed up... > > The system is an update from 10.0 in several steps through some beta's > and RC's. We have to handle that better, Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger, [EMAIL PROTECTED], http://www.suse.de/~aj/ SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126 pgpU5GAO5YV9E.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [opensuse-factory] Bug 177758
On Wednesday 24 May 2006 14:11, Andras Mantia wrote: > - parse-metadata is: This was not pasted in... /usr/lib64/zmd/parse-metadata /var/lib/zmd/zmd.db zypp dir:///media/extra/data/data/opensuse/packman/10.1/ dir:///media/extra/data/data/opensuse/packman/10.1/ dir:///media/extra/data/data/opensuse/packman/10.1/ or /usr/lib64/zmd/parse-metadata /var/lib/zmd/zmd.db zypp dvd:///?alias=SUSE-Linux-10.1-CD-download-x86_64-10.1-0-20060517-172513 dvd:///?alias=SUSE-Linux-10.1-CD-download-x86_64-10.1-0-20060517-172513 dvd:///?alias=SUSE-Linux-10.1-CD-download-x86_64-10.1-0-20060517-172513 Andras -- Quanta Plus developer - http://quanta.kdewebdev.org K Desktop Environment - http://www.kde.org pgpc4rfUQ6PN4.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [opensuse-factory] Bug 177758
houghi wrote: On Tue, May 23, 2006 at 05:55:18AM -0400, Tom Horsley wrote: Real problem is that during beta testing there were no [EMAIL PROTECTED] update servers available for testing, just a new beta every week, so none of the Zen stuff (practically the only reason for the 10.1 release) ever got any testing. It would be indeed helpfull if there would be an update directory available on factory. This directory does not need to have any security rpms, but to test updates, some RPM's and scripts and whatever would be nice. "Changes" can be done to just textfiles, like the 'Release Notes' and the like. Just one of each type of update that is possible. (complete RPM, delta RPM, script, ...) That way we can test the concept and see what happens. and updated any hour... (if small, not a problem) jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://dodin.org/galerie_photo_web/expo/index.html http://lucien.dodin.net http://fr.susewiki.org/index.php?title=Gérer_ses_photos - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Bug 177758
On Tuesday 23 May 2006 12:24, Anders Norrbring wrote: > Apparently it's the wake-up of Zen that takes forever.. Yeah: AMD64 3200+, 1GB RAM: Waking up ZMD takes minutes (4 minutes ) and the top processes are parse-metadata and gpg: - gpg something like: gpg --no-default-keyring --quiet --no-tty --no-greeting --no-permission-warning --status-fd 1 --homedir /var/tmp/TmpDir.9ivB2c --import /var/lib/zypp/cache/Source.aDBK1K/DATA/content.key - parse-metadata is: I *did not* used an FTP source and when I started "rlug sl" my internet connection was down (dial-up...): rug sl Waking up ZMD...Done # | Status | Type | Name | URI --++--+---+--- 1 | Active | ZYPP | SUSE-Linux-CD-OSS-x86_64-10.1-0-20060414-082827 | cd:///?devices=/dev/hdc,/dev/hdd;alias=SUSE-Linux-CD-OSS-x86_64-10.1-0-20060414-082827 2 | Active | ZYPP | SUSE-Linux-add-on-CD-10.1-0-20060423-180936 | cd:///?devices=/dev/hdc,/dev/hdd;alias=SUSE-Linux-add-on-CD-10.1-0-20060423-180936 3 | Active | ZYPP | 20060516-193554 | ftp://ftp.iasi.roedu.net/mirrors/ftp.suse.com/pub/suse/update/10.1 4 | Active | ZYPP | SUSE-Linux-10.1-Updates | ftp://ftp.suse.com/pub/suse/update/10.1/ 5 | Active | ZYPP | SUSE-Linux-10.1-CD-download-x86_64-10.1-0-20060517-172513 | dvd:///?alias=SUSE-Linux-10.1-CD-download-x86_64-10.1-0-20060517-172513 6 | Active | ZYPP | 20060517-180334 Before you tell me about the dups, in Yast Installation Sources (which again takes quite some time to show up completely) I have the following: On Off SUSE Linux 10.1 dvd:/// Off On YUM ftp://ftp.iasi.roedu.net/mirrors/ftp.suse.com/pub/suse/update/10.1 On On YUM dir:///media/extra/data/data/opensuse/packman/10.1 On On YUM ftp://ftp.suse.com/pub/suse/update/10.1 The first update was added manually, while during registration it added the last one (it failed to detect a mirror for me). So in this case it cannot be about downloading a huge XML file or something like that. rug ca Sub'd? | Name | Service ---+---+-- | SUSE-Linux-CD-OSS-x86_64-10.1-0-20060414-082827 | SUSE-Linux-CD-OSS-x86_64-10.1-0-20060414-082827 | SUSE-Linux-add-on-CD-10.1-0-20060423-180936 | SUSE-Linux-add-on-CD-10.1-0-20060423-180936 Yes| 20060516-193554 | 20060516-193554 Yes| 20060517-180334 | 20060517-180334 Yes| SUSE-Linux-10.1-CD-download-x86_64-10.1-0-20060517-172513 | SUSE-Linux-10.1-CD-download-x86_64-10.1-0-20060517-172513 Yes| SUSE-Linux-10.1-Updates | SUSE-Linux-10.1-Updates The system is an update from 10.0 in several steps through some beta's and RC's. Andras -- Quanta Plus developer - http://quanta.kdewebdev.org K Desktop Environment - http://www.kde.org pgpFEtNWmgA4S.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [opensuse-factory] Bug 177758
On Tue, May 23, 2006 at 05:55:18AM -0400, Tom Horsley wrote: > Real problem is that during beta testing there were no [EMAIL PROTECTED] > update > servers available for testing, just a new beta every week, so none > of the Zen stuff (practically the only reason for the 10.1 release) > ever got any testing. It would be indeed helpfull if there would be an update directory available on factory. This directory does not need to have any security rpms, but to test updates, some RPM's and scripts and whatever would be nice. "Changes" can be done to just textfiles, like the 'Release Notes' and the like. Just one of each type of update that is possible. (complete RPM, delta RPM, script, ...) That way we can test the concept and see what happens. -- houghi http://houghi.org http://www.plainfaqs.org/linux/ http://www.netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html > > Today I went outside. My pupils have never been tinier... - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Bug 177758
On 23 May 2006 at 18:39, Andreas Jaeger wrote: [...] > > Would be interesting to do some profiling on parse-metadata. > > Anything available for Mono ? > > parse-metadata is in C++. [...] Hi, some time ago I was reflecting on how to boost performance on a Pentium Pro 200 MHz with 128MB RAM. I concluded that today's programming language and -style suffers from needless copying of data (not to talk about needless calling of code), making the relatively fast CPU cache quite useless. As a proof on concept I wrote a sample program that does very aggressive data sharing (kind of "copy on write"). The performance is really great (I did unpack MIME messages): It's about a factor of 1000 faster than PINE. However: Data inter-dependencies are terrible, and it's a maintenance pain. Performance sample (on a P4 2.8GHz meanwhile): base64-decoding 9219kB (includes reading the source (most likely cached, however) and writing the output): 0.161s (elapsed! time (wall time)) Now for XML... ;-) Regards, Ulrich - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Bug 177758
tirsdag 23 maj 2006 18:20 skrev Pascal Bleser: > The yast2 format is possibly more efficient wrt memory and CPU. > Maybe worth investigating whether the memory+CPU problems happen with > RPM-MD repos but not with yast2 repos... ? I definitely used the rpm-md's. I thought those were "recommended" now - of course I have no knowledge of the technicalities involved in it. Martin / cb400f - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Bug 177758
Pascal Bleser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Ulrich Windl wrote:
>> On 23 May 2006 at 14:09, jdd wrote:
>>
>>> If I follow well the thread it seems this is a meta-data
>>> download problem.
>>
>> If it's a download problem, why would the CPU be at 100%?
>
> That sounds a lot like XML repository metadata parsing.
> libzypp/ZMD is most probably not parsing the data stream as it is
> being downloaded, so I presume it's download everything (for one
> repository) first, then parse.
>
> Would be interesting to do some profiling on parse-metadata.
> Anything available for Mono ?
parse-metadata is in C++.
>
> What XML parsing model is being used there, SAX, DOM, StAX ?
>
> Most probably not DOM...
libxml2's most appropriate one for this, don't know what it is.
>
> When I look at my ("guru") RPM-MD repository for 10.0 (which is large,
> but a lot smaller than the FTP tree):
> == compressed:
> primary.xml.gz = 1,058,326 (bytes)
> filelists.xml.gz = 1,029,756
> other.xml.gz = 497,642
>
> == uncompressed:
> primary.xml = 6,174,750
> filelists.xml= 11,032,393
> other.xml= 2,950,989
>
> == compression ratio:
> primary.xml = 5.83
> filelists.xml = 10.42
> other.xml = 5.92
>
> Now when I look at SL-10.1/inst-source/suse/repodata:
> == compressed:
> primary.xml.gz = 8,056,136 (bytes)
> filelists.xml.gz = 17,474,199
> other.xml.gz = 53,265,854
>
> BTW, other.xml.gz is *huge* (contains %changelog information) - I
> don't know whether libzypp/zmd download and/or use "other.xml.gz"
> though. smart (http://smartpm.org) doesn't.
It does not use it anymore. That was one of the early fixes ;-)
>
> == uncompressed:
> primary.xml = 47,127,500
> filelists.xml= 211,884,423
> other.xml= 206,534,422
>
> == compression ratio:
> primary.xml= 5.83
> filelists.xml = 12.12
> other.xml = 3.87
>
> Assuming that other.xml is not being used by libzypp/ZMD, I would
> guess the following memory usage with DOM:
> - primary.xml:47MB on disk => 150-200MB RAM
> - filelists.xml: 210MB on disk => 600-800MB RAM
>
> Hmm.. after all... maybe it _is_ DOM ;)
No, definitely not,
Andreas
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Re: [opensuse-factory] Bug 177758
Frank-Michael Fischer wrote: If it's a download problem, why would the CPU be at 100%? Regards, Thanks for your support! I started to get confused already. discussion makes the problem more acurate. there is a download problem, but there is also a data parsing problem. this is not necessarily a bug, but a solution choice problem. jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://dodin.org/galerie_photo_web/expo/index.html http://lucien.dodin.net http://fr.susewiki.org/index.php?title=Gérer_ses_photos - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Bug 177758
Ulrich Windl wrote:
> On 23 May 2006 at 14:09, jdd wrote:
>
>> If I follow well the thread it seems this is a meta-data
>> download problem.
>
> If it's a download problem, why would the CPU be at 100%?
That sounds a lot like XML repository metadata parsing.
libzypp/ZMD is most probably not parsing the data stream as it is
being downloaded, so I presume it's download everything (for one
repository) first, then parse.
Would be interesting to do some profiling on parse-metadata.
Anything available for Mono ?
What XML parsing model is being used there, SAX, DOM, StAX ?
Most probably not DOM...
When I look at my ("guru") RPM-MD repository for 10.0 (which is large,
but a lot smaller than the FTP tree):
== compressed:
primary.xml.gz = 1,058,326 (bytes)
filelists.xml.gz = 1,029,756
other.xml.gz = 497,642
== uncompressed:
primary.xml = 6,174,750
filelists.xml= 11,032,393
other.xml= 2,950,989
== compression ratio:
primary.xml = 5.83
filelists.xml = 10.42
other.xml = 5.92
Now when I look at SL-10.1/inst-source/suse/repodata:
== compressed:
primary.xml.gz = 8,056,136 (bytes)
filelists.xml.gz = 17,474,199
other.xml.gz = 53,265,854
BTW, other.xml.gz is *huge* (contains %changelog information) - I
don't know whether libzypp/zmd download and/or use "other.xml.gz"
though. smart (http://smartpm.org) doesn't.
== uncompressed:
primary.xml = 47,127,500
filelists.xml= 211,884,423
other.xml= 206,534,422
== compression ratio:
primary.xml= 5.83
filelists.xml = 12.12
other.xml = 3.87
Assuming that other.xml is not being used by libzypp/ZMD, I would
guess the following memory usage with DOM:
- primary.xml:47MB on disk => 150-200MB RAM
- filelists.xml: 210MB on disk => 600-800MB RAM
Hmm.. after all... maybe it _is_ DOM ;)
Could someone with the mentioned libzypp/ZMD problems have a look at
memory/swap usage as well ?
- vmstat -n 5 999
- sar -r 5 999 (even better; sar is part of the sysstat package))
The yast2 format is possibly more efficient wrt memory and CPU.
Maybe worth investigating whether the memory+CPU problems happen with
RPM-MD repos but not with yast2 repos... ?
I'd say turn down (or even remove) all repositories, then just add the
10.1 FTP tree metadata, and run vmstat or sar to monitor CPU+memory
usage. With sysstat, it can be done like this:
sar -r -X `pidof parse-metadata` 5 999
(5 = 5 second interval, 999 = number of iterations)
You can even draw graphs from that data when you store it into a file
(-o option, it's a binary format), but you can't use -o in conjunction
with -X, so the stats would be system-wide:
mkdir ~/sar
sar -o ~/sar/sa.$(date '+%Y_%m_%d') -r -u 5 999
isag -p ~/sar
... then choose the file (click on the "-" button) and choose memory
or CPU graph (and you can even save the picture).
cheers
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Re: [opensuse-factory] Bug 177758
"Ulrich Windl" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On 23 May 2006 at 13:30, Andreas Jaeger wrote: > >> Frank-Michael Fischer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> >> > My first "rug sl" command took about 8 mins to complete. The next one >> > was lightening fast. >> >> Yes, it needs to parse all the stuff and then the daemon has >> everything loaded. > > Into RAM? If so, wouldn't it preferrable to use some light-weight & fast > database > library like Sleepycat (now: Oracle) to store meta-data instead of XML (on > disk)? It lives in a sqlite database but you still need to parse it and store it in the database. > That way, the data structure would be ready almost immediately. I could > imagine > either shipping the metadata database as CD image, or as an "importable" > database > dump. > I can imagine (juast a wild guess) that even BerkeleyDB mounted over NFS > isn't > much slower than XML-parsing the same data after downloading them. (If you > are > asking about incremental updates) > >> >> 8 minutes is still to long and therefore I would like to see which >> repositories you use (output of "rug sl") to get a feeling whether >> there's a reason for it. It needs roughly two minutes on my system, > > How much virtual memory does it need then? >512MB? < 256 MB on my i386 system. Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger, [EMAIL PROTECTED], http://www.suse.de/~aj/ SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126 pgpjULuL00keJ.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [opensuse-factory] Bug 177758
On 23 May 2006 at 13:30, Andreas Jaeger wrote: > Frank-Michael Fischer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > My first "rug sl" command took about 8 mins to complete. The next one > > was lightening fast. > > Yes, it needs to parse all the stuff and then the daemon has > everything loaded. Into RAM? If so, wouldn't it preferrable to use some light-weight & fast database library like Sleepycat (now: Oracle) to store meta-data instead of XML (on disk)? That way, the data structure would be ready almost immediately. I could imagine either shipping the metadata database as CD image, or as an "importable" database dump. I can imagine (juast a wild guess) that even BerkeleyDB mounted over NFS isn't much slower than XML-parsing the same data after downloading them. (If you are asking about incremental updates) > > 8 minutes is still to long and therefore I would like to see which > repositories you use (output of "rug sl") to get a feeling whether > there's a reason for it. It needs roughly two minutes on my system, How much virtual memory does it need then? >512MB? Regards, Ulrich - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I'm just putting our current packages to ftp.suse.com and mirrors for testing: ftp://ftp.suse.com/pub/people/aj/10.1-packagemanagement-update-test/ If the test is successfull, those packages will go out next week as online update. I'll write release notes later on what has changed, Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger, [EMAIL PROTECTED], http://www.suse.de/~aj/ SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126 pgpfDqKSFhjr3.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [opensuse-factory] Bug 177758
Ulrich Windl wrote: > On 23 May 2006 at 14:09, jdd wrote: > > >> If I follow well the thread it seems this is a meta-data >> download problem. >> > > If it's a download problem, why would the CPU be at 100%? > > Regards, Thanks for your support! I started to get confused already. FMF - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Bug 177758
On 23 May 2006 at 14:09, jdd wrote: > If I follow well the thread it seems this is a meta-data > download problem. If it's a download problem, why would the CPU be at 100%? Regards, Ulrich - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Bug 177758
tirsdag 23 maj 2006 14:47 skrev Martin Schlander: > I'll probably think of more as soon as I click send - but these are issues > I could currently think of. As expected I thought of some more pretty big issuses, imho at least, shortly after sending the last mail. So I'll do some more "crying" as Henne calls it :) - I think it's constructive input for making it better though. * YaST2 now installs dependencies without consulting/warning the user first - it can be a bit surprising sometimes to see all kinds of packages being installed that you never selected. * Conflicts/deps need to be taken care of one by one, unlike before. Often you get a lot of problems with the same reason - which could be easily resolved in one or two clean swoops "in the good old days" of <=10.0. * When you add sources to yast they are always called "YUM", in ZMD they're given numbers for a name - the date + some random numbers I guess. Once you've added maybe 6 or 7 sources it gets pretty hard to keep track of which is which - and there's generally not room for the entire url. Maybe there's a way to edit the names that I'm not aware of. After writing down these issues and the ones before it's becoming apparent to me that almost all of these issues are with YaST2. Maybe things actually work pretty well with rug/zen - apart from the parse-metadata and update-status slowness. I'll add the above issues to the page Henne set up on the wiki. http://en.opensuse.org/Libzypp/Issues Martin / cb400f - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Anders Norrbring wrote: You mean like zmd? :) if zmd was sleeping, it should be a minor bug :-), but it's heavily working doing what? may be downloading twice the same thing :-((( jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://dodin.org/galerie_photo_web/expo/index.html http://lucien.dodin.net http://fr.susewiki.org/index.php?title=Gérer_ses_photos - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Bug 177758
Frank-Michael Fischer skrev: Andreas Jaeger wrote: Frank-Michael Fischer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: The reason why I am assuming it's libzypp's fault is: when I filed the bug it was for the Zen component, then Nat Budin changed the component to libzypp and connected this bug with bug 176301. This bug I am not supposed to view. So it's fair to guess there is something rotten in the state of libzypp. And we should not participate, just sit and wait. Why is everybody thinking there's something rotten going on if a bug is closed? Not because it's closed. I could not even know that. It's because I am not supposed to know the bug. This creates the "rotten" suspicion. Oh, so it's rotten that you cannot view a product for which you're not registered as a tester? Keep in mind that the Novell BugZilla tracks *all* products that are in the Novell briefcase. You may enter a bug that you found on OpenSuse, but it's already been reported as a SLES bug. Then your entry is marked as closed/duplicate, and since you're not a SLES tester, you don't have access. That isn't very rotten, is it? Anders - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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jdd skrev: houghi wrote: On Tue, May 23, 2006 at 02:12:28PM +0200, jdd wrote: so one could not know what is said, but could now that somebody works on it. Why? As long as it is not solved, somebody is working on it. or sleeping on it :-) jdd You mean like zmd? :) Anders. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Bug 177758
Martin Schlander wrote: > tirsdag 23 maj 2006 14:11 skrev Henne Vogelsang: > >> Everything else is working pretty flawlesly. Can we agree on that? >> >> This is bad but not unfixable. >> > > Flawlessly? I'm sorry but we can't agree on that. Those are easily the most > serious bugs - but there are a lot of smaller irritations - and though I'm > not a developer or a genius I'm a pretty experienced SUSE user I think - > what's irritating to me will be completely unacceptable and incomprehensible > to most noobs. > > Here's a quick list of issues that bother me - some of which have already > been > fed to bugzilla in beta-state. > > * there are serious problems with: right click on rpm > Open with Software > Installer / actions > Install package with YaST > > * you can't add a simple directory containing rpms as a source to yast - > which > was never a problem before > > * YaST gives no information when it's downloading or refreshing repodata > making inexperienced users think it's frozen. For inspiration on how to > handle this I would look at the smart -gui which tells you what's downloaded, > how much, from where, at what speed etc. > > * The issue with repos not being digitally signed. The warning message keeps > popping up - no matter how many times you tell it "don't show this message > agian". > > * Maybe this one is me being stupid - but if you have services added, but not > subscribed to - it seems to me that zen/rug still parses metadata for those. > And I've even had rug ask me for a cd when the cd catalog was unsubscribed > and factory added and subscribed to (it was during betas, but it's not fixed > yet). I thought that added / subscribed-unsubscribed were the equivalents to > added/activated-deactivated in yast - but that's not the case apparently. > > * Also you can't seem to have more instances of packagemanagement running - > don't know if this is intentional, and has to be this way. But it certainly > was no problem to have "installation souces" and "software management" open > at the same time in earlier releases, for example. > > * If you add sources to yast they're automatically added to zen/rug - but > this > doesn't work the other way around. > > I don't know what the long term strategy is - but if yast sw and zen are > supposed to coexist in the long run I'd like some kind of central > repo-management module in which you could add, remove, deactivate, refresh > etc. all the repos, with selections for all frontends. > > Point is: in an open source world one takes the best solution available, e.g. for package management (and there are a few out there). Or you think you can develop a better one then you go for it. BUT always in mind to produce a solution for the community, not for a single vendor. So: the source is open, but not the mind. It just looks open source. FMF - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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tirsdag 23 maj 2006 14:11 skrev Henne Vogelsang: > Everything else is working pretty flawlesly. Can we agree on that? > > This is bad but not unfixable. Flawlessly? I'm sorry but we can't agree on that. Those are easily the most serious bugs - but there are a lot of smaller irritations - and though I'm not a developer or a genius I'm a pretty experienced SUSE user I think - what's irritating to me will be completely unacceptable and incomprehensible to most noobs. Here's a quick list of issues that bother me - some of which have already been fed to bugzilla in beta-state. * there are serious problems with: right click on rpm > Open with Software Installer / actions > Install package with YaST * you can't add a simple directory containing rpms as a source to yast - which was never a problem before * YaST gives no information when it's downloading or refreshing repodata making inexperienced users think it's frozen. For inspiration on how to handle this I would look at the smart -gui which tells you what's downloaded, how much, from where, at what speed etc. * The issue with repos not being digitally signed. The warning message keeps popping up - no matter how many times you tell it "don't show this message agian". * Maybe this one is me being stupid - but if you have services added, but not subscribed to - it seems to me that zen/rug still parses metadata for those. And I've even had rug ask me for a cd when the cd catalog was unsubscribed and factory added and subscribed to (it was during betas, but it's not fixed yet). I thought that added / subscribed-unsubscribed were the equivalents to added/activated-deactivated in yast - but that's not the case apparently. * Also you can't seem to have more instances of packagemanagement running - don't know if this is intentional, and has to be this way. But it certainly was no problem to have "installation souces" and "software management" open at the same time in earlier releases, for example. * If you add sources to yast they're automatically added to zen/rug - but this doesn't work the other way around. I don't know what the long term strategy is - but if yast sw and zen are supposed to coexist in the long run I'd like some kind of central repo-management module in which you could add, remove, deactivate, refresh etc. all the repos, with selections for all frontends. I'll probably think of more as soon as I click send - but these are issues I could currently think of. Martin / cb400f - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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houghi wrote: On Tue, May 23, 2006 at 02:12:28PM +0200, jdd wrote: so one could not know what is said, but could now that somebody works on it. Why? As long as it is not solved, somebody is working on it. or sleeping on it :-) jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://dodin.org/galerie_photo_web/expo/index.html http://lucien.dodin.net http://fr.susewiki.org/index.php?title=Gérer_ses_photos - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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jdd wrote: > Henne Vogelsang wrote: > (...) >> This is bad but not unfixable. > > I really like this kind of post. > > thanks > jdd > > Henne was just quoting Sean Connery in "Entrapment". ;-) FMF - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Henne Vogelsang wrote: (...) This is bad but not unfixable. I really like this kind of post. thanks jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://dodin.org/galerie_photo_web/expo/index.html http://lucien.dodin.net http://fr.susewiki.org/index.php?title=Gérer_ses_photos - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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houghi wrote: > On Tue, May 23, 2006 at 02:06:27PM +0200, Andreas Jaeger wrote: > >> Those are totally unrelated - but since 176301 is not public, you can >> just speculate ;-) >> > > Indeed and that is what we are doing. I did not ment to say that 176301 > was public. The original was public and then was moved onto 176301 and was > labeld libzypp. > > Also I see the 'rotten' as a wink to Shakespears "There is something > rotten in the state of Denmark' :-) > Right you are, I should have spelled it "in the state of Libzypp" FMF - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Tue, May 23, 2006 at 02:12:28PM +0200, jdd wrote: > so one could not know what is said, but could now that > somebody works on it. Why? As long as it is not solved, somebody is working on it. -- houghi http://houghi.org http://www.plainfaqs.org/linux/ http://www.netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html > > Today I went outside. My pupils have never been tinier... - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Tue, May 23, 2006 at 02:07:00PM +0200, Andreas Jaeger wrote: > >> Why is everybody thinking there's something rotten going on if a bug > >> is closed? > >> > >> > > > > Not because it's closed. I could not even know that. It's because I am > > not supposed to know the bug. This creates the "rotten" suspicion. > > "closed " was meant in the sense of "private"/"non-public", Ah, as in 'source'. Now it is much clearer. -- houghi http://houghi.org http://www.plainfaqs.org/linux/ http://www.netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html > > Today I went outside. My pupils have never been tinier... - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Tue, May 23, 2006 at 02:06:27PM +0200, Andreas Jaeger wrote: > Those are totally unrelated - but since 176301 is not public, you can > just speculate ;-) Indeed and that is what we are doing. I did not ment to say that 176301 was public. The original was public and then was moved onto 176301 and was labeld libzypp. Also I see the 'rotten' as a wink to Shakespears "There is something rotten in the state of Denmark' :-) -- houghi http://houghi.org http://www.plainfaqs.org/linux/ http://www.netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html > > Today I went outside. My pupils have never been tinier... - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Andreas Jaeger wrote: Those are totally unrelated - but since 176301 is not public, you can just speculate ;-) I understand you can't make some discussion public. However could it be possible to add an "activity graph", may be a star for each change, on a line, to show somebody works on it? so one could not know what is said, but could now that somebody works on it. jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://dodin.org/galerie_photo_web/expo/index.html http://lucien.dodin.net http://fr.susewiki.org/index.php?title=Gérer_ses_photos - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hi, On Tuesday, May 23, 2006 at 13:48:11, Martin Schlander wrote: > tirsdag 23 maj 2006 12:33 skrev Pascal Bleser: > > jdd wrote: > > > can't you beleive most users have _not_ the problem you have? > > > > Can't *you* believe *many* users do have that problem ? > > Again, come hang around on IRC and witness the havoc. > > I experience the same thing as Frank Ok to summarize: There are two problems with packagemanagement in 10.1 * zmd meta data parsing is not fast enough for realworld requirements With a typical SUSE Linux user inst-source setup parsing the metadata takes up to 10 minutes. This is with variations depending on download speed and the amount of installation sources. This also manifests in suse_register (which is using zmd) and general i/o during normal operation when zmd wakes up and starts parsing. * inst-source syncing between yast inst_source and zmd is not robust Usually this problem pops up when users start to try to work-around problems with zmd (like removing services with rug, reinstalling zdm etc.) Everything else is working pretty flawlesly. Can we agree on that? This is bad but not unfixable. Henne -- Henne Vogelsang, Core Services "Rules change. The Game remains the same." - Omar (The Wire) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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houghi wrote: So the conclusion of Frank-Michael is correct: It must be a libzypp issue. If I follow well the thread it seems this is a meta-data download problem. anyway, could it be possible to have * a guess of the dowloading time * a way to stop this (I don't know for 10.1, but on 10.0 clickin,g stop didn't stop anything) and a background upgrade should be nice (cron?). jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://dodin.org/galerie_photo_web/expo/index.html http://lucien.dodin.net http://fr.susewiki.org/index.php?title=Gérer_ses_photos - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Bug 177758
Frank-Michael Fischer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Andreas Jaeger wrote: >> Frank-Michael Fischer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> >> >>> The reason why I am assuming it's libzypp's fault is: when I filed the >>> bug it was for the Zen component, then Nat Budin changed the component >>> to libzypp and connected this bug with bug 176301. This bug I am not >>> supposed to view. So it's fair to guess there is something rotten in >>> the state of libzypp. And we should not participate, just sit and wait. >>> >> >> Why is everybody thinking there's something rotten going on if a bug >> is closed? >> >> > > Not because it's closed. I could not even know that. It's because I am > not supposed to know the bug. This creates the "rotten" suspicion. "closed " was meant in the sense of "private"/"non-public", Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger, [EMAIL PROTECTED], http://www.suse.de/~aj/ SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126 pgpfWrGU14Cm0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [opensuse-factory] Bug 177758
houghi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Tue, May 23, 2006 at 01:38:56PM +0200, Andreas Jaeger wrote: >> Frank-Michael Fischer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> >> > The reason why I am assuming it's libzypp's fault is: when I filed the >> > bug it was for the Zen component, then Nat Budin changed the component >> > to libzypp and connected this bug with bug 176301. This bug I am not >> > supposed to view. So it's fair to guess there is something rotten in >> > the state of libzypp. And we should not participate, just sit and wait. >> >> Why is everybody thinking there's something rotten going on if a bug >> is closed? > > I believe you misread it. The bug was moved. Because it was originaly was > reported as a lybzypp bug, the one where it is moved to will also be a > libzypp bug. I'm talking about 176301. It was never public. Let's leave that one as reported against SLES - that way it will get highest priority ;-). If anybody likes to be CC'ed on it, tell me offline and I add you to it. > This most likely means that there is an issue with libzypp, because > otherwise the bug would have been closed and not noted as a duplicate. Bug 177758 was connected to 176301 as "bug 177758 must be first fixed before we can close 176301". > All is giuessing, because we are not allowed to see #176301 even though it > was first a public one. It never was. > So the conclusion of Frank-Michael is correct: It must be a libzypp issue. Those are totally unrelated - but since 176301 is not public, you can just speculate ;-) Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger, [EMAIL PROTECTED], http://www.suse.de/~aj/ SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126 pgpyNzvuHAQjy.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [opensuse-factory] Bug 177758
Andreas Jaeger wrote: > Frank-Michael Fischer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > >> The reason why I am assuming it's libzypp's fault is: when I filed the >> bug it was for the Zen component, then Nat Budin changed the component >> to libzypp and connected this bug with bug 176301. This bug I am not >> supposed to view. So it's fair to guess there is something rotten in >> the state of libzypp. And we should not participate, just sit and wait. >> > > Why is everybody thinking there's something rotten going on if a bug > is closed? > > Not because it's closed. I could not even know that. It's because I am not supposed to know the bug. This creates the "rotten" suspicion. FMF - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Bug 177758
On Tue, May 23, 2006 at 01:38:56PM +0200, Andreas Jaeger wrote: > Frank-Michael Fischer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > The reason why I am assuming it's libzypp's fault is: when I filed the > > bug it was for the Zen component, then Nat Budin changed the component > > to libzypp and connected this bug with bug 176301. This bug I am not > > supposed to view. So it's fair to guess there is something rotten in > > the state of libzypp. And we should not participate, just sit and wait. > > Why is everybody thinking there's something rotten going on if a bug > is closed? I believe you misread it. The bug was moved. Because it was originaly was reported as a lybzypp bug, the one where it is moved to will also be a libzypp bug. This most likely means that there is an issue with libzypp, because otherwise the bug would have been closed and not noted as a duplicate. All is giuessing, because we are not allowed to see #176301 even though it was first a public one. So the conclusion of Frank-Michael is correct: It must be a libzypp issue. -- houghi http://houghi.org http://www.plainfaqs.org/linux/ http://www.netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html > > Today I went outside. My pupils have never been tinier... - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Bug 177758
Frank-Michael Fischer wrote: The reason why I am assuming it's libzypp's fault is: when I filed the bug it was for the Zen component, then Nat Budin changed the component to libzypp and connected this bug with bug 176301. This bug I am not supposed to view. So it's fair to guess there is something rotten in the state of libzypp. And we should not participate, just sit and wait. there is a real bug, it is the visible/invisible state of a bug in bugzilla. We already discuss this here, no real solution I fear :-( After playing around with this problem a bit it seems likely that running "rug sl" just once is the workaround for this bug. yes and no. during my tests I've seen zen sessions shadowwed several times. may be there is a problem is this corner, when creating the first run config. is not, if this is necessary, it should run with a better nice to not stop the computer running... Most applications are longer to run at first launch (look at Gimp), but none should freeze your computer jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://dodin.org/galerie_photo_web/expo/index.html http://lucien.dodin.net http://fr.susewiki.org/index.php?title=Gérer_ses_photos - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Bug 177758
tirsdag 23 maj 2006 12:33 skrev Pascal Bleser: > jdd wrote: > > can't you beleive most users have _not_ the problem you have? > > Can't *you* believe *many* users do have that problem ? > Again, come hang around on IRC and witness the havoc. I experience the same thing as Frank - on my 900mhz/512 mb laptop - I added inst-source, non-oss, packman, guru and kde-update to yast installation sources module. After every boot the processes "parse-metadata" and "update-status" use up a lot cpu for *at least* half an hour. Same thing happens if I should want to run the Zen Software Installer. On my AMD64 3000+/1 gig ram work station things weren't nearly as bad - but still very slow. Of course I quickly solved this by removing all repos from zen/rug - that way there is not much update status to check and no metadata for it to parse. And then installing Smart in stead. The only reason I didn't remove rug/zen entirely is that I want to be able to test it some more and give feedback. Good to hear AJ's interest in our feedback. I've been meaning to do a list that describes everything about Zen/rug/Yast/zmd/libzypp that I don't like. Since AJ suggested a discussions about this next week I'll start preparing :) Actually I generally like the "setup" - with the three frontends. Rug for cli, Zen for the random quick install and Joe sixpack users - and YaST if you want/need a lot of options and information. If only it would work - and preferably pretty fast at that - it would be nice. However I can't help but wonder how things would look if the ressources that were put into the whole libzypp-, rug-, zenworks-thing had been invested in developing Smart instead.. I've only used Smart for about a week and primarily the gui - but I'm absolutely blown away - to have YaST-qt as a frontend for that would rock the world I think. I also tend to think that maybe it would be smarter (get it?) to ditch Zen and go with Smart - given the amount of work Zen still needs. Using Smart the last week or so actually gives food to the idea that "Not invented here" is playing a part in what's going on. Maybe it's true that Novell wants to reinvent everything in Mono. PS. Someone said, you lose the systray update notifier if you move to Smart. Not necessarily so - on the guru source there's a package called Ksmarttray - that does just that. Martin / cb400f - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Bug 177758
Frank-Michael Fischer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Andreas Jaeger wrote: >> Frank-Michael, >> >> have you done an update from a previous beta/RC on these machines? >> >> What's the output of: >> * rug sl >> * rug ca >> >> >> Andreas >> > > Now this is interesting: After reinstalling rug, running "rug sl" & "rug > ca" and rebooting the system, bug 177758 does not show anymore. Could it > be that everyone who started "rug" at least once explicitely or > implicitely gets rid of the bug? Not sure - but before you test further, wait for the test packages that I plan to release tomorrow, they fix a couple of bugs, Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger, [EMAIL PROTECTED], http://www.suse.de/~aj/ SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126 pgp6rBtKkOB8T.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [opensuse-factory] Bug 177758
On Tue, 23 May 2006, Andreas Jaeger wrote: > > linux:~ # rug sl > > > > # | Status | Type | Name | URI > > --++--++ > > 1 | Active | ZYPP | SUSE-Linux-10.1-FTP-EXTRA-10.1-0-20060512-060816 | > > ftp://ftp4.gwdg.de/pub/opensuse/distribution/SL-10.1/non-oss-inst-source?alias=SUSE-Linux-10.1-FTP-EXTRA-10.1-0-20060512-060816 > > > 2 | Active | ZYPP | SUSE-Linux-10.1-FTP-10.1-0-20060512-060713 | > > ftp://ftp4.gwdg.de/pub/opensuse/distribution/SL-10.1/inst-source?alias=SUSE-Linux-10.1-FTP-10.1-0-20060512-060713 > > The ftp tree is rather large. If you remove it, your system is much > faster. This tree has 20 MB of *compressed* xml metadata, downloading > and parsing it takes time - too much right now. My guess would be that most of the time is spent downloading the metadata. In any case, I'd suggest you try ftp-1.gwdg.de instead of ftp4.gwdg.de Regards Christoph - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Bug 177758
Anders Norrbring <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Andreas Jaeger skrev: >> Frank-Michael, >> have you done an update from a previous beta/RC on these machines? >> What's the output of: >> * rug sl >> * rug ca >> Andreas > > Apparently it's the wake-up of Zen that takes forever.. It loads both > CPUs to 100% while coming to life. When alive sommands go instantly, > no more than 0.3 seconds to execute just about anything that doesn't > involve checking sources online, while doing the same things with > zmd.exe in sleep state takes between 1.5 and 10 minutes. Note that /etc/zmd/zmd.conf has a config option when zmd goes to sleep again: ~~ [Advanced] run-transaction-test=False [Server] bind-ip=127.0.0.1 refresh-interval=86400 inventory-enabled=True remote-enabled=false require-verified-certs=True sleep-interval=1800 ~~ sleep-interval=1800 means it sleeps after 30 minutes of inactivy - which is fine for me. You can increase those values if you like. Once zmd sleeps it needs some time to wake up again since it does not store everything in its database :-( Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger, [EMAIL PROTECTED], http://www.suse.de/~aj/ SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126 pgpFfpP7ShqOr.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [opensuse-factory] Bug 177758
Frank-Michael Fischer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Andreas Jaeger wrote: >> Frank-Michael, >> >> have you done an update from a previous beta/RC on these machines? >> >> What's the output of: >> * rug sl >> * rug ca >> >> >> Andreas > linux:~ # rug sl > > # | Status | Type | Name | URI > --++--++ > 1 | Active | ZYPP | SUSE-Linux-10.1-FTP-EXTRA-10.1-0-20060512-060816 | > ftp://ftp4.gwdg.de/pub/opensuse/distribution/SL-10.1/non-oss-inst-source?alias=SUSE-Linux-10.1-FTP-EXTRA-10.1-0-20060512-060816 > 2 | Active | ZYPP | SUSE-Linux-10.1-FTP-10.1-0-20060512-060713 | > ftp://ftp4.gwdg.de/pub/opensuse/distribution/SL-10.1/inst-source?alias=SUSE-Linux-10.1-FTP-10.1-0-20060512-060713 The ftp tree is rather large. If you remove it, your system is much faster. This tree has 20 MB of *compressed* xml metadata, downloading and parsing it takes time - too much right now. > 3 | Active | ZYPP | SUSE-Linux-10.1-Add-on-10.1-0-20060512-071716 | > nfs://little.cp//CDNONOSS?alias=SUSE-Linux-10.1-Add-on-10.1-0-20060512-071716 So, you have the add-on twice - 1 and 3 is the same. But this should not be a real problem. > 4 | Active | ZYPP | > SUSE-Linux-10.1-CD-download-x86-10.1-0-20060512-071731 | > nfs://little.cp/CD1?alias=SUSE-Linux-10.1-CD-download-x86-10.1-0-20060512-071731 > 5 | Active | ZYPP | SUSE-Linux-10.1-Updates | > http://ftp.tu-chemnitz.de/pub/linux/suse/ftp.suse.com/suse/update/10.1/ > 6 | Active | ZYPP | 20060512-104623 | > http://packman.mirrors.skynet.be/pub/packman/suse/10.1 > > > linux:~ # rug ca > > Sub'd? | Name | Service > ---++--- > Yes | SUSE-Linux-10.1-FTP-10.1-0-20060512-060713 | > SUSE-Linux-10.1-FTP-10.1-0-20060512-060713 > Yes | SUSE-Linux-10.1-FTP-EXTRA-10.1-0-20060512-060816 | > SUSE-Linux-10.1-FTP-EXTRA-10.1-0-20060512-060816 > Yes | SUSE-Linux-10.1-Add-on-10.1-0-20060512-071716 | > SUSE-Linux-10.1-Add-on-10.1-0-20060512-071716 > Yes | SUSE-Linux-10.1-Updates | SUSE-Linux-10.1-Updates > Yes | 20060512-104623 | 20060512-104623 > Yes | SUSE-Linux-10.1-CD-download-x86-10.1-0-20060512-071731 | > SUSE-Linux-10.1-CD-download-x86-10.1-0-20060512-071731 > > Strange thing: rug says "active" for some services but yast: > > > Status│Refresh│Name │URL > Off │Off │SUSE Linux Add-on 10.1│nfs://little.cp//CDNONOSS > Off │Off │SUSE Linux 10.1 │nfs://little.cp/CD1 Yes, that's ok, Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger, [EMAIL PROTECTED], http://www.suse.de/~aj/ SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126 pgpC5tWv9jJwB.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [opensuse-factory] Bug 177758
Frank-Michael Fischer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > The reason why I am assuming it's libzypp's fault is: when I filed the > bug it was for the Zen component, then Nat Budin changed the component > to libzypp and connected this bug with bug 176301. This bug I am not > supposed to view. So it's fair to guess there is something rotten in > the state of libzypp. And we should not participate, just sit and wait. Why is everybody thinking there's something rotten going on if a bug is closed? The bug is "Bug 176301 - Overview bug for performance issues regarding zypp, zlm, NCC" and starts with: ~~ We have identified some bugs which all have some influence to the performance issues. NONE of this is a blocker for itself, but alltogether results in the performance we face now. I opened this bug with severity blocker to keep track of all the issues. If we could fix some/most of the related bugs, we could downgrade this one to critical or even major. Currently I am aware of #155591, #163186, #169719, #175880, #174887 If any one is aware of further bugs related to perfomarnce add the to the dependency tree of this one. ~~ And the developers add any bugreport that they thing is performance related. Nothing more. The initial report was against SLES10 which is closed and therefore the bug is closed. But their's no conspiracy or whatever. > After playing around with this problem a bit it seems likely that > running "rug sl" just once is the workaround for this bug. Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger, [EMAIL PROTECTED], http://www.suse.de/~aj/ SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126 pgpkRVYPi3Anm.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [opensuse-factory] Bug 177758
Pascal Bleser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Could someone post a few details about what libzypp actually does and > how it interacts with ZMD ? > Is it an abstraction and/or API to ZMD and rug ? rug and zen-updater talk with zmd. zmd is a daemon running. zmd talks with the libzypp-zmd-backend to libzypp. > Is libzypp the one capable of handling yast2/ZMD repos and RPM-MD ? Or > is it ZMD/rug ? It's libzypp as called/linked by zmd/yast2. > > When using RPM-MD repos in yast2, does it still go through ZMD ? No, yast2 links against libzypp and only calls zmd in this case: * Adding/removing installation sources (so that the sources are in sync, unfortunatetly both have their own source handling) > [...] >> what I try to make you understant is that if _you_ have _several_ non >> working install, this may be because you always make a kind of install >> that gives the problem. > > That ridiculous. What would some "kind of install" have to do with ZMD > working properly or not on 3 different boxes and several others he did > from scratch. > And he's not alone with this issue, it's being reported often on IRC. > > On IRC we currently recommend using smart, y2pmsh or rug and > disable+remove ZMD packages. > >> this don't mean you do anything wrong, only something that not any >> people do. identifying this could be of great help like the rug test you >> where asked to do. > > Well, I strongly presume those problems are related to plain ZMD > and/or libzypp bugs, not particularly to his setup. > Those problems are encountered far too often to just be related to > some specifics of his installation or hardware. > >> and all this helps fixing the bug. >> and by the way the starting of the 10.1 is specially fast on my two >> years old machine... and I just discovered beagle was running.. I even >> don't know what it is :-) > [...] >> to follow this mail, I tryed beagle. clic on the icon, ask for "yast" in >> the search box. Beagle said the daemon was not started, I clic to start >> and answers come is nearly no time. > > Yes, the Beagle frontends work well, no problem with that. But the > Beagle daemon is also often a resource hog that causes people on IRC > to complain about 10.1 being so slow. > I suppose there's not all that much to be done about the Beagle > daemon, it's kind of inherent to what it does (it has to do a lot of > I/O and probably actually needs a lot of memory) - document indexers > usually do that, I don't think there's a silver bullet to solve it. > > Nevertheless, Beagle is not a critical component to the system. If > it's a resource hog on your system, then just turn it off, SUSE Linux > 10.1 will remain an excellent distribution to work with. > The same cannot be said of the package management subsystem. The > latter must work reliably, always, so we really have to identify and > fix bugs there (and not dismiss them). And we're fixing them if we find ways to reproduce them, Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger, [EMAIL PROTECTED], http://www.suse.de/~aj/ SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126 pgpoU2nztbcVY.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [opensuse-factory] Bug 177758
Frank-Michael Fischer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > My first "rug sl" command took about 8 mins to complete. The next one > was lightening fast. Yes, it needs to parse all the stuff and then the daemon has everything loaded. 8 minutes is still to long and therefore I would like to see which repositories you use (output of "rug sl") to get a feeling whether there's a reason for it. It needs roughly two minutes on my system, Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger, [EMAIL PROTECTED], http://www.suse.de/~aj/ SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126 pgplExzOXgkU9.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [opensuse-factory] Bug 177758
On Tue, May 23, 2006 at 12:53:23PM +0200, Frank-Michael Fischer wrote: > After playing around with this problem a bit it seems likely that > running "rug sl" just once is the workaround for this bug. Must that be done each time a source is added, or only once? If each time, it could be something that needs to be run/added after adding a source. At this moment I am installing KDE to see if there is any difference with Gnome (The should not be, but you never know) and will see if adding another source makes a difference. Installation will take about two hurs, so don't hold your breath. :-) -- houghi http://houghi.org http://www.plainfaqs.org/linux/ http://www.netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html > > Today I went outside. My pupils have never been tinier... - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Bug 177758
Pascal Bleser wrote: > Can't *you* believe *many* users do have that problem ? > Again, come hang around on IRC and witness the havoc. > > >>> And I found the real problem: it's the way libzypp is architected and >>> implemented. Now what? >>> > > Actually I don't think it's libzypp, it's more about ZMD. > > Could someone post a few details about what libzypp actually does and > how it interacts with ZMD ? > Is it an abstraction and/or API to ZMD and rug ? > > Is libzypp the one capable of handling yast2/ZMD repos and RPM-MD ? Or > is it ZMD/rug ? > > When using RPM-MD repos in yast2, does it still go through ZMD ? > > [ > The reason why I am assuming it's libzypp's fault is: when I filed the bug it was for the Zen component, then Nat Budin changed the component to libzypp and connected this bug with bug 176301. This bug I am not supposed to view. So it's fair to guess there is something rotten in the state of libzypp. And we should not participate, just sit and wait. After playing around with this problem a bit it seems likely that running "rug sl" just once is the workaround for this bug. FMF - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Bug 177758
Hello, Frank-Michael Fischer wrote: These are three machines showing this bug: 2GHz/512MB, 2.2GHz/512MB and 2.8GHz/1GB. Older, slow machines? The reports I read on Hungarian lists were about P3's and early P4 machines without much RAM. These were running 9.X and even 10.0 well, but have trouble with 10.1. Personally I only have experience with 1.9Ghz PentiumM with 512MB of RAM (Compaq nx8220) and dual 2.4Ghz P4 Xeons with 2-3GB of RAM (IBM IntelliStations), neither of these showed any significant slow down. On my 1Ghz PPC machine with 256MB of RAM I can feel some slow down, but only beagle has a real impact on performance, which I don't use anyway. Now I just kill it, I did not even take time to delete it :-) I still use plain & old updatedb, which does not have any impact on the same machine. Bye, -- CzP http://peter.czanik.hu/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Bug 177758
Hi, > Could someone post a few details about what libzypp actually does and > how it interacts with ZMD ? > Is it an abstraction and/or API to ZMD and rug ? No, the other way round: zmd and rug use libzypp's API. > Is libzypp the one capable of handling yast2/ZMD repos and RPM-MD ? Yes. > Or is it ZMD/rug ? No, both of these go through libzypp. > When using RPM-MD repos in yast2, does it still go through ZMD ? No, YaST works if zmd is not even installed. You can do: rpm -e libzypp-zmd-backend zmd rug and YaST will still work. (Except for the so-called registration.) Andreas Hanke -- Bis zu 70% Ihrer Onlinekosten sparen: GMX SmartSurfer! Kostenlos downloaden: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/smartsurfer - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Bug 177758
jdd wrote: > Frank-Michael Fischer wrote: > >> So: I am well trained in taking comments like yours. > > can't you beleive most users have _not_ the problem you have? Can't *you* believe *many* users do have that problem ? Again, come hang around on IRC and witness the havoc. > I have a default kde install, and had some kind of bugs, but _not_ the > one you have. You're part of the lucky ones, I would say. ... >> And I found the real problem: it's the way libzypp is architected and >> implemented. Now what? Actually I don't think it's libzypp, it's more about ZMD. Could someone post a few details about what libzypp actually does and how it interacts with ZMD ? Is it an abstraction and/or API to ZMD and rug ? Is libzypp the one capable of handling yast2/ZMD repos and RPM-MD ? Or is it ZMD/rug ? When using RPM-MD repos in yast2, does it still go through ZMD ? [...] > what I try to make you understant is that if _you_ have _several_ non > working install, this may be because you always make a kind of install > that gives the problem. That ridiculous. What would some "kind of install" have to do with ZMD working properly or not on 3 different boxes and several others he did from scratch. And he's not alone with this issue, it's being reported often on IRC. On IRC we currently recommend using smart, y2pmsh or rug and disable+remove ZMD packages. > this don't mean you do anything wrong, only something that not any > people do. identifying this could be of great help like the rug test you > where asked to do. Well, I strongly presume those problems are related to plain ZMD and/or libzypp bugs, not particularly to his setup. Those problems are encountered far too often to just be related to some specifics of his installation or hardware. > and all this helps fixing the bug. > and by the way the starting of the 10.1 is specially fast on my two > years old machine... and I just discovered beagle was running.. I even > don't know what it is :-) [...] > to follow this mail, I tryed beagle. clic on the icon, ask for "yast" in > the search box. Beagle said the daemon was not started, I clic to start > and answers come is nearly no time. Yes, the Beagle frontends work well, no problem with that. But the Beagle daemon is also often a resource hog that causes people on IRC to complain about 10.1 being so slow. I suppose there's not all that much to be done about the Beagle daemon, it's kind of inherent to what it does (it has to do a lot of I/O and probably actually needs a lot of memory) - document indexers usually do that, I don't think there's a silver bullet to solve it. Nevertheless, Beagle is not a critical component to the system. If it's a resource hog on your system, then just turn it off, SUSE Linux 10.1 will remain an excellent distribution to work with. The same cannot be said of the package management subsystem. The latter must work reliably, always, so we really have to identify and fix bugs there (and not dismiss them). cheers -- -o) Pascal Bleser http://linux01.gwdg.de/~pbleser/ /\\ <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> _\_v http://www.fosdem.org signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [opensuse-factory] Bug 177758
On Tue, May 23, 2006 at 11:24:17AM +0200, Anders Norrbring wrote: > Andreas Jaeger skrev: > >Frank-Michael, > > > >have you done an update from a previous beta/RC on these machines? > > > >What's the output of: > >* rug sl > >* rug ca > > > > > >Andreas > > Apparently it's the wake-up of Zen that takes forever.. It loads both > CPUs to 100% while coming to life. When alive sommands go instantly, no > more than 0.3 seconds to execute just about anything that doesn't > involve checking sources online, while doing the same things with > zmd.exe in sleep state takes between 1.5 and 10 minutes. I tried it on my 10.1 clean default install on a Parallels. The machin Parallels runs on has already a CPU load of about 80% (video editing) This is my output: (First time) linux-y03a:~ # time rug sl Waking up ZMD...Done # | Status | Type | Name | URI --++--++- 1 | Active | ZYPP | SUSE-Linux-10.1-CD-download-x86-10.1-0-20060518-055222 | cd:///?devices=/dev/hdb&alias=SUSE-Linux-10.1-CD-download-x86-10.1-0-20060518-055222 2 | Active | ZYPP | SUSE-Linux-10.1-Updates| http://fr.rpmfind.net/linux/SuSE-Linux/update/10.1/ real1m42.804s user0m0.464s sys 0m1.076s (Second time) linux-y03a:~ # time rug sl # | Status | Type | Name | URI --++--++- 1 | Active | ZYPP | SUSE-Linux-10.1-CD-download-x86-10.1-0-20060518-055222 | cd:///?devices=/dev/hdb&alias=SUSE-Linux-10.1-CD-download-x86-10.1-0-20060518-055222 2 | Active | ZYPP | SUSE-Linux-10.1-Updates| http://fr.rpmfind.net/linux/SuSE-Linux/update/10.1/ real0m2.256s user0m0.832s sys 0m0.668s (First time after the above) linux-y03a:~ # time rug ca Sub'd? | Name | Service ---++--- Yes| SUSE-Linux-10.1-Updates| SUSE-Linux-10.1-Updates Yes| SUSE-Linux-10.1-CD-download-x86-10.1-0-20060518-055222 | SUSE-Linux-10.1-CD-download-x86-10.1-0-20060518-055222 real0m1.377s user0m0.380s sys 0m0.912s After a reboot I get the following times for `rug sl` real0m1.716s user0m0.380s sys 0m1.124s I must say, it would be nice to have the output not on such long lines. Even with my terminal on 1280x1024 I am not able to see the lines on one line. Makes it a lot harder to read. On my 1600x1200 I can read it. e.g.: # | Status | Type | Name --++--+ 1 | Active | ZYPP | SUSE-Linux-10.1-CD-download-x86-10.1-0-20060518-055222 | URI | cd:///?devices=/dev/hdb&alias=SUSE-Linux-10.1-CD-download-x86-10.1-0-20060518-055222 2 | Active | ZYPP | SUSE-Linux-10.1-Updates | URI | http://fr.rpmfind.net/linux/SuSE-Linux/update/10.1/ Or # | Status | Type | Name --++--+ 1 | Active | ZYPP | SUSE-Linux-10.1-CD-download-x86-10.1-0-20060518-055222 | URI | cd:///?devices=/dev/hdb&alias=SUSE-Linux-10.1-CD-download-x86-10.1-0-20060518-055222 --++--+ 2 | Active | ZYPP | SUSE-Linux-10.1-Updates | URI | http://fr.rpmfind.net/linux/SuSE-Linux/update/10.1/ -- houghi http://houghi.org http://www.plainfaqs.org/linux/ http://www.netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html > > Today I went outside. My pupils have never been tinier... - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Bug 177758
Tom Horsley wrote: > On Tue, 2006-05-23 at 10:17 +0200, Frank-Michael Fischer wrote: > >> Problem is: during beta test I have been busy reporting and detailling >> other bugs so I did not participate in the zen buddism here. >> > > Real problem is that during beta testing there were no [EMAIL PROTECTED] > update > servers available for testing, just a new beta every week, so none > of the Zen stuff (practically the only reason for the 10.1 release) > ever got any testing. > > My guess as to why some people have problems and others don't: Bad > connectivity to the update server that got picked for the system. Try > poking around on the mirrors list and selecting different ones manually. > > > Hard to believe that bad connectivity could put my system into 96% wait state for 30 minutes. Please, explain. FMF - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Bug 177758
jdd wrote: > Frank-Michael Fischer wrote: > >> My first "rug sl" command took about 8 mins to complete. The next one >> was lightening fast. > > is this true through reboots? that is, is that the first run of the > session or the first run at all that is long? > > in the first case, something goes wrong in the start mechanism, in the > second there is a cache somewhere. > > I experiment mostly slowdown problem with DHCP. It lasts through reboots. So seems only the very first "rug" in the lifetime of an installation takes that long. FMF - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Bug 177758
Tom Horsley skrev: On Tue, 2006-05-23 at 10:17 +0200, Frank-Michael Fischer wrote: Problem is: during beta test I have been busy reporting and detailling other bugs so I did not participate in the zen buddism here. Real problem is that during beta testing there were no [EMAIL PROTECTED] update servers available for testing, just a new beta every week, so none of the Zen stuff (practically the only reason for the 10.1 release) ever got any testing. My guess as to why some people have problems and others don't: Bad connectivity to the update server that got picked for the system. Try poking around on the mirrors list and selecting different ones manually. Nope, I don't think it is.. I have huge delays even on a local mirror on Gbit networking... Anders. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Bug 177758
On Tue, 23 May 2006, Kevin Ivory wrote: > > However, there is unfortunately no commandlinetool to install updates > > then. > > fou4s might work: http://fou4s.gaugusch.at/ has been a "fast online > update 4 suse" command line tool for many SUSE versions now. Haven't > tested it on SUSE 10.1 yet, though. I won't work with the current 10.1 update repos, as it depends on the old-style patch descriptions and directory layout. Regards Christoph - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Bug 177758
On Tue, 2006-05-23 at 10:17 +0200, Frank-Michael Fischer wrote: > Problem is: during beta test I have been busy reporting and detailling > other bugs so I did not participate in the zen buddism here. Real problem is that during beta testing there were no [EMAIL PROTECTED] update servers available for testing, just a new beta every week, so none of the Zen stuff (practically the only reason for the 10.1 release) ever got any testing. My guess as to why some people have problems and others don't: Bad connectivity to the update server that got picked for the system. Try poking around on the mirrors list and selecting different ones manually. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Bug 177758
jdd wrote: rug starting ZEN updater... (waiting...) no, it was "rug cc" that did this and no more and I have "update-status" thats keep 99% cpu (but the computer is still alive :-) jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://dodin.org/galerie_photo_web/expo/index.html http://lucien.dodin.net http://fr.susewiki.org/index.php?title=Gérer_ses_photos - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Bug 177758
Frank-Michael Fischer wrote: Now this is interesting: After reinstalling rug, running "rug sl" & "rug ca" and rebooting the system, bug 177758 does not show anymore. Could it be that everyone who started "rug" at least once explicitely or implicitely gets rid of the bug? making the very same thing, I had rug starting ZEN updater... (waiting...) the computer was not locked, but zen updater and other apps took 99%cpu trying to stop them, I had restarting processes for a while. then all stopped and went well. I go for a new restart :-) jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://dodin.org/galerie_photo_web/expo/index.html http://lucien.dodin.net http://fr.susewiki.org/index.php?title=Gérer_ses_photos - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Bug 177758
Frank-Michael Fischer wrote: My first "rug sl" command took about 8 mins to complete. The next one was lightening fast. is this true through reboots? that is, is that the first run of the session or the first run at all that is long? in the first case, something goes wrong in the start mechanism, in the second there is a cache somewhere. I experiment mostly slowdown problem with DHCP. The 10.1 install call for DHCP right in the beginning. I have two net cards and no DHCP server, so I lose two minutes waiting at any install (unpleasant with betas...) I already had once a starting waiting for DHCP so long I gave up and reboot jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://dodin.org/galerie_photo_web/expo/index.html http://lucien.dodin.net http://fr.susewiki.org/index.php?title=Gérer_ses_photos - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Bug 177758
Andreas Jaeger wrote: > Frank-Michael, > > have you done an update from a previous beta/RC on these machines? > > What's the output of: > * rug sl > * rug ca > > > Andreas > Now this is interesting: After reinstalling rug, running "rug sl" & "rug ca" and rebooting the system, bug 177758 does not show anymore. Could it be that everyone who started "rug" at least once explicitely or implicitely gets rid of the bug? FMF - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Bug 177758
Andreas Jaeger skrev: Frank-Michael, have you done an update from a previous beta/RC on these machines? What's the output of: * rug sl * rug ca Andreas Apparently it's the wake-up of Zen that takes forever.. It loads both CPUs to 100% while coming to life. When alive sommands go instantly, no more than 0.3 seconds to execute just about anything that doesn't involve checking sources online, while doing the same things with zmd.exe in sleep state takes between 1.5 and 10 minutes. Anders. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Bug 177758
Anders Norrbring <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Andreas Jaeger skrev: >> Frank-Michael, >> have you done an update from a previous beta/RC on these machines? >> What's the output of: >> * rug sl >> * rug ca > > The first 'rug sl' command took 10 minutes to complete... This is on a > dual Opteron 250 system with 8GB of RAM. > > rug sl > > # | Status | Type | Name | URI > > --+-+--+---+-- > 1 | Pending | ZYPP | SUSE-Linux-10.1-FTP-10.1-0-20060513-122501 | > ftp://ftp.sunet.se/pub/Linux/distributions/opensuse/distribution/SL-10.1/inst-source?alias=SUSE-Linux-10.1-FTP-10.1-0-20060513-122501 > 2 | Pending | ZYPP | > SUSE-Linux-10.1-CD-download-x86_64-10.1-0-20060513-125447 | > ftp://192.168.222.10/pub/10.1_x86_64/CD1?alias=SUSE-Linux-10.1-CD-download-x86_64-10.1-0-20060513-125447 > > 3 | Pending | ZYPP | SUSE-Linux-10.1-Updates | > http://ftp.gwdg.de/pub/suse/update/10.1/ > > 4 | Pending | ZYPP | SuSE-Linux-FACTORY-10.1-factory-20060515-083354 > | > ftp://xxx.xxx.xxx/SL-OSS-factory/inst-source?alias=SuSE-Linux-FACTORY-10.1-factory-20060515-083354 > > 5 | Pending | ZYPP | SUSE-Linux-10.1-FTP-EXTRA-10.1-0-20060516-214503 > | > ftp://xxx.xxx.xxx/SL-10.1/non-oss-inst-source?alias=SUSE-Linux-10.1-FTP-EXTRA-10.1-0-20060516-214503 > > 6 | Pending | ZYPP | SUSE-Linux-10.1-FTP-10.1-0-20060516-220034 | > ftp://xxx.xxx.xxx/SL-10.1/inst-source?alias=SUSE-Linux-10.1-FTP-10.1-0-20060516-220034 You have quite a lot sources and even duplicates. I suggest to remove those that you do not need. 1, 2, and 6 are all the same. I would remove either 1 or 6. No. 1,2,4 and 6 are quite large, the meta data for each are around 50 MB, so the download alone takes time - and then comes parsing... Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger, [EMAIL PROTECTED], http://www.suse.de/~aj/ SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126 pgpzxj4veVzuX.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [opensuse-factory] Bug 177758
jdd wrote: > jdd wrote: > >> I will try the "lanch on start and see is this slows the starting) > > no slowing down at all... > > almost instant result for: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~> rug sl > > # | État | Type | Nom| URI > --++--++-- > > 1 | Active | ZYPP | > SUSE-Linux-CD-OSS-i386-10.1-0-20060430-120239 | > dir:///media/usb_linux/factory/rc3?alias=SUSE-Linux-CD-OSS-i386-10.1-0-20060430-120239 > > 2 | Active | ZYPP | > SUSE-Linux-CD-OSS-i386-10.1-0-20060430-164930 | > cd:///?alias=SUSE-Linux-CD-OSS-i386-10.1-0-20060430-164930 > 3 | Active | ZYPP | > SUSE-Linux-CD-OSS-i386-10.1-0-20060430-185800 | > dir:///media/usb_linux/factory/rc3?alias=SUSE-Linux-CD-OSS-i386-10.1-0-20060430-185800 > > 4 | Active | ZYPP | > SUSE-Linux-10.1-CD-download-x86-10.1-0-20060511-135302 | > cd:///?devices=/dev/hdc&alias=SUSE-Linux-10.1-CD-download-x86-10.1-0-20060511-135302 > > 5 | Active | ZYPP | > SUSE-Linux-10.1-FTP-10.1-0-20060515-174254 | > http://download.opensuse.org//distribution/SL-10.1/inst-source/?alias=SUSE-Linux-10.1-FTP-10.1-0-20060515-174254 > > 6 | Active | ZYPP | > SUSE-Linux-10.1-FTP-EXTRA-10.1-0-20060515-174815 | > http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/SL-10.1/non-oss-inst-source/?alias=SUSE-Linux-10.1-FTP-EXTRA-10.1-0-20060515-174815 > > 7 | Active | ZYPP | > SUSE-Linux-10.1-CD-download-x86-10.1-0-20060515-181442 | > dvd:///?alias=SUSE-Linux-10.1-CD-download-x86-10.1-0-20060515-181442 > 8 | Active | ZYPP | SUSE-Linux-10.1-Updates| > http://gd.tuwien.ac.at/linux/suse.com/suse/update/10.1/ > 9 | Active | ZYPP | 20060518-144808| > http://packman.iu-bremen.de/suse/10.1 > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~> rug ca > > Abonné ? | Nom | Service > -++--- > > Oui | SUSE-Linux-CD-OSS-i386-10.1-0-20060430-164930 | > SUSE-Linux-CD-OSS-i386-10.1-0-20060430-164930 > Oui | SUSE-Linux-CD-OSS-i386-10.1-0-20060430-120239 | > SUSE-Linux-CD-OSS-i386-10.1-0-20060430-120239 > Oui | SUSE-Linux-CD-OSS-i386-10.1-0-20060430-185800 | > SUSE-Linux-CD-OSS-i386-10.1-0-20060430-185800 > Oui | SUSE-Linux-10.1-FTP-EXTRA-10.1-0-20060515-174815 | > SUSE-Linux-10.1-FTP-EXTRA-10.1-0-20060515-174815 > | SUSE-Linux-10.1-Updates| SUSE-Linux-10.1-Updates > Oui | 20060518-144808 | 20060518-144808 > Oui | SUSE-Linux-10.1-CD-download-x86-10.1-0-20060511-135302 | > SUSE-Linux-10.1-CD-download-x86-10.1-0-20060511-135302 > Oui | SUSE-Linux-10.1-CD-download-x86-10.1-0-20060515-181442 | > SUSE-Linux-10.1-CD-download-x86-10.1-0-20060515-181442 > Oui | SUSE-Linux-10.1-FTP-10.1-0-20060515-174254 | > SUSE-Linux-10.1-FTP-10.1-0-20060515-174254 > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~> > > My first "rug sl" command took about 8 mins to complete. The next one was lightening fast. FMF - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Bug 177758
jdd wrote: I will try the "lanch on start and see is this slows the starting) no slowing down at all... almost instant result for: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~> rug sl # | État | Type | Nom | URI --++--++-- 1 | Active | ZYPP | SUSE-Linux-CD-OSS-i386-10.1-0-20060430-120239 | dir:///media/usb_linux/factory/rc3?alias=SUSE-Linux-CD-OSS-i386-10.1-0-20060430-120239 2 | Active | ZYPP | SUSE-Linux-CD-OSS-i386-10.1-0-20060430-164930 | cd:///?alias=SUSE-Linux-CD-OSS-i386-10.1-0-20060430-164930 3 | Active | ZYPP | SUSE-Linux-CD-OSS-i386-10.1-0-20060430-185800 | dir:///media/usb_linux/factory/rc3?alias=SUSE-Linux-CD-OSS-i386-10.1-0-20060430-185800 4 | Active | ZYPP | SUSE-Linux-10.1-CD-download-x86-10.1-0-20060511-135302 | cd:///?devices=/dev/hdc&alias=SUSE-Linux-10.1-CD-download-x86-10.1-0-20060511-135302 5 | Active | ZYPP | SUSE-Linux-10.1-FTP-10.1-0-20060515-174254 | http://download.opensuse.org//distribution/SL-10.1/inst-source/?alias=SUSE-Linux-10.1-FTP-10.1-0-20060515-174254 6 | Active | ZYPP | SUSE-Linux-10.1-FTP-EXTRA-10.1-0-20060515-174815 | http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/SL-10.1/non-oss-inst-source/?alias=SUSE-Linux-10.1-FTP-EXTRA-10.1-0-20060515-174815 7 | Active | ZYPP | SUSE-Linux-10.1-CD-download-x86-10.1-0-20060515-181442 | dvd:///?alias=SUSE-Linux-10.1-CD-download-x86-10.1-0-20060515-181442 8 | Active | ZYPP | SUSE-Linux-10.1-Updates | http://gd.tuwien.ac.at/linux/suse.com/suse/update/10.1/ 9 | Active | ZYPP | 20060518-144808 | http://packman.iu-bremen.de/suse/10.1 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~> rug ca Abonné ? | Nom | Service -++--- Oui | SUSE-Linux-CD-OSS-i386-10.1-0-20060430-164930 | SUSE-Linux-CD-OSS-i386-10.1-0-20060430-164930 Oui | SUSE-Linux-CD-OSS-i386-10.1-0-20060430-120239 | SUSE-Linux-CD-OSS-i386-10.1-0-20060430-120239 Oui | SUSE-Linux-CD-OSS-i386-10.1-0-20060430-185800 | SUSE-Linux-CD-OSS-i386-10.1-0-20060430-185800 Oui | SUSE-Linux-10.1-FTP-EXTRA-10.1-0-20060515-174815 | SUSE-Linux-10.1-FTP-EXTRA-10.1-0-20060515-174815 | SUSE-Linux-10.1-Updates | SUSE-Linux-10.1-Updates Oui | 20060518-144808 | 20060518-144808 Oui | SUSE-Linux-10.1-CD-download-x86-10.1-0-20060511-135302 | SUSE-Linux-10.1-CD-download-x86-10.1-0-20060511-135302 Oui | SUSE-Linux-10.1-CD-download-x86-10.1-0-20060515-181442 | SUSE-Linux-10.1-CD-download-x86-10.1-0-20060515-181442 Oui | SUSE-Linux-10.1-FTP-10.1-0-20060515-174254 | SUSE-Linux-10.1-FTP-10.1-0-20060515-174254 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~> -- http://www.dodin.net http://dodin.org/galerie_photo_web/expo/index.html http://lucien.dodin.net http://fr.susewiki.org/index.php?title=Gérer_ses_photos - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Bug 177758
jdd wrote: > > this don't mean you do anything wrong, only something that not any > people do. identifying this could be of great help like the rug test > you where asked to do. > > and all this helps fixing the bug. done FMF - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
