[opensuse-gnome] Re: [opensuse-marketing] [Fwd: GNOME.Asia 2012 Official Announcement]
Hi all, On 21 February 2012 01:41, Bryen M Yunashko wrote: > Passing along an FYI for anyone interested. > > Bryen > > Forwarded Message > From: Brian Cameron > To: foundation-list , asia-summit-list > , developing-world-l...@gnome.org, > gnome-cn-l...@gnome.org, gugmasters-list > Subject: GNOME.Asia 2012 Official Announcement > Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2012 11:38:33 -0600 > > Hosting GNOME.Asia 2012 > June 9-15, 2012 > Hong Kong > If anyone wants to come to GNOME Asia, I'll be glad to help, and possibly host (not promising anything ;) ) him/her. I would personally have liked to take a more active initiative, but I'll be extremely busy with work and travel over most of late May and early June. Feel free to contact me on/off list. Cheerio, ~kknundy > -- Koushik Kumar Nundy -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscr...@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+ow...@opensuse.org
[opensuse-gnome] Tutorial how to report a bug report
Hello friends, I didn't search our wiki. Can someone point me how to report a bug for 12.2? I plan to organize an event in my city (maybe for next milestones). Thanks for your help. Stathis -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscr...@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+ow...@opensuse.org
Re: [opensuse-gnome] Tutorial how to report a bug report
On Tue, 2012-02-28 at 22:12 +0200, Stathis Iosifidis (aka diamond_gr) wrote: > Hello friends, > > I didn't search our wiki. > Can someone point me how to report a bug for 12.2? > I plan to organize an event in my city (maybe for next milestones). > Thanks for your help. > Stathis Try bugzilla.opensuse.org. It includes data about how to submit a bug. When you create a new bug, Select Classification (Product line) = openSUSE and Select Product = openSUSE 12.2 Bryen M Yunashko openSUSE Project -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscr...@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+ow...@opensuse.org
[opensuse-gnome] Timezone and printer settings too restrictive by default
Hi there, Linus vocally complained about this today at https://plus.google.com/u/0/102150693225130002912/posts/1vyfmNCYpi5 and I verified that running GNOME on openSUSE 12.1, all updates applied, I do need to provide the root password to change the timezone or add a printer. That is a major usability issue for personas "Daniela" and "significant other", which means it has real life impact on both Linus and myself. :-) Surprisingly enough, I did not find existing Bugzilla entries, but perhaps those were (incorrectly) closed earlier and I missed them therefore? In any case, I filed https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=749451 Adding a new printer via system-config-printer requires root password https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=749453 Changing the timezone via world clock requires root password Any chance we can get these two resolved quickly? Thanks! Gerald PS: If I may ask for one favor, let's stay focused on meeting our users' needs rather than flailing on flames (some aspects of which were just inappropriate). -- Dr. Gerald Pfeifer || SUSE || Director Product Management -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscr...@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+ow...@opensuse.org
Re: [opensuse-gnome] Timezone and printer settings too restrictive by default
On Tue, 2012-02-28 at 23:53 +0100, Gerald Pfeifer wrote: > Hi there, > > Linus vocally complained about this today at > https://plus.google.com/u/0/102150693225130002912/posts/1vyfmNCYpi5 > and I verified that running GNOME on openSUSE 12.1, all updates applied, > I do need to provide the root password to change the timezone or add > a printer. > > That is a major usability issue for personas "Daniela" and "significant > other", which means it has real life impact on both Linus and myself. :-) > > Surprisingly enough, I did not find existing Bugzilla entries, but > perhaps those were (incorrectly) closed earlier and I missed them > therefore? > > In any case, I filed > > https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=749451 > Adding a new printer via system-config-printer requires root password > > https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=749453 > Changing the timezone via world clock requires root password > > Any chance we can get these two resolved quickly? > > Thanks! > Gerald I have mixed feelings about it. For the standard non-administrated user, yes these should be easier to do. For the traveler, it should be easy to do, i.e. I shouldn't have to provide system credentials in order to connect to a wifi network at Starbucks nor to change my timezone when traveling. And the time issue isn't just about timezones, but also about changing time itself and/or syncing up to NTP. And from an administrated-machine standpoint, there may be reasons why we don't want our users to fiddle with the clock itself.(e.g. auditing user's behavior on a machine by looking at timestamps.) As for printers... I see the issue being installation of drivers. If we're setting up a printer which has a driver already installed on the machine, then no, password should not be required like that. But if setting up the printer means downloading the driver... then it should be treated the same way as any other software installation which requires system authentication. But in general, the issue seems to be one extreme or the other, I agree. Bryen M Yunashko openSUSE Project -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscr...@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+ow...@opensuse.org
Re: [opensuse-gnome] Timezone and printer settings too restrictive by default
On Tue, 28 Feb 2012, Bryen M Yunashko wrote: > And the time issue isn't just about timezones, but also about changing > time itself and/or syncing up to NTP. And from an administrated-machine > standpoint, there may be reasons why we don't want our users to fiddle > with the clock itself. Oh, I get the part about the clock. However, I am not suggesting the user shall change time or date, I am focusing on timezone here. If this requires the same set of privileges, the security design may be in need to some love and care. I'm also fine having a more liberal default when the underlying device is detected to be portable (notebook, tablet,...). Just treating Daniela's or "significant other"'s notebook like one of those multi-user UNIX servers in the old days does not make sense. Those could not be hauled around nearly as easy to begin with. :-) > As for printers... I see the issue being installation of drivers. > If we're setting up a printer which has a driver already installed > on the machine, then no, password should not be required like that. Great, we agree on that. > But if setting up the printer means downloading the driver... then > it should be treated the same way as any other software installation > which requires system authentication. And I can agree on that. Installation of new software, not yet on the systems or authorized somehow (for example, Linus could have put all acceptable drivers somewhere on the machine for the system to pick up in case of need) is a different beast. Let's focus on the simple cases for now: Timezone (not clock) and printers (no new drivers). Gerald -- Dr. Gerald Pfeifer || SUSE || Director Product Management -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscr...@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+ow...@opensuse.org
Re: [opensuse-gnome] Timezone and printer settings too restrictive by default
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 2012-02-29 00:36, Gerald Pfeifer wrote: > Oh, I get the part about the clock. However, I am not suggesting the > user shall change time or date, I am focusing on timezone here. If > this requires the same set of privileges, the security design may be > in need to some love and care. I don't see what problem there could be about changing one's timezone. In the CLI you can do that as user, because you are not changing the system clock. It is just your own environment variables, you can change any. If gnome doesn't allow it, then it is indeed a bug. - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 11.4 x86_64 "Celadon" at Telcontar) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.16 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk9NgSMACgkQIvFNjefEBxpOGQCgz6h6UypruQd6XbFoAqkRIR7M i+sAnjguDH10Y6juJfX1O+lI1Qst5WC0 =BYO1 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscr...@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+ow...@opensuse.org
Re: [opensuse-gnome] Tutorial how to report a bug report
On Tue, 28 Feb 2012 15:15:13 -0600 Bryen M Yunashko wrote: > On Tue, 2012-02-28 at 22:12 +0200, Stathis Iosifidis (aka diamond_gr) > wrote: > > Hello friends, > > > > I didn't search our wiki. > > Can someone point me how to report a bug for 12.2? > ... > Try bugzilla.opensuse.org. It includes data about how to submit a > bug. When you create a new bug, Select Classification (Product line) = > openSUSE and Select Product = openSUSE 12.2 Also, I would try http://bugs.opensuse.org/ :) It needs a bit of update that I will do in a moment. > Bryen M Yunashko > openSUSE Project > -- Regards, Rajko -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscr...@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+ow...@opensuse.org
Re: [opensuse-gnome] Timezone and printer settings too restrictive by default
On Wed, 2012-02-29 at 02:36 +0100, Carlos E. R. wrote: > On 2012-02-29 00:36, Gerald Pfeifer wrote: > > > Oh, I get the part about the clock. However, I am not suggesting the > > user shall change time or date, I am focusing on timezone here. If > > this requires the same set of privileges, the security design may be > > in need to some love and care. > > I don't see what problem there could be about changing one's timezone. In > the CLI you can do that as user, because you are not changing the system > clock. It is just your own environment variables, you can change any. > > If gnome doesn't allow it, then it is indeed a bug. > In the UI, the process is as follows: 1. Click on the clock in the top bar 2. Click on "Date and Time Settings". This will open up the same module that is found in System Settings > System > Date and Time. 3. Options for changing timezone, date, time are greyed out. Option for showing 24-hour or 12-hour clock is not greyed out. 4. Click the Unlock button and enter your system administrator password. 5. Now you may make your changes. Step 4 is the contention here. If this can be divided so that timezone can be user-changed and time/date requires password as Gerald was saying, that would make good sense, IMO. And I join in, as a user, with Gerald in supporting the request to adjust these user experiences. I should also point out that in the original G+ post by Linus, he ssys he had isues with requiring admin access to connect to a wifi network and that it was subsequently resolved at some point. I'm on 12.1 and I'm still getting those admin password requests when attempting to connect to a new wifi network. I'm unsure if this really was resolved anywhere since its the same experience for me as all along. Bryen -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscr...@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+ow...@opensuse.org
Re: [opensuse-gnome] Timezone and printer settings too restrictive by default
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 2012-02-29 03:11, Bryen M Yunashko wrote: > On Wed, 2012-02-29 at 02:36 +0100, Carlos E. R. wrote: >> On 2012-02-29 00:36, Gerald Pfeifer wrote: > Step 4 is the contention here. If this can be divided so that timezone > can be user-changed and time/date requires password as Gerald was > saying, that would make good sense, IMO. It should, timezone is a user adjustable thing in the CLI. And changing it doesn't change system records. > I should also point out that in the original G+ post by Linus, he ssys > he had isues with requiring admin access to connect to a wifi network > and that it was subsequently resolved at some point. I'm on 12.1 and > I'm still getting those admin password requests when attempting to > connect to a new wifi network. I'm unsure if this really was resolved > anywhere since its the same experience for me as all along. Maybe it was solved in the bugzilla he made, and there is a patch you can install, but has not made the update repo for generic usage. However, printer configuration, as that is a hardware thing, is traditionally a task for the administrator, but perhaps something could be devised that allowed the user to do it if the administrator allows. However, if a driver has to be installed, then it is "no way". - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 11.4 x86_64 "Celadon" at Telcontar) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.16 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk9NjBUACgkQIvFNjefEBxrFAQCeLoIdDMp4BDN9agJI88GoyEXw AlgAn1VGsUXKruhAoRh094H48YfcKuLu =Mcdu -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscr...@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+ow...@opensuse.org
Re: [opensuse-gnome] Timezone and printer settings too restrictive by default
On Wed, 2012-02-29 at 03:23 +0100, Carlos E. R. wrote: > However, printer configuration, as that is a hardware thing, is > traditionally a task for the administrator, but perhaps something > could be > devised that allowed the user to do it if the administrator allows. > However, if a driver has to be installed, then it is "no way". With the exception of requiring actual driver installations, I don't agree with even needing an administrator allowance. I think that tradition needs to go out the door in today's more modern mobility world. Last thing I need if I'm on the road and need to hook up to a printer for an important document is to call my IT admin guy and say Hey, can you allow my machine to connect to this printer?? Of course, there is an exception to every rule. :-) We may not want users to connect to certain network printers. I certainly recall one of my clients back when I was in consulting, having to put in restrictions so students would not send prank printouts to the principal's printer. :-) But in the case of default shipment, I would rather see us be a bit more liberal for printer setups and let the administrator choose a more paranoid lock-down method by choice rather than by default. Bryen -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscr...@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+ow...@opensuse.org
Re: [opensuse-gnome] Timezone and printer settings too restrictive by default
>>> On 2/29/2012 at 04:23 AM, in message , Gerald Pfeifer wrote: > Hi there, > > Linus vocally complained about this today at > https://plus.google.com/u/0/102150693225130002912/posts/1vyfmNCYpi5 > and I verified that running GNOME on openSUSE 12.1, all updates applied, > I do need to provide the root password to change the timezone or add > a printer. > > That is a major usability issue for personas "Daniela" and "significant > other", which means it has real life impact on both Linus and myself. :-) > > Surprisingly enough, I did not find existing Bugzilla entries, but > perhaps those were (incorrectly) closed earlier and I missed them > therefore? > > In any case, I filed > > https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=749451 > Adding a new printer via system-config-printer requires root password > > https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=749453 > Changing the timezone via world clock requires root password > > Any chance we can get these two resolved quickly? > > Thanks! > Gerald > > PS: If I may ask for one favor, let's stay focused on meeting our > users' needs rather than flailing on flames (some aspects of which > were just inappropriate). Disclaimer: Have not used openSUSE for the past two months (due to dayjob requirements) so my data may be obsolete/wrong (not verified) When the time is stored in UTC in the system (yast), we can change the timezone as a non-root user, otherwise we can't (or that is how I remember it). Windows does not store time in UTC and so in multi-boot machines, changing timezone is not possible, as a normal user. This is how I remember this. But I may be wrong and could not verify now. Just check once if time is stored in UTC in yast and then try to see if you can change the timezone. Sankar http://psankar.blogspot.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscr...@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+ow...@opensuse.org
Re: [opensuse-gnome] Timezone and printer settings too restrictive by default
On Tue, 2012-02-28 at 22:38 -0700, Sankar P wrote: > Disclaimer: Have not used openSUSE for the past two months (due to > dayjob requirements) so my data may be obsolete/wrong (not verified) > > When the time is stored in UTC in the system (yast), we can change the > timezone as a non-root user, otherwise we can't (or that is how I > remember it). Windows does not store time in UTC and so in multi-boot > machines, changing timezone is not possible, as a normal user. > > This is how I remember this. But I may be wrong and could not verify > now. Just check once if time is stored in UTC in yast and then try to > see if you can change the timezone. > > Sankar > http://psankar.blogspot.com Attempting to follow your steps: 1. Click on System Settings 2. Click on YaST icon 3. Administrator password dialog pops up. Guess that didn't work. :-) Bryen -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscr...@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+ow...@opensuse.org
[opensuse-gnome] Deleting auto wifi connections
Where do I go to look at the list of known wifi networks in network manager? I accidentally clicked on a wrong wifi network some time ago and now when my sometimes-glitchy wifi router briefly goes out, network manager keeps wanting to toggle on to the next auto-connect available network. Which of course then pops up the annoying admin-password request window. There's got to be some way to delete these unused auto-connects. I used to be able to do it in previous versions of openSUSE. This one is now 12.1. Thanks, Bryen -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscr...@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+ow...@opensuse.org
