Re: [ANNOUNCE] Incognito CD/USB 20070824.1 released
On Monday 17 September 2007, Ano Nymous wrote: > I hope this is the right place to ask this question. If not, please > point me to the right one! > > Im having a problem with booting the incognito cd. i am always being > dropped to the command prompt. my video card seems to be detected > correctly though. > > after trying "startx" the screen goes black for one second, and then i > get this error message: > > (EE) no devices detected > fatal server error: > no screens found > XIO: fatal IO error 104 (Connection reset by peer) on X server ":0.0" > after 0 requests (0 known processed) with 0 remaining. > > it looks like its a problem with the video card driver, maybe? which > is weird because incognito detects my video card correctly. it not > only says that its an ati card, but it also knows the correct model > (1900xt). > > i had the exact same problem with the previous incognito version by the > way. > > I hope that i have included all the necessary information. if you need > to know more, to diagnose the problem, just ask! i already tried > googling for the error, but i couldnt find anything useful. but since > im a linux noob, thats no suprise. When booting and it lists that you've got an ATI card and the model, it should list what X video driver is going to be used. Can you tell me what that is. It should be "radeon", "ati" or "fglrx". -- Pat Double, [EMAIL PROTECTED] "Ye must be born again." - John 3:7 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Incognito CD/USB 20070824.1 released
On Monday 17 September 2007, Ano Nymous wrote: > I hope this is the right place to ask this question. If not, please > point me to the right one! I think email directly to me would be more appropriate since the problem isn't directly related to Tor or anonymity concerns. I'll respond hereafter off-list. In my future announcements I'll try to remember to include a short blurb about what Incognito is. -- Pat Double, [EMAIL PROTECTED] "Ye must be born again." - John 3:7 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Incognito CD/USB 20070824.1 released
On Tue, 18 Sep 2007 10:54:29 +0200 "Ano Nymous" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >sorry for creating such an "excitement", it wasnt my intention. i >would love to continiue this discussion on an incognito forum or >mailinglist, but i couldnt find any. > >i just asked here, because i couldnt find a more appropriate place to >ask for help with incognito. for those who dont know what it is: its a >linux live cd (like knoppix) with a focus on privacy, and privacy >applications. its pre configured for the best possible anonymity (i >hope ;) ) Ah. Thank you. > >anyway, i didnt want to take my problem to a random linux forum, >because i need help with the specific configuration of the "incognito" >cd, which i thought was best known here. since incognito is a live cd >it is also supposed to work out of the box with little or no user >interaction required to boot correctly! this irritates me even more, >because i am not aware that i have "special" hardware that requires >extra configuraton on my end. its just a one year old ati card, which >was very popular at the time. As noted previously, the few messages you posted before showed the problem to be one of X11, and possibly LINUX kernel, support for your graphics card, rather than of Incognito. So, please, let's take this off the list to private email. If your ATi card is only a year old and is not of an old model (e.g., Radeon 9200), then the support you'll get with the native drivers is quite limited, but is available and does work. The recent R500- series-based cards are, AFAIK, only supported as VESA devices. The R500-series core is apparently unrelated to the earlier, R100-R40 series of cores, and thus the open source community has not yet devised an appropriate driver. Thanks to ATi's intransigence in refusing to provide information to the open source developers, we still don't have open-source support for hardware 3-D acceleration for chips that are now over three years old, much less for the newer hardware. > >the fglrx driver also shouldnt be the problem, because i have ubuntu >installed on a partition on my harddrive, and it works correctly You haven't yet posted the configuration file or any of the other stuff we would need to know whether you even have the fglrx driver installed, much less are using it. You may be using it with just the VESA support. Here's the list of cards that the native radeon driver recognizes as of X.org 6.9, though the more recent ones do not have support for 3-D hardware acceleration. I haven't messed with 7.x yet, but am told that no new Radeon support was added during the X.org reorganization that occurred with 7.x. (II) RADEON: Driver for ATI Radeon chipsets: ATI Radeon QD (AGP), ATI Radeon QE (AGP), ATI Radeon QF (AGP), ATI Radeon QG (AGP), ATI Radeon VE/7000 QY (AGP/PCI), ATI Radeon VE/7000 QZ (AGP/PCI), ATI ES1000 515E (PCI), ATI ES1000 5969 (PCI), ATI Radeon Mobility M7 LW (AGP), ATI Mobility FireGL 7800 M7 LX (AGP), ATI Radeon Mobility M6 LY (AGP), ATI Radeon Mobility M6 LZ (AGP), ATI Radeon IGP320 (A3) 4136, ATI Radeon IGP320M (U1) 4336, ATI Radeon IGP330/340/350 (A4) 4137, ATI Radeon IGP330M/340M/350M (U2) 4337, ATI Radeon 7000 IGP (A4+) 4237, ATI Radeon Mobility 7000 IGP 4437, ATI FireGL 8700/8800 QH (AGP), ATI Radeon 8500 QL (AGP), ATI Radeon 9100 QM (AGP), ATI Radeon 8500 AIW BB (AGP), ATI Radeon 8500 AIW BC (AGP), ATI Radeon 7500 QW (AGP/PCI), ATI Radeon 7500 QX (AGP/PCI), ATI Radeon 9000/PRO If (AGP/PCI), ATI Radeon 9000 Ig (AGP/PCI), ATI FireGL Mobility 9000 (M9) Ld (AGP), ATI Radeon Mobility 9000 (M9) Lf (AGP), ATI Radeon Mobility 9000 (M9) Lg (AGP), ATI Radeon 9100 IGP (A5) 5834, ATI Radeon Mobility 9100 IGP (U3) 5835, ATI Radeon 9100 PRO IGP 7834, ATI Radeon Mobility 9200 IGP 7835, ATI Radeon 9200PRO 5960 (AGP), ATI Radeon 9200 5961 (AGP), ATI Radeon 9200 5962 (AGP), ATI Radeon 9200SE 5964 (AGP), ATI FireMV 2200 (PCI), ATI Radeon Mobility 9200 (M9+) 5C61 (AGP), ATI Radeon Mobility 9200 (M9+) 5C63 (AGP), ATI Radeon 9500 AD (AGP), ATI Radeon 9500 AE (AGP), ATI Radeon 9600TX AF (AGP), ATI FireGL Z1 AG (AGP), ATI Radeon 9700 Pro ND (AGP), ATI Radeon 9700/9500Pro NE (AGP), ATI Radeon 9700 NF (AGP), ATI FireGL X1 NG (AGP), ATI Radeon 9600 AP (AGP), ATI Radeon 9600SE AQ (AGP), ATI Radeon 9600XT AR (AGP), ATI Radeon 9600 AS (AGP), ATI FireGL T2 AT (AGP), ATI FireGL RV360 AV (AGP), ATI Radeon Mobility 9600/9700 (M10/M11) NP (AGP), ATI Radeon Mobility 9600 (M10) NQ (AGP), ATI Radeon Mobility 9600 (M11) NR (AGP), ATI Radeon Mobility 9600 (M10) NS (AGP), ATI FireGL Mobility T2 (M10) NT (AGP), ATI FireGL Mobility T2e (M11) NV (AGP), ATI Radeon 9650, ATI Radeon 9800SE AH (AGP), ATI Radeon 9
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Incognito CD/USB 20070824.1 released
sorry for creating such an "excitement", it wasnt my intention. i would love to continiue this discussion on an incognito forum or mailinglist, but i couldnt find any. i just asked here, because i couldnt find a more appropriate place to ask for help with incognito. for those who dont know what it is: its a linux live cd (like knoppix) with a focus on privacy, and privacy applications. its pre configured for the best possible anonymity (i hope ;) ) anyway, i didnt want to take my problem to a random linux forum, because i need help with the specific configuration of the "incognito" cd, which i thought was best known here. since incognito is a live cd it is also supposed to work out of the box with little or no user interaction required to boot correctly! this irritates me even more, because i am not aware that i have "special" hardware that requires extra configuraton on my end. its just a one year old ati card, which was very popular at the time. the fglrx driver also shouldnt be the problem, because i have ubuntu installed on a partition on my harddrive, and it works correctly there. if you need me to supply logs or anything just tell me how, and i will post them.
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Incognito CD/USB 20070824.1 released
On Tue, 18 Sep 2007 01:56:34 -0500 (CDT) I wrote: > On Tue, 18 Sep 2007 02:26:54 -0400 Roger Dingledine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >wrote: > >>I've been absent the past few weeks, and it looks like the list has > > For being "absent", you have been very frequently helpful. :-) > >>gotten very, er, exciting in that short time. I'll try to bring a bit >>more signal/noise ratio back to it now that I'm back. >> >>On Tue, Sep 18, 2007 at 01:01:20AM -0500, Scott Bennett wrote: >>> >Zitat von Ano Nymous <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >>> >> I hope this is the right place to ask this question. If not, please >>> >> point me to the right one! >>> >>> It definitely is not. I would recommend not following up to this list, >>> but you and/or Mr. Hluchnik are welcome to email me directly. A more >>> appropriate place would be one of the LINUX lists or one of the lists for >>> X.org >>> or XFree86, as the case may be. >> >>[snip] >> >>> >> it looks like its a problem with the video card driver, maybe? which >>> >> is weird because incognito detects my video card correctly. it not >>> >>> What is "incognito" in this context? >> >>Incognito, in this context, is the subject of this thread that you >>are participating in: >>http://archives.seul.org/or/talk/Sep-2007/threads.html#00037 > > Thank you, Roger. I'll take a look shortly. >> Uh, Roger...that's just the announcement I did see here, which tells me what has been done to Incognito, but doesn't tell me what Incognito is nor why it should be related to tor, vidalia, and so on. Guess I'll have to search the web on it... Scott Bennett, Comm. ASMELG, CFIAG ** * Internet: bennett at cs.niu.edu * ** * "A well regulated and disciplined militia, is at all times a good * * objection to the introduction of that bane of all free governments * * -- a standing army." * *-- Gov. John Hancock, New York Journal, 28 January 1790 * **
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Incognito CD/USB 20070824.1 released
On Tue, 18 Sep 2007 02:26:54 -0400 Roger Dingledine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >I've been absent the past few weeks, and it looks like the list has For being "absent", you have been very frequently helpful. :-) >gotten very, er, exciting in that short time. I'll try to bring a bit >more signal/noise ratio back to it now that I'm back. > >On Tue, Sep 18, 2007 at 01:01:20AM -0500, Scott Bennett wrote: >> >Zitat von Ano Nymous <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >> >> I hope this is the right place to ask this question. If not, please >> >> point me to the right one! >> >> It definitely is not. I would recommend not following up to this list, >> but you and/or Mr. Hluchnik are welcome to email me directly. A more >> appropriate place would be one of the LINUX lists or one of the lists for >> X.org >> or XFree86, as the case may be. > >[snip] > >> >> it looks like its a problem with the video card driver, maybe? which >> >> is weird because incognito detects my video card correctly. it not >> >> What is "incognito" in this context? > >Incognito, in this context, is the subject of this thread that you >are participating in: >http://archives.seul.org/or/talk/Sep-2007/threads.html#00037 Thank you, Roger. I'll take a look shortly. > >People who are rude have to be extra-careful to be both correct and >useful; otherwise they just contribute to the problem. :( The rudeness has been discussed before, namely, the laziness of some people on the list to post followups in the normally accepted format, which preserves a sequential record of previous information. Top-posting destroys that record's time sequence and makes it difficult for readers joining a thread to follow what has been going on. Another rudeness exhibited on this list is completely omitting the record completely when following up (not applicable in the instant case, of course, because you've included the parts to which you were responding). That some readers dislike both the inconvenience and the rudeness involved in causing the inconvenience may be expressed bluntly with cause. > >As to whether user support for Incognito is on-topic for or-talk, let's >find out whether Pat wants to deal with it here, and whether it's one >user per month or hundreds. > I interpreted the content of the original message in the thread as being a question regarding driver support for a particular, though unidentified, graphics card under X11 running on a LINUX system. Incognito appeared to be only an application whose request to X11 had failed due to X11's, or perhaps the LINUX kernel's, failure to provide service to the graphics card. It did not appear, from the few messages included in the original posting, to be related to any problem with Incognito itself. FWIW, I use FreeBSD 6.2-STABLE with X.org 6.9 and on occasion (grimacing with distaste) Windows XP w/SP2. My graphics card is a Mobility Radeon 9800 which apparently has the mobile version of the R420 chip. AFAIK, all Radeon cards have support under X.org as VESA devices, which can be used as a last resort. Radeon cards with model numbers above 9200 (R200-series GPUs) generally have only 2-D acceleration using the radeon driver, though there is apparently some experimental support for 3-D acceleration available for a few old models with numbers slightly higher than 9200 (R300-series). So I use the radeon driver and get 2-D acceleration and 3-D support via the Pentium IV. To get this support under either LINUX or FreeBSD, the kernel must be generated with the correct kernel driver, which the fglrx LINUX driver from ATi also requires, and with the X11 driver (either radeon or fglrx) configured in xorg.conf (or the equivalent for XFree86). Thus was the provenance of my diagnostic questions for the OP and the author of the first followup. I've been around some of these blocks already and might well be able to help, but the or-talk list really doesn't seem to be the place to proceed with that. Scott Bennett, Comm. ASMELG, CFIAG ** * Internet: bennett at cs.niu.edu * ** * "A well regulated and disciplined militia, is at all times a good * * objection to the introduction of that bane of all free governments * * -- a standing army." * *-- Gov. John Hancock, New York Journal, 28 January 1790 * **
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Incognito CD/USB 20070824.1 released
Hi folks, I've been absent the past few weeks, and it looks like the list has gotten very, er, exciting in that short time. I'll try to bring a bit more signal/noise ratio back to it now that I'm back. On Tue, Sep 18, 2007 at 01:01:20AM -0500, Scott Bennett wrote: > >Zitat von Ano Nymous <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > >> I hope this is the right place to ask this question. If not, please > >> point me to the right one! > > It definitely is not. I would recommend not following up to this list, > but you and/or Mr. Hluchnik are welcome to email me directly. A more > appropriate place would be one of the LINUX lists or one of the lists for > X.org > or XFree86, as the case may be. [snip] > >> it looks like its a problem with the video card driver, maybe? which > >> is weird because incognito detects my video card correctly. it not > > What is "incognito" in this context? Incognito, in this context, is the subject of this thread that you are participating in: http://archives.seul.org/or/talk/Sep-2007/threads.html#00037 People who are rude have to be extra-careful to be both correct and useful; otherwise they just contribute to the problem. :( As to whether user support for Incognito is on-topic for or-talk, let's find out whether Pat wants to deal with it here, and whether it's one user per month or hundreds. Thanks, --Roger
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Incognito CD/USB 20070824.1 released
On Tue, 18 Sep 2007 07:35:06 +0200 Thomas Hluchnik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Oh, for crying out loud. Another top-poster. What is it with the people on this list that there are so many who are too damned lazy to edit their followups properly? >can you find out which graphics driver is used? It seems to me as if the fglrx >driver is used, which works bad for older ATI cards. Is ist possible to use the >radeon driver instead? Hold on a bit. Zitat von Ano Nymous <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> has yet to show us any kernel messages, so we don't have a clue what's going on. Or, rather, we have several possibilities with no way to distinguish which one might be the real problem. > >I have a ATI card, too, and I am just going to throw it away, though its quite >a Such impatience. >good card. Next time I buy a Nvidia, hope that runs better. > How about mentioning which card you have? They do not all have the same, or even similar, characteristics. How about some kernel messages from your system, as well as the X log messages about the card? > > >Zitat von Ano Nymous <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > >> I hope this is the right place to ask this question. If not, please >> point me to the right one! It definitely is not. I would recommend not following up to this list, but you and/or Mr. Hluchnik are welcome to email me directly. A more appropriate place would be one of the LINUX lists or one of the lists for X.org or XFree86, as the case may be. >> >> Im having a problem with booting the incognito cd. i am always being >> dropped to the command prompt. my video card seems to be detected >> correctly though. >> >> after trying "startx" the screen goes black for one second, and then i >> get this error message: >> >> (EE) no devices detected >> fatal server error: >> no screens found >> XIO: fatal IO error 104 (Connection reset by peer) on X server ":0.0" >> after 0 requests (0 known processed) with 0 remaining. >> >> it looks like its a problem with the video card driver, maybe? which >> is weird because incognito detects my video card correctly. it not What is "incognito" in this context? >> only says that its an ati card, but it also knows the correct model >> (1900xt). Which X (i.e., X.org or XFree86) are you using and which version of it? Did you ever configure by running "Xorg -configure" if you're running X.org? (There's an equivalent thing to run for XFree86, but it has been so long since I last did that that I don't remember exactly what it is.) >> >> i had the exact same problem with the previous incognito version by the way. >> >> I hope that i have included all the necessary information. if you need >> to know more, to diagnose the problem, just ask! i already tried At a minimum, you need to a) identify the X11 package and version that you are using, b) identify the operating system and version that you are using, and c) state the hardware configuration you are using. >> googling for the error, but i couldnt find anything useful. but since >> im a linux noob, thats no suprise. >> I can't imagine why you chose a tor list to post questions about LINUX or X11. Scott Bennett, Comm. ASMELG, CFIAG ** * Internet: bennett at cs.niu.edu * ** * "A well regulated and disciplined militia, is at all times a good * * objection to the introduction of that bane of all free governments * * -- a standing army." * *-- Gov. John Hancock, New York Journal, 28 January 1790 * **
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Incognito CD/USB 20070824.1 released
Hello, can you find out which graphics driver is used? It seems to me as if the fglrx driver is used, which works bad for older ATI cards. Is ist possible to use the radeon driver instead? I have a ATI card, too, and I am just going to throw it away, though its quite a good card. Next time I buy a Nvidia, hope that runs better. Zitat von Ano Nymous <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > I hope this is the right place to ask this question. If not, please > point me to the right one! > > Im having a problem with booting the incognito cd. i am always being > dropped to the command prompt. my video card seems to be detected > correctly though. > > after trying "startx" the screen goes black for one second, and then i > get this error message: > > (EE) no devices detected > fatal server error: > no screens found > XIO: fatal IO error 104 (Connection reset by peer) on X server ":0.0" > after 0 requests (0 known processed) with 0 remaining. > > it looks like its a problem with the video card driver, maybe? which > is weird because incognito detects my video card correctly. it not > only says that its an ati card, but it also knows the correct model > (1900xt). > > i had the exact same problem with the previous incognito version by the way. > > I hope that i have included all the necessary information. if you need > to know more, to diagnose the problem, just ask! i already tried > googling for the error, but i couldnt find anything useful. but since > im a linux noob, thats no suprise. >
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Incognito CD/USB 20070824.1 released
I hope this is the right place to ask this question. If not, please point me to the right one! Im having a problem with booting the incognito cd. i am always being dropped to the command prompt. my video card seems to be detected correctly though. after trying "startx" the screen goes black for one second, and then i get this error message: (EE) no devices detected fatal server error: no screens found XIO: fatal IO error 104 (Connection reset by peer) on X server ":0.0" after 0 requests (0 known processed) with 0 remaining. it looks like its a problem with the video card driver, maybe? which is weird because incognito detects my video card correctly. it not only says that its an ati card, but it also knows the correct model (1900xt). i had the exact same problem with the previous incognito version by the way. I hope that i have included all the necessary information. if you need to know more, to diagnose the problem, just ask! i already tried googling for the error, but i couldnt find anything useful. but since im a linux noob, thats no suprise.
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Incognito CD/USB 20070824.1 released
On Wednesday 05 September 2007, Pat Double wrote: > Incognito 20070824.1 is released. After release I was informed that the tiny version does not aquire an IP address. This has been fixed and the tiny version updated at http://files1.cjb.net . Sorry for any inconvience. -- Pat Double, [EMAIL PROTECTED] "Ye must be born again." - John 3:7 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
[ANNOUNCE] Incognito CD/USB 20070824.1 released
Incognito 20070824.1 is released. The versioning has changed from using the source code repository revision to the timestamp of the package snapshot and an increment number. The package snapshot means that the Gentoo package database was frozen on that date to build Incognito. These packages (with a few expections) remain the same through increments. Certain packages such as Tor, TorK, Vidalia, etc are updated for each increment number. Changes from r200 are: * Moved SVN to https://tor-svn.freehaven.net/svn/incognito * Changed versioning scheme to use snapshot date plus increment number. * New snapshot, various upgrades, such as KDE 3.5.7. * Tor 0.1.2.17 * Added mplayer and kplayer for video. * Added more network hardware support. * Added kmix for volume control. * Added CookieSafe Firefox extension to control cookie permissions. * Added EnigMail extension to Thunderbird. * Added NetworkManager for easier configuration of the network including entering wireless network keys. * Added ThunderPlunger Thunderbird extension to keep disk space usage lower. * NoScript 1.1.6.17 * Firefox Quick Locale Switcher 1.6.3.1 * Fix bug in hardware configuration causing hardware requiring firmware to fail. * Added proxy config for links web browser. * Fix title when opening existing TrueCrypt volume. See http://www.patdouble.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=11&Itemid=18 for download locations. Please give a few days for mirrors to update. You can browse the repository at https://tor-svn.freehaven.net/svn/incognito/ . -- Pat Double, [EMAIL PROTECTED] "Ye must be born again." - John 3:7 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
