installation of portal3.0 of 9iAS on linux

2001-04-18 Thread TARUN SHARMA

Hi Everybody,
   I'm installing portal3.0 of oracle9iAS on redhat linux 6.1
It's giving some strange things.
When I run it using 
./ winstall 
at Cshell
It gives error invalid SYS password.
while SYS password of database is change_on_install.
And when I run it in bourne shell it gives error
ORACLE_HOME: Undefined variable
While on giving command echo $ORACLE_HOME 
it shows it correctly
I want help immediately.
Thanks in advance.
   Tarun Sharma
  



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RE: Import/Export performance

2001-04-18 Thread Deshpande, Kirti

Hi Roy,
Planning, planning and planning is required to make this a piece-of-cake.. 

This one is a rather long one.. Sorry.. 

Prepare scripts to build tables, indexes and constraints etc.. Prebuild the
tables in the target database. I am assuming that a database is already
created with all the tablespaces etc.. 

Improving Export performance: 
1) Use direct=y. That will make the export process significantly faster. 
2) Along with (1), setting 'recordlength' to multiples of db_block_size or
to its max value (65535) will help 'squeeze out' some more performance gain.
Although, this parameter is to be used when exporting/importing on different
OS where it has different default values, I use it for added performance
gain. You may want to give it a trial run to see if that would help.
3) I do not export indexes. 

Improving Import Performance:
1) Keep database in no-archive log mode, if it is not already so. 
2) Remember to use ignore=y since tables are already present.
3) Use commit=y to control rollback segment usage.
4) Do not import indexes by setting indexes=n (just to be sure).
5) Set buffer= to a high value, 5-10 MB should work fine (there is no
proportional gain performance in raising this value too high).
6) Set analyze=n to suppress automatic estimation of table statistics.
Analyze tables using your procedures after indexes etc are built.  
7) For primary key constraint indexes, I keep the quota on the target
tablespace to 0 to make it fail during import. (something I just find easier
to remember). 
8) Set log= to some log file name to capture all (good and bad) messages
from the import process. 
9) After the import is completed, set sort_area_size,
sort_area_retained_size to a higher value (whatever is adequate and
possible) to speed up index build process. Also, consider TEMPORARY type
temp tablespace with properly configured initial and next (multiples of
sort_area_size) extents. Make sure temp tablespace has ample room, should
index build processes perform disk sorts. Also, make sure quota is okay on
tablespaces for primary key constraint indexes.
10) Run all the index build scripts. Use nologging attribute and consider
building indexes in parallel, if resources are available to do so. 
11) Enable all the constraints etc.
12) After all indexes are successfully built, make sure the sort parameters
are adjusted back to what they should be for running the db normally. Spot
check and make sure everything looks fine and okay.
13) Do not forget the SQL*Net thingy.. Make necessary changes to
global_name, TNSNAMES.ora and LISTENER.ora file. Bounce the listener. 
14) Run your own procedures to analyze tables and indexes. 
15) Take a cold back up.  
16) Startup mount and change to archive log (if required). Open the db for
users. 
17) Time to hit the door..  

Hope this helps...

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> -Original Message-
> From: Roy Ferguson [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2001 2:31 PM
> To:   Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> Subject:  Import/Export performance
> 
> I will be re-building a database using export/import and would like to
> know what 
> specific things I can look at or do prior to doing the export and the
> import to 
> increase the time it takes as well as to limit the number of invalid
> objects.
> 
> The database is 8.0.5.2.1 on Sun Sparc Solaris 2.6 and has 35,000 objects.
> 
> I will be importing into an 8.1.6 database on the same O/S.
> 
> Thanks in advance.  Roy
> 
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RE: Problem with DBMS_SQL

2001-04-18 Thread LBhat

Hi Steve/Dick,

Thanks for your clarifications.  You are right.  I was relying on the grant
via role and once I granted the privilege directly it worked fine.

Regards,
-   Bhat

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RE: row count in table ?

2001-04-18 Thread Reardon, Bruce (CALBBAY)

Or if your tables are all analyzed and you want a rough answer (faster but
less accurate)

select table_name , num_rows from dba_tables where owner='&schema';

You might want to round the num_rows.
Again, only as good as the last analyze - when it was done and estimate vs
compute.

Regards,
Bruce

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set heading stuff off

spool tblcount.sql

select 
   'select count(*) from ' || tablename || ' ;'
  from 
   data_dictionary_table
 where 
   schema = 'the one you want';

spool off

@tblcount.sql


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> Is there an easy way to find out how many rows are
> there is each table for a schema?  Thank you.
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Re: row count in table ?

2001-04-18 Thread Dennis M. Heisler

Analyze the tables, then look at num_rows in dba_tables.


Andrea Oracle wrote:

> All,
>
> Is there an easy way to find out how many rows are
> there is each table for a schema?  Thank you.
>
> Andrea
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Re: row count in table ?

2001-04-18 Thread Eric D. Pierce

set heading stuff off

spool tblcount.sql

select 
   'select count(*) from ' || tablename || ' ;'
  from 
   data_dictionary_table
 where 
   schema = 'the one you want';

spool off

@tblcount.sql


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> Is there an easy way to find out how many rows are
> there is each table for a schema?  Thank you.







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RE: Direct Vs. SQL*net

2001-04-18 Thread Jacques Kilchoer
Title: RE: Direct Vs. SQL*net





see answer below


> -Original Message-
> From: Reardon, Bruce (CALBBAY)
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> 
> Unfortunately this doesn't work for NT.
> 
> Under NT using 817, the program field from v$process always 
> seems to show
> Oracle.exe.
> Using v$session.program you can determine if a user is using 
> svrmgrl but I
> do not know how to 
> Also, the terminal and machine fields show the same values.
> 
> Is there a solution that will work under NT?
> >
> > Reply Separator
> > Author: "Charlie Mengler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Date:   4/18/2001 9:50 AM
> >
> > How can one determine via code (PL/SQL)
> > whether or not the current session is connected
> > "directly" (via the Bequeath protocol) or via
> > SQL*Net?
> >
> > The solution needs to work for both V7 & V8.


I'm not even going to try to write a query that would work under different versions of Oracle on different servers. I doubt that you could find a single query for all versions (unless maybe you use x$ tables.)

Here is the rough idea for a query for Oracle 8.1.7 on Windows NT. It would probably need to be enhanced.


select
   a.sid,
   a.serial#,
   a.username,
   decode (rtrim (substr (b.network_service_banner, 1, 18)),
   'Windows NT TCP/IP', 'SQL*Net',
   'Oracle Bequeath NT', 'Bequeath',
   'Other?'
  ) as connection_method
 from
   v$session a,
   v$session_connect_info b
 where
   a.sid = b.sid
   and rtrim (substr (b.network_service_banner, 1, 18))
   in ('Windows NT TCP/IP', 'Oracle Bequeath NT') ;


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row count in table ?

2001-04-18 Thread Andrea Oracle

All,

Is there an easy way to find out how many rows are
there is each table for a schema?  Thank you.

Andrea

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RE: Direct Vs. SQL*net

2001-04-18 Thread Warren Kassel

Just off the top of my head...

If you're on a Unix platform, you can get the process id of the session from v$process 
(joined to v$session), then grep for that pid from the output of the Unix 'ps' 
command, then grep again for 'LOCAL=NO'.

-wk

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I already thought of your suggestion but know that it won't be foolproof;
at least for my evironment.

I have a DBLINK that allows my developers to use the SQL*PLUS "COPY"
to reference tables "on the local machine". In other words, I'd like a
way to discern the difference between

SQL> connect username/password
SQL> connect username/password@PROD

when in the first case I'm logged onto the host where "PROD" resides
and ORACLE_SID=PROD
=

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> Charlie,
> 
> Now that's a good question.  The best answer I can come up with is to check
> the machine column in V$SESSION.  if it matches the server machine name then
> they should be using the beq protocol, I'd think.  Otherwise they must be using
> SQL*Net.   Wonder if anyone else has a suggestion, Hey Jared, your the guru here
> aren't you??  :-)
> 
> Dick Goulet
> 
> Reply Separator
> Subject:Direct Vs. SQL*net
> Author: "Charlie Mengler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date:   4/18/2001 9:50 AM
> 
> How can one determine via code (PL/SQL)
> whether or not the current session is connected
> "directly" (via the Bequeath protocol) or via
> SQL*Net?
> 
> The solution needs to work for both V7 & V8.
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Re: Monitoring Archived Logs

2001-04-18 Thread Jared Still


Lindsay,

Here are some points to ponder to help you develop a strategy
for maintaining archive logs.

If you use 3rd party backup software, does it make provision for
maintaining archive logs?  This will influence your decisions.

Do you have a SLA? ( service level agreement )
If so, this will help you determine how many archive logs you need
to keep online to ensure speedy recoveries should they be needed.

Never delete archive logs that may be needed for a future recovery
and have not yet been backed up on tape ( or media of your choice )

Using other peoples scripts is fine, as long as you understand how
they work and what actions they will take under various circumstances
such as the archive log disk area filling up.

Don't trust the recoverability of your databases to scripts or software
that you don't understand or are unsure of.  Test *everything*.

The point of the exercise is to help you understand what your requirements
really are, then put together the tools that make it happen.

When you can answer all of this, there are a number of script around
that you can use or modify for your own use.

Jared


On Wednesday 18 April 2001 14:26, Lindsay Stoddard wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Does anyone have a monitoring script and/or strategy for maintaining
> current archived redo log files and deleting old ones?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Lindsay
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Oracle Financials DBAs Needed in Charlotte, NC..

2001-04-18 Thread OraStaff

Charlotte, North Carolina area manufacturing company is looking for several 
Oracle Financials DBAs to join its' I.T. team.
These are full-time staff positions, so no contractors or third parties please.

*JOB DESCRIPTION: Provide database administration for an Oracle ERP
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Technical responsibilities include Database and Application installations,
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Participate as part of a team providing 24 x 7 DBA support (with on-call
rotations).
Responsible for other duties assigned by the Manager Oracle Database
Administrators 
Ability to multi-task and perform in an interrupt driven environment. Must be
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*SKILLS REQUIRED: 
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-Must have at least five to seven years of relevant work experience, which
 should include at least four years of experience administering Oracle RDBMS
 plus, third party applications and tools running in a UNIX environment
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-Strong Oracle 7 and 8 background required, as well as a strong Oracle
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This position offers:
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For  immediate consideration, please send your resume
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RE: Direct Vs. SQL*net

2001-04-18 Thread Reardon, Bruce (CALBBAY)

Hi,

Unfortunately this doesn't work for NT.

Under NT using 817, the program field from v$process always seems to show
Oracle.exe.
Using v$session.program you can determine if a user is using svrmgrl but I
do not know how to 
Also, the terminal and machine fields show the same values.

Is there a solution that will work under NT?

Regards,
Bruce

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Dick,
Try this:
SQL> l
  1  select p.spid OSPROCESS,
  2 substr(p.program,1,25) OSPROG,
  3 substr(s.osuser,1,12) OSUSER,
  4 status,
  7 substr(s.machine,1,12) MACHINE,
  8 s.terminal
 10  from   v$session s,
 11 v$process p
 12  where  s.paddr = p.addr
 14  andosuser = rholman
 13* order by osuser, s.sid
SQL>

RESULTS from internal connection:
$. oraenv
$sqlplus sa

OSPROCESS OSPROG  OSUSER   STATUS   MACHINE TERMINAL
- ---   --- -- 
22446 oracle@cass (TNS V1-V3) rholman  ACTIVE   casspts/8

1 row selected.

RESULTS from net8 connection:
$. oraenv
$sqlplus sa@cl85dev

OSPROCESS OSPROG  OSUSER   STATUS   MACHINE TERMINAL
- ---   --- --

10876 oracle@cass (S001)  rholman  ACTIVE   casspts/8

1 row selected.

If you look at the program from v$process (OSPROG) you can see the
difference 
between the two connections.  Also a   ps -ef|grep oracle   will show 
protocol information on the internal connection.  The machine column for
both 
of these is the same since I ran them from the console of the same machine.

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> Charlie,
>
> Now that's a good question.  The best answer I can come up with is to
> check the machine column in V$SESSION.  if it matches the server machine
> name then they should be using the beq protocol, I'd think.  Otherwise
they
> must be using SQL*Net.   Wonder if anyone else has a suggestion, Hey
Jared,
> your the guru here aren't you??  :-)
>
> Dick Goulet
>
> Reply Separator
> Author: "Charlie Mengler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date:   4/18/2001 9:50 AM
>
> How can one determine via code (PL/SQL)
> whether or not the current session is connected
> "directly" (via the Bequeath protocol) or via
> SQL*Net?
>
> The solution needs to work for both V7 & V8.
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RE: Bitmap Indexes sizes

2001-04-18 Thread Steve Adams

Hi Darren,

Yes, this sort of space blow-out is to be expected for a bitmap index on a
volatile table. It is not so bad with more recent versions, and the MINIMIZE
RECORDS PER BLOCK syntax can help. If the snapshot is manually refreshed, you
will do better to drop this index prior to each refresh. Otherwise, a simple
(aka B*-tree) index should be considered.

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I have (had) an index that according to index_stat (after analyze index) and
dba_extents that
reported to be approximately 53 Mb and took up 11 extents.  The percentage
increase is 50.

I dropped the index and recreated it, after I adjusted the initial extents,
it turns out the final size
is less then 500k.  This seems like a large amount for it to drop.

The index is on a snapshot within our data warehouse.

Has anybody else seen this ?? Is this a problem with bitmap indexes. ??

Thanks

Darren



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Oracle 9iAS and Portal 3.0

2001-04-18 Thread Nancy McCormick

I have installed Oracle 9iAS and am having problems with the Portal 3.0
install.  The 9iAS server is Solaris 8 with 9iAS 1.0.2.1.  The database
server is Solaris 8 with Oracle 8.1.7.  I am very new to Java and Apache so
I hope someone can help steer me in the right direction.

I am using the metalink document 132444.1 "Common Installation Problems with
Portal 3.0 (9IAS)" to help me troubleshoot.  My first problem was that the
Java Virtual Machine was not properly installed in the database.  I ran
initjvm.sql and then reinstalled Portal 3.0.  That took care of the first
set of problems.

When I try to connect to the "Portal Page", "Login Server Page" or the
"Gateway Settings Page" I get a "Page cannot be Displayed" message.  So ...

Now I am trying to verify that the Apache Listener and Jserver are set up
correctly.  I can access http://machine_ip_address: .  This page has the
"HTTP Components" listed.  I can access everything on this page but:
  "Jserver Demo"  http://machine_ip_address:/servlet/IsItWorking/  and
  "mod_plsql"
http://machine_ip_address:/pls/portal30_sso/portal30_sso.wwsso_app_admin
.ls_login
The document says that if you cannot access the Jserver Demo to verify that
JDK 1.2.2 is installed.  In my case it was not, so I downloaded the JDK
1.2.2_07 self extracting binary from Sun and installed it.  I changed the
jserv.properties file to point wrapper.bin to the location where JDK 1.2.2
was installed and added 2 wrapper.classpath lines for the dt.jar and
tools.jar.  I also modified the PATH variable to have the JDK 1.2.2 location
as the first directory in the list.  Then I stopped and started the Apache
listener.  I also verified that I can connect from the 9iAS server to the
Database server using sqlplus which was successful.  I still cannot access
the Jserv Demo.

I really don't know what to look at next.  Any ideas?

Thanks,
Nancy

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Bitmap Indexes sizes

2001-04-18 Thread Browett, Darren

I have (had) an index that according to index_stat (after analyze index) and
dba_extents that
reported to be approximately 53 Mb and took up 11 extents.  The percentage
increase is 50.

I dropped the index and recreated it, after I adjusted the initial extents,
it turns out the final size
is less then 500k.  This seems like a large amount for it to drop.

The index is on a snapshot within our data warehouse.

Has anybody else seen this ?? Is this a problem with bitmap indexes. ??

Thanks

Darren



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Peoplesoft (sqr)

2001-04-18 Thread Henry Poras

I'm trying to understand what is going on with our sqr install when
migrating Oracle from 7.3.4 to 8.1.6 (on Sun 2.6). After changing the Oracle
version we tried relinking the sqr executable in order to change the Oracle
version (sqrmake prompts for version information). The relink failed because
we don't have a c compiler on the server. What I don't understand is why the
initial install doesn't ask for a c compiler but the relink does? Any ideas?
Thanks.

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Re: block_size

2001-04-18 Thread Mohammad Rafiq

The max db_block_size depends on your OS platform. 8K size is better for 
OLTP and 16-32K is better for Datawarehouse applications.

Regards
Rafiq




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I'm in the process of upgrade to 8.1.6 from 8.0.5 and will be changing the
block_size by re-building the database via exp/imp.  This is on a Sun Sparc
Solaris 2.6 server.  I noticed that the db block_size can have a maximum 
value
of 16k.

I was wondering if anyone has experience in determining the block size that
works best in their environment and if you could share how you determined 
the
value.

Thanks in advance.  Roy

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RE: Meeting at IOUG

2001-04-18 Thread Norrell, Brian

Don't go!!!  Didn't you ever see Pinocchio?

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Anybody knows what is a Pleasure Island event?

Alex Hillman

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Glad to see so many people wanting to get together. I would like to
propose a time and place...

Tuesday night is the "big bash", and Wednesday night is a "Pleasure
Island" event. There is a Monday night welcome reception in the exhibit
hall until 7:45.

So, I think the best time is Monday at 8pm, somewhere in the Swan
and Dolphin complex (not knowing the Orlando area personally).
http://www.swandolphin.com/restaur.htm lists the 15 restaurants (with 3D
views). My vote is Juan & Only's - "A perfect place to enjoy moderately
priced southwestern cuisine. Stop by the bar for the best margaritas in
town! Open for dinner." for its bar and not super-loud setting so we can
talk.

- Ari Kaplan

On Tue, 17 Apr 2001, Stephen Andert wrote:

> I'll be there and would like to meet as many of you as possible.  If
anyone who knows the ropes can suggest a time/place, that would be great.
As this is my first IOUG event, I don't have any ideas on where/when, so
it's up to all you "veterans".
> 
> Keep this thread going.  
> 
> 
> Stephen Andert
> 
> 
> >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 04/16 8:15 PM >>>
> don't know that any meeting has been scheduled, I do know that a number of

> the members of the list are presenting and I intend to be at most of those

> sessions :)
> 
> on the other hand, Gaja's sessions tend to draw EVERYONE so you can be
sure 
> of meeting others on the list there
> 
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> >Are any of the floks from the list meeting during the IOUG-A live in
> >Florida.
> >
> >I am attending and would like to join the meeting.
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Re: tnsnames problem

2001-04-18 Thread DENISE

They will use the same tnsnames only if they are running the same orauser.

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Monitoring Archived Logs

2001-04-18 Thread Lindsay Stoddard

Hi,

Does anyone have a monitoring script and/or strategy for maintaining current
archived redo log files and deleting old ones?

Thanks,

Lindsay
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RE: move schema away from system table space

2001-04-18 Thread Claudio Roca

You can move tables on 8i , but not indexes, you have to rebuild indexes in
order to move them to other TS.

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> If you are on 8i you can move tables and indexes to different tablespaces
> (very easy to do it with EZSQL for example) and then change default
> tablespacefrom system to new one.
>
> Alex Hillman
>
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>
> Another option:
>
> 1. Export the users table data.
> 2. alter user USERNAME default tablespace NEW_TABLESPACE temporary
> tablespace TEMP_TABLESPACE;
> 3. duplicate the schema with temp table names - tablename_temp
> 4. import the data
> 5. drop the old tables from the SYSTEM tablespace
> 6. alter table TABLENAME_TEMP rename to TABLENAME;
>
> Or:
>
> 1. alter user USERNAME default tablespace NEW_TABLESPACE temporary
> tablespace TEMP_TABLESPACE;
> 2. create table TABLENAME_TEMP as (select * from TABLENAME);
> 3. drop existing SYSTEM tables for the user
> 4. alter table TABLENAME_TEMP rename to TABLENAME;
>
> With both of these methods you will not need to shutdown the system at
all.
> The second option should be done at a quite time, as you *could*
(depending
> on the amount of data within these tables) be doing a huge select, and you
> don't want users updating to the table in SYSTEM, as you will loose data
in
> the new tables. If you do have users that are connected 24*7, this could
be
> difficult, but, if you are prepared to make them wait a while, you could
> lock the table in exclusive mode whilst doing the switch and drop.
>
> HTH
>
> Mark
>
>
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>
> Best way is to use export/import utilities.  This can be done with server
on
> line and you will get all table data if done at quite time when table is
not
> being updated.  See Oracle Backup and Recovery Guide for info on exp/imp.
> PA
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>
> Hi All,
> I need to move a user/schema away from the system
> tablespace to a newly created user tablespace. Could
> somebody point me to the references on how to do the
> job? Since a production server is running off the
> schema, is it possible to do the move without having
> to shut down the server?
> Thanks a lot.
> WL
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RE: Lawrence To's article on standby databases

2001-04-18 Thread Martin Kendall

Hi Mundo,

Be careful if you are on V8.1.6.0 as I have had problems
with implementing an architecture where the Standby DB is
in Read Only mode during business hours and then manually
recovered outside business hours.

The problems were occuring whilst the Standby was shutdown and then
restarted
or indeed closed for recovery.  The Arch Redo files were NOT being sent
after the Standby DB was put into Read Only again

In the end I developed a FTP solution which is fine for the purpose
in question.
Martin

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Hi Everyone,

Where can I get Lawrence To's article on standby databases
as mentioned in a recent standby discussion?

Thanks...Mundo

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RE: tnsnames problem

2001-04-18 Thread gregory . t . norris

If they're installed into different ORACLE_HOMEs, they'll look in 
different default locations for the file.  You can probably override 
this using the TNS_ADMIN environment variable.

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> 
> When I open sqlworksheet I have no problem getting into the 
> database but
> when I try getting into the db using sqlplus I get the 
> following error:
> 
> ERROR: ORA-12154: TNS:could not resolve service name
> 
> 
> Don't they both use the same tnsnames file?
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RE: tnsnames problem

2001-04-18 Thread Cale, Rick T (Richard)

Was worksheet and sqlplus installed from the same version of the IMS. It
could be possible that one is an older version and may be looking for sqlnet
2.3.x. Just a guess.

Rick

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When I open sqlworksheet I have no problem getting into the database but
when I try getting into the db using sqlplus I get the following error:

ERROR: ORA-12154: TNS:could not resolve service name


Don't they both use the same tnsnames file?

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RE: Locally Managed Tablespaces

2001-04-18 Thread Hillman, Alex

I remember ssing somebody suggestion to create normal file in advance and
then create temporary tablespace with reuse.

Alex Hillman

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I'm using LMTs with the UNIFORM EXTENT option on 8.1.6[.2], with great 
results.  Two caveats I've noticed:

1) If you want to use LMTs for rollback segments, you MUST create at 
least one rollback segment in a dictionary managed tablespace first (in 
addition to the ever-present "system" RBS).  This is bug#1176609, which 
you can lookup on Metalink... assuming that the palm pilot they're 
using as a webserver is up, of course. (-:

2) If you want to make your TEMP tablespace locally managed (i.e. 
created using TEMPFILE instead of DATAFILE), it will be created sparse 
on Unix systems.  This means that (for example) you *won't* get an 
error if you inadvertently attempt to create a file larger than it's 
host filesystem... not up front, anyway.  If that non-existent tempfile 
space is ever needed, you'll certainly get errors at that point 
(especially nasty if one of your control files is in the same 
filesystem).  So make absolutely certain that the file size is entered 
correctly.

According to Oracle Support, #2 is a documentation error which will be 
corrected in 9i.  I've been meaning to submit an enhancement request, 
asking that file > filesystem be treated as an error, but haven't 
actually done it yet.

Cheers!

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> Are they in use
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Re:Direct Vs. SQL*net

2001-04-18 Thread Rodd Holman

Dick,
Try this:
SQL> l
  1  select p.spid OSPROCESS,
  2 substr(p.program,1,25) OSPROG,
  3 substr(s.osuser,1,12) OSUSER,
  4 status,
  7 substr(s.machine,1,12) MACHINE,
  8 s.terminal
 10  from   v$session s,
 11 v$process p
 12  where  s.paddr = p.addr
 14  andosuser = rholman
 13* order by osuser, s.sid
SQL>

RESULTS from internal connection:
$. oraenv
$sqlplus sa

OSPROCESS OSPROG  OSUSER   STATUS   MACHINE TERMINAL
- ---   --- -- 
22446 oracle@cass (TNS V1-V3) rholman  ACTIVE   casspts/8

1 row selected.

RESULTS from net8 connection:
$. oraenv
$sqlplus sa@cl85dev

OSPROCESS OSPROG  OSUSER   STATUS   MACHINE TERMINAL
- ---   --- --
10876 oracle@cass (S001)  rholman  ACTIVE   casspts/8

1 row selected.

If you look at the program from v$process (OSPROG) you can see the difference 
between the two connections.  Also a   ps -ef|grep oracle   will show 
protocol information on the internal connection.  The machine column for both 
of these is the same since I ran them from the console of the same machine.

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>
> Now that's a good question.  The best answer I can come up with is to
> check the machine column in V$SESSION.  if it matches the server machine
> name then they should be using the beq protocol, I'd think.  Otherwise they
> must be using SQL*Net.   Wonder if anyone else has a suggestion, Hey Jared,
> your the guru here aren't you??  :-)
>
> Dick Goulet
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> How can one determine via code (PL/SQL)
> whether or not the current session is connected
> "directly" (via the Bequeath protocol) or via
> SQL*Net?
>
> The solution needs to work for both V7 & V8.



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RE: Insert Cardinalities into the data dictionary directly

2001-04-18 Thread Hillman, Alex

One of interesting uses of this feature is creation of statistics for
temporary tables which cannot be done otherwise. It is Tom Kite's idea.

Alex Hillman

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Take a look at dbms_stats.set_column_stats and dbms_stats.set_table_stats.
The latter allows you to  
set the number of rows, the size of the table and such ; the first allows
you to set the number of distinct values for a column the number of nulls,
etc.

I'm not sure what you are trying to accomplish with this.  Is simply
changing the cardinalities of a the columns enough?  What about the
distribution of those values?  If the changes result in a different query
path, and your queries run more slowly, does that mean they will do so when
the statistics truly reflect the database.  Perhaps they are running more
slowly because you lied to the optimizer.


"I am aware that if this is was an environment with good cardinalities,
these 
  values could be exported and imported into another environment." 

Cardinality reflects the ratio of distinct values to the  total number of
values in the database.
I can think of scenarios where cardinality might change significantly for a
time.  But I would think   in most cases it would remain fairly constant.

FYI, if statements which assert something contrary to fact are subjunctive
not conditional.

"If this WERE an environment with good  cardinalities"  

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I am trying again

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To obtain a good analysis of a SQL statement especially in a new development

environment, based on the environment that it is to be deployed on, it would

  good to sometime reflect/simulate the production volume.

Is there a way to input table cardinalities directly into the data
dictionary so that the Optimizer could be made to act like in production.

I am aware that if this is was an environment with good cardinalities, these

  values could be exported and imported into another environment.

My question is this possible from scratch?

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Import/Export performance

2001-04-18 Thread Roy Ferguson

I will be re-building a database using export/import and would like to know what 
specific things I can look at or do prior to doing the export and the import to 
increase the time it takes as well as to limit the number of invalid objects.

The database is 8.0.5.2.1 on Sun Sparc Solaris 2.6 and has 35,000 objects.

I will be importing into an 8.1.6 database on the same O/S.

Thanks in advance.  Roy

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block_size

2001-04-18 Thread Roy Ferguson

I'm in the process of upgrade to 8.1.6 from 8.0.5 and will be changing the 
block_size by re-building the database via exp/imp.  This is on a Sun Sparc 
Solaris 2.6 server.  I noticed that the db block_size can have a maximum value 
of 16k.

I was wondering if anyone has experience in determining the block size that 
works best in their environment and if you could share how you determined the 
value.

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Re: Direct Vs. SQL*net

2001-04-18 Thread Charlie Mengler

I already thought of your suggestion but know that it won't be foolproof;
at least for my evironment.

I have a DBLINK that allows my developers to use the SQL*PLUS "COPY"
to reference tables "on the local machine". In other words, I'd like a
way to discern the difference between

SQL> connect username/password
SQL> connect username/password@PROD

when in the first case I'm logged onto the host where "PROD" resides
and ORACLE_SID=PROD
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RE: Direct Vs. SQL*net

2001-04-18 Thread Hillman, Alex

And for getting  machine name one can use sys_context('USERENV', 'HOST').

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Charlie,

Now that's a good question.  The best answer I can come up with is to
check
the machine column in V$SESSION.  if it matches the server machine name then
they should be using the beq protocol, I'd think.  Otherwise they must be
using
SQL*Net.   Wonder if anyone else has a suggestion, Hey Jared, your the guru
here
aren't you??  :-)

Dick Goulet

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Date:   4/18/2001 9:50 AM

How can one determine via code (PL/SQL)
whether or not the current session is connected
"directly" (via the Bequeath protocol) or via
SQL*Net?

The solution needs to work for both V7 & V8.

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Index Block Dumps

2001-04-18 Thread Pablo ksksksk

Hi list,

Oracle 7 // HP-UX

How can I generate an Index Dump?

And how can I read this data?


TIA





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RE: Ability for non DBA user to kill session.

2001-04-18 Thread Hillman, Alex

Native dinamic SQL is execute immediate.

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Are you sure that "execute immediate" doesn't support "alter system"
command? Maybe it's a bug? Which version, which OS?

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Hi All,

Further to that, it is necessary to use DBMS_SQL or native dynamic SQL for
this
as PL/SQL does not support ALTER SYSTEM directly.

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Create a procedure as SYS (or someone else powerful)
which does the 'alter system' and then grant just the
proc to the user

hth
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RE: Direct Vs. SQL*net

2001-04-18 Thread MacGregor, Ian A.

Look at the terminal column of v$process.  It's value will be "UNKNOWN" for user 
sql*net connections and pts/? for those which are not.

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Charlie,

Now that's a good question.  The best answer I can come up with is to check
the machine column in V$SESSION.  if it matches the server machine name then
they should be using the beq protocol, I'd think.  Otherwise they must be using
SQL*Net.   Wonder if anyone else has a suggestion, Hey Jared, your the guru here
aren't you??  :-)

Dick Goulet

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How can one determine via code (PL/SQL)
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SQL*Net?

The solution needs to work for both V7 & V8.

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RE: Insert Cardinalities into the data dictionary directly

2001-04-18 Thread Murali Vallath

Thanks for the feedback, I am coming from the Oracle Rdb world, where these 
row counts/cardinialities could be inserted into the data dictionary to 
simulate the optimizer behaviour similar to a production environment.

I see your point, this could be a negative impact to the optimizer.

Thanks for the input.]

Murali


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Take a look at dbms_stats.set_column_stats and dbms_stats.set_table_stats.  
The latter allows you to
set the number of rows, the size of the table and such ; the first allows 
you to set the number of distinct values for a column the number of nulls, 
etc.

I'm not sure what you are trying to accomplish with this.  Is simply 
changing the cardinalities of a the columns enough?  What about the 
distribution of those values?  If the changes result in a different query 
path, and your queries run more slowly, does that mean they will do so when 
the statistics truly reflect the database.  Perhaps they are running more 
slowly because you lied to the optimizer.


"I am aware that if this is was an environment with good cardinalities, 
these
   values could be exported and imported into another environment."

Cardinality reflects the ratio of distinct values to the  total number of 
values in the database.
I can think of scenarios where cardinality might change significantly for a 
time.  But I would think   in most cases it would remain fairly constant.

FYI, if statements which assert something contrary to fact are subjunctive 
not conditional.

"If this WERE an environment with good  cardinalities"

Ian MacGregor
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I am trying again

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To obtain a good analysis of a SQL statement especially in a new development
environment, based on the environment that it is to be deployed on, it would
   good to sometime reflect/simulate the production volume.

Is there a way to input table cardinalities directly into the data
dictionary so that the Optimizer could be made to act like in production.

I am aware that if this is was an environment with good cardinalities, these
   values could be exported and imported into another environment.

My question is this possible from scratch?

Regards,

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NT/Oracle defrag: just say no / RE: server sizing [NT: need XEON?]

2001-04-18 Thread Eric D. Pierce

Lerone,

(It appears you wanted to also reply to the list, but didn't get the 
list address into your response, so I'm including your entire message 
below in this reply to the list.  )

Glad you found the info useful.

I hope you are going to be able to get a box that can be upgraded 
from 2 cpus to at least 4 (or that your SLA states that additional 
scaling might require whole replacement with a 4way or 6way or 8way 
box later).

We had a discussion of NT/Oracle defrag recently.

As you probably know, the "conventional wisdom" for NT SysAdmins is 
to use one of the better defrag products, and frequently.  

   http://www.ultratech-llc.com/Personal/Files/?File=Defragger.TXT

However, Oracle says that *IF* you do things "right", you should NOT 
want-to/need-to/have-to defrag.  

Something along the lines of: NTFS is such that when the Oracle db 
files are pre-allocated, they are basically "pre-defragged", and 
since they are maintained as large files, there are *no* conditions 
under which they are going to fragment (at the OS level) after being 
created.  All defragging should be internal to Oracle (imp/exp, or 
whatever...)

Having repeatedly read the "conventional wisdom" about the need to 
defrag NT constantly, I was initially amazed at Oracle's assertion, 
but in subsequent discussion with Oracle tech support, as well as the 
gurus in this list and the NT list, it turns out Oracle is right.  

Of course for a non-db server (eg, a file server) that has a lot of 
small files that change a lot, defragging is needed.  

I noticed that you haven't mentioned backup issues. We are currently 
struggling to decide between getting the Oracle modules from either 
Legato or Veritas (hot backup), or just staying with NT4, and doing 
manual/scripted cold backups only.

On another, semi-related topic, when I used to be subscribed to a 
couple of Netware SysAdmin lists, I noticed that there was a pretty 
high percentage of people subscribed with a *lot* of "old school" 
type engineering and hardware Intel/Drive-config/Networking 
expertise. You might consider subscribing to one of those and slip a 
few hardware questions in. (archives: 
http://lsv.syr.edu/archives/novell.html, that list's super-guru: Joe 
Doupnik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>)

Of course beware that SysAmins, especially Netwareistas & other 
old timers, usually tend to hate dbas, and refer to Oracle as "the 
beast". :)

regards,
ep


On 18 Apr 2001, at 10:04, Streeter, Lerone  A LBX <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

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Date sent:  Wed, 18 Apr 2001 10:04:06 -0500

> thank you all, such an incredible amount of information and some much
> desired real world testimony.  just off the top of my head we'll more than
> likely be going with compaq and there are versions of windows 2000 that
> support 8GB of RAM so that should suffice.  a lot of my information is
> gestimates based on what we have or know.  i consider us small-to-medium and
> the 300 users and such are worst case guesses based on one time peaks.
> 
> as i remember we were looking at dual 1GHz processor boxii and being that
> our existing, insufficient, storage is about 200G we'll be looking at
> external rack mount chassis.  we have to archive/purge our database at
> regular intervals to manage space and the archive information needs to be
> readily accessible for six years.  right now we've got a production database
> and at least four archive databases which consume about 90G.
> 
> I think we'll be ok with the mixed bag of drive configurations, raid5 and
> raid1; no raid0...  failed drive will kill the raid0 set, better to use a
> more recoverable raid; which brings up another question.  Defragmentation.
> they talked a lot on defragmentation so now i'm wondering how may of you
> NT'ers use an O/S defragmenter or do you use the export/drop/build/import
> method?  not good with millions of rows i'd assume from my own personal
> experiences with migrating from server to server.  i'm working on a
> spec/tech document and i'll post it when completed, with acknowledgements of
> course... thanks.
> 
> 
> 
> ===
> Lerone Streeter
> System Analyst
> Abbott LBG
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> ===

...

> On 17 Apr 2001, at 12:11, Streeter, Lerone  A LBX wrote:
> 
> Date sent:Tue, 17 Apr 2001 12:11:22 -0800
> To:   Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> From: "Streeter, Lerone  A LBX"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject:  RE: server sizing
> 
> ...
> 
> > why NT?  familiarity and comfort.  we've asked and everyone doted on
> > oracle's ability to run on NT just as well as *nix and being that we have
> 0
> > *nix boxes mgmt of course wanted NT.  we looked for support in having
> oracle
> > on *nix but found none and accepted the offering.
> 
> ...
> 
> >>...right now we have about 100 users and a 

RE: move schema away from system table space

2001-04-18 Thread Hillman, Alex

If you are on 8i you can move tables and indexes to different tablespaces
(very easy to do it with EZSQL for example) and then change default
tablespacefrom system to new one.

Alex Hillman 

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Another option:

1. Export the users table data.
2. alter user USERNAME default tablespace NEW_TABLESPACE temporary
tablespace TEMP_TABLESPACE;
3. duplicate the schema with temp table names - tablename_temp
4. import the data
5. drop the old tables from the SYSTEM tablespace
6. alter table TABLENAME_TEMP rename to TABLENAME;

Or:

1. alter user USERNAME default tablespace NEW_TABLESPACE temporary
tablespace TEMP_TABLESPACE;
2. create table TABLENAME_TEMP as (select * from TABLENAME);
3. drop existing SYSTEM tables for the user
4. alter table TABLENAME_TEMP rename to TABLENAME;

With both of these methods you will not need to shutdown the system at all.
The second option should be done at a quite time, as you *could* (depending
on the amount of data within these tables) be doing a huge select, and you
don't want users updating to the table in SYSTEM, as you will loose data in
the new tables. If you do have users that are connected 24*7, this could be
difficult, but, if you are prepared to make them wait a while, you could
lock the table in exclusive mode whilst doing the switch and drop.

HTH

Mark


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Ashe
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2001 12:36
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Best way is to use export/import utilities.  This can be done with server on
line and you will get all table data if done at quite time when table is not
being updated.  See Oracle Backup and Recovery Guide for info on exp/imp.
PA
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Hi All,
I need to move a user/schema away from the system
tablespace to a newly created user tablespace. Could
somebody point me to the references on how to do the
job? Since a production server is running off the
schema, is it possible to do the move without having
to shut down the server?
Thanks a lot.
WL

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tnsnames problem

2001-04-18 Thread Chesebro, Eric

When I open sqlworksheet I have no problem getting into the database but
when I try getting into the db using sqlplus I get the following error:

ERROR: ORA-12154: TNS:could not resolve service name


Don't they both use the same tnsnames file?

Thanks,
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RE: Temporary Tablespace Design

2001-04-18 Thread Hillman, Alex

Temporary tablespace also used after sorting in memory finished (for sorts
small enough to not need intermediate sorts and merging) and
sort_area_retained_size less then sort_area_size.

Alex Hillman

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Well, not quite.  SORT_AREA_SIZE specifies the maximum amount, in bytes, of
memory to use for a sort.  After the sort is complete and all that remains
to do is to return the rows, the memory is released down to the size
specified by SORT_AREA_RETAINED_SIZE.  After the last row is returned, all
memory is freed.  Temporary disk is used for the intermediate sort runs only
if the SORT_AREA_SIZE isn't large enough to handle the sort in memory.  The
SORT_AREA_RETAINED_SIZE controls the size of the read buffer which is used
to maintain a portion of the sort in memory.  Myself, I use 2048000 for
SORT_AREA_SIZE, and 512000 for SORT_AREA_RETAINED_SIZE.

>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 04/18/01 11:36AM >>>
I think you are not correct. First - Oracle allocates memory for sorting as
needed by 8K chunks up to sort_area_size. Second if your sort_area_size is
large enough to do sort in memory and your sort_area_retained_size <
sort_area_size oracle will dump sorted data into temporary tablespace and
then read from this tablespace. So it is a tradeoff between late memory
release and temporary tablespace I/O.

Alex Hillman

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Hi John,
As you mentioned, it depends on a number of factors. I believe I replied to
a question about improving performance of index building after an import.
Anyway, here is the reasoning behind why I said that  When Oracle begins
sorting, it starts with the memory equal to sort_area_retained_size value
and may eventually acquire memory equal to sort_area_size. This involves at
OS level, malloc (and may be some other) memory mgmt routine(s). After the
sort phase is complete, Oracle will trigger memory de-allocation and the OS
will go at work again. If there are servile sessions performing sorts, there
can be an increased OS level memory mgmt activity (while attaining
sort_area_size and releasing it back to sort_area_retained_size) . But if
the server has *enough* memory keeping sort_area_retained_size equal to
sort_area_size may actually help. I also assume that these days most
installations have ample memory. And that the advice of using 50% (which I
had heard of) of sort area size for sort area retained size should always be
viewed in light of one's requirements and resource availability. But I can't
stop wondering... how come it was 50% and not 10% or 20%.. so it's all
relative.  I have been using what I suggested, for a number of years now
with no problems or complaints. 

Cheers !

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> 
> I thought best advice was to make the retained size smaller (50%?) of
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OT: eBusiness article

2001-04-18 Thread Eric D. Pierce

Interesting business article from the CEO of Abbott, 
Miles D. White, "Old Line Online: Transforming Traditional 
Companies Through E-Business":

https://abbott.com/corporate/corporate_center.html#


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RE: RMAN doubts

2001-04-18 Thread Claudio Roca

Never mind, i could fix it.
I had to configure Legato to use device /dev/rmt/0hbn instead of /dev/rmt/0
Thank you

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> What is your problem?
>
> I use 816.
> There is problem with sbttest in 816. But backups and recovery work fine.
> You need to relink the libobk.so file.
>
> I you provide details, I would try to answer.
>
> -Rahul
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> > Sorry to bother you, i was using RMAN to backup to disk for over 1 year,
> > but we need to backup to
> > tape, so, i had to install Legato.
> > I'm having some troubles, and i only want to know if you also
experienced
> > the same troubles.
> > I can do backup to sbt_tape, but i can't read the saved files.
> > I created a TAR in Metalink, and checked Legato Site out.but they
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> > so, i'll appreciate any feed backup.
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> > > The database 'may' be in NOARCHIVELOG mode
> > > 1. Its a 300 GB database and RMAN picks up only the USED blocks to
might
> > > save
> > >time and disk space for disk backup
> > > 2. We back up directly to tape. So if done through RMAN, we need not
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RE: Locally Managed Tablespaces

2001-04-18 Thread gregory . t . norris

I'm using LMTs with the UNIFORM EXTENT option on 8.1.6[.2], with great 
results.  Two caveats I've noticed:

1) If you want to use LMTs for rollback segments, you MUST create at 
least one rollback segment in a dictionary managed tablespace first (in 
addition to the ever-present "system" RBS).  This is bug#1176609, which 
you can lookup on Metalink... assuming that the palm pilot they're 
using as a webserver is up, of course. (-:

2) If you want to make your TEMP tablespace locally managed (i.e. 
created using TEMPFILE instead of DATAFILE), it will be created sparse 
on Unix systems.  This means that (for example) you *won't* get an 
error if you inadvertently attempt to create a file larger than it's 
host filesystem... not up front, anyway.  If that non-existent tempfile 
space is ever needed, you'll certainly get errors at that point 
(especially nasty if one of your control files is in the same 
filesystem).  So make absolutely certain that the file size is entered 
correctly.

According to Oracle Support, #2 is a documentation error which will be 
corrected in 9i.  I've been meaning to submit an enhancement request, 
asking that file > filesystem be treated as an error, but haven't 
actually done it yet.

Cheers!

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> Cc: pashe
> Subject: Locally Managed Tablespaces
> 
> 
> 
> I am interested in some statistics on Oracle locally managed 
> tablespaces.  I
> have been looking for any bugs or negative info about them.  
> Are they in use
> at alot of sites?  Seems like all the information I have come 
> across is
> positive. Which is great!  But maybe they aren't being used at alot of
> sites.  Can I hear about experiences from others on this 
> list?  how many
> sites are actually using them?
> I have several databases that I am getting ready to go 
> production soon and
> would like to create the tablespaces as locally managed, but need more
> statistics.



Problems with 8.1.6.3.4 patch on NT/2000

2001-04-18 Thread Helmut Daiminger

Hi there!

I have just installed the 8.1.6.3.4 patch on Win2k (i.e. upgraded from
8.1.6.3.0 to 8.1.6.3.4) and now the db is nor starting anymore. The Windows
service starts, but it does not start the database.

When trying to use oradim to start the db, I get some kernl32.dll error
message etc.

Weird things.

Anybody else experiencing difficulties with the 8.1.6.3.4 patch?

Thanks,
Helmut

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RE: Weird link problem

2001-04-18 Thread blair

Good question.  I just tried it and it retuns 782 instantly - which is correct.
So what is the problem with the star (*) ???

..tom


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> What happens if you do select count(name) from tab1.table?
> 
> >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 04/18/01 09:55AM >>>
> AIX 4.3
> RDBMS 8.1.6.2
> 
> When I select through a database link I have having a strange problem.  If I
> select a field or fields it works.  If I select a count it hangs.  Any ideas?
> 
> select count(*) from tab1.table;  **hangs**
> 
> select name, address from tab1.table;  **works fine**
> 
> Help!!!
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RE: Temporary Tablespace Design

2001-04-18 Thread Deshpande, Kirti

Hi Alex,
 Yes, Thanks for catching it. I got mixed up in explaining the memory
allocation properly and left out some things. Sorry. 
  What you say, is what happens in the very first sort as far as allocating
memory in chunks (until sort_area_size is reached) is concerned.  When the
very first sort operation completes, 'sort area' is left in PGA (UGA for
MTS) with the size equal to sort_area_retained_size (after deallocating
additional memory, whenever the free() call is executed). Subsequent sort
operation will start with 'sort area' of the size equal to
sort_area_retained_size and start allocating memory when needed till it
reaches the max allowed (sort_area_size). Keeping these two areas of the
same value avoids this memory allocation/deallocation process, provided
there is enough memory available to do so. Also, the sort_area_retained_size
is used in the 'fetch' phase of a sort opeation. So, if the sort had to use
disk, then it will help reduce the number of I/Os.  
This is my understanding of how sort is handled. Anyone knowing more
'internal' workings of sort, please let me (and us) know so I can get this
straight. 

Thanks.

- Kirti Deshpande 
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> I think you are not correct. First - Oracle allocates memory for sorting
> as
> needed by 8K chunks up to sort_area_size. Second if your sort_area_size is
> large enough to do sort in memory and your sort_area_retained_size <
> sort_area_size oracle will dump sorted data into temporary tablespace and
> then read from this tablespace. So it is a tradeoff between late memory
> release and temporary tablespace I/O.
> 
> Alex Hillman
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> 
> Hi John,
> As you mentioned, it depends on a number of factors. I believe I replied
> to
> a question about improving performance of index building after an import.
> Anyway, here is the reasoning behind why I said that  When Oracle
> begins
> sorting, it starts with the memory equal to sort_area_retained_size value
> and may eventually acquire memory equal to sort_area_size. This involves
> at
> OS level, malloc (and may be some other) memory mgmt routine(s). After the
> sort phase is complete, Oracle will trigger memory de-allocation and the
> OS
> will go at work again. If there are servile sessions performing sorts,
> there
> can be an increased OS level memory mgmt activity (while attaining
> sort_area_size and releasing it back to sort_area_retained_size) . But if
> the server has *enough* memory keeping sort_area_retained_size equal to
> sort_area_size may actually help. I also assume that these days most
> installations have ample memory. And that the advice of using 50% (which I
> had heard of) of sort area size for sort area retained size should always
> be
> viewed in light of one's requirements and resource availability. But I
> can't
> stop wondering... how come it was 50% and not 10% or 20%.. so it's all
> relative.  I have been using what I suggested, for a number of years now
> with no problems or complaints. 
> 
> Cheers !
> 
> - Kirti Deshpande 
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> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From:   Hallas, John [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent:   Wednesday, April 18, 2001 6:21 AM
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> > Subject:RE: Temporary Tablespace Design
> > 
> > FOR YOUR INFORMATION
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> > 
> > Kirti Deshpande writes 
> > 
> > "Also, keep SORT_AREA_RETAINED_SIZE the same as SORT_AREA_SIZE. As the
> > former will be used while fetching data after sort phase is completed."
> > 
> > I thought best advice was to make the retained size smaller (50%?) of
> > sort_area_size to allow initial sort memory to be released after the
> first
> > part of the sort is managed and only the merge phase of a disk sort is
> > left
> > to do.
> > 
> > I appreciate that a lot depends on the amount of memory available and
> the
> > number of concurrent processes that may be performing sorts but surely
> the
> > aim is to free memory up as soon as possible down to the
> > sort_area_retained_size
> > 
> > Thanks
> > 
> > John
> > 
> > (PS I do apologise for the rubbish at the top of this mail but it is
> > inserted after I have sent the mail into our mail gateway)
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Re:Direct Vs. SQL*net

2001-04-18 Thread dgoulet

Charlie,

Now that's a good question.  The best answer I can come up with is to check
the machine column in V$SESSION.  if it matches the server machine name then
they should be using the beq protocol, I'd think.  Otherwise they must be using
SQL*Net.   Wonder if anyone else has a suggestion, Hey Jared, your the guru here
aren't you??  :-)

Dick Goulet

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How can one determine via code (PL/SQL)
whether or not the current session is connected
"directly" (via the Bequeath protocol) or via
SQL*Net?

The solution needs to work for both V7 & V8.

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Re: authentication externally on WinNT

2001-04-18 Thread Jim Walski

I was just recently playing around with this and found a couple of tips to
fix my problem:

There is a registry setting called: OSAUTH_PREFIX_DOMAIN that is now
defaulted to TRUE for 8.1 databases.   To get my machine to login without a
username/password I had to create an oracle user name like
"MYDOMAIN\USERABC".  ( not sure if it matters but the notes also said to put
everything in uppercase).  You can set this to false and then i believe the
domain name can be left off the oracle username.

There is an init.ora parameter = REMOTE_OS_AUTHENT that must be set to TRUE
( I do believe this causes some security risks so you may want to
investigate those issues to.)

There is also an init.ora parameter OS_AUTHENT_PREFIX that needs to be set.
I believe the default is now "" (no prefix required for the oracle user
account).

I used these keywords and was able to locate some helpful documents in
Metalink.

HTH, Jim

References Metalink: Note:102665.1

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>Hi!
>
>Oracle8.1.7 on WinNT.
>I created database user with external authentication with whom I'm logged
on
>that WinNT server.
>When I start exp there is error
> invalid username/password logon denied.
>What am I missing? It works just fine on UNIX!
>
>TIA,
>Sonja
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Direct Vs. SQL*net

2001-04-18 Thread Charlie Mengler

How can one determine via code (PL/SQL)
whether or not the current session is connected
"directly" (via the Bequeath protocol) or via
SQL*Net?

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RE: Insert Cardinalities into the data dictionary directly

2001-04-18 Thread MacGregor, Ian A.

Take a look at dbms_stats.set_column_stats and dbms_stats.set_table_stats.  The latter 
allows you to  
set the number of rows, the size of the table and such ; the first allows you to set 
the number of distinct values for a column the number of nulls, etc.

I'm not sure what you are trying to accomplish with this.  Is simply changing the 
cardinalities of a the columns enough?  What about the distribution of those values?  
If the changes result in a different query path, and your queries run more slowly, 
does that mean they will do so when the statistics truly reflect the database.  
Perhaps they are running more slowly because you lied to the optimizer.


"I am aware that if this is was an environment with good cardinalities, these 
  values could be exported and imported into another environment." 

Cardinality reflects the ratio of distinct values to the  total number of values in 
the database.
I can think of scenarios where cardinality might change significantly for a time.  But 
I would think   in most cases it would remain fairly constant.

FYI, if statements which assert something contrary to fact are subjunctive not 
conditional.

"If this WERE an environment with good  cardinalities"  

Ian MacGregor
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I am trying again

--

To obtain a good analysis of a SQL statement especially in a new development 
environment, based on the environment that it is to be deployed on, it would 
  good to sometime reflect/simulate the production volume.

Is there a way to input table cardinalities directly into the data
dictionary so that the Optimizer could be made to act like in production.

I am aware that if this is was an environment with good cardinalities, these 
  values could be exported and imported into another environment.

My question is this possible from scratch?

Regards,

Murali Vallath

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Re: filesystem buffer ON/OFF ?

2001-04-18 Thread Alex Apostolopoulos

Hi li,

You could limit the bufferpages to a certain value but turning them off is 
defenitely not a good idea as there are more files accessed than just oracle 
data and binaries. 

cheers alex


> > Hi, all
> I have a database running oracle8.1.6 on HP-UX 11 (64 bit). We enable
> file system buffer on OS level.
> I think bypassing the filesystem buffer will improve performance because
> right now, both oracle and the filesystem are performing this operation.
>
> If I am right, should I turn off file system buffer only for data, index
> segments, how about system,rollback segs. and temporary
>
> segs. ?
> Any suggestion are very welcomed, and any website talking about this?
> because I have to convince my SA guys.
>
> thanks in advance.
> li


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RE: authentication externally on WinNT

2001-04-18 Thread MacGregor, Ian A.

Are you suggesting using "ops$" accounts over sql*net?.   Is your database 
inaccessible  usesr  with administrator/root privileges  on any of their machines?  
OPS$ authentication is notoriously easy to spoof.

Ian MacGregor
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You need an oracle username with authent_prefix added to the NT username,
which means that if NT username is "scott", oracle username should be
"ops$scott", in case that you will be using the default authentication
prefix
of "ops$". You can always choose something else, like 'mg$', (my initials,
combined with my favorite currency)

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Hi!

Oracle8.1.7 on WinNT.
I created database user with external authentication with whom I'm logged on
that WinNT server. 
When I start exp there is error
 invalid username/password logon denied.
What am I missing? It works just fine on UNIX!

TIA,
Sonja
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RE: authentication externally on WinNT

2001-04-18 Thread Gogala, Mladen

You need an oracle username with authent_prefix added to the NT username,
which means that if NT username is "scott", oracle username should be
"ops$scott", in case that you will be using the default authentication
prefix
of "ops$". You can always choose something else, like 'mg$', (my initials,
combined with my favorite currency)

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Hi!

Oracle8.1.7 on WinNT.
I created database user with external authentication with whom I'm logged on
that WinNT server. 
When I start exp there is error
 invalid username/password logon denied.
What am I missing? It works just fine on UNIX!

TIA,
Sonja
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RE: Temporary Tablespace Design

2001-04-18 Thread Hallas, John

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Tim,
You are confirming my original understanding. However Kirti stated that
based on your figures if a sort was used then malloc would be called  4
times to get from 512000 to 2048000. I do not know the answer for certain
but Kirti's view seems logical because sort_area_size is the MAX size and it
is very likely that only the retained is allocated initially and then
increased in increments up to sort_area_retained_size. Any bigger and the
sort is done to the temporary tablespace.

John


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Subject:RE: Temporary Tablespace Design

Well, not quite.  SORT_AREA_SIZE specifies the maximum
amount, in bytes, of memory to use for a sort.  After the sort is complete
and all that remains to do is to return the rows, the memory is released
down to the size specified by SORT_AREA_RETAINED_SIZE.  After the last row
is returned, all memory is freed.  Temporary disk is used for the
intermediate sort runs only if the SORT_AREA_SIZE isn't large enough to
handle the sort in memory.  The SORT_AREA_RETAINED_SIZE controls the size of
the read buffer which is used to maintain a portion of the sort in memory.
Myself, I use 2048000 for SORT_AREA_SIZE, and 512000 for
SORT_AREA_RETAINED_SIZE.

>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 04/18/01 11:36AM >>>
I think you are not correct. First - Oracle allocates memory
for sorting as
needed by 8K chunks up to sort_area_size. Second if your
sort_area_size is
large enough to do sort in memory and your
sort_area_retained_size <
sort_area_size oracle will dump sorted data into temporary
tablespace and
then read from this tablespace. So it is a tradeoff between
late memory
release and temporary tablespace I/O.

Alex Hillman

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To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L


Hi John,
As you mentioned, it depends on a number of factors. I
believe I replied to
a question about improving performance of index building
after an import.
Anyway, here is the reasoning behind why I said that
When Oracle begins
sorting, it starts with the memory equal to
sort_area_retained_size value
and may eventually acquire memory equal to sort_area_size.
This involves at
OS level, malloc (and may be some other) memory mgmt
routine(s). After the
sort phase is complete, Oracle will trigger memory
de-allocation and the OS
will go at work again. If there are servile sessions
performing sorts, there
can be an increased OS level memory mgmt activity (while
attaining
sort_area_size and releasing it back to
sort_area_retained_size) . But if
the server has *enough* memory keeping
sort_area_retained_size equal to
sort_area_size may actually help. I also assume that these
days most
installations have ample memory. And that the advice of
using 50% (which I
had heard of) of sort area size for sort area retained size
should always be
viewed in light of one's requirements and resource
availability. But I can't
stop wondering... how come it was 50% and not 10% or 20%..
so it's all
relative.  I have been using what I suggested, for a number
of years now
with no problems or complaints. 

Cheers !

- Kirti Deshpande 
  Verizon Information Services
   http://www.superpages.com 

> -Original Message-
> From: Hallas, John [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
> Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2001 6:21 AM
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> Subject:  RE: Temporary Tablespace Design
> 
> 
> Kirti Deshpande writes 
> 
> "Also, keep SORT_AREA_RETAINED_SIZE the same as
SORT_AREA_SIZE. As the
> former will be used while fetching data after sort phase
is completed."
> 
> I thought best advice was to make the retained size
smaller (50%?) of
> sort_area_size to allow initial sort memory to be released
after the first
> part 

RE: Priv to view package bodies created by other users

2001-04-18 Thread Nicoll, Iain (Calanais)

Debbie,

You could try grant select on dba_source view.

Cheers

Iain Nicoll

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I am a relatively new DBA and looking for advise.  I have a request from
our developers for the ability to view package body information which
has been created by other users.  We are currently using Oracle8i
Enterprise Edition Release 8.1.6.1.0.

I have been advised that in order to view package bodies created by
other users you need the "create any procedure" system privilege. To
view type bodies created by other users you need the "create any type"
system privilege.

Are there any object level privileges that would accomplish this
request?

TIA for your help,

Debbie James

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ORA - 600 errors reported

2001-04-18 Thread Ranganath K

Dear DBA Gurus,

   I am running Oracle 8.1.6 on Sun Solaris 2.8.  One of the
developers issued a delete command on a table without a where clause which
contained 80,000 records which caused the oracle session to hang.  He
forcefully closed the session.  Then he tried to issue the truncate command
on the same table.  Then he got the error Ora-00054 (resource busy and
acquire with nowait specified).  Then he called me.  I identified the
process which was locking the object by querying v$locked_object.  Then I
killed the session through alter system kill session command after
identifying the sid and serial# from the process.  Then I received the
message the process is marked for kill.  I again tried to issue the truncate
command on the same table.  I got the same error Ora-00054.  Then I
forcefully closed the session and  issued shutdown immediate and restarted
the database.  Then when I issued select count(*) from tablename or truncate
table tablename I received the below error:

ORA - 00600: internal error code, arguments: [kcbgcur_3], [4], [12],
[54525964], [11281], [11294], [0], [ ]

I checked the alert log file which said that errors in file
$ORACLE_HOME/admin/udump/mercedes_ora_43798.trc file.  When I checked that
file it had given the same error along with some block addresses from I
couldn't decipher anything.

Any idea as to why are these errors generated?  Any help in this regard will
be appreciated.

TIA and regards,

Ranganath


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RE: Ability for non DBA user to kill session.

2001-04-18 Thread Gogala, Mladen

Are you sure that "execute immediate" doesn't support "alter system"
command? Maybe it's a bug? Which version, which OS?

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Hi All,

Further to that, it is necessary to use DBMS_SQL or native dynamic SQL for
this
as PL/SQL does not support ALTER SYSTEM directly.

@   Regards,
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Create a procedure as SYS (or someone else powerful)
which does the 'alter system' and then grant just the
proc to the user

hth
connor

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Re: Lawrence To's article on standby databases

2001-04-18 Thread Rachel Carmichael

it's out on metalink


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>Where can I get Lawrence To's article on standby databases
>as mentioned in a recent standby discussion?
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>Thanks...Mundo
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Re: RMAN doubts

2001-04-18 Thread Rahul Dandekar

What is your problem?

I use 816.
There is problem with sbttest in 816. But backups and recovery work fine.
You need to relink the libobk.so file.

I you provide details, I would try to answer.

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> Sorry to bother you, i was using RMAN to backup to disk for over 1 year,
> but we need to backup to
> tape, so, i had to install Legato.
> I'm having some troubles, and i only want to know if you also experienced
> the same troubles.
> I can do backup to sbt_tape, but i can't read the saved files.
> I created a TAR in Metalink, and checked Legato Site out.but they
still
> didn't anwer me back..
> so, i'll appreciate any feed backup.
> Thank you.
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> > The database 'may' be in NOARCHIVELOG mode
> > 1. Its a 300 GB database and RMAN picks up only the USED blocks to might
> > save
> >time and disk space for disk backup
> > 2. We back up directly to tape. So if done through RMAN, we need not
keep
> >inventory of tapes as RMAN/Legato would maintain it internally
> > 3. I understand that with RMAN, even if database is in NOARCHIVELOG mode
> >still it would allow incremental backups which would mean saving of
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RE: server sizing [NT: need XEON?]

2001-04-18 Thread Streeter, Lerone A LBX

yes, I made a mistake then...  I'll see what I can do to collect metrics on
logical/physical I/Os.

my information is based on NT/MSSQL, we are moving to oracle so some things
you mentioned were never a concern; ultimately I want to have the
infrastructure as sound, functional, and scalable as possible.  we've
already been bitten a few times, long stories that I won't go into;
regardless they've resulted in complete rebuilds and redesigns.  I dread
spending another 50hr holiday weekend watching lights flash hoping I can get
production backup before the users get in.

I have seen CPU utilization jump in certain scenarios so that disk I/O may
be an issue but with load distributed across multiple controller channels...
I don't know; maybe good, maybe not.  I'll take note of the drive specs and
their levels of performance.  I hadn't even considered not having multiple
writers, I was sure we'd discussed implementing it in class but maybe we
just covered the theory.  I know of the six major processes ARC0, LGWR0,
DBWR0, SMON, PMON, and CKPT.  I was sure they mentioned DBWR, LGWR, and ARC
with 0's to implicate the ability to have additional processes.  as I
remember having multiple writers was mentioned as a way of managing
performance and eliminating some of those bottlenecks.

thanks.

===
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System Analyst
Abbott LBG
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"Eric D. Pierce" wrote:
> If you can get ahold of him, or can wait until he
> isn't so busy, Paul Drake of this list is the resident RAID/hardware
> expert.

Eric - this is one of the funniest pages I have seen:
http://www.ultratech-llc.com/Personal/Files/?File=~MoreInfo.TXT

uh oh. I don't know if I'm honored, or scared.
I'm not nearly the resident RAID expert - but would like to be someday.
These 4-drive JBOD workstations at home don't quite give me the room to
play.
Does the word "Heuristics" mean anything to you? I'd rather have stats
than guidelines.

Here is my one word of caution before heading off into some other
direction:

multiple database writer processes are not supported for Oracle 8.1.7 on
NT.
This is straight off of the platform-specific docs off of the Docs
CDROM.
I did receive an ORA-00600 error relating to running multiple db_writers
on NT with 8.1.6.
Don't do it.

>From Metalink:

 Subject: Re : Db Writer Process 


 Oracle on NT only allows/needs a single database writer process (DBWR). 

 Multiple DBWRs on UNIX is not multiple "real" DBWRs which 
 all go scan for dirty buffers and write them to disk. It's really just
one "real" DBWR and some I/O slaves. The "real" DBWR tells the slave
 DBWRs to do I/O. 

 On NT, there's really no need for this since async I/O and NT will 
 take care of all that for you. NT acts as the I/O slaves and the "real"
DBWR [1 DBWR thread] then checks the "slaves" to see if the I/O is
 done. 

 Melissa Holman 
 Oracle Support




Will this produce the rate-limiting-factor in your system?
I do not know. *Something* will be a rate limiting factor for a
particular process.
But as OLTP users' transactions vary so much from the batch processes,
what exactly is the overall rate_limiting_factor is tough to say - your
mileage will vary.

My background is in Chemical Engineering. I spent some time in R & D
wearing a white labcoat.
Chemical Engineering - Process Debottlenecking - is all about "Where is
the bottleneck?"
Usually, a 15-20% margin is designed in such that the plant can run
safely over its design spec without a retrofit of key components. Beyond
that - you have to find what component needs to be increased to add
capacity - safely.

For your system - design in more capacity that you need, with room for
expansion.
Empty drive bays in external storage cabinets are good. 
The rebuilds of drive arrays are painful - but if you had a 7 bay drive
cage (half a 14 bay - e.g. Storageworks 4200) with only a 4 drive array,
hiking it up to a 6 drive RAID 0+1 (I'd rather duplex these) with a hot
spare is tolerable. On an Ultra 160/m channel, 6 drives is reasonable.

Here is a baseline - I/Os per second.
A standard drive can accommodate 80-100 I/Os per second.
Larger bufffers (cache) on the hard drive can increase that number, as
can read-ahead caching algorithms on the RAID controllers. But if the
reads are scattered, as in index reads and nested loops - the cache hits
are not very likely. 
Lots of memory reduces the amount of read I/O required for a query.
It does not reduce the amount of memory bandwidth required, nor does it
completely reduce the overhead of creating consistent reads (reading
rollback segs to provide cr blocks). This is a large part of the
non-linear nature of scaling - interference of user processes creating
additional overhead.

When you say transactions per minute - these need to be translated out
to actual logical and

RE: (Fwd) Tar # 1339336.996:run all on one win2000 box: OEM, DB,

2001-04-18 Thread MacGregor, Ian A.

I would not run any web server on the same box as my database for security reasons.  A 
web server is another entity which can possibly be exploited by unscrupulous 
individuals, perhaps giving them control of  the machine.  I certainly don't want this 
happening on a database server.

Ian MacGregor
Stanford Linear Accelerator Center
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Forms web server


Larry & folks,

Still not sure what it all means!

They don't seem to be able to answer specifically on Forms *Server* 
for some reason. I'll continue asking tomorrow.

regards,
ep


--- Forwarded message follows ---

 1339336.996
   Open Date
 14-APR-01 00:45:05
  Support Identifier 
 xxx
   Last Update
 17-APR-01 20:08:12
  Product
 Oracle Server
 - Enterprise
 Edition
   Product Version  
 8.1.7
  Platform
 MS Windows 2000

  Abstract
  
  run all on one win2000 box: OEM, DB, Forms web server ? 


  Resolution History 
  
  14-APR-01 00:45:06 GMT


...

  ### Please describe your problem:###
  Can all three run on one win2000 box: 
  OEM, DB, Forms web server ?

What I need is a statement elaborating on the same issues 
  as raised in tar #123 1449.996

 My recollection of what I was told on the phone during discussion
  of the issues in tar #123 1449 .996 was that as of db v 8.1.7,
  it is not possible torun the db and forms web server on the same
  win2000 box. 

  I hope I'm not confusing something, e.g., what was actually said
  previously was that you [*]can't[*] run the db v 8.1.7 and *OEM* on the 
  same win2000 box.
  Please provide info on pertinent notes, white papers, etc., if 
  possible.
  Thanks!
  Eric
  email:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  (or phone 916-278-7586 if that is easier/ more appropriate)

  ### If you are receiving errors, please list exact error messages and text:###
  giant juicy chocolate chip peanut butter cookies!!!

...

  ### What is the impact to your business becauseof this problem? ###
  planning

  Contact me via : E-mail -> [EMAIL PROTECTED]




---
  14-APR-01 01:26:16 GMT


  I think for the forms server / database running on the same box , the best group to 
talk to 
  would be the forms group.

  xfr dataserver -> forms



---
  15-APR-01 06:07:51 GMT


  Forms 6.0.8.10.3 (Patch 1), 6.0.8.11.3 (Rel 2), 6.0.8.12.1(Patch 3A), 6.0.8.13, 
(Patch 4) are certified
  for 

  windows 2000. forms 6.0.8.12.1 (Patch 3) has been withdrawn for the 8.1.7 database. 
The check any
  other

  certified products for oracle you can go to metalink.oracle.com Then go to product 
lifcycle and
  certifications

  the verify and product certifications for any platform.

  @scl




---
  16-APR-01 19:03:12 GMT

  New info : Uh can somone explain how that "answer" was related
  to the original question (see subject line), or what it
  means otherwise?
  Better yet, please look up the name of the analyst who
  called me on tar #1231449.996, and have her contact me
  again to clarify the issue. 
  Thanks,
  Eric
  email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  ph# (916) 278-7586



---
  17-APR-01 15:21:34 GMT


  Your tar has been assigned to an analyst


---

  17-APR-01 18:50:28 GMT

  OEM 2.2 and 8.1.7 enterprize editions can live together on the same machine in the 
same Oracle_home.
  Developer 6i can reside on the same machine but has to be installed into a seperate 
oracle home.
  Intelegent agent comes with 8.1.7 and does not need to be installed from OEM.

  Hope this helps.


---
  17-APR-01 19:33:08 GMT

  New info : Thanks for letting me know that OEM and DB can run on the same box.

  I don't think I would want to run Developer6i (to develop a form) 
on the same 
  server box, but I would want to use the "webified" version of such a form on 
  the same box.

  So, part of the original question remains: can the Forms *web* server run on 
  the same box as DB (&/or OEM)?

  In the previous tar, I was told (verbally) that it is *not* possible to run the 
  equivalent of WebDB and DB8.1.7on the same box, but I wanted "written" 
  clarification of that point.

  As you might notice if you read the previous tar on this subject, I'm not 
  currently using these products (and therefor may not be using the precise 
  terminology that Oracle Tech Support is comfortable with), we are doing design 
  and capacity planning for a small application, and I want to know 
if

RE: Temporary Tablespace Design

2001-04-18 Thread Deshpande, Kirti

Jared,
 Thanks for pointing that out. 
 Yes, the free() is not immediate. However, I was generalizing all the OS
actions before & after the sort. Unfortunately I missed Steve's post on
this. I will search his Web site to see if there is anything related to
this. 

- Kirti 

> -Original Message-
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> To:   Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
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> 
> On Wednesday 18 April 2001 07:40, you wrote:
> > Hi John,
> > After the sort phase is complete, Oracle will trigger memory
> > de-allocation and the OS will go at work again. 
> 
> Kirti,
> 
> I seem to recall a post from Steve Adams not too long ago about
> this.  As I recall, free() is not called immediately, but may be delayed.
> 
> Know anything about that?
> 
> Jared
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Re: Prompt and accept a value inside a procedure

2001-04-18 Thread Chuck Hamilton

In short, no. Perhaps with Java (i'm not sure), but definitely not with
PL.SQL. There are a couple of things you can do depending on what you're
trying to accomplish.

Prompt for input in sqlplus before executing your pl/sql. If you're running
a stored procedure, pass the input as an argument. If you're running
anonymous pl/sql, embed the substitution variable in the pl/sql where you
need it.

If you need to prompt after executing some logic, don't use pl/sql. Use a
shell script to do what you want and issue sql commands against the database
via sqlplus. You can read results from a sql command into shell variables
like this.

#!/bin/ksh
print -n "Enter table name:"
read tn
sqlplus -s<
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> Hi All,
>
> Is there a way to prompt a user and accept input from the user inside a
> procedure. I cannot get the prompt/accept to work
> inside a procedure. It works it sql*plus.
>
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Lawrence To's article on standby databases

2001-04-18 Thread Edmundo Vasquez

Hi Everyone,

Where can I get Lawrence To's article on standby databases
as mentioned in a recent standby discussion?

Thanks...Mundo

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RE: Temporary Tablespace Design

2001-04-18 Thread Tim Sawmiller

Well, not quite.  SORT_AREA_SIZE specifies the maximum amount, in bytes, of memory to 
use for a sort.  After the sort is complete and all that remains to do is to return 
the rows, the memory is released down to the size specified by 
SORT_AREA_RETAINED_SIZE.  After the last row is returned, all memory is freed.  
Temporary disk is used for the intermediate sort runs only if the SORT_AREA_SIZE isn't 
large enough to handle the sort in memory.  The SORT_AREA_RETAINED_SIZE controls the 
size of the read buffer which is used to maintain a portion of the sort in memory.  
Myself, I use 2048000 for SORT_AREA_SIZE, and 512000 for SORT_AREA_RETAINED_SIZE.

>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 04/18/01 11:36AM >>>
I think you are not correct. First - Oracle allocates memory for sorting as
needed by 8K chunks up to sort_area_size. Second if your sort_area_size is
large enough to do sort in memory and your sort_area_retained_size <
sort_area_size oracle will dump sorted data into temporary tablespace and
then read from this tablespace. So it is a tradeoff between late memory
release and temporary tablespace I/O.

Alex Hillman

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Hi John,
As you mentioned, it depends on a number of factors. I believe I replied to
a question about improving performance of index building after an import.
Anyway, here is the reasoning behind why I said that  When Oracle begins
sorting, it starts with the memory equal to sort_area_retained_size value
and may eventually acquire memory equal to sort_area_size. This involves at
OS level, malloc (and may be some other) memory mgmt routine(s). After the
sort phase is complete, Oracle will trigger memory de-allocation and the OS
will go at work again. If there are servile sessions performing sorts, there
can be an increased OS level memory mgmt activity (while attaining
sort_area_size and releasing it back to sort_area_retained_size) . But if
the server has *enough* memory keeping sort_area_retained_size equal to
sort_area_size may actually help. I also assume that these days most
installations have ample memory. And that the advice of using 50% (which I
had heard of) of sort area size for sort area retained size should always be
viewed in light of one's requirements and resource availability. But I can't
stop wondering... how come it was 50% and not 10% or 20%.. so it's all
relative.  I have been using what I suggested, for a number of years now
with no problems or complaints. 

Cheers !

- Kirti Deshpande 
  Verizon Information Services
   http://www.superpages.com 

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> former will be used while fetching data after sort phase is completed."
> 
> I thought best advice was to make the retained size smaller (50%?) of
> sort_area_size to allow initial sort memory to be released after the first
> part of the sort is managed and only the merge phase of a disk sort is
> left
> to do.
> 
> I appreciate that a lot depends on the amount of memory available and the
> number of concurrent processes that may be performing sorts but surely the
> aim is to free memory up as soon as possible down to the
> sort_area_retained_size
> 
> Thanks
> 
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filesystem buffer ON/OFF ?

2001-04-18 Thread Li, Xiangli
Title: filesystem buffer ON/OFF ?





Hi, all
I have a database running oracle8.1.6 on HP-UX 11 (64 bit). We enable file system buffer on OS level.
I think bypassing the filesystem buffer will improve performance because right now, both oracle and the filesystem are performing this operation.

If I am right, should I turn off file system buffer only for data, index segments, how about system,rollback segs. and temporary 

segs. ?
Any suggestion are very welcomed, and any website talking about this? because I have to convince my SA guys.


thanks in advance.
li





Priv to view package bodies created by other users

2001-04-18 Thread Debbie James

I am a relatively new DBA and looking for advise.  I have a request from
our developers for the ability to view package body information which
has been created by other users.  We are currently using Oracle8i
Enterprise Edition Release 8.1.6.1.0.

I have been advised that in order to view package bodies created by
other users you need the "create any procedure" system privilege. To
view type bodies created by other users you need the "create any type"
system privilege.

Are there any object level privileges that would accomplish this
request?

TIA for your help,

Debbie James

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Re: Locally Managed Tablespaces

2001-04-18 Thread elewis6

We've been using them here for about 8 months
   now with no problems. Solaris 2.7, Oracle 8.1.6.3.






Patricia Ashe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>@fatcity.com on 04/17/2001 07:35:49 PM

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I am interested in some statistics on Oracle locally managed tablespaces.
I
have been looking for any bugs or negative info about them.  Are they in
use
at alot of sites?  Seems like all the information I have come across is
positive. Which is great!  But maybe they aren't being used at alot of
sites.  Can I hear about experiences from others on this list?  how many
sites are actually using them?
I have several databases that I am getting ready to go production soon and
would like to create the tablespaces as locally managed, but need more
statistics.

PA
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Re: Temporary Tablespace Design

2001-04-18 Thread Jared Still

On Wednesday 18 April 2001 07:40, you wrote:
> Hi John,
> After the sort phase is complete, Oracle will trigger memory
> de-allocation and the OS will go at work again. 

Kirti,

I seem to recall a post from Steve Adams not too long ago about
this.  As I recall, free() is not called immediately, but may be delayed.

Know anything about that?

Jared
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RE: Temporary Tablespace Design

2001-04-18 Thread Hillman, Alex

I think you are not correct. First - Oracle allocates memory for sorting as
needed by 8K chunks up to sort_area_size. Second if your sort_area_size is
large enough to do sort in memory and your sort_area_retained_size <
sort_area_size oracle will dump sorted data into temporary tablespace and
then read from this tablespace. So it is a tradeoff between late memory
release and temporary tablespace I/O.

Alex Hillman

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Hi John,
As you mentioned, it depends on a number of factors. I believe I replied to
a question about improving performance of index building after an import.
Anyway, here is the reasoning behind why I said that  When Oracle begins
sorting, it starts with the memory equal to sort_area_retained_size value
and may eventually acquire memory equal to sort_area_size. This involves at
OS level, malloc (and may be some other) memory mgmt routine(s). After the
sort phase is complete, Oracle will trigger memory de-allocation and the OS
will go at work again. If there are servile sessions performing sorts, there
can be an increased OS level memory mgmt activity (while attaining
sort_area_size and releasing it back to sort_area_retained_size) . But if
the server has *enough* memory keeping sort_area_retained_size equal to
sort_area_size may actually help. I also assume that these days most
installations have ample memory. And that the advice of using 50% (which I
had heard of) of sort area size for sort area retained size should always be
viewed in light of one's requirements and resource availability. But I can't
stop wondering... how come it was 50% and not 10% or 20%.. so it's all
relative.  I have been using what I suggested, for a number of years now
with no problems or complaints. 

Cheers !

- Kirti Deshpande 
  Verizon Information Services
   http://www.superpages.com

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> former will be used while fetching data after sort phase is completed."
> 
> I thought best advice was to make the retained size smaller (50%?) of
> sort_area_size to allow initial sort memory to be released after the first
> part of the sort is managed and only the merge phase of a disk sort is
> left
> to do.
> 
> I appreciate that a lot depends on the amount of memory available and the
> number of concurrent processes that may be performing sorts but surely the
> aim is to free memory up as soon as possible down to the
> sort_area_retained_size
> 
> Thanks
> 
> John
> 
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> inserted after I have sent the mail into our mail gateway)
> 
> 
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Re: Weird link problem

2001-04-18 Thread Chuck Hamilton

You will get the number of non-null values for name.

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What happens if you do select count(name) from tab1.table?

>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 04/18/01 09:55AM >>>
AIX 4.3
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When I select through a database link I have having a strange problem.  If I
select a field or fields it works.  If I select a count it hangs.  Any
ideas?

select count(*) from tab1.table;  **hangs**

select name, address from tab1.table;  **works fine**

Help!!!

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Designer 6i Versioning vs. ?

2001-04-18 Thread Tim Sawmiller

Anyone familiar with Designer 6i's versioning capabilties?  Does it compare well with 
Clearcase, PVCS, etc?

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Insert Cardinalities into the data dictionary directly

2001-04-18 Thread Murali Vallath

I am trying again

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To obtain a good analysis of a SQL statement especially in a new development 
environment, based on the environment that it is to be deployed on, it would 
  good to sometime reflect/simulate the production volume.

Is there a way to input table cardinalities directly into the data
dictionary so that the Optimizer could be made to act like in production.

I am aware that if this is was an environment with good cardinalities, these 
  values could be exported and imported into another environment.

My question is this possible from scratch?

Regards,

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Re: Weird link problem

2001-04-18 Thread Tim Sawmiller

What happens if you do select count(name) from tab1.table?

>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 04/18/01 09:55AM >>>
AIX 4.3
RDBMS 8.1.6.2

When I select through a database link I have having a strange problem.  If I
select a field or fields it works.  If I select a count it hangs.  Any ideas?

select count(*) from tab1.table;  **hangs**

select name, address from tab1.table;  **works fine**

Help!!!

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RE: Qualifying columns to improve performance?

2001-04-18 Thread Li, Xiangli
Title: RE: Qualifying columns to improve performance?







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Subject:    Qualifying columns to improve performance?


At a course some years ago, we were told that in join statements, we should qualify ALL our column names with the appropriate table name, not just those that may be ambiguous. The reason was that the parser would not need to spend time checking multiple tables to determine the table to which each column belongs.

 
Is this still a valid rule?
 
Does this apply to statements in PL/SQL procedures/packages?  Or are they different, because they are checked at compile time?  

 
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RE: Temporary Tablespace Design

2001-04-18 Thread Deshpande, Kirti

Hi John,
As you mentioned, it depends on a number of factors. I believe I replied to
a question about improving performance of index building after an import.
Anyway, here is the reasoning behind why I said that  When Oracle begins
sorting, it starts with the memory equal to sort_area_retained_size value
and may eventually acquire memory equal to sort_area_size. This involves at
OS level, malloc (and may be some other) memory mgmt routine(s). After the
sort phase is complete, Oracle will trigger memory de-allocation and the OS
will go at work again. If there are servile sessions performing sorts, there
can be an increased OS level memory mgmt activity (while attaining
sort_area_size and releasing it back to sort_area_retained_size) . But if
the server has *enough* memory keeping sort_area_retained_size equal to
sort_area_size may actually help. I also assume that these days most
installations have ample memory. And that the advice of using 50% (which I
had heard of) of sort area size for sort area retained size should always be
viewed in light of one's requirements and resource availability. But I can't
stop wondering... how come it was 50% and not 10% or 20%.. so it's all
relative.  I have been using what I suggested, for a number of years now
with no problems or complaints. 

Cheers !

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Re: Unemployed ????

2001-04-18 Thread Stefan Jahnke

Hi,

you're kidding right ? You're not really unemployed ?? 
I always thought you were definitely on the absolutely skilled side 
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RE: Import issue..

2001-04-18 Thread udaycb

This solution worked for me...

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Try using the 8.0.5 version of exp to export the file.  Then it should go
into the 8.0.5 database.

HTH,
Ruth
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> Hi List,
>
> I've two databases like this,
>
> 1. Oracle version 8.1.6 running on sun solaris 2.7
> 2. Oracle version 8.0.5 running on sun solarsi 2.6
>
> When I tried importing a dump of 8.1.6 into the 8.0.5 version it didn't go
> thro. I got the following errors
> IMP-00010: not a valid export file, header failed verification
> IMP-00021: operating system error - error code (dec 2, hex 0x2)
> IMP-0: Import terminated unsuccessfully
>
> I thought its because of the wrong mode of file transfer and did it again.
> But again I got this error. Is this kind of downward compatibility on sun
> is not allowed??
>
> thanks in advance,
> Manivannan.M
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Prompt and accept a value inside a procedure

2001-04-18 Thread Cale, Rick T (Richard)

Hi All,

Is there a way to prompt a user and accept input from the user inside a
procedure. I cannot get the prompt/accept to work
inside a procedure. It works it sql*plus. 

Thanks
Rick
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Weird link problem

2001-04-18 Thread blair

AIX 4.3
RDBMS 8.1.6.2

When I select through a database link I have having a strange problem.  If I
select a field or fields it works.  If I select a count it hangs.  Any ideas?

select count(*) from tab1.table;  **hangs**

select name, address from tab1.table;  **works fine**

Help!!!

..tom


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Re: Import issue..

2001-04-18 Thread Ruth Gramolini

Try using the 8.0.5 version of exp to export the file.  Then it should go
into the 8.0.5 database.

HTH,
Ruth
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> Hi List,
>
> I've two databases like this,
>
> 1. Oracle version 8.1.6 running on sun solaris 2.7
> 2. Oracle version 8.0.5 running on sun solarsi 2.6
>
> When I tried importing a dump of 8.1.6 into the 8.0.5 version it didn't go
> thro. I got the following errors
> IMP-00010: not a valid export file, header failed verification
> IMP-00021: operating system error - error code (dec 2, hex 0x2)
> IMP-0: Import terminated unsuccessfully
>
> I thought its because of the wrong mode of file transfer and did it again.
> But again I got this error. Is this kind of downward compatibility on sun
> is not allowed??
>
> thanks in advance,
> Manivannan.M
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RE: Meeting at IOUG

2001-04-18 Thread Ron Rogers

Disney provides a lot of inter-area transportation. The need for a car depends on 
where your lodging is located. If you are on the Disney campus there sould not be a 
need for a car. If you would like to visit other Orlando events then a car would be 
needed. a shuttle is usually provided by the area lodging to and from the airport and 
to and from the Disney resorts.
ROR mª¿ªm

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Anybody knows if one need to rent a car there?

Alex Hillman

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No offence to anyone but I enjoy being the designated driver. I have a good
sense of humor and a great time at any get-together. 
 Any location that the group can centrally find is ideal.
ROR mª¿ªm



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Re: Oracle 9iAs on Linux intel

2001-04-18 Thread tom panzarella

TARUN SHARMA wrote:

 Moreover, I'm working  first time on
> Linux so I don't know how to set path and oracle home variables.
> permanently. Is there any file like '.bat' in windows which set the
>path. Help needed. Also if there is any book for oracle 9i and linux.
>  

Yes.  It depends on the shell you are using.  By default Linux uses the 
Bash shell (/bin/bash).  To set your environment variables in bash edit 
the file ~/.bash_profile and include something like:

ORACLE_BASE=/usr/oraInventory
ORACLE_HOME=/usr/oracle

EXPORT ORACLE_BASE ORACLE_HOME
If you are using the C-shell (/bin/csh), you can edit your ~/.cshrc 
file, the syntax is slightly different:

set ORACLE_BASE = (/usr/oraInventory)
set ORACLE_HOME = (/usr/oracle)

If you are not sure which shell you are using, you can find out by typing:

echo $SHELL

also, the "~" thingy is a short hand for your home directory.  So if 
your user name is "tsharma" ~/.bash_profile and 
/home/tsharma/.bash_profile refer to the same file.

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Re: weird bitmap error

2001-04-18 Thread Joseph Testa


for those that care bug# 1666543 is the psycho bitmap count(*) error 
problem.

broke since it looks like 8.0.5 and still not fixed in 8.1.7

joe
>
>Joe,
>
>I saw this same problem post on lazydba just yesterday.
>
>It was a bug that is supposedly fixed in 8.1.7, but you
>know how that goes.
>
>It apparently does not corrupt data.  You probably should
>look up the details on MetaClink.
>
>Jared
>
>
>On Tuesday 17 April 2001 08:00, Joseph Testa wrote:
> > Scenario:
> >
> > AIX, 8.1.6.3.
> >
> > Cognos cube building going on.
> >
> > select count(*) from ft_sales, shows up 0 rows, its using a bitmap index
> > out of the explain plan.
> >
> > I force full table scan or force to use other bitmap index, or PK(normal
> > index) and it comes back with correct count(20+ million).
> >
> > Anyone seen anything like this before?
> >
> > thanks, joe
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RE: move schema away from system table space

2001-04-18 Thread Mark Leith

Another option:

1. Export the users table data.
2. alter user USERNAME default tablespace NEW_TABLESPACE temporary
tablespace TEMP_TABLESPACE;
3. duplicate the schema with temp table names - tablename_temp
4. import the data
5. drop the old tables from the SYSTEM tablespace
6. alter table TABLENAME_TEMP rename to TABLENAME;

Or:

1. alter user USERNAME default tablespace NEW_TABLESPACE temporary
tablespace TEMP_TABLESPACE;
2. create table TABLENAME_TEMP as (select * from TABLENAME);
3. drop existing SYSTEM tables for the user
4. alter table TABLENAME_TEMP rename to TABLENAME;

With both of these methods you will not need to shutdown the system at all.
The second option should be done at a quite time, as you *could* (depending
on the amount of data within these tables) be doing a huge select, and you
don't want users updating to the table in SYSTEM, as you will loose data in
the new tables. If you do have users that are connected 24*7, this could be
difficult, but, if you are prepared to make them wait a while, you could
lock the table in exclusive mode whilst doing the switch and drop.

HTH

Mark


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Best way is to use export/import utilities.  This can be done with server on
line and you will get all table data if done at quite time when table is not
being updated.  See Oracle Backup and Recovery Guide for info on exp/imp.
PA
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Hi All,
I need to move a user/schema away from the system
tablespace to a newly created user tablespace. Could
somebody point me to the references on how to do the
job? Since a production server is running off the
schema, is it possible to do the move without having
to shut down the server?
Thanks a lot.
WL

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db link hangs

2001-04-18 Thread blair

AIX 4.3
RDBMS 8.1.6.x

We have a problem using a db link.  The listener-side server port (1521) is
hanging.  This happens about once a week - and ends up crashing the far database
because queries through the link just hang and don't return - then we die with a
max processes error.

Has anyone else had any problems with this?  How did you solve it?  Can I
(should I) get the Oracle listener to listen on more than one port?  What are
some other ways to solve the problem?

PS:  I can connect and query the table when logged in locally.  Other
connections (not using 1521) work to the server.  netstat (and telnet to 1521)
shows only connections thru 1521 are a problem.

thanks,

..tom


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RE: Problem with DBMS_SQL

2001-04-18 Thread Steve Adams

Hi Bhat,

DBA is a role under Oracle7 (although is was a system privilege under version
6). Roles are not effective in stored procedures. Invoker's rights changes that
somewhat in 8i, but for now you have to grant the system privilege directly to
the procedure owner. You cannot rely on privileges obtained via roles.

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Hi Steve,

The account has DBA privilege and by using a direct DDL I am able to create
the table.

Anything else I can check-up.

Thanks,
- Bhat

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Hi Bhat,

The CREATE TABLE privilege probably needs to be granted
directly.

@   Regards,
@   Steve Adams
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Hi Gurus,

I am experincing a problem with a procedure containing
DBMS_SQL to create a
table.

On execution of the script I get the message PL/SQL
procedure successfully
completed, but the table doesn't get created.  In the error
log file I can
see ORA-01031: insufficient privileges message.  Any ideas.

HP-UX : Oracle 7.3.4.4.1

Thanks.
-   Bhat

Here is the procedure

create or replace PROCEDURE create_table_mbn015 IS
   dyn_sql LONG;
   cid INTEGER;
   a   integer;
   b   varchar2(100);
   abcdinteger;
BEGIN
   cid := DBMS_SQL.OPEN_CURSOR;
   dyn_sql := 'CREATE TABLE mbn015
  STORAGE (INITIAL 5M NEXT 5M)
  TABLESPACE MUGDBDATA1
  AS(  SELECT DISTINCT p.item, p.loc,
p.cppprodmethod, c.loadoffsetdur,
p.scheddate,
   (p.scheddate - c.loadoffsetdur/1440) calcdate
FROM
stsc.planorder p,stsc.cppprodmethodstep c
WHERE p.item = c.item AND   p.loc = c.loc AND
p.cppprodmethod
= c.cppprodmethod AND   c.stepnum = 20)';
   DBMS_SQL.PARSE(cid, dyn_sql, dbms_sql.v7);
   abcd := DBMS_SQL.EXECUTE(cid);
   dbms_output.put_line(abcd);
   DBMS_SQL.CLOSE_CURSOR(cid);
EXCEPTION
WHEN OTHERS THEN
   DBMS_SQL.CLOSE_CURSOR(cid);
   a := sqlcode;
   b := substr(sqlerrm,1,100);
   INSERT INTO errors VALUES (sysdate, 'A:CT', a, b);
END create_table_mbn015;
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Re: Meeting at IOUG

2001-04-18 Thread Gene Sais

Thats great, b/c I prefer to be the designated drinker.  However, I am willing to 
share that duty.  Thanks Ron.

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RE: Temporary Tablespace Design

2001-04-18 Thread Hallas, John

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I thought best advice was to make the retained size smaller (50%?) of
sort_area_size to allow initial sort memory to be released after the first
part of the sort is managed and only the merge phase of a disk sort is left
to do.

I appreciate that a lot depends on the amount of memory available and the
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RE: Conventions for naming indexes, constraints etc.

2001-04-18 Thread Ranganath K

Hi Gints Plivna,

   Thanks for the URL.  BTW where are you now?  Whom are you working
for?

Regards,

Ranganath

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Hi!

How it is in our case
http://www.itsystems.lv/gints/eng/naming_conventions.htm

But this was not mentioned earlier because I created it some minutes ago ;)

Gints Plivna




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to me?  I am in need of it very badly.

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RE: Problem with DBMS_SQL

2001-04-18 Thread Andor Gyula

Hi

If you can create the table in pure sql, then I maybe you don't have the
execute privielge for dbms_sql package.
Remember you must have this privilege explicitly granted to user not by a
role.

I hope this helps.
Gyula


> see ORA-01031: insufficient privileges message.  Any ideas.


>
> create or replace PROCEDURE create_table_mbn015 IS
>dyn_sql LONG;
>cid INTEGER;
>a   integer;
>b   varchar2(100);
>abcdinteger;
> BEGIN
>cid := DBMS_SQL.OPEN_CURSOR;
>dyn_sql := 'CREATE TABLE mbn015
>   STORAGE (INITIAL 5M NEXT 5M)
>   TABLESPACE MUGDBDATA1
>   AS(  SELECT DISTINCT p.item, p.loc,
> p.cppprodmethod, c.loadoffsetdur, p.scheddate,
>(p.scheddate - c.loadoffsetdur/1440) calcdate  FROM
> stsc.planorder p,stsc.cppprodmethodstep c
> WHERE p.item = c.item AND   p.loc = c.loc AND
> p.cppprodmethod
> = c.cppprodmethod AND   c.stepnum = 20)';
>DBMS_SQL.PARSE(cid, dyn_sql, dbms_sql.v7);
>abcd := DBMS_SQL.EXECUTE(cid);
>dbms_output.put_line(abcd);
>DBMS_SQL.CLOSE_CURSOR(cid);
> EXCEPTION
> WHEN OTHERS THEN
>DBMS_SQL.CLOSE_CURSOR(cid);
>a := sqlcode;
>b := substr(sqlerrm,1,100);
>INSERT INTO errors VALUES (sysdate, 'A:CT', a, b);
> END create_table_mbn015;
> /

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RE: Problem with DBMS_SQL

2001-04-18 Thread LBhat

Hi Steve,

The account has DBA privilege and by using a direct DDL I am able to create
the table.

Anything else I can check-up.

Thanks,
- Bhat

-Original Message-
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Subject:RE: Problem with DBMS_SQL

Hi Bhat,

The CREATE TABLE privilege probably needs to be granted
directly.

@   Regards,
@   Steve Adams
@   http://www.ixora.com.au/
@   http://www.christianity.net.au/


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Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]


Hi Gurus,

I am experincing a problem with a procedure containing
DBMS_SQL to create a
table.

On execution of the script I get the message PL/SQL
procedure successfully
completed, but the table doesn't get created.  In the error
log file I can
see ORA-01031: insufficient privileges message.  Any ideas.

HP-UX : Oracle 7.3.4.4.1

Thanks.
-   Bhat

Here is the procedure

create or replace PROCEDURE create_table_mbn015 IS
   dyn_sql LONG;
   cid INTEGER;
   a   integer;
   b   varchar2(100);
   abcdinteger;
BEGIN
   cid := DBMS_SQL.OPEN_CURSOR;
   dyn_sql := 'CREATE TABLE mbn015
  STORAGE (INITIAL 5M NEXT 5M)
  TABLESPACE MUGDBDATA1
  AS(  SELECT DISTINCT p.item, p.loc,
p.cppprodmethod, c.loadoffsetdur,
p.scheddate,
   (p.scheddate - c.loadoffsetdur/1440) calcdate
FROM
stsc.planorder p,stsc.cppprodmethodstep c
WHERE p.item = c.item AND   p.loc = c.loc AND
p.cppprodmethod
= c.cppprodmethod AND   c.stepnum = 20)';
   DBMS_SQL.PARSE(cid, dyn_sql, dbms_sql.v7);
   abcd := DBMS_SQL.EXECUTE(cid);
   dbms_output.put_line(abcd);
   DBMS_SQL.CLOSE_CURSOR(cid);
EXCEPTION
WHEN OTHERS THEN
   DBMS_SQL.CLOSE_CURSOR(cid);
   a := sqlcode;
   b := substr(sqlerrm,1,100);
   INSERT INTO errors VALUES (sysdate, 'A:CT', a, b);
END create_table_mbn015;
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RE: Problem with DBMS_SQL

2001-04-18 Thread Steve Adams

Hi Bhat,

The CREATE TABLE privilege probably needs to be granted directly.

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Hi Gurus,

I am experincing a problem with a procedure containing DBMS_SQL to create a
table.

On execution of the script I get the message PL/SQL procedure successfully
completed, but the table doesn't get created.  In the error log file I can
see ORA-01031: insufficient privileges message.  Any ideas.

HP-UX : Oracle 7.3.4.4.1

Thanks.
-   Bhat

Here is the procedure

create or replace PROCEDURE create_table_mbn015 IS
   dyn_sql LONG;
   cid INTEGER;
   a   integer;
   b   varchar2(100);
   abcdinteger;
BEGIN
   cid := DBMS_SQL.OPEN_CURSOR;
   dyn_sql := 'CREATE TABLE mbn015
  STORAGE (INITIAL 5M NEXT 5M)
  TABLESPACE MUGDBDATA1
  AS(  SELECT DISTINCT p.item, p.loc,
p.cppprodmethod, c.loadoffsetdur, p.scheddate,
   (p.scheddate - c.loadoffsetdur/1440) calcdate  FROM
stsc.planorder p,stsc.cppprodmethodstep c
WHERE p.item = c.item AND   p.loc = c.loc AND   p.cppprodmethod
= c.cppprodmethod AND   c.stepnum = 20)';
   DBMS_SQL.PARSE(cid, dyn_sql, dbms_sql.v7);
   abcd := DBMS_SQL.EXECUTE(cid);
   dbms_output.put_line(abcd);
   DBMS_SQL.CLOSE_CURSOR(cid);
EXCEPTION
WHEN OTHERS THEN
   DBMS_SQL.CLOSE_CURSOR(cid);
   a := sqlcode;
   b := substr(sqlerrm,1,100);
   INSERT INTO errors VALUES (sysdate, 'A:CT', a, b);
END create_table_mbn015;
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Problem with DBMS_SQL

2001-04-18 Thread LBhat

Hi Gurus,

I am experincing a problem with a procedure containing DBMS_SQL to create a
table.

On execution of the script I get the message PL/SQL procedure successfully
completed, but the table doesn't get created.  In the error log file I can
see ORA-01031: insufficient privileges message.  Any ideas.

HP-UX : Oracle 7.3.4.4.1

Thanks.
-   Bhat

Here is the procedure

create or replace PROCEDURE create_table_mbn015 IS
   dyn_sql LONG;
   cid INTEGER;
   a   integer;
   b   varchar2(100);
   abcdinteger;
BEGIN
   cid := DBMS_SQL.OPEN_CURSOR;
   dyn_sql := 'CREATE TABLE mbn015
  STORAGE (INITIAL 5M NEXT 5M)
  TABLESPACE MUGDBDATA1
  AS(  SELECT DISTINCT p.item, p.loc,
p.cppprodmethod, c.loadoffsetdur, p.scheddate,
   (p.scheddate - c.loadoffsetdur/1440) calcdate  FROM
stsc.planorder p,stsc.cppprodmethodstep c
WHERE p.item = c.item AND   p.loc = c.loc AND   p.cppprodmethod
= c.cppprodmethod AND   c.stepnum = 20)';
   DBMS_SQL.PARSE(cid, dyn_sql, dbms_sql.v7);
   abcd := DBMS_SQL.EXECUTE(cid);
   dbms_output.put_line(abcd);
   DBMS_SQL.CLOSE_CURSOR(cid);
EXCEPTION
WHEN OTHERS THEN
   DBMS_SQL.CLOSE_CURSOR(cid);
   a := sqlcode;
   b := substr(sqlerrm,1,100);
   INSERT INTO errors VALUES (sysdate, 'A:CT', a, b);
END create_table_mbn015;
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Re: Conventions for naming indexes, constraints etc.

2001-04-18 Thread G . Plivna


Hi!

How it is in our case
http://www.itsystems.lv/gints/eng/naming_conventions.htm

But this was not mentioned earlier because I created it some minutes ago ;)

Gints Plivna



   

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Acces forum

2001-04-18 Thread Roland . Skoldblom


I would like to know if there is a website for access developing where I  can ask 
questios?


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authentication externally on WinNT

2001-04-18 Thread Sonja Šehović

Hi!

Oracle8.1.7 on WinNT.
I created database user with external authentication with whom I'm logged on
that WinNT server. 
When I start exp there is error
 invalid username/password logon denied.
What am I missing? It works just fine on UNIX!

TIA,
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Conventions for naming indexes, constraints etc.

2001-04-18 Thread Ranganath K

Hi listers,

  A couple of days back somebody in the list had sent an URL about
the convention to be followed for naming indexes, constraints etc.  I have
lost it somewhere.  Could any of you who have saved and have it now send it
to me?  I am in need of it very badly.

TIA and regards,

Ranganath


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Re: server sizing [NT: need XEON?]

2001-04-18 Thread Paul Drake

"Eric D. Pierce" wrote:
> If you can get ahold of him, or can wait until he
> isn't so busy, Paul Drake of this list is the resident RAID/hardware
> expert.

Eric - this is one of the funniest pages I have seen:
http://www.ultratech-llc.com/Personal/Files/?File=~MoreInfo.TXT

uh oh. I don't know if I'm honored, or scared.
I'm not nearly the resident RAID expert - but would like to be someday.
These 4-drive JBOD workstations at home don't quite give me the room to
play.
Does the word "Heuristics" mean anything to you? I'd rather have stats
than guidelines.

Here is my one word of caution before heading off into some other
direction:

multiple database writer processes are not supported for Oracle 8.1.7 on
NT.
This is straight off of the platform-specific docs off of the Docs
CDROM.
I did receive an ORA-00600 error relating to running multiple db_writers
on NT with 8.1.6.
Don't do it.

>From Metalink:

 Subject: Re : Db Writer Process 


 Oracle on NT only allows/needs a single database writer process (DBWR). 

 Multiple DBWRs on UNIX is not multiple "real" DBWRs which 
 all go scan for dirty buffers and write them to disk. It's really just
one "real" DBWR and some I/O slaves. The "real" DBWR tells the slave
 DBWRs to do I/O. 

 On NT, there's really no need for this since async I/O and NT will 
 take care of all that for you. NT acts as the I/O slaves and the "real"
DBWR [1 DBWR thread] then checks the "slaves" to see if the I/O is
 done. 

 Melissa Holman 
 Oracle Support




Will this produce the rate-limiting-factor in your system?
I do not know. *Something* will be a rate limiting factor for a
particular process.
But as OLTP users' transactions vary so much from the batch processes,
what exactly is the overall rate_limiting_factor is tough to say - your
mileage will vary.

My background is in Chemical Engineering. I spent some time in R & D
wearing a white labcoat.
Chemical Engineering - Process Debottlenecking - is all about "Where is
the bottleneck?"
Usually, a 15-20% margin is designed in such that the plant can run
safely over its design spec without a retrofit of key components. Beyond
that - you have to find what component needs to be increased to add
capacity - safely.

For your system - design in more capacity that you need, with room for
expansion.
Empty drive bays in external storage cabinets are good. 
The rebuilds of drive arrays are painful - but if you had a 7 bay drive
cage (half a 14 bay - e.g. Storageworks 4200) with only a 4 drive array,
hiking it up to a 6 drive RAID 0+1 (I'd rather duplex these) with a hot
spare is tolerable. On an Ultra 160/m channel, 6 drives is reasonable.

Here is a baseline - I/Os per second.
A standard drive can accommodate 80-100 I/Os per second.
Larger bufffers (cache) on the hard drive can increase that number, as
can read-ahead caching algorithms on the RAID controllers. But if the
reads are scattered, as in index reads and nested loops - the cache hits
are not very likely. 
Lots of memory reduces the amount of read I/O required for a query.
It does not reduce the amount of memory bandwidth required, nor does it
completely reduce the overhead of creating consistent reads (reading
rollback segs to provide cr blocks). This is a large part of the
non-linear nature of scaling - interference of user processes creating
additional overhead.

When you say transactions per minute - these need to be translated out
to actual logical and physical I/Os.
Best bet here is to vary the number of sessions running in a scripted
mode, and benchmark the I/Os required per transaction.

So where would your bottleneck be?
LGWR? DBWR? ARCH? Will your checkpoints really hurt with only a single
DBWR?
Will it be in the network I/O, Storage subsystem, memory bandwidth or
just the capacity of the PCI bus channels? Definitely go for the 64-bit,
66 MHz RAID controllers, as many PCI bus channels and memory controllers
as you can find.

I can tell you this from experience:

when the CPUs are I/O-bound, they do not appear as active in NT Task
Manager.

try this out:

perform an export of a schema with datafiles, indexes, temp and the dump
file all on one drive.
then perform an export of the same schema with all of the above files on
separate drives.
I saw the average CPU utilization INCREASE from 20% to 80% average in
performing this back on 7.3.
Did the export utility crush the CPU? No. The I/O bottleneck (disc) was
somewhat removed, and the CPU was free to perform useful work. The
overall time of execution of the export dropped - but I don't have the
scaling factors around.

I've seen an NT box (Compaq Proliant 7000) run (4 CPUs, 26 hard drives,
7 I/O channels, 3.2 GB RAM) that averages a CPU utilization of around
85% under full load. But its executing user tasks much more quickly than
a comperable dual CPU box. What this config tells you is - with
sufficient available I/O - the CPUs will attempt to run at 100%
utilization provided there are requests in the queue.

You do have some flexib

Overlapping date intervals?

2001-04-18 Thread Andor Gyula

Hi Gurus !

I should examine date intervals regrding to overlapping. How could I do it
in the simpliest way?
I suppose there is a solution with "union/intersect" select, but I can't
find out it.
Please help me.

Thanks in advance.
Gyula

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RE: Locally Managed Tablespaces

2001-04-18 Thread Hallas, John

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I have noted a very minor issue on our AIX 4.3 systems running 8.1.6.0.0
when creating a LMT.
We get the error message ORA-01543 tablespace XXX already exists but it then
goes on to create the tablespace.

This is repeatable on several systems all at the same version.  On an
8.1.6.3 system it does not happen. There is nothing on Metalink.

The command I am using is create tablespace john datafile '' size
100M extent management local uniform size 1M;

Anybody getting this on an 8.1.6.0 system?

John





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Patricia, 

FWIW, We have been using them for several months now and
have not seen anything negative as a result.  We decided to start using them
for all new tablespaces and we add a new set of tablespaces every month to
accomodate our partitioning strategy.

Our biggest databases that we are doing this with are over
200MB on Compaq Tru64. Database version was 8.1.6.0 and we have moved to
8.1.6.2 with no noted problems.  

Good luck.

Stephen 

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I am interested in some statistics on Oracle locally managed
tablespaces.  I
have been looking for any bugs or negative info about them.
Are they in use
at alot of sites?  Seems like all the information I have
come across is
positive. Which is great!  But maybe they aren't being used
at alot of
sites.  Can I hear about experiences from others on this
list?  how many
sites are actually using them?
I have several databases that I am getting ready to go
production soon and
would like to create the tablespaces as locally managed, but
need more
statistics.

PA
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