Re: sqlplus question

2002-01-29 Thread Stephane Faroult

And if you are running an unavowable OS, you can probably turn your
SQL*Plus script into a jPL/SQL procedure and schedule it using dbms_job.

Weaver, Walt wrote:
 
 Cron? At?
 
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 Hello,
 I need to run some script using Oracle Sqlplus.  The script is only suppose
 to run certain days of week.
 Does anyone have a suggestion how to do that.
 
 Thank you.
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LOB Help needed

2002-01-29 Thread Arslan Dar
Title: LOB Help needed





Hi, 

Has anyone any document about implementation of Lobs/BFILES using Oracle Developer 6/6i as front end tool. Manulplating LOBs within the database is not a big problem, but getting them out to display it is what I need. I have found a doc which explains the procedure but its about JAVA not Developer 6,

Any help in the regards will be highly appreciated..

Thanks in Advance,


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Shaukat Khanum Memorial Cancer Hospital  Research Centre

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Re: AW: auditing tables

2002-01-29 Thread Stephane Faroult

Foelz.Frank wrote:
 
 TNX for your answers.
 
 What I need is exactly what Oracle doesn't support. Logging who changed
 what in a
 special area of our database.
 
 I think triggering the events will be much more specific and more easy to
 change.
 
 In case all our applications use the same database and user, I am trying to
 check out
 what application is changing monitored tables (i.e. c:\app\userapp\app.exe
 is changing
 table1).
 What do you think of that ??
 
 greets
 
  Frank 

dbms_application_info + triggers.

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RE: RTFM questions (formally RE: PL/SQL)

2002-01-29 Thread Thomas, Kevin

Amen!

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The problem is that if you always ask the group for help, you never learn
where the information is within the manuals or other reference documentation
and the group also gets cluttered with trivia.

I agree with you that the list is here to help people and I personally do
not mind the odd naive question from a new DBA, but it is the ...can't be
bothered to look up the manual.. attitude that is most frustrating.  When
you ask the format of a command (for example) to the list, you are
potentionally asking 1000's of people the same question who will all have to
spend the time to filter these questions - we are all busy people and I
personally do not want to use my time in this way.  I'm sure you can see
that this is a much more expensive option than asking the person next to
you.

   
Cheers, 
Craig. 



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Why do you bother being on this List: The list is here to help fellow 
DBA'S. Have you never said to one of your collegues , what is the format of 
this command, or how can I do that, when you simply cant be bothered to 
look it up in the manual (either your busy or just down right lazy): 
Sometimes this list is useful for just that. So why dont u lighten up dude. 


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OFF TOPIC: RE: PL/SQL

2002-01-29 Thread Thomas, Kevin

When I arrive in the morning to a mailbox containing 150+ messages from this
list, I'm almost certainly guaranteed that 10% of them will be questions
that can easily be found via otn or a manual. That 10% usually comes from
the same person!! No wonder I'm irritated!!!

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Geez... lay off already.  If you don't think the question is worthy of
your time, then don't answer it.  What a grouch.

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RRR   TTTFF
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How can I in a pl/sql block write null if I want null to be inserted in
a field when I use dynamic sql.? . I mean nothing is going to be
inserted.




Thanks in advance


Roland

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RE: sqlplus question

2002-01-29 Thread Rajesh Dayal

I was also trying to put some script on Oracle scheduler and successful too.
But on Oracle 8
I failed. It was successful on Oracle 8i (8 doesn't support execute
immediate). Would appreciate,
if someone can give equivalent code for Oracle 8. 
Here is the code for Oracle 8i,

create or replace PROCEDURE SWITCH IS
  2  BEGIN
  3  execute immediate 'alter system switch logfile ';
  4  commit ;  
  5  END;
6 /

Thanks in Advance,
Rajesh
NOTE: It would be executed with any user having sysdba privilege. 

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And if you are running an unavowable OS, you can probably turn your
SQL*Plus script into a jPL/SQL procedure and schedule it using dbms_job.

Weaver, Walt wrote:

 Cron? At?

 -Original Message-
 Sent: Monday, January 28, 2002 3:21 PM
 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L

 Hello,
 I need to run some script using Oracle Sqlplus.  The script is only
suppose
 to run certain days of week.
 Does anyone have a suggestion how to do that.

 Thank you.
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RE: PL/SQL

2002-01-29 Thread Thomas, Kevin

because DUDE! see my earlier explanation! I ask colleagues if I can't find
it in the manual...such is the joy of the internet...the pages are
bookmarked and are therein front...on my screenwhere I need them!
It's not rocket science!

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Why do you bother being on this List: The list is here to help fellow
DBA'S. Have you never said to one of your collegues , what is the format of
this command, or how can I do that, when you simply cant be bothered to
look it up in the manual (either your busy or just down right lazy):
Sometimes this list is useful for just that. So why dont u lighten up dude.


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RE: sqlplus question

2002-01-29 Thread Ghadge,Sameer

u can also create batch file
if os is windows
e.g. t.sql as
set serveroutput on;
select * from tab;
exit;


put this in some batch file 
eq bb.bat
sqlplus  fxsam/s@du @t

and schedule bb.bat
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 And if you are running an unavowable OS, you can probably turn your
 SQL*Plus script into a jPL/SQL procedure and schedule it using dbms_job.
 
 Weaver, Walt wrote:
  
  Cron? At?
  
  -Original Message-
  Sent: Monday, January 28, 2002 3:21 PM
  To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
  
  Hello,
  I need to run some script using Oracle Sqlplus.  The script is only
 suppose
  to run certain days of week.
  Does anyone have a suggestion how to do that.
  
  Thank you.
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Re: sqlplus question

2002-01-29 Thread Stephane Faroult

Rajesh Dayal wrote:
 
 I was also trying to put some script on Oracle scheduler and successful too.
 But on Oracle 8
 I failed. It was successful on Oracle 8i (8 doesn't support execute
 immediate). Would appreciate,
 if someone can give equivalent code for Oracle 8.
 Here is the code for Oracle 8i,
 
 create or replace PROCEDURE SWITCH IS
   2  BEGIN
   3  execute immediate 'alter system switch logfile ';
   4  commit ;
   5  END;
 6 /
 
 Thanks in Advance,
 Rajesh
 NOTE: It would be executed with any user having sysdba privilege.
 

Look in the doc for the dbms_sql package. Hardly more complicated than
'execute immediate' for DDL (you declare a handler for the cursor, then
it's done in two calls, parse and execute).
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RE: Need some help PLEASE on an ora 3113 in svrmgrl

2002-01-29 Thread SARKAR, Samir

Bill,

I think u have some hung shared memory segments which need to b cleaned up 
before u can start ur instance. Do the following :

At the Unix prompt, type :

 $ ipcs -mobs

Then identify the segment id which has Owner = Oracle and Nattch = 0.
Remove that segment using the following command :

 $ ipcrm -m shared_memory_id

Start up the database.

Hope this helps.

Samir
 
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Hi All,

i am running oracle 8170 on solaris 7,  i had a problem shutting down
oracle and ended up having to do a shutdown abort.  i reboot the server
to clean everything up and when i tried to restart the db i get the ora 3113
inside of svrmgrl.  There are 2 other db that start up fine.  It creates a
20m
core file and there are no errors in the alert log, listener log, sqlnet 
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and no trace files.

Any help would be greatly appreciated!!  i am lost been looking around
metalink for hours and can't find anything useful.

Thanks,

-bill


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Report Builder [32-bit]

2002-01-29 Thread nshah

I am trying to save a report at runtime in PDF format.
I am getting the error REP-1249 : Column '...' has no pl/sql formula.
I have Report Builder 3.0.5.8.0

Help.

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RE: OFF TOPIC: RE: PL/SQL

2002-01-29 Thread Daemen, Remco

Hear hear ! You tell 'm, Kevin ! I'm with you all the way. 

Anybody can ask me a simple question when they are looking for a quick
answer, but you can't do a good job when you're always looking for quick
answers. You have to LEARN. There's a difference between learning and
constantly asking questions. 

Sorry, couldn't resist ...

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When I arrive in the morning to a mailbox containing 150+ messages from
this
list, I'm almost certainly guaranteed that 10% of them will be questions
that can easily be found via otn or a manual. That 10% usually comes
from
the same person!! No wonder I'm irritated!!!

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Geez... lay off already.  If you don't think the question is worthy of
your time, then don't answer it.  What a grouch.

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RRR   TTTFF
!!

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To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L


How can I in a pl/sql block write null if I want null to be inserted in
a field when I use dynamic sql.? . I mean nothing is going to be
inserted.




Thanks in advance


Roland

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Rman again. Long screen output included

2002-01-29 Thread nlzanen1



Hi ,


I copied jay's line for duplication until time exactly into my test script
but recovering errors out in the end.

I looked in the documentation for another example of the until time clause
but no luck. Can anybody explain why this won't work.
(the double single quotes to which it translates looks fishy to me, but so
does the whole RMAN thing at the moment)

If I remove the until time clause it works fine.

following is the screen output of my RMAN commands



ep3[/data/oracle8/BACKUP]$ cat rmanClone.sh
export ORACLE_SID=TEST3
sqlplus /nolog EOF
connect sys/rman_oracledba as sysdba
shutdown abort
startup nomount
exit
EOF
rm /data/oracle8/TEST3/*
rman EOF
connect target rman/rman_oracledba@test2
connect catalog rman/rman_oracledba@test1
connect auxiliary sys/rman_oracledba@test3
run {
set until time to_date('29012002094700','ddmmhh24miss');
allocate auxiliary channel d1 type disk;
allocate auxiliary channel d2 type disk;
duplicate target database to test3;
}
EOF
ep3[/data/oracle8/BACKUP]$ rmanClone.sh

SQL*Plus: Release 8.1.7.0.0 - Production on Tue Jan 29 11:03:27 2002

(c) Copyright 2000 Oracle Corporation.  All rights reserved.

SQL Connected.
SQL ORACLE instance shut down.
SQL ORACLE instance started.

Total System Global Area   74919828 bytes
Fixed Size73620 bytes
Variable Size  33808384 bytes
Database Buffers   4096 bytes
Redo Buffers  77824 bytes
SQL Disconnected from Oracle8i Enterprise Edition Release 8.1.7.2.0 -
Production
With the Partitioning option
JServer Release 8.1.7.2.0 - Production

Recovery Manager: Release 8.1.7.2.0 - Production

RMAN
RMAN-06005: connected to target database: TEST2 (DBID=536102344)

RMAN
RMAN-06008: connected to recovery catalog database

RMAN
RMAN-06020: connected to auxiliary database

RMAN 2 3 4 5 6
RMAN-03022: compiling command: set

RMAN-03022: compiling command: allocate
RMAN-03023: executing command: allocate
RMAN-08030: allocated channel: d1
RMAN-08500: channel d1: sid=11 devtype=DISK

RMAN-03022: compiling command: allocate
RMAN-03023: executing command: allocate
RMAN-08030: allocated channel: d2
RMAN-08500: channel d2: sid=12 devtype=DISK

RMAN-03022: compiling command: Duplicate Db

RMAN-03027: printing stored script: Memory Script
{
   set until scn  95275;
   set newname for datafile  1 to
 /data/oracle8/TEST3/systemTEST3.dbf;
   set newname for datafile  2 to
 /data/oracle8/TEST3/rbsTEST3.dbf;
   set newname for datafile  3 to
 /data/oracle8/TEST3/tempTEST3.dbf;
   set newname for datafile  4 to
 /data/oracle8/TEST3/dataTEST3.dbf;
   restore
   check readonly
   clone database
   ;
}
RMAN-03021: executing script: Memory Script

RMAN-03022: compiling command: set

RMAN-03022: compiling command: set

RMAN-03022: compiling command: set

RMAN-03022: compiling command: set

RMAN-03022: compiling command: set

RMAN-03022: compiling command: restore

RMAN-03022: compiling command: IRESTORE
RMAN-03023: executing command: IRESTORE
RMAN-08016: channel d1: starting datafile backupset restore
RMAN-08502: set_count=42 set_stamp=452362933 creation_time=28-JAN-02
RMAN-08089: channel d1: specifying datafile(s) to restore from backup set
RMAN-08523: restoring datafile 2 to /data/oracle8/TEST3/rbsTEST3.dbf
RMAN-08523: restoring datafile 4 to /data/oracle8/TEST3/dataTEST3.dbf
RMAN-08016: channel d2: starting datafile backupset restore
RMAN-08502: set_count=43 set_stamp=452362949 creation_time=28-JAN-02
RMAN-08089: channel d2: specifying datafile(s) to restore from backup set
RMAN-08523: restoring datafile 3 to /data/oracle8/TEST3/tempTEST3.dbf
RMAN-08023: channel d2: restored backup piece 1
RMAN-08511: piece
handle=/data/oracle8/BACKUP/rman_LVL0_TEST2.452362949.1.1.bus tag=null
params=NULL
RMAN-08024: channel d2: restore complete
RMAN-08016: channel d2: starting datafile backupset restore
RMAN-08502: set_count=44 set_stamp=452362964 creation_time=28-JAN-02
RMAN-08089: channel d2: specifying datafile(s) to restore from backup set
RMAN-08523: restoring datafile 1 to /data/oracle8/TEST3/systemTEST3.dbf
RMAN-08023: channel d1: restored backup piece 1
RMAN-08511: piece
handle=/data/oracle8/BACKUP/rman_LVL0_TEST2.452362933.1.1.bus tag=null
params=NULL
RMAN-08024: channel d1: restore complete
RMAN-08023: channel d2: restored backup piece 1
RMAN-08511: piece
handle=/data/oracle8/BACKUP/rman_LVL0_TEST2.452362964.1.1.bus tag=null
params=NULL
RMAN-08024: channel d2: restore complete
RMAN-06162: sql statement: CREATE CONTROLFILE REUSE SET DATABASE test3
RESETLOGS ARCHIVELOG
  MAXLOGFILES 32
  MAXLOGMEMBERS  2
  MAXDATAFILES   30
  MAXINSTANCES 8
  MAXLOGHISTORY  907
 LOGFILE
  GROUP  1 ( '/data/oracle8/TEST3/redoTEST301.log' ) SIZE 512000
REUSE,
  GROUP  2 ( '/data/oracle8/TEST3/redoTEST302.log' ) SIZE 512000
REUSE,
  GROUP  3 ( '/data/oracle8/TEST3/redoTEST303.log' ) SIZE 

Re: AW: auditing tables

2002-01-29 Thread Rachel Carmichael

triggers -- that do an insert into an auditing table. Been there, done
that:

Insert -- add a row to the auditing table of all the new values with
one extra column type =I

Delete add a row to the auditing table with all the old values and
type=D

Update -- add two rows to the auditing table -- first with old values
and type = O
second with all the new values and type =N 


--- Foelz.Frank [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 TNX for your answers.
 
 What I need is exactly what Oracle doesn't support. Logging who
 changed
 what in a
 special area of our database.
 
 I think triggering the events will be much more specific and more
 easy to
 change.
 
 In case all our applications use the same database and user, I am
 trying to
 check out
 what application is changing monitored tables (i.e.
 c:\app\userapp\app.exe
 is changing
 table1).
 What do you think of that ??
 
 greets
 
  Frank 
 
 
 Von: Rachel Carmichael [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 
 what sort of information are you looking to audit?  if you want any
 sort of detail, you are better off with triggers and possibly an
 audit
 table.  Oracle doesn't record WHAT has been changed, just that the
 table was accessed. So you don't know the row etc...
 
 
 --- Foelz.Frank [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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  does anyone have experience in using Oracle's possibilities of
  auditing
  a database ??
  
  I am interested in performance questions i.e. is it a hughe loss
 of
  performance
  when auditing tables Inserts/Updates/Deletes. Should I use
 triggers
  instead
  ?
  
  any hints (comments, websites, etc...) are welcome.
  
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RE: sqlplus question

2002-01-29 Thread Rajesh Dayal

Thanks Stephan,
Your suggestion had motivated me and I wrote the code,
after RTFM.

Sameer,

I didn't scheduled the job on OS because this should an Oracle Job,
log switching has nothing to do with OS (you don't trouble a company 
GM when the work should be done by a Normal Manager right??). 
And you need to handle the error conditions of OS when your 
DB is down, which is eliminated in this case. 

Any-way thanks to all, 
Rajesh

And-yes, the code is like this:

create or replace PROCEDURE SWITCH1 IS
  c   number;
  d   number;
begin
  c := dbms_sql.open_cursor;
  dbms_sql.parse(c, 'alter system switch logfile', 1);
  d := dbms_sql.execute(c);
  dbms_sql.close_cursor(c);
commit ;
END;

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Rajesh Dayal wrote:

 I was also trying to put some script on Oracle scheduler and successful
too.
 But on Oracle 8
 I failed. It was successful on Oracle 8i (8 doesn't support execute
 immediate). Would appreciate,
 if someone can give equivalent code for Oracle 8.
 Here is the code for Oracle 8i,

 create or replace PROCEDURE SWITCH IS
   2  BEGIN
   3  execute immediate 'alter system switch logfile ';
   4  commit ;
   5  END;
 6 /

 Thanks in Advance,
 Rajesh
 NOTE: It would be executed with any user having sysdba privilege.


Look in the doc for the dbms_sql package. Hardly more complicated than
'execute immediate' for DDL (you declare a handler for the cursor, then
it's done in two calls, parse and execute).
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RE: bug in cursor FOR loops?

2002-01-29 Thread

I have seen something like this with application loop
that open a new cursor for each iteration of the loop.


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 Is there a bug (8.1.7.2.0 on HP-UX) in the implementation of cursor FOR
 loops, such that the cursor is not closed upon loop exit?  If a
 function containing such a loop is called many times, eventually the
 session returns a too many open cursors error; an attempt to close
 the cursor manually after the loop returns invalid cursor.  I've
 searched MetaLink (including bug database) and haven't found anything.
 
 TIA,
 
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OT : howto RTFM

2002-01-29 Thread Marin Dimitrov


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RE: Public Privileges on system tables?

2002-01-29 Thread

Hello Ron

I checked our 7.3.4 DB (on NT) and did not find these tables.
I think that they may belong to a product that use these tables and 
so everyone who uses this product need them.

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 I have two tables, sys.pstubtbl and sys.user_privs that have grants to
 public for insert, update, and delete.  Our auditors are wondering why.
 I don't really want to remove the privs without knowing why.  This is an
 old
 7.3.4 instance.  Any ideas?
  
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Class does not exist error

2002-01-29 Thread Rick_Cale

Hi DBAs,

Oracle 8.1.6, NT server, JServer 8.1.6, Win 200 client

A list member sent me a pl/sql script for sending mail. It compiles ok when
I run it I get the following error

class oracle/plsql/net/TCPConnection does not exist

Any ideas on how to correct this? I do not know if I have to do something
on client side or server side


Thanks
Rick


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RE: Rman again. Long screen output included

2002-01-29 Thread

Hello Jack

The RMAN commandrecover database; 
is changed to be recover database until time '1999-03-05:11:33:00';


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 Hi ,
 
 
 I copied jay's line for duplication until time exactly into my test script
 but recovering errors out in the end.
 
 I looked in the documentation for another example of the until time clause
 but no luck. Can anybody explain why this won't work.
 (the double single quotes to which it translates looks fishy to me, but so
 does the whole RMAN thing at the moment)
 
 If I remove the until time clause it works fine.
 
 following is the screen output of my RMAN commands
 
 
 **
 **
 ep3[/data/oracle8/BACKUP]$ cat rmanClone.sh
 export ORACLE_SID=TEST3
 sqlplus /nolog EOF
 connect sys/rman_oracledba as sysdba
 shutdown abort
 startup nomount
 exit
 EOF
 rm /data/oracle8/TEST3/*
 rman EOF
 connect target rman/rman_oracledba@test2
 connect catalog rman/rman_oracledba@test1
 connect auxiliary sys/rman_oracledba@test3
 run {
 set until time to_date('29012002094700','ddmmhh24miss');
 allocate auxiliary channel d1 type disk;
 allocate auxiliary channel d2 type disk;
 duplicate target database to test3;
 }
 EOF
 ep3[/data/oracle8/BACKUP]$ rmanClone.sh
 
 SQL*Plus: Release 8.1.7.0.0 - Production on Tue Jan 29 11:03:27 2002
 
 (c) Copyright 2000 Oracle Corporation.  All rights reserved.
 
 SQL Connected.
 SQL ORACLE instance shut down.
 SQL ORACLE instance started.
 
 Total System Global Area   74919828 bytes
 Fixed Size73620 bytes
 Variable Size  33808384 bytes
 Database Buffers   4096 bytes
 Redo Buffers  77824 bytes
 SQL Disconnected from Oracle8i Enterprise Edition Release 8.1.7.2.0 -
 Production
 With the Partitioning option
 JServer Release 8.1.7.2.0 - Production
 
 Recovery Manager: Release 8.1.7.2.0 - Production
 
 RMAN
 RMAN-06005: connected to target database: TEST2 (DBID=536102344)
 
 RMAN
 RMAN-06008: connected to recovery catalog database
 
 RMAN
 RMAN-06020: connected to auxiliary database
 
 RMAN 2 3 4 5 6
 RMAN-03022: compiling command: set
 
 RMAN-03022: compiling command: allocate
 RMAN-03023: executing command: allocate
 RMAN-08030: allocated channel: d1
 RMAN-08500: channel d1: sid=11 devtype=DISK
 
 RMAN-03022: compiling command: allocate
 RMAN-03023: executing command: allocate
 RMAN-08030: allocated channel: d2
 RMAN-08500: channel d2: sid=12 devtype=DISK
 
 RMAN-03022: compiling command: Duplicate Db
 
 RMAN-03027: printing stored script: Memory Script
 {
set until scn  95275;
set newname for datafile  1 to
  /data/oracle8/TEST3/systemTEST3.dbf;
set newname for datafile  2 to
  /data/oracle8/TEST3/rbsTEST3.dbf;
set newname for datafile  3 to
  /data/oracle8/TEST3/tempTEST3.dbf;
set newname for datafile  4 to
  /data/oracle8/TEST3/dataTEST3.dbf;
restore
check readonly
clone database
;
 }
 RMAN-03021: executing script: Memory Script
 
 RMAN-03022: compiling command: set
 
 RMAN-03022: compiling command: set
 
 RMAN-03022: compiling command: set
 
 RMAN-03022: compiling command: set
 
 RMAN-03022: compiling command: set
 
 RMAN-03022: compiling command: restore
 
 RMAN-03022: compiling command: IRESTORE
 RMAN-03023: executing command: IRESTORE
 RMAN-08016: channel d1: starting datafile backupset restore
 RMAN-08502: set_count=42 set_stamp=452362933 creation_time=28-JAN-02
 RMAN-08089: channel d1: specifying datafile(s) to restore from backup set
 RMAN-08523: restoring datafile 2 to /data/oracle8/TEST3/rbsTEST3.dbf
 RMAN-08523: restoring datafile 4 to /data/oracle8/TEST3/dataTEST3.dbf
 RMAN-08016: channel d2: starting datafile backupset restore
 RMAN-08502: set_count=43 set_stamp=452362949 creation_time=28-JAN-02
 RMAN-08089: channel d2: specifying datafile(s) to restore from backup set
 RMAN-08523: restoring datafile 3 to /data/oracle8/TEST3/tempTEST3.dbf
 RMAN-08023: channel d2: restored backup piece 1
 RMAN-08511: piece
 handle=/data/oracle8/BACKUP/rman_LVL0_TEST2.452362949.1.1.bus tag=null
 params=NULL
 RMAN-08024: channel d2: restore complete
 RMAN-08016: channel d2: starting datafile backupset restore
 RMAN-08502: set_count=44 set_stamp=452362964 creation_time=28-JAN-02
 RMAN-08089: channel d2: specifying datafile(s) to restore from backup set
 RMAN-08523: restoring datafile 1 to
 /data/oracle8/TEST3/systemTEST3..dbf
 RMAN-08023: channel d1: restored backup piece 1
 RMAN-08511: piece
 handle=/data/oracle8/BACKUP/rman_LVL0_TEST2.452362933.1.1.bus tag=null
 params=NULL
 RMAN-08024: channel d1: restore complete
 RMAN-08023: channel d2: restored backup piece 1
 RMAN-08511: piece
 

INFORMIX 7.3 to ORACLE 8.1.7

2002-01-29 Thread Sonja ehovi

Hi!
We inherited one Informix database, which we must put into our production
Oracle database (new schema). Both databases are on AIX UNIX machines. 
We can do this by writing a scripts, but I'm wondering does any of you have
some experiance in this, and could you suggest me some other (simpler) way?
Perhaps some Conversion tools?

TIA,
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Re: Class does not exist error

2002-01-29 Thread Stephane Faroult

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 Hi DBAs,
 
 Oracle 8.1.6, NT server, JServer 8.1.6, Win 200 client
 
 A list member sent me a pl/sql script for sending mail. It compiles ok when
 I run it I get the following error
 
 class oracle/plsql/net/TCPConnection does not exist
 
 Any ideas on how to correct this? I do not know if I have to do something
 on client side or server side
 
 Thanks
 Rick
 

Where do you think the stored procedure is executed? Your runtime
message comes from a dynamically loaded routine. If you find
TCPConnection.class it may be CLASSPATH or similar which is improperly
set on your server.
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RE: OT : howto RTFM

2002-01-29 Thread Rajesh Dayal

Cant' believe that !!!



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RE: Rman again. Long screen output included

2002-01-29 Thread nlzanen1



Hi Thomas,


AFAIK this is generated code (by RMAN) based on the command duplicate that
I issued. I sure didn't store any script yet. This is the next step when
all secrets of RMAN are uncovered (than it's time to move to RMAN 9i)


Jack




Mercadante, Thomas F [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 29-01-2002
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But where is it getting the other commands shown in the output?

Like the set newfile for datafile 1 to command?

Are you running scripts stored within the Rman catalog?  The message
'RMAN-03027-' states that this is a stored script.

Maybe a stored script is wrong?

Just a thought.

Tom Mercadante
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Hi,


In my test script (all I'm doing is trying to find out the do's  don'ts
of RMAN for the moment but examples are difficult to find and error
messages frequent) I put double quotes, but later (towards the end of the
screen output it shows  the line with double single quotes around the
format mask and date string (must be what it translates into internally)
and that is the only thing weird to me


Jack




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Jack,

I don't think Rman wants double single quotes, but double quotes around
the whole to_date clause.  At least that's what I use when performing
recovery.

Did I mis-read what you said?

Hope this helps.

Tom Mercadante
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Hi ,


I copied jay's line for duplication until time exactly into my test script
but recovering errors out in the end.

I looked in the documentation for another example of the until time clause
but no luck. Can anybody explain why this won't work.
(the double single quotes to which it translates looks fishy to me, but so
does the whole RMAN thing at the moment)

If I remove the until time clause it works fine.

following is the screen output of my RMAN commands






ep3[/data/oracle8/BACKUP]$ cat rmanClone.sh
export ORACLE_SID=TEST3
sqlplus /nolog EOF
connect sys/rman_oracledba as sysdba
shutdown abort
startup nomount
exit
EOF
rm /data/oracle8/TEST3/*
rman EOF
connect target rman/rman_oracledba@test2
connect catalog rman/rman_oracledba@test1
connect auxiliary sys/rman_oracledba@test3
run {
set until time to_date('29012002094700','ddmmhh24miss');
allocate auxiliary channel d1 type disk;
allocate auxiliary channel d2 type disk;
duplicate target database to test3;
}
EOF
ep3[/data/oracle8/BACKUP]$ rmanClone.sh

SQL*Plus: Release 8.1.7.0.0 - Production on Tue Jan 29 11:03:27 2002

(c) Copyright 2000 Oracle Corporation.  All rights reserved.

SQL Connected.
SQL ORACLE instance shut down.
SQL ORACLE instance started.

Total System Global Area   74919828 bytes
Fixed Size73620 bytes
Variable Size  33808384 bytes
Database Buffers   4096 bytes
Redo Buffers  77824 bytes
SQL Disconnected from Oracle8i Enterprise Edition Release 8.1.7.2.0 -
Production
With the Partitioning option
JServer Release 8.1.7.2.0 - Production

Recovery Manager: Release 8.1.7.2.0 - Production

RMAN
RMAN-06005: connected to target database: TEST2 (DBID=536102344)

RMAN
RMAN-06008: connected to recovery catalog database

RMAN
RMAN-06020: connected to auxiliary database

RMAN 2 3 4 5 6
RMAN-03022: compiling command: set

RMAN-03022: compiling command: allocate
RMAN-03023: executing command: allocate
RMAN-08030: allocated channel: d1
RMAN-08500: channel d1: sid=11 devtype=DISK

RMAN-03022: compiling command: allocate
RMAN-03023: executing command: allocate
RMAN-08030: allocated channel: d2
RMAN-08500: channel d2: sid=12 devtype=DISK

RMAN-03022: compiling command: Duplicate Db

RMAN-03027: printing stored script: Memory Script
{
   set until scn  95275;
   set newname for datafile  1 to
 /data/oracle8/TEST3/systemTEST3.dbf;
   set newname for datafile  2 to
 /data/oracle8/TEST3/rbsTEST3.dbf;
   set newname for datafile  3 to
 /data/oracle8/TEST3/tempTEST3.dbf;
   set newname for datafile  4 to
 /data/oracle8/TEST3/dataTEST3.dbf;
   restore
   check readonly
   clone database
   ;
}
RMAN-03021: executing script: Memory Script

RMAN-03022: compiling command: set

RMAN-03022: compiling command: set

RMAN-03022: compiling command: set

RMAN-03022: compiling command: set

RMAN-03022: compiling command: set

RMAN-03022: compiling command: restore

RMAN-03022: compiling command: IRESTORE
RMAN-03023: executing command: IRESTORE
RMAN-08016: channel d1: starting datafile backupset restore
RMAN-08502: set_count=42 set_stamp=452362933 creation_time=28-JAN-02
RMAN-08089: channel d1: specifying datafile(s) to restore 

RE: OFF TOPIC: RE: PL/SQL

2002-01-29 Thread Seefelt, Beth


Roland,

Besides reading the manuals, take a look at www.lazydba.com.  They also
host an Oracle email list that might be a more appropriate forum for
your questions.  I think they have a higher ratio of new DBAs on their
list, and seldom mind answering the beginner questions.

HTH,

Beth

(was that so hard guys?)


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Hear hear ! You tell 'm, Kevin ! I'm with you all the way. 

Anybody can ask me a simple question when they are looking for a quick
answer, but you can't do a good job when you're always looking for quick
answers. You have to LEARN. There's a difference between learning and
constantly asking questions. 

Sorry, couldn't resist ...

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When I arrive in the morning to a mailbox containing 150+ messages from
this list, I'm almost certainly guaranteed that 10% of them will be
questions that can easily be found via otn or a manual. That 10% usually
comes from the same person!! No wonder I'm irritated!!!

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Geez... lay off already.  If you don't think the question is worthy of
your time, then don't answer it.  What a grouch.

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RRR   TTTFF
!!

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How can I in a pl/sql block write null if I want null to be inserted in
a field when I use dynamic sql.? . I mean nothing is going to be
inserted.




Thanks in advance


Roland

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Re: INFORMIX 7.3 to ORACLE 8.1.7

2002-01-29 Thread James Howerton

Sonja,

Start here: http://otn.oracle.com/tech/migration/workbench/content.html


...JIM...

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Hi!
We inherited one Informix database, which we must put into our
production
Oracle database (new schema). Both databases are on AIX UNIX machines.

We can do this by writing a scripts, but I'm wondering does any of you
have
some experiance in this, and could you suggest me some other (simpler)
way?
Perhaps some Conversion tools?

TIA,
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Re: RE: sqlplus question

2002-01-29 Thread Igor Neyman

 'dbms_output.put_job '?
What the heck was this about?

Please, check your answers before posting to the list!

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Well, you can check the manual but use the package dbms_output.put_job that
willfix it when you are inoracle but ifyoua re
in unix environment you must use crontab

Hope this is of help for you


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RE: OT : howto RTFM

2002-01-29 Thread Witold Iwaniec

And you shouldn't...

This is just a web trick - I mean it's not a Microsoft's site. You can 
see the same page, loaded even faster, if you remove: 
www.microsoft.comitem=q209354@
from the url. Just try:

http://hardware.no/nyheter/feb01/Q209354%20-%20HOWTO.htm

You can replace in the url www.microsoft.com with whatever 
company you want and get redirected to the same page, try 
www.oracle.com ... It will take you to the same page...


http://hardware.no is website of a company in Norway and they 
have this page. Getting the graphics, style, etc and make a page 
look like Microsoft's is a piece of cake. While it may be funny I 
guess it's a poor joke to make pages and present as someone 
else's...

Witold


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Re: Class does not exist error

2002-01-29 Thread bill thater

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Hi DBAs,

Oracle 8.1.6, NT server, JServer 8.1.6, Win 200 client

A list member sent me a pl/sql script for sending mail. It compiles ok when
I run it I get the following error

class oracle/plsql/net/TCPConnection does not exist

Any ideas on how to correct this? I do not know if I have to do something
on client side or server side

Thanks
Rick


Where do you think the stored procedure is executed? Your runtime
message comes from a dynamically loaded routine. If you find
TCPConnection.class it may be CLASSPATH or similar which is improperly
set on your server.

or it could not be installed on the database JVM.


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Re: INFORMIX 7.3 to ORACLE 8.1.7

2002-01-29 Thread orantdba

Hi Sonja,

I would recommend you look at the oracle migration workbench product.

John

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TIA,
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RE: Class does not exist error

2002-01-29 Thread Vadim Gorbounov

Hi, Rick
I'm not 100% sure, but it I think, the problem is Server/JServer
version. The script will be OK on 8.1.7.  8.1.7 JVM is very different
from 8.1.6
HTH
Vadim

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Hi DBAs,

Oracle 8.1.6, NT server, JServer 8.1.6, Win 200 client

A list member sent me a pl/sql script for sending mail. It compiles ok
when
I run it I get the following error

class oracle/plsql/net/TCPConnection does not exist

Any ideas on how to correct this? I do not know if I have to do
something
on client side or server side


Thanks
Rick


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RE: RE: sqlplus question

2002-01-29 Thread Weaver, Walt

I'm lost here...

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Well, you can check the manual but use the package dbms_output.put_job that
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RE: OFF TOPIC: RE: PL/SQL

2002-01-29 Thread Mohan, Ross

Kevin, I am sorry, but you didn't sound holier
than thou on that last post. Could you do it
a bit differently next time? ;-)

WWJD?  JWRTFM!

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Hey I've helped this guy heaps of times...taken the time out to explain what
I'm sending back to him and drop subtle hints about the references I use to
get those answers if I don't know myselfwhy should he be any
different???

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Roland,

Besides reading the manuals, take a look at www.lazydba.com.  They also
host an Oracle email list that might be a more appropriate forum for
your questions.  I think they have a higher ratio of new DBAs on their
list, and seldom mind answering the beginner questions.

HTH,

Beth

(was that so hard guys?)


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To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L


Hear hear ! You tell 'm, Kevin ! I'm with you all the way. 

Anybody can ask me a simple question when they are looking for a quick
answer, but you can't do a good job when you're always looking for quick
answers. You have to LEARN. There's a difference between learning and
constantly asking questions. 

Sorry, couldn't resist ...

-Oorspronkelijk bericht-
Van: Thomas, Kevin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Verzonden: dinsdag 29 januari 2002 9:00
Aan: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
Onderwerp: OFF TOPIC: RE: PL/SQL


When I arrive in the morning to a mailbox containing 150+ messages from
this list, I'm almost certainly guaranteed that 10% of them will be
questions that can easily be found via otn or a manual. That 10% usually
comes from the same person!! No wonder I'm irritated!!!

}:o|
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To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L



Geez... lay off already.  If you don't think the question is worthy of
your time, then don't answer it.  What a grouch.

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Sent: Monday, January 28, 2002 11:16 AM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L


RRR   TTTFF
!!

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To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L


How can I in a pl/sql block write null if I want null to be inserted in
a field when I use dynamic sql.? . I mean nothing is going to be
inserted.




Thanks in advance


Roland

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RE: INFORMIX 7.3 to ORACLE 8.1.7

2002-01-29 Thread

There is a tool from DataBee that is used to copy integrated data
from production to test (among other things).
Maybe you can use it to copy ALL the data from one DB to the other.
http://www.databee.com

Yechiel Adar, Mehish Computer Services
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 Hi!
 We inherited one Informix database, which we must put into our production
 Oracle database (new schema). Both databases are on AIX UNIX machines. 
 We can do this by writing a scripts, but I'm wondering does any of you
 have
 some experiance in this, and could you suggest me some other (simpler)
 way?
 Perhaps some Conversion tools?
 
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Re: OFF TOPIC: RE: PL/SQL

2002-01-29 Thread Igor Neyman

beginner should start with RTFM, trying it on test box, and only than, if
he still does not get it, post his question explaining his problems.

Beth, you must not have seen Roland's questions.

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Roland,

Besides reading the manuals, take a look at www.lazydba.com.  They also
host an Oracle email list that might be a more appropriate forum for
your questions.  I think they have a higher ratio of new DBAs on their
list, and seldom mind answering the beginner questions.

HTH,

Beth

(was that so hard guys?)


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To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L


Hear hear ! You tell 'm, Kevin ! I'm with you all the way.

Anybody can ask me a simple question when they are looking for a quick
answer, but you can't do a good job when you're always looking for quick
answers. You have to LEARN. There's a difference between learning and
constantly asking questions.

Sorry, couldn't resist ...

-Oorspronkelijk bericht-
Van: Thomas, Kevin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Verzonden: dinsdag 29 januari 2002 9:00
Aan: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
Onderwerp: OFF TOPIC: RE: PL/SQL


When I arrive in the morning to a mailbox containing 150+ messages from
this list, I'm almost certainly guaranteed that 10% of them will be
questions that can easily be found via otn or a manual. That 10% usually
comes from the same person!! No wonder I'm irritated!!!

}:o|
-Original Message-
Sent: 28 January 2002 17:35
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L



Geez... lay off already.  If you don't think the question is worthy of
your time, then don't answer it.  What a grouch.

-Original Message-
Sent: Monday, January 28, 2002 11:16 AM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L


RRR   TTTFF
!!

-Original Message-
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To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L


How can I in a pl/sql block write null if I want null to be inserted in
a field when I use dynamic sql.? . I mean nothing is going to be
inserted.




Thanks in advance


Roland

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Database Performance Question

2002-01-29 Thread SRAJENDRAN

Hello all:

We have an application that is having slow response time against an 8i
database, I would like to improve the response time.  This is a web based
application accessing the database with about 2000 users. Most of the
application queries are based on complex joins on 4 big tables with each
having over 5 million rows( biggest table has 18 million rows).  I have
tuned the Package queries for the best explain plan possible, but still do
not seem to make dramatic change in the response time.  Though, I was able
to make significant headway tuning these packages by bringing down response
times from 7 minutes to under 3 minutes. But this is not an acceptable
response time from a web-application perspective.  

I am considering creating data cubes based on the most frequently used join
conditions and pre-populate them on a nightly basis or use triggers to
update the cube simultaneously.  
I am hoping that this enhance the response times.

I would greatly appreciate your suggestions or opinions on this idea. If you
have an alternative/better way of achiving this please enlighten me.

Thank very much.
Srini Rajendran.

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Re: AW: auditing tables

2002-01-29 Thread Jared Still

On Tuesday 29 January 2002 03:00, Rachel Carmichael wrote:
 Update -- add two rows to the auditing table -- first with old values
 and type = O
 second with all the new values and type =N


Rachel,

I don't think you need two rows for updates.  The old values
will be in the audit table, the new ones are in the production
table.

At least that's the way I've always done it.

Is there some other reason for saving both in the audit table?

Jared

 --- Foelz.Frank [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  TNX for your answers.
 
  What I need is exactly what Oracle doesn't support. Logging who
  changed
  what in a
  special area of our database.
 
  I think triggering the events will be much more specific and more
  easy to
  change.
 
  In case all our applications use the same database and user, I am
  trying to
  check out
  what application is changing monitored tables (i.e.
  c:\app\userapp\app.exe
  is changing
  table1).
  What do you think of that ??
 
  greets
 
   Frank 
  
  
  Von: Rachel Carmichael [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
  
  what sort of information are you looking to audit?  if you want any
  sort of detail, you are better off with triggers and possibly an
 
  audit
 
  table.  Oracle doesn't record WHAT has been changed, just that the
  table was accessed. So you don't know the row etc...
  
  --- Foelz.Frank [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   Hi all,
  
   does anyone have experience in using Oracle's possibilities of
   auditing
   a database ??
  
   I am interested in performance questions i.e. is it a hughe loss
 
  of
 
   performance
   when auditing tables Inserts/Updates/Deletes. Should I use
 
  triggers
 
   instead
   ?
  
   any hints (comments, websites, etc...) are welcome.
  
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RE: OT : howto RTFM

2002-01-29 Thread Jamadagni, Rajendra

Nah  it is a URL trick  you need to discard everything between
HTTP:// and first @ sign. The browser does it too.

Raj
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Looks like good old MicroSlop got hacked, again!!

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RE: OFF TOPIC: RE: PL/SQL

2002-01-29 Thread Deshpande, Kirti

Voting him off the island... uh?  ;-) 

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Roland,

Besides reading the manuals, take a look at www.lazydba.com.  They also
host an Oracle email list that might be a more appropriate forum for
your questions.  I think they have a higher ratio of new DBAs on their
list, and seldom mind answering the beginner questions.

HTH,

Beth

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RE: Mail from PL/SQL without Java

2002-01-29 Thread Gogala, Mladen

One of the neat tricks how to that is described in Tom Kyte's book in 
the chapter about UTL_HTTP.

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Some of you may find this of interest:

http://www.total-knowledge.com/progs/ora_mail/

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RE: RE: sqlplus question

2002-01-29 Thread Mohan, Ross

Walt, don't worry. He's speaking WaReZ speak. You have to
follow the White Rabbit to get out. 

For further instructions, see Kimberly. She enjoys questions like these. 

-Original Message-

I'm lost here...

--Walt

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Well, you can check the manual but use the package dbms_output.put_job that
willfix it when you are inoracle but ifyoua re
in unix environment you must use crontab

Hope this is of help for you


Roland









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Re: AW: Oracle Books

2002-01-29 Thread Mogens Nørgaard



   Tom Kyte's Expert One-on-One Oracle or whatever it's called is the best
book written ever on Oracle. Reviewed by Jonathan Lewis and Steve Adams.
Jonathan says it's the best book on the market, including his own. Very useful
for developer types, too. As to specific Forms/Reports books I have no idea.
I'm not a developer, I'm a destroyer.

 Mogens

 Foelz.Frank wrote:

  Hi,I would suggest you should take a look at Osborne Oracle Press !!! They are very good !!www.osborne.comi.e. ISBN.: 0-07-212048-7 Oracle Developer Advanced Forms  Reportsvery powerful knowledge !!
  
Frank 



  Von: Gagandeep Singh [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Greetings All !!!Could anyone tell me which book is best for the oracle developer which is compatible with Oracle 8i.Regards,Gagandeep 
  
  
  
  
  
  


Default role all

2002-01-29 Thread Bill Becker

Hello,

Env: 8.1.6 on Solaris 2.7

Does anyone know which data dictionary table stores the setting
when you issue an ALTER USER user_name DEFAULT ROLE ALL COMMAND?

I know that dba_role_privs has a default_role (YES/NO) field, but
that is specific to each role. Is there another table that stores
a system-wide default role setting per user?

The reason I ask, without getting too complicated, is that we used to
assign new roles to users without specifying anything to do with default
roles, and the newly-assigned role automatically became a default role.
Recently, this has changed due to using both toad and sqlplus to
administer roles, and I am wondering if there is another table where
the system-wide default setting for roles is stored. If not, is there
any way to assign new roles as default roles without having to specify
alter user user_name default role all every time a new role is granted
(or worse, an explicit list of roles)?

Thanks to any responders.
Bill Becker
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RE: RTFM questions (formally RE: PL/SQL)

2002-01-29 Thread JoJo Al-Zawawi
Title: RTFM questions (formally RE: PL/SQL)



No offense to 
anybody, butI think this is rather arrogant. The list is for anybody 
(unless the list owner decides it's just for experienced dba's). I am brand new 
to Oracle, having just started learning it this week. I can easily foresee 
having what some might consider stupid orRTFM questions, and being 
possibly unable to find the answer or having problems deciphering the 
manual. I myself am somewhat of a Word pro (and my vba code samples page 
is the #1 ranked site of its kind on most major search engines) and I help all 
kinds of newbies out on a Word list of which I am a member, as do all the other 
members of the list. Everybody on that list is extremely gracious and 
nobody complains -- and the people with questions get the help they need, with 
nobody sitting back going "boy are you stupid / lazy". I am hoping that I 
can get the same kind of help here, when I am ready for it, that I and others 
give on other lists.

--JoJo


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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Craig MundaySent: 
Monday, January 28, 2002 10:20 PMTo: Multiple recipients of list 
ORACLE-LSubject: RTFM questions (formally RE: 
PL/SQL)
The problem is that if you always ask the group for help, you 
never learn where the information is within the manuals or other reference 
documentation and the group also gets cluttered with trivia.
I agree with you that the list is here to help people and I 
personally do not mind the odd naive question from a new DBA, but it is the 
"...can't be bothered to look up the manual.." attitude that is most 
frustrating. When you ask the format of a command (for example) to the 
list, you are potentionally asking 1000's of people the same question who will 
all have to spend the time to filter these questions - we are all busy people 
and I personally do not want to use my time in this way. I'm sure you can 
see that this is a much more expensive option than asking the person next to 
you.
 Cheers, Craig. 
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fellow DBA'S. Have you never said to one of your 
collegues , what is the format of this command, or how 
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it up in the manual (either your busy or just down right lazy): Sometimes this list is useful for just that. So why dont u lighten up 
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RE: OT : howto RTFM

2002-01-29 Thread Odell, Charles [Contractor]

Ross Mohan tried to pull this one on us before.

C'mon Ross 'fess up.

Is this your handywork?

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Looks like good old MicroSlop got hacked, again!!

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RE: AW: auditing tables

2002-01-29 Thread Jamadagni, Rajendra

Jared,

I just put the old values in the audit table with an additional column which
tells exactly which columns are changed. Ah the wonders of dynamic sql ...

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Rachel,

I don't think you need two rows for updates.  The old values will be in the
audit table, the new ones are in the production table. At least that's the
way I've always done it. Is there some other reason for saving both in the
audit table?

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Re: AW: auditing tables

2002-01-29 Thread Igor Neyman

 Is there some other reason for saving both in the audit table?

Jared,

You must be right.
But, if for some 'crazy' reason  primary key of the record gets modified,
then you need both old and new in audit table.

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 On Tuesday 29 January 2002 03:00, Rachel Carmichael wrote:
  Update -- add two rows to the auditing table -- first with old values
  and type = O
  second with all the new values and type =N
 

 Rachel,

 I don't think you need two rows for updates.  The old values
 will be in the audit table, the new ones are in the production
 table.

 At least that's the way I've always done it.

 Is there some other reason for saving both in the audit table?

 Jared

  --- Foelz.Frank [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   TNX for your answers.
  
   What I need is exactly what Oracle doesn't support. Logging who
   changed
   what in a
   special area of our database.
  
   I think triggering the events will be much more specific and more
   easy to
   change.
  
   In case all our applications use the same database and user, I am
   trying to
   check out
   what application is changing monitored tables (i.e.
   c:\app\userapp\app.exe
   is changing
   table1).
   What do you think of that ??
  
   greets
  
Frank 
   
   
   Von: Rachel Carmichael [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
   
   what sort of information are you looking to audit?  if you want any
   sort of detail, you are better off with triggers and possibly an
  
   audit
  
   table.  Oracle doesn't record WHAT has been changed, just that the
   table was accessed. So you don't know the row etc...
   
   --- Foelz.Frank [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi all,
   
does anyone have experience in using Oracle's possibilities of
auditing
a database ??
   
I am interested in performance questions i.e. is it a hughe loss
  
   of
  
performance
when auditing tables Inserts/Updates/Deletes. Should I use
  
   triggers
  
instead
?
   
any hints (comments, websites, etc...) are welcome.
   
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RE: OFF TOPIC: RE: PL/SQL

2002-01-29 Thread Thomas, Kevin

LOL...where's me soapbox!! I'm having a bad week, and hot-dang if everyone
else ain't gonna suffer to!! ;o)

TFIC!

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Kevin, I am sorry, but you didn't sound holier
than thou on that last post. Could you do it
a bit differently next time? ;-)

WWJD?  JWRTFM!

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Hey I've helped this guy heaps of times...taken the time out to explain what
I'm sending back to him and drop subtle hints about the references I use to
get those answers if I don't know myselfwhy should he be any
different???

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Roland,

Besides reading the manuals, take a look at www.lazydba.com.  They also
host an Oracle email list that might be a more appropriate forum for
your questions.  I think they have a higher ratio of new DBAs on their
list, and seldom mind answering the beginner questions.

HTH,

Beth

(was that so hard guys?)


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Hear hear ! You tell 'm, Kevin ! I'm with you all the way. 

Anybody can ask me a simple question when they are looking for a quick
answer, but you can't do a good job when you're always looking for quick
answers. You have to LEARN. There's a difference between learning and
constantly asking questions. 

Sorry, couldn't resist ...

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When I arrive in the morning to a mailbox containing 150+ messages from
this list, I'm almost certainly guaranteed that 10% of them will be
questions that can easily be found via otn or a manual. That 10% usually
comes from the same person!! No wonder I'm irritated!!!

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Geez... lay off already.  If you don't think the question is worthy of
your time, then don't answer it.  What a grouch.

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RRR   TTTFF
!!

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How can I in a pl/sql block write null if I want null to be inserted in
a field when I use dynamic sql.? . I mean nothing is going to be
inserted.




Thanks in advance


Roland

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RE: Database Performance Question

2002-01-29 Thread Deshpande, Kirti

You have done very nicely so far in tuning those joins... but... 
More questions to you :
1. Why do you think this is still a database problem? 
2. Will partitioning those larger tables help the queries? 
3. What have you checked to make sure that the bottleneck is not the
web-server?
4. Are these connections persistent or the app connects/disconnects when
accessing the database? 

Looking for answers to these questions may help you locate other
opportunities to improve upon.. 

- Kirti 



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Hello all:

We have an application that is having slow response time against an 8i
database, I would like to improve the response time.  This is a web based
application accessing the database with about 2000 users. Most of the
application queries are based on complex joins on 4 big tables with each
having over 5 million rows( biggest table has 18 million rows).  I have
tuned the Package queries for the best explain plan possible, but still do
not seem to make dramatic change in the response time.  Though, I was able
to make significant headway tuning these packages by bringing down response
times from 7 minutes to under 3 minutes. But this is not an acceptable
response time from a web-application perspective.  

I am considering creating data cubes based on the most frequently used join
conditions and pre-populate them on a nightly basis or use triggers to
update the cube simultaneously.  
I am hoping that this enhance the response times.

I would greatly appreciate your suggestions or opinions on this idea. If you
have an alternative/better way of achiving this please enlighten me.

Thank very much.
Srini Rajendran.

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RE:Hot backup and TEMP tablespace

2002-01-29 Thread Dave Morgan

ALWAYS BACKUP THE ROLLBACK TABLESPACE!

or you will not be able to recover. How else will Oracle
rollback a transaction in the works when the database went
down.

I do not back up TEMP or my INDEX tables spaces. I have
scripts that recreate all of these. (150GB of indices, not
worth the tape.) And while I use RMAN for backups I do 
all my recoveries from the our scripted hot backups. I also
practise recoveries every 6 months. 

RMAN backups fine, it's recoveries it has trouble with :)
Why?

There is limited flexibility with RMAN along with an added dependency.
As most know I loathe unecessary dependencies.

An Example:
power surge blows out Machine and hub/router power supply.

Machine automagicaly fails over to alternate power, however, 
the hub/router needs servicing. Your RMAN catalog is on the other
side of the hub/router.  What are you going to do now?


And yes, as I keep saying, I am paranoid.

Dave



Tom wrote:
 steps just to save yourself some time during backups?  Why stop at backing
 up the TEMP tablespace - why not the ROLLBACK tablespace - this could be
 dropped and re-created also.  Why not INDEX tablespaces - heck, if you have
 the scripts, these could be re-created too!

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NetSaint

2002-01-29 Thread Vergara, Michael (TEM)

Has anybody heard of/used/liked/hated NetSaint?  One of our
UNIX administrators is pushing this as a cheap alternative to
CA UniCenter, and he wants to start using it to monitor systems
and databases.

Please let me know your opinions, thoughts, and locations of any
resources you are aware of.

Thanx,
Mike

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Re: Lookup Table Usage

2002-01-29 Thread Mogens Nørgaard



   Thanks, Connor. Oh, did I enjoy the Master Class this past week. A couple 
of situations:

 14 people, including Millsap, Steve Adams, Jonathan Lewis, James Morle and 
what have you sitting around my oak table one evening when dinner is served.
Most of the guys simply closed their laptops, placed the plates on top of
the laptop, ate dinner while continuing to discuss important Oracle matters,
then removed the plates, thanked for the dinner, re-opened the laptops and
continued typing.

 Or one morning when Steve Adams and I are discussing South African the in 
my kitchen. Jonathan comes down the stairs with a towel around his neck. Doesn't
say good morning. Doesn't say hello. Does say: "Did you know, that when you
join 256 simple tables, the parse time with the RBO is 44 minutes and 22
seconds?". Steve replied: Good morning, Jonathan. Jonathan looked at us (very
sleepy look), then said Good Morning and went to the showers.

 Or the look on the hotdog stand owner's face when we pulled up beside his 
hotdog stand at 2330 hours in a huge bus and people just kept coming out of
the bus and ordering hotdogs. We had been there every night (Anjo insists)
in growing numbers. I had promised to call ahead and tell him how many we
would be on this special night. Well, I forgot. Bjarnes Polser, as it's called,
will never be the same again. 

 It was a fun week. You should have been there, Connor ;-).

 Mogens

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RE: INFORMIX 7.3 to ORACLE 8.1.7

2002-01-29 Thread Gogala, Mladen

Look  here:
http://technet.oracle.com/tech/migration/toolkits/content.html

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Hi!
We inherited one Informix database, which we must put into our production
Oracle database (new schema). Both databases are on AIX UNIX machines. 
We can do this by writing a scripts, but I'm wondering does any of you have
some experiance in this, and could you suggest me some other (simpler) way?
Perhaps some Conversion tools?

TIA,
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RE: OFF TOPIC: RE: PL/SQL

2002-01-29 Thread Deshpande, Kirti

Has anyone read 'Oracle8i for Dummies' ?? 
I have checked it out from our local public library 
It's not a bad read, I am still in chapter 1, though.. learning some new 
interesting analogies to this techie stuff.. 

- Kirti 

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beginner should start with RTFM, trying it on test box, and only than, if
he still does not get it, post his question explaining his problems.

Beth, you must not have seen Roland's questions.

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Roland,

Besides reading the manuals, take a look at www.lazydba.com.  They also
host an Oracle email list that might be a more appropriate forum for
your questions.  I think they have a higher ratio of new DBAs on their
list, and seldom mind answering the beginner questions.

HTH,

Beth

(was that so hard guys?)


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Hear hear ! You tell 'm, Kevin ! I'm with you all the way.

Anybody can ask me a simple question when they are looking for a quick
answer, but you can't do a good job when you're always looking for quick
answers. You have to LEARN. There's a difference between learning and
constantly asking questions.

Sorry, couldn't resist ...

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Onderwerp: OFF TOPIC: RE: PL/SQL


When I arrive in the morning to a mailbox containing 150+ messages from
this list, I'm almost certainly guaranteed that 10% of them will be
questions that can easily be found via otn or a manual. That 10% usually
comes from the same person!! No wonder I'm irritated!!!

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Geez... lay off already.  If you don't think the question is worthy of
your time, then don't answer it.  What a grouch.

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RRR   TTTFF
!!

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How can I in a pl/sql block write null if I want null to be inserted in
a field when I use dynamic sql.? . I mean nothing is going to be
inserted.




Thanks in advance


Roland

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Re: CHECKPOINT?

2002-01-29 Thread Mogens Nørgaard

  Log file sync is another name for commit. So have fewer commits or 
make them faster is the extremely short answer. But these values are 
taking out of context - if the time_waited for log file sync is small 
compared to the total response time, then who cares? :).

Mogens

Seema Singh wrote:


 Hi
 I checked the following events
 Name  total_waits   time_waited
 log file switch completion   181188
 log file sync 99909  667388

 This value is increasing.I checked following stats and found ok.
 background checkpoints Completed   15
 background checkpoints started 16
 Oracle suggest if above wait events is repeated frequently with 
 considerable values then we need to atke a action like adding more 
 redo log files or increasing their sizes or modifying checkpointing 
 parameters.
 Thanks
 -Dinesh




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Re: OFF TOPIC: RE: PL/SQL

2002-01-29 Thread Igor Neyman

Kirti,

Too much time on your hands?

Does the one, who gets through it's last chapter, get 'Oracle Dummy DBA'
sign?

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 Has anyone read 'Oracle8i for Dummies' ??
 I have checked it out from our local public library
 It's not a bad read, I am still in chapter 1, though.. learning some new 
 interesting analogies to this techie stuff..

 - Kirti

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 beginner should start with RTFM, trying it on test box, and only than,
if
 he still does not get it, post his question explaining his problems.

 Beth, you must not have seen Roland's questions.

 Igor Neyman, OCP DBA
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 Roland,

 Besides reading the manuals, take a look at www.lazydba.com.  They also
 host an Oracle email list that might be a more appropriate forum for
 your questions.  I think they have a higher ratio of new DBAs on their
 list, and seldom mind answering the beginner questions.

 HTH,

 Beth

 (was that so hard guys?)


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 Hear hear ! You tell 'm, Kevin ! I'm with you all the way.

 Anybody can ask me a simple question when they are looking for a quick
 answer, but you can't do a good job when you're always looking for quick
 answers. You have to LEARN. There's a difference between learning and
 constantly asking questions.

 Sorry, couldn't resist ...

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 Onderwerp: OFF TOPIC: RE: PL/SQL


 When I arrive in the morning to a mailbox containing 150+ messages from
 this list, I'm almost certainly guaranteed that 10% of them will be
 questions that can easily be found via otn or a manual. That 10% usually
 comes from the same person!! No wonder I'm irritated!!!

 }:o|
 -Original Message-
 Sent: 28 January 2002 17:35
 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L



 Geez... lay off already.  If you don't think the question is worthy of
 your time, then don't answer it.  What a grouch.

 -Original Message-
 Sent: Monday, January 28, 2002 11:16 AM
 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L


 RRR   TTTFF
 !!

 -Original Message-
 Sent: 28 January 2002 15:46
 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L


 How can I in a pl/sql block write null if I want null to be inserted in
 a field when I use dynamic sql.? . I mean nothing is going to be
 inserted.




 Thanks in advance


 Roland

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RE: RTFM questions (formally RE: PL/SQL)

2002-01-29 Thread Johnston, Tim
Title: RTFM questions (formally RE: PL/SQL)



JoJo...

 
You're missing the point... Most people have no issue with helping another 
list member... But, some members abuse this help and consistent ask 
questions that could be found in the manual without even attempting to find 
it... The list member in question has consistently asked questions of this 
nature for the last few MONTHS... Many times other list 
members have given the answer and then pointed at the manual where the 
information is found... Instead of looking at the manual before asking the 
next question,the abuserwill immediately ask another question... And 
so on... And so on... And so on... After awhile, this gets 
frustrating... Personally, I do not reply to this list member due to his 
behavior... And I won'tuntil he starts saying things like... 
"I looked in this manual and read this part but I don't understand it" or 
"What manual should I look in to get this answer"... I guess what I am 
trying to say is that there is a history establishedwith a list member 
such as this that you are probably not aware of... People are frustrated 
and it is showing...

Tim

  -Original Message-From: JoJo Al-Zawawi 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2002 10:41 
  AMTo: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-LSubject: RE: 
  RTFM questions (formally RE: PL/SQL)
  No offense to 
  anybody, butI think this is rather arrogant. The list is for 
  anybody (unless the list owner decides it's just for experienced dba's). I am 
  brand new to Oracle, having just started learning it this week. I can 
  easily foresee having what some might consider stupid orRTFM questions, 
  and being possibly unable to find the answer or having problems deciphering 
  the manual. I myself am somewhat of a Word pro (and my vba code samples 
  page is the #1 ranked site of its kind on most major search engines) and I 
  help all kinds of newbies out on a Word list of which I am a member, as do all 
  the other members of the list. Everybody on that list is extremely 
  gracious and nobody complains -- and the people with questions get the help 
  they need, with nobody sitting back going "boy are you stupid / lazy". I 
  am hoping that I can get the same kind of help here, when I am ready for it, 
  that I and others give on other lists.
  
  --JoJo
  
  
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  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Craig MundaySent: 
  Monday, January 28, 2002 10:20 PMTo: Multiple recipients of list 
  ORACLE-LSubject: RTFM questions (formally RE: 
  PL/SQL)
  The problem is that if you always ask the group for help, you 
  never learn where the information is within the manuals or other reference 
  documentation and the group also gets cluttered with trivia.
  I agree with you that the list is here to help people and I 
  personally do not mind the odd naive question from a new DBA, but it is the 
  "...can't be bothered to look up the manual.." attitude that is most 
  frustrating. When you ask the format of a command (for example) to the 
  list, you are potentionally asking 1000's of people the same question who will 
  all have to spend the time to filter these questions - we are all busy people 
  and I personally do not want to use my time in this way. I'm sure you 
  can see that this is a much more expensive option than asking the person next 
  to you.
   Cheers, Craig. 
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  Why do you bother being on this List: The list is here to help 
  fellow DBA'S. Have you never said to one of your 
  collegues , what is the format of this command, or how 
  can I do that, when you simply cant be bothered to look it up in the manual (either your busy or just down right 
  lazy): Sometimes this list is useful for just that. So 
  why dont u lighten up dude. 
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RE: RTFM questions (formally RE: PL/SQL)

2002-01-29 Thread Thomas, Kevin

Seriously though...
 
You would of course get as much help as the next person here and I don't
think it's out of place for me to say that newbies are always welcome! But
it starts to get ridiculous when a poster continually posts questions that
can be found on websites similar to your own without having to a) bother
writing an email and b) waiting on a reply. The number of posts that can
come from one person and be classed as just newbie questions, is finite,
after a period of time, that individual can no longer be classed as a
newbie! PLUS the fact that we more or less write the goddam applications for
these people, why don't they just hire us!!!???
 
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No offense to anybody, but I think this is rather arrogant.  The list is for
anybody (unless the list owner decides it's just for experienced dba's). I
am brand new to Oracle, having just started learning it this week.  I can
easily foresee having what some might consider stupid or RTFM questions, and
being possibly unable to find the answer or having problems deciphering the
manual.  I myself am somewhat of a Word pro (and my vba code samples page is
the #1 ranked site of its kind on most major search engines) and I help all
kinds of newbies out on a Word list of which I am a member, as do all the
other members of the list.  Everybody on that list is extremely gracious and
nobody complains -- and the people with questions get the help they need,
with nobody sitting back going boy are you stupid / lazy.  I am hoping
that I can get the same kind of help here, when I am ready for it, that I
and others give on other lists.
 
--JoJo
 
 
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Sent: Monday, January 28, 2002 10:20 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L



The problem is that if you always ask the group for help, you never learn
where the information is within the manuals or other reference documentation
and the group also gets cluttered with trivia.

I agree with you that the list is here to help people and I personally do
not mind the odd naive question from a new DBA, but it is the ...can't be
bothered to look up the manual.. attitude that is most frustrating.  When
you ask the format of a command (for example) to the list, you are
potentionally asking 1000's of people the same question who will all have to
spend the time to filter these questions - we are all busy people and I
personally do not want to use my time in this way.  I'm sure you can see
that this is a much more expensive option than asking the person next to
you.

   
Cheers, 
Craig. 



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Why do you bother being on this List: The list is here to help fellow 
DBA'S. Have you never said to one of your collegues , what is the format of 
this command, or how can I do that, when you simply cant be bothered to 
look it up in the manual (either your busy or just down right lazy): 
Sometimes this list is useful for just that. So why dont u lighten up dude. 


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Re: export the schema exclude two tables?

2002-01-29 Thread Mogens Nørgaard

  Well.

I've done it several times, ie modify the exutab or exu7tab or whatever 
view to do something special like exporting all tables except ... or 
export of a tablespace (!), etc. As long as you modify the export views, 
run the modified catexp, do the export, then re-run the original catexp 
you're fine. It's just a bunch of views used by the database. Nothing 
dangerous in that - except, of course, if you specify something wrong 
and doesn't export the data you want. Just remember to go back to the 
real and correct definitions of the views after your special export.

Mogens

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Raj,

You are obviously one dangerous dude.

We're watching you.  :)

Newbies:  He didn't mean it.  Don't try this stuff on your databases!

JARed





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Could we do it in 7.3, 8.0? ;-) Open the catexp.sql and modify some table
creation scripts, possibly some exutab tables to say obj$.name != Table1,
Table2.

Hic !! Nooo. I did not say that ;-)

What I say is, include all the tablenames e
xcept the two that you do not
need in your parfile.

Regards
Raj





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RE: RE: sqlplus question

2002-01-29 Thread Mohan, Ross

AFAIK, Kimberly does everything. (Except move to Dallas)

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Kewl! That means I get to start taking drugs again.

I am a happy boy. I'll whiz over to the OT list and give Kimberly a ring.
Does she like to climb mountains?

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Walt, don't worry. He's speaking WaReZ speak. You have to
follow the White Rabbit to get out. 

For further instructions, see Kimberly. She enjoys questions like these. 

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I'm lost here...

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Well, you can check the manual but use the package dbms_output.put_job that
willfix it when you are inoracle but ifyoua re
in unix environment you must use crontab

Hope this is of help for you


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Re: sqlplus question

2002-01-29 Thread Igor Neyman

So true!

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   'dbms_output.put_job '?
  What the heck was this about?
  
  Please, check your answers before posting to the list!
  
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Function In Select Statment

2002-01-29 Thread Hamid Alavi

Hi List,
One of our developer using function in his select statment but the problem
is when he is using order by one of the function results column the query is
very slow, Is there any way to use hint for function or some thing to make
quesry faster.
Thanks in advance



Hamid Alavi
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RE: RTFM questions (formally RE: PL/SQL)

2002-01-29 Thread Robertson Lee - lerobe
Title: RTFM questions (formally RE: PL/SQL)



yep, 
but a lot of us I am sure do not have time to answer these types of questions 
whilst holding down a full time job.

I 
think this has gone a bit far anyway and I am sure Roland has been suitably 
chastised and even said himself that he went out and found the answer to his 
problem.

Nothing wrong with helping new guys but there must be a limit to how much 
help you can expect without doing any work or research 
yourself.

Lee

  
  -Original 
  Message-From: JoJo Al-Zawawi 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: 29 January 2002 
  15:41To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-LSubject: 
  RE: RTFM questions (formally RE: PL/SQL)
  No offense to 
  anybody, butI think this is rather arrogant. The list is for 
  anybody (unless the list owner decides it's just for experienced dba's). I am 
  brand new to Oracle, having just started learning it this week. I can 
  easily foresee having what some might consider stupid orRTFM questions, 
  and being possibly unable to find the answer or having problems deciphering 
  the manual. I myself am somewhat of a Word pro (and my vba code samples 
  page is the #1 ranked site of its kind on most major search engines) and I 
  help all kinds of newbies out on a Word list of which I am a member, as do all 
  the other members of the list. Everybody on that list is extremely 
  gracious and nobody complains -- and the people with questions get the help 
  they need, with nobody sitting back going "boy are you stupid / lazy". I 
  am hoping that I can get the same kind of help here, when I am ready for it, 
  that I and others give on other lists.
  
  --JoJo
  
  
  -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Craig MundaySent: 
  Monday, January 28, 2002 10:20 PMTo: Multiple recipients of list 
  ORACLE-LSubject: RTFM questions (formally RE: 
  PL/SQL)
  The problem is that if you always ask the group for help, you 
  never learn where the information is within the manuals or other reference 
  documentation and the group also gets cluttered with trivia.
  I agree with you that the list is here to help people and I 
  personally do not mind the odd naive question from a new DBA, but it is the 
  "...can't be bothered to look up the manual.." attitude that is most 
  frustrating. When you ask the format of a command (for example) to the 
  list, you are potentionally asking 1000's of people the same question who will 
  all have to spend the time to filter these questions - we are all busy people 
  and I personally do not want to use my time in this way. I'm sure you 
  can see that this is a much more expensive option than asking the person next 
  to you.
   Cheers, Craig. 
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  fellow DBA'S. Have you never said to one of your 
  collegues , what is the format of this command, or how 
  can I do that, when you simply cant be bothered to look it up in the manual (either your busy or just down right 
  lazy): Sometimes this list is useful for just that. So 
  why dont u lighten up dude. 
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RE: RTFM questions (formally RE: PL/SQL)

2002-01-29 Thread Thomas, Kevin

And your point caller??
 
TIC ;o)

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To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L


No offense to anybody, but I think this is rather arrogant.  The list is for
anybody (unless the list owner decides it's just for experienced dba's). I
am brand new to Oracle, having just started learning it this week.  I can
easily foresee having what some might consider stupid or RTFM questions, and
being possibly unable to find the answer or having problems deciphering the
manual.  I myself am somewhat of a Word pro (and my vba code samples page is
the #1 ranked site of its kind on most major search engines) and I help all
kinds of newbies out on a Word list of which I am a member, as do all the
other members of the list.  Everybody on that list is extremely gracious and
nobody complains -- and the people with questions get the help they need,
with nobody sitting back going boy are you stupid / lazy.  I am hoping
that I can get the same kind of help here, when I am ready for it, that I
and others give on other lists.
 
--JoJo
 
 
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Sent: Monday, January 28, 2002 10:20 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L



The problem is that if you always ask the group for help, you never learn
where the information is within the manuals or other reference documentation
and the group also gets cluttered with trivia.

I agree with you that the list is here to help people and I personally do
not mind the odd naive question from a new DBA, but it is the ...can't be
bothered to look up the manual.. attitude that is most frustrating.  When
you ask the format of a command (for example) to the list, you are
potentionally asking 1000's of people the same question who will all have to
spend the time to filter these questions - we are all busy people and I
personally do not want to use my time in this way.  I'm sure you can see
that this is a much more expensive option than asking the person next to
you.

   
Cheers, 
Craig. 



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Why do you bother being on this List: The list is here to help fellow 
DBA'S. Have you never said to one of your collegues , what is the format of 
this command, or how can I do that, when you simply cant be bothered to 
look it up in the manual (either your busy or just down right lazy): 
Sometimes this list is useful for just that. So why dont u lighten up dude. 


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RE: RE: sqlplus question

2002-01-29 Thread Weaver, Walt

Kewl! That means I get to start taking drugs again.

I am a happy boy. I'll whiz over to the OT list and give Kimberly a ring.
Does she like to climb mountains?

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Walt, don't worry. He's speaking WaReZ speak. You have to
follow the White Rabbit to get out. 

For further instructions, see Kimberly. She enjoys questions like these. 

-Original Message-

I'm lost here...

--Walt

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Well, you can check the manual but use the package dbms_output.put_job that
willfix it when you are inoracle but ifyoua re
in unix environment you must use crontab

Hope this is of help for you


Roland









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Re: Function In Select Statment

2002-01-29 Thread Ron Rogers

Hamid,
 Why not create a function based index on the column that is being and
the data returned will be faster. I do not know if it will help the sort
for the order by but the data returned will be available faster. What
does your sort area look like? Is it to small to handle the sort and
paging out to disk?
ROR mª¿ªm

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Hi List,
One of our developer using function in his select statment but the
problem
is when he is using order by one of the function results column the
query is
very slow, Is there any way to use hint for function or some thing to
make
quesry faster.
Thanks in advance



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Re: RTFM questions (formally RE: PL/SQL)

2002-01-29 Thread Igor Neyman
Title: RTFM questions (formally RE: PL/SQL)



JoJo,

There is a difference between 'unable to find the answer' and 
'not willing to find the answer through RTFM'.

BTW, I didn't see any 'stupid or RTFM' kind of questions from 
you (unlike this other person).

Igor Neyman, OCP DBA[EMAIL PROTECTED] 


  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  JoJo 
  Al-Zawawi 
  To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L 
  
  Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2002 10:40 
  AM
  Subject: RE: RTFM questions (formally RE: 
  PL/SQL)
  
  No offense to 
  anybody, butI think this is rather arrogant. The list is for 
  anybody (unless the list owner decides it's just for experienced dba's). I am 
  brand new to Oracle, having just started learning it this week. I can 
  easily foresee having what some might consider stupid orRTFM questions, 
  and being possibly unable to find the answer or having problems deciphering 
  the manual. I myself am somewhat of a Word pro (and my vba code samples 
  page is the #1 ranked site of its kind on most major search engines) and I 
  help all kinds of newbies out on a Word list of which I am a member, as do all 
  the other members of the list. Everybody on that list is extremely 
  gracious and nobody complains -- and the people with questions get the help 
  they need, with nobody sitting back going "boy are you stupid / lazy". I 
  am hoping that I can get the same kind of help here, when I am ready for it, 
  that I and others give on other lists.
  
  --JoJo
  
  
  -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Craig MundaySent: 
  Monday, January 28, 2002 10:20 PMTo: Multiple recipients of list 
  ORACLE-LSubject: RTFM questions (formally RE: 
  PL/SQL)
  The problem is that if you always ask the group for help, you 
  never learn where the information is within the manuals or other reference 
  documentation and the group also gets cluttered with trivia.
  I agree with you that the list is here to help people and I 
  personally do not mind the odd naive question from a new DBA, but it is the 
  "...can't be bothered to look up the manual.." attitude that is most 
  frustrating. When you ask the format of a command (for example) to the 
  list, you are potentionally asking 1000's of people the same question who will 
  all have to spend the time to filter these questions - we are all busy people 
  and I personally do not want to use my time in this way. I'm sure you 
  can see that this is a much more expensive option than asking the person next 
  to you.
   Cheers, Craig. 
  -Original Message- From: 
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  fellow DBA'S. Have you never said to one of your 
  collegues , what is the format of this command, or how 
  can I do that, when you simply cant be bothered to look it up in the manual (either your busy or just down right 
  lazy): Sometimes this list is useful for just that. So 
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RE: Public Privileges on system tables?

2002-01-29 Thread Johnston, Tim

Hi Ron...

I found some info in the reference guide...

PSTUBTBL 
This table contains information on stubs generated by the PSTUB utility so
that an Oracle Forms 3.0 client can call stored procedures in an Oracle
database. 



Note: 
The contents of this table are intended only for use by the PSTUB utility.  



I only found a couple references to user_privs...  Looks like it was
eliminated...  I found it mentioned on a couple web pages...  I also found
out that there appears to be a view named user_privs created by older
pupbld.sql...  It was based on the user_profile table...

HTH
Tim 


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Hello Ron

I checked our 7.3.4 DB (on NT) and did not find these tables.
I think that they may belong to a product that use these tables and 
so everyone who uses this product need them.

Yechiel Adar, Mehish Computer Services
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 I have two tables, sys.pstubtbl and sys.user_privs that have grants to
 public for insert, update, and delete.  Our auditors are wondering why.
 I don't really want to remove the privs without knowing why.  This is an
 old
 7.3.4 instance.  Any ideas?
  
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RE: Database Performance Question

2002-01-29 Thread Godlewski, Melissa
Title: RE: Database Performance Question





Partitions, Materialized views, bit map indexes.


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Hello all:


We have an application that is having slow response time against an 8i
database, I would like to improve the response time. This is a web based
application accessing the database with about 2000 users. Most of the
application queries are based on complex joins on 4 big tables with each
having over 5 million rows( biggest table has 18 million rows). I have
tuned the Package queries for the best explain plan possible, but still do
not seem to make dramatic change in the response time. Though, I was able
to make significant headway tuning these packages by bringing down response
times from 7 minutes to under 3 minutes. But this is not an acceptable
response time from a web-application perspective. 


I am considering creating data cubes based on the most frequently used join
conditions and pre-populate them on a nightly basis or use triggers to
update the cube simultaneously. 
I am hoping that this enhance the response times.


I would greatly appreciate your suggestions or opinions on this idea. If you
have an alternative/better way of achiving this please enlighten me.


Thank very much.
Srini Rajendran.


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RE: NetSaint

2002-01-29 Thread Weaver, Walt

We're using NetSaint here. Does the job for us, and it's a bit cheaper than
CA Unicenter...

--Walt Weaver
  Bozeman, Montana

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Has anybody heard of/used/liked/hated NetSaint?  One of our
UNIX administrators is pushing this as a cheap alternative to
CA UniCenter, and he wants to start using it to monitor systems
and databases.

Please let me know your opinions, thoughts, and locations of any
resources you are aware of.

Thanx,
Mike

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Oracle process causes High CPU

2002-01-29 Thread Nguyen, David M

We have problem with oracle process ora_snp0 that causes high CPU and core
files on our system.  Does someone have idea how to fix it?  Please help.

Below is information captured from a trace file:

Dump file /export/home/oracle/product/8.0.5/rdbms/log/ssdb_snp0_16657.trc
Oracle8 Enterprise Edition Release 8.0.5.2.1 - Production
PL/SQL Release 8.0.5.2.0 - Production
ORACLE_HOME = /export/home/oracle/product/8.0.5
System name:SunOS
Node name:  pbna1
Release:5.6
Version:Generic_105181-26
Machine:sun4u
Instance name: SSDB
Redo thread mounted by this instance: 1
Oracle process number: 8
Unix process pid: 16657, image: ora_snp0_SSDB

*** 2002.01.29.03.13.33.000
*** SESSION ID:(7.11) 2002.01.29.03.13.32.000
Exception signal: 11 (SIGSEGV), code: 1 (Address not mapped to object),
addr: 0x
5f4c6000
Exception signal: 11 (SIGSEGV), code: 1 (Address not mapped to object),
addr: 0x
7f6c7d78
Exception signal: 11 (SIGSEGV), code: 1 (Address not mapped to object),
addr: 0x
7f6c7d78Background_Core_Dump = FULL


Thanks,
David
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Install problem solved

2002-01-29 Thread DENNIS WILLIAMS

Last week I posted the note below about installation problems we were
experiencing. The Oracle installer just failed with no message. We have
solved to problem and thought I would share the solution with the list. 
The installer was looking at a file
'/usr/var/opt/oracle/orainst.loc', deciding that it didn't need to upgrade
an existing database, and halting/failing. That is our interpretation
anyway. Deleting this file caused the installer to run successfully. On the
Compaq Tru64 we can't recall Oracle ever using a file in that path. Normally
Oracle uses /etc for that sort of thing. Lots of other things were tried in
this endeavor so I can't discount the fact that some of those changes might
have helped resolve the problem. We found this especially puzzling because
we installed 8.1.7 on another machine cleanly and this file was present, but
apparently didn't upset the installer.
Dennis Williams
DBA
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 From: DENNIS WILLIAMS 
 Sent: Monday, January 21, 2002 10:12 AM
 To:   '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
 Subject:  Oracle 8.1.7 install failure on Compaq Tru64
 
 We are trying to install Oracle 8.1.7 on Compaq Tru64 with 0.S. 4.0F with
 the latest patch kit, and the EV5.6 chip set. The install just bombs off
 at 56% complete. No error messages, log messages, or trace files (hasn't
 gotten far enough to create ORACLE_HOME). The install works fine on
 another machine with the EV6 chip set. Compaq and Oracle say that EV5.6
 should be acceptable, and haven't provided much in the way of resolution.
 If you are curious which chip set you have, enter the command
 /usr/sbin/psrinfo -v. Any information on this would be helpful. Thank
 you.
 Dennis Williams
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RE: Class does not exist error

2002-01-29 Thread Jesse, Rich

This is supposed to be BUG# 1260358 and fixed in 8.1.6.1, but I can't find
any info on that BUG...

You may want to try to execute the $ORACLE_HOME/rdbms/admin/iniplsj.sql
script as user SYS.  This is normally called as part of initjvm.sql, but
some releases skipped it.  If I remember correctly, I had to run that
manually, too, a few weeks ago when I tried the e-mail thing.

Of course, DO THIS ON A TEST DATABASE FIRST and don't blame me if it don't
work.

Good luck!  :)

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Hi, Rick
I'm not 100% sure, but it I think, the problem is Server/JServer
version. The script will be OK on 8.1.7.  8.1.7 JVM is very different
from 8.1.6
HTH
Vadim

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Hi DBAs,

Oracle 8.1.6, NT server, JServer 8.1.6, Win 200 client

A list member sent me a pl/sql script for sending mail. It compiles ok
when
I run it I get the following error

class oracle/plsql/net/TCPConnection does not exist

Any ideas on how to correct this? I do not know if I have to do
something
on client side or server side


Thanks
Rick
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Re: NetSaint

2002-01-29 Thread Eswar the MAD

Hi,

As a alternative to TNG we tried that product, as a technitian i like the 
product and will again push it ;), but as a manager i wont go for that 
product cause of managability and scalability, TNG is very scalable and 
netsaint is not that much. just ask him who manages if he leaves (They asked 
me hi hi hi)

Regards

OraEtM!!


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Has anybody heard of/used/liked/hated NetSaint?  One of our
UNIX administrators is pushing this as a cheap alternative to
CA UniCenter, and he wants to start using it to monitor systems
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Please let me know your opinions, thoughts, and locations of any
resources you are aware of.

Thanx,
Mike

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Business Intelligence Suites

2002-01-29 Thread Brian Haas

Does anyone have any experience with Brio, Cognos, or any other Business
Intelligence Suites? If so,what are some pros and cons of them? 
 I have looked at Oracle's data mining suite, but it looks like it
requires heavy development to deploy reports and tools(We don't have an
in-house Java developer).
  I hope this isn't too offtopic(Hey I mentioned Oracle) Thanks for any
info you can give me.

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RE: Oracle trace file on/off

2002-01-29 Thread Mohan, Ross

Send them doggies home, KD, it's a done deal. 

;-)

-Original Message-

You may turn the trace on or off that way, but how do you interrogate it to
find its event settings?

- Kirti

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ORADEBUG SETORAPID, would make current session whatever you like, no?

-Original Message-

From what I know, there is no way to find if a session has turned on the
tracing unless it is your own session. DBMS_SYSTEM.read_ev can you tell you
if the current session is tracing or not, but it can not interrogate other
sessions. 

The only way I know is to check the trace files generated in the udump
directory.. but it is not fool-proof. 
 
And since you can not find out who is tracing at the moment, you can not
stop it.. 

Ross, I sure would like to learn the trick. Can you please post it?? :) 

Thanks.

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RE: Function In Select Statment

2002-01-29 Thread MacGregor, Ian A.

That may indeed help, if you're very lucky.  However forcing it to use that index 
could also result in an inefficient query path.  

Another possibility, also with drawbacks, is to have a materialized view which 
contains the function results as a column of the view.

Ian MacGregor
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Hamid,
 Why not create a function based index on the column that is being and
the data returned will be faster. I do not know if it will help the sort
for the order by but the data returned will be available faster. What
does your sort area look like? Is it to small to handle the sort and
paging out to disk?
ROR mª¿ªm

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Hi List,
One of our developer using function in his select statment but the
problem
is when he is using order by one of the function results column the
query is
very slow, Is there any way to use hint for function or some thing to
make
quesry faster.
Thanks in advance



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Re: auditing tables

2002-01-29 Thread Paul Baumgartel

Oracle Designer will create journal tables, and the triggers to
populate them.  It might be worth capturing your DB design in Designer
and using this feature (of course, I'm sure Designer isn't cheap, so
that's a consideration as well).  You'd gain the benefit of having your
design stored in a repository, too.

PB

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 triggers -- that do an insert into an auditing table. Been there,
 done
 that:
 
 Insert -- add a row to the auditing table of all the new values with
 one extra column type =I
 
 Delete add a row to the auditing table with all the old values and
 type=D
 
 Update -- add two rows to the auditing table -- first with old values
 and type = O
 second with all the new values and type =N 
 
 
 --- Foelz.Frank [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  TNX for your answers.
  
  What I need is exactly what Oracle doesn't support. Logging who
  changed
  what in a
  special area of our database.
  
  I think triggering the events will be much more specific and more
  easy to
  change.
  
  In case all our applications use the same database and user, I am
  trying to
  check out
  what application is changing monitored tables (i.e.
  c:\app\userapp\app.exe
  is changing
  table1).
  What do you think of that ??
  
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RE: OFF TOPIC: RE: PL/SQL

2002-01-29 Thread DENNIS WILLIAMS

Kirti - I haven't read that book, but I haven't seen a bad book in the for
Dummies series yet, so I would imagine it is pretty good, especially for
beginners. Maybe after you have gone through it you can let us know your
opinion, especially whether it is more for beginning Oracle developers or
beginning DBAs. Book recommendation is a question that seems to recur on
this list.
Dennis Williams
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Has anyone read 'Oracle8i for Dummies' ?? 
I have checked it out from our local public library 
It's not a bad read, I am still in chapter 1, though.. learning some new 
interesting analogies to this techie stuff.. 

- Kirti 

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beginner should start with RTFM, trying it on test box, and only than, if
he still does not get it, post his question explaining his problems.

Beth, you must not have seen Roland's questions.

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Roland,

Besides reading the manuals, take a look at www.lazydba.com.  They also
host an Oracle email list that might be a more appropriate forum for
your questions.  I think they have a higher ratio of new DBAs on their
list, and seldom mind answering the beginner questions.

HTH,

Beth

(was that so hard guys?)


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Hear hear ! You tell 'm, Kevin ! I'm with you all the way.

Anybody can ask me a simple question when they are looking for a quick
answer, but you can't do a good job when you're always looking for quick
answers. You have to LEARN. There's a difference between learning and
constantly asking questions.

Sorry, couldn't resist ...

-Oorspronkelijk bericht-
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Verzonden: dinsdag 29 januari 2002 9:00
Aan: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
Onderwerp: OFF TOPIC: RE: PL/SQL


When I arrive in the morning to a mailbox containing 150+ messages from
this list, I'm almost certainly guaranteed that 10% of them will be
questions that can easily be found via otn or a manual. That 10% usually
comes from the same person!! No wonder I'm irritated!!!

}:o|
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Geez... lay off already.  If you don't think the question is worthy of
your time, then don't answer it.  What a grouch.

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RRR   TTTFF
!!

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How can I in a pl/sql block write null if I want null to be inserted in
a field when I use dynamic sql.? . I mean nothing is going to be
inserted.




Thanks in advance


Roland

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Re: NetSaint

2002-01-29 Thread Gene Sais

we use big brother, free and it works.  not sure of the others you mentioned.  i've 
been forced to use ca-unicenter before and its not worth 1% of what they charged.  
basically it sux :)

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 01/29/02 11:12AM 
Has anybody heard of/used/liked/hated NetSaint?  One of our
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Please let me know your opinions, thoughts, and locations of any
resources you are aware of.

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Top parent in START WITH...CONNECT BY

2002-01-29 Thread Jesse, Rich

Hi,

On 8.1.7.2 (soon to be .3) on HP/UX 11.0, a developer needs to get the top
parent associated with a lower level row.  Expanding on Oracle's EMP
example:

EMP MGR LEVEL
King1
Greenberg   King2
Faviet  Greenberg   3
ChenGreenberg   3
Sciarra 1
Urman   Sciarra 2
PoppUrman   3
Jesse   Urman   3

...I need to know that the top-level manager for Jesse is Sciarra.  In
our live data, however, we currently have 9 levels (engineering
bill-of-materials) and there is no set maximum for levels.

Anyone have an idea how to return:
Jesse   Urman   Sciarra 3

...for this?  The START WITH...CONNECT BY can only give the PRIOR manager
and not the top level.

TIA!
Rich Jesse   System/Database Administrator
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Where to store BLOB's

2002-01-29 Thread

Hello all

We are designing a new application.
This application stores files that were FTP to the clients
and keep then for resubmitting (if the user ask for them).
There are two formats:
1) Standard records whose internal format is known.
These files lets the user ask for a subset of the records,
i.e. all the records for branch 
that were submitted in the last week, etc. .
2) Strange files that are moved as a file.
Here the application is not aware of the internal format,
i.e. excel files, and these files are going to be stored as Blob's
and the user can ask only for the whole file again.

I know that you can store Blob's in three ways: (already rtfm a little)
1) In the record (up to 4k), more goes to another tablespace.
2) In Oracle but in another tablespace (always).
3) As external files.

I would like to learn from your experience what is the best, 
easiest to implement, easiest to admin, less demanding on Oracle
and all the good stuff.

TIA

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RE: OFF TOPIC: RE: PL/SQL

2002-01-29 Thread Deshpande, Kirti

Igor,
 It's a good night-cap :) 
 However, I can use a sign like that, considering what we are going through
lately.. Implementing a HUGE system converted to access Oracle RDBMS.
Converted from old IDMS COBOL code, to Pro*COBOL programs. Each table has 4
copy-book routines that are called from the main program (PROCEDURE
DIVISION) :-) Yes, you guessed it right. I am not joking. 
Today, IBM is on site to fix the performance problems. Hope they find it
in the H/W... because they did not code the App. 
Most DBAs are on the side line like dummies!!! 
Installation of this monster will proceed to meet dead lines and, of course,
the budget.  

Next book on my list -- 'OCP for dummies!' 

Cheers !

- Kirti  

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Kirti,

Too much time on your hands?

Does the one, who gets through it's last chapter, get 'Oracle Dummy DBA'
sign?

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 Has anyone read 'Oracle8i for Dummies' ??
 I have checked it out from our local public library
 It's not a bad read, I am still in chapter 1, though.. learning some new 
 interesting analogies to this techie stuff..

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RE: Database Performance Question

2002-01-29 Thread Mohan, Ross
Title: RE: Database Performance Question



Parentitions and 
Maternalized Views are supposed to come out in 10i. 

(Paternalized 
views take longer, they required retrofitting onto the 
kernel
command tree. 
)
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ORACLE-LSubject: RE: Database Performance 
Question

  Partitions, Materialized views, bit map indexes. 
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  Hello all: 
  We have an application that is having slow response time 
  against an 8i database, I would like to improve the 
  response time. This is a web based application 
  accessing the database with about 2000 users. Most of the application queries are based on complex joins on 4 big tables with 
  each having over 5 million rows( biggest table has 18 
  million rows). I have tuned the Package queries 
  for the best explain plan possible, but still do not 
  seem to make dramatic change in the response time. Though, I was 
  able to make significant headway tuning these packages 
  by bringing down response times from 7 minutes to 
  under 3 minutes. But this is not an acceptable response time from a web-application perspective. 
  I am considering creating data cubes based on the most 
  frequently used join conditions and pre-populate them 
  on a nightly basis or use triggers to update the cube 
  simultaneously. I am hoping that this enhance 
  the response times. 
  I would greatly appreciate your suggestions or opinions on 
  this idea. If you have an alternative/better way of 
  achiving this please enlighten me. 
  Thank very much. Srini 
  Rajendran. 
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NetSaint vs BigBrother (was: NetSaint)

2002-01-29 Thread Tim Bunce

On Tue, Jan 29, 2002 at 08:12:05AM -0800, Vergara, Michael (TEM) wrote:
 Has anybody heard of/used/liked/hated NetSaint?  One of our
 UNIX administrators is pushing this as a cheap alternative to
 CA UniCenter, and he wants to start using it to monitor systems
 and databases.
 
 Please let me know your opinions, thoughts, and locations of any
 resources you are aware of.

I'd also be especially interested in any comparisons with BigBrother.
Has anyone evaluated or used both? Which did you pick? etc.

Thanks.

Here are some interesting comparisons I've already found:
http://userpages.umbc.edu/~smelam1/nsbb.pdf
http://ftp.fcaglp.unlp.edu.ar/pub/home/esuarez/usenix/chan.pdf

Tim.

http://www.netsaint.org/
http://www.bb4.com/
http://bigsister.graeff.com/

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RE: Database Performance Question

2002-01-29 Thread Ashoke Mandal

make sure you are not using any function like upper lower ... as part of the select 
statement. If yes then by creating function based index will improve the performance 
dramatically.


 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 01/29/02 10:35AM 
Partitions, Materialized views, bit map indexes.

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Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2002 10:25 AM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L


Hello all:

We have an application that is having slow response time against an 8i
database, I would like to improve the response time.  This is a web based
application accessing the database with about 2000 users. Most of the
application queries are based on complex joins on 4 big tables with each
having over 5 million rows( biggest table has 18 million rows).  I have
tuned the Package queries for the best explain plan possible, but still do
not seem to make dramatic change in the response time.  Though, I was able
to make significant headway tuning these packages by bringing down response
times from 7 minutes to under 3 minutes. But this is not an acceptable
response time from a web-application perspective.  

I am considering creating data cubes based on the most frequently used join
conditions and pre-populate them on a nightly basis or use triggers to
update the cube simultaneously.  
I am hoping that this enhance the response times.

I would greatly appreciate your suggestions or opinions on this idea. If you
have an alternative/better way of achiving this please enlighten me.

Thank very much.
Srini Rajendran.

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RE: Database Performance Question

2002-01-29 Thread SRAJENDRAN

Kirti:
Thanks for the insight.

Here are my Answers:

1. I feel database is the problem because when only a subset of the total
data is used the performance is excellent (with one tenth of the total
data).  The no. of users are the same.  Only amount data that is retrieved
is enormous (almost 10 times) when we have the performance problem.

2. Partioning may/may not help as it still has to traverse through all of
the partitions to get the data required in order to satisfy the join
condition.  May improve response time but not significantly.

3. I will look into this as well.

4. Connections on the database side are DEDICATED and on the web side they
are shared.(Using Microsoft COM objects, have certain set of database
connections as POOL that are shared by different users.)

Please let me know what you think...

Srini

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Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2002 11:20 AM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L


You have done very nicely so far in tuning those joins... but... 
More questions to you :
1. Why do you think this is still a database problem? 
2. Will partitioning those larger tables help the queries? 
3. What have you checked to make sure that the bottleneck is not the
web-server?
4. Are these connections persistent or the app connects/disconnects when
accessing the database? 

Looking for answers to these questions may help you locate other
opportunities to improve upon.. 

- Kirti 



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To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L


Hello all:

We have an application that is having slow response time against an 8i
database, I would like to improve the response time.  This is a web based
application accessing the database with about 2000 users. Most of the
application queries are based on complex joins on 4 big tables with each
having over 5 million rows( biggest table has 18 million rows).  I have
tuned the Package queries for the best explain plan possible, but still do
not seem to make dramatic change in the response time.  Though, I was able
to make significant headway tuning these packages by bringing down response
times from 7 minutes to under 3 minutes. But this is not an acceptable
response time from a web-application perspective.  

I am considering creating data cubes based on the most frequently used join
conditions and pre-populate them on a nightly basis or use triggers to
update the cube simultaneously.  
I am hoping that this enhance the response times.

I would greatly appreciate your suggestions or opinions on this idea. If you
have an alternative/better way of achiving this please enlighten me.

Thank very much.
Srini Rajendran.

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RE: RTFM questions (formally RE: PL/SQL)

2002-01-29 Thread Mohan, Ross

I guess this is still on topic eh?

LoL.

-Original Message-

And your point caller??
 
TIC ;o)

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To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L


No offense to anybody, but I think this is rather arrogant.  The list is for
anybody (unless the list owner decides it's just for experienced dba's). I
am brand new to Oracle, having just started learning it this week.  I can
easily foresee having what some might consider stupid or RTFM questions, and
being possibly unable to find the answer or having problems deciphering the
manual.  I myself am somewhat of a Word pro (and my vba code samples page is
the #1 ranked site of its kind on most major search engines) and I help all
kinds of newbies out on a Word list of which I am a member, as do all the
other members of the list.  Everybody on that list is extremely gracious and
nobody complains -- and the people with questions get the help they need,
with nobody sitting back going boy are you stupid / lazy.  I am hoping
that I can get the same kind of help here, when I am ready for it, that I
and others give on other lists.
 
--JoJo
 
 
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Sent: Monday, January 28, 2002 10:20 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L



The problem is that if you always ask the group for help, you never learn
where the information is within the manuals or other reference documentation
and the group also gets cluttered with trivia.

I agree with you that the list is here to help people and I personally do
not mind the odd naive question from a new DBA, but it is the ...can't be
bothered to look up the manual.. attitude that is most frustrating.  When
you ask the format of a command (for example) to the list, you are
potentionally asking 1000's of people the same question who will all have to
spend the time to filter these questions - we are all busy people and I
personally do not want to use my time in this way.  I'm sure you can see
that this is a much more expensive option than asking the person next to
you.

   
Cheers, 
Craig. 



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Why do you bother being on this List: The list is here to help fellow 
DBA'S. Have you never said to one of your collegues , what is the format of 
this command, or how can I do that, when you simply cant be bothered to 
look it up in the manual (either your busy or just down right lazy): 
Sometimes this list is useful for just that. So why dont u lighten up dude. 


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Re: Function In Select Statment

2002-01-29 Thread Ashoke Mandal

For Oracle 8i use functiion based index. 

Thanks,
Ashoke

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Hi List,
One of our developer using function in his select statment but the problem
is when he is using order by one of the function results column the query is
very slow, Is there any way to use hint for function or some thing to make
quesry faster.
Thanks in advance



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Re: Database Performance Question

2002-01-29 Thread Casey Jordan


You may want to look at using materialized views.  They are easy to setup
and can be refreshed manualy or automaticaly.

Thanks,
cj




   

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Hello all:

We have an application that is having slow response time against an 8i
database, I would like to improve the response time.  This is a web based
application accessing the database with about 2000 users. Most of the
application queries are based on complex joins on 4 big tables with each
having over 5 million rows( biggest table has 18 million rows).  I have
tuned the Package queries for the best explain plan possible, but still do
not seem to make dramatic change in the response time.  Though, I was able
to make significant headway tuning these packages by bringing down response
times from 7 minutes to under 3 minutes. But this is not an acceptable
response time from a web-application perspective.

I am considering creating data cubes based on the most frequently used join
conditions and pre-populate them on a nightly basis or use triggers to
update the cube simultaneously.
I am hoping that this enhance the response times.

I would greatly appreciate your suggestions or opinions on this idea. If
you
have an alternative/better way of achiving this please enlighten me.

Thank very much.
Srini Rajendran.

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RE: RTFM questions (formally RE: PL/SQL)

2002-01-29 Thread Mark Leith
Title: RTFM questions (formally RE: PL/SQL)



There 
is a good faq website listed at the base of each email sent to this list. Add to 
that *every* Oracle manual (authored by Oracle) is hosted in both pdf and (some) 
html format on the Oracle Technet site (http://otn.oracle.com/docs/content.html). Almost everybody with email 
access has internet access.. 

Just 
my 0.02 sickles

Mark 


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[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Sunrise 
DBASent: 29 January 2002 16:35To: Multiple recipients of 
list ORACLE-LSubject: Re: RTFM questions (formally RE: 
PL/SQL)

  Often, it isn't all that easy to find what you 
  need in "the manual". I have a enough Oracle books to make the springs in my 
  carsag, and sometimes, the answer just isn't there. Mostly yes, 
  but sometimes no. Usually, I have to go through 3 or 4 books before I 
  find an answer I can use. So, if the poor listee only has one or two books, 
  perhaps he doesn't have one that has the answer. Maybe yousenior, 
  high income guys can send him your spare books :-) Or better yet, put a 
  faq together with a book list. 
  
  Ken Hitchcox
  
  
- Original Message - 
From: 
JoJo 
Al-Zawawi 
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L 

Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2002 7:40 
AM
Subject: RE: RTFM questions (formally 
RE: PL/SQL)

No offense to 
anybody, butI think this is rather arrogant. The list is for 
anybody (unless the list owner decides it's just for experienced dba's). I 
am brand new to Oracle, having just started learning it this week. I 
can easily foresee having what some might consider stupid orRTFM 
questions, and being possibly unable to find the answer or having problems 
deciphering the manual. I myself am somewhat of a Word pro (and my vba 
code samples page is the #1 ranked site of its kind on most major search 
engines) and I help all kinds of newbies out on a Word list of which I am a 
member, as do all the other members of the list. Everybody on that 
list is extremely gracious and nobody complains -- and the people with 
questions get the help they need, with nobody sitting back going "boy are 
you stupid / lazy". I am hoping that I can get the same kind of help 
here, when I am ready for it, that I and others give on other 
lists.

--JoJo


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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Craig MundaySent: 
Monday, January 28, 2002 10:20 PMTo: Multiple recipients of list 
ORACLE-LSubject: RTFM questions (formally RE: 
PL/SQL)
The problem is that if you always ask the group for help, 
you never learn where the information is within the manuals or other 
reference documentation and the group also gets cluttered with 
trivia.
I agree with you that the list is here to help people and I 
personally do not mind the odd naive question from a new DBA, but it is the 
"...can't be bothered to look up the manual.." attitude that is most 
frustrating. When you ask the format of a command (for example) to the 
list, you are potentionally asking 1000's of people the same question who 
will all have to spend the time to filter these questions - we are all busy 
people and I personally do not want to use my time in this way. I'm 
sure you can see that this is a much more expensive option than asking the 
person next to you.
 Cheers, 
Craig. 
-Original Message- From: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Tuesday, 29 January 2002 2:55 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: RE: PL/SQL 
Why do you bother being on this List: The list is here to 
help fellow DBA'S. Have you never said to one of 
your collegues , what is the format of this command, 
or how can I do that, when you simply cant be bothered to look it up in the manual (either your busy or just down right 
lazy): Sometimes this list is useful for just that. 
So why dont u lighten up dude. 
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RE: RTFM questions (formally RE: PL/SQL)

2002-01-29 Thread Johnston, Tim
Title: RTFM questions (formally RE: PL/SQL)



Hi 
Ken...

 
Do they have an internet connection?

http://docs.oracle.com

or

http://tahiti.oracle.com

It 
goes a long way... And, as I mentioned in my other email... This person 
has been pointed at the exact manual on numerous occasions but chooses not to do 
any reading... He needs to post more questions along the lines of "Where 
do I look to find the answer to..." and "I looked in the xxx manual but I don't 
understand ..." This is not a random whack at a poster who asks the 
occasional question... This rant isdirected at alist 
abuser...

Tim

  -Original Message-From: Sunrise DBA 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2002 11:36 
  AMTo: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-LSubject: Re: 
  RTFM questions (formally RE: PL/SQL)
  Often, it isn't all that easy to find what you 
  need in "the manual". I have a enough Oracle books to make the springs in my 
  carsag, and sometimes, the answer just isn't there. Mostly yes, 
  but sometimes no. Usually, I have to go through 3 or 4 books before I 
  find an answer I can use. So, if the poor listee only has one or two books, 
  perhaps he doesn't have one that has the answer. Maybe yousenior, 
  high income guys can send him your spare books :-) Or better yet, put a 
  faq together with a book list. 
  
  Ken Hitchcox
  
  
- Original Message - 
From: 
JoJo 
Al-Zawawi 
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L 

Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2002 7:40 
AM
Subject: RE: RTFM questions (formally 
RE: PL/SQL)

No offense to 
anybody, butI think this is rather arrogant. The list is for 
anybody (unless the list owner decides it's just for experienced dba's). I 
am brand new to Oracle, having just started learning it this week. I 
can easily foresee having what some might consider stupid orRTFM 
questions, and being possibly unable to find the answer or having problems 
deciphering the manual. I myself am somewhat of a Word pro (and my vba 
code samples page is the #1 ranked site of its kind on most major search 
engines) and I help all kinds of newbies out on a Word list of which I am a 
member, as do all the other members of the list. Everybody on that 
list is extremely gracious and nobody complains -- and the people with 
questions get the help they need, with nobody sitting back going "boy are 
you stupid / lazy". I am hoping that I can get the same kind of help 
here, when I am ready for it, that I and others give on other 
lists.

--JoJo


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ORACLE-LSubject: RTFM questions (formally RE: 
PL/SQL)
The problem is that if you always ask the group for help, 
you never learn where the information is within the manuals or other 
reference documentation and the group also gets cluttered with 
trivia.
I agree with you that the list is here to help people and I 
personally do not mind the odd naive question from a new DBA, but it is the 
"...can't be bothered to look up the manual.." attitude that is most 
frustrating. When you ask the format of a command (for example) to the 
list, you are potentionally asking 1000's of people the same question who 
will all have to spend the time to filter these questions - we are all busy 
people and I personally do not want to use my time in this way. I'm 
sure you can see that this is a much more expensive option than asking the 
person next to you.
 Cheers, 
Craig. 
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Why do you bother being on this List: The list is here to 
help fellow DBA'S. Have you never said to one of 
your collegues , what is the format of this command, 
or how can I do that, when you simply cant be bothered to look it up in the manual (either your busy or just down right 
lazy): Sometimes this list is useful for just that. 
So why dont u lighten up dude. 
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RE: Database Performance Question

2002-01-29 Thread Nicoll, Iain (Calanais)

How many rows are you bringing back from a typical query, how good is the
best filter condition and are you filtering that first before joining to the
other tables in the explain plan?

What is the query and explain plan?

Iain Nicoll



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You have done very nicely so far in tuning those joins... but... 
More questions to you :
1. Why do you think this is still a database problem? 
2. Will partitioning those larger tables help the queries? 
3. What have you checked to make sure that the bottleneck is not the
web-server?
4. Are these connections persistent or the app connects/disconnects when
accessing the database? 

Looking for answers to these questions may help you locate other
opportunities to improve upon.. 

- Kirti 



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Hello all:

We have an application that is having slow response time against an 8i
database, I would like to improve the response time.  This is a web based
application accessing the database with about 2000 users. Most of the
application queries are based on complex joins on 4 big tables with each
having over 5 million rows( biggest table has 18 million rows).  I have
tuned the Package queries for the best explain plan possible, but still do
not seem to make dramatic change in the response time.  Though, I was able
to make significant headway tuning these packages by bringing down response
times from 7 minutes to under 3 minutes. But this is not an acceptable
response time from a web-application perspective.  

I am considering creating data cubes based on the most frequently used join
conditions and pre-populate them on a nightly basis or use triggers to
update the cube simultaneously.  
I am hoping that this enhance the response times.

I would greatly appreciate your suggestions or opinions on this idea. If you
have an alternative/better way of achiving this please enlighten me.

Thank very much.
Srini Rajendran.

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RE: RE: sqlplus question

2002-01-29 Thread lhoska

What ring are you going to give to Kimberly?  :-)

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Kewl! That means I get to start taking drugs again.

I am a happy boy. I'll whiz over to the OT list and give Kimberly a ring.
Does she like to climb mountains?

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Walt, don't worry. He's speaking WaReZ speak. You have to
follow the White Rabbit to get out. 

For further instructions, see Kimberly. She enjoys questions like these. 

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I'm lost here...

--Walt

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Well, you can check the manual but use the package dbms_output.put_job that
willfix it when you are inoracle but ifyoua re
in unix environment you must use crontab

Hope this is of help for you


Roland









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adpatch question

2002-01-29 Thread Bellows, Bambi


Hi Folks!

I'm in the middle of an 11.5.5 upgrade.  Now, if you've done that type of
thing before, you know those suckers just run forever, and if you leave it
running overnight, you generally come in the next day to find that things
failed overnight.  Well, that's where I was.  I left this sucker to run
overnight, and, when I came in, sure enough, worker 4 had crapped out with a
java error.  I checked metalink, and it said skip it, and when you're done
with 1808429 (the 11.5.5 upgrade patch), just run asfakreg.jlt manually.
Fine.  No big deal.  I went into adctrl and everything was in a wait state
except for ol number 4 which crapped out.  I chose hidden option 8 (skip
this thing) and the status changed to Skip  restart.  Great.  Except it
didn't.  Evidently, having no response for X amount of time, all my workers
stopped.  Again, no big deal, just re-run adpatch and let it start where it
crapped out.  Well, now we run into a big deal, because it can't change the
status from Skip  restart to anything that will allow adpatch to start
again (like, maybe, failed where it was before I fixed it).  

I'm thinking of going under the sheets, finding the $%^* table and updating
the status myself.  Anyone have any reason why that's not such a great idea?
Anyone have any other sneaky ways to change the status?  Anyone have a list
of the hidden options that Oracle doesn't tell you about (like ol number 8
there?)?

aTdHvAaNnKcSe!
Bambi.
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Microsoft plans to bundle iFS copycat into it operating system

2002-01-29 Thread Boivin, Patrice J

FYI,

http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/23852.html

They seem to have decided that iFS is not a bad idea, and they will
integrate it into their future OS.

Same strategy as for Novell's NDS and the Windows Active Directory in
Windows2000.

A Netscape equivalent into Windows95.

OS/2 HPFS which was ported as NT's NTFS.

On and on I suppose, if the strategy works, why not continue.

Regards,
Patrice Boivin
Systems Analyst (Oracle Certified DBA)

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RE: Oracle process causes High CPU

2002-01-29 Thread Mohan, Ross

What job(s) are you running?

and if you strings core | head -40, what do you get?


Inquiring Minds want to know, 

etc. 

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We have problem with oracle process ora_snp0 that causes high CPU and core
files on our system.  Does someone have idea how to fix it?  Please help.

Below is information captured from a trace file:

Dump file /export/home/oracle/product/8.0.5/rdbms/log/ssdb_snp0_16657.trc
Oracle8 Enterprise Edition Release 8.0.5.2.1 - Production
PL/SQL Release 8.0.5.2.0 - Production
ORACLE_HOME = /export/home/oracle/product/8.0.5
System name:SunOS
Node name:  pbna1
Release:5.6
Version:Generic_105181-26
Machine:sun4u
Instance name: SSDB
Redo thread mounted by this instance: 1
Oracle process number: 8
Unix process pid: 16657, image: ora_snp0_SSDB

*** 2002.01.29.03.13.33.000
*** SESSION ID:(7.11) 2002.01.29.03.13.32.000
Exception signal: 11 (SIGSEGV), code: 1 (Address not mapped to object),
addr: 0x
5f4c6000
Exception signal: 11 (SIGSEGV), code: 1 (Address not mapped to object),
addr: 0x
7f6c7d78
Exception signal: 11 (SIGSEGV), code: 1 (Address not mapped to object),
addr: 0x
7f6c7d78Background_Core_Dump = FULL


Thanks,
David
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RE: OFF TOPIC: RE: PL/SQL

2002-01-29 Thread Deshpande, Kirti

Will do..


- Kirti 

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Kirti - I haven't read that book, but I haven't seen a bad book in the for
Dummies series yet, so I would imagine it is pretty good, especially for
beginners. Maybe after you have gone through it you can let us know your
opinion, especially whether it is more for beginning Oracle developers or
beginning DBAs. Book recommendation is a question that seems to recur on
this list.
Dennis Williams
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Has anyone read 'Oracle8i for Dummies' ?? 
I have checked it out from our local public library 
It's not a bad read, I am still in chapter 1, though.. learning some new 
interesting analogies to this techie stuff.. 

- Kirti 

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beginner should start with RTFM, trying it on test box, and only than, if
he still does not get it, post his question explaining his problems.

Beth, you must not have seen Roland's questions.

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Roland,

Besides reading the manuals, take a look at www.lazydba.com.  They also
host an Oracle email list that might be a more appropriate forum for
your questions.  I think they have a higher ratio of new DBAs on their
list, and seldom mind answering the beginner questions.

HTH,

Beth

(was that so hard guys?)


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Hear hear ! You tell 'm, Kevin ! I'm with you all the way.

Anybody can ask me a simple question when they are looking for a quick
answer, but you can't do a good job when you're always looking for quick
answers. You have to LEARN. There's a difference between learning and
constantly asking questions.

Sorry, couldn't resist ...

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Onderwerp: OFF TOPIC: RE: PL/SQL


When I arrive in the morning to a mailbox containing 150+ messages from
this list, I'm almost certainly guaranteed that 10% of them will be
questions that can easily be found via otn or a manual. That 10% usually
comes from the same person!! No wonder I'm irritated!!!

}:o|
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Geez... lay off already.  If you don't think the question is worthy of
your time, then don't answer it.  What a grouch.

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RRR   TTTFF
!!

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How can I in a pl/sql block write null if I want null to be inserted in
a field when I use dynamic sql.? . I mean nothing is going to be
inserted.




Thanks in advance


Roland

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RE: Microsoft plans to bundle iFS copycat into it operating syste

2002-01-29 Thread Jamadagni, Rajendra

Okay ...

does anyone know what are Microsoft's own inventions?

Raj
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Rajendra Jamadagni  MIS, ESPN Inc.
Rajendra dot Jamadagni at ESPN dot com
Any opinion expressed here is personal and doesn't reflect that of ESPN Inc.

QOTD: Any clod can have facts, but having an opinion is an art!


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FYI,

http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/23852.html

They seem to have decided that iFS is not a bad idea, and they will
integrate it into their future OS.

Same strategy as for Novell's NDS and the Windows Active Directory in
Windows2000.

A Netscape equivalent into Windows95.

OS/2 HPFS which was ported as NT's NTFS.

On and on I suppose, if the strategy works, why not continue.

Regards,
Patrice Boivin
Systems Analyst (Oracle Certified DBA)

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RE: Oracle trace file on/off

2002-01-29 Thread Deshpande, Kirti

Here you go...

1) Find the OSPID for the suspected user (other than pmon, smon and their
famiy)

select s.username, p.spid
from v$session s, v$process p
where s.paddr = p.addr; 

2) Use oradebug to connect to that spid (here I have 26073, and the session
was tracing event 10046) 

SVRMGR oradebug setospid 26073
Oracle pid: 11, Unix process pid: 26073, image: oracle@myservername (TNS
V1-V3)

3) Dump the events for the connected spid... 

SVRMGR oradebug dump events 1
Statement processed.

4) Look in the trace file in the udump directory.. 

*** 2002-01-29 09:58:55.847
Dump event group for level SESSION
TC Addr  Evt#(b10)   Action   TR AddrArmLife
400E1B68 10046   1   400e1ba8 0 0
TR Name TR level   TR address   TR arm TR life
TR type
CONTEXT   8  -1  2
0
^^^ This session is tracing event 10046 context at level
8 

5) Dump it again (from 3)... 

6) Look in the trace file again 

*** 2002-01-29 10:01:57.316
WAIT #1: nam='SQL*Net message from client' ela= 34381 p1=1650815232 p2=1
p3=0
=
PARSING IN CURSOR #1 len=56 dep=0 uid=80 oct=42 lid=80 tim=2447763925
hv=3475487367 ad='a0de14e0'
alter session set events '10046 trace name context off'  
END OF STMT
PARSE #1:c=0,e=2,p=0,cr=0,cu=0,mis=1,r=0,dep=0,og=4,tim=2447763926
EXEC #1:c=0,e=0,p=0,cr=0,cu=0,mis=0,r=0,dep=0,og=4,tim=2447763927

-- Oops! The the smart A$$ turned off the trace, But got caught!!! 

Following is what you see in the trace file when the session is not
tracing. 
 
Dump event group for level SESSION
TC Addr  Evt#(b10)   Action   TR AddrArmLife

~  

I thank Ross for his nifty hints and his time last night, when I was having
a 'brain fart' while testing this...   

I learned something new from him... :) 

Cheers! 

- Kirti 

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Send them doggies home, KD, it's a done deal. 

;-)

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You may turn the trace on or off that way, but how do you interrogate it to
find its event settings?

- Kirti

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ORADEBUG SETORAPID, would make current session whatever you like, no?

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From what I know, there is no way to find if a session has turned on the
tracing unless it is your own session. DBMS_SYSTEM.read_ev can you tell you
if the current session is tracing or not, but it can not interrogate other
sessions. 

The only way I know is to check the trace files generated in the udump
directory.. but it is not fool-proof. 
 
And since you can not find out who is tracing at the moment, you can not
stop it.. 

Ross, I sure would like to learn the trick. Can you please post it?? :) 

Thanks.

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