RE: When optimizer reevaluate SQL statement

2001-09-14 Thread Hillman, Alex

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You mean it invalidates SQL which has references to the newly analyzed
objects, not all SQL in cache - right? Also are you sure that creating index
on table will invalidate SQL which references this table or view based on
this table?

Alex Hillman

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Chris  list,

The last time I checked, an ANALYZE also invalidates
the SQL in the shared pool, to force a parse and
rebuild of the execution plan, on the next execution
of the SQL statement.

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Gaja

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 If the statement is not exactly the same, the new
 statement will be
 reparsed.
 
 If you are executing it under a different user the
 statement will be
 reparsed.
 
 If you drop/create an index, it will invalidate the
 explain plan if that was
 part of the chosen path.
 
 I believe statistics also invalidates the plans as
 well, but not 100% sure
 on that.
 
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 Let's assume that SQL statement was parsed by user
 X. If this or another
 user reexecute this same statement what are the
 conditions that this SQL
 statement will be reparsed? Let's assume that
 privileges are not changed and
 tables and/or views are not dropped and views are
 not changed. And optimizer
 parameters are not changed. First come to mind is
 dropping index. What about
 reanalizing one of the object - theoretically should
 also reparse. Anything
 else?
 
 Also is there possibility to force reparsing of SQL
 statement if let say
 index was added - short of flashing shared pool?
 
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RE: When optimizer reevaluate SQL statement

2001-09-13 Thread Hillman, Alex

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No takers so far - anybody?

Alex Hillman

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Let's assume that SQL statement was parsed by user X. If this or another
user reexecute this same statement what are the conditions that this SQL
statement will be reparsed? Let's assume that privileges are not changed and
tables and/or views are not dropped and views are not changed. And optimizer
parameters are not changed. First come to mind is dropping index. What about
reanalizing one of the object - theoretically should also reparse. Anything
else?

Also is there possibility to force reparsing of SQL statement if let say
index was added - short of flashing shared pool?

Alex Hillman
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Quest bought EZSQL

2001-09-13 Thread Hillman, Alex

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Guys, go to www.ezsql.net and read about it. Quest will not sell new
licences - apparently EZSQL was bought to suppress competition for TOAD and
SQL Navigator. It reminds me Marks explanation about capitalizm - that
capitalizm suppress innovations when they are thretening profits.

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bitmap indexes and rule based optimizer

2001-09-12 Thread Hillman, Alex

Anybody knows whether rule based optimizer can use bitmap indexes?

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RE: bitmap indexes and rule based optimizer

2001-09-12 Thread Hillman, Alex

Thanks. However bitmap indexes are 7.3+ feature - why I asked.

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Alex:

No, the rbo does not support bitmap indexes or any other Oracle8 or greater
feature (such as partitioning, etc.). To use these features, you must set
optimizer_mode to CHOOSE, FIRST_ROWS or ALL_ROWS, which will invoke the cbo.

Jon Walthour

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Anybody knows whether rule based optimizer can use bitmap indexes?

Alex Hillman
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RE: Copying backups across a narrow pipe.

2001-09-11 Thread Hillman, Alex

And where can I get that look?

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Hi,

take a look at connect direct. 
It's a data transfer tool that is scriptable and can handle high volumes
at a high transfer rate. 


Denham Eva schrieb:
 
 Hi Gurus
 
 I have a problem in that I have to copy my backups across a wan connection
 to a remote server.
 However the copy ( using xcopy) in the microsoft NT environment, keeps on
 dropping or times out. So the success rate is very low, the Boss is now
 becoming difficult about it.
 Does anyone know of any tools/Software which I could use to copy the file
 across, check the integrity and recopy if it had failed?
 
 Any suggestions will be appreciated
 Many Thanks
 Denham
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RE: manage oracle on SAP system

2001-09-10 Thread Hillman, Alex

Typo.

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Alex, 
Are you joking or it's a typo ? 
but I like Iracle (Irate+Oracle ??:) SAP DBA... 

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 Why don't you buy Donald Burleson book about Iracle DBA in SAP
 environment.
 Do't remember exact  title but you can find it by author.
 
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RE: db engines VS flat files

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RE: Hardware requirements when migration oracle from NT to Li

2001-09-07 Thread Hillman, Alex

Everyday I find something new from this list. Today - that red hat cannot
handle more than 1 processor :-)

Alex Hillman

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Take what you have, strip out one processor since I don't think Red Hat can
use
more than one processor, and have fun.  BTW: Your duhvelepors will probably
see
a 100% performance boost since Linux has a lot less overhead than NT.

Dick Goulet

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Hi list,

I want to migrate our developer databases from NT 4.0 (Oracle 8.1.5) to
Redhat Linux 7.1 (Oracle 8.1.7). My question is, which hardware do I need
for the linux machine to hit the same performance than on NT machine.

Hardware NT machine:
2 * PIII 500 processor
1 GB Ram
one RAID 5 

TIA

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RE: manage oracle on SAP system

2001-09-07 Thread Hillman, Alex

Why don't you buy Donald Burleson book about Iracle DBA in SAP environment.
Do't remember exact  title but you can find it by author.

Alex Hillman

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hi, list:
  I just be an ERP system oracle dba, and find Oracle
and SAP are tightly related.
  Is here someone else also managing Oracle on SAP
system? Give out some key point and suggestions?
  I am yet not familier with SAP system .
  Thanks.

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RE: Max IO size - File System vs Raw

2001-09-07 Thread Hillman, Alex

Until Solaris 2.5 it was hard coded limit of I/O size 64K. Has nothing to do
with file system restriction on I/O size.

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Yeh - thats what I suspected - but no-one at Sun seems
to wanna tell me that.  Basically they're telling me,
we can read up to maxphys - if you're not getting
that, then it must be something non-Sun related

Sounds like BS to me.

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 Anyone know of any restrictions on the max physical
 IO
 (under Solaris8) that is imposed by file systems? 
 To illustrate -
 
 Using a tablespace on a raw device under veritas vol
 mgr
 - maxphys is 512k
 - vxio:vol_maxio is 512k
 - db block size is 8k
 - db multi read is 64
 and as expected, a level 8, 10046 trace shows me
 that
 I can get 512k max io...so far, so good
 
 If I repeat the exercise after putting a file system
 (vxfs or ufs) on this device, then the best I can
 get
 is 256k.
 
 Any Solaris internal people out there ?
 
 Cheers
 Connor
 
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When optimizer reevaluate SQL statement

2001-09-06 Thread Hillman, Alex

Let's assume that SQL statement was parsed by user X. If this or another
user reexecute this same statement what are the conditions that this SQL
statement will be reparsed? Let's assume that privileges are not changed and
tables and/or views are not dropped and views are not changed. And optimizer
parameters are not changed. First come to mind is dropping index. What about
reanalizing one of the object - theoretically should also reparse. Anything
else?

Also is there possibility to force reparsing of SQL statement if let say
index was added - short of flashing shared pool?

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what to check in alert.log

2001-09-05 Thread Hillman, Alex

Any suggestions what to check for in alert.log besides ORA-  ?

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RE: 81721 upgrade and event 10520

2001-09-05 Thread Hillman, Alex

It is for avoiding of firing DDL triggers when running upgrade scripts.

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Hi,

In the release notes for 8.1.7.2.1 there is a requirement to turn event
10520 on before running catalog.sql / catproc.sql and then turning the event
off afterwards.

What does this event actually do (Ixora nor Metalink explain it)?
Does anyone know if this event required if you are creating a brand new
8.1.7.2.1 database?

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RE: 81721 upgrade and event 10520

2001-09-05 Thread Hillman, Alex

Sorry I mixed this event with undoc. parameter _system_trig_enabled=false  

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It is for avoiding of firing DDL triggers when running upgrade scripts.

Alex Hillman

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Hi,

In the release notes for 8.1.7.2.1 there is a requirement to turn event
10520 on before running catalog.sql / catproc.sql and then turning the event
off afterwards.

What does this event actually do (Ixora nor Metalink explain it)?
Does anyone know if this event required if you are creating a brand new
8.1.7.2.1 database?

Thanks,
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RE: Spooling output of a select statement to a file through store

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financial problems with fatcity.com

2001-08-29 Thread Hillman, Alex

I think that much better than voluntary contributions will be some
s*u*b*s*c*r*i*p*t*i*o*n fees - like $1 per month or better $12 per year. I
am sure that
everybody working with Oracle and living in US or UK or other developed
country can afford such fees. We will not need to charge people from
developing countries - I am sure these subscription fees will generate more
than $500 per month.

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RE: financial problems with fatcity.com

2001-08-29 Thread Hillman, Alex

I dont think $12 is worth even speak to management. 

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The only problem with having my damagement pay for a subscription for this
list is that they may find out where I get all my answers to some very
difficult problems!!  ;o)

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Whats that first part of your domain address there Alex  :-)

Perhaps you could help the list out !! 

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I think that much better than voluntary contributions will be some
s*u*b*s*c*r*i*p*t*i*o*n fees - like $1 per month or better $12 per year. I
am sure that
everybody working with Oracle and living in US or UK or other developed
country can afford such fees. We will not need to charge people from
developing countries - I am sure these subscription fees will generate more
than $500 per month.

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RE: MOVE Tables from One Tablespace to Another Tablespace !!

2001-08-21 Thread Hillman, Alex

Need to add accounting for LOB indexes or simply not to add whenever SQL
error ...
alter index .. rebuild does not work for LOB indexes.

Alex Hillman

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I just did this yesterday.  Here are the scripts I used;

sqlplus system/syspaswd

set pagesize 0
set feedback off
spool mv_tbls.sql
select 'alter table '|| owner || '.' || segment_name || ' move tablespace
new_tblspc;'
from dba_segments
where segment_type='TABLE'
and tablespace_name='old_tblspc';
spool off;
spool alter_idxs.sql
select 'alter index ' || i.table_owner || '.' || i.index_name || ' rebuild;'
from dba_indexes i, dba_segments s
where s.segment_name=i.table_name
and s.owner=i.table_owner
and s.segment_type='TABLE'
and s.tablespace_name='old_tblspc';
spool off;

this is from memory, so check the spooled scripts before running...

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hi,
the command is :

Alter table table_name move tablespace tablespace_name;

But be careful from index corruption.

Best Regards,
Nabila Mekkaoui
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Hello All,


Please tell me the detailed steps to move tables from one tablespace to
another tablespace.

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RE: High DML Table - Suggestions??

2001-08-20 Thread Hillman, Alex

Also I would have high PCTFREE to lessen number of records per block - if
you will have a lot of buffer busy waits. If you have enough memory - simply
increase size of KEEP pool to get enough space for needed number of CR
blocks. You will have to experiment with size of KEEP pool and
v$buffer_pool_statistics - purpose to eliminate physical reads.

Alex Hillman

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Don't put it in a buffer keep because of the amount of
consistent gets the table could have. It seems to be a
high volatile table.

Maybe it is too late but you should look on the
initrans, freelist of the table. Also if the table has
foreign keys, talk with Development to leave the table
without them. I should consider to partition the
tablemaybe a hash one.

Regards.


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 I have a table that is going to have a large amount
 of
 inserts, updates and deletes performed against it
 daily. Approximately 1,000,000 transactions per day
 (some single-record, some multi-record). The table
 is
 ~100Mb in size.
 
 I'm looking for some suggestions on what I can do to
 have the most optimal I/O for the table. I've been
 doing a little reading about buffer pools. Is
 assigning this table to a KEEP pool a practical
 approach or is that not going to buy me anything
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 Unfortunately, I can't put the table on a dedicated
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How to find maximum number of concurrent sorts from instance star

2001-08-17 Thread Hillman, Alex


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Using triggers for data validation

2001-08-17 Thread Hillman, Alex

In Steve Adams sample of performance report there is a suggestion to use
trigger after row  update instead of before row update because it will halve
the number of redo records created for row locks. Anybody has diferent
opinion?

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RE: Re[2]: Datafile Migration Tool

2001-08-16 Thread Hillman, Alex
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RE: Re[2]: Datafile Migration Tool

2001-08-15 Thread Hillman, Alex

exp/imp does not work(takes too much time)for large databases. How long do
you think import will take for 200G database? - about 60 hours?

Alex Hillman

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Rachel,

I can see what he is proposing, but I'm not sure anyone would care.  I
know
I can't take the datafiles from one of our HP-UX servers and use them to
create
a database on NT for instance.  Wish I could for our Support Magic junk.  In
that case they do a bunch of things (like create objects) as SYS which never
get
included in an export.  The problem that I see is that there is a toolset
that
currently exists, namely export  import, that work cross platform with no
problems.  Just not at the datafile level.  And although that type of tool
would
be interesting to me it would not be of much value since I've only the one
problem.

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Author: Rachel Carmichael [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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it doesn't sound like an ftp type tool. If I am reading this correctly, he 
is proposing to provide a tool that copies datafiles directly from one OS to

another.

While this is an interesting trick, I'm not sure there's a large market for 
it.


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Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 12:00:53 -0800

Not to be a smartass, but don't most OS's already have ftp built in?
What kind of value-added are you proposing?  Just curious...

Scott Shafer
San Antonio, TX


K Gopalakrishnan wrote:
 
  Hi ,
 
  Will there be a market if I give a tool which migrates Oracle database
  from One OS to another OS. (Data file migration at Operating System
  Level.)
 
  i.e it will convert from  Oracle data files on NT to Oracle Datafiles
  on Solaris and vice versa.  In the target database you need to recreate
  the control files and you are done. You can startup the database. You
  don't need to export/import or CTAS over dblink..
 
  Send your replies directly to me..
 
  Thanks Yong..for bringing the cat out of the basket ;)
 
  =
  Have a nice day !!
  
  Best Regards,
  K Gopalakrishnan,
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RE: OT Dorothy Parker :)

2001-08-09 Thread Hillman, Alex

One never knows. I think worst is to be in the last wave of layoffs. IN THE
FIRST WAVE PEOPLE usually get much better packages.

Alex Hillman

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Congratulations on your survival Shrek.  Having more work is better than
having NO work.

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geez, is it friday yet?  i hope so, cuz we just got done laying off 25% of
the people here.

same work + less people := get-out-of-dodge-NOW.


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RE: How to locate who dropped a view using log miner?

2001-08-08 Thread Hillman, Alex

Can you elaborate a little bit more please.

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Life isn't made any easier by the fact that it is apparently
a deliberate decision the part of Oracle Corp to leave
the undo/redo for various dictionary tables uninterpreted,
so that SQl against TAB$ reads:

delete from UNKNOWN.objn:4
where col[1] = hextoraw('c20301') ...


I would look only at the OBJ$ code, and set up the
column search section of log miner to search for
the TYPE# column, specifying the value as per the
list in $ORACLE_HOME/rdbms/admin/sql.bsq



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|and you might not find anything.
|
|I'll reiterate, logminer in 8.1.5-.7 is version 1.0, anything of
version
|1.0 is full of bugs(and logminer has its own share), and does not
have
|full functionality.
|
|here is the short version.
|
|a DDL statement like drop table, does do DML against underlying
tables
|that end in $.
|
|tab$, col$, etc.
|
|In an advanced logminer class i teach, you can SOMETIMES find when a
|table was dropped based on DML against the data dictionary but NOT
|always, why??
|
|well chained/migrated rows is only noted as operation = INTERNAL and
you
|get NO redo or undo SQL.
|
|I'm not saying logminer is hard to use, but its a bit more than,
|
|start logminer and look for undo SQL in the v$logmnr_contents view.
|
|joe
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RE: How to locate who dropped a view using log miner?

2001-08-08 Thread Hillman, Alex



Strange how Oracle can make 
complicated things right and very simple things very bad. Example - the same 
logminer. Looks like interface was done by brain dead people. I am not talking 
about the bugs. Also database assistant. This is a task for HS student - very 
simple GUI etc. and even after several reincarnations there are a lot of 
bugs.

Alex 
Hillman

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  RE: How to locate who dropped a view using log miner?
  Intentional or because you didnt have an up to date dictionary 
file.
  
  I'll be the last to defend oracle corp but that was version 1 of 
  logminer, before that you had basically nothing or pay for a 3rd party 
  tool.
  
  up thru 8.1.7 there is no support for DDL, never was and never will be in 
  8i.
  
  9i thats another story, i'm working with it now and hope to check out the 
  DDL this evening.
  
  joe
  
  
  joe-Original Message-Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2001 
  4:11 AMTo: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-LLife isn't 
  made any easier by the fact that it is apparentlya deliberate decision the 
  part of Oracle Corp to leavethe undo/redo for various dictionary tables 
  uninterpreted,so that SQl against TAB$ reads:delete from 
  UNKNOWN.objn:4where col[1] = hextoraw('c20301') ...I would 
  look only at the OBJ$ code, and set up thecolumn search section of log 
  miner to search forthe TYPE# column, specifying the value as per 
  thelist in $ORACLE_HOME/rdbms/admin/sql.bsqJonathan 
  LewisSeminars on getting the best out of OracleLast few places 
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  [EMAIL PROTECTED]Date: 08 August 2001 03:22|and you 
  might not find anything.||I'll reiterate, logminer in 8.1.5-.7 is 
  version 1.0, anything ofversion|1.0 is full of bugs(and logminer has 
  its own share), and does nothave|full functionality.||here is 
  the short version.||a DDL statement like drop table, does do DML 
  against underlyingtables|that end in $.||tab$, col$, 
  etc.||In an advanced logminer class i teach, you can SOMETIMES find 
  when a|table was dropped based on DML against the data dictionary but 
  NOT|always, why??||well chained/migrated rows is only noted as 
  operation = INTERNAL andyou|get NO redo or undo SQL.||I'm not 
  saying logminer is hard to use, but its a bit more than,||start 
  logminer and look for undo SQL in the v$logmnr_contents 
  view.||joe||--|Joe Testa|Performing Remote DBA 
  Services, need some backup DBA support?|For Sale: Oracle-dba.com domain, 
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RE: Timed statistics and SQL_TRACE for already running session

2001-08-08 Thread Hillman, Alex

Do you know what does procedure WAIT_FOR_EVENT in this package is doing?

Alex Hillman

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Which version of Oracle.

From 8.1.6 onwards, dbms_system contains
a call similar to set_sql_trace_in_session
which is name something like:
set_boll_param_in_session. Describe
dbms_system to check the proper
nmame and parms.

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|
|I used the following syntax/package to run a trace on a user's
already
|running
|session.
|
|EXECUTE dbms_system.set_sql_trace_in_session(8,12,TRUE);
|
|I then ran tkprof on the resulting trace file.   It all worked fairly
well
|but
|I didn't get any times on any of the statements that executed.
|
|Is there a way to use timed_statistics with this package?
|Or must I turn on timed statistics for the entire database?
|


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RE: SQL tuning / optimization problem - IS NOT NULL - Clarify

2001-08-08 Thread Hillman, Alex
   VARCHAR2(80)
 DOA_CHECK_BOXNUMBER
 CUSTOMER_SATIS   NUMBER
 CUSTOMER_CODEVARCHAR2(20)
 SERVICE_ID   VARCHAR2(30)
 ALT_PHONEVARCHAR2(20)
FORWARD_CHECKNUMBER
 CCLIST1  VARCHAR2(255)
 CCLIST2  VARCHAR2(255)
 KEYWORDS VARCHAR2(255)
 OWNERSHIP_STMP   DATE
 MODIFY_STMP  DATE
 DIST NUMBER
 ARCH_IND NUMBER
 IS_SUPERCASE NUMBER
 DEV  NUMBER
 CASE_SOLN2WORKAROUND NUMBER(38)
 CASE_PREVQ2QUEUE NUMBER(38)
 CASE_CURRQ2QUEUE NUMBER(38)
 CASE_WIP2WIPBIN  NUMBER(38)
 CASE_LOGIC2PROG_LOGICNUMBER(38)
 CASE_OWNER2USER  NUMBER(38)
 CASE_STATE2CONDITION NUMBER(38)
 CASE_ORIGINATOR2USER NUMBER(38)
 CASE_EMPL2EMPLOYEE   NUMBER(38)
 CALLTYPE2GBST_ELMNUMBER(38)
 RESPPRTY2GBST_ELMNUMBER(38)
 RESPSVRTY2GBST_ELM   NUMBER(38)
 CASE_PROD2SITE_PART  NUMBER(38)
 CASE_REPORTER2SITE   NUMBER(38)
 CASE_REPORTER2CONTACTNUMBER(38)
 ENTITLEMENT2CONTRACT NUMBER(38)
 CASESTS2GBST_ELM NUMBER(38)
 CASE_RIP2RIPBIN  NUMBER(38)
 COVRD_PPI2SITE_PART  NUMBER(38)
 CASE_DISTR2SITE  NUMBER(38)
 CASE2ADDRESS NUMBER(38)
 CASE_NODE2SITE_PART  NUMBER(38)
 DE_PRODUCT2SITE_PART NUMBER(38)
 CASE_PRT2PART_INFO   NUMBER(38)
 DE_PRT2PART_INFO NUMBER(38)
 ALT_CONTACT2CONTACT  NUMBER(38)
 TASK2OPPORTUNITY NUMBER(38)
 CASE2LIFE_CYCLE  NUMBER(38)
 CASE_VICTIM2CASE NUMBER(38)
 ENTITLE2CONTR_ITMNUMBER(38)
 X_DIAGNOSIS  VARCHAR2(255)
 X_EXPERIENCE NUMBER
 X_OS VARCHAR2(30)
 X_PROBLEMVARCHAR2(255)
 X_RESOLUTION VARCHAR2(255)
X_WORKGROUP  VARCHAR2(30)
 X_FIRST_CLOSEVARCHAR2(1)
 X_FCLOSEDNUMBER
 X_FCLOSEDATE DATE


Following indexes exist on the TABLE_CASE table:

Index_nameColumn_name
CASE_OBJINDEXOBJID
IND_ALT_FIRST_NAME   ALT_FIRST_NAME
IND_ALT_LAST_NAME ALT_LAST_NAME
IND_CASE_CREATION_TIMECREATION_TIME
CASE_CASE_INDEX   ID_NO
IND_CASE_OWNER2USER  CASE_OWNER2USER, CASE_WIP2WIPBIN
IND_ENTITLEMENT2CONTRACT ENTITLEMENT2CONTRACT
IND_CASE_REPORTER2CONTACT CASE_REPORTER2CONTACT
IND_CASE_STATE2CONDITION CASE_STATE2CONDITION
IND_CASE_PROD2SITE_PART  CASE_PROD2SITE_PART
IND_ENTITLE2CONTR_ITM ENTITLE2CONTR_ITM

INDEX_NAME
--
IND_CASE_VICTIM2CASE  CASE_VICTIM2CASE
IND_S_CASE_TITLE  S_TITLE
IND_CASE_PREVQ2QUEUE  CASE_PREVQ2QUEUE
IND_CASE_CURRQ2QUEUE  CASE_CURRQ2QUEUE
CASE_WIP2WIPBIN_INDEX CASE_WIP2WIPBIN
IND_CASESTS2GBST_ELM  CASESTS2GBST_ELM


I hope that's everything that anyone might need to look at this problem.
I'm frustrated after pounding away at it off and on the last couple of
days.
The users are getting frustrated and I've run out of ideas.  In another day
or two they are going to revolt and then I'll have my boss breathing down
my neck.   So if anyone has any ideas of what I might try, please let me
know.

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RE: Recovery without backup.

2001-08-08 Thread Hillman, Alex
Title: Recovery without backup.



It 
existed before 8i. There is an example in Backup and Recovery book. alter 
database create datafile ...
and 
then recover.

Alex 
Hillman

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  Recovery without backup.
  I don't know much about this feature, but someone 
  mentioned in 8.1.7 you can recover a datafile even without a backup as long as 
  you have a control file that knew about it and the archive logs.
  Anyone give this a try? I am going to attempt 
  this weekend on my test box. 
  "Do not criticize someone until you walked a 
  mile in their shoes, that way when you criticize them, you are a mile a way 
  and have their shoes."
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RE: ORA-00600 on Production DB - Need advice/Still Searching

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RE: How to determine checkpoint rate?

2001-08-07 Thread Hillman, Alex

I began indiscriminantly delete OT messages. Too much. 

Alex Hillman

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One more idea, set up www.gotomypc.com on a computer and allow the client
access from one of their machines.  They will be able to see everything you
are doing.  I use it and it is excellent.  It requires no software for the
client and you could have it running in as little as 5-10 minutes.

- Ethan

Good to see Jonathan Lewis posting!  Now if we can only get Steve back!
Perhaps a little too much OT now and then?

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Subject: How to determine checkpoint rate?


I am trying to locate a stat that is incremented every time a 
checkpoint
occurs.  I see a few checkpoint related stats in V$SYSTAT but 
none seem high
enough to match the number of checkpoints that have occurred 
as a result of
log switches, log checkpoint timeouts.  Am I mistaken on this? 
 Is there
somewhere I can determine the total number of checkpoints that 
have occurred
since system startup?

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RE: Evaluation questions

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RE: performance pl/sql for DW conclusion

2001-07-31 Thread Hillman, Alex

I also did not find any reporting scripts. In the tables created by
proftab.sql - there is only line numbers, not PL/SQL text. So I need to get
text from the module using line numbers - right? Anybody have report script
which join these table with dba_source?

Alex Hillman

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To completely install the DBMS_PROFILER package, run:

1. $ORACLE_HOME/rdbms/admin/profload.sql - to install the package (run as
SYS)

2. $ORACLE_HOME/rdbms/admin/proftab.sql - to create the appropriate tables
for the package. You can either run this script in the schema of the user
who is going to use DBMS_PROFILER or, as I do, run it as SYSTEM, then create
the appropriate synonyms and grant the appropriate permissions to use the
tables.

Jon Walthour

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Looks like DBMS_PROFILER is not installed using catproc. I found
loadprof.sql rdbms/admin which will install it. Any other way to install it?
I did not find any scripts in rdbms/admin which call profload.sql.

Alex Hillman

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DBMS_PROFILER is great, if you have PL/SQL Developer, it has a great
interface to it.

Walking on water and developing software from a specification are easy if
both are frozen.

Christopher R. Spence
Oracle DBA
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Hi guys

Thanx everyone, I found what was going on.  A special thank-you to Raj for
pointing out the dbms_profiler, what a wonderful tool.  Using that tool I
discover that it was my select, and not the parsing or inserts, that were
causing the problem.  I created a bunch of indexes for all my dimension
tables, and voilà...  Down to 500 rows in 5 seconds.  I love that list :-)

FYI: SGA is fine, hit ratio ok, on that side, server and DB are going well,
it was really my  coding or pl/sql the problem.  Now I know I was not
helping my code at all.

Thanks again to everyone who helped.  Merci Steph, je te répond bientôt...

Daniel

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RE: performance pl/sql for DW conclusion

2001-07-31 Thread Hillman, Alex

I also did not find any reporting scripts. In the tables created by
proftab.sql - there is only line numbers, not PL/SQL text. So I need to get
text from the module using line numbers - right? Anybody have report script
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RE: alter index??

2001-07-31 Thread Hillman, Alex

It is fixed in 8.1.7.1.

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Again, I will post that there is a bug in using 'alter index indexname
rebuild online;' in 8i.

Metalink Doc 125149.1 (among others, look for them all) says;

The ONLINE option of ALTER INDEX .. REBUILD ONLINE was introduced
  in Oracle8i. This feature enables an index to be rebuilt whilst DML
  continues against the table.  This bug can produce a corrupt index when
  using the REBUILD ONLINE functionality thus:

Once an online rebuild has begun, any user transaction that updates the
index will generate corrupt undo which is written to the rollback
segment
and redo log. If this corrupt undo is applied either due to process
death or instance death, or following a point in time recovery, it will
corrupt the index (or IOT). A user session rollback will not introduce
the corruption.

  This problem can result in an index/table data mismatch.
  Eg: There may be an index entry with no matching table row.

  The same problem exists when performing a MOVE ONLINE of an IOT (index
  only table).

Buyer beware.  I always use 'alter index indexname rebuild;'.

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Use the alter index rebuild command.  It uses the existing index to build
the new one rather than going to the table.

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 Hi Friends

 What is the best way of rebuilding of following Index??

 Index has total size 5.8Gb But lot of deletions, may be the
 real data around
 2.5Gb has initial extent 71M, next 197M. So How my doubt
 which is best way
 for setting initial=next or give more space for initial for
 putting more
 data in initial itself and keep next as it is??? Any ideas???

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RE: sqlloader process dies

2001-07-31 Thread Hillman, Alex

Why don't you try to divide this load in several parts.

Alex Hillman

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Thank you Kevin.
No, drive has plenty of space.
Any one else has a guess?
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Since it can't create a log file either ... how about space ???  running out
of space on the machine ??

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Hi,
I am experiencing a problem with sqlloader not being able to finish a large
load.  It tries to load between 1 and 2 millions records.  Sometime during
the load it just dies. I see an attempt to create a log file but the file
size remains 0 bytes.  It remains 0 size until the next day when new process
kicks off.  The described scenario occurs day after day.  It is a cron job
kicked from a batch file running multiple loads simultaneously.  There are
two particular loads that die every day...
Anyone has any idea?
Thank you for your help  

Lyuda

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RE: 8.1.6. on Linux installation problem

2001-07-30 Thread Hillman, Alex

It gives only picture. Was it a joke?

Alex Hillman

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Try the linux dist from www.blackthorne.org.

It worked for me on SuSE 7.1

Jared

On Sunday 29 July 2001 21:30, Okan CIMEN wrote:
 Hello

 When I try to install Oracle 8.1.6 for Linux, I get a message saying;
 Initializing Java Virtual Machine from

../stage/Components/oracle.swd.jre/1.1.8/1/DataFiles/Expanded/linux/bin/jre
. Please wait...

 and installation does not even start. I thought that the problem's reason
 is my box's JRE release is 1.3.1.

 Any recommendations?

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RE: Another Braindead Friday...

2001-07-27 Thread Hillman, Alex

another user should have select privileges for underlying table directly,
not thru the role.

Alex Hillman

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I have RTFM'd re: the following problem in HPUX11, Oracle 7.3.3:

--I have user1 who has select privileges on another schema's table
(user2.tab) through Select Any Table privilege.

--user1 creates a view on user2.tab and grants select on the view to
other users (user3..n) through a shared role.

--When user3, et al tries to select from the view they get the infamous
ORA-1720 - Grant option does not exist for xxx.xxx error.

--I know you I can grant select on user2.tab with grant option to user1
and solve this, but I would rather not do that if at all possible.  

--Also, I could create the view as user2 and not have the problem.  The
issue here is user1 needs to create the above type of views on the fly
(please! I didn't design it!!!), and with 30 sites to support, there is
no way to keep up if I have to create the views one by one.

Is there any way around the situation besides the select with grant
option clause to user1 (view owner)?  
Am I an idiot?  
Are sheep considered dates in TX?
HELP

Thanks,

Scott Shafer
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RE: Solution (sorta) - Re: Another Braindead Friday...

2001-07-27 Thread Hillman, Alex

Maybe use row security option using DBMS_RLS package - if you on 8i. In this
case you can give users select on the table but restrain them what data thay
can see. And then create views if you need akso restrain columns that they
can see.

Alex Hillman

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Well, thanks to all for the excellent recomendations, but it turns out
to be a moot point.  Access to the data _must_ be constrained by the
security requirements of the system, so I'm turning it over to any
Damagers who haven't departed for the Front 9 yet.

Among the suggestions:  
--grant select with admin option or with grant option to the view
owner.
--grant create view to end users.
--create a stored proc to generate views on the fly in each end users
schema or in the table owner's schema with the necessary grants.

Thanks Again and Happy Friday,

Scott


Scott Shafer wrote:
 
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  I have RTFM'd re: the following problem in HPUX11, Oracle 7.3.3:
 
  --I have user1 who has select privileges on another schema's table
  (user2.tab) through Select Any Table privilege.
 
  --user1 creates a view on user2.tab and grants select on the view to
  other users (user3..n) through a shared role.
 
  --When user3, et al tries to select from the view they get the infamous
  ORA-1720 - Grant option does not exist for xxx.xxx error.
 
  --I know you I can grant select on user2.tab with grant option to user1
  and solve this, but I would rather not do that if at all possible.
 
  --Also, I could create the view as user2 and not have the problem.  The
  issue here is user1 needs to create the above type of views on the fly
  (please! I didn't design it!!!), and with 30 sites to support, there is
  no way to keep up if I have to create the views one by one.
 
  Is there any way around the situation besides the select with grant
  option clause to user1 (view owner)?
  Am I an idiot?
  Are sheep considered dates in TX?
  HELP
 
  Thanks,
 
  Scott Shafer
  San Antonio, TX

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RE: deletion of data from a large table

2001-07-26 Thread Hillman, Alex

Great discussion. Reminds me of lazydba list.

Alex Hillman

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Hi folks,

Rick Cale was correct in saying that a truncate would release the storage by
default.
The only other option is to drop and recreate the table.

Oracle will only release allocated storage when it is specifically asked to.
The overhead on having a process monitoring which space it can drop would be
prohibitive and needless. ( Imagine an example where an interface table is
constantly filled and emptied - do you really want the storage to be
constantly
allocated and deallocated? ).

Coalescing the tablespace will group adjacent free extents together but will
have no effect on allocated blocks.

Regards,
Mike Hately,
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Rukmini,

Try to do coalesce on the tablespace on which the table is sitting in after
deleting rows.

alter tablespace TSNAME coalesce;

Baskar


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Hi All,
   I have deleted 3 lakhs records from a large table. But there is no effect
on tablespace i.e. before I delete the data freespace in TS is 100MB , after
deletion also it is showing 100MB. What could be the reason ? How to get the
freespace after deleting the data ?
Thanks
rukmini




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RE: OT, It's all about Alex

2001-07-26 Thread Hillman, Alex

Chris, I would post my presentation on the list and maybe somebody will be
able to decipher what I tried to present :-)(hint - locally managed
tablespaces, temporary tablespaces and global temporary tables) but I think
it will not be appreciated by the list owner and also because it is in PP
format I don't think list software will allow it - so one way is to send me
e-mail (please offline - [EMAIL PROTECTED]) and I will reply with
presentation or wait until it will be posted on www.maop.org  

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Alex did great.  I learned a lot...err...just not sure what I learned.
(grin)

Unfortunely, I had to miss his second presentation.

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Alex, how did the paper/present go?

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Maybe some spelling errors in the abstract -:)

Alex Hillman

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What is required to submit a paper/presentation to IOUGA and get excepted.

Walking on water and developing software from a specification are easy if
both are frozen.

Christopher R. Spence
Oracle DBA
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IOUG 2002 call for papers already.


Submit your presentation via the IOUG-A Web site at
http://www.ioug.org/call-m no later than FRIDAY, SEPTEMBER 14, 2001. Mini
Lesson and Technical Session presenters receive complimentary registration
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need procedure to extract DDL for table

2001-07-26 Thread Hillman, Alex

Does anybody have stored procedure or PL/SQL script to extract DDL for  the
table?

Alex Hillman
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catparr.sql

2001-07-26 Thread Hillman, Alex

Is there any sense to run catparr.sql if I do not use OPS?

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RE: OT, WOW really early

2001-07-25 Thread Hillman, Alex

Maybe some spelling errors in the abstract -:)

Alex Hillman

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What is required to submit a paper/presentation to IOUGA and get excepted.

Walking on water and developing software from a specification are easy if
both are frozen.

Christopher R. Spence
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IOUG 2002 call for papers already.


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RE: Locally managed tablespaces

2001-07-20 Thread Hillman, Alex

It does not need to do it. Also SMON will coalesce only if pctincrease0 and
this is not a good idea.

Alex Hillman

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consider this also..
if u make a tablespace as LMT, the SMON process is not going to coalesce it
automatically..
as it in the case of dictionary managed TS.

if i'm wrong.. pls correct.

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 Yes, you can make any tablespace a locally-managed tablespace except
SYSTEM.
 What they're saying, I think, is that you can't set up temporary
tablespaces
 and shouldn't set up rollback segments with the AUTOALLOCATE allocation
 management.

 Jon Walthour

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  I was pretty sure you could use it for any TS but SYSTEM. Is this
 documented?
 
  Cheers,
 
  Earl
 
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  On Thu, 19 Jul 2001 09:32:27
   Hillman, Alex wrote:
  You canuse any storage parameters you like but oracle will ignore them
 exept
  for initial for LMT with autoallocate. I would personally do not use
  autoallocate. Also you cannot use autoallocate for temporary tablespace
 and
  shouldn't use it for rollback.
  
  Alex Hillman
  
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  HPUX 11i 64 bit
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  I am creating a new database and decided to go with locally managed
  tablespaces.  I was going to go with autoallocate because the best I
can
  tell the only possible drawback with this is a little wasted space.
  However, I was under the impression that you could not specify a next
in
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  storage clause of a table creation.  Yet you can.  So what happens if I
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  a next defined?  Do they pretty much just throw that away or should I
 really
  not define it?
  
  
  
  
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RE: Oracle Apps customization help working with consultants

2001-07-19 Thread Hillman, Alex

Looks like they  are doing most things right. Instead of fighting with them
I would try to learn as much as possible from them.

Alex Hillman

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First some background

We are running on Unix 8.1.6 with 11i Apps.  I know very little about Oracle
Apps and I am the first DBA hired in house who has walked into several
projects mid streams that consultants are working on and they continue to
exclude me from design meeting and I get little or no information about the
project.

A consulting group is customizing 11i Apps.  Part of this involves an EDI
application that will take in files load them into staging tables that then
will be loaded into the appropriate 11i App table.  There are various Oracle
and Crystal Reports that will be extracting information from these tables as
well.  Why use both... go figure... they are using Crystal for some reports
and Oracle Reports for others.  Just like some of the screens are being done
in Forms and some done in ASP.

These custom EDI app tables have 10 attribute columns defined as
varchar2(100) in the middle of the table.  These are extra columns to that
may be used in the future for what ever reason.  I have asked these be
removed and real column names and data types be added as needed.  They
refuse saying they will have to redesign the forms they have created to use
with these tables.  Isn't is reasonable that the Forms should also reflect
real column names not Attribute 1...10?  Isn't it better to add columns to
tables as I need them with an appropriate name and data type?  At the very
least I asked that they put these columns at the end of the table.  They
have agreed to this.   

They are also using a lot of sequences for Primary Keys instead of using
columns from the table that would make an intelligent primary key and would
be unique.  

They also have many columns as NUMBER that could be defined as NUMBER(3) or
NUMBER(4).  Is there any pros or cons to using NUMBER without defining a
data length?   That is besides the obvious that NUMBER you don't have to
worry about losing precision data precision.

Also they use a lot of char(1) in defining what they think will only be one
character fields.  I was under the impression that it was better to use
varchar2(1)?  Any comments...  This is probably a trivial issue but I would
like to know people's opinions.

I am just a bit brain dead from arguing with them anyway about using a
consistence naming convention, including me on the database design, etc.
Even with renaming a column I get We are on a tight schedule and this would
put us behind.   Or this is how Oracle Apps works.  My point is that Oracle
Apps as a generic product and this EDI application shouldn't be made generic
but specific to our company needs.  That is not putting in this Attribute
fields into all the EDI tables, using intelligent keys not sequence numbers,
defining the data length of the NUMBER Fields.  

I am really worried about performance since I will have to maintain this in
January after they are long gone.   

Any help or suggestions would be appreciated.  Any good books to get me
quickly up to speed on how to tune Oracle Apps?

Thanks very much.

Kathy


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RE: Locally managed tablespaces

2001-07-19 Thread Hillman, Alex

You canuse any storage parameters you like but oracle will ignore them exept
for initial for LMT with autoallocate. I would personally do not use
autoallocate. Also you cannot use autoallocate for temporary tablespace and
shouldn't use it for rollback.

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HPUX 11i 64 bit
Oracle 8.1.7.1 32 bit

I am creating a new database and decided to go with locally managed
tablespaces.  I was going to go with autoallocate because the best I can
tell the only possible drawback with this is a little wasted space.
However, I was under the impression that you could not specify a next in the
storage clause of a table creation.  Yet you can.  So what happens if I have
a next defined?  Do they pretty much just throw that away or should I really
not define it?




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RE: RE: New Listener Question

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sort segments

2001-07-18 Thread Hillman, Alex

Are there any circumstances when temporary tablespace can contain more than
1 sort segment?

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RE: New Listener Question

2001-07-17 Thread Hillman, Alex

In 8i you do not need to include services in the listener. Listener itself
can find out what databases are running and need it services

Alex Hillman

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First Off, I would like to thank everyone who replied yesterday, your
answers were most helpful!

Today, I am facing a new puzzle.  I am currently running 3 databases on a
server, but only two of them are listed in the listener.ora (bdw and rcvr).
If I do a 'lsnrctl status' it shows a listener for all three databases (bdw
rcvr and webprod).  How is this possible?  I have included my current
listener.ora and output from 'lsnrctl status' ...  Also, people who access
these databases go through VIRTUAL ip's, i.e. the box itself has IP address
xxx.xxx.xxx.11 the bdw ip is xxx.xxx.xxx.31 and the webprod ip is
xxx.xxx.xxx.30
The reason for the virt ip's is for the fail over we have in place, so
people do not have to reconfigure their machines when we move the databases
around.

So by all rights I do not see how anyone can connect, but they are?!?!?!?
WTH???

Thanks again guys ...

# LISTENER.ORA Configuration
File:/apps/oracle/product/816/network/admin/listener.ora
# Generated by Oracle configuration tools.

LISTENER =
  (DESCRIPTION_LIST =
(DESCRIPTION =
  (ADDRESS_LIST =
(ADDRESS = (PROTOCOL = IPC)(KEY = EXTPROC))
  )
  (ADDRESS_LIST =
(ADDRESS = (PROTOCOL = TCP)(HOST = bdw1)(PORT = 1521))
  )
)
(DESCRIPTION =
  (PROTOCOL_STACK =
(PRESENTATION = GIOP)
(SESSION = RAW)
  )
  (ADDRESS = (PROTOCOL = TCP)(HOST = bdw1)(PORT = 2481))
)
  )

SID_LIST_LISTENER =
  (SID_LIST =
(SID_DESC =
  (SID_NAME = PLSExtProc)
  (ORACLE_HOME = /apps/oracle/product/816)
  (PROGRAM = extproc)
)
(SID_DESC =
  (GLOBAL_DBNAME = bdw)
  (ORACLE_HOME = /apps/oracle/product/816)
  (SID_NAME = bdw)
)
(SID_DESC =
  (GLOBAL_DBNAME = rcvr)
  (ORACLE_HOME = /apps/oracle/product/816)
  (SID_NAME = rcvr)
)
  )

oracle@bdw1 SID: bdw /apps/oracle/product/816/network/admin  lsnrctl status

LSNRCTL for Solaris: Version 8.1.6.0.0 - Production on 17-JUL-2001 09:24:30

(c) Copyright 1998, 1999, Oracle Corporation.  All rights reserved.

Connecting to (DESCRIPTION=(ADDRESS=(PROTOCOL=IPC)(KEY=EXTPROC)))
STATUS of the LISTENER

Alias LISTENER
Version   TNSLSNR for Solaris: Version 8.1.6.0.0 -
Production
Start Date10-JUL-2001 15:14:01
Uptime6 days 18 hr. 10 min. 30 sec
Trace Level   off
Security  OFF
SNMP  OFF
Listener Parameter File
/apps/oracle/product/816/network/admin/listener.ora
Listener Log File /apps/oracle/product/816/network/log/listener.log
Services Summary...
  PLSExtProchas 1 service handler(s)
  WEBPROD   has 2 service handler(s)
  bdw   has 1 service handler(s)
  bdw   has 1 service handler(s)
  rcvr  has 1 service handler(s)
The command completed successfully

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RE: Multiple Listeners

2001-07-16 Thread Hillman, Alex

Because the more listeners you have - the better. If your damager ask you
how many listeners you are running and you answer one and he/she ( no sexizm
:-)) heard that someone running 2 or 3 ( from another moro... err damager) -
how would you explain why you are running only one. 

I hope that Ross can add more reasons to run at least 2 or better 3
listeners.

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It is possible to define 3 listeners on 3 different ports, each one
serving another database, but why would you do dat? You have 3 little
databases and one big bad listener whichs huffs and puffs and connects 
your clients to the instance of their choice. What would you benefit from
having 3 listeners?

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 Hello All,
 
 I am currently running Oracle 816 64bit on a Solaris 8 box.  
 I have three
 databases on the system with one LISTENER for all of them.  
 Is it possible
 to configure multiple listeners, one for each database?  We 
 have tried in
 the past with no success... If there is a document on the web 
 somebody could
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 but must not be
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RE: view contents of datafile

2001-07-12 Thread Hillman, Alex

I change it a little bit.

select a.tablespace_name, a.file_name, decode(b.file_id, NULL, 'No', 'Yes')
from dba_data_files a,
 (select distinct a.file_id from dba_data_files a, dba_extents b
where a.file_id = b.file_id) b
where a.file_id = b.file_id (+)
order by 1,2

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This seems to work for me:


select a.tablespace_name, a.file_name, nvl(b.used,'No')
from dba_data_files a, 
 (select distinct a.file_id FILE_ID, 'Yes' USED from dba_data_files
a, dba_extents b where a.file_id = b.file_id) b
where a.file_id = b.file_id (+)  
order by 1,2 

When I specify a specific set of tablespaces on my system I get :


select a.tablespace_name, a.file_name, nvl(b.used,'No')
from dba_data_files a, 
 (select distinct a.file_id FILE_ID, 'Yes' USED from dba_data_files
a, dba_extents b where a.file_id = b.file_id) b
where a.file_id = b.file_id (+)  
and a.tablespace_name in ('XPRPI','XPRPT')
order by 1,2 

XPRPI   /u07/oradata/DEMO/xprpi02.dbf   No
XPRPI   /u08/oradata/DEMO/xprpi01.dbf   Yes
XPRPT   /u02/oradata/DEMO/xprpi02.dbf   Yes
XPRPT   /u04/oradata/DEMO/xprpt03.dbf   Yes
XPRPT   /u06/oradata/DEMO/xprpt02.dbf   Yes
XPRPT   /u07/oradata/DEMO/xprpt01.dbf   Yes

This is consistant since I just added the first file.



And, yes, there are utilities to look at the datafile.   Oracle's Enterprise
Manager's Performance pack had a tool that will do that 

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If my tablespace became so big that it had 3 datafiles
and became so fragmented, then I export and import
the whole databse, how can I tell if the REORG only
used up one or two datafiles.

OR is there a utility to see contents of a datafile?

Joe
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RE: 9i standby

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RE: A danger in cloning databases

2001-07-11 Thread Hillman, Alex

Use localhost as hostname in listener.ora and you will never have this
problem.

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Jay,

Did that several months ago with our HP-MPE box.  The problem was that
we
changed the IP address of the box and brought a new one online, with the old
ones original IP.  Now MPE has NO idea of what a DNS server is so one has to
bury the actual IP address into things like listener.ora and tnsnames.ora.
We
had a pile of this smelly brown matter all over the place the next evening
when
the new development box ran it's nightly processes.  OOPS!!!

Dick Goulet

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Many of you probably know this already, but it took me by surprise (and
caused no end of grief) so I thought I'd warn people.

I cloned our 8.0.4 production database onto another machine for some testing
we were doing (copy of entire Oracle filesystem, copied hot backup over) and
started it up with no problems.

What I didn't realize when I ran my shutdown script (which also stops the
listener) was that I hadn't changed the hostname in listener.ora.  It
stopped the listener on the production box!

Had you asked me before this happened I wouldn't have expected it to work
that way, but a number of irate users and managers testify to the fact that
it does.  I restarted the listener as soon as anyone thought to notify me of
the problem (it says something about the processes here that it was 45
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me about the problem, I first heard about it from a developer).

Sigh, learn something new every day.
Hope someone out there benefits from my mistake.

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RE: Second RBS in system tablespace

2001-07-11 Thread Hillman, Alex

Also you need rollback segment in system when creating database if your
rollback tablespace is LMT.

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Hello,

SYSTEM rbs is reserved actions against the SYSTEM tablespace.

There are some mis-conceptions against this issue.

Actions against the SYSTEM tablespace can use non-SYSTEM rbs, too.

For example, Recursive transactions,in other words: Oracle kernel
transactions
by SYS users, do not always have to use SYSTEM rbs.

SYSTEM rbs is the last statation if there is no available slot in rbs in
which
current user transaction is assigned. So, Oracle kernel does not have to
compete with user transactions.

hope this helps...

Kevin Lange wrote:

 As a guess I would think it was because the system tablespace is so active
 with all the queries against the catalog.

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 I'm running 8.1.7 and i just read that i should have a second rollback
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 Can someone tell me why this is and how big should i create it?
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RE: gzip does not want to work with files 2G

2001-07-10 Thread Hillman, Alex

I use version 1.3 for Solaris 5.8 - it is the same version that is on
www.sunfreeware.com What version do you use and for which version on
Solaris?


Alex Hillman

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What version of gzip are you using?  I had the same problem before, just had
to get the latest version.

Richard Ji

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I have Solaris 5.8 angzip does not want to work with files  2G - tells that
file is too large. Anybody has any idea why?

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db-links question

2001-07-09 Thread Hillman, Alex

If I query table in the remote database using database link does user in the
remote database which is referenced in the database link  create session in
the remote database and if not could somebody explain how remote query is
executed.

Alex Hillman

P.S. I know that I could try it myself but I am layzy (sp?) and tired
(fighting with Ross for access to printing presses :-) )
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RE: Oracle support phone number

2001-07-09 Thread Hillman, Alex

Thanks to everybody who replied.

Alex Hillman

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Could somebody give me support 800 or long dist. phone number. I know that I
need to log itar first but this is a damagement request and I cannot find
mine.

Alex Hillman

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gzip does not want to work with files 2G

2001-07-09 Thread Hillman, Alex

I have Solaris 5.8 angzip does not want to work with files  2G - tells that
file is too large. Anybody has any idea why?

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export in cron

2001-07-06 Thread Hillman, Alex

I beleave I asked this question already but did not get any answers.

If I run export from cron and somehow userid is incorrect or dump file name
is incorrect ( let say somebody renamed directory) - process of export is
stopped. Is it possible to catch this situation in the same script that
called export and if not - how to catch it?

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RE: export in cron

2001-07-06 Thread Hillman, Alex

Problem is that when export is stopped it does not return control to the
script.

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If I understood what you want clearly,
In the same shell script, immediately after export command,have some grep
command to look for errors in
export log file.Depending on the sucess/failure($?) of grepping, have
commands
to do whatever you want.

hth,
Suren

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I beleave I asked this question already but did not get any answers.

If I run export from cron and somehow userid is incorrect or dump file name
is incorrect ( let say somebody renamed directory) - process of export is
stopped. Is it possible to catch this situation in the same script that
called export and if not - how to catch it?

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RE: How to implement and use DBMS_STATS?

2001-07-06 Thread Hillman, Alex

He asked about DBMS_STATS - not STATSPACK. I do not know any other source
except docs and metalink describing DBMS_STATS. 

Alex Hillman

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Don Burleson just released (via Oracle Press) and entire BOOK on using 
STATSPACK.




From: Jesse, Rich [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Subject: How to implement and use DBMS_STATS?
Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2001 08:20:56 -0800

OK, enough is enough.  For a month now, I've been researching on how one is
supposed to implement and use the DBMS_STATS package.  The FMs I R'd, 
Oracle
8.1.7's Designing and Tuning for Performance and Supplied PL/SQL 
Packages
Reference, give the syntax and some very weak and incomplete examples, but
fail to define how a DBA is actually supposed to USE the package in
day-to-day operation.

And Oracle Support just keeps pointing me back to inane and unrelated
articles in MetaClink.

Can anyone point out a website or a good book with a chapter on using
DBMS_STATS for CBO?  Specifically, some good examples, some definitions
(when are stats considered stale?), what is the scope of
GATHER_DATABASE_STATS (does it stat SYS???), under what circumstances
GATHER_TABLE, GATHER_SCHEMA, and GATHER_DATABASE are to be used, and
generally how the hell one goes about implementing this.  I've now got less
than two weeks to figure it out!

And if you know this, where did you learn it?  Even my Oracle Perf Tuning
Class student guide mentions the package, says to use it, but then points 
to
the syntax-only Oracle docs for more info.  sigh

Frustratedly yours,
Rich Jesse  System/Database Administrator 
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RE: SAP R3 and Locally Managed Tablespaces

2001-07-06 Thread Hillman, Alex

Maybe in the versions that they sertified LMT bugs were not fixed yet. What
DB version do you use and on what platform?

Alex Hillman

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In working with our SAP consultant, I've discovered that SAP may not
yet support the use of LMT's on Oracle.  Yes I know that SAP should
not really care about this, but SAP seems to care about a number of
things that would be best left to the DBA.

Does anyone have experience with SAP and LMT's?

TIA

Jared


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RE: How to implement and use DBMS_STATS?

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RE: SAP R3 and Locally Managed Tablespaces

2001-07-06 Thread Hillman, Alex

I am working with Peoplesoft now. It is easy enough to change tablespace
description in Peoplesoft DD to LMT, change tablespace assignment for
specific tables etc. I am going soon to implement LMT on 8.1.7 and also move
part of insexes to different index tablespace. There is no problems with
future upgrade if changes made in the Peoplesoft DD. Also I think that it
was done pretty smart - description of objects in Peoplesoft DD and
generation of DDL and SQL statements from this DD.

Alex Hillman

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Jared,

I can't say that I have used LMT's with our SAP installation, however, I 
constantly modify storage parameters, and I really don't see a difference.  
That being said, I know how much of a control-freak SAP is.  The problem is 
that SAP puts tables/indexes in certain tablespaces based on functionality.

For example, the BTABD tablespace contains all transaction, heavy I/O 
tables, while the STABD tablespace contains all master data and transparent 
tables, etc.  So if you organize LMT's based on size/storage 
characteristics, you would have to have multiple BTABD, STABD, etc. 
tablespaces.  That would be the only thing I can see SAP being nervous 
about.  In order to do table reorgs, I do this in the sense that I have a 
BTABD and a BTAB2D tablespace that I reorg the table to/from.  Sorry if you 
already knew all this, but maybe others would benefit.

Jim

 
 In working with our SAP consultant, I've discovered that SAP may not
 yet support the use of LMT's on Oracle.  Yes I know that SAP should
 not really care about this, but SAP seems to care about a number of
 things that would be best left to the DBA.
 
 Does anyone have experience with SAP and LMT's?
 
 TIA
 
 Jared
 
 
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RE: Schema organization

2001-07-05 Thread Hillman, Alex

So what your DDL triggers are doing. And if they do not allow DDL to work
how you can execute DDL - disabling these triggers?

Alex Hillman

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i try to play by the same rule as you.

but if i can't then i put the ddl triggers on the tables owned by the
schema owner, which keeps at least the strucutures from being altered.

joe
paquette stephane wrote:
 
 Hi all,
 
 I'm a fan of having the processing done by a user
 different than the owner of the data.
 Am I alone ?
 
 For example, we're on a datawarehouse system where the
 data owner is DWH. The etl tool repository owner is
 TOOL_POWERMART and the reporting tool repository owner
 is TOOL_BOWEBI. The etl processing is done by user
 DWH_PM_TRTMNT and the reporting processing is done by
 user DWH_BO_TRTMNT.
 
 This way, nobody is connecting as the data's owner.
 The developpers and Informatica (Powermart) consultant
 would prefer working directly as DWH.
 
 What do you think ?
 
 =
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RE: can/do indexes chain?

2001-07-05 Thread Hillman, Alex

Update in the index is done as delete and insert, so there is no chaining.

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I've been asked to create an index which combines two fields, date 
location.
For reasons I don't really want to explain, we need/desire this index to
be in the order of date, location. The minor gotcha is that while location
will be populated at the time the record is created, the date field is not
updated until a later point in time. This date is a document print date.
So this date field will be going from a NULL value to a non-null value.
I recognize that this can result in record chaining in the data table.
In thinking about this, I realized this could have a similar affect
within the index. However, I've never read anything about index chaining.

Do/can indexes chain? 
Should I be concerned about this?


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RE: PFILE location in NT

2001-07-03 Thread Hillman, Alex
Title: PFILE location in NT



It was 
true for versions before 8.1. Beginning with 8.1 default is the same as in unix 
- $ORACLE_HOME/dbs

Alex 
Hillman

  -Original Message-From: DEMANCHE Luc (Cetelem) 
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  PFILE location in NT
  Hi 
  Shahid,
  
  Did 
  you specify a PFILE parameter in your startup ?
  If 
  not, on NT, the default location for the parameter file is 
  ORACLE_HOME\database. Your database is using the file in this 
  location.
  
  Luc
  
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PFILE location in NT
Hi all, I have two parameter files 
in two different directories on the same machine. Is there a way I can find 
out which parameter file is being used by the database.
One way I tried was to make the changes in one file and see 
if it takes effect when the database is restarted. but I have more than 52 
machines and it will be time consuming to do the same for all machines 
especially when these machines are on remote locations.
Thanks. Shahid. 
  


RE: Select only one of three tables

2001-07-03 Thread Hillman, Alex
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RE: SGA, miscellaneous keeps growing...

2001-07-03 Thread Hillman, Alex

I was told by Metalink that I do not have access to this section on
Metalink. How did you searched for it?

Alex Hillman

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I found this in the metalink today since we plan to upgrade to 8.1.7.1:
 
Try this thread:


http://metalink.oracle.com/metalink/plsql/ml2_documents.showFOR?p_id=115437.
996p_showHeader=1p_showHelp=1

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Thank you, Kimberly,

I've doublechecked the bug (did you mean this one 8171  [BUG:1240484]
Shared server memory leak on repeated connect/disconnect ?), it doesn't
seem  applicable to my case - I dont use MTS, dedicated only. 
Thank you anyway, I feel more confidence to iTAR now, this is very likely
some bug.

Have a good day, 

Vadim


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It's a bug.  The bug fix is out there. It seems to come from
connect/disconnect.  

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Hello, dear listers,

I've got 8.1.7.1 installation on RH6.2 here. 

Runs smoothly, but I noted strange trend - SGA shared pool miscellaneous
permanently keeps growing, approx rate 1MB per day. No suspicious messages
in alert.log, no udumps.
I've to bounce database to free this memory. Fortunately, now I can schedule
this every weekend, but the fact itself troubles me. Nothing on Metalink.
What looks specific about this database, I've got job using UTL_HTTP many
times per day ...
Did anybody experience this problem? Any idea where to look at?

Thank you 
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RE: Sql question

2001-06-29 Thread Hillman, Alex

I am sure you can get this with one of analitical functions.

Alex Hillman

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I want to get every date between two user entered date's whether or not it
exists in the table and then the quantity of data for the date if any
exists.
My table t1 has date and quantity values (may be more than one quantity
field per date)
and I want 0 for all dates in the range where no data exists.
Is there a sql to get this without making some kind of date table?
so if the user enters 03/02/01 and 03/06/01 they get.
03/02/0110
03/03/011
03/04/010
03/05/010
03/06/018
They want to load into a spreadsheet.
tia.
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RE: Wher is an error ?

2001-06-28 Thread Hillman, Alex

Thanks to everybody who answered. I had 2 errors - first I needed to put
spaces before and after = and next I named the script as test and my
directory was not first in the PATH and I did not use ./test - so it picked
different test - Was too tired in the end of the day (or maybe this is
something different :-) )

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17:17:14:oracle8i@coin-app:/u07/export8i:ORUNDEF
513- userid=xxy
17:17:26:oracle8i@coin-app:/u07/export8i:ORUNDEF
514- if [ $userid=xxx ]; then echo 'aaa'; else echo 'bbb'; fi
aaa
17:17:51:oracle8i@coin-app:/u07/export8i:ORUNDEF
515-


why does it print aaa instead of bbb?

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RE: authid definer

2001-06-28 Thread Hillman, Alex

What is authid definer? Every day  something new.

Alex Hillman

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One of our app development teams started out with lots of pl/sql and
role based security, and found that roles are useless cause you have to
grant the table level privs anyway to get the procedures to work.

We are considering switching to Authid Definer for several reasons:
- Roles need only contain execute privs for the procedures (no table
level grants required)
- private synonyms not needed anymore (all objects are resolved in the
definers schema)
- No need for  table level GRANTs any more (cause all procedures/funcs
run as the table/proc owner)
Sounds too good to be true. Any gotchas to switching to authid Definer?
Is this the preferred direction for app development, rather than the
role/table grants nightmare?

Rgds
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RE: Fragmentation Locally Managed Tablespaces

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RE: Number of books sold 10000

2001-06-28 Thread Hillman, Alex

I am simply qurious - what kind of book is successful and why.

Alex Hillman

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Hello Alex,

Is there a reason you are asking this question? Are you thinking of
proposing a book?

Ingram (http://www.ingram.com), a large book distributor, used to have
a phone number that you could dial, punch in an ISBN number, and then
hear Ingram's sales figures for that book for the current month. But
that's only Ingram, and I don't know the number, nor do I know whether
the service is still available. Most publishers don't divulge sales
figures.

Best regards,

Jonathan Gennick   
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Wednesday, June 27, 2001, 4:17:07 PM, you wrote:
HA I am curious if data available of number of Oracle books copies sold.
Sorry
HA for being incredibly rude because this is apparently another thinly
vailed
HA attempt to find out how much money certain authors make :-) 


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RE: OT 24 x 7 on NT - ot

2001-06-28 Thread Hillman, Alex
Title: RE: OT 24 x 7 on NT - ot



At 
least your memory is good :-)

Alex 
Hillman

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  OT 24 x 7 on NT - ot
  Lisa, my fine-feathered friend, i would have no idea what to write 
  about. Clearly
  not 
  oracle. And since i'd probably self-publish, I'd likely have to go mano 
  a mano
  with 
  Alex Hillman on the printing presses. It wouldn't be pretty, and besides, I 
  still
  owe 
  him a lunch. 
  
  So...that leaves not much in the hopper. I am open to suggestions that 
  do not
  involve me wearing speedos, passing by mirrors, or being available 
  while the
  sun 
  is up. 
  
  sigh
  
  Ah 
  well, back to tweaking the nanokernel assembler extensions for the russian 
  mafia. 
  
  - 
  Ross
  
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ot
Ross, have you ever considered 
becoming an author? I would 
buy your book :) 
Lisa Koivu Data Bored Administrator Ft. Lauderdale, FL, USA 

  -Original Message- From: Mohan, Ross [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2001 3:50 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: OT 24 x 7 on NT? 
  Everything. The whole Coast Guard. Everything 
  just turned blue and froze. 
  Then, someone using oracle with "read 
  consistency" was able to order a replacement ship simultaneously with the guy who was removing the 
  last ship from inventory, but 
  fortunately for the USCG, Oracle doesn't let "writers block readers", so the order went through but was never 
  fulfilled. 
  Now, they're running DB2 on VMS on realtime 
  nanokernel OS kiosks. 
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  The software or the ship? 
  --Walt Weaver  Bozeman, Montana, USA 
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Number of books sold 10000

2001-06-27 Thread Hillman, Alex

I am curious if data available of number of Oracle books copies sold. Sorry
for being incredibly rude because this is apparently another thinly vailed
attempt to find out how much money certain authors make :-) 

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RE: OT RE: 24 x 7 on NT?

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RE: Griping about auditing (not the Oracle Kind)

2001-06-26 Thread Hillman, Alex
 extents and growing rapidly was far more likely to cause problems
was
 rejected on the grounds of if it ain't broke don't fix it.  If you say it
 is broke then why is it we aren't having any problems?

 I wasn't looking for confirmation that this is silly (I know it is) so
much
 as just wondering if anyone else has had to deal with this level of
 bureaucracy.  And maybe a little commiseration :)

 Thanks for helping me get it off my chest,
 Jay Miller

 -Original Message-
 Sent: Monday, June 25, 2001 11:07 AM
 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L


 One of the reasons DBA's are paid well is that they have total control
over
 the production data.  No matter what rules the auditors put in place, a
DBA
 could manipulate the data if they wanted to.  The company should trust you
 to do your job and not put up read blocks that prevent you from
maintaining
 the database and making changes in a timely manner.



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 We've been through an internal audit and I was just wondering if anyone
else
 has to deal with the rather ludicrous requirements I now have.  In order
to
 add or resize a datafile I now need to fill out a form and get Senior VP
 approval and the alert logs must be reviewed every day by a non-DBA in
order
 to be certain that I didn't make any database changes without such
approval.
 The auditors were horrified to discover that not only did I do such things
 whenever I thought them necessary but that we didn't have a non-DBA review
 everything I did after an Oracle upgrade to ensure I didn't install any
 other software.
 Fortunately I managed to convince them that yes, I really did need a Unix
 login (they were skeptical).

 So, any similar horror stories?

 Jay Miller
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Storage allocation for LOB and LONG datatypes

2001-06-25 Thread Hillman, Alex

I have several questions answers for wich I couldn't find in FM (not that I
tried too hard :-) ).

1. If LONG or LOB takes more than 1 block - how part of the last block left
free is used? Can it be used to store part of another LONG or LOB which more
thatn this free peace? I think not but not tested.

2. What happens if LONG or LOB  is updated? (again longer than 1 block).
Which blocks are moved? Chained or migrated?

3. How rollback and redo generated for update? And how much?

4. Anything else interesting that I did not mention?

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RE: Griping about auditing (not the Oracle Kind)

2001-06-25 Thread Hillman, Alex
Title: RE: Griping about auditing (not the Oracle Kind)



I 
suggest CYA as much as possible and escalate the issue and begin search 
foranother job. Also if you are an FTE - now is a good time to go on 
vacation or become sick. Because if something breaks damagement knows much 
better how to avoid responsibility than we (at least most of us) are. For 
example it can be said that you did not explained an issue well enough etc. And 
you will show your e-mail to the damager of the damager who knows even less 
about Oracle.

Alex 
Hillman (incredibly rude and cinical)



  -Original Message-From: Bowes, Chris 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Monday, June 25, 2001 5:06 
  PMTo: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-LSubject: RE: 
  Griping about auditing (not the Oracle Kind)
  In a perfect world or even a sucky world, yes. But the 
  nightmare scenerio that was laid out wouldn't allow proactivity on their part. 
  The inconvenient time thing was due to the fact that the proactive items they 
  wanted to to do were rejected. They had a table that was diagnosed with 
  too small extents and they wanted a bigger extent size. They submitted 
  paperwork and a non-tech management type said 'no'. Does he disobey the 
  rules and risk getting fired? They made other requests for day-to-day 
  events and possible problems. They were rejected because "you cannot do 
  that many changes". Do they risk their jobs and do what is needed, 
  knowing eventually someone *WILL* find out and at that point they can/will be 
  terminated for insubordination and failure to follow process or at least 
  slapped down big for it? 
  In all situations I had seen until here, I would say, yes, 
  proactivity is a must and I know that we can look at any one item and get 
  around rules that get our way. When it becomes a corporate culture, you 
  really need to get the policy eliminated. The way to do that is to allow 
  the people who can make these stupid decisions suffer. He simply said 
  "OK, if that's the way you want to play it, then I'll do what you say. I 
  will follow your rules and not fix things I see wrong because *you say I 
  can't*. Of course, you wouldn't know a database problem if it jumped up 
  and bit you and said, 'Hi I am a database problem', but that's 
  irrelevant. I will do it your way and fix it when it breaks and 
  you're franticly signing off on the same paperwork you rejected x days/months 
  ago. Just don't expect a friendly call at 2 am when it 
  happens..." 
   I agree, we need to be proactive, 
  however, the way I read this issue, they were proactive and lots of times when 
  they made suggestions, they were rejected and their proactivity was rendered 
  moot by people who have no clue. When that happens, it is wise to make 
  them feel some pain for the decisions they make.
  --Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
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  Kimberly, 
  We're on the same wavelength, as I was thinking the same 
  thing. 
  Procrastinating on something that you know needs to be 
  done is not an ethical way of dealing with this, 
  IMO. 
  Jared 
   
   
  Kimberly 
  Smith 
   
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  cc: 
   
  Sent 
  by: 
  Subject: RE: Griping about auditing (not the Oracle 
  Kind)  
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  AM 
   
  Please respond 
  to 
   
  ORACLE-L 
   
   
  
  I say that if you wait until you database has an error you 
  really aren't proving much except that you are not 
  proactive in your job. Which, in my book, makes you 
  not a very good DBA. Dealing with a dumb process 
  is one thing (we have our fair share on this account) but I take to much pride in my work to let things fail because I 
  need to fill in a piece of paper. 
  -Original Message- Sent: 
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  of list ORACLE-L 
  Wahey !!! The answer I was going to provide. We started 
  calling the manager up quite frequently at home to 
  authorise changes - he eventually saw sense. Not quite 
  as bad as 2am in the morning but inconvenient enough for him to 
  put a stop to it. 
  Best of Luck. 
  -Original Message- Sent: 25 
  June 2001 17:07 To: Multiple recipients of list 
  ORACLE-L 
  Jay;  I have had to go thru the 
  same thing a couple times on a previous job with Auditors. Every time those kind of 
  restrictions were placed on us it brought things to a 
  snails pace or, in some conditions, a complete halt. Sooner or later they realized that it was unreasonable and lifted 
  them. But it was a pain until 
  they did it. 
  It took them a while to realize that we HAD to work the way we 
  did in order to keep things running smoothly. 
  
  I 

How to suppress export, import intractivity

2001-06-22 Thread Hillman, Alex

I run script in the background which contain export command. If userid wrong
it give me message that job stopped
(bash). Process is stopped and I can see it using ps command. Apparently it
waits that username be entered interactively. I need automatically to
terminate the process and print message in the log.  Anybody have any
suggestions?

Alex Hillman


This is a printowt of the log.

Export: Release 8.1.7.0.0 - Production on Fri Jun 22 10:43:34 2001

(c) Copyright 2000 Oracle Corporation.  All rights reserved.


EXP-00056: ORACLE error 1017 encountered
ORA-01017: invalid username/password; logon denied
Username: -- STARTED PSDEV export @ Fri Jun 22 11:00:03 EDT 2001

Export: Release 8.1.7.0.0 - Production on Fri Jun 22 11:00:03 2001

(c) Copyright 2000 Oracle Corporation.  All rights reserved.


EXP-00056: ORACLE error 1017 encountered
ORA-01017: invalid username/password; logon denied
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RE: OT - interviewing your superior

2001-06-21 Thread Hillman, Alex

This guy may be very good to work for if the pay is hourly. Immediately cut
all bs. And even if there is a lot of stupid things one has to do - at least
one is paid.

Alex Hillman

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no, the DBA is god.

Okay, serious thought -- ask if they follow a project or people management 
style.

The difference? project management is mostly concerned with GETTING IT DONE,

with little or no regard for how ridiculous the deadlines are or how many 
hours the people are working. Prime example of this (and a job I did NOT 
take) is an interview I went on where the boss told me he believed in 
working his people until they were burned out, then he'd get new ones

people management is subtler -- you make sure the people are professional, 
you make sure they are rewarded for the work they do, that you give them a 
day off on occasion, and work on reasonable deadline setting. Example?  I 
started the Monday of Thanksgiving week. My boss said to me if you can get 
the reports working by Wednesday, you can have the day after Thanksgiving 
off... worked my butt off for that woman





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1)  Do you realize that I am God, and you will always bow to my will?

Scott Shafer
San Antonio, TX
210-581-6217

I hate the country, all those animals walking around un-cooked.

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  Subject:OT - interviewing your superior
 
  I am in a position to interview candidates who will ultimately be my
  boss.
 
  I am the net admin in a mixed Unix/Win/Linux environment, with Oracle
  databases, but no DBA (very simple databases).
 
  My question is for 'example' questions to ask these guys to get a full
  grasp of their management styles, political abilities, technical
  competencies, etc.  Any suggestions would be useful.
 
  Thanks.
 
  Daniel Curry
  Systems Administrator
 
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RE: Prompt in Korn shell

2001-06-21 Thread Hillman, Alex

Thanks everybody who answered.

Alex Hillman

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Anybody knows how to show current working directory and in general shell
variable in Korn shell that prompt change when variable changes - for
current working directory and ORACLE_SID for example. I know how to do it in
bash but cannot do it right in Korn.

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RE: Prompt in Korn shell

2001-06-21 Thread Hillman, Alex

Now I have another problem.

export PS1='$LOGNAME@$HOST:$PWD:${ORACLE_SID:-ORUNDEF}\n!-' - result is:

oracle8i@coin-app:/u01/app/psoft/PSTEST/appserv:PSTESTn133-

instead of 

oracle8i@coin-app:/u01/app/psoft/PSTEST/appserv:PSTEST
133-

Looks like it does not understand \n as a new line character.

Any ideas please.

Alex Hillman



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Anybody knows how to show current working directory and in general shell
variable in Korn shell that prompt change when variable changes - for
current working directory and ORACLE_SID for example. I know how to do it in
bash but cannot do it right in Korn.

Alex Hillman
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RE: What the difference between qio and direct I/O option in VxFS

2001-06-20 Thread Hillman, Alex

How do you specify direct I/O option in /etc/vfstab?

Alex Hillman

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VxFS



Direct I/O is enabled simply be specifying in the
mount options in /etc/vfstab (on Solaris).  You can do
it even with standard ufs volumes.  As long as you
have vxfs then you can also have vxfs with direct IO

Quick I/O is the separately licensed bit I think - it
should also outperform Direct I/O.

Still - I'm a fan of raw over either...

Cheers
Connor

--- KC [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  Connor,
 
 Thanks for the info. Is Direct I/O licensed with the
 Veritas Volume manager
 or the Database edition?? We want to be able to
 avoid double buffering,
 sound like Direct I/O is what we want, however our
 SysAdmin insisted that we
 need to purchase the Database edition, I thought
 Direct I/O came with the
 VxFS file system, maybe the SysAdmin confused Direct
 I/O to raw ,please
 clarify??
 
 KC
 
 
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 Direct IO is the capacity to perform operations
 without the data being passed through the Unix
 buffer
 cache (it goes straight to/from the disks to the
 Oracle buffer cache)
 
 Quick IO is Veritas's simulation of raw datafiles -
 it
 presents the file to Oracle as if it were raw.
 
 hth
 connor
 
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  What the difference between qio and direct I/O
  option in Veritas file system VxFS??
 
  KC
 
 
 
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export of longs

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Am I correct that in 7.3.4 it was not possible to do  direct export for
tables with LONG datatypes and there is no such  restriction in 8i? I tried
8i and it worked. I checked the docs for 7.3.4 and it does not tell that you
cannot export LONGs with direct option, but I remember 2 years ago I
couldn't do it in 7.3.3 when I tried.

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Prompt in Korn shell

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Anybody knows how to show current working directory and in general shell
variable in Korn shell that prompt change when variable changes - for
current working directory and ORACLE_SID for example. I know how to do it in
bash but cannot do it right in Korn.

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RE: Redo latch contention

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RE: Redo latch contention

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RE: JDeveloper Connection to Oracle DB

2001-06-18 Thread Hillman, Alex

JDBC thin driver does not use Net8. Another JDBC driver uses Net8 - OCI
calls.

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Elias,

I don't know much about JDBC, but I suspect that like
ODBC it sits on top of the Net8 layer.  By default,
Personal Oracle on Win95/98 doesn't automatically
start the listener the way the TNSlistener service
does on NT/Win2K, so try manually starting the
listener from the command prompt:

lsnrctl start

You can set the listener to start up up automatically
by changing the registry entry LISTENER_STARTUP to
AUTO
  hkey_local_machine\oracle\home0

HTH,

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RE: Sort_multiblock_read_count

2001-06-15 Thread Hillman, Alex

This is from Metalink

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The sort_multiblock_read_count parameter was introduced in Oracle8i. The
parameter is similiar to db_file_multiblock_read_count in that it specifies
the number of blocks to read at one time, in this case from a temporary
segment, when it is necessary to merge information previously written out to
a temporary segment. If the information needing to be sorted does not fit
into the memory allocated to SORT_AREA_SIZE, sections of data are written to
temporary 
segments in the form of sorted runs. Once all the data has been partially
sorted to these runs, the runs are merged by reading pieces of them (i.e.
based on sort_multiblock_read_count) from the temporary segment into memory
to produce the final sorted output. If 
SORT_AREA_SIZE is not large enough to merge all the runs at once (which is
likely to be the case as it was not large enough to perform the entire sort
in memory to begin with), subsets of the runs are merged in a number of
merge passes. 

Increasing SORT_MULTIBLOCK_READ_COUNT forces a larger section of each run to
be read into memory during a merge pass. Needless to say, this must be
balanced with SORT_AREA_SIZE. This reduces the merge width, or number of
runs that can be merged in one merge pass, and may increase the number of
merge passes. Each merge pass produces an intermediate run on disk, a run
that contains all the data that was part of the runs that were just merged. 

Any increase in I/O throughput obtained by increasing
SORT_MULTIBLOCK_READ_COUNT needs to be balanced with a possible 
increase in total amount of I/O performed due to an increase in the number
of merge passes. So, you would not necessarily set
sort_multiblock_read_count to the number of blocks that comprise an extent. 

--

As usual - many words and no answer how to select the value of this
parameter. What memory is used inmerge phase? How it depends on
SORT_AREA_SIZE? How much memory really lost when we increase this parameter
from 1 to 2 let say etc. Aybody can clarify it? Oracle performance tuning
101 recommend using 1 or 2 whithout explanation (lost during development as
too complicated as also discussion of new aging algorithm for buffer cache
:-) )

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Because it is very possible and likely to have a sort area size much larger
than the max io of the OS.  Most os can only do 64-128k in a single io, not
10-20m.

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both are frozen.

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Hi All,

Reading about the SORT_MULTIBLOCK_READ_COUNT init.ora
parameter, I am wondering why it should ever be
anything smaller or larger than the SORT_AREA_SIZE.
Has anyone changed the default setting of this
parameter for the better?

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RE: Sort_multiblock_read_count

2001-06-15 Thread Hillman, Alex

After my previous post I found good explanation in Steve Adams web site
using search for SORT_MULTIBLOCK_READ_COUNT.

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Because it is very possible and likely to have a sort area size much larger
than the max io of the OS.  Most os can only do 64-128k in a single io, not
10-20m.

Walking on water and developing software from a specification are easy if
both are frozen.

Christopher R. Spence
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Hi All,

Reading about the SORT_MULTIBLOCK_READ_COUNT init.ora
parameter, I am wondering why it should ever be
anything smaller or larger than the SORT_AREA_SIZE.
Has anyone changed the default setting of this
parameter for the better?

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RE: Tuning Sorts

2001-06-15 Thread Hillman, Alex

I would make sort_area_retained_size = your average sort size. Otherwize
your sorts which are executed in memory will dump result after sorting into
temp tablespace and then server process will read it from there to return
rows. Sort allocate memory in chunks of 8K, so you should worry only in case
when there are too many users who are doing large sorts simultaniously. Also
I think memory is freed when records returned ( I am not sure).

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Hi All,

Regarding Sorting.

In my database memory sort is 99% compared to disk
sorts. But the actual number of disk sorts are nearly 
500 to 600 per week. This is a Data warehouse. I have
a few large fact tables ranging from (45GB to 10GB).
Some users do sort on the whole table. The top waits
are
Top 5 Wait Events
~ 
   Wait % Total
Event  
Waits  Time (cs)   Wt Time

  ---
db file scattered read 
3,886,044   22,739,445   65.99
db file sequential read
9,582,4336,583,891   19.11
direct path read   
9,514,5542,805,0848.14
direct path write  
1,250,0331,732,9385.03
SQL*Net more data to client  
735,751  122,820 .36

We have a weekly load into database. but during the
week days no loading is done as all data and index
tablespaces are made readonly. So the direct path read
and write waits are from sort write and reads in the
temp tablespace which uses tempfiles.

DB_BLOCK_SIZE = 16K

My plan is to use IXORA's formula
SQRT(48318382080*65536*2/0.81)  and 
set the SORT_AREA_SIZE = 88423692
SORT_AREA_REATINED_SIZE = 1M
SORT_MULTIBLOCK_READ_COUNT = 4

My concern is that since I have dedicated server
connections  the sort area size allocated in the PGA
will not be returned to the OS (although it is only
for the life of the session) resulting in paging and
swapping if too many users start big sorts.

Please shoot down whatever you think is amiss.  
 

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RE: Reorgs in general

2001-06-15 Thread Hillman, Alex

Reorgs needed not only for space fragmentation but also for block
fragmentation.
Would be interesting to know if anybody has a good automated(scripts) system
to decide for which objects block reorg is needed.

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All,

Oracle's party line has for a while been that for the most
part reorgs aren't necessary anymore, right? Assuming storage
initially has been set decently? Are reorgs very common in
these parts?

Also, even according to those who find reorgs still necessary,
they should completely go away with LMT's, right?

Opinions all?

Thanks,

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RE: Forever running Analyze

2001-06-13 Thread Hillman, Alex



Looks 
like nobody offered to increase sort_area_size for the session that is doing 
analyze -at least to such size that it will require only one merge 
phase. See Steve Adams web site for formula how to calculate the size, but I 
think that 20M should be more than enough.

Alex 
Hillman
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Message-From: Kevin Lange 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2001 5:31 
PMTo: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-LSubject: Forever 
running Analyze

  Hi 
  folks;
   We have an Analyze running that is taking forever. Here is 
  the setup:
   The table is about 250 bytes 
  wide.
   The table is normally100,000 
  rows
   The table has grown to over 4,000,000 
  rows.
   There is one index on 1 column.
   We used the Compute Statistics 
  options
  
  Does 
  anyone have any suggestions on how we can get this analyze to complete and 
  still generate worthwile statistics ??
  
  Thanks
  
  Kevin


RE: Forever running Analyze

2001-06-13 Thread Hillman, Alex



Also 
if you are analyze table compute statistics - you can do several command 
in parallel in different sessions

analyze table ... compute statistics for table
analyze table ... compute statistics for all 
indexes
analyze table ...compute statistics for all indexed 
columns
analyze table 
...compute statistics for col1, col2, etc - for columns 
with squed values

Alex Hillman


  -Original Message-From: Hillman, Alex 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 
  2001 11:07 AMTo: Multiple recipients of list 
  ORACLE-LSubject: RE: Forever running Analyze
  Looks like nobody offered to increase sort_area_size for the session 
  that is doing analyze -at least to such size that it will require 
  only one merge phase. See Steve Adams web site for formula how to calculate 
  the size, but I think that 20M should be more than enough.
  
  Alex 
  Hillman
  [Hillman, Alex]
  -Original 
  Message-From: Kevin Lange 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2001 5:31 
  PMTo: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-LSubject: 
  Forever running Analyze
  
Hi 
folks;
 We have an Analyze running that is taking forever. Here 
is the setup:
 The table is about 250 bytes 
wide.
 The table is normally100,000 
rows
 The table has grown to over 4,000,000 
rows.
 There is one index on 1 
column.
 We used the Compute Statistics 
options

Does anyone have any suggestions on how we can get this analyze to 
complete and still generate worthwile statistics ??

Thanks

Kevin


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