RE: Hot Backup using EMC /BCV splits

2002-08-15 Thread Pass Stephanie

We perform a similar process; but for Read-Only databases.  There are some
gotcha's you have to watch out for.  Otherwise it works well.

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Nate,

We are doing this as well on Solaris w/ Veritas.  Our series is:

1) Put everything in hot backup mode
2) Split all volumes EXCEPT archive
3) Take everything out of hot backup mode
4) Log switch
5) Split Archive

We use this for cloning on a nightly basis and haven't had any 
issues.  However, when we didn't wait on splitting off the offline 
archives I ran into some problems with everything being where it 
should be for recovery (read I was missing the last redo log).  
The problem with "EMC does it all" is that the datafiles
themselves may be inconsistant at the split, hot backup mode forces
consistancy by freezing the scn's (somebody correct me if I'm way
off, but that's my understanding).  

Try asking this, why are we bothering with Hot Backup mode at all?
After all, the datafile "copies" aren't being made during hot backup
mode, so it's a non-event from Oracle's perspective (and don't let
him get away with just dropping hot altogether!).

HtH, 

John P Weatherman
Database Administrator
Replacements Ltd.



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Hello,

We are on IBM AIX 4.3.3  with EMC and BCVs. Our Unix admin has setup the
backups for the database in following sequence to do the Hot backup.

1.  Put all tablespaces in the database in Hot backup mode
2. Sleep 5
3. Put all the tablespaces back into normal mode
4. Split the BCV's
5. Mount on another machine and backed up from it.

What I am concerned is with step 4.  Split BCV's should be done at step 2
instead of step 4.
According to our Unix Admin, EMC takes care of consistency and there is no
need for any concern. As per him the split is instant split and EMC
guarantees consistency.

What do you all think.  What is the recommended procedure.

TIA,

Nate




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RE: host from SQL> prompt

2002-05-21 Thread Pass Stephanie

Product profile has worked to stop this and others since version 6.   It is
very easy to create the table and add a row to disable certain types of
commands.  Don't you just love nosey users  :)

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I wish I could train them like monkeys, but no, it's an account for tech.
support 
and they're ssh'ing into the production box, and I want to limit their
access and give 
them no way to get to a command prompt, if I can avoid it.  Would you
believe that 
they were originally setup to get into the box as the owner of the oracle
software..SCARY! 


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Are they telnetting in to your server and then running SQLPlus at the 
command prompt or are they running SQLPlus from their client and connecting 
via SQLNet? 

If the first, then "host" will not give them anything that they won't get 
from the telnet session. 

If the second, they they'll most likely end up at the ORACLE_HOME\bin 
prompt of their workstation. 

Are your users really just trained monkeys in disguise and you don't want 
them to try to recreate the works of Shakespear via random keystrokes? 
What's the real issue here? 



 

Richard

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com> Subject: host from SQL> prompt

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How can I prevent users from typing "host" to get to an OS prompt while 
logged 
into a DB account with an OS account?  They can host to a prompt now, but 
they 
can't do anything useful from there, since $ORACLE_HOME is the only thing 
in their 
PATH...just wondered if there is an easy way to prevent the use of the host 
command 
all together. 

TIA! 




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