Re: Oracle FM interpretation of locking behavior

2002-12-10 Thread Robert Pegram
If I understand what you are asking, a simple test
will tell you.

>>> Session A

SQL> create table t2 (x number);

Table created.


SQL> insert into t2 values (1);

1 row created.

SQL> insert into t2 values (2);

1 row created.

SQL> commit;

Commit complete.

SQL> update t2 set x=4 where x=1;

1 row updated.

SQL>

Notice No commit;

>>>>>>> Session B
SQL> update t2 set x=4 where x=2;

1 row updated.

SQL> update t2 set x=4 where x=1;

>>> this waits for the commit/rollback in session A

Robert Pegram
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--- "Jesse, Rich" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hey all,
> 
> After converting three columns on a multi-million
> row table from NULLs to
> SPACEs, the devs found one other program that pops
> NULLs into those columns
> (sigh).  So, with only 150 rows needing updating, my
> knee-jerk reaction was
> to do a simple:
> 
> UPDATE mytable
>   SET mcol1 = ' '
>   WHERE mcol1 IS NULL;
> 
> ...and repeat for "mcol2" and "mcol3".  Since this
> is a heavy table for us
> (Time/Attendance), I'm wondering about locking,
> since the UPDATEs won't be
> using an index because of the "IS NULL".  When I
> RTFM for 8.1.7, I found
> this:
> 
> ---
> The locking characteristics of INSERT, UPDATE,
> DELETE, and SELECT ... FOR
> UPDATE statements are as follows:
> 
> The transaction that contains a DML statement
> acquires exclusive row locks
> on the rows modified by the statement. Other
> transactions cannot update or
> delete the locked rows until the locking transaction
> either commits or rolls
> back.
> 
> The transaction that contains a DML statement does
> not need to acquire row
> locks on any rows selected by a subquery or an
> implicit query, such as a
> query in a WHERE clause. A subquery or implicit
> query in a DML statement is
> guaranteed to be consistent as of the start of the
> query and does not see
> the effects of the DML statement it is part of. 
> 
> A query in a transaction can see the changes made by
> previous DML statements
> in the same transaction, but cannot see the changes
> of other transactions
> begun after its own transaction. 
> 
> In addition to the necessary exclusive row locks, a
> transaction that
> contains a DML statement acquires at least a row
> exclusive table lock on the
> table that contains the affected rows. If the
> containing transaction already
> holds a share, share row exclusive, or exclusive
> table lock for that table,
> the row exclusive table lock is not acquired. If the
> containing transaction
> already holds a row share table lock, Oracle
> automatically converts this
> lock to a row exclusive table lock. 
> ---
> 
> To me, this says that the row locks will only be
> placed on the affected rows
> and not every row in the table, in addition to the
> RX lock on the table.  Is
> this correct?  I guess I'm looking for evidence that
> I could or could not
> update this table during the day.
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> Rich Jesse
> 
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Re: OT: Web hosting

2003-12-11 Thread Robert Pegram
I have been thinking of using ipowerweb.

http://www.ipowerweb.com/

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Re: Solaris/8.1.7/LOBSEGMENT

2003-03-31 Thread Robert Pegram
alter table table_name
modify lob (lob_column) 
 (storage (maxextents unlimited)); 


Look in dba_lobs if you are unsure of the table_name
the lobsegment belongs to.

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> I'm getting a report that a LOBSEGMENT has reached
> MAXEXTENTS.
> How do I modify this?  ALTER LOBSEGMENT doesn't
> work.  I'm still
> R'ing the FMs, but I thought I'd ask the list too.
> 
> Thanks,
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Re: Parallel Rollbacks

2003-02-14 Thread Robert Pegram
Look at the parameter fast_start_parallel_rollback 

Also check out metalink Note:144332.1 
Parallel query servers get 100% cpu 

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--- Steve Perry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I hope somebody can provide me with more information
> on parallel rollbacks.
> I've checked metalink and google, but haven't found
> much information. I read
> that starting in 8i, SMON can be used to clean up a
> process after it's been
> killed.
> 
> Questions first, story last.
> 
> What criteria is used to decide if PMON or SMON is
> used?
> Is SMON used only for parallel rollbacks, otherwise
> PMON is used?
> Why was there so many archive logs generated to
> rollback the transaction? I
> wasn't expecting that.
> Is the last query adequate to monitor the progress
> or is there a better way?
> Are there any init.ora parameters that I can set to
> change the behaviour or
> improve performance?
> 
> Thanks,
> Steve
> 
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> 
> The other evening, the SAP Basis admin killed a long
> running process that
> hadn't generated much redo (600 meg), but after he
> killed it, it generated
> 2.5 gig of redo in about an about an hour.
> 
> I got called about 20 minutes after he did it
> because the system started
> running slow.
> I logged in and ran this query to see if there were
> any open transactions,
> but nothing came back.
> 
> SELECT vs.username , vs.osuser
>  , r.name rollback_segment , vt.used_ublk
>  , vt.used_urec , vt.start_time
>  , vs.sid , vs.serial#
>  , p.spid process
>   FROM v$transaction vt
>  , v$rollnamer
>  , v$session vs
>  , v$process p
>  WHERE vt.addr   = vs.taddr   and vt.xidusn = r.usn 
> and   p.addr   =
> vs.paddr
>  order by r.name
> /
> 
> I kept seeing the logs switches, so I started
> looking in v$session_wait and
> saw the following events.
> 
> EVENT
> 
> PX Deq: Txn Recovery Start
> PX Deq: Txn Recovery Start
> PX Deq: Txn Recovery Start
> Wait for stopper event to be increased
> 
> Metalink pointed me to:
> V$fast_start_servers
> v$fast_start_transactions
> 
> From there, I ran this (not sure if the joins are
> correct) that allowed me
> to watch the process slowly comple.
> 
> SELECT T.USN
> -- , R.NAME
>  , USERNAME
> -- , SERIAL#
>  , TERMINAL
>  , PROGRAM
>  , T.STATE
>  , ROUND (UNDOBLOCKSDONE / UNDOBLOCKSTOTAL  *
> 100, 1 ) PCT_DONE
>  , T.UNDOBLOCKSDONE
>  , T.UNDOBLOCKSTOTAL
>  , T.SLT
>  , T.SEQ
>  , T.PID
>  , T.CPUTIME
> -- , T.PARENTUSN
> -- , T.PARENTSLT
> -- , T.PARENTSEQ
>   from v$fast_start_transactions T
>  , v$TRANSACTION R
>  , v$process p
> WHERE  T.PARENTUSN  = R.XIDUSN
>   and  T.PARENTSLT  = R.XIDSLOT
>   and  T.PARENTSEQ  = R.XIDSQN
>   and  t.pid= p.pid
> /
> 
> --output from query
> 
>USN Oracle User  TERMINAL
> PROGRAM
> STATE  PCT_DONE UNDOBLOCKSDONE
> UNDOBLOCKSTOTALSLT
> SEQPIDCPUTIME  PARENTUSN  PARENTSLT 
> PARENTSEQ
> --  
> - -
> --- -- --
> --- -- ---
> --- -- -- -- --
> --
> 14 SYSTEM   SATSAP26
> ORACLE.EXE (P000)
> RECOVERING 98.8 633522 
> 641130 89
> 207166 17  1  0  0  
>0
> 
> 
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Re: Unsetting OPTIMAL in rollback segments

2002-05-15 Thread Robert Pegram
 
> space management may generate   
> 
> undo to do a coalesce. If the   
> 
> amount of undo we generate  
> 
> cannot fit in the current   
> 
> extent we will get a 1581 as we 
> 
> are now trying to use the   
> 
> extent that we are trying to
> 
> add."   
> 
> 
> 
> Suggestions for resolving the   
> 
> problems are to make the
> 
> INITIAL EXTENTS a large number  
> 
> ( maybe even set minextents =   
> 
> maxextents), and unset OPTIMAL  
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Regards 
> 
> Tom Villane 
> 
> Oracle Support Metalink Analyst 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: Reverse Engineering Triggers

2002-06-18 Thread Robert Pegram

Steve,

Here is a korn shell script I use.  It also looks at
dba_trigger_cols.  I was trying to do the same thing a
while back, but most of the scripts I found didn't
look at dba_trigger_cols.  This view becomes important
if a trigger does something like 'before update of
 on '.  I will also use export
sometimes if the trigger is simple.

HTH
Rob Pegram
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#!/bin/ksh
#
#  Purpose: Create a backup of the existing triggers. 
A file will be created
#   in ./bu with the source.  Use it before
#   Create or Replace to save a copy of the
existing.
#   If you want all the triggers, change the
trig_cursor to 
#   where owner not in ('SYS','SYSTEM); and
take out of this 
#   shell script.  Create another one without
owner name do/done, etc
#
#  usage dobupkg
#  
#  prereq's: 1.  mkdir bu from the directory you are 
#going to run this from 
#2.  Create a file allpkg.lst owner name
#
cat alltrg.lst|while read owner name 
do
echo $owner $name
sqlplus -s / < wrote:
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> which recreates
> triggers? (By querying user/dba_triggers.)
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Re: order by in subquery workaround

2002-07-12 Thread Robert Pegram
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Re: range checking ??? URGENT

2001-11-14 Thread Robert Pegram

If you are on 8i (I know it works on 8.1.6 and 8.1.7),
you can use select case:

SQL> select * from junk;

 X
--
10
15
20
25

SQL> select x, (case when x < 11 then 'small' when x <
21 then 'med' when x < 31 then 'large' end) from junk
  2  /

 X (CASE
-- -
10 small
15 med
20 med
25 large

SQL>

HTH

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> Can decode work on a range, like if Code is > 100
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Re: Export via pipe ksh script

2002-01-03 Thread Robert Pegram

Is this what you are looking for?

#!/bin/ksh
mknod /tmp/exp_pipe p
compress < /tmp/exp_pipe > export.dmp.Z &
exp file=/tmp/exp_pipe userid... log.

Rob Pegram
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Re: Recovery scenario query

2002-01-10 Thread Robert Pegram

Sean,

First of all, datafiles actually belong to a
tablespace - not a schema.

1.  You could place the tablespace into read-only
mode, take a backup of the tablespaces datafile(s),
then no additional backups are required for those
datafile(s) (and you are assured that no one updates
the data).

2.  In general, to recover from media failure, you
would have to restore the datafile from some backup,
and apply all the archived redo logs since the backup.

HTH
Rob Pegram
Oracle DBA

--- "O'Neill, Sean" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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Re: Oracle shadow process

2002-01-30 Thread Robert Pegram

If you are on Solaris, you may be interested in NOTE:
153655.1 SOLARIS: Determing Oracle Memory Usage on
Solaris.  

CUT <<<<<<<<
Many programs which display memory usage, like "top"
or "ps -lf" do not distinguish between shared and
private memory and show the SGA usage in each
background and shadow process.  Subsequently, it may
appear as though Oracle is using several times more
memory than what is actually installed on the system. 
To properly determine how much memory Oracle is using,
you must use a tool which separates private and shared
memory.  One such tool is "/usr/proc/bin/pmap". 
CUT <<<<<<

Robert Pegram
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> I have dedicated connections to the databases and
> the
> processes are using 320M-340M of memory. Is there
> any
> parameter I can change to reduce the memory
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> Current value for Sort area size value is 65536. 
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Re: STORAGE PARAMETER?

2002-01-31 Thread Robert Pegram

What version of Oracle?

In 8i, instead of export/import, you use the
following:

alter table XXX move tablespace YYY storage (...);

You will need to rebuild the indexes after executing
this statement.  I also don't think any dml is allowed
during the move, but selects are allowed.  Someone
will correct me if I am wrong.

For indexes, you can use:

alter index XXX rebuild tablespace YYY storage (...)
online;

If I remember correctly, using the rebuild online
option, dml is allowed against the table during the
rebuild - Check the documentation.

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Re: Sending email from Unix

2002-02-01 Thread Robert Pegram

On Solaris I have used uuencode - check the man page
for more details.

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Re: Instream SQL

2002-02-07 Thread Robert Pegram

#/bin/ksh
sqlplus -s / << EOF
  select 'x' from dual;
  exit;
EOF

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Moving Oracle Binaries from HP to SUN

2002-02-12 Thread Robert Pegram

Has anyone done the following:

Create a db using Oracle Loaded on an HP Server 
- The datafiles, controlfiles, etc will be on EMC

Later, 
Install the oracle binaries on a SUN Server, basically
unplug the HP from the SYMM, and plug in the SUN and
bring up the database.

I was asked this yesterday because some of the sun
hardware is on back order, and they want to put the
project in production before the parts will arrive. 
There is a spare HP server (bought for another
project) they can use until the parts arrive.

I am awaiting an official response from Oracle, but
thought I would get your input.

TIA,
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Re: Moving Oracle Binaries from HP to SUN

2002-02-12 Thread Robert Pegram

Thanks for the responses.

I thought exp/imp was the only way to go, but I feel
much more confident now.  That was also Oracle's
response.

BTW, I think they have changed their thinking on this
issue anyway.  

Thanks,
Robert Pegram - EDS
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--- bill thater <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> >Has anyone done the following:
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> EMC
> >
> >Later, 
> >Install the oracle binaries on a SUN Server,
> basically
> >unplug the HP from the SYMM, and plug in the SUN
> and
> >bring up the database.
> >
> been there, done that, blew up big time.;-)
> 
> as far as i know it won't work.  you'd have to go
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Re: Insert append generating redo

2002-04-09 Thread Robert Pegram

Stephane,

I don't understand what you mean when you say you can
select on t1 before any commit.

I just tried this on an 8.1.7 database, and there was
a signicant reduction in redo.  There was only 668
bytes of redo generated vs. 2320 (see below).  I think
some redo will still be generated as you allocate
extents (my tablespace is dictionary managed).

Rob Pegram
Oracle Certified DBA


SQL> create table t as select * from dba_users;

Table created.

SQL> alter table t nologging;

Table altered.

SQL> delete from t;

15 rows deleted.

SQL> commit;

Commit complete.

SQL>  select value
   from v$mystat, v$statname
  where v$mystat.statistic# = v$statname.statistic#
and v$statname.name = 'redo size'

 VALUE
--
117720

SQL> insert /*+ append */ into t as select * from
dba_users;
insert /*+ append */ into t as select * from dba_users
*
ERROR at line 1:
ORA-00926: missing VALUES keyword


SQL> insert /*+ append */ into t select * from
dba_users;

15 rows created.

SQL> commit;

Commit complete.

SQL>  select value
   from v$mystat, v$statname
  where v$mystat.statistic# = v$statname.statistic#
and v$statname.name = 'redo size'

 VALUE
--
118388

SQL> delete from t;

15 rows deleted.

SQL>
SQL> commit;

Commit complete.

SQL>  select value
   from v$mystat, v$statname
  where v$mystat.statistic# = v$statname.statistic#
and v$statname.name = 'redo size'

 VALUE
--
123856

SQL> insert into t select * from dba_users;

15 rows created.

SQL> commit;

Commit complete.

SQL>  select value
   from v$mystat, v$statname
  where v$mystat.statistic# = v$statname.statistic#
and v$statname.name = 'redo size'

 VALUE
--
126176

--- paquette stephane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> 
> I'm trying the following insert /*+ append */ into
> t1
> as select * from t2;
> 
> t1 is created with nologging attribute.
> 
> The insert is not using the hint at all.
> I can select on t1 (before any commit) which I
> should
> not be able to do if the append hint was used.
> 
> Any ways to get the hing used ?
> (Oracle 817/NT)
> 
> TIA
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RE: Locally managed tablespaces/What a DBA can do ?

2002-04-17 Thread Robert Pegram

The poster implied he was going to change the
temporary tablespace to locally managed.

> > > > > to some of the other org's, so maybe staying
> > > with
> > > > > dictionary-managed would
> > > > > be
> > > > > best, except for the temporary tablespace.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Darren.


All of my production databases are still dictionary
managed.  I played around with locally managed
tablespaces a while back on a test server, and when I
ran a generic hot backup script, which attempted to
dynamically put each tablespace in backup mode, it
failed on the temporary tablespace.  Of course all
other tablespaces were successful (as you pointed
out).  

Hopefully he would be doing this in a test environment
first anyway, but I was just pointing out that he may
want to test backup/recovery after converting.

Rob Pegram
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--- "Koivu, Lisa" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> That's not a temp tablespace (TEMP_DATA_A).  It's a
> place to put temporary
> load tables.  My temporary tablespace is TEMP, which
> is dictionary.  From
> the research I did on LMT's before I decided to use
> them, it looked like
> there were several bugs associated with temporary
> tablespaces being LMT's so
> I left my temporary ts dictionary.
> 
> LK
> 
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From:   Robert Pegram [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent:   Wednesday, April 17, 2002 11:34 AM
> > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> > Subject:RE: Locally managed tablespaces/What a
> DBA can do ?
> > 
> > What about your locally managed "temporary"
> > tablespace?
> > 
> > 
> > --- "Koivu, Lisa" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> > > What?  I was just able to do it.  8.1.7, W2K
> > > 
> > > (INV-SYSTEM)>@ts
> > > 
> > > TS_NAME LMT  MB_FREE  MB_TOTAL 
> > > PCT_USED
> > > --- -- - -
> > > -
> > > LOAD_DATA_A LOCAL740  2000  
>
> > >  63
> > > LRG_INDEX_A LOCAL390  2500  
>   
> > > 84.4
> > > LRG_INDEX_B LOCAL980  1000  
>
> > >   2
> > > LRG_TABLE_A LOCAL   2440  4000  
>
> > >  39
> > > LRG_TABLE_B LOCAL360  1000  
>
> > >  64
> > > MED_INDEX_A LOCAL480  1000  
>
> > >  52
> > > MED_TABLE_A LOCAL680  1000  
>
> > >  32
> > > RBS DICTIONARY   299  1000  
>   
> > > 70.1
> > > SMALL_INDEX_A   LOCAL183   200  
>
> > > 8.5
> > > SMALL_TABLE_A   LOCAL169   200  
>   
> > > 15.5
> > > SYSTEM  DICTIONARY   110   200  
>
> > >  45
> > > TEMP    DICTIONARY   961  1000  
>
> > > 3.9
> > > TEMP_DATA_A LOCAL900  1000  
>
> > >  10
> > > TOOLS   LOCAL 1920  
>
> > >   5
> > > USERS   LOCAL 3475  
>   
> > > 54.7
> > > 
> > > 15 rows selected.
> > > 
> > > (INV-SYSTEM)>alter tablespace load_data_a begin
> > > backup;
> > > 
> > > Tablespace altered.
> > > 
> > > (INV-SYSTEM)>alter tablespace load_data_a end
> > > backup;
> > > 
> > > Tablespace altered.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > > -Original Message-
> > > > From:   Robert Pegram [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > > Sent:   Wednesday, April 17, 2002 9:58 AM
> > > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> > > > Subject:RE: Locally managed tablespaces/What
> a
> > > DBA can do ?
> > > > 
> > > > Darren,
> > > > 
> > > > If using a hot backup strategy (other than
> Rman),
> > > > make sure to test your backup/recovery if you
> > > switch
> > > > the temporary tablespace to locally managed. 
> You
> > > > can't put a locally managed temporary
> tablespace
> > > in
> > > > backup mode.
> > > > 
> > > > Rob Pegram
> > > > Oracle Certified DBA
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > SQL> create

RE: Unable to rebuild database from hot backup

2001-10-26 Thread Robert Pegram
e control files.
> > 
> > After doing
> > recover database using backup controlfile;
> > 
> > I got 
> > SVRMGR> alter database open resetlogs;
> > alter database open resetlogs
> > *
> > ORA-01113: file 1 needs media recovery
> > ORA-01110: data file 1:
> '/data1/nyccp/systnyccp.dbf
> > 
> > Thinking that perhaps I just needed to apply more
> logs I went on to
> > apply
> > another 12 hours worth of archive logs.  I still
> get the same error. 
> > 
> > 
> > Now I'm really concerned that my hot backup is
> invalid for some
> > reason.
> > Does anyone have any suggestions for what else I
> can look at?
> > 
> > TIA,
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RE: Unable to rebuild database from hot backup

2001-10-26 Thread Robert Pegram

Luckily I have never had this situation in production,
and what I have read also suggests using the ascii
file created from 'BACKUP CONTROLFILE TO TRACE' for
recovery.  I just had a little time on my hands and
decided to give it a try.  As I stated, I am by no
means an expert in recovery (more like a novice), I
was just stating what I observed.  Maybe someone else
will let us know their opinion.

Thanks for your input.

Rob Pegram

--- "Jesse, Rich" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Is this recovery method valid?  The loss of
> controlfiles is supposed to be
> recovered using the trace file generated from a
> previous BACKUP CONTROLFILE
> TO TRACE, isn't it?  At least according to the
> Oracle8 Backup and Recovery
> class it is.
> 
> The part that concerns me is that you are recovering
> using an ONLINE redo
> log (don't know if it was the active one or not). 
> Could be the paranoid in
> me, but that just doesn't seem right.  The admission
> that "I don't think
> this is 100% true for every situation" would seem to
> suggest that you agree
> that this method shouldn't be used for
> backup/recovery on production
> databases.
> 
> My $.02.
> 
> Rich Jesse  System/Database
> Administrator
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> 
> Tim,
> 
> > You can not simply cancel a "recover
> > database using backup
> > controlfile" since Oracle is expecting you perform
> a
> > complete recovery (
> > since your not using the UNTIL CANCEL/TIME/CHANGE
> )
> > and canceling a complete
> > recovery leaves the stop SCN in the controlfile at
> > infinity...  Therefore,
> > the recovery is never complete and you will always
> > receive the "needs media
> > recovery message"...  
> 
> I don't think this is 100% true for every situation.
> 
> I am no recovery expert, but I just did this the
> other
> day, and to verify it, I ran the test again this
> morning.  
> 
> 1.  Shutdown abort
> 2.  Delete all current controlfiles
> 3.  Replaced the binary controlfiles from last hot
> backup (they were copied as part of the backup
> script)
> 4.  Startup mount
> 5.  Recover database using backup controlfile
> 6.  Kept applying logs - only trick was that the
> last
> log was an online redo log, so I had to type in that
> log explicitly.  There I received the message Media
> Recover Complete.
> 7.  Alter database open resetlogs.
> 
> Rob Pegram
> Oracle Certified DBA
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