after the discussion yesterday on db2/mysql/postgresql....
I thought this might be relevant and interesting... http://searchdatabase.techtarget.com/tip/0,289483,sid13_gci945589,00.html?tr ack=NL-93 -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Chris Stephens INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: after the discussion yesterday on db2/mysql/postgresql....
Thought PostGreSql smelled a lot like DB2. And although I agree with their definitions on the surface they miss a lot of the underlying capability in Oracle. Sure, one database per instance, but you can them map multiple applications/schema's into that instance. Makes for a lot less fun when one application needs data from another that's in the same instance. Dick Goulet Senior Oracle DBA Oracle Certified 8i DBA -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2004 2:14 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L I thought this might be relevant and interesting... http://searchdatabase.techtarget.com/tip/0,289483,sid13_gci945589,00.html?tr ack=NL-93 -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Chris Stephens INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Goulet, Dick INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: OT (DB2)
Many thanks. I am back on again. Regards Lee -Original Message- Sent: 11 November 2003 21:59 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L -Original Message- From: Robertson Lee - lerobe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, 12 November 2003 00:45 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: OT (DB2) Hi, Anyone out there who used to be subscribed to the DB2-L listserv. Since it moved hosts, I have received no more emails and cannot register for the new one. Regards Lee Lee, it's definitely up and running, and Phil (Gunning) said that existing subscriptions had migrated. Here's the footer from current messages - might help troubleshoot your subscription. Welcome to the IDUG DB2-L list. To change your subscription options or subscribe or to cancel your subscription, visit the IDUGDB2-L archives webpage at http://www.idugdb2-l.org/archives/db2-l.html. From that page select Join or Leave the list. The IDUG List Admins can be reached at [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ciao Fuzzy :-) -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Grant Allen INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). ** The information contained in this communication is confidential, is intended only for the use of the recipient named above, and may be legally privileged. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please re-send this communication to the sender and delete the original message or any copy of it from your computer system. Thank You. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Robertson Lee - lerobe INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
OT (DB2)
Hi, Anyone out there who used to be subscribed to the DB2-L listserv. Since it moved hosts, I have received no more emails and cannot register for the new one. Regards Lee ** The information contained in this communication is confidential, is intended only for the use of the recipient named above, and may be legally privileged. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please re-send this communication to the sender and delete the original message or any copy of it from your computer system. Thank You. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Robertson Lee - lerobe INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: OT (DB2)
-Original Message- From: Robertson Lee - lerobe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, 12 November 2003 00:45 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: OT (DB2) Hi, Anyone out there who used to be subscribed to the DB2-L listserv. Since it moved hosts, I have received no more emails and cannot register for the new one. Regards Lee Lee, it's definitely up and running, and Phil (Gunning) said that existing subscriptions had migrated. Here's the footer from current messages - might help troubleshoot your subscription. Welcome to the IDUG DB2-L list. To change your subscription options or subscribe or to cancel your subscription, visit the IDUGDB2-L archives webpage at http://www.idugdb2-l.org/archives/db2-l.html. From that page select Join or Leave the list. The IDUG List Admins can be reached at [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ciao Fuzzy :-) -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Grant Allen INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
starting/stopping DB2
Does anyone here use DB2? I need a bit of an education on how to start and stop DB2 under Windows XP. If you can help, please contact me offlist. Thanks. Best regards, Jonathan Gennick --- Brighten the corner where you are http://Gennick.com * 906.387.1698 * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Join the Oracle-article list and receive one article on Oracle technologies per month by email. To join, visit http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/oracle-article, or send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and include the word subscribe in either the subject or body. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Jonathan Gennick INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: starting/stopping DB2
-Original Message- From: Jonathan Gennick [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, 29 October 2003 10:49 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: starting/stopping DB2 Does anyone here use DB2? I need a bit of an education on how to start and stop DB2 under Windows XP. If you can help, please contact me offlist. Thanks. Best regards, Jonathan Gennick (apologies for the heresy, everyone. My mail server seems to have a problem with Jonathan's address) Jonathan, You can use the services control panel to start and stop the database instance(s), and the administration instance. The default database instance is usually called DB2 - DB2 under version 7.x, and a similar name under v8.x. The admin instance is usually called DB2 - DB2DAS00 (under v8.x it has a slightly different name that escapes me right now). You can also use the start and stop scripts from the DB2 command environment. db2start and db2stop for the database instance that matches your current environment settings (DB2INSTANCE env var, similar to your SID env var for Oracle), and db2admin start / db2admin stop for the admin instance. You may also have the java applet server, licencing server, governor, and warehouse servers running (depending on what version you installed). Let me know if you need help with these. Ciao Fuzzy :-) -- The contents of this post are my opinions only If swallowed seek medical advice -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Grant Allen INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: Oracle /db2
At the Database Forum here in Denmark recently we had one presentation comparing stuff between Oracle, SQL Server and DB2: The Heterogeneous DBA by Chuck Sodowsky from Quest. It seemed to me like he knew what he was talking about. Maybe he can help? I don't have his email present. Mogens *//* Pete Sharman wrote: Joe Not sure if it's that specific, but there has been material put up on searchDatabase.com that does some of this. I can dig out the URL for you if you haven't already seen that. Pete Controlling developers is like herding cats. Kevin Loney, Oracle DBA Handbook Oh no, it's not. It's much harder than that! Bruce Pihlamae, long-term Oracle DBA -Original Message- Testa Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2003 12:49 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Well i've been tasked to do some crosstraining of db2 DBAs to teach them oracle(dark side, ok more expensive side). Does anyone know of a white paper, document, book, etc that would do DBA tasks comparisons? looking for something like alter database datafile 'filename' resize 1000m; command in oracle is equivalent to that in db2/udb. Does something like that exist? thanks, joe -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Mogens_N=F8rgaard?= INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Oracle /db2
Well i've been tasked to do some crosstraining of db2 DBAs to teach them oracle(dark side, ok more expensive side). Does anyone know of a white paper, document, book, etc that would do DBA tasks comparisons? looking for something like alter database datafile 'filename' resize 1000m; command in oracle is equivalent to that in db2/udb. Does something like that exist? thanks, joe -- Joseph S Testa Chief Technology Officer Data Management Consulting p: 614-791-9000 f: 614-791-9001 -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Joe Testa INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Oracle /db2
If you can hold on for the weekend ( I am so busy it is unbelievable) I could maybe knock something together next week. Can you give me a list of what you want and I will try and help you out next week. Regards Lee -Original Message- Sent: 24 October 2003 15:49 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Well i've been tasked to do some crosstraining of db2 DBAs to teach them oracle(dark side, ok more expensive side). Does anyone know of a white paper, document, book, etc that would do DBA tasks comparisons? looking for something like alter database datafile 'filename' resize 1000m; command in oracle is equivalent to that in db2/udb. Does something like that exist? thanks, joe -- Joseph S Testa Chief Technology Officer Data Management Consulting p: 614-791-9000 f: 614-791-9001 -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Joe Testa INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). ** The information contained in this communication is confidential, is intended only for the use of the recipient named above, and may be legally privileged. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please re-send this communication to the sender and delete the original message or any copy of it from your computer system. Thank You. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Robertson Lee - lerobe INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Oracle /db2
Joe Not sure if it's that specific, but there has been material put up on searchDatabase.com that does some of this. I can dig out the URL for you if you haven't already seen that. Pete Controlling developers is like herding cats. Kevin Loney, Oracle DBA Handbook Oh no, it's not. It's much harder than that! Bruce Pihlamae, long-term Oracle DBA -Original Message- Testa Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2003 12:49 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Well i've been tasked to do some crosstraining of db2 DBAs to teach them oracle(dark side, ok more expensive side). Does anyone know of a white paper, document, book, etc that would do DBA tasks comparisons? looking for something like alter database datafile 'filename' resize 1000m; command in oracle is equivalent to that in db2/udb. Does something like that exist? thanks, joe -- Joseph S Testa Chief Technology Officer Data Management Consulting p: 614-791-9000 f: 614-791-9001 -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Joe Testa INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Pete Sharman INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Oracle /db2
There is 2 documents I know: The one from Oracle is absolutely vendor oriented http://www.quest.com/presentations/DB2_vs_Oracle.pdf http://otn.oracle.com/deploy/performance/pdf/CWP_9IVSDB2_PERF.PDF Stephane Paquette Administrateur de bases de donnees Database Administrator Standard Life www.standardlife.ca Tel. (514) 499-7999 7470 and (514) 925-7187 [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Joe Testa Sent: 24 octobre, 2003 10:49 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Well i've been tasked to do some crosstraining of db2 DBAs to teach them oracle(dark side, ok more expensive side). Does anyone know of a white paper, document, book, etc that would do DBA tasks comparisons? looking for something like alter database datafile 'filename' resize 1000m; command in oracle is equivalent to that in db2/udb. Does something like that exist? thanks, joe -- Joseph S Testa Chief Technology Officer Data Management Consulting p: 614-791-9000 f: 614-791-9001 -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Joe Testa INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Stephane Paquette INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: Replication from DB2 to Oracle
Forgot to add one more aspect. You may consider "extproc"; A Java/C program interface From DB2 equivalent of "extproc" of oracle. DB2 to pass values to the Java/C program which will in turn connect to Oracle and carry out DMLs. HTH GovindanK-Original Message- From: Govindan KSent: 9/25/2003 1:15:22 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED];[EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: Replication from DB2 to Oracle Take a look at Oracle Gateway or the Equivalent of it in DB2. AFAIK, online replication across Databases of diff.vendors is still not avbl. though it seems you can do DMLs from Oracle to other databases (viz, SQL Server, Sybase, DB2) in 10G. Don't know about the reverse. Or you may considering any of the following: 1. Dump the DB2 data onto flat file and load using sqlldr / External Tables. 2. Generate SQL insert statements using the equivalent of triggers (capturing the DMLs in the same sequence) and run it in Oracle. In either of the above cases , how are you going to handle DDLs if any that are being done in DB2. The same need to be propogated to Oracle too and the subsequent data inserted correctly. HTH GovindanK -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: 9/25/2003 12:05:43 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: Replication from DB2 to OracleHi, Do any of you have any recommendation about any tools / software which replicate data between DB2 and Oracle ? Are there any good products out in the market ? I would really appreciate if you could suggest something. I am looking to replicate around couple of hundred thousand rows a day. The replication can be every couple of hours. Our main concern is performance on the transactional system ( source system running db2) should not have significant performance impact. Thanks. Thanks Rishi Jain ___Get Your 10MB account for FREE at http://mail.arabia.com !Access MILLIONS of JOBS NOW! ___Get Your 10MB account for FREE at http://mail.arabia.com !Access MILLIONS of JOBS NOW!
Replication from DB2 to Oracle
Hi, Do any of you have any recommendation about any tools / software which replicate data between DB2 and Oracle ? Are there any good products out in the market ? I would really appreciate if you could suggest something. I am looking to replicate around couple of hundred thousand rows a day. The replication can be every couple of hours. Our main concern is performance on the transactional system ( source system running db2) should not have significant performance impact. Thanks. Thanks Rishi Jain -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: Replication from DB2 to Oracle
Take a look at Oracle Gateway or the Equivalent of it in DB2. AFAIK, online replication across Databases of diff.vendors is still not avbl. though it seems you can do DMLs from Oracle to other databases (viz, SQL Server, Sybase, DB2) in 10G. Don't know about the reverse. Or you may considering any of the following: 1. Dump the DB2 data onto flat file and load using sqlldr / External Tables. 2. Generate SQL insert statements using the equivalent of triggers (capturing the DMLs in the same sequence) and run it in Oracle. In either of the above cases , how are you going to handle DDLs if any that are being done in DB2. The same need to be propogated to Oracle too and the subsequent data inserted correctly. HTH GovindanK -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: 9/25/2003 12:05:43 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: Replication from DB2 to OracleHi, Do any of you have any recommendation about any tools / software which replicate data between DB2 and Oracle ? Are there any good products out in the market ? I would really appreciate if you could suggest something. I am looking to replicate around couple of hundred thousand rows a day. The replication can be every couple of hours. Our main concern is performance on the transactional system ( source system running db2) should not have significant performance impact. Thanks. Thanks Rishi Jain ___Get Your 10MB account for FREE at http://mail.arabia.com !Access MILLIONS of JOBS NOW!
Re: Replication from DB2 to Oracle
Oracle heterogenous services + ODBC. Included in EE, maybe in SE as well. Tanel. - Original Message - To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2003 10:09 PM Hi, Do any of you have any recommendation about any tools / software which replicate data between DB2 and Oracle ? Are there any good products out in the market ? I would really appreciate if you could suggest something. I am looking to replicate around couple of hundred thousand rows a day. The replication can be every couple of hours. Our main concern is performance on the transactional system ( source system running db2) should not have significant performance impact. Thanks. Thanks Rishi Jain -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Tanel Poder INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: RE: RE: DB2 has a foot in the door
I hope you were being sarcastic there Mladen... Patrice. -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 7:59 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Nope, that's what voting machines are invented for. They work almost perfectly in almost every state. -- Mladen Gogala Oracle DBA -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nuno Pinto do Souto Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 6:45 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: Re: RE: RE: DB2 has a foot in the door Boivin, Patrice J [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Something like that at the bottom of this article: http://www.computerworld.com/news/2003/story/0,11280,84773,00.html Counting processors is very hard. It's very hard to count users I thought that's what count(*) was invented for? Larry can truly be the Prime Minister of the Bleeding Obvious when he wants... Cheers Nuno Souto [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Nuno Pinto do Souto INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). Note: This message is for the named person's use only. It may contain confidential, proprietary or legally privileged information. No confidentiality or privilege is waived or lost by any mistransmission. If you receive this message in error, please immediately delete it and all copies of it from your system, destroy any hard copies of it and notify the sender. You must not, directly or indirectly, use, disclose, distribute, print, or copy any part of this message if you are not the intended recipient. Wang Trading LLC and any of its subsidiaries each reserve the right to monitor all e-mail communications through its networks. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, except where the message states otherwise and the sender is authorized to state them to be the views of any such entity. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Mladen Gogala INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Boivin, Patrice J INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: RE: RE: DB2 has a foot in the door
I believe Mr. Ellison is responding to a lot of market pressure, and failing DB sales. I know it would be a relief here to see this inplace soon, but as always the DEVIL is in the details. Dick Goulet Senior Oracle DBA Oracle Certified 8i DBA -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 6:59 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Nope, that's what voting machines are invented for. They work almost perfectly in almost every state. -- Mladen Gogala Oracle DBA -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nuno Pinto do Souto Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 6:45 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: Re: RE: RE: DB2 has a foot in the door Boivin, Patrice J [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Something like that at the bottom of this article: http://www.computerworld.com/news/2003/story/0,11280,84773,00.html Counting processors is very hard. It's very hard to count users I thought that's what count(*) was invented for? Larry can truly be the Prime Minister of the Bleeding Obvious when he wants... Cheers Nuno Souto [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Nuno Pinto do Souto INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). Note: This message is for the named person's use only. It may contain confidential, proprietary or legally privileged information. No confidentiality or privilege is waived or lost by any mistransmission. If you receive this message in error, please immediately delete it and all copies of it from your system, destroy any hard copies of it and notify the sender. You must not, directly or indirectly, use, disclose, distribute, print, or copy any part of this message if you are not the intended recipient. Wang Trading LLC and any of its subsidiaries each reserve the right to monitor all e-mail communications through its networks. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, except where the message states otherwise and the sender is authorized to state them to be the views of any such entity. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Mladen Gogala INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Goulet, Dick INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: RE: RE: DB2 has a foot in the door
There should be a low level pricing for home users, so that people who download oracle may use metalink. I would pay for home support if it was something like $150/ year for my Linux box. There should also be a low price for small companies wih 16 users. One should be able to buy a 16 users license for around $2000. I know a caterer that went with SQL Server because of the price and development tools availability as well as the atitude of the salesman that he turned to. I know that a small CT caterer with 9 employees is not Merryl-Lynch or Chase, but it is a business nevertheless and having a database in there buys a mindshare. Caterers have to keep track of the orders, ingredients and schedules and they do need a database. At present, there is a condescending attitude toward those people and that only helps our favorite company in Redmond, WA. -- Mladen Gogala Oracle DBA -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Goulet, Dick Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2003 10:44 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: RE: RE: RE: DB2 has a foot in the door I believe Mr. Ellison is responding to a lot of market pressure, and failing DB sales. I know it would be a relief here to see this inplace soon, but as always the DEVIL is in the details. Dick Goulet Senior Oracle DBA Oracle Certified 8i DBA -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 6:59 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Nope, that's what voting machines are invented for. They work almost perfectly in almost every state. -- Mladen Gogala Oracle DBA -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nuno Pinto do Souto Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 6:45 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: Re: RE: RE: DB2 has a foot in the door Boivin, Patrice J [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Something like that at the bottom of this article: http://www.computerworld.com/news/2003/story/0,11280,84773,00.html Counting processors is very hard. It's very hard to count users I thought that's what count(*) was invented for? Larry can truly be the Prime Minister of the Bleeding Obvious when he wants... Cheers Nuno Souto [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Nuno Pinto do Souto INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). Note: This message is for the named person's use only. It may contain confidential, proprietary or legally privileged information. No confidentiality or privilege is waived or lost by any mistransmission. If you receive this message in error, please immediately delete it and all copies of it from your system, destroy any hard copies of it and notify the sender. You must not, directly or indirectly, use, disclose, distribute, print, or copy any part of this message if you are not the intended recipient. Wang Trading LLC and any of its subsidiaries each reserve the right to monitor all e-mail communications through its networks. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, except where the message states otherwise and the sender is authorized to state them to be the views of any such entity. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Mladen Gogala INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Goulet, Dick INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message
RE: RE: RE: DB2 has a foot in the door
I used to work for a large but non profit organisation (.org) and we were using Oracle, the sales rep never send us Christmas card for sure Stephane -Original Message- Mladen Gogala Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2003 11:30 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L There should be a low level pricing for home users, so that people who download oracle may use metalink. I would pay for home support if it was something like $150/ year for my Linux box. There should also be a low price for small companies wih 16 users. One should be able to buy a 16 users license for around $2000. I know a caterer that went with SQL Server because of the price and development tools availability as well as the atitude of the salesman that he turned to. I know that a small CT caterer with 9 employees is not Merryl-Lynch or Chase, but it is a business nevertheless and having a database in there buys a mindshare. Caterers have to keep track of the orders, ingredients and schedules and they do need a database. At present, there is a condescending attitude toward those people and that only helps our favorite company in Redmond, WA. -- Mladen Gogala Oracle DBA -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Goulet, Dick Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2003 10:44 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: RE: RE: RE: DB2 has a foot in the door I believe Mr. Ellison is responding to a lot of market pressure, and failing DB sales. I know it would be a relief here to see this inplace soon, but as always the DEVIL is in the details. Dick Goulet Senior Oracle DBA Oracle Certified 8i DBA -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 6:59 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Nope, that's what voting machines are invented for. They work almost perfectly in almost every state. -- Mladen Gogala Oracle DBA -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nuno Pinto do Souto Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 6:45 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: Re: RE: RE: DB2 has a foot in the door Boivin, Patrice J [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Something like that at the bottom of this article: http://www.computerworld.com/news/2003/story/0,11280,84773,00.html Counting processors is very hard. It's very hard to count users I thought that's what count(*) was invented for? Larry can truly be the Prime Minister of the Bleeding Obvious when he wants... Cheers Nuno Souto [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Nuno Pinto do Souto INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). Note: This message is for the named person's use only. It may contain confidential, proprietary or legally privileged information. No confidentiality or privilege is waived or lost by any mistransmission. If you receive this message in error, please immediately delete it and all copies of it from your system, destroy any hard copies of it and notify the sender. You must not, directly or indirectly, use, disclose, distribute, print, or copy any part of this message if you are not the intended recipient. Wang Trading LLC and any of its subsidiaries each reserve the right to monitor all e-mail communications through its networks. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, except where the message states otherwise and the sender is authorized to state them to be the views of any such entity. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Mladen Gogala INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Goulet, Dick INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http
Re: RE: RE: DB2 has a foot in the door
That same mentality applies to organizations with 100-200 users! After the latest meeting with the Oracle rep, damagement is seriously considering alternate database systems. Abey. - Original Message - To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2003 11:29 AM There should be a low level pricing for home users, so that people who download oracle may use metalink. I would pay for home support if it was something like $150/ year for my Linux box. There should also be a low price for small companies wih 16 users. One should be able to buy a 16 users license for around $2000. I know a caterer that went with SQL Server because of the price and development tools availability as well as the atitude of the salesman that he turned to. I know that a small CT caterer with 9 employees is not Merryl-Lynch or Chase, but it is a business nevertheless and having a database in there buys a mindshare. Caterers have to keep track of the orders, ingredients and schedules and they do need a database. At present, there is a condescending attitude toward those people and that only helps our favorite company in Redmond, WA. -- Mladen Gogala Oracle DBA -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Abey Joseph INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: RE: RE: DB2 has a foot in the door
Speaking of non-profit organisations, what is Oracle's policy on that? Do they sell Oracle software to non-profit groups? Probably it's a small market at best, but Personal Oracle might meet their needs. Another group that comes to mind are high schools and colleges, they might want to purchase 1 or 2 licenses for their students to play with. Patrice. -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2003 12:39 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L I used to work for a large but non profit organisation (.org) and we were using Oracle, the sales rep never send us Christmas card for sure Stephane -Original Message- Mladen Gogala Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2003 11:30 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L There should be a low level pricing for home users, so that people who download oracle may use metalink. I would pay for home support if it was something like $150/ year for my Linux box. There should also be a low price for small companies wih 16 users. One should be able to buy a 16 users license for around $2000. I know a caterer that went with SQL Server because of the price and development tools availability as well as the atitude of the salesman that he turned to. I know that a small CT caterer with 9 employees is not Merryl-Lynch or Chase, but it is a business nevertheless and having a database in there buys a mindshare. Caterers have to keep track of the orders, ingredients and schedules and they do need a database. At present, there is a condescending attitude toward those people and that only helps our favorite company in Redmond, WA. -- Mladen Gogala Oracle DBA -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Goulet, Dick Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2003 10:44 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: RE: RE: RE: DB2 has a foot in the door I believe Mr. Ellison is responding to a lot of market pressure, and failing DB sales. I know it would be a relief here to see this inplace soon, but as always the DEVIL is in the details. Dick Goulet Senior Oracle DBA Oracle Certified 8i DBA -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 6:59 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Nope, that's what voting machines are invented for. They work almost perfectly in almost every state. -- Mladen Gogala Oracle DBA -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nuno Pinto do Souto Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 6:45 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: Re: RE: RE: DB2 has a foot in the door Boivin, Patrice J [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Something like that at the bottom of this article: http://www.computerworld.com/news/2003/story/0,11280,84773,00.html Counting processors is very hard. It's very hard to count users I thought that's what count(*) was invented for? Larry can truly be the Prime Minister of the Bleeding Obvious when he wants... Cheers Nuno Souto [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Nuno Pinto do Souto INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). Note: This message is for the named person's use only. It may contain confidential, proprietary or legally privileged information. No confidentiality or privilege is waived or lost by any mistransmission. If you receive this message in error, please immediately delete it and all copies of it from your system, destroy any hard copies of it and notify the sender. You must not, directly or indirectly, use, disclose, distribute, print, or copy any part of this message if you are not the intended recipient. Wang Trading LLC and any of its subsidiaries each reserve the right to monitor all e-mail communications through its networks. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, except where the message states otherwise and the sender is authorized to state them to be the views of any such entity. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Mladen Gogala INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from
RE: RE: RE: DB2 has a foot in the door
Standard life? I thought that you work for Oriole corp.? -- Mladen Gogala Oracle DBA -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Stephane Paquette Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2003 11:39 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: RE: RE: RE: DB2 has a foot in the door I used to work for a large but non profit organisation (.org) and we were using Oracle, the sales rep never send us Christmas card for sure Stephane -Original Message- Mladen Gogala Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2003 11:30 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L There should be a low level pricing for home users, so that people who download oracle may use metalink. I would pay for home support if it was something like $150/ year for my Linux box. There should also be a low price for small companies wih 16 users. One should be able to buy a 16 users license for around $2000. I know a caterer that went with SQL Server because of the price and development tools availability as well as the atitude of the salesman that he turned to. I know that a small CT caterer with 9 employees is not Merryl-Lynch or Chase, but it is a business nevertheless and having a database in there buys a mindshare. Caterers have to keep track of the orders, ingredients and schedules and they do need a database. At present, there is a condescending attitude toward those people and that only helps our favorite company in Redmond, WA. -- Mladen Gogala Oracle DBA -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Goulet, Dick Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2003 10:44 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: RE: RE: RE: DB2 has a foot in the door I believe Mr. Ellison is responding to a lot of market pressure, and failing DB sales. I know it would be a relief here to see this inplace soon, but as always the DEVIL is in the details. Dick Goulet Senior Oracle DBA Oracle Certified 8i DBA -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 6:59 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Nope, that's what voting machines are invented for. They work almost perfectly in almost every state. -- Mladen Gogala Oracle DBA -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nuno Pinto do Souto Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 6:45 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: Re: RE: RE: DB2 has a foot in the door Boivin, Patrice J [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Something like that at the bottom of this article: http://www.computerworld.com/news/2003/story/0,11280,84773,00.html Counting processors is very hard. It's very hard to count users I thought that's what count(*) was invented for? Larry can truly be the Prime Minister of the Bleeding Obvious when he wants... Cheers Nuno Souto [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Nuno Pinto do Souto INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). Note: This message is for the named person's use only. It may contain confidential, proprietary or legally privileged information. No confidentiality or privilege is waived or lost by any mistransmission. If you receive this message in error, please immediately delete it and all copies of it from your system, destroy any hard copies of it and notify the sender. You must not, directly or indirectly, use, disclose, distribute, print, or copy any part of this message if you are not the intended recipient. Wang Trading LLC and any of its subsidiaries each reserve the right to monitor all e-mail communications through its networks. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, except where the message states otherwise and the sender is authorized to state them to be the views of any such entity. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Mladen Gogala INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services
RE: RE: RE: DB2 has a foot in the door
At the time, no policy. Yes we were paying for the software. Small market but a lot of visibility : IATA (International Air Transport Association), ICAO (International Civil Aviation Organization) those 2 run Oracle, plus all the UN organizations are non profit organizations. Stephane -Original Message- Boivin, Patrice J Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2003 12:54 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Speaking of non-profit organisations, what is Oracle's policy on that? Do they sell Oracle software to non-profit groups? Probably it's a small market at best, but Personal Oracle might meet their needs. Another group that comes to mind are high schools and colleges, they might want to purchase 1 or 2 licenses for their students to play with. Patrice. -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2003 12:39 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L I used to work for a large but non profit organisation (.org) and we were using Oracle, the sales rep never send us Christmas card for sure Stephane -Original Message- Mladen Gogala Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2003 11:30 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L There should be a low level pricing for home users, so that people who download oracle may use metalink. I would pay for home support if it was something like $150/ year for my Linux box. There should also be a low price for small companies wih 16 users. One should be able to buy a 16 users license for around $2000. I know a caterer that went with SQL Server because of the price and development tools availability as well as the atitude of the salesman that he turned to. I know that a small CT caterer with 9 employees is not Merryl-Lynch or Chase, but it is a business nevertheless and having a database in there buys a mindshare. Caterers have to keep track of the orders, ingredients and schedules and they do need a database. At present, there is a condescending attitude toward those people and that only helps our favorite company in Redmond, WA. -- Mladen Gogala Oracle DBA -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Goulet, Dick Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2003 10:44 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: RE: RE: RE: DB2 has a foot in the door I believe Mr. Ellison is responding to a lot of market pressure, and failing DB sales. I know it would be a relief here to see this inplace soon, but as always the DEVIL is in the details. Dick Goulet Senior Oracle DBA Oracle Certified 8i DBA -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 6:59 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Nope, that's what voting machines are invented for. They work almost perfectly in almost every state. -- Mladen Gogala Oracle DBA -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nuno Pinto do Souto Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 6:45 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: Re: RE: RE: DB2 has a foot in the door Boivin, Patrice J [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Something like that at the bottom of this article: http://www.computerworld.com/news/2003/story/0,11280,84773,00.html Counting processors is very hard. It's very hard to count users I thought that's what count(*) was invented for? Larry can truly be the Prime Minister of the Bleeding Obvious when he wants... Cheers Nuno Souto [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Nuno Pinto do Souto INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). Note: This message is for the named person's use only. It may contain confidential, proprietary or legally privileged information. No confidentiality or privilege is waived or lost by any mistransmission. If you receive this message in error, please immediately delete it and all copies of it from your system, destroy any hard copies of it and notify the sender. You must not, directly or indirectly, use, disclose, distribute, print, or copy any part of this message if you are not the intended recipient. Wang Trading LLC and any of its subsidiaries each reserve the right to monitor all e-mail communications through its networks. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, except where the message states otherwise and the sender
RE: RE: RE: DB2 has a foot in the door
There is at least 2 Stephane : Stephane Faroult (Oriole), Stephane Paquette (Standard Life) Stephane -Original Message- Mladen Gogala Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2003 2:50 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Standard life? I thought that you work for Oriole corp.? -- Mladen Gogala Oracle DBA -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Stephane Paquette Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2003 11:39 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: RE: RE: RE: DB2 has a foot in the door I used to work for a large but non profit organisation (.org) and we were using Oracle, the sales rep never send us Christmas card for sure Stephane -Original Message- Mladen Gogala Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2003 11:30 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L There should be a low level pricing for home users, so that people who download oracle may use metalink. I would pay for home support if it was something like $150/ year for my Linux box. There should also be a low price for small companies wih 16 users. One should be able to buy a 16 users license for around $2000. I know a caterer that went with SQL Server because of the price and development tools availability as well as the atitude of the salesman that he turned to. I know that a small CT caterer with 9 employees is not Merryl-Lynch or Chase, but it is a business nevertheless and having a database in there buys a mindshare. Caterers have to keep track of the orders, ingredients and schedules and they do need a database. At present, there is a condescending attitude toward those people and that only helps our favorite company in Redmond, WA. -- Mladen Gogala Oracle DBA -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Goulet, Dick Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2003 10:44 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: RE: RE: RE: DB2 has a foot in the door I believe Mr. Ellison is responding to a lot of market pressure, and failing DB sales. I know it would be a relief here to see this inplace soon, but as always the DEVIL is in the details. Dick Goulet Senior Oracle DBA Oracle Certified 8i DBA -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 6:59 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Nope, that's what voting machines are invented for. They work almost perfectly in almost every state. -- Mladen Gogala Oracle DBA -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nuno Pinto do Souto Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 6:45 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: Re: RE: RE: DB2 has a foot in the door Boivin, Patrice J [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Something like that at the bottom of this article: http://www.computerworld.com/news/2003/story/0,11280,84773,00.html Counting processors is very hard. It's very hard to count users I thought that's what count(*) was invented for? Larry can truly be the Prime Minister of the Bleeding Obvious when he wants... Cheers Nuno Souto [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Nuno Pinto do Souto INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). Note: This message is for the named person's use only. It may contain confidential, proprietary or legally privileged information. No confidentiality or privilege is waived or lost by any mistransmission. If you receive this message in error, please immediately delete it and all copies of it from your system, destroy any hard copies of it and notify the sender. You must not, directly or indirectly, use, disclose, distribute, print, or copy any part of this message if you are not the intended recipient. Wang Trading LLC and any of its subsidiaries each reserve the right to monitor all e-mail communications through its networks. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, except where the message states otherwise and the sender is authorized to state them to be the views of any such entity. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Mladen Gogala INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network
RE: RE: RE: DB2 has a foot in the door
At my university we were given Oracle licences .. as well as substantial gifts from Sun (Servers, workstations etc)... that way we finished University with good working knowledge of Solaris and Oracle on Solaris... Which is of course in their best interest... :S -Mensaje original- De: Boivin, Patrice J [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Enviado el: jueves, 11 de septiembre de 2003 12:54 Para: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Asunto: RE: RE: RE: DB2 has a foot in the door Speaking of non-profit organisations, what is Oracle's policy on that? Do they sell Oracle software to non-profit groups? Probably it's a small market at best, but Personal Oracle might meet their needs. Another group that comes to mind are high schools and colleges, they might want to purchase 1 or 2 licenses for their students to play with. Patrice. -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2003 12:39 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L I used to work for a large but non profit organisation (.org) and we were using Oracle, the sales rep never send us Christmas card for sure Stephane -Original Message- Mladen Gogala Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2003 11:30 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L There should be a low level pricing for home users, so that people who download oracle may use metalink. I would pay for home support if it was something like $150/ year for my Linux box. There should also be a low price for small companies wih 16 users. One should be able to buy a 16 users license for around $2000. I know a caterer that went with SQL Server because of the price and development tools availability as well as the atitude of the salesman that he turned to. I know that a small CT caterer with 9 employees is not Merryl-Lynch or Chase, but it is a business nevertheless and having a database in there buys a mindshare. Caterers have to keep track of the orders, ingredients and schedules and they do need a database. At present, there is a condescending attitude toward those people and that only helps our favorite company in Redmond, WA. -- Mladen Gogala Oracle DBA -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Goulet, Dick Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2003 10:44 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: RE: RE: RE: DB2 has a foot in the door I believe Mr. Ellison is responding to a lot of market pressure, and failing DB sales. I know it would be a relief here to see this inplace soon, but as always the DEVIL is in the details. Dick Goulet Senior Oracle DBA Oracle Certified 8i DBA -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 6:59 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Nope, that's what voting machines are invented for. They work almost perfectly in almost every state. -- Mladen Gogala Oracle DBA -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nuno Pinto do Souto Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 6:45 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: Re: RE: RE: DB2 has a foot in the door Boivin, Patrice J [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Something like that at the bottom of this article: http://www.computerworld.com/news/2003/story/0,11280,84773,00.html Counting processors is very hard. It's very hard to count users I thought that's what count(*) was invented for? Larry can truly be the Prime Minister of the Bleeding Obvious when he wants... Cheers Nuno Souto [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Nuno Pinto do Souto INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). Note: This message is for the named person's use only. It may contain confidential, proprietary or legally privileged information. No confidentiality or privilege is waived or lost by any mistransmission. If you receive this message in error, please immediately delete it and all copies of it from your system, destroy any hard copies of it and notify the sender. You must not, directly or indirectly, use, disclose, distribute, print, or copy any part of this message if you are not the intended recipient. Wang Trading LLC and any of its subsidiaries each reserve the right to monitor all e-mail communications through its networks. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender
Re: DB2 has a foot in the door
We also has site licensing. It was done 3-4 years ago. Maybe Oracle changed tactics since then. Yechiel Adar Mehish - Original Message - To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2003 1:49 PM Oracle does site licensing... but only if you are a very very large corporation. Citibank (when I worked there) had one. The company I work for now has one. So I don't ask do we have a license when I want to install a new version of Oracle, even if it is a new platform One of the few things that is easier working in a rigid corporate environment --- Mogens_Nørgaard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There's one thing that IBM can do, which Microsoft and Oracle can't offer: They do site licenses as well as cpu and user licensing. That just gives them an incredible advantage to management and others who can stop thinking about whether they should buy another server, move stuff from one server to the other, etc. I can't believe Oracle and Microsoft are not doing it (I think I can guess, but it's still not good). Mladen Gogala wrote: I believe that the answer to Stephane's question is obvious: Oracle 10g will cost 10 grands/ CPU. That's where the letter g is coming from. -- Mladen Gogala Oracle DBA -Original Message- DENNIS WILLIAMS Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 5:30 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Stephane We've been very excited about Oracle Standard Edition. Helped stave off the interest in MS SQL. Given the budget pressures at many organizations, I'm surprised we don't hear more about this alternative. Dennis Williams DBA, 80%OCP, 100% DBA Lifetouch, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 4:09 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Hi all, We're an Oracle shop, over 140 Oracle instances. Today, architecture has chosen IBM DB2 for BI projects. The next step I guessed will be to choose DB2 for the new transactionnal applications also. IBM offers DB2 at 25% less than Oracle. I wonder if Oracle 10G will come with a new pricing structure ? Stephane Paquette Administrateur de bases de donnees Database Administrator Standard Life www.standardlife.ca Tel. (514) 499-7999 7470 and (514) 925-7187 [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Mogens_N=F8rgaard?= INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Rachel Carmichael INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Yechiel Adar INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: DB2 has a foot in the door
When negotiating site licensing, does Oracle encourage the customers to buy EE licences? Or can people negotiate for a mix of EE or SE. Just curious, I don't know how that would work -- not very compatible with OracleStore, it seems to me. Patrice. -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 5:59 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L We also has site licensing. It was done 3-4 years ago. Maybe Oracle changed tactics since then. Yechiel Adar Mehish -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Boivin, Patrice J INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: DB2 has a foot in the door
Patrice Which license do you think provides the Oracle sales representative the largest commission? Money is considered an acceptable motivation for a sales rep. The key word in your statement is negotiating. Dennis Williams DBA, 80%OCP, 100% DBA Lifetouch, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 7:21 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L When negotiating site licensing, does Oracle encourage the customers to buy EE licences? Or can people negotiate for a mix of EE or SE. Just curious, I don't know how that would work -- not very compatible with OracleStore, it seems to me. Patrice. -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 5:59 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L We also has site licensing. It was done 3-4 years ago. Maybe Oracle changed tactics since then. Yechiel Adar Mehish -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Boivin, Patrice J INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: DENNIS WILLIAMS INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
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is SE alot more affordable than EE? CAn you un-bundle Oracle software and just buy the pieces you want to use or do you always have to buy the whole bundle? what about 9iAS? do you have to buy the whole bundle or can you just get pieces? From: Hitchman, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2003/09/10 Wed AM 09:54:35 EDT To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: DB2 has a foot in the door Hi, I looked into SE but found that Oracle would not allow it to be used on a machine that has 4 or more CPUs or can support that many CPUs, which for this company is a problem because we generally run Oracle on Sun servers. Don't know if that has changed now with later Oracle releases. Regards Pete -Original Message- Sent: 10 September 2003 13:21 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L When negotiating site licensing, does Oracle encourage the customers to buy EE licences? Or can people negotiate for a mix of EE or SE. Just curious, I don't know how that would work -- not very compatible with OracleStore, it seems to me. Patrice. -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 5:59 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L We also has site licensing. It was done 3-4 years ago. Maybe Oracle changed tactics since then. Yechiel Adar Mehish -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Boivin, Patrice J INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). __ The information contained in this email is confidential and intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. Thomson Scientific will accept no responsibility or liability in respect to this email other than to the addressee. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately via email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Hitchman, Peter INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: [EMAIL PROTECTED] INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: DB2 has a foot in the door
Hi, I looked into SE but found that Oracle would not allow it to be used on a machine that has 4 or more CPUs or can support that many CPUs, which for this company is a problem because we generally run Oracle on Sun servers. Don't know if that has changed now with later Oracle releases. Regards Pete -Original Message- Sent: 10 September 2003 13:21 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L When negotiating site licensing, does Oracle encourage the customers to buy EE licences? Or can people negotiate for a mix of EE or SE. Just curious, I don't know how that would work -- not very compatible with OracleStore, it seems to me. Patrice. -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 5:59 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L We also has site licensing. It was done 3-4 years ago. Maybe Oracle changed tactics since then. Yechiel Adar Mehish -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Boivin, Patrice J INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). __ The information contained in this email is confidential and intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. Thomson Scientific will accept no responsibility or liability in respect to this email other than to the addressee. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately via email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Hitchman, Peter INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: RE: DB2 has a foot in the door
Ryan Yes, MUCH more affordable, assuming you can live with the limitations. Check Oracle Store for current prices. I understand the 4-CPU limit still remains. There aren't too many unbundling options. Dennis Williams DBA, 80%OCP, 100% DBA Lifetouch, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 9:15 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L is SE alot more affordable than EE? CAn you un-bundle Oracle software and just buy the pieces you want to use or do you always have to buy the whole bundle? what about 9iAS? do you have to buy the whole bundle or can you just get pieces? From: Hitchman, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2003/09/10 Wed AM 09:54:35 EDT To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: DB2 has a foot in the door Hi, I looked into SE but found that Oracle would not allow it to be used on a machine that has 4 or more CPUs or can support that many CPUs, which for this company is a problem because we generally run Oracle on Sun servers. Don't know if that has changed now with later Oracle releases. Regards Pete -Original Message- Sent: 10 September 2003 13:21 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L When negotiating site licensing, does Oracle encourage the customers to buy EE licences? Or can people negotiate for a mix of EE or SE. Just curious, I don't know how that would work -- not very compatible with OracleStore, it seems to me. Patrice. -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 5:59 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L We also has site licensing. It was done 3-4 years ago. Maybe Oracle changed tactics since then. Yechiel Adar Mehish -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Boivin, Patrice J INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). __ The information contained in this email is confidential and intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. Thomson Scientific will accept no responsibility or liability in respect to this email other than to the addressee. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately via email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Hitchman, Peter INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: [EMAIL PROTECTED] INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: DENNIS WILLIAMS INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want
RE: RE: DB2 has a foot in the door
For 9iAS, you have to get the whole bundle. It doesn't include Excedrin, so desperately needed by anybody unfortunate enough to have to deal with 9iAS. -- Mladen Gogala Oracle DBA -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 10:15 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: Re: RE: DB2 has a foot in the door is SE alot more affordable than EE? CAn you un-bundle Oracle software and just buy the pieces you want to use or do you always have to buy the whole bundle? what about 9iAS? do you have to buy the whole bundle or can you just get pieces? From: Hitchman, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2003/09/10 Wed AM 09:54:35 EDT To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: DB2 has a foot in the door Hi, I looked into SE but found that Oracle would not allow it to be used on a machine that has 4 or more CPUs or can support that many CPUs, which for this company is a problem because we generally run Oracle on Sun servers. Don't know if that has changed now with later Oracle releases. Regards Pete -Original Message- Sent: 10 September 2003 13:21 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L When negotiating site licensing, does Oracle encourage the customers to buy EE licences? Or can people negotiate for a mix of EE or SE. Just curious, I don't know how that would work -- not very compatible with OracleStore, it seems to me. Patrice. -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 5:59 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L We also has site licensing. It was done 3-4 years ago. Maybe Oracle changed tactics since then. Yechiel Adar Mehish -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Boivin, Patrice J INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). __ The information contained in this email is confidential and intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. Thomson Scientific will accept no responsibility or liability in respect to this email other than to the addressee. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately via email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Hitchman, Peter INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: [EMAIL PROTECTED] INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). Note: This message is for the named person's use only. It may contain confidential, proprietary or legally privileged information. No confidentiality or privilege is waived or lost by any mistransmission. If you receive this message in error, please immediately delete it and all copies of it from your system, destroy any hard copies of it and notify the sender. You
RE: RE: DB2 has a foot in the door
how restrictive are db2 and sql server on bundling licenses? and CPU limitations? From: DENNIS WILLIAMS [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2003/09/10 Wed AM 10:29:25 EDT To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: RE: DB2 has a foot in the door Ryan Yes, MUCH more affordable, assuming you can live with the limitations. Check Oracle Store for current prices. I understand the 4-CPU limit still remains. There aren't too many unbundling options. Dennis Williams DBA, 80%OCP, 100% DBA Lifetouch, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 9:15 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L is SE alot more affordable than EE? CAn you un-bundle Oracle software and just buy the pieces you want to use or do you always have to buy the whole bundle? what about 9iAS? do you have to buy the whole bundle or can you just get pieces? From: Hitchman, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2003/09/10 Wed AM 09:54:35 EDT To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: DB2 has a foot in the door Hi, I looked into SE but found that Oracle would not allow it to be used on a machine that has 4 or more CPUs or can support that many CPUs, which for this company is a problem because we generally run Oracle on Sun servers. Don't know if that has changed now with later Oracle releases. Regards Pete -Original Message- Sent: 10 September 2003 13:21 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L When negotiating site licensing, does Oracle encourage the customers to buy EE licences? Or can people negotiate for a mix of EE or SE. Just curious, I don't know how that would work -- not very compatible with OracleStore, it seems to me. Patrice. -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 5:59 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L We also has site licensing. It was done 3-4 years ago. Maybe Oracle changed tactics since then. Yechiel Adar Mehish -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Boivin, Patrice J INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). __ The information contained in this email is confidential and intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. Thomson Scientific will accept no responsibility or liability in respect to this email other than to the addressee. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately via email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Hitchman, Peter INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: [EMAIL PROTECTED] INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: DENNIS WILLIAMS INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051
Oracle 9i and DB2 8.1 comparison article
http://www.databasejournal.com/features/oracle/article.php/3075071 Patrice. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Boivin, Patrice J INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: RE: DB2 has a foot in the door
The following may be pertinent to the current discussion of Oracle pricing models. Ellison sees new software pricing model Posted September 10, 5:07 a.m. Pacific Time SAN FRANCISCO -- The model of pricing enterprise software on a per-processor basis should be replaced with a flat annual fee that allows businesses to use as much software as they want, Oracle Corp.'s chairman and chief executive officer Larry Ellison said Tuesday. It becomes very hard to count processors and to count users, Ellison said, responding to a question on the future of software pricing at the OracleWorld show. Where I think we'll go is towards enterprise licensing. ... You pay an annual recurring fee and use as much software as you want, and I think that's a much more sensible model to use. In News -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 9:39 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L For 9iAS, you have to get the whole bundle. It doesn't include Excedrin, so desperately needed by anybody unfortunate enough to have to deal with 9iAS. -- Mladen Gogala Oracle DBA -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 10:15 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: Re: RE: DB2 has a foot in the door is SE alot more affordable than EE? CAn you un-bundle Oracle software and just buy the pieces you want to use or do you always have to buy the whole bundle? what about 9iAS? do you have to buy the whole bundle or can you just get pieces? From: Hitchman, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2003/09/10 Wed AM 09:54:35 EDT To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: DB2 has a foot in the door Hi, I looked into SE but found that Oracle would not allow it to be used on a machine that has 4 or more CPUs or can support that many CPUs, which for this company is a problem because we generally run Oracle on Sun servers. Don't know if that has changed now with later Oracle releases. Regards Pete -Original Message- Sent: 10 September 2003 13:21 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L When negotiating site licensing, does Oracle encourage the customers to buy EE licences? Or can people negotiate for a mix of EE or SE. Just curious, I don't know how that would work -- not very compatible with OracleStore, it seems to me. Patrice. -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 5:59 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L We also has site licensing. It was done 3-4 years ago. Maybe Oracle changed tactics since then. Yechiel Adar Mehish -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Boivin, Patrice J INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). __ The information contained in this email is confidential and intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. Thomson Scientific will accept no responsibility or liability in respect to this email other than to the addressee. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately via email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Hitchman, Peter INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: [EMAIL PROTECTED] INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services
RE: RE: DB2 has a foot in the door
Dennis, Do you have the source of this report??? Dick Goulet Senior Oracle DBA Oracle Certified 8i DBA -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 12:10 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L The following may be pertinent to the current discussion of Oracle pricing models. Ellison sees new software pricing model Posted September 10, 5:07 a.m. Pacific Time SAN FRANCISCO -- The model of pricing enterprise software on a per-processor basis should be replaced with a flat annual fee that allows businesses to use as much software as they want, Oracle Corp.'s chairman and chief executive officer Larry Ellison said Tuesday. It becomes very hard to count processors and to count users, Ellison said, responding to a question on the future of software pricing at the OracleWorld show. Where I think we'll go is towards enterprise licensing. ... You pay an annual recurring fee and use as much software as you want, and I think that's a much more sensible model to use. In News -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 9:39 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L For 9iAS, you have to get the whole bundle. It doesn't include Excedrin, so desperately needed by anybody unfortunate enough to have to deal with 9iAS. -- Mladen Gogala Oracle DBA -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 10:15 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: Re: RE: DB2 has a foot in the door is SE alot more affordable than EE? CAn you un-bundle Oracle software and just buy the pieces you want to use or do you always have to buy the whole bundle? what about 9iAS? do you have to buy the whole bundle or can you just get pieces? From: Hitchman, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2003/09/10 Wed AM 09:54:35 EDT To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: DB2 has a foot in the door Hi, I looked into SE but found that Oracle would not allow it to be used on a machine that has 4 or more CPUs or can support that many CPUs, which for this company is a problem because we generally run Oracle on Sun servers. Don't know if that has changed now with later Oracle releases. Regards Pete -Original Message- Sent: 10 September 2003 13:21 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L When negotiating site licensing, does Oracle encourage the customers to buy EE licences? Or can people negotiate for a mix of EE or SE. Just curious, I don't know how that would work -- not very compatible with OracleStore, it seems to me. Patrice. -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 5:59 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L We also has site licensing. It was done 3-4 years ago. Maybe Oracle changed tactics since then. Yechiel Adar Mehish -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Boivin, Patrice J INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). __ The information contained in this email is confidential and intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. Thomson Scientific will accept no responsibility or liability in respect to this email other than to the addressee. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately via email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Hitchman, Peter INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may
RE: RE: DB2 has a foot in the door
Dick - Sorry, Infoworld, I didn't realize the link would get stripped off. http://newsletter.infoworld.com/t?ctl=443575:1F31A10 Dennis Williams DBA, 80%OCP, 100% DBA Lifetouch, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 12:39 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Dennis, Do you have the source of this report??? Dick Goulet Senior Oracle DBA Oracle Certified 8i DBA -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 12:10 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L The following may be pertinent to the current discussion of Oracle pricing models. Ellison sees new software pricing model Posted September 10, 5:07 a.m. Pacific Time SAN FRANCISCO -- The model of pricing enterprise software on a per-processor basis should be replaced with a flat annual fee that allows businesses to use as much software as they want, Oracle Corp.'s chairman and chief executive officer Larry Ellison said Tuesday. It becomes very hard to count processors and to count users, Ellison said, responding to a question on the future of software pricing at the OracleWorld show. Where I think we'll go is towards enterprise licensing. .. You pay an annual recurring fee and use as much software as you want, and I think that's a much more sensible model to use. In News -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 9:39 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L For 9iAS, you have to get the whole bundle. It doesn't include Excedrin, so desperately needed by anybody unfortunate enough to have to deal with 9iAS. -- Mladen Gogala Oracle DBA -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 10:15 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: Re: RE: DB2 has a foot in the door is SE alot more affordable than EE? CAn you un-bundle Oracle software and just buy the pieces you want to use or do you always have to buy the whole bundle? what about 9iAS? do you have to buy the whole bundle or can you just get pieces? From: Hitchman, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2003/09/10 Wed AM 09:54:35 EDT To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: DB2 has a foot in the door Hi, I looked into SE but found that Oracle would not allow it to be used on a machine that has 4 or more CPUs or can support that many CPUs, which for this company is a problem because we generally run Oracle on Sun servers. Don't know if that has changed now with later Oracle releases. Regards Pete -Original Message- Sent: 10 September 2003 13:21 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L When negotiating site licensing, does Oracle encourage the customers to buy EE licences? Or can people negotiate for a mix of EE or SE. Just curious, I don't know how that would work -- not very compatible with OracleStore, it seems to me. Patrice. -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 5:59 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L We also has site licensing. It was done 3-4 years ago. Maybe Oracle changed tactics since then. Yechiel Adar Mehish -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Boivin, Patrice J INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). __ The information contained in this email is confidential and intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. Thomson Scientific will accept no responsibility or liability in respect to this email other than to the addressee. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately via email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Hitchman, Peter INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services
RE: RE: DB2 has a foot in the door
Here it is : http://www.infoworld.com/article/03/09/10/HNellisonpricing_1.html Stephane -Original Message- Goulet, Dick Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 1:39 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Dennis, Do you have the source of this report??? Dick Goulet Senior Oracle DBA Oracle Certified 8i DBA -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 12:10 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L The following may be pertinent to the current discussion of Oracle pricing models. Ellison sees new software pricing model Posted September 10, 5:07 a.m. Pacific Time SAN FRANCISCO -- The model of pricing enterprise software on a per-processor basis should be replaced with a flat annual fee that allows businesses to use as much software as they want, Oracle Corp.'s chairman and chief executive officer Larry Ellison said Tuesday. It becomes very hard to count processors and to count users, Ellison said, responding to a question on the future of software pricing at the OracleWorld show. Where I think we'll go is towards enterprise licensing. .. You pay an annual recurring fee and use as much software as you want, and I think that's a much more sensible model to use. In News -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 9:39 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L For 9iAS, you have to get the whole bundle. It doesn't include Excedrin, so desperately needed by anybody unfortunate enough to have to deal with 9iAS. -- Mladen Gogala Oracle DBA -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 10:15 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: Re: RE: DB2 has a foot in the door is SE alot more affordable than EE? CAn you un-bundle Oracle software and just buy the pieces you want to use or do you always have to buy the whole bundle? what about 9iAS? do you have to buy the whole bundle or can you just get pieces? From: Hitchman, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2003/09/10 Wed AM 09:54:35 EDT To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: DB2 has a foot in the door Hi, I looked into SE but found that Oracle would not allow it to be used on a machine that has 4 or more CPUs or can support that many CPUs, which for this company is a problem because we generally run Oracle on Sun servers. Don't know if that has changed now with later Oracle releases. Regards Pete -Original Message- Sent: 10 September 2003 13:21 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L When negotiating site licensing, does Oracle encourage the customers to buy EE licences? Or can people negotiate for a mix of EE or SE. Just curious, I don't know how that would work -- not very compatible with OracleStore, it seems to me. Patrice. -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 5:59 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L We also has site licensing. It was done 3-4 years ago. Maybe Oracle changed tactics since then. Yechiel Adar Mehish -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Boivin, Patrice J INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). __ The information contained in this email is confidential and intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. Thomson Scientific will accept no responsibility or liability in respect to this email other than to the addressee. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately via email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Hitchman, Peter INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling
RE: RE: DB2 has a foot in the door
Something like that at the bottom of this article: http://www.computerworld.com/news/2003/story/0,11280,84773,00.html Patrice. -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 2:39 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Dennis, Do you have the source of this report??? Dick Goulet Senior Oracle DBA Oracle Certified 8i DBA -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 12:10 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L The following may be pertinent to the current discussion of Oracle pricing models. Ellison sees new software pricing model Posted September 10, 5:07 a.m. Pacific Time SAN FRANCISCO -- The model of pricing enterprise software on a per-processor basis should be replaced with a flat annual fee that allows businesses to use as much software as they want, Oracle Corp.'s chairman and chief executive officer Larry Ellison said Tuesday. It becomes very hard to count processors and to count users, Ellison said, responding to a question on the future of software pricing at the OracleWorld show. Where I think we'll go is towards enterprise licensing. .. You pay an annual recurring fee and use as much software as you want, and I think that's a much more sensible model to use. In News -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 9:39 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L For 9iAS, you have to get the whole bundle. It doesn't include Excedrin, so desperately needed by anybody unfortunate enough to have to deal with 9iAS. -- Mladen Gogala Oracle DBA -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 10:15 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: Re: RE: DB2 has a foot in the door is SE alot more affordable than EE? CAn you un-bundle Oracle software and just buy the pieces you want to use or do you always have to buy the whole bundle? what about 9iAS? do you have to buy the whole bundle or can you just get pieces? From: Hitchman, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2003/09/10 Wed AM 09:54:35 EDT To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: DB2 has a foot in the door Hi, I looked into SE but found that Oracle would not allow it to be used on a machine that has 4 or more CPUs or can support that many CPUs, which for this company is a problem because we generally run Oracle on Sun servers. Don't know if that has changed now with later Oracle releases. Regards Pete -Original Message- Sent: 10 September 2003 13:21 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L When negotiating site licensing, does Oracle encourage the customers to buy EE licences? Or can people negotiate for a mix of EE or SE. Just curious, I don't know how that would work -- not very compatible with OracleStore, it seems to me. Patrice. -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 5:59 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L We also has site licensing. It was done 3-4 years ago. Maybe Oracle changed tactics since then. Yechiel Adar Mehish -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Boivin, Patrice J INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). __ The information contained in this email is confidential and intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. Thomson Scientific will accept no responsibility or liability in respect to this email other than to the addressee. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately via email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Hitchman, Peter INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from
RE: RE: DB2 has a foot in the door
I'm interested in the report also. Stephane Paquette Administrateur de bases de donnees Database Administrator Standard Life www.standardlife.ca Tel. (514) 499-7999 7470 and (514) 925-7187 [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Goulet, Dick Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 1:39 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Dennis, Do you have the source of this report??? Dick Goulet Senior Oracle DBA Oracle Certified 8i DBA -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 12:10 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L The following may be pertinent to the current discussion of Oracle pricing models. Ellison sees new software pricing model Posted September 10, 5:07 a.m. Pacific Time SAN FRANCISCO -- The model of pricing enterprise software on a per-processor basis should be replaced with a flat annual fee that allows businesses to use as much software as they want, Oracle Corp.'s chairman and chief executive officer Larry Ellison said Tuesday. It becomes very hard to count processors and to count users, Ellison said, responding to a question on the future of software pricing at the OracleWorld show. Where I think we'll go is towards enterprise licensing. ... You pay an annual recurring fee and use as much software as you want, and I think that's a much more sensible model to use. In News -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 9:39 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L For 9iAS, you have to get the whole bundle. It doesn't include Excedrin, so desperately needed by anybody unfortunate enough to have to deal with 9iAS. -- Mladen Gogala Oracle DBA -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 10:15 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: Re: RE: DB2 has a foot in the door is SE alot more affordable than EE? CAn you un-bundle Oracle software and just buy the pieces you want to use or do you always have to buy the whole bundle? what about 9iAS? do you have to buy the whole bundle or can you just get pieces? From: Hitchman, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2003/09/10 Wed AM 09:54:35 EDT To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: DB2 has a foot in the door Hi, I looked into SE but found that Oracle would not allow it to be used on a machine that has 4 or more CPUs or can support that many CPUs, which for this company is a problem because we generally run Oracle on Sun servers. Don't know if that has changed now with later Oracle releases. Regards Pete -Original Message- Sent: 10 September 2003 13:21 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L When negotiating site licensing, does Oracle encourage the customers to buy EE licences? Or can people negotiate for a mix of EE or SE. Just curious, I don't know how that would work -- not very compatible with OracleStore, it seems to me. Patrice. -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 5:59 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L We also has site licensing. It was done 3-4 years ago. Maybe Oracle changed tactics since then. Yechiel Adar Mehish -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Boivin, Patrice J INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). __ The information contained in this email is confidential and intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. Thomson Scientific will accept no responsibility or liability in respect to this email other than to the addressee. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately via email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Hitchman, Peter INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services
RE: Oracle 9i and DB2 8.1 comparison article
Title: Message Let me quote the conclusion of the article: ConclusionIt is not true that Oracle 9i Database is better than DB2 Universal Database v8.1or vice versa. Both products can be used to build stable and efficient systemsand the stability and effectiveness of your applications and databases depend rather upon the experience of the database developers and database administratorthan the database's provider. This is feature by feature comparison, made by using marketing materials from both companies as the main source. The purpose of this comparison is quite unclear to me. It underlines the differences in the approach between marketing teams from IBM and Oracle and will not be helpful to magazine reading damagement in deciding what database to buy. Marketing materials are, as expected, grossly inaccurate, so in comparison with SQL Server there is statement that maximum row size for SQL Server is 8036 characters, which would render it completely useless, while the maximum row size for Oracle9i was set to 255000 which would directly contradict to the existence of LONG columns, which as we all know, can go to 2GB. Author, nevertheless, puts this information in the "comparison". The conclusion is the same at the bottom of all 3 comparisons and that is that it's not true that one database is better then another, which is obviously not true. What is more, open source alternatives like Postgres and MySQL were left out of the comparison and they are rapidly gaining ground, especially Postgres, which supports transactions and can use perl as it's internal scripting language. --Mladen GogalaOracle DBA -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Boivin, Patrice J Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 12:05 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: Oracle 9i and DB2 8.1 comparison article http://www.databasejournal.com/features/oracle/article.php/3075071 Patrice. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Boivin, Patrice J INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services -- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California -- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). Note: This message is for the named person's use only. It may contain confidential, proprietary or legally privileged information. No confidentiality or privilege is waived or lost by any mistransmission. If you receive this message in error,please immediately delete it and all copies of it from your system, destroy any hard copies of it and notify the sender. You must not, directly or indirectly, use, disclose, distribute, print, or copy any part of this message if you are not the intended recipient.Wang Trading LLCand any of its subsidiaries each reserve the right to monitor all e-mail communications through its networks. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, except where the message states otherwise and the sender is authorized to state them to be the views of any such entity.
Re: RE: RE: DB2 has a foot in the door
Boivin, Patrice J [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Something like that at the bottom of this article: http://www.computerworld.com/news/2003/story/0,11280,84773,00.html Counting processors is very hard. It's very hard to count users I thought that's what count(*) was invented for? Larry can truly be the Prime Minister of the Bleeding Obvious when he wants... Cheers Nuno Souto [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Nuno Pinto do Souto INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: RE: RE: DB2 has a foot in the door
Nope, that's what voting machines are invented for. They work almost perfectly in almost every state. -- Mladen Gogala Oracle DBA -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nuno Pinto do Souto Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 6:45 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: Re: RE: RE: DB2 has a foot in the door Boivin, Patrice J [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Something like that at the bottom of this article: http://www.computerworld.com/news/2003/story/0,11280,84773,00.html Counting processors is very hard. It's very hard to count users I thought that's what count(*) was invented for? Larry can truly be the Prime Minister of the Bleeding Obvious when he wants... Cheers Nuno Souto [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Nuno Pinto do Souto INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). Note: This message is for the named person's use only. It may contain confidential, proprietary or legally privileged information. No confidentiality or privilege is waived or lost by any mistransmission. If you receive this message in error, please immediately delete it and all copies of it from your system, destroy any hard copies of it and notify the sender. You must not, directly or indirectly, use, disclose, distribute, print, or copy any part of this message if you are not the intended recipient. Wang Trading LLC and any of its subsidiaries each reserve the right to monitor all e-mail communications through its networks. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, except where the message states otherwise and the sender is authorized to state them to be the views of any such entity. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Mladen Gogala INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re[4]: DB2 has a foot in the door
Hey, how come my butterfly ballot has a staple in it's navel!?!?? M Nope, that's what voting machines are invented for. M They work almost perfectly in almost every state. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Robert Eskridge INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: Re: DB2 has a foot in the door
oracle is still the only one out there that has multi-version read consistency? I thought postre-gre sql had it? anyone else? everyone has row level locking right? From: Mogens Nørgaard [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2003/09/08 Mon AM 01:09:25 EDT To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: DB2 has a foot in the door Cost is the easy one. They run comparable to Microsoft or thereabout. They have various options I haven't looked at yet, that might make them more expensive than that. The DB2 on mainframes and the DB2 on Unix, for instance, were written by different teams. Which might explain why they didn't port the time-based instrumentation from the mainframe environment to the Unix port. So yeah, you probably can't just take code and move it. They have a pretty good porting tool between Oracle and DB2, though. We thought that was rather neat when we ran it against one of our customer's database definitions. The PL/SQL conversion came out alright, too, although there of course are things they can't do and vice versa. Broadly speaking, I think you can divide the databases of the world into three categories: 1. Oracle, with very good locking strategies, very good read consistency model, very good performance measurement instrumentation (time-based). 2. Other relational databases such as DB2, Sybase, SQL Server, Informix, etc. where they all share the same (to us Oracle-techies) strange locking philosophy, the same consistency model where you have to code more, and no wait-interface. 3. The rest. re 2: The locking philosophy difference means that you can still have readers block writers and writers block readers, unless you specifically handle how to do it on the transactional level. This explains why cloning databases for reporting purposes is so popular with other databases compared to the Oracle world :). IBM has pointed out in various whitepapers something which to us doesn't make sense, but which might make sense to others: If you want to have a portable application, you should probably choose one of the category II databases, since they're all pretty much alike in their behaviour on the important aspects of locking and read consistency. If you have to go to or from Oracle to or from another database, you'd have to change code a good deal or live with non-optimal conditions after the migration. Mogens Tom Ryan wrote: have you used DB2? How does it compare to Oracle? Ive seen tom kyte write that each platform that DB2 runs on is in essence a different database and you cant take code from one platform and move it to another. are the features comparable? what about cost? - Original Message - To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2003 8:54 AM VERY interesting. They refused to do site licensing at a 2 installation here. Thank you for this tip. Rachel Carmichael wrote: Oracle does site licensing... but only if you are a very very large corporation. Citibank (when I worked there) had one. The company I work for now has one. So I don't ask do we have a license when I want to install a new version of Oracle, even if it is a new platform One of the few things that is easier working in a rigid corporate environment --- Mogens_Nørgaard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There's one thing that IBM can do, which Microsoft and Oracle can't offer: They do site licenses as well as cpu and user licensing. That just gives them an incredible advantage to management and others who can stop thinking about whether they should buy another server, move stuff from one server to the other, etc. I can't believe Oracle and Microsoft are not doing it (I think I can guess, but it's still not good). Mladen Gogala wrote: I believe that the answer to Stephane's question is obvious: Oracle 10g will cost 10 grands/ CPU. That's where the letter g is coming from. -- Mladen Gogala Oracle DBA -Original Message- DENNIS WILLIAMS Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 5:30 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Stephane We've been very excited about Oracle Standard Edition. Helped stave off the interest in MS SQL. Given the budget pressures at many organizations, I'm surprised we don't hear more about this alternative. Dennis Williams DBA, 80%OCP, 100% DBA Lifetouch, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 4:09 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Hi all, We're an Oracle shop, over 140 Oracle instances. Today, architecture has chosen IBM DB2 for BI projects. The next step I guessed will be to choose DB2 for the new transactionnal applications also. IBM offers DB2
RE: DB2 has a foot in the door
Did they get a 75% discount?if not shame on the manager :) brian -Original Message- Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2003 7:49 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Oracle does site licensing... but only if you are a very very large corporation. Citibank (when I worked there) had one. The company I work for now has one. So I don't ask do we have a license when I want to install a new version of Oracle, even if it is a new platform One of the few things that is easier working in a rigid corporate environment --- Mogens_Nørgaard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There's one thing that IBM can do, which Microsoft and Oracle can't offer: They do site licenses as well as cpu and user licensing. That just gives them an incredible advantage to management and others who can stop thinking about whether they should buy another server, move stuff from one server to the other, etc. I can't believe Oracle and Microsoft are not doing it (I think I can guess, but it's still not good). Mladen Gogala wrote: I believe that the answer to Stephane's question is obvious: Oracle 10g will cost 10 grands/ CPU. That's where the letter g is coming from. -- Mladen Gogala Oracle DBA -Original Message- DENNIS WILLIAMS Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 5:30 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Stephane We've been very excited about Oracle Standard Edition. Helped stave off the interest in MS SQL. Given the budget pressures at many organizations, I'm surprised we don't hear more about this alternative. Dennis Williams DBA, 80%OCP, 100% DBA Lifetouch, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 4:09 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Hi all, We're an Oracle shop, over 140 Oracle instances. Today, architecture has chosen IBM DB2 for BI projects. The next step I guessed will be to choose DB2 for the new transactionnal applications also. IBM offers DB2 at 25% less than Oracle. I wonder if Oracle 10G will come with a new pricing structure ? Stephane Paquette Administrateur de bases de donnees Database Administrator Standard Life www.standardlife.ca Tel. (514) 499-7999 7470 and (514) 925-7187 [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Mogens_N=F8rgaard?= INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Rachel Carmichael INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Spears, Brian INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: DB2 has a foot in the door
All servers are running IBM Aix here, so I hope DB2 UDB will work correctly. For the price, IBM is giving us 25% cheaper any Oracle price. The database will be bundled with all IBM's BI software. On the negative side, DB2 has not a big and accessible community like Oracle. On the web you can find a lot of good Oracle sites (orapub, hotsos, Steve Adams, J lewis, Miracleas,...) and this list , with DB2 the community is way smaller. Stephane Paquette Administrateur de bases de donnees Database Administrator Standard Life www.standardlife.ca Tel. (514) 499-7999 7470 and (514) 925-7187 [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Ryan Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2003 2:55 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L how does DB2 compare to oracle cost wise? what about hard ware? does db2 require more hard ware than oracle does? how does its features compare? - Original Message - To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2003 2:24 PM One of my previous employers had a site license. Not a huge site, but not too small either. About 5000 employees, lots of IT in that business. Not only a site license, but a 72% discount. We had a *good* negotiator. Jared On Sun, 2003-09-07 at 00:34, Mogens Nrgaard wrote: There's one thing that IBM can do, which Microsoft and Oracle can't offer: They do site licenses as well as cpu and user licensing. That just gives them an incredible advantage to management and others who can stop thinking about whether they should buy another server, move stuff from one server to the other, etc. I can't believe Oracle and Microsoft are not doing it (I think I can guess, but it's still not good). Mladen Gogala wrote: I believe that the answer to Stephane's question is obvious: Oracle 10g will cost 10 grands/ CPU. That's where the letter g is coming from. -- Mladen Gogala Oracle DBA -Original Message- DENNIS WILLIAMS Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 5:30 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Stephane We've been very excited about Oracle Standard Edition. Helped stave off the interest in MS SQL. Given the budget pressures at many organizations, I'm surprised we don't hear more about this alternative. Dennis Williams DBA, 80%OCP, 100% DBA Lifetouch, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 4:09 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Hi all, We're an Oracle shop, over 140 Oracle instances. Today, architecture has chosen IBM DB2 for BI projects. The next step I guessed will be to choose DB2 for the new transactionnal applications also. IBM offers DB2 at 25% less than Oracle. I wonder if Oracle 10G will come with a new pricing structure ? Stephane Paquette Administrateur de bases de donnees Database Administrator Standard Life www.standardlife.ca Tel. (514) 499-7999 7470 and (514) 925-7187 [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Mogens_N=F8rgaard?= INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Jared Still INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Ryan INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name
RE: DB2 has a foot in the door
I had a 3 day training last year on db2 udb 7.2 when we were looking at it for a Siebel project who died. Yes, DB2 is not as Oracle who works the same on all platforms. I found db2 udb 7.2 missing basic functionnalities like there is no truncate table, you had to use the DB2 loader and load /dev/null in order to empty/truncate a table... The only time I used Oracle on different platforms was a while ago when we were using SQL*Forms 2.3 on DOS / Oracle 5 then moving the code to Oracle/MVS. Stephane -Original Message- Ryan Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2003 9:34 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L have you used DB2? How does it compare to Oracle? Ive seen tom kyte write that each platform that DB2 runs on is in essence a different database and you cant take code from one platform and move it to another. are the features comparable? what about cost? - Original Message - To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2003 8:54 AM VERY interesting. They refused to do site licensing at a 2 installation here. Thank you for this tip. Rachel Carmichael wrote: Oracle does site licensing... but only if you are a very very large corporation. Citibank (when I worked there) had one. The company I work for now has one. So I don't ask do we have a license when I want to install a new version of Oracle, even if it is a new platform One of the few things that is easier working in a rigid corporate environment --- Mogens_Nørgaard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There's one thing that IBM can do, which Microsoft and Oracle can't offer: They do site licenses as well as cpu and user licensing. That just gives them an incredible advantage to management and others who can stop thinking about whether they should buy another server, move stuff from one server to the other, etc. I can't believe Oracle and Microsoft are not doing it (I think I can guess, but it's still not good). Mladen Gogala wrote: I believe that the answer to Stephane's question is obvious: Oracle 10g will cost 10 grands/ CPU. That's where the letter g is coming from. -- Mladen Gogala Oracle DBA -Original Message- DENNIS WILLIAMS Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 5:30 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Stephane We've been very excited about Oracle Standard Edition. Helped stave off the interest in MS SQL. Given the budget pressures at many organizations, I'm surprised we don't hear more about this alternative. Dennis Williams DBA, 80%OCP, 100% DBA Lifetouch, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 4:09 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Hi all, We're an Oracle shop, over 140 Oracle instances. Today, architecture has chosen IBM DB2 for BI projects. The next step I guessed will be to choose DB2 for the new transactionnal applications also. IBM offers DB2 at 25% less than Oracle. I wonder if Oracle 10G will come with a new pricing structure ? Stephane Paquette Administrateur de bases de donnees Database Administrator Standard Life www.standardlife.ca Tel. (514) 499-7999 7470 and (514) 925-7187 [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Mogens_N=F8rgaard?= INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Mogens_N=F8rgaard?= INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Ryan INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services
RE: DB2 has a foot in the door
I believe they did actually. which gives you an idea of what the market will bear if Oracle can give that large a discount --- Spears, Brian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Did they get a 75% discount?if not shame on the manager :) brian -Original Message- Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2003 7:49 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Oracle does site licensing... but only if you are a very very large corporation. Citibank (when I worked there) had one. The company I work for now has one. So I don't ask do we have a license when I want to install a new version of Oracle, even if it is a new platform One of the few things that is easier working in a rigid corporate environment --- Mogens_Nørgaard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There's one thing that IBM can do, which Microsoft and Oracle can't offer: They do site licenses as well as cpu and user licensing. That just gives them an incredible advantage to management and others who can stop thinking about whether they should buy another server, move stuff from one server to the other, etc. I can't believe Oracle and Microsoft are not doing it (I think I can guess, but it's still not good). Mladen Gogala wrote: I believe that the answer to Stephane's question is obvious: Oracle 10g will cost 10 grands/ CPU. That's where the letter g is coming from. -- Mladen Gogala Oracle DBA -Original Message- DENNIS WILLIAMS Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 5:30 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Stephane We've been very excited about Oracle Standard Edition. Helped stave off the interest in MS SQL. Given the budget pressures at many organizations, I'm surprised we don't hear more about this alternative. Dennis Williams DBA, 80%OCP, 100% DBA Lifetouch, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 4:09 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Hi all, We're an Oracle shop, over 140 Oracle instances. Today, architecture has chosen IBM DB2 for BI projects. The next step I guessed will be to choose DB2 for the new transactionnal applications also. IBM offers DB2 at 25% less than Oracle. I wonder if Oracle 10G will come with a new pricing structure ? Stephane Paquette Administrateur de bases de donnees Database Administrator Standard Life www.standardlife.ca Tel. (514) 499-7999 7470 and (514) 925-7187 [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Mogens_N=F8rgaard?= INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Rachel Carmichael INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Spears, Brian INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net
RE: DB2 has a foot in the door
Mogens wrote from IBM whitepapers: If you want to have a portable application, you should probably choose one of the category II databases . . . I nearly fell off my chair laughing. There are some political leaders that could use a marketing person with that finesse. Thanks for brightening a Monday morning. Dennis Williams DBA, 80%OCP, 100% DBA Lifetouch, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Monday, September 08, 2003 12:09 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Cost is the easy one. They run comparable to Microsoft or thereabout. They have various options I haven't looked at yet, that might make them more expensive than that. The DB2 on mainframes and the DB2 on Unix, for instance, were written by different teams. Which might explain why they didn't port the time-based instrumentation from the mainframe environment to the Unix port. So yeah, you probably can't just take code and move it. They have a pretty good porting tool between Oracle and DB2, though. We thought that was rather neat when we ran it against one of our customer's database definitions. The PL/SQL conversion came out alright, too, although there of course are things they can't do and vice versa. Broadly speaking, I think you can divide the databases of the world into three categories: 1. Oracle, with very good locking strategies, very good read consistency model, very good performance measurement instrumentation (time-based). 2. Other relational databases such as DB2, Sybase, SQL Server, Informix, etc. where they all share the same (to us Oracle-techies) strange locking philosophy, the same consistency model where you have to code more, and no wait-interface. 3. The rest. re 2: The locking philosophy difference means that you can still have readers block writers and writers block readers, unless you specifically handle how to do it on the transactional level. This explains why cloning databases for reporting purposes is so popular with other databases compared to the Oracle world :). IBM has pointed out in various whitepapers something which to us doesn't make sense, but which might make sense to others: If you want to have a portable application, you should probably choose one of the category II databases, since they're all pretty much alike in their behaviour on the important aspects of locking and read consistency. If you have to go to or from Oracle to or from another database, you'd have to change code a good deal or live with non-optimal conditions after the migration. Mogens Tom Ryan wrote: have you used DB2? How does it compare to Oracle? Ive seen tom kyte write that each platform that DB2 runs on is in essence a different database and you cant take code from one platform and move it to another. are the features comparable? what about cost? - Original Message - To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2003 8:54 AM VERY interesting. They refused to do site licensing at a 2 installation here. Thank you for this tip. Rachel Carmichael wrote: Oracle does site licensing... but only if you are a very very large corporation. Citibank (when I worked there) had one. The company I work for now has one. So I don't ask do we have a license when I want to install a new version of Oracle, even if it is a new platform One of the few things that is easier working in a rigid corporate environment --- Mogens_Nørgaard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There's one thing that IBM can do, which Microsoft and Oracle can't offer: They do site licenses as well as cpu and user licensing. That just gives them an incredible advantage to management and others who can stop thinking about whether they should buy another server, move stuff from one server to the other, etc. I can't believe Oracle and Microsoft are not doing it (I think I can guess, but it's still not good). Mladen Gogala wrote: I believe that the answer to Stephane's question is obvious: Oracle 10g will cost 10 grands/ CPU. That's where the letter g is coming from. -- Mladen Gogala Oracle DBA -Original Message- DENNIS WILLIAMS Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 5:30 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Stephane We've been very excited about Oracle Standard Edition. Helped stave off the interest in MS SQL. Given the budget pressures at many organizations, I'm surprised we don't hear more about this alternative. Dennis Williams DBA, 80%OCP, 100% DBA Lifetouch, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 4:09 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Hi all, We're an Oracle shop, over 140 Oracle instances. Today, architecture has chosen IBM DB2 for BI projects. The next step I guessed will be to choose DB2 for the new transactionnal applications also. IBM offers DB2 at 25% less than
RE: DB2 has a foot in the door
Stephan, There have already been a pile of replies to your statements, which are all true, but one does get left out. You get DB2 at 25% off because there's 50% less in there. If you like OEM and/or the management server, forget it. You have to buy it elsewhere, and I believe CA has the best one out there at 200% the cost. On the other hand, Oracle really does have to do something to get rid of the Platinum plated label. Their emphasis on using SE vs. EE has been pretty strong lately. Dick Goulet Senior Oracle DBA Oracle Certified 8i DBA -Original Message- Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 5:09 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Hi all, We're an Oracle shop, over 140 Oracle instances. Today, architecture has chosen IBM DB2 for BI projects. The next step I guessed will be to choose DB2 for the new transactionnal applications also. IBM offers DB2 at 25% less than Oracle. I wonder if Oracle 10G will come with a new pricing structure ? Stephane Paquette Administrateur de bases de donnees Database Administrator Standard Life www.standardlife.ca Tel. (514) 499-7999 7470 and (514) 925-7187 [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Stephane Paquette INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Goulet, Dick INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: DB2 has a foot in the door
Yeah, it's rather cool to read. I think it was Connor who originally forwarded them to the OakTable list. But we ran into one example where it made sense: A customer needed to move an application from Sybase to either Oracle og SQL Server. Well, it was way easier to move the Transact SQL (or whatever their PL/SQL-like thing is called) from Sybase to SQL Server because of their common heritage. Moving it to Oracle would have meant a good deal of re-coding. DENNIS WILLIAMS wrote: Mogens wrote from IBM whitepapers: If you want to have a portable application, you should probably choose one of the category II databases . . . I nearly fell off my chair laughing. There are some political leaders that could use a marketing person with that finesse. Thanks for brightening a Monday morning. Dennis Williams DBA, 80%OCP, 100% DBA Lifetouch, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Monday, September 08, 2003 12:09 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Cost is the easy one. They run comparable to Microsoft or thereabout. They have various options I haven't looked at yet, that might make them more expensive than that. The DB2 on mainframes and the DB2 on Unix, for instance, were written by different teams. Which might explain why they didn't port the time-based instrumentation from the mainframe environment to the Unix port. So yeah, you probably can't just take code and move it. They have a pretty good porting tool between Oracle and DB2, though. We thought that was rather neat when we ran it against one of our customer's database definitions. The PL/SQL conversion came out alright, too, although there of course are things they can't do and vice versa. Broadly speaking, I think you can divide the databases of the world into three categories: 1. Oracle, with very good locking strategies, very good read consistency model, very good performance measurement instrumentation (time-based). 2. Other relational databases such as DB2, Sybase, SQL Server, Informix, etc. where they all share the same (to us Oracle-techies) strange locking philosophy, the same consistency model where you have to code more, and no wait-interface. 3. The rest. re 2: The locking philosophy difference means that you can still have readers block writers and writers block readers, unless you specifically handle how to do it on the transactional level. This explains why cloning databases for reporting purposes is so popular with other databases compared to the Oracle world :). IBM has pointed out in various whitepapers something which to us doesn't make sense, but which might make sense to others: If you want to have a portable application, you should probably choose one of the category II databases, since they're all pretty much alike in their behaviour on the important aspects of locking and read consistency. If you have to go to or from Oracle to or from another database, you'd have to change code a good deal or live with non-optimal conditions after the migration. Mogens Tom Ryan wrote: have you used DB2? How does it compare to Oracle? Ive seen tom kyte write that each platform that DB2 runs on is in essence a different database and you cant take code from one platform and move it to another. are the features comparable? what about cost? - Original Message - To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2003 8:54 AM VERY interesting. They refused to do site licensing at a 2 installation here. Thank you for this tip. Rachel Carmichael wrote: Oracle does site licensing... but only if you are a very very large corporation. Citibank (when I worked there) had one. The company I work for now has one. So I don't ask do we have a license when I want to install a new version of Oracle, even if it is a new platform One of the few things that is easier working in a rigid corporate environment --- Mogens_Nørgaard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There's one thing that IBM can do, which Microsoft and Oracle can't offer: They do site licenses as well as cpu and user licensing. That just gives them an incredible advantage to management and others who can stop thinking about whether they should buy another server, move stuff from one server to the other, etc. I can't believe Oracle and Microsoft are not doing it (I think I can guess, but it's still not good). Mladen Gogala wrote: I believe that the answer to Stephane's question is obvious: Oracle 10g will cost 10 grands/ CPU. That's where the letter g is coming from. -- Mladen Gogala Oracle DBA -Original Message- DENNIS WILLIAMS Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 5:30 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Stephane We've been very excited about Oracle Standard Edition. Helped stave off the interest in MS SQL. Given the budget pressures at many
Re: DB2 has a foot in the door
There's one thing that IBM can do, which Microsoft and Oracle can't offer: They do site licenses as well as cpu and user licensing. That just gives them an incredible advantage to management and others who can stop thinking about whether they should buy another server, move stuff from one server to the other, etc. I can't believe Oracle and Microsoft are not doing it (I think I can guess, but it's still not good). Mladen Gogala wrote: I believe that the answer to Stephane's question is obvious: Oracle 10g will cost 10 grands/ CPU. That's where the letter g is coming from. -- Mladen Gogala Oracle DBA -Original Message- DENNIS WILLIAMS Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 5:30 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Stephane We've been very excited about Oracle Standard Edition. Helped stave off the interest in MS SQL. Given the budget pressures at many organizations, I'm surprised we don't hear more about this alternative. Dennis Williams DBA, 80%OCP, 100% DBA Lifetouch, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 4:09 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Hi all, We're an Oracle shop, over 140 Oracle instances. Today, architecture has chosen IBM DB2 for BI projects. The next step I guessed will be to choose DB2 for the new transactionnal applications also. IBM offers DB2 at 25% less than Oracle. I wonder if Oracle 10G will come with a new pricing structure ? Stephane Paquette Administrateur de bases de donnees Database Administrator Standard Life www.standardlife.ca Tel. (514) 499-7999 7470 and (514) 925-7187 [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Mogens_N=F8rgaard?= INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: DB2 has a foot in the door
Oracle does site licensing... but only if you are a very very large corporation. Citibank (when I worked there) had one. The company I work for now has one. So I don't ask do we have a license when I want to install a new version of Oracle, even if it is a new platform One of the few things that is easier working in a rigid corporate environment --- Mogens_Nørgaard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There's one thing that IBM can do, which Microsoft and Oracle can't offer: They do site licenses as well as cpu and user licensing. That just gives them an incredible advantage to management and others who can stop thinking about whether they should buy another server, move stuff from one server to the other, etc. I can't believe Oracle and Microsoft are not doing it (I think I can guess, but it's still not good). Mladen Gogala wrote: I believe that the answer to Stephane's question is obvious: Oracle 10g will cost 10 grands/ CPU. That's where the letter g is coming from. -- Mladen Gogala Oracle DBA -Original Message- DENNIS WILLIAMS Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 5:30 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Stephane We've been very excited about Oracle Standard Edition. Helped stave off the interest in MS SQL. Given the budget pressures at many organizations, I'm surprised we don't hear more about this alternative. Dennis Williams DBA, 80%OCP, 100% DBA Lifetouch, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 4:09 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Hi all, We're an Oracle shop, over 140 Oracle instances. Today, architecture has chosen IBM DB2 for BI projects. The next step I guessed will be to choose DB2 for the new transactionnal applications also. IBM offers DB2 at 25% less than Oracle. I wonder if Oracle 10G will come with a new pricing structure ? Stephane Paquette Administrateur de bases de donnees Database Administrator Standard Life www.standardlife.ca Tel. (514) 499-7999 7470 and (514) 925-7187 [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Mogens_N=F8rgaard?= INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Rachel Carmichael INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: DB2 has a foot in the door
VERY interesting. They refused to do site licensing at a 2 installation here. Thank you for this tip. Rachel Carmichael wrote: Oracle does site licensing... but only if you are a very very large corporation. Citibank (when I worked there) had one. The company I work for now has one. So I don't ask do we have a license when I want to install a new version of Oracle, even if it is a new platform One of the few things that is easier working in a rigid corporate environment --- Mogens_Nørgaard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There's one thing that IBM can do, which Microsoft and Oracle can't offer: They do site licenses as well as cpu and user licensing. That just gives them an incredible advantage to management and others who can stop thinking about whether they should buy another server, move stuff from one server to the other, etc. I can't believe Oracle and Microsoft are not doing it (I think I can guess, but it's still not good). Mladen Gogala wrote: I believe that the answer to Stephane's question is obvious: Oracle 10g will cost 10 grands/ CPU. That's where the letter g is coming from. -- Mladen Gogala Oracle DBA -Original Message- DENNIS WILLIAMS Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 5:30 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Stephane We've been very excited about Oracle Standard Edition. Helped stave off the interest in MS SQL. Given the budget pressures at many organizations, I'm surprised we don't hear more about this alternative. Dennis Williams DBA, 80%OCP, 100% DBA Lifetouch, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 4:09 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Hi all, We're an Oracle shop, over 140 Oracle instances. Today, architecture has chosen IBM DB2 for BI projects. The next step I guessed will be to choose DB2 for the new transactionnal applications also. IBM offers DB2 at 25% less than Oracle. I wonder if Oracle 10G will come with a new pricing structure ? Stephane Paquette Administrateur de bases de donnees Database Administrator Standard Life www.standardlife.ca Tel. (514) 499-7999 7470 and (514) 925-7187 [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Mogens_N=F8rgaard?= INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Mogens_N=F8rgaard?= INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: DB2 has a foot in the door
have you used DB2? How does it compare to Oracle? Ive seen tom kyte write that each platform that DB2 runs on is in essence a different database and you cant take code from one platform and move it to another. are the features comparable? what about cost? - Original Message - To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2003 8:54 AM VERY interesting. They refused to do site licensing at a 2 installation here. Thank you for this tip. Rachel Carmichael wrote: Oracle does site licensing... but only if you are a very very large corporation. Citibank (when I worked there) had one. The company I work for now has one. So I don't ask do we have a license when I want to install a new version of Oracle, even if it is a new platform One of the few things that is easier working in a rigid corporate environment --- Mogens_Nørgaard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There's one thing that IBM can do, which Microsoft and Oracle can't offer: They do site licenses as well as cpu and user licensing. That just gives them an incredible advantage to management and others who can stop thinking about whether they should buy another server, move stuff from one server to the other, etc. I can't believe Oracle and Microsoft are not doing it (I think I can guess, but it's still not good). Mladen Gogala wrote: I believe that the answer to Stephane's question is obvious: Oracle 10g will cost 10 grands/ CPU. That's where the letter g is coming from. -- Mladen Gogala Oracle DBA -Original Message- DENNIS WILLIAMS Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 5:30 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Stephane We've been very excited about Oracle Standard Edition. Helped stave off the interest in MS SQL. Given the budget pressures at many organizations, I'm surprised we don't hear more about this alternative. Dennis Williams DBA, 80%OCP, 100% DBA Lifetouch, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 4:09 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Hi all, We're an Oracle shop, over 140 Oracle instances. Today, architecture has chosen IBM DB2 for BI projects. The next step I guessed will be to choose DB2 for the new transactionnal applications also. IBM offers DB2 at 25% less than Oracle. I wonder if Oracle 10G will come with a new pricing structure ? Stephane Paquette Administrateur de bases de donnees Database Administrator Standard Life www.standardlife.ca Tel. (514) 499-7999 7470 and (514) 925-7187 [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Mogens_N=F8rgaard?= INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Mogens_N=F8rgaard?= INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Ryan INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: DB2 has a foot in the door
been too long since I've done any DB2 work for me to remember it.. I was barely involved in the work then, primarily the Oracle DBA. As for the site licenses... these are likely to have been in place for a LONG time (I left Citibank in '98) and the company I work for now has been around for a lot of years. I suppose it's possible they don't do them anymore, but since they are already in place, they have to keep it going. --- Ryan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: have you used DB2? How does it compare to Oracle? Ive seen tom kyte write that each platform that DB2 runs on is in essence a different database and you cant take code from one platform and move it to another. are the features comparable? what about cost? - Original Message - To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2003 8:54 AM VERY interesting. They refused to do site licensing at a 2 installation here. Thank you for this tip. Rachel Carmichael wrote: Oracle does site licensing... but only if you are a very very large corporation. Citibank (when I worked there) had one. The company I work for now has one. So I don't ask do we have a license when I want to install a new version of Oracle, even if it is a new platform One of the few things that is easier working in a rigid corporate environment --- Mogens_Nørgaard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There's one thing that IBM can do, which Microsoft and Oracle can't offer: They do site licenses as well as cpu and user licensing. That just gives them an incredible advantage to management and others who can stop thinking about whether they should buy another server, move stuff from one server to the other, etc. I can't believe Oracle and Microsoft are not doing it (I think I can guess, but it's still not good). Mladen Gogala wrote: I believe that the answer to Stephane's question is obvious: Oracle 10g will cost 10 grands/ CPU. That's where the letter g is coming from. -- Mladen Gogala Oracle DBA -Original Message- DENNIS WILLIAMS Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 5:30 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Stephane We've been very excited about Oracle Standard Edition. Helped stave off the interest in MS SQL. Given the budget pressures at many organizations, I'm surprised we don't hear more about this alternative. Dennis Williams DBA, 80%OCP, 100% DBA Lifetouch, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 4:09 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Hi all, We're an Oracle shop, over 140 Oracle instances. Today, architecture has chosen IBM DB2 for BI projects. The next step I guessed will be to choose DB2 for the new transactionnal applications also. IBM offers DB2 at 25% less than Oracle. I wonder if Oracle 10G will come with a new pricing structure ? Stephane Paquette Administrateur de bases de donnees Database Administrator Standard Life www.standardlife.ca Tel. (514) 499-7999 7470 and (514) 925-7187 [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Mogens_N=F8rgaard?= INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Mogens_N=F8rgaard?= INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Ryan INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat
Re: DB2 has a foot in the door
One of my previous employers had a site license. Not a huge site, but not too small either. About 5000 employees, lots of IT in that business. Not only a site license, but a 72% discount. We had a *good* negotiator. Jared On Sun, 2003-09-07 at 00:34, Mogens Nrgaard wrote: There's one thing that IBM can do, which Microsoft and Oracle can't offer: They do site licenses as well as cpu and user licensing. That just gives them an incredible advantage to management and others who can stop thinking about whether they should buy another server, move stuff from one server to the other, etc. I can't believe Oracle and Microsoft are not doing it (I think I can guess, but it's still not good). Mladen Gogala wrote: I believe that the answer to Stephane's question is obvious: Oracle 10g will cost 10 grands/ CPU. That's where the letter g is coming from. -- Mladen Gogala Oracle DBA -Original Message- DENNIS WILLIAMS Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 5:30 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Stephane We've been very excited about Oracle Standard Edition. Helped stave off the interest in MS SQL. Given the budget pressures at many organizations, I'm surprised we don't hear more about this alternative. Dennis Williams DBA, 80%OCP, 100% DBA Lifetouch, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 4:09 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Hi all, We're an Oracle shop, over 140 Oracle instances. Today, architecture has chosen IBM DB2 for BI projects. The next step I guessed will be to choose DB2 for the new transactionnal applications also. IBM offers DB2 at 25% less than Oracle. I wonder if Oracle 10G will come with a new pricing structure ? Stephane Paquette Administrateur de bases de donnees Database Administrator Standard Life www.standardlife.ca Tel. (514) 499-7999 7470 and (514) 925-7187 [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Mogens_N=F8rgaard?= INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Jared Still INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: DB2 has a foot in the door
how does DB2 compare to oracle cost wise? what about hard ware? does db2 require more hard ware than oracle does? how does its features compare? - Original Message - To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2003 2:24 PM One of my previous employers had a site license. Not a huge site, but not too small either. About 5000 employees, lots of IT in that business. Not only a site license, but a 72% discount. We had a *good* negotiator. Jared On Sun, 2003-09-07 at 00:34, Mogens Nrgaard wrote: There's one thing that IBM can do, which Microsoft and Oracle can't offer: They do site licenses as well as cpu and user licensing. That just gives them an incredible advantage to management and others who can stop thinking about whether they should buy another server, move stuff from one server to the other, etc. I can't believe Oracle and Microsoft are not doing it (I think I can guess, but it's still not good). Mladen Gogala wrote: I believe that the answer to Stephane's question is obvious: Oracle 10g will cost 10 grands/ CPU. That's where the letter g is coming from. -- Mladen Gogala Oracle DBA -Original Message- DENNIS WILLIAMS Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 5:30 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Stephane We've been very excited about Oracle Standard Edition. Helped stave off the interest in MS SQL. Given the budget pressures at many organizations, I'm surprised we don't hear more about this alternative. Dennis Williams DBA, 80%OCP, 100% DBA Lifetouch, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 4:09 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Hi all, We're an Oracle shop, over 140 Oracle instances. Today, architecture has chosen IBM DB2 for BI projects. The next step I guessed will be to choose DB2 for the new transactionnal applications also. IBM offers DB2 at 25% less than Oracle. I wonder if Oracle 10G will come with a new pricing structure ? Stephane Paquette Administrateur de bases de donnees Database Administrator Standard Life www.standardlife.ca Tel. (514) 499-7999 7470 and (514) 925-7187 [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Mogens_N=F8rgaard?= INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Jared Still INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Ryan INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: DB2 has a foot in the door
Cost is the easy one. They run comparable to Microsoft or thereabout. They have various options I haven't looked at yet, that might make them more expensive than that. The DB2 on mainframes and the DB2 on Unix, for instance, were written by different teams. Which might explain why they didn't port the time-based instrumentation from the mainframe environment to the Unix port. So yeah, you probably can't just take code and move it. They have a pretty good porting tool between Oracle and DB2, though. We thought that was rather neat when we ran it against one of our customer's database definitions. The PL/SQL conversion came out alright, too, although there of course are things they can't do and vice versa. Broadly speaking, I think you can divide the databases of the world into three categories: 1. Oracle, with very good locking strategies, very good read consistency model, very good performance measurement instrumentation (time-based). 2. Other relational databases such as DB2, Sybase, SQL Server, Informix, etc. where they all share the same (to us Oracle-techies) strange locking philosophy, the same consistency model where you have to code more, and no wait-interface. 3. The rest. re 2: The locking philosophy difference means that you can still have readers block writers and writers block readers, unless you specifically handle how to do it on the transactional level. This explains why cloning databases for reporting purposes is so popular with other databases compared to the Oracle world :). IBM has pointed out in various whitepapers something which to us doesn't make sense, but which might make sense to others: If you want to have a portable application, you should probably choose one of the category II databases, since they're all pretty much alike in their behaviour on the important aspects of locking and read consistency. If you have to go to or from Oracle to or from another database, you'd have to change code a good deal or live with non-optimal conditions after the migration. Mogens Tom Ryan wrote: have you used DB2? How does it compare to Oracle? Ive seen tom kyte write that each platform that DB2 runs on is in essence a different database and you cant take code from one platform and move it to another. are the features comparable? what about cost? - Original Message - To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2003 8:54 AM VERY interesting. They refused to do site licensing at a 2 installation here. Thank you for this tip. Rachel Carmichael wrote: Oracle does site licensing... but only if you are a very very large corporation. Citibank (when I worked there) had one. The company I work for now has one. So I don't ask do we have a license when I want to install a new version of Oracle, even if it is a new platform One of the few things that is easier working in a rigid corporate environment --- Mogens_Nørgaard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There's one thing that IBM can do, which Microsoft and Oracle can't offer: They do site licenses as well as cpu and user licensing. That just gives them an incredible advantage to management and others who can stop thinking about whether they should buy another server, move stuff from one server to the other, etc. I can't believe Oracle and Microsoft are not doing it (I think I can guess, but it's still not good). Mladen Gogala wrote: I believe that the answer to Stephane's question is obvious: Oracle 10g will cost 10 grands/ CPU. That's where the letter g is coming from. -- Mladen Gogala Oracle DBA -Original Message- DENNIS WILLIAMS Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 5:30 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Stephane We've been very excited about Oracle Standard Edition. Helped stave off the interest in MS SQL. Given the budget pressures at many organizations, I'm surprised we don't hear more about this alternative. Dennis Williams DBA, 80%OCP, 100% DBA Lifetouch, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 4:09 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Hi all, We're an Oracle shop, over 140 Oracle instances. Today, architecture has chosen IBM DB2 for BI projects. The next step I guessed will be to choose DB2 for the new transactionnal applications also. IBM offers DB2 at 25% less than Oracle. I wonder if Oracle 10G will come with a new pricing structure ? Stephane Paquette Administrateur de bases de donnees Database Administrator Standard Life www.standardlife.ca Tel. (514) 499-7999 7470 and (514) 925-7187 [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Mogens_N=F8rgaard?= INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California
DB2 has a foot in the door
Hi all, We're an Oracle shop, over 140 Oracle instances. Today, architecture has chosen IBM DB2 for BI projects. The next step I guessed will be to choose DB2 for the new transactionnal applications also. IBM offers DB2 at 25% less than Oracle. I wonder if Oracle 10G will come with a new pricing structure ? Stephane Paquette Administrateur de bases de donnees Database Administrator Standard Life www.standardlife.ca Tel. (514) 499-7999 7470 and (514) 925-7187 [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Stephane Paquette INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: DB2 has a foot in the door
Stephane We've been very excited about Oracle Standard Edition. Helped stave off the interest in MS SQL. Given the budget pressures at many organizations, I'm surprised we don't hear more about this alternative. Dennis Williams DBA, 80%OCP, 100% DBA Lifetouch, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 4:09 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Hi all, We're an Oracle shop, over 140 Oracle instances. Today, architecture has chosen IBM DB2 for BI projects. The next step I guessed will be to choose DB2 for the new transactionnal applications also. IBM offers DB2 at 25% less than Oracle. I wonder if Oracle 10G will come with a new pricing structure ? Stephane Paquette Administrateur de bases de donnees Database Administrator Standard Life www.standardlife.ca Tel. (514) 499-7999 7470 and (514) 925-7187 [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Stephane Paquette INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: DENNIS WILLIAMS INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: DB2 has a foot in the door
I believe that the answer to Stephane's question is obvious: Oracle 10g will cost 10 grands/ CPU. That's where the letter g is coming from. -- Mladen Gogala Oracle DBA -Original Message- DENNIS WILLIAMS Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 5:30 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Stephane We've been very excited about Oracle Standard Edition. Helped stave off the interest in MS SQL. Given the budget pressures at many organizations, I'm surprised we don't hear more about this alternative. Dennis Williams DBA, 80%OCP, 100% DBA Lifetouch, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 4:09 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Hi all, We're an Oracle shop, over 140 Oracle instances. Today, architecture has chosen IBM DB2 for BI projects. The next step I guessed will be to choose DB2 for the new transactionnal applications also. IBM offers DB2 at 25% less than Oracle. I wonder if Oracle 10G will come with a new pricing structure ? Stephane Paquette Administrateur de bases de donnees Database Administrator Standard Life www.standardlife.ca Tel. (514) 499-7999 7470 and (514) 925-7187 [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Stephane Paquette INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: DENNIS WILLIAMS INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). Note: This message is for the named person's use only. It may contain confidential, proprietary or legally privileged information. No confidentiality or privilege is waived or lost by any mistransmission. If you receive this message in error, please immediately delete it and all copies of it from your system, destroy any hard copies of it and notify the sender. You must not, directly or indirectly, use, disclose, distribute, print, or copy any part of this message if you are not the intended recipient. Wang Trading LLC and any of its subsidiaries each reserve the right to monitor all e-mail communications through its networks. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, except where the message states otherwise and the sender is authorized to state them to be the views of any such entity. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Mladen Gogala INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Recent reports on outages caused by DB2 and 9iRAC issues
WOW! Those are some good stories to keep in mind... And some folks wonder why techies like working with computers more than working with people. ;-) Trying to be wise as a serpent and harmless as a dove... -Original Message- Sent: Friday, July 18, 2003 1:49 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L my 2¢ is it all depends on who you are. A few good ones I'm aware of. Confessors within the last 9 months, I know of one company where a DBA (unknown to mgt.) inadvertently dropped something and was able to fix it within a few minutes. I'm not sure if anyone other than operations noticed. Mgt. response: his mistake would be recognized on his yearly bonus. A couple months later at the same company, a well known DBA (one of the boys) brought down the web database for a couple of hours. Nothing was said. Mgt. response We all make mistakes. Be more careful. Cowards A few years earlier at the same company, I remember a DBA who was doing maintenance and messed up. He never confessed to creating the problem, but did take credit for fixing it. Mgt. response: he was awarded a certificate for Going the Extra Mile... :) Steve - Original Message - To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 18, 2003 1:34 PM I've only made one mistake in my life and that was the time when I thought I was wrong. ;-) OK, getting serious... I've found it's best to QUICKLY be 100% truthful. If you get crucified for it then it may be that damagement needs to lighten up. Unfortunately the fear of damagement causes wheel spinning work-arounds to compromises of the facts. ;-) I once inadvertently brought a 24X7 production system down by shutting down a test database that was managed by Veritas Cluster Server junk. A hands on type director had added it to the cluster without telling me so when I shut down the test database the cluster stuff tried to fail over and everything came crashing down. I got the blame so it was a real cluster-f*** because the damager wouldn't accept any responsibility for this episode. Later he decided to change some Unix stuff all on his own and the result was that the system was down quite some time. He as rather cavalier about the outage and danced around the truth. Ultimately his prevarications caught up with him and he was dismissed on the spot. Justice was served. -Original Message- Sent: Friday, July 18, 2003 11:59 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Importance: High I always admit when I make a mistake. Gives me much more credibility when I say this time it ISN'T me --- Goulet, Dick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I prefer my bosses attitude on the subject of mistakes: Admit that you did it then go fix it. We'll crucify you later, if we have the time. For some reason, known only to the Devil himself, they never find the time. Dick Goulet Senior Oracle DBA Oracle Certified 8i DBA -Original Message- Sent: Friday, July 18, 2003 1:14 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L This reminds of watching the Indy 500 a couple of years ago. One of the drivers managed to spin in turn 4 of the first lap of the race, and subsequently was unable to finish the race. Before continuing, you need to know that when in a corner, one thing you should *never* do is take your foot off of the gas pedal. The resulting weight transfer will greatly reduce the amount of weight on the rear tires, and could easily cause you to spin. Back to the story: The driver was interviewed shortly afterward in the pits, and put the blame squarely on the car. It was something with the car. Technology in the form of an onboard camera told another story. He let off the gas twice in turn 4. The first time the rear of the car squirmed a bit and he recovered. The second time it sounded like he completely released the accelerator, and the spin came shortly afterwards. He could have been a smart guy too, if he had remembered the camera. Too bad there wasn't a camera on the smart guys at Orbitz, maybe it would tell a different story. ;) None of us are immune to making mistakes, and about the time you start feeling invincible, watch out. Jared Goulet, Dick [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 07/18/2003 09:44 AM Please respond to ORACLE-L To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Subject:RE: Recent reports on outages caused by DB2 and 9iRAC issues Interesting quote in eWeek. We may all be smart guys, but how often do we like to admit to causing a problem. Dick Goulet Senior Oracle DBA Oracle Certified 8i DBA -Original Message- Sent: Friday, July 18, 2003 11:55 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Reports on Bugs in IBM's DB2 which led to a critical operational situation
Re: DB2 pointers
From a previous request to the list try these: DB2 links from SearchDatabase.com - http://searchdatabase.techtarget.com/bestWebLinks/0,289521,sid13_tax282900,00.html Learning the Lingo - article from DB2 Magazine that maps some Oracle and DB2 concepts - http://www.db2mag.com/db_area/archives/2002/q1/pdfs/Kolluru.pdf DB2 Self-Study course (u can download it for free): http://www-3.ibm.com/software/data/db2/selfstudy/index.html DB2 Manuals - http://www-3.ibm.com/cgi-bin/db2www/data/db2/udb/winos2unix/support/v7pubs.d2w/en_main hth, Marin Cheers -- = Peter McLarty E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Technical ConsultantWWW: http://www.mincom.com APAC Technical Services Phone: +61 (0)7 3303 3461 Brisbane, AustraliaMobile: +61 (0)402 094 238 Facsimile: +61 (0)7 3303 3048 = A great pleasure in life is doing what people say you cannot do. - Walter Bagehot (1826-1877 British Economist) = Mincom The People, The Experience, The Vision = This transmission is for the intended addressee only and is confidential information. If you have received this transmission in error, please delete it and notify the sender. The contents of this e-mail are the opinion of the writer only and are not endorsed by the Mincom Group of companies unless expressly stated otherwise. hrishy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 19-07-2003 04:34 PM Please respond to ORACLE-L To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Subject:DB2 pointers Hi All are there any Db2 mailing lists which are active like this one..where i can develop my knowledge on Db2.I know this is a Oracle mailing lists but i thought maybe one of you might be Db2 DBA as well.. regards Hrishy Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Yahoo! Messenger http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/ -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: =?iso-8859-1?q?hrishy?= INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Recent reports on outages caused by DB2 and 9iRAC issues
Reports on Bugs in IBM's DB2 which led to a critical operational situation http://theregister.co.uk/content/archive/30095.html and http://www.danskebank.com/link/ITreport20030403uk/$file/ITreport20030403uk.pdf Report on Orbitz blaming an outage on Oracle's 9iRAC [and Orbitz going out of 9iRAC] http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,3959,1196879,00.asp and http://www.computerworld.com/databasetopics/data/software/story/0,10801,83186,00.html Hemant K Chitale Oracle 9i Database Administrator Certified Professional My personal web site is : http://hkchital.tripod.com -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Hemant K Chitale INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Recent reports on outages caused by DB2 and 9iRAC issues
_ Tim Onions Head of Oracle and Web Development Speech Machines (A MedQuist Company) ...the speech-to-data Application Service Provider Tel: +44.1684.312364 http://www.speechmachines.com -Original Message-From: Hemant K Chitale [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: 18 July 2003 16:55To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-LSubject: Recent reports on outages caused by DB2 and 9iRAC issuesReports on "Bugs" in IBM's DB2 which led to "a critical operational situation"http://theregister.co.uk/content/archive/30095.html and http://www.danskebank.com/link/ITreport20030403uk/$file/ITreport20030403uk.pdfReport on Orbitz blaming an outage on Oracle's 9iRAC [and Orbitz going out of 9iRAC] http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,3959,1196879,00.asp and http://www.computerworld.com/databasetopics/data/software/story/0,10801,83186,00.html Hemant K ChitaleOracle 9i Database Administrator Certified ProfessionalMy personal web site is : http://hkchital.tripod.com-- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Hemant K Chitale INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services -- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California -- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Recent reports on outages caused by DB2 and 9iRAC issues
Interesting quote in eWeek. We may all be "smart guys", but how often do we like to admit to causing a problem. Dick GouletSenior Oracle DBAOracle Certified 8i DBA -Original Message-From: Hemant K Chitale [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Friday, July 18, 2003 11:55 AMTo: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-LSubject: Recent reports on outages caused by DB2 and 9iRAC issuesReports on "Bugs" in IBM's DB2 which led to "a critical operational situation"http://theregister.co.uk/content/archive/30095.html and http://www.danskebank.com/link/ITreport20030403uk/$file/ITreport20030403uk.pdfReport on Orbitz blaming an outage on Oracle's 9iRAC [and Orbitz going out of 9iRAC] http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,3959,1196879,00.asp and http://www.computerworld.com/databasetopics/data/software/story/0,10801,83186,00.html Hemant K ChitaleOracle 9i Database Administrator Certified ProfessionalMy personal web site is : http://hkchital.tripod.com-- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Hemant K Chitale INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services -- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California -- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Recent reports on outages caused by DB2 and 9iRAC issues
This reminds of watching the Indy 500 a couple of years ago. One of the drivers managed to spin in turn 4 of the first lap of the race, and subsequently was unable to finish the race. Before continuing, you need to know that when in a corner, one thing you should *never* do is take your foot off of the gas pedal. The resulting weight transfer will greatly reduce the amount of weight on the rear tires, and could easily cause you to spin. Back to the story: The driver was interviewed shortly afterward in the pits, and put the blame squarely on the car. It was something with the car. Technology in the form of an onboard camera told another story. He let off the gas twice in turn 4. The first time the rear of the car squirmed a bit and he recovered. The second time it sounded like he completely released the accelerator, and the spin came shortly afterwards. He could have been a smart guy too, if he had remembered the camera. Too bad there wasn't a camera on the smart guys at Orbitz, maybe it would tell a different story. ;) None of us are immune to making mistakes, and about the time you start feeling invincible, watch out. Jared Goulet, Dick [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 07/18/2003 09:44 AM Please respond to ORACLE-L To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Subject:RE: Recent reports on outages caused by DB2 and 9iRAC issues Interesting quote in eWeek. We may all be smart guys, but how often do we like to admit to causing a problem. Dick Goulet Senior Oracle DBA Oracle Certified 8i DBA -Original Message- Sent: Friday, July 18, 2003 11:55 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Reports on Bugs in IBM's DB2 which led to a critical operational situation http://theregister.co.uk/content/archive/30095.html and http://www.danskebank.com/link/ITreport20030403uk/$file/ITreport20030403uk.pdf Report on Orbitz blaming an outage on Oracle's 9iRAC [and Orbitz going out of 9iRAC] http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,3959,1196879,00.asp and http://www.computerworld.com/databasetopics/data/software/story/0,10801,83186,00.html Hemant K Chitale Oracle 9i Database Administrator Certified Professional My personal web site is : http://hkchital.tripod.com -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Hemant K Chitale INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services -- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California -- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Recent reports on outages caused by DB2 and 9iRAC issues
I prefer my bosses attitude on the subject of mistakes: Admit that you did it then go fix it. We'll crucify you later, if we have the time. For some reason, known only to the Devil himself, they never find the time. Dick Goulet Senior Oracle DBA Oracle Certified 8i DBA -Original Message- Sent: Friday, July 18, 2003 1:14 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L This reminds of watching the Indy 500 a couple of years ago. One of the drivers managed to spin in turn 4 of the first lap of the race, and subsequently was unable to finish the race. Before continuing, you need to know that when in a corner, one thing you should *never* do is take your foot off of the gas pedal. The resulting weight transfer will greatly reduce the amount of weight on the rear tires, and could easily cause you to spin. Back to the story: The driver was interviewed shortly afterward in the pits, and put the blame squarely on the car. It was something with the car. Technology in the form of an onboard camera told another story. He let off the gas twice in turn 4. The first time the rear of the car squirmed a bit and he recovered. The second time it sounded like he completely released the accelerator, and the spin came shortly afterwards. He could have been a smart guy too, if he had remembered the camera. Too bad there wasn't a camera on the smart guys at Orbitz, maybe it would tell a different story. ;) None of us are immune to making mistakes, and about the time you start feeling invincible, watch out. Jared Goulet, Dick [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 07/18/2003 09:44 AM Please respond to ORACLE-L To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Subject:RE: Recent reports on outages caused by DB2 and 9iRAC issues Interesting quote in eWeek. We may all be smart guys, but how often do we like to admit to causing a problem. Dick Goulet Senior Oracle DBA Oracle Certified 8i DBA -Original Message- Sent: Friday, July 18, 2003 11:55 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Reports on Bugs in IBM's DB2 which led to a critical operational situation http://theregister.co.uk/content/archive/30095.html and http://www.danskebank.com/link/ITreport20030403uk/$file/ITreport20030403uk.pdf Report on Orbitz blaming an outage on Oracle's 9iRAC [and Orbitz going out of 9iRAC] http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,3959,1196879,00.asp and http://www.computerworld.com/databasetopics/data/software/story/0,10801,83186,00.html Hemant K Chitale Oracle 9i Database Administrator Certified Professional My personal web site is : http://hkchital.tripod.com -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Hemant K Chitale INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services -- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California -- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Goulet, Dick INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Recent reports on outages caused by DB2 and 9iRAC issues
Title: RE: Recent reports on outages caused by DB2 and 9iRAC issues Dick, we don't share the same boss ... do we? Raj Rajendra dot Jamadagni at nospamespn dot com All Views expressed in this email are strictly personal. QOTD: Any clod can have facts, having an opinion is an art ! -Original Message- From: Goulet, Dick [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, July 18, 2003 1:39 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: RE: Recent reports on outages caused by DB2 and 9iRAC issues I prefer my bosses attitude on the subject of mistakes: Admit that you did it then go fix it. We'll crucify you later, if we have the time. For some reason, known only to the Devil himself, they never find the time. This e-mail message is confidential, intended only for the named recipient(s) above and may contain information that is privileged, attorney work product or exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If you have received this message in error, or are not the named recipient(s), please immediately notify corporate MIS at (860) 766-2000 and delete this e-mail message from your computer, Thank you.*2
RE: Recent reports on outages caused by DB2 and 9iRAC issues
I always admit when I make a mistake. Gives me much more credibility when I say this time it ISN'T me --- Goulet, Dick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I prefer my bosses attitude on the subject of mistakes: Admit that you did it then go fix it. We'll crucify you later, if we have the time. For some reason, known only to the Devil himself, they never find the time. Dick Goulet Senior Oracle DBA Oracle Certified 8i DBA -Original Message- Sent: Friday, July 18, 2003 1:14 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L This reminds of watching the Indy 500 a couple of years ago. One of the drivers managed to spin in turn 4 of the first lap of the race, and subsequently was unable to finish the race. Before continuing, you need to know that when in a corner, one thing you should *never* do is take your foot off of the gas pedal. The resulting weight transfer will greatly reduce the amount of weight on the rear tires, and could easily cause you to spin. Back to the story: The driver was interviewed shortly afterward in the pits, and put the blame squarely on the car. It was something with the car. Technology in the form of an onboard camera told another story. He let off the gas twice in turn 4. The first time the rear of the car squirmed a bit and he recovered. The second time it sounded like he completely released the accelerator, and the spin came shortly afterwards. He could have been a smart guy too, if he had remembered the camera. Too bad there wasn't a camera on the smart guys at Orbitz, maybe it would tell a different story. ;) None of us are immune to making mistakes, and about the time you start feeling invincible, watch out. Jared Goulet, Dick [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 07/18/2003 09:44 AM Please respond to ORACLE-L To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Subject:RE: Recent reports on outages caused by DB2 and 9iRAC issues Interesting quote in eWeek. We may all be smart guys, but how often do we like to admit to causing a problem. Dick Goulet Senior Oracle DBA Oracle Certified 8i DBA -Original Message- Sent: Friday, July 18, 2003 11:55 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Reports on Bugs in IBM's DB2 which led to a critical operational situation http://theregister.co.uk/content/archive/30095.html and http://www.danskebank.com/link/ITreport20030403uk/$file/ITreport20030403uk.pdf Report on Orbitz blaming an outage on Oracle's 9iRAC [and Orbitz going out of 9iRAC] http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,3959,1196879,00.asp and http://www.computerworld.com/databasetopics/data/software/story/0,10801,83186,00.html Hemant K Chitale Oracle 9i Database Administrator Certified Professional My personal web site is : http://hkchital.tripod.com -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Hemant K Chitale INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services -- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California -- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Goulet, Dick INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). __ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL
RE: Recent reports on outages caused by DB2 and 9iRAC issues
I've only made one mistake in my life and that was the time when I thought I was wrong. ;-) OK, getting serious... I've found it's best to QUICKLY be 100% truthful. If you get crucified for it then it may be that damagement needs to lighten up. Unfortunately the fear of damagement causes wheel spinning work-arounds to compromises of the facts. ;-) I once inadvertently brought a 24X7 production system down by shutting down a test database that was managed by Veritas Cluster Server junk. A hands on type director had added it to the cluster without telling me so when I shut down the test database the cluster stuff tried to fail over and everything came crashing down. I got the blame so it was a real cluster-f*** because the damager wouldn't accept any responsibility for this episode. Later he decided to change some Unix stuff all on his own and the result was that the system was down quite some time. He as rather cavalier about the outage and danced around the truth. Ultimately his prevarications caught up with him and he was dismissed on the spot. Justice was served. -Original Message- Sent: Friday, July 18, 2003 11:59 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Importance: High I always admit when I make a mistake. Gives me much more credibility when I say this time it ISN'T me --- Goulet, Dick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I prefer my bosses attitude on the subject of mistakes: Admit that you did it then go fix it. We'll crucify you later, if we have the time. For some reason, known only to the Devil himself, they never find the time. Dick Goulet Senior Oracle DBA Oracle Certified 8i DBA -Original Message- Sent: Friday, July 18, 2003 1:14 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L This reminds of watching the Indy 500 a couple of years ago. One of the drivers managed to spin in turn 4 of the first lap of the race, and subsequently was unable to finish the race. Before continuing, you need to know that when in a corner, one thing you should *never* do is take your foot off of the gas pedal. The resulting weight transfer will greatly reduce the amount of weight on the rear tires, and could easily cause you to spin. Back to the story: The driver was interviewed shortly afterward in the pits, and put the blame squarely on the car. It was something with the car. Technology in the form of an onboard camera told another story. He let off the gas twice in turn 4. The first time the rear of the car squirmed a bit and he recovered. The second time it sounded like he completely released the accelerator, and the spin came shortly afterwards. He could have been a smart guy too, if he had remembered the camera. Too bad there wasn't a camera on the smart guys at Orbitz, maybe it would tell a different story. ;) None of us are immune to making mistakes, and about the time you start feeling invincible, watch out. Jared Goulet, Dick [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 07/18/2003 09:44 AM Please respond to ORACLE-L To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Subject:RE: Recent reports on outages caused by DB2 and 9iRAC issues Interesting quote in eWeek. We may all be smart guys, but how often do we like to admit to causing a problem. Dick Goulet Senior Oracle DBA Oracle Certified 8i DBA -Original Message- Sent: Friday, July 18, 2003 11:55 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Reports on Bugs in IBM's DB2 which led to a critical operational situation http://theregister.co.uk/content/archive/30095.html and http://www.danskebank.com/link/ITreport20030403uk/$file/ITreport20030403 uk.pdf Report on Orbitz blaming an outage on Oracle's 9iRAC [and Orbitz going out of 9iRAC] http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,3959,1196879,00.asp and http://www.computerworld.com/databasetopics/data/software/story/0,10801, 83186,00.html Hemant K Chitale Oracle 9i Database Administrator Certified Professional My personal web site is : http://hkchital.tripod.com -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Hemant K Chitale INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services -- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California -- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San
RE: Recent reports on outages caused by DB2 and 9iRAC issues
I typically will not work for a boss who isn't like that. If I screw up, I'm the first to admit it (generally by a blood curdling scream). You can rake my sorry a. over the coals once the problem has been resolved. Ron Thomas Hypercom, Inc [EMAIL PROTECTED] Each new user of a new system uncovers a new class of bugs. -- Kernighan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]cc: .com Subject: RE: Recent reports on outages caused by DB2 and 9iRAC issues 07/18/2003 11:39 AM Please respond to ORACLE-L I prefer my bosses attitude on the subject of mistakes: Admit that you did it then go fix it. We'll crucify you later, if we have the time. For some reason, known only to the Devil himself, they never find the time. Dick Goulet Senior Oracle DBA Oracle Certified 8i DBA -Original Message- Sent: Friday, July 18, 2003 1:14 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L This reminds of watching the Indy 500 a couple of years ago. One of the drivers managed to spin in turn 4 of the first lap of the race, and subsequently was unable to finish the race. Before continuing, you need to know that when in a corner, one thing you should *never* do is take your foot off of the gas pedal. The resulting weight transfer will greatly reduce the amount of weight on the rear tires, and could easily cause you to spin. Back to the story: The driver was interviewed shortly afterward in the pits, and put the blame squarely on the car. It was something with the car. Technology in the form of an onboard camera told another story. He let off the gas twice in turn 4. The first time the rear of the car squirmed a bit and he recovered. The second time it sounded like he completely released the accelerator, and the spin came shortly afterwards. He could have been a smart guy too, if he had remembered the camera. Too bad there wasn't a camera on the smart guys at Orbitz, maybe it would tell a different story. ;) None of us are immune to making mistakes, and about the time you start feeling invincible, watch out. Jared Goulet, Dick [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 07/18/2003 09:44 AM Please respond to ORACLE-L To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Subject:RE: Recent reports on outages caused by DB2 and 9iRAC issues Interesting quote in eWeek. We may all be smart guys, but how often do we like to admit to causing a problem. Dick Goulet Senior Oracle DBA Oracle Certified 8i DBA -Original Message- Sent: Friday, July 18, 2003 11:55 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Reports on Bugs in IBM's DB2 which led to a critical operational situation http://theregister.co.uk/content/archive/30095.html and http://www.danskebank.com/link/ITreport20030403uk/$file/ITreport20030403uk.pdf Report on Orbitz blaming an outage on Oracle's 9iRAC [and Orbitz going out of 9iRAC] http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,3959,1196879,00.asp and http://www.computerworld.com/databasetopics/data/software/story/0,10801,83186,00.html Hemant K Chitale Oracle 9i Database Administrator Certified Professional My personal web site is : http://hkchital.tripod.com -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http
RE: Recent reports on outages caused by DB2 and 9iRAC issues
Title: RE: Recent reports on outages caused by DB2 and 9iRAC issues Raj, My previous boss's attitude was: To error is Human. To forgive is not SAC policy. SAC= Starategic Air Command. Dick GouletSenior Oracle DBAOracle Certified 8i DBA -Original Message-From: Jamadagni, Rajendra [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Friday, July 18, 2003 2:00 PMTo: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-LSubject: RE: Recent reports on outages caused by DB2 and 9iRAC issues Dick, we don't share the same boss ... do we? Raj Rajendra dot Jamadagni at nospamespn dot com All Views expressed in this email are strictly personal. QOTD: Any clod can have facts, having an opinion is an art ! -Original Message- From: Goulet, Dick [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, July 18, 2003 1:39 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: RE: Recent reports on outages caused by DB2 and 9iRAC issues I prefer my bosses attitude on the subject of mistakes: Admit that you did it then go fix it. We'll crucify you later, if we have the time. For some reason, known only to the Devil himself, they never find the time.
RE: Recent reports on outages caused by DB2 and 9iRAC issues
Title: RE: Recent reports on outages caused by DB2 and 9iRAC issues He-he. I stil have my SAC shoulder patch a mock of one with that phrase and it shows a fist holding a pair of well Dick, you have one too, Ill bet. :) --Walt Weaver Former KC-135 puke -Original Message- From: Goulet, Dick [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 18, 2003 12:35 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: RE: Recent reports on outages caused by DB2 and 9iRAC issues Raj, My previous boss's attitude was: To error is Human. To forgive is not SAC policy. SAC= Starategic Air Command. Dick Goulet Senior Oracle DBA Oracle Certified 8i DBA -Original Message- From: Jamadagni, Rajendra [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 18, 2003 2:00 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: RE: Recent reports on outages caused by DB2 and 9iRAC issues Dick, we don't share the same boss ... do we? Raj Rajendra dot Jamadagni at nospamespn dot com All Views expressed in this email are strictly personal. QOTD: Any clod can have facts, having an opinion is an art ! -Original Message- From: Goulet, Dick [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, July 18, 2003 1:39 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: RE: Recent reports on outages caused by DB2 and 9iRAC issues I prefer my bosses attitude on the subject of mistakes: Admit that you did it then go fix it. We'll crucify you later, if we have the time. For some reason, known only to the Devil himself, they never find the time.
RE: Recent reports on outages caused by DB2 and 9iRAC issues
That's funny, I thought SAC's motto was SAC eats it's young. Scott Shafer San Antonio, TX 210.581.6217 -Original Message- From: Goulet, Dick [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 18, 2003 1:35 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: RE: Recent reports on outages caused by DB2 and 9iRAC issues Raj, My previous boss's attitude was: To error is Human. To forgive is not SAC policy. SAC= Starategic Air Command. Dick Goulet Senior Oracle DBA Oracle Certified 8i DBA -Original Message- From: Jamadagni, Rajendra [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 18, 2003 2:00 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: RE: Recent reports on outages caused by DB2 and 9iRAC issues Dick, we don't share the same boss ... do we? Raj -- -- Rajendra dot Jamadagni at nospamespn dot com All Views expressed in this email are strictly personal. QOTD: Any clod can have facts, having an opinion is an art ! -Original Message- From: Goulet, Dick [ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, July 18, 2003 1:39 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: RE: Recent reports on outages caused by DB2 and 9iRAC issues I prefer my bosses attitude on the subject of mistakes: Admit that you did it then go fix it. We'll crucify you later, if we have the time. For some reason, known only to the Devil himself, they never find the time. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re[2]: Recent reports on outages caused by DB2 and 9iRAC issues
Not only should you confess to what you did promptly, confess to everything else too. If you do that often enough they quit believing you }:-) -rje O I've only made one mistake in my life and that was the time when I O thought I was wrong. ;-) O OK, getting serious... I've found it's best to QUICKLY be 100% truthful. O If you get crucified for it then it may be that damagement needs to O lighten up. Unfortunately the fear of damagement causes wheel spinning O work-arounds to compromises of the facts. ;-) O I once inadvertently brought a 24X7 production system down by shutting O down a test database that was managed by Veritas Cluster Server junk. O A hands on type director had added it to the cluster without telling me O so when I shut down the test database the cluster stuff tried to fail O over and everything came crashing down. I got the blame so it was a real O cluster-f*** because the damager wouldn't accept any responsibility O for this episode. Later he decided to change some Unix stuff all on his O own and the result was that the system was down quite some time. He as O rather cavalier about the outage and danced around the truth. Ultimately O his prevarications caught up with him and he was dismissed on the O spot. Justice was served. O -Original Message- O Sent: Friday, July 18, 2003 11:59 AM O To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L O Importance: High O I always admit when I make a mistake. Gives me much more credibility O when I say this time it ISN'T me -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Robert Eskridge INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Recent reports on outages caused by DB2 and 9iRAC issues
There use to be a third line to that that read Summary executions are SAC policy, but it just wasn't politically correct. Dick Goulet Senior Oracle DBA Oracle Certified 8i DBA -Original Message- [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 18, 2003 2:49 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L That's funny, I thought SAC's motto was SAC eats it's young. Scott Shafer San Antonio, TX 210.581.6217 -Original Message- From: Goulet, Dick [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 18, 2003 1:35 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: RE: Recent reports on outages caused by DB2 and 9iRAC issues Raj, My previous boss's attitude was: To error is Human. To forgive is not SAC policy. SAC= Starategic Air Command. Dick Goulet Senior Oracle DBA Oracle Certified 8i DBA -Original Message- From: Jamadagni, Rajendra [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 18, 2003 2:00 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: RE: Recent reports on outages caused by DB2 and 9iRAC issues Dick, we don't share the same boss ... do we? Raj -- -- Rajendra dot Jamadagni at nospamespn dot com All Views expressed in this email are strictly personal. QOTD: Any clod can have facts, having an opinion is an art ! -Original Message- From: Goulet, Dick [ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, July 18, 2003 1:39 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: RE: Recent reports on outages caused by DB2 and 9iRAC issues I prefer my bosses attitude on the subject of mistakes: Admit that you did it then go fix it. We'll crucify you later, if we have the time. For some reason, known only to the Devil himself, they never find the time. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Goulet, Dick INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Recent reports on outages caused by DB2 and 9iRAC issues
If anyone has any inside info on the Orbitz problem, I'd like to hear it. Email me private if you like, I'll take what you tell me to the grave. Robert Robert G. Freeman TUSC www.tusc.com Author books, books and more books! -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Freeman Robert - IL INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: Recent reports on outages caused by DB2 and 9iRAC issues
my 2¢ is it all depends on who you are. A few good ones I'm aware of. Confessors within the last 9 months, I know of one company where a DBA (unknown to mgt.) inadvertently dropped something and was able to fix it within a few minutes. I'm not sure if anyone other than operations noticed. Mgt. response: his mistake would be recognized on his yearly bonus. A couple months later at the same company, a well known DBA (one of the boys) brought down the web database for a couple of hours. Nothing was said. Mgt. response We all make mistakes. Be more careful. Cowards A few years earlier at the same company, I remember a DBA who was doing maintenance and messed up. He never confessed to creating the problem, but did take credit for fixing it. Mgt. response: he was awarded a certificate for Going the Extra Mile... :) Steve - Original Message - To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 18, 2003 1:34 PM I've only made one mistake in my life and that was the time when I thought I was wrong. ;-) OK, getting serious... I've found it's best to QUICKLY be 100% truthful. If you get crucified for it then it may be that damagement needs to lighten up. Unfortunately the fear of damagement causes wheel spinning work-arounds to compromises of the facts. ;-) I once inadvertently brought a 24X7 production system down by shutting down a test database that was managed by Veritas Cluster Server junk. A hands on type director had added it to the cluster without telling me so when I shut down the test database the cluster stuff tried to fail over and everything came crashing down. I got the blame so it was a real cluster-f*** because the damager wouldn't accept any responsibility for this episode. Later he decided to change some Unix stuff all on his own and the result was that the system was down quite some time. He as rather cavalier about the outage and danced around the truth. Ultimately his prevarications caught up with him and he was dismissed on the spot. Justice was served. -Original Message- Sent: Friday, July 18, 2003 11:59 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Importance: High I always admit when I make a mistake. Gives me much more credibility when I say this time it ISN'T me --- Goulet, Dick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I prefer my bosses attitude on the subject of mistakes: Admit that you did it then go fix it. We'll crucify you later, if we have the time. For some reason, known only to the Devil himself, they never find the time. Dick Goulet Senior Oracle DBA Oracle Certified 8i DBA -Original Message- Sent: Friday, July 18, 2003 1:14 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L This reminds of watching the Indy 500 a couple of years ago. One of the drivers managed to spin in turn 4 of the first lap of the race, and subsequently was unable to finish the race. Before continuing, you need to know that when in a corner, one thing you should *never* do is take your foot off of the gas pedal. The resulting weight transfer will greatly reduce the amount of weight on the rear tires, and could easily cause you to spin. Back to the story: The driver was interviewed shortly afterward in the pits, and put the blame squarely on the car. It was something with the car. Technology in the form of an onboard camera told another story. He let off the gas twice in turn 4. The first time the rear of the car squirmed a bit and he recovered. The second time it sounded like he completely released the accelerator, and the spin came shortly afterwards. He could have been a smart guy too, if he had remembered the camera. Too bad there wasn't a camera on the smart guys at Orbitz, maybe it would tell a different story. ;) None of us are immune to making mistakes, and about the time you start feeling invincible, watch out. Jared Goulet, Dick [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 07/18/2003 09:44 AM Please respond to ORACLE-L To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Subject:RE: Recent reports on outages caused by DB2 and 9iRAC issues Interesting quote in eWeek. We may all be smart guys, but how often do we like to admit to causing a problem. Dick Goulet Senior Oracle DBA Oracle Certified 8i DBA -Original Message- Sent: Friday, July 18, 2003 11:55 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Reports on Bugs in IBM's DB2 which led to a critical operational situation http://theregister.co.uk/content/archive/30095.html and http://www.danskebank.com/link/ITreport20030403uk/$file/ITreport20030403 uk.pdf Report on Orbitz blaming an outage on Oracle's 9iRAC [and Orbitz going out of 9iRAC] http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,3959,1196879,00.asp and http://www.computerworld.com/databasetopics/data
Re: Recent reports on outages caused by DB2 and 9iRAC issues
- Original Message - I'm all for summary executions due to the latter... :-) How nice. Fortunately, SAC doesn't much listen to your ideas... Cheers Nuno Souto [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Nuno Souto INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
DB2 pointers
Hi All are there any Db2 mailing lists which are active like this one..where i can develop my knowledge on Db2.I know this is a Oracle mailing lists but i thought maybe one of you might be Db2 DBA as well.. regards Hrishy Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Yahoo! Messenger http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/ -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: =?iso-8859-1?q?hrishy?= INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Rauch report: Oracle vs DB2
Any Oracle/DB2 dual DBAs out there that can comment on the Rauch report (no doubt financed by Oracle Corp)? http://www.oracle.com/ip/deploy/database/theme_pages/index.html?ma_04252003. html Not that I'm particularly impressed on the ease of generating stats in Oracle vs. DB2, but I'm just curious how the DB2 side applies to real-world. I haven't used most of the Oracle GUI stuff as reported. Rich Rich Jesse System/Database Administrator [EMAIL PROTECTED] Quad/Tech Inc, Sussex, WI USA -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Jesse, Rich INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Rauch report: Oracle vs DB2
If you go on DB2 site, http://www-3.ibm.com/software/data/pubs/pdfs/dhbrown.pdf , you'll find a similar document that concludes that TCO of DB2 is below Oracle's one. Stephane Paquette Administrateur de bases de donnees Database Administrator Standard Life www.standardlife.ca Tel. (514) 499-7999 7470 and (514) 925-7187 [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Jesse, Rich Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2003 10:50 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Any Oracle/DB2 dual DBAs out there that can comment on the Rauch report (no doubt financed by Oracle Corp)? http://www.oracle.com/ip/deploy/database/theme_pages/index.html?ma_04252003. html Not that I'm particularly impressed on the ease of generating stats in Oracle vs. DB2, but I'm just curious how the DB2 side applies to real-world. I haven't used most of the Oracle GUI stuff as reported. Rich Rich Jesse System/Database Administrator [EMAIL PROTECTED] Quad/Tech Inc, Sussex, WI USA -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Jesse, Rich INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Stephane Paquette INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Rauch report: Oracle vs DB2
Having seen the report previously I can say that IMHO it's an apples vs. oranges report. Given an experienced DBA on both systems I still believe that can do the same basic task in a similar amount of time effort. Why, because they 1) understand the process for their RDBMS, and 2) they've scripted it all out in the first place. Now if your talking about an in-experienced person using the GUI's, well maybe Oracle is easier. Dick Goulet Senior Oracle DBA Oracle Certified 8i DBA -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2003 10:50 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Any Oracle/DB2 dual DBAs out there that can comment on the Rauch report (no doubt financed by Oracle Corp)? http://www.oracle.com/ip/deploy/database/theme_pages/index.html?ma_04252003. html Not that I'm particularly impressed on the ease of generating stats in Oracle vs. DB2, but I'm just curious how the DB2 side applies to real-world. I haven't used most of the Oracle GUI stuff as reported. Rich Rich Jesse System/Database Administrator [EMAIL PROTECTED] Quad/Tech Inc, Sussex, WI USA -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Jesse, Rich INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Goulet, Dick INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Oracle Vs DB2
Oracle has some internal site for "competetive" info. You can browse the oracle site www.oracle.com to start with. You can also contact oracle "Sales" Consultants if know your Oracle Account Manager ( Sales Rep). www.oracle.com may also have some contact info ( for example some Telesales contacts) who would love the "lead", given by you. Thanks and Best Regards, -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Monday, March 24, 2003 3:15 AMTo: Multiple recipients of list OR[Biswas, Pradip]ACLE-LSubject: Oracle Vs DB2 Dear All, Strange as it seems, my client has asked me to compare Oracle with DB2 with regard to all the DB functional aspects. They are more inclined towards DB2 and we have the application built on Oracle. We are in for a one-to-one comparison based on the features that we already have in Oracle and that are in use in our application. For eg, function based indexes, table clustering, RAC, partitioning (of all kinds - list,range,hash), External tables, to name a few. I would really appreciate if anyone can throw some light into this. Links to any sites would also be helpful. We dont have much time for this activity, so please help us. I havent worked in DB2 as well which is the biggest bottleneck that I face.Best RegardsJai
Re: Oracle Vs DB2
hi! db2 sites which i can strongly recommend are http://www-3.ibm.com/cgi-bin/db2www/data/db2/udb/winos2unix/support/v7pubs.d2w/en_main and http://www-3.ibm.com/software/data/db2/os390/v7books.html i guess you will have a close look at V7 and V8, but V5 and V6 are also there and even V4 for MVS. daniel -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Daniel Wisser INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Oracle Vs DB2
Dear All, Strange as it seems, my client has asked me to compare Oracle with DB2 with regard to all the DB functional aspects. They are more inclined towards DB2 and we have the application built on Oracle. We are in for a one-to-one comparison based on the features that we already have in Oracle and that are in use in our application. For eg, function based indexes, table clustering, RAC, partitioning (of all kinds - list,range,hash), External tables, to name a few. I would really appreciate if anyone can throw some light into this. Links to any sites would also be helpful. We dont have much time for this activity, so please help us. I havent worked in DB2 as well which is the biggest bottleneck that I face. Best Regards Jai
OT: Getting data out of DB2...any DB2 DBAs out there?
Title: OT: Getting data out of DB2...any DB2 DBAs out there? Off topic post, please delete if not interested. I am trying to get data out of a DB2 database that I do not have access to. The original spec called for me to create a flat file, which they parse, and query the DB2 DB to get the specific requested data, and spool the requested data into a flat file, which is then FTPed back to me. I would prefer to send them (in Oracle/UNIX terms) a shell script calling SQL*Plus that uses some SQL to get the data I need, which is spooled to a flat file. Since this is on MVS, I assume it will have to be some SQL wrapped in JCL. I just do not know of an equivilent SQL*Plus in DB2, since I don't even know how to spell DB2. Since I will be proposing this approach, I was hoping to have an example JCL job in my proposal. So I was wondering if anyone has some example jobs that they would be willing to share? Many thanks!! Chris
Re: OT: Getting data out of DB2...any DB2 DBAs out there?
I used to use SPUFI (SP?) with TSO/MVS but that was many years ago. I would hope that there's something better. Grabowy, Chris To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] cgrabowycc: @fcg.comSubject: OT: Getting data out of DB2...any DB2 DBAs out there? Sent by: root 11/13/2002 02:15 PM Please respond to ORACLE-L Off topic post, please delete if not interested. I am trying to get data out of a DB2 database that I do not have access to. The original spec called for me to create a flat file, which they parse, and query the DB2 DB to get the specific requested data, and spool the requested data into a flat file, which is then FTPed back to me. I would prefer to send them (in Oracle/UNIX terms) a shell script calling SQL*Plus that uses some SQL to get the data I need, which is spooled to a flat file. Since this is on MVS, I assume it will have to be some SQL wrapped in JCL. I just do not know of an equivilent SQL*Plus in DB2, since I don't even know how to spell DB2. Since I will be proposing this approach, I was hoping to have an example JCL job in my proposal. So I was wondering if anyone has some example jobs that they would be willing to share? Many thanks!! Chris -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Thomas Day INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: OT: Getting data out of DB2...any DB2 DBAs out there?
Beside Oracle, we have db2 mainframe and db2 udb on aix. I've asked asomeone working with DB2 mainframe and there is spufi which is like sqlplus and DB2 Interactive wich is more like the command center on db2 udb. I'll more details tomorrow. --- Thomas Day [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit : I used to use SPUFI (SP?) with TSO/MVS but that was many years ago. I would hope that there's something better. Grabowy, Chris To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] cgrabowycc: @fcg.comSubject: OT: Getting data out of DB2...any DB2 DBAs out there? Sent by: root 11/13/2002 02:15 PM Please respond to ORACLE-L Off topic post, please delete if not interested. I am trying to get data out of a DB2 database that I do not have access to. The original spec called for me to create a flat file, which they parse, and query the DB2 DB to get the specific requested data, and spool the requested data into a flat file, which is then FTPed back to me. I would prefer to send them (in Oracle/UNIX terms) a shell script calling SQL*Plus that uses some SQL to get the data I need, which is spooled to a flat file. Since this is on MVS, I assume it will have to be some SQL wrapped in JCL. I just do not know of an equivilent SQL*Plus in DB2, since I don't even know how to spell DB2. Since I will be proposing this approach, I was hoping to have an example JCL job in my proposal. So I was wondering if anyone has some example jobs that they would be willing to share? Many thanks!! Chris -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Thomas Day INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). = Stéphane Paquette DBA Oracle et DB2, consultant entrepôt de données Oracle and DB2 DBA, datawarehouse consultant [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Lèche-vitrine ou lèche-écran ? magasinage.yahoo.ca -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: =?iso-8859-1?q?paquette=20stephane?= INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: OT: Getting data out of DB2...any DB2 DBAs out there?
Stephane - I think there are two methods, the flat file, and Oracle Heterogeneous Services (formerly Gateways). Heterogeneous Services allows you to query the other system just like it was an Oracle database, but isn't cheap, so it may depend on how much data, how often, etc. Dennis Williams DBA, 40%OCP Lifetouch, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 3:59 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Beside Oracle, we have db2 mainframe and db2 udb on aix. I've asked asomeone working with DB2 mainframe and there is spufi which is like sqlplus and DB2 Interactive wich is more like the command center on db2 udb. I'll more details tomorrow. --- Thomas Day [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit : I used to use SPUFI (SP?) with TSO/MVS but that was many years ago. I would hope that there's something better. Grabowy, Chris To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] cgrabowycc: @fcg.comSubject: OT: Getting data out of DB2...any DB2 DBAs out there? Sent by: root 11/13/2002 02:15 PM Please respond to ORACLE-L Off topic post, please delete if not interested. I am trying to get data out of a DB2 database that I do not have access to. The original spec called for me to create a flat file, which they parse, and query the DB2 DB to get the specific requested data, and spool the requested data into a flat file, which is then FTPed back to me. I would prefer to send them (in Oracle/UNIX terms) a shell script calling SQL*Plus that uses some SQL to get the data I need, which is spooled to a flat file. Since this is on MVS, I assume it will have to be some SQL wrapped in JCL. I just do not know of an equivilent SQL*Plus in DB2, since I don't even know how to spell DB2. Since I will be proposing this approach, I was hoping to have an example JCL job in my proposal. So I was wondering if anyone has some example jobs that they would be willing to share? Many thanks!! Chris -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Thomas Day INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). = Stéphane Paquette DBA Oracle et DB2, consultant entrepôt de données Oracle and DB2 DBA, datawarehouse consultant [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Lèche-vitrine ou lèche-écran ? magasinage.yahoo.ca -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: =?iso-8859-1?q?paquette=20stephane?= INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message
RE: OT: Getting data out of DB2...any DB2 DBAs out there?
Stephane, If you could have get some db2 odbc driver on your oracle server, you could use hetereogenous services without implementing the transparent gateway product. We are using the Heterogenous services to query a ms sqlserver from 9i using a sqlserver odbc driver. We did not implement the transparent gateway. -Mandar -Original Message- From: DENNIS WILLIAMS [mailto:DWILLIAMS;LIFETOUCH.COM] Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 2:39 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: RE: OT: Getting data out of DB2...any DB2 DBAs out there? Stephane - I think there are two methods, the flat file, and Oracle Heterogeneous Services (formerly Gateways). Heterogeneous Services allows you to query the other system just like it was an Oracle database, but isn't cheap, so it may depend on how much data, how often, etc. Dennis Williams DBA, 40%OCP Lifetouch, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 3:59 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Beside Oracle, we have db2 mainframe and db2 udb on aix. I've asked asomeone working with DB2 mainframe and there is spufi which is like sqlplus and DB2 Interactive wich is more like the command center on db2 udb. I'll more details tomorrow. --- Thomas Day [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit : I used to use SPUFI (SP?) with TSO/MVS but that was many years ago. I would hope that there's something better. Grabowy, Chris To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] cgrabowycc: @fcg.comSubject: OT: Getting data out of DB2...any DB2 DBAs out there? Sent by: root 11/13/2002 02:15 PM Please respond to ORACLE-L Off topic post, please delete if not interested. I am trying to get data out of a DB2 database that I do not have access to. The original spec called for me to create a flat file, which they parse, and query the DB2 DB to get the specific requested data, and spool the requested data into a flat file, which is then FTPed back to me. I would prefer to send them (in Oracle/UNIX terms) a shell script calling SQL*Plus that uses some SQL to get the data I need, which is spooled to a flat file. Since this is on MVS, I assume it will have to be some SQL wrapped in JCL. I just do not know of an equivilent SQL*Plus in DB2, since I don't even know how to spell DB2. Since I will be proposing this approach, I was hoping to have an example JCL job in my proposal. So I was wondering if anyone has some example jobs that they would be willing to share? Many thanks!! Chris -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Thomas Day INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing
DB link to DB2 on an AS400
I have been asked by damagement on the possibility of of linking Oracle to DB2 so that an Oracle trigger can update a DB2 table. I have been reading some of the fine manual along with reading stuff on metalink. From what I can tell in order to connect to nonOracle data I need to use Oracles Transparent gateway to create a DB link to DB2. Also I would guess this will cost extra to use the Transparent gateway. Are these correct assumptions? Thanks, Dave -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Farnsworth, Dave INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: Oracle vs. DB2
Mike, Here is pro-IBM :) report: http://www-3.ibm.com/software/data/pubs/papers/orac91vsdb272/orac91vsdb272.p df Alexandre Hi Everyone! Well, there's been a lot of Oracle vs. Microsoft traffic on the list, but now my Manglement wants a similar comparison to IBM's DB2. Does anyone know of web sites or locations where there are documented objective comparisons between Oracle and DB2? I'm faced with answering buzzwords like 'Future Market Position', 'T.C.O. - Cost Effectiveness', 'Demonstrated Technology', and 'Platform Compatibility'. Any references are appreciated. Thanks, Mike --- === Michael P. Vergara Oracle DBA Guidant Corporation -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Vergara, Michael (TEM) INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Alexandre Gorbatchev INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Oracle vs. DB2
Mike eWeek did a head-to-head comparison among the leading databases, including Oracle and DB2. Oracle kicked butt. http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,3959,293,00.asp In searching, I found an interesting site that provides links to all sorts of database comparisons. http://www.itsystems.lv/gints/compare_db.htm Dennis Williams DBA Lifetouch, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Monday, August 12, 2002 5:38 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Hi Everyone! Well, there's been a lot of Oracle vs. Microsoft traffic on the list, but now my Manglement wants a similar comparison to IBM's DB2. Does anyone know of web sites or locations where there are documented objective comparisons between Oracle and DB2? I'm faced with answering buzzwords like 'Future Market Position', 'T.C.O. - Cost Effectiveness', 'Demonstrated Technology', and 'Platform Compatibility'. Any references are appreciated. Thanks, Mike --- === Michael P. Vergara Oracle DBA Guidant Corporation -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Vergara, Michael (TEM) INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: DENNIS WILLIAMS INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re[2]: Oracle vs. DB2
The Director of New Technologies here took a look at Oracle vs. DB2 vs. SQL*Server around the first of the year to see if it made any sense to remain with Oracle (remember my licensing problems of some months ago). Anyway, dollar for dollar he found that their all about the same in features/performance vs. dollars expended. Sure DB2 and SQL*Server were cheaper out of the box, but the add-ons that we got with Oracle added up to a higher cost in the end. To answer the questions you asked and buzzwords your faced with: The TCO or Total Cost of Ownership is just about a wash. Oracle leads somewhat since there is a larger third party market (or so I've been told). Oracle people are expensive, but there are also more of them in the marketplace. On the Future Market Position, some one correct me if I'm wrong, but Oracle is the #2 software company right behind MicroSoft so their not going away any time soon. On Demonstrated Technology, here I think Oracle takes a bit of a hit. Not because they don't lead the market but because they ship it when it's not fully cooked first. Hence we end up with some odd behavior that gets fixed quite soon. It's also the reason I don't use Oracle version X.0.0 release 1, but wait for release 2. And on the front of Platform Compatibility again Oracle took the lead covering more platforms than anyone else. Believe it or not, their still supporting HP MPE-IX even though all of the others have dropped it. I should know, had to call them yesterday. In general though, which ever database vendor you use is getting to be more and more a political decision within the company. And in many cases I think we're going to be faced with handling more than one vendor at a time. The other items that is somewhat perplexing is that certain vendors of application software are writing to a specific database vendor and then imbedding that database into the application as a black box. The bigger problem is that your then stuck with that database on that specific system (CPU and OS) and a vendor who has very little knowledge of what's going on. Especially when things break. Like our friends at a nameless payroll processing center who shipped us a server with Oracle 7.1 on it did not provide any details. Then the damned thing breaks on a Monday morning they are afraid we can't get anyone to look at it for 2 weeks. Yeah, right leave payroll undone for 2 weeks and see what happens. Dick Goulet Reply Separator Author: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 8/12/2002 3:31 PM -- Vergara, Michael (TEM) [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 08/12/02 14:38:19 -0800 Hi Everyone! Well, there's been a lot of Oracle vs. Microsoft traffic on the list, but now my Manglement wants a similar comparison to IBM's DB2. Does anyone know of web sites or locations where there are documented objective comparisons between Oracle and DB2? I'm faced with answering buzzwords like 'Future Market Position', 'T.C.O. - Cost Effectiveness', 'Demonstrated Technology', and 'Platform Compatibility'. www.ibm.com -- Steven Lembark 2930 W. Palmer Workhorse Computing Chicago, IL 60647 +1 800 762 1582 -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: Oracle vs. DB2
One thing that seems different to me: DBA's at the sites we work in with DB2 seem to swear by it more than at it. This is the reverse ratio I find at Oracle houses. -- Steven Lembark 2930 W. Palmer Workhorse Computing Chicago, IL 60647 +1 800 762 1582 -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Steven Lembark INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
