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Out of the night, when the full moon is bright, rides a horse man is known
as Zorro!

Did you happen to catch the recent Zorro movie?

Ruth
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Or Zorro, or My Friend Flika (westerns with a flair).

Terry

Rachel Carmichael wrote:

> I wasn't into westerns... but Red Skelton? oh yeah... and Danny Kaye
movies.
>
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> >
> >That ran the same time a "bullwinkle". How about Fess Parker as Davy
> >Crocket. Or Red Skelton's show with Freddy the freeloader?
> >ROR mô¿ôm
> >

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Re: OT -- suggestions to ensure nerdiness in potential IT


Some of us remember Elvis on Ed Sullivan.Ruth
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>-That ran the same time a "bullwinkle". How about Fess Parker as Davy
>-Crocket. Or Red Skelton's show with Freddy the freeloader?
>-ROR mô¿ôm


And don't forget about watching the Beatles and the Rolling Stones make
their debuts on the Ed Sullivan show.  You really had to "dig the threads"
they were wearing.

Dave

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That ran the same time a "bullwinkle". How about Fess Parker as Davy
Crocket. Or Red Skelton's show with Freddy the freeloader?
ROR mô¿ôm

>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 08/02/01 02:11PM >>>
Okay, who remembers "Fractured Fairy Tales" and the Professor and his boy
Sherman?


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>And the question (still yet to be properly answered) is "How many licks
>does
>it take to get to the center of a Tootsie Pop?"
>
>Very nice!!  I saw that all the time on my Saturdays watching Rocky and
>Bullwinkel, Tom and Jerry and my favorite, Bugs Bunny!!
>
>Dave
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>And the question (still yet to be properly answered) is "How many licks
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>
> > I remember a turtle, BUT he spoke to Mr. Owl, and the answer was 3.
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RE: OT -- suggestions to ensure nerdiness in potential IT

2001-08-03 Thread Smith, Ron L.

Can someone tell me how to find the support matrix on Metalink for Oracle 8,
all versions?

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Out of the night, when the full moon is bright, rides a horse man is known
as Zorro!

Did you happen to catch the recent Zorro movie?

Ruth
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Or Zorro, or My Friend Flika (westerns with a flair).

Terry

Rachel Carmichael wrote:

> I wasn't into westerns... but Red Skelton? oh yeah... and Danny Kaye
movies.
>
> >From: "Ron Rogers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> >
> >That ran the same time a "bullwinkle". How about Fess Parker as Davy
> >Crocket. Or Red Skelton's show with Freddy the freeloader?
> >ROR mô¿ôm
> >

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RE: OT -- suggestions to ensure nerdiness in potential IT

2001-08-03 Thread April Wells


Night Gallery!

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now we are talking, honeymooners, benny hill, outer limits, and my favorite
twilight zone.

>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 08/03/01 09:00AM >>>
It look likes there are more of us older folks than one might think.  And I
loved Bullwinkle, Davy Crockett and Red Skelton and Danny Kaye movies.  My
husband is into old TV so we go to sleep watching TVLand, especially when
The Honeymooners is on.

Ruth
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I wasn't into westerns... but Red Skelton? oh yeah... and Danny Kaye movies.


>From: "Ron Rogers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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>
>That ran the same time a "bullwinkle". How about Fess Parker as Davy
>Crocket. Or Red Skelton's show with Freddy the freeloader?
>ROR mô¿ôm
>
> >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 08/02/01 02:11PM >>>
>Okay, who remembers "Fractured Fairy Tales" and the Professor and his boy
>Sherman?
>
>
> >From: "Farnsworth, Dave" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> >
> >And the question (still yet to be properly answered) is "How many licks
> >does
> >it take to get to the center of a Tootsie Pop?"
> >
> >Very nice!!  I saw that all the time on my Saturdays watching Rocky and
> >Bullwinkel, Tom and Jerry and my favorite, Bugs Bunny!!
> >
> >Dave
> >
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> >does
> >it take to get to the center of a Tootsie Pop?"
> >
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RE: OT -- suggestions to ensure nerdiness in potential IT

2001-08-03 Thread Mercadante, Thomas F

With Sean Connery, Antonio Banderas & Katherine Zeta-Jones?

It was fun, but pretty predictable.  Antonio & Katherine together was fun to
watch.  The sword fight was cute.

"Did you happen to catch the recent Zorro movie?"

Tom Mercadante
Oracle Certified Professional

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Out of the night, when the full moon is bright, rides a horse man is known
as Zorro!

Did you happen to catch the recent Zorro movie?

Ruth
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Or Zorro, or My Friend Flika (westerns with a flair).

Terry

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>
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> >
> >That ran the same time a "bullwinkle". How about Fess Parker as Davy
> >Crocket. Or Red Skelton's show with Freddy the freeloader?
> >ROR mô¿ôm
> >

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RE: OT -- suggestions to ensure nerdiness in potential IT staff


oh yeah. you guys know that they published a book of the Fractured Fairy 
Tales?  Yes, I have it. You had to ask?


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>And the "Wayback Machine"
>
>
>
> "Rachel
> Carmichael"  To: Multiple recipients of 
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>Okay, who remembers "Fractured Fairy Tales" and the Professor and his boy
>Sherman?
>
>
> >From: "Farnsworth, Dave" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> >
> >And the question (still yet to be properly answered) is "How many licks
> >does
> >it take to get to the center of a Tootsie Pop?"
> >
> >Very nice!!  I saw that all the time on my Saturdays watching Rocky and
> >Bullwinkel, Tom and Jerry and my favorite, Bugs Bunny!!
> >
> >Dave
> >
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> >
> >And the question (still yet to be properly answered) is "How many licks
> >does
> >it take to get to the center of a Tootsie Pop?"
> >
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Re: OT -- suggestions to ensure nerdiness in potential IT staff


High School ('70), I took a computer class -- we used a Hewlett Packard 
9100B  -- it was the size of a typewriter, had a memory that could hold 
14x14 instructions. Just enough space to write a tic-tac-toe program. The 
smallest HP calculator today has infinitely more power that than thing did.

But it interested me enough to go into college looking for a degree in Comp 
Sci. I was in the second class to graduate from City University of NY 
(Queens College) with a real degree in computer science, class of '75


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>Mid 70's?  I never used a computer before 1990.  I went from zero
>experience to real-time, hybrid unix on a mainframe doing maintenance
>programming for an Air Traffic Control system.  Prior to that, I worked
>blue-collar (come from a long line of ironworkers) until I joined the
>USAF and they told me I was a computer programmer...
>
>Scott Shafer
>San Antonio, TX
>
>
>"Page, Bruce" wrote:
> >
> > And just think about the PC being an advanced system for some of us.
> >
> > Wait until we again start talking about using paper tapes and having to 
>use scotch tape to put them back together to run them through.  Or even the 
>older guys that talk about switch boards.  I am not as old as them.  My 
>computer days just go back to the mid 70's.
> >
> > > I love this stuff(being a nerd wannabe), but I don't have a
> > > frickin clue
> > > what any of you are talking about:)
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RE: OT -- suggestions to ensure nerdiness in potential IT

2001-08-03 Thread Mercadante, Thomas F


"Fractured Fairy Tales" was a PART of the "Rocky and Bullwinkle Show", as
well as 
"There's no need to fear, UnderDog is Here!" - the Underdog Show.
"Nor plane nor bird nor even fog, it's just little old me, Underdog".


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That ran the same time a "bullwinkle". How about Fess Parker as Davy
Crocket. Or Red Skelton's show with Freddy the freeloader?
ROR mô¿ôm

>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 08/02/01 02:11PM >>>
Okay, who remembers "Fractured Fairy Tales" and the Professor and his boy 
Sherman?


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>And the question (still yet to be properly answered) is "How many licks 
>does
>it take to get to the center of a Tootsie Pop?"
>
>Very nice!!  I saw that all the time on my Saturdays watching Rocky and
>Bullwinkel, Tom and Jerry and my favorite, Bugs Bunny!!
>
>Dave
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>And the question (still yet to be properly answered) is "How many licks 
>does
>it take to get to the center of a Tootsie Pop?"
>
> > I remember a turtle, BUT he spoke to Mr. Owl, and the answer was 3.
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RE: OT -- suggestions to ensure nerdiness in potential IT staff


I didn't see my first color tv until 1978, when I bought one as an 
engagement present for my fiance.

I always did wonder what all the fuss was about The Wizard of Oz before that 
:)


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> >-Okay, who remembers "Fractured Fairy Tales" and the Professor and his
> >-boy Sherman?
>
>On black and white TV!!  :(
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>Okay, who remembers "Fractured Fairy Tales" and the Professor and his boy
>Sherman?
>
>
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> >
> >And the question (still yet to be properly answered) is "How many licks
> >does
> >it take to get to the center of a Tootsie Pop?"
> >
> >Very nice!!  I saw that all the time on my Saturdays watching Rocky and
> >Bullwinkel, Tom and Jerry and my favorite, Bugs Bunny!!
> >
> >Dave
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> >does
> >it take to get to the center of a Tootsie Pop?"
> >
> > > I remember a turtle, BUT he spoke to Mr. Owl, and the answer was 3.
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RE: OT -- suggestions to ensure nerdiness in potential IT staff

2001-08-03 Thread Seley, Linda


The sad thing is, it really didn't matter back then!  Character mode coming
back to a orange or green monitor (at least on the Compaq), it didn't do too
bad keeping up with typing.  Or so it seemed, until the next boost came out
then woohoo!  look how fast I can go!  Now if I'm not on cable or a T1 I
want to go spin the hamster's cage

Funny thing - I've just started using IM.  I don't like it!  When we did
similar stuff on a VAX in the late 80's it was screaming, even over a 1200
baud modem, compared to the Yahoo IM.  I want my VAX back, whine ;-)

Linda

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heck, I did production work over a 300 baud modem -- the one where you had 
to dial in and then place the handset into the cups :)

and I thought it was the speediest thing ever


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>
>One of those Compaqs was the first portable I took home from work 7 years
>ago!  It sat in my basement until 3 years ago when I lugged it back - we
>were moving and I didn't want to be responsible for it any more!  (Gosh, a
>1200k modem?)
>
>Same company that is *still* using PL/1 as it's mainframe programming
>language and APL in the actuarial department.
>
>Linda
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>yeah, my father still try's to impress me with stories of punch cards and
>such.  It's pretty funny.  The oldest computer I know of and still have is 
>a
>compaq "portable" computer.  It has the old 5 1/4" "floppy" drives and a
>little tiny screen.  It's basically a suitcase, weighs about 40 pounds, the
>bottom is the keyboard.  Kinda cool, I remember playing games on it as a 
>kid
>and thinking it was the most amazing thing.  Now it makes a good foot rest,
>but that's about it:)
>kk
>
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>And just think about the PC being an advanced system for some of us.
>
>Wait until we again start talking about using paper tapes and having to use
>scotch tape to put them back together to run them through.  Or even the
>older guys that talk about switch boards.  I am not as old as them.  My
>computer days just go back to the mid 70's.
>
>
> > I love this stuff(being a nerd wannabe), but I don't have a
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Re: OT -- suggestions to ensure nerdiness in potential IT

2001-08-03 Thread Kevin Kostyszyn


It's so much nicer for kids and college students alike today.  Think of how
awesome the computers are that they are getting(and were talking pc's nto
servers).  I love it now, I could build a sweet AMD machine for so cheap
it's disgusting and sad, but pleasantly wonderful at the same time.

I know I know, "shut up young punk!":)
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I wasn't into westerns... but Red Skelton? oh yeah... and Danny Kaye movies.


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>
>That ran the same time a "bullwinkle". How about Fess Parker as Davy
>Crocket. Or Red Skelton's show with Freddy the freeloader?
>ROR mo?om
>
> >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 08/02/01 02:11PM >>>
>Okay, who remembers "Fractured Fairy Tales" and the Professor and his boy
>Sherman?
>
>
> >From: "Farnsworth, Dave" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> >
> >And the question (still yet to be properly answered) is "How many licks
> >does
> >it take to get to the center of a Tootsie Pop?"
> >
> >Very nice!!  I saw that all the time on my Saturdays watching Rocky and
> >Bullwinkel, Tom and Jerry and my favorite, Bugs Bunny!!
> >
> >Dave
> >
> >-Original Message-
> >Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2001 10:27 AM
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> >
> >And the question (still yet to be properly answered) is "How many licks
> >does
> >it take to get to the center of a Tootsie Pop?"
> >
> > > I remember a turtle, BUT he spoke to Mr. Owl, and the answer was 3.
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RE: OT -- suggestions to ensure nerdiness in potential IT staff

2001-08-03 Thread Kevin Kostyszyn


very well carry on:(

-Original Message-
Carmichael
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young whippersnapper!  quiet down and let us old fogies reminisce :)


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>
>yeah, my father still try's to impress me with stories of punch cards and
>such.  It's pretty funny.  The oldest computer I know of and still have is
>a
>compaq "portable" computer.  It has the old 5 1/4" "floppy" drives and a
>little tiny screen.  It's basically a suitcase, weighs about 40 pounds, the
>bottom is the keyboard.  Kinda cool, I remember playing games on it as a
>kid
>and thinking it was the most amazing thing.  Now it makes a good foot rest,
>but that's about it:)
>kk
>
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>And just think about the PC being an advanced system for some of us.
>
>Wait until we again start talking about using paper tapes and having to use
>scotch tape to put them back together to run them through.  Or even the
>older guys that talk about switch boards.  I am not as old as them.  My
>computer days just go back to the mid 70's.
>
>
> > I love this stuff(being a nerd wannabe), but I don't have a
> > frickin clue
> > what any of you are talking about:)
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Re: OT -- suggestions to ensure nerdiness in potential IT

2001-08-03 Thread Yosi Greenfield


>
> > 3) What company made the first "Portable" (luggable) computers?
> It was either Kaypro or Osborne.  The Ozzy had a little tiny 40-column
> screen and dual 5.25" floppies.  The Kaypro had an 80-column screen
> and dual floppies.
>

I had a compaq 'portable' that was the size of an old, big, not-yet invented
486, but had a monitor embedded in the box. 15 years later, my brother
tried to use this computer for something real, and I had to explain to him
why I couldn't shlep around this thing, and why it wouldn't do that much
for him altogether.

He probably still has it.


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RE: OT -- suggestions to ensure nerdiness in potential IT staff

2001-08-03 Thread Ivan_Rivera

Title: RE: OT -- suggestions to ensure nerdiness in potential IT staff

Famous...I hope at least recognized by my deeds. It's funny this is coming up, I am currently in the middle of starting a dream of mine.

Basically I am starting a non profit organization designed to teach these hot in demand IT skills to a resource this country has overlooked-young inner city minorities. I know there are people already trying to do similar stuff and oracle has there program they're working on with high schools, but I feel that my business plan and ideas will be superior to what's currently out there, not to mention that I will have an execution plan these kids will latch onto, different from the traditional high school setting they're tired of.

I feel that I am an example of what I can do with them, as I said I didn't go to college for CIS, am not a super brain, but I had an interest in computers and also a hunger to make a good living (legally). In the span of three years I have fully changed around my life. I now make good money (I am currently putting my sister through college) and am living a great clean life. Oracle literally kept me out of jail (no need to go into specifics)!

I feel this IT route is a new alternative for inner city youth to make it out of the 'hood. This is a more realistic manner to a good life than the traditional routes of making it big in: sports,music,entertainment or going the wrong route and getting into dealing drugs. I am living just as good as most of the drug dealers I know or have come in contact with and being realistic here, these guys are looked up to by the younger kids in the neighborhood. As a kid I always looked up to them and still see the same thing going on today. If I can get these kids to see a different way to attain the same possessions the dealers have (for the most part, that's what it boils down to-money and material objects) and get some in the IT field, I've done my job.

I have been teaching the DBA track here at FSU for the last in preparation for the stated above goal and have started to recruit people for the board and also to teach. Today, in fact I received the conformation that I have been given education consent from the New York State Department of Education (yes!), next comes the 501(c) and I'll be quitting my job hoping to get this thing off the ground. In fact Rachel I have had you in mind to ask to join my board but haven't approach or asked the board for input until I was 'official'. Sorry for ranting, any advice (good or bad) will be greatly appreciated. Thanks. Ivan

OT -- suggestions to ensure nerdiness in potential IT staff

2001-08-03 Thread Eric D. Pierce


computer trivia from the pre-PC days:

"what computer company had the first huge marketing success 
advertising its word processing system on TV during the 
Superbowl football game?"

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answer spelled backwards: GNAW

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RE: OT -- suggestions to ensure nerdiness in potential IT

2001-08-03 Thread Gogala, Mladen


You mean that they didn't have PCs, internet, MS Windows and  Night Show
with Ed Sullivan back there at Alamo?  What in the world has prompted Santa
Anna 
to  attack, then? 

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> 
> Actually, Davy Crockett was dead before the invention of TV.  
> But he was
> played by Fess Parker in the TV movies with the same name.  
> Having said that,
> I don't beleive that Fess Parker, Red Skelton and Danny Kaye 
> ever together,
> but I have been know to be wrong before.
> 
> Terry
> 
> "Gogala, Mladen" wrote:
> 
> > Have Bullwinkle,Davy Crockett, Red Skelton and Danny Kaye 
> ever been in the
> > same movie
> > together? What about Rocky, he and Bullwinkle used to be 
> inseparable. I
> > didn't know
> > that Bullwinkle was moonlighting with Danny Kaye and Skelton?
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RE: OT -- suggestions to ensure nerdiness in potential IT staff

2001-08-03 Thread Kevin Lange


Fractured Fairy Tales and "Mr. Peabody and Sherman" on Bullwinkle.

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Okay, who remembers "Fractured Fairy Tales" and the Professor and his boy 
Sherman?


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>And the question (still yet to be properly answered) is "How many licks 
>does
>it take to get to the center of a Tootsie Pop?"
>
>Very nice!!  I saw that all the time on my Saturdays watching Rocky and
>Bullwinkel, Tom and Jerry and my favorite, Bugs Bunny!!
>
>Dave
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>And the question (still yet to be properly answered) is "How many licks 
>does
>it take to get to the center of a Tootsie Pop?"
>
> > I remember a turtle, BUT he spoke to Mr. Owl, and the answer was 3.
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Re: OT -- suggestions to ensure nerdiness in potential IT staff

2001-08-03 Thread Pat Hildebrand


I can't really tell if no more answers are coming in or things are
just very slow but I'll try to fill in the answers to my questions
that have not been answered.

Looks like the questions about the floppy drive (or should I say
drives as I had the luxury of dual drives) are the ones that need some
answers. The manufacture (now gone) was Micropolis and they later made
hard drives that we used on our UNIX boxes when we moved off the main
frame about ten years ago. The hard sectored disks had holes to
separate the sectors (the holes were much to large to separate
tracks). Micropolis used a 16 hard sector floppy and then soft
sectored each hard sector into two. They had an ad about never so many
tracks that showed railroad tracks.

Yes, Logo was based on LISP.

It was very bad practice to use loops in APL. They were avoided by
using vectors. I calculated some very actuate statistical tables for
my husband on a DEC-10 using APL and picking the exact (rather than
approximated values) out of the vector in about the time frame that
this discussion started with - some time in the early 80s. We also had
APL on the CP/M machine (a Vector Graphics if anyone is curious) but
it didn't have precision of the DEC-10 and later got a DOS version. I
know it was the thing to try to do everything in one line but it was
also possible to write readable code (as long as you knew the symbols)
and of course there was always the lamp for comments.

Speaking of on the CP/M machine and later a DOS version, I would think
that the word processor that was being asked about was probably
WordStar. We had that one on the CP/M machine (it was considered THE
word processor at that time) and then DOS before WordPerfect. Actually
had a strange experience installing the DOS version. I can't remember
how much memory we had on that machine but it was a lot for it's day
and WordStar gave me an error that I had insufficient memory. After
checking everything I could think of, I installed a RAM disk to cut
the memory down to a size mentioned in the documentation and low and
behold the WordStar worked.

IBM standard label tapes could actually be cartridges (3480/3490 or
are those obsolute now?). The thing about them (besides EBCDIC which
no one not on an IBM used) is that they had three files for one
logical file. The header and footer(?) contained documention. In
addition to the format stuff they could contain: a file name, the
operating system under which the file was written, the date, and I
think even some sort of machine ID. If the first file, the header also
had a volumn ID. I did help to set up a system in perl under AIX that
would compare the information in a header with information that we had
other places including an Oracle database, did some other things, and
put information into the database. It would have been a lot harder
without those standard label tapes.

Yes, I have used punch cards. The first computer I used was an
IBM/1620. My first work with stat packages, SAS, SPSS, BMDP, was on
a remote machine where the job was submitted on punch cards and if I
remember correctly the jobs were not run when submitted but at a later
time so that an out of order card or incorrectly punched one could
make things a very slow process.



   Pat


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RE: OT -- suggestions to ensure nerdiness in potential IT staff

2001-08-03 Thread Thater, William


On Thu, 2 Aug 2001,Rachel Carmichael scribbled on the wall in glitter crayon:

->oh yeah. you guys know that they published a book of the Fractured Fairy
->Tales?  Yes, I have it. You had to ask?

yes and no, i expected it.;-)


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Re: OT -- suggestions to ensure nerdiness in potential IT

2001-08-03 Thread Yosi Greenfield


I taught a high school class to program Turbo Pascal running on CP/M.
Now that was a program.

There was one kid in the class who knew way more about this stuff than I
did.

They all got As.


>
> If I remember correctly, Microsoft bought QDOS from Seattle Computer Works
> for around $50k so they could have an O/S for IBM's first PC.  I cannot
> remember the name of the guy who owned CP/M, but they would not sign IBM's
> non-disclosure agreement, and sent IBM to Gates.  MS had nothing to lose
> so they signed and the rest is history.
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Re: OT -- suggestions to ensure nerdiness in potential IT staff

2001-08-03 Thread Mohammad Rafiq


And this 300/1200 Boud rate modems were without error correction mode 
resulting lot of garbage in between specially working from subcontinent to 
dialin in UK or USA machines...Same modems were working well if worked 
within USA or UKThat was 1990-91 era

MOHAMMAD RAFIQ



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Yeah - but then the 1200 baud modems came out - now THOSE were speedy.
And after I saw my friend's 1200, my 300 was like molasses.


Rachel Carmichael wrote:

 > heck, I did production work over a 300 baud modem -- the one where you 
had
 > to dial in and then place the handset into the cups :)
 >
 > and I thought it was the speediest thing ever
 >
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 > >Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 10:28:15 -0800
 > >
 > >One of those Compaqs was the first portable I took home from work 7 
years
 > >ago!  It sat in my basement until 3 years ago when I lugged it back - we
 > >were moving and I didn't want to be responsible for it any more!  (Gosh, 
a
 > >1200k modem?)
 > >
 > >Same company that is *still* using PL/1 as it's mainframe programming
 > >language and APL in the actuarial department.
 > >
 > >Linda
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 > >-Original Message-
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 > >
 > >yeah, my father still try's to impress me with stories of punch cards 
and
 > >such.  It's pretty funny.  The oldest computer I know of and still have 
is
 > >a
 > >compaq "portable" computer.  It has the old 5 1/4" "floppy" drives and a
 > >little tiny screen.  It's basically a suitcase, weighs about 40 pounds, 
the
 > >bottom is the keyboard.  Kinda cool, I remember playing games on it as a
 > >kid
 > >and thinking it was the most amazing thing.  Now it makes a good foot 
rest,
 > >but that's about it:)
 > >kk
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 > >
 > >And just think about the PC being an advanced system for some of us.
 > >
 > >Wait until we again start talking about using paper tapes and having to 
use
 > >scotch tape to put them back together to run them through.  Or even the
 > >older guys that talk about switch boards.  I am not as old as them.  My
 > >computer days just go back to the mid 70's.
 > >
 > >
 > > > I love this stuff(being a nerd wannabe), but I don't have a
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RE: OT -- suggestions to ensure nerdiness in potential IT

2001-08-03 Thread Robertson Lee - lerobe


Ah yes, and then theres Catherine Zeta jones. Just to prove to the world
that not every girl who comes out of the UK looks like the bloody Spice
Girls  

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yup -- I like Anthony Hopkins in anything (okay, not as Hannibal Lecter, Iw
 ouldn't like ANYONE as Hannibal Lecter)

Banderas was okay.


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>Out of the night, when the full moon is bright, rides a horse man is known
>as Zorro!
>
>Did you happen to catch the recent Zorro movie?
>
>Ruth
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>Or Zorro, or My Friend Flika (westerns with a flair).
>
>Terry
>
>Rachel Carmichael wrote:
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> > I wasn't into westerns... but Red Skelton? oh yeah... and Danny Kaye
>movies.
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> > >That ran the same time a "bullwinkle". How about Fess Parker as Davy
> > >Crocket. Or Red Skelton's show with Freddy the freeloader?
> > >ROR mô¿ôm
> > >
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Re: OT -- suggestions to ensure nerdiness in potential IT

But even us older ladies have a different point of view on Sean and Antonio.
Ruth

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With Sean Connery, Antonio Banderas & Katherine Zeta-Jones?

It was fun, but pretty predictable.  Antonio & Katherine together was fun to
watch.  The sword fight was cute.

"Did you happen to catch the recent Zorro movie?"

Tom Mercadante
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Out of the night, when the full moon is bright, rides a horse man is known
as Zorro!

Did you happen to catch the recent Zorro movie?

Ruth
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Or Zorro, or My Friend Flika (westerns with a flair).

Terry

Rachel Carmichael wrote:

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movies.
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> >That ran the same time a "bullwinkle". How about Fess Parker as Davy
> >Crocket. Or Red Skelton's show with Freddy the freeloader?
> >ROR mô¿ôm
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RE: OT -- suggestions to ensure nerdiness in potential IT

2001-08-03 Thread Mercadante, Thomas F


You're right - it was Anthony.  As I was typing Sean Connery, it didn't feel
right!

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yup -- I like Anthony Hopkins in anything (okay, not as Hannibal Lecter, I 
wouldn't like ANYONE as Hannibal Lecter)

Banderas was okay.


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>Out of the night, when the full moon is bright, rides a horse man is known
>as Zorro!
>
>Did you happen to catch the recent Zorro movie?
>
>Ruth
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>Or Zorro, or My Friend Flika (westerns with a flair).
>
>Terry
>
>Rachel Carmichael wrote:
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> > I wasn't into westerns... but Red Skelton? oh yeah... and Danny Kaye
>movies.
> >
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> > >
> > >That ran the same time a "bullwinkle". How about Fess Parker as Davy
> > >Crocket. Or Red Skelton's show with Freddy the freeloader?
> > >ROR mo?om
> > >
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yup -- I like Anthony Hopkins in anything (okay, not as Hannibal Lecter, I 
wouldn't like ANYONE as Hannibal Lecter)

Banderas was okay.


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>Out of the night, when the full moon is bright, rides a horse man is known
>as Zorro!
>
>Did you happen to catch the recent Zorro movie?
>
>Ruth
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>Or Zorro, or My Friend Flika (westerns with a flair).
>
>Terry
>
>Rachel Carmichael wrote:
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> > I wasn't into westerns... but Red Skelton? oh yeah... and Danny Kaye
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> >
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> > >
> > >That ran the same time a "bullwinkle". How about Fess Parker as Davy
> > >Crocket. Or Red Skelton's show with Freddy the freeloader?
> > >ROR mô¿ôm
> > >
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Re: OT -- suggestions to ensure nerdiness in potential IT

2001-08-03 Thread Terry Ball


But of course.  Not bad.  Not the original, but not bad.  I thought the plot
was better than a lot of the "remakes" being made.  They at least had it as
though some time had passed and the "original" Zorro was now an old man
training a younger man to take his place.  Most remakes just use different
actors as the original characters.  And for an old fan like me, it kinda
grates.

Terry

Ruth Gramolini wrote:

> Out of the night, when the full moon is bright, rides a horse man is known
> as Zorro!
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>
> Ruth
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> Or Zorro, or My Friend Flika (westerns with a flair).
>
> Terry
>
> Rachel Carmichael wrote:
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> movies.
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> > >
> > >That ran the same time a "bullwinkle". How about Fess Parker as Davy
> > >Crocket. Or Red Skelton's show with Freddy the freeloader?
> > >ROR mô¿ôm
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RE: OT -- suggestions to ensure nerdiness in potential IT

2001-08-03 Thread Farnsworth, Dave


>-My mom would not let us watch that night.

It must be because of those demonic hip gyrations!!  What would your mom
think of Rob Zombie??

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My mom would not let us watch that night.

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Some of us remember Elvis on Ed Sullivan.Ruth
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RE: OT -- suggestions to ensure nerdiness in potential IT

2001-08-03 Thread Ron Rogers


How about the black and white "Superman ,Man of Steel" shows where Superman wasn't 
that super after all. Bullets would bounce off him but he would duck when you threw 
the gun at him. Is that the beginnings of duck-duck-goose?
ROR mª¿ªm


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Re: OT -- suggestions to ensure nerdiness in potential IT

2001-08-03 Thread Terry Ball

Actually, Davy Crockett was dead before the invention of TV.  But he was
played by Fess Parker in the TV movies with the same name.  Having said that,
I don't beleive that Fess Parker, Red Skelton and Danny Kaye ever together,
but I have been know to be wrong before.

Terry

"Gogala, Mladen" wrote:

> Have Bullwinkle,Davy Crockett, Red Skelton and Danny Kaye ever been in the
> same movie
> together? What about Rocky, he and Bullwinkle used to be inseparable. I
> didn't know
> that Bullwinkle was moonlighting with Danny Kaye and Skelton?
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RE: OT -- suggestions to ensure nerdiness in potential IT

2001-08-03 Thread Vergara, Michael (TEM)


My mom would not let us watch that night.

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RE: OT -- suggestions to ensure nerdiness in potential IT

2001-08-03 Thread Jyoti N


Wasn't it Antony Hopkins?Jyoti>From: "Mercadante, Thomas F" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> 
>With Sean Connery, Antonio Banderas & Katherine Zeta-Jones? 
> 
>It was fun, but pretty predictable. Antonio & Katherine together was fun to 
>watch. The sword fight was cute. 
> 
>"Did you happen to catch the recent Zorro movie?" 
> 
> 
>Tom Mercadante 
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> 
>Out of the night, when the full moon is bright, rides a horse man is known 
>as Zorro! 
> 
>Did you happen to catch the recent Zorro movie? 
> 
>Ruth 
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> 
>Or Zorro, or My Friend Flika (westerns with a flair). 
> 
>Terry 
> 
>Rachel Carmichael wrote: 
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> > I wasn't into westerns... but Red Skelton? oh yeah... and Danny Kaye 
>movies. 
> > 
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> > > 
> > >That ran the same time a "bullwinkle". How about Fess Parker as Davy 
> > >Crocket. Or Red Skelton's show with Freddy the freeloader? 
> > >ROR mô¿ôm 
> > > 
> 
> 
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Re: OT -- suggestions to ensure nerdiness in potential IT


It look likes there are more of us older folks than one might think.  And I
loved Bullwinkle, Davy Crockett and Red Skelton and Danny Kaye movies.  My
husband is into old TV so we go to sleep watching TVLand, especially when
The Honeymooners is on.

Ruth
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I wasn't into westerns... but Red Skelton? oh yeah... and Danny Kaye movies.


>From: "Ron Rogers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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>
>That ran the same time a "bullwinkle". How about Fess Parker as Davy
>Crocket. Or Red Skelton's show with Freddy the freeloader?
>ROR mô¿ôm
>
> >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 08/02/01 02:11PM >>>
>Okay, who remembers "Fractured Fairy Tales" and the Professor and his boy
>Sherman?
>
>
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> >Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 08:41:38 -0800
> >
> >And the question (still yet to be properly answered) is "How many licks
> >does
> >it take to get to the center of a Tootsie Pop?"
> >
> >Very nice!!  I saw that all the time on my Saturdays watching Rocky and
> >Bullwinkel, Tom and Jerry and my favorite, Bugs Bunny!!
> >
> >Dave
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> >And the question (still yet to be properly answered) is "How many licks
> >does
> >it take to get to the center of a Tootsie Pop?"
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RE: OT -- suggestions to ensure nerdiness in potential IT



I go back to "here I come to save the day!"  :)

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>Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 13:13:52 -0800
>
>"Fractured Fairy Tales" was a PART of the "Rocky and Bullwinkle Show", as
>well as
>"There's no need to fear, UnderDog is Here!" - the Underdog Show.
>"Nor plane nor bird nor even fog, it's just little old me, Underdog".
>
>
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>
>That ran the same time a "bullwinkle". How about Fess Parker as Davy
>Crocket. Or Red Skelton's show with Freddy the freeloader?
>ROR mô¿ôm
>
> >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 08/02/01 02:11PM >>>
>Okay, who remembers "Fractured Fairy Tales" and the Professor and his boy
>Sherman?
>
>
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> >Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 08:41:38 -0800
> >
> >And the question (still yet to be properly answered) is "How many licks
> >does
> >it take to get to the center of a Tootsie Pop?"
> >
> >Very nice!!  I saw that all the time on my Saturdays watching Rocky and
> >Bullwinkel, Tom and Jerry and my favorite, Bugs Bunny!!
> >
> >Dave
> >
> >-Original Message-
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> >
> >And the question (still yet to be properly answered) is "How many licks
> >does
> >it take to get to the center of a Tootsie Pop?"
> >
> > > I remember a turtle, BUT he spoke to Mr. Owl, and the answer was 3.
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RE: OT -- suggestions to ensure nerdiness in potential IT



how else do I get to see my friends and get a free "vacation"?  At this 
point, the only way I really learn is by going to conferences and talking to 
people. so I do... and for me, learning IS a vacation -- I get to use my 
brain.

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>Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 09:50:51 -0800
>
>Ivan, if you get the opportunity to attend an IOUG(my preferred one) or an 
>openworld event, there is usually a gettogther of the people from the list, 
>so you can place faces/w email addys :)
>
>check with the Goddess(AKA rachel), she's usually at both :)
>
>joe
>
>
> >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 08/02/01 12:35PM >>>
>
>I have to agree with Kevin, this thread is great. However it makes me feel 
>like I really am in the wrong profession, at the wrong time in the wrong 
>place :( .
>In 1981 I was 5 years old and I've never really touched a computer until 
>about 3 years ago, let alone know any of the answers to any of those 
>questions.
>You guys are great! I have learned so much from this list.  Not only the 
>technical stuff but learning about the IT and dba culture from you all is 
>invaluable!  I went to school for psych, so some of this old school talk 
>that us young ones would hear from college cis professors I unfortunately 
>never received, much less the knowledge of that curriculum.
>I am speechless when I step back and look at this list and realize how 
>diverse this list really is.  I mean we have list members from so many 
>parts of the world and from so many different walks of life.  Who would 
>have ever thought that this young Puerto Rican punk from the 'hood would 
>have anything in common with you all?
>I can see us all now at a bar after an oracle event, me in my baggy jeans, 
>timberland boots, Iceberg shirt, etc. enjoying beers with you all. Everyone 
>enjoying and sharing a common bond (dba, oracle) that brings us all 
>together.  Most of you all's peers wouldn't even look our way or have two 
>words for me and my friends in our natural environment. But I think I'd 
>feel just as comfortable around you all as I do at a block party in 
>Bed-Stuy or chilling with some of my friends in Liberty City, Miami.
>All I can say the list is: I GIVE YOU ALL PROPS AND I GOT MAD LOVE FOR 
>YALL! (translation: I hold you all in high esteem and greatly admire and 
>respect you all). Thanks for everything. Ivan


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Re: OT -- suggestions to ensure nerdiness in potential IT

2001-08-03 Thread Terry Ball

Or Zorro, or My Friend Flika (westerns with a flair).

Terry

Rachel Carmichael wrote:

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> >That ran the same time a "bullwinkle". How about Fess Parker as Davy
> >Crocket. Or Red Skelton's show with Freddy the freeloader?
> >ROR mô¿ôm
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RE: OT -- suggestions to ensure nerdiness in potential IT


I wasn't into westerns... but Red Skelton? oh yeah... and Danny Kaye movies.


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>
>That ran the same time a "bullwinkle". How about Fess Parker as Davy 
>Crocket. Or Red Skelton's show with Freddy the freeloader?
>ROR mô¿ôm
>
> >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 08/02/01 02:11PM >>>
>Okay, who remembers "Fractured Fairy Tales" and the Professor and his boy
>Sherman?
>
>
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> >
> >And the question (still yet to be properly answered) is "How many licks
> >does
> >it take to get to the center of a Tootsie Pop?"
> >
> >Very nice!!  I saw that all the time on my Saturdays watching Rocky and
> >Bullwinkel, Tom and Jerry and my favorite, Bugs Bunny!!
> >
> >Dave
> >
> >-Original Message-
> >Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2001 10:27 AM
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> >
> >And the question (still yet to be properly answered) is "How many licks
> >does
> >it take to get to the center of a Tootsie Pop?"
> >
> > > I remember a turtle, BUT he spoke to Mr. Owl, and the answer was 3.
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Re: OT -- suggestions to ensure nerdiness in potential IT staff

2001-08-03 Thread Scott Canaan


I know a person in the Cleveland area that has one in his basement that he uses for a 
print server (and it basically replaced his furnace, too).

April Wells wrote:

> my last company still used pdp-11s
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> It was a magical box to a middle-aged me as well and looked much better than
> my ugly metallic Kaypro.
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> yeah, my father still try's to impress me with stories of punch cards and
> such.  It's pretty funny.  The oldest computer I know of and still have is a
> compaq "portable" computer.  It has the old 5 1/4" "floppy" drives and a
> little tiny screen.  It's basically a suitcase, weighs about 40 pounds, the
> bottom is the keyboard.  Kinda cool, I remember playing games on it as a kid
> and thinking it was the most amazing thing.  Now it makes a good foot rest,
> but that's about it:)
> kk
>
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> And just think about the PC being an advanced system for some of us.
>
> Wait until we again start talking about using paper tapes and having to use
> scotch tape to put them back together to run them through.  Or even the
> older guys that talk about switch boards.  I am not as old as them.  My
> computer days just go back to the mid 70's.
>
> > I love this stuff(being a nerd wannabe), but I don't have a
> > frickin clue
> > what any of you are talking about:)
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Re: OT -- suggestions to ensure nerdiness in potential IT staff

2001-08-03 Thread Kevin Kostyszyn

Title: RE: OT -- suggestions to ensure nerdiness in potential IT staff



I think that's awesome Ivan!!!
KK

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  nerdiness in potential IT staff
  
  Famous...I hope at least recognized by my deeds.  It's 
  funny this is coming up, I am currently in the middle of starting a dream of 
  mine. 
  Basically I am starting a non profit organization designed to 
  teach these hot in demand IT skills to a resource this country has 
  overlooked-young inner city minorities. I know there are people already trying 
  to do similar stuff and oracle has there program they're working on with high 
  schools, but I feel that my business plan and ideas will be superior to what's 
  currently out there, not to mention that I will have an execution plan these 
  kids will latch onto, different from the traditional high school setting 
  they're tired of. 
  I feel that I am an example of what I can do with them, as I 
  said I didn't go to college for CIS, am not a super brain, but I had an 
  interest in computers and also a hunger to make a good living (legally).  
  In the span of three years I have fully changed around my life.  I now 
  make good money (I am currently putting my sister through college) and am 
  living a great clean life. Oracle literally kept me out of jail (no need to go 
  into specifics)! 
  I feel this IT route is a new alternative for inner city youth 
  to make it out of the 'hood. This is a more realistic manner to a good life 
  than the traditional routes of making it big in: sports,music,entertainment or 
  going the wrong route and getting into dealing drugs. I am living just as good 
  as most of the drug dealers I know or have come in contact with and being 
  realistic here, these guys are looked up to by the younger kids in the 
  neighborhood.  As a kid I always looked up to them and still see the same 
  thing going on today. If I can get these kids to see a different way to attain 
  the same possessions the dealers have (for the most part, that's what it boils 
  down to-money and material objects) and get some in the IT field, I've done my 
  job.
  I have been teaching the DBA track here at FSU for the last in 
  preparation for the stated above goal and have started to recruit people for 
  the board and also to teach. Today, in fact I received the conformation that I 
  have been given education consent from the New York State Department of 
  Education (yes!), next comes the 501(c) and I'll be quitting my job hoping 
  to get this thing off the ground. In fact Rachel I have had you in mind to ask 
  to join my board but haven't approach or asked the board for input until I was 
  'official'. Sorry for ranting, any advice (good or bad) will be greatly 
  appreciated. Thanks. Ivan

RE: OT -- suggestions to ensure nerdiness in potential IT staff

2001-08-03 Thread Ivan_Rivera

Title: RE: OT -- suggestions to ensure nerdiness in potential IT staff





Sorry for the last email, I didn't mean to send it to the list.  If anyone by chance read the whole thing and has any questions, feedback or advice I welcome it all. Again sorry for the long message. Ivan

RE: OT -- suggestions to ensure nerdiness in potential IT staff

2001-08-02 Thread Boivin, Patrice J


-Original Message-
> What famous character was used to first advertise the IBM PC?

Charlie Chaplin, easy one.

correct.

> Was it possible to connect two screens to the original IBM PC?
How?

I believe I did one through a Hercules graphics card, but dont quote
me.
Yes - one with the monochrome screen, one through the CGA Adapter.
Ah, high-tech.

> How many boot disks did computers require before 1982?

0
 correct - the OS was on a ROM chip.  There may have been some
computers which required an OS boot disk, but I didn't know about them.
When I realized that the IBM PC was going to require one, I thought:  "What
a hassle."  I liked the Apple IIE way of doing things much better.  Except
for the tiny screen.  Come to think of it, for Apple to now be popular with
graphics designers, etc., is quite a reversal.

> How would you convert a 1-sided 5 ¼" diskette into a 2-sided one?

Flip the floppy and cut a notch.  I actually used scissors.  I loved
it when
they came out with those precise clippers.

Correct.  We actually used a small nail clipper!  Hmmm any chance
you can write on the top side of a CD?

> How did the Commodore Pet make use of hard disk drives?  Floppy
drives?

Never had one, sorry.
The OS was in ROM.  They started instantly at the flip of a switch.

> What colour were the Verbatim 5 ¼" diskette pockets?

Was it grey?  Was that 3Ms?  I remember paying 50 bucks for 10
floppies.  I
thought it was a great deal!!

They were bright pink.  I noticed six months ago that the company
still exists, I hadn't seen any of their products anywhere in over a decade.

> What IBM PS/2 model was listed as having a 2.88M diskette drive?

Sorry, I went with all the generic PCs.

Model 60.  The PS/2 line died because IBM tried to market the
proprietary MicroChannel Architecture.  Competitors went around them with
EISA.

What version of Windows did OS/2 not support?  Why not?
Windows95.  Because Microsoft would not release them the source code, so
they could build a shell.  IBM probably got the right to see the Win3.1
source code because back then OS/2 was a joint project.

> Did the first macintosh computer come with a handle?
What is an MWave Windsurfer card?
A modem card with integrated answering machine and phone message logging.  I
don't know if they still make this.

Which company could be argued started the certification fad in IT?
I would say Novell, for 3.12.  Then they tried to force people to upgrade
their certification to 4.01, and suddenly the MCSE became extremely popular.

> Bonus points:  What figurines appear on PC Magazine Vol 1., Issue
1's
cover?
Wooden string puppets.

> (I notice PC Magazine has gone back to the thickness it had for
issue 1,
vol
> 1... heh heh I wonder what happened).
> Extremely important entertainment bonus question:  What cartridges
came
with
> the Atari 2600 game system upon initial purchase?

Asteroids, I think. 
I vaguely remember that it was Biplane and Casino.  Asteroids was
sold separately.  There may have been a third "free" cartridge though.

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Re: OT -- suggestions to ensure nerdiness in potential IT staff


that settles it, I'm quietly packing up my desk and leaving the list. I 
don't belong here. I vaguely remember working with some of this stuff but 
not all.

I either:

1)never had a memory for anything
2)was sleepwalking through most of my life
3)am not and was not a nerd
4)all of the above

I think I'll lurk for awhile


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>
>I think this is very dependent on one's age and maybe geographic
>location. Okay, I'll start off by showing my age. In 1981 I wasn't in
>high school - my older son was.
>
>I wasn't a ham but back, I think as a pre-teen, we used to make
>"telegraphs" out of a piece of scrap wood, a flashlight bulb, a
>battery, a few nails, a little wire, and a strip of metal cut from a
>tin can to practice Morse code (I don't remember any of it now).
>
>I had to pass a slide rule test in college but in those days so did
>everyone else at Harvey Mudd.
>
>When I saw the question about boot disks I figured that the answer
>would be very dependent on the computer because I know there were
>computers at that time that didn't use disks. However, the computer
>that I got in 1981 required a boot disk.
>
>In fact that computer brings to mind a few other questions from that
>time. Before the introduction of the IBM PC, what was considered the
>operating system for business micro computers? What manufacturer made
>a 5 1/4 floppy drive that used a format with 100 tracks per inch (they
>actually had more data on a single sided disk than IBM had on their
>double sided disk)? What is the difference between hard sectored and
>soft sectored floppies? What did the above mentioned drive use?
>
>Some other questions that come to mind that are not so tied into a
>specific machine are:
>
>What does APL stand for? What was very bad practice in APL that other
>languages use? What was used instead?
>
>What is the language that uses a turtle for teaching children about
>computers? What language was it based on?
>
>Or how about something from the days of main frame tapes that has come
>back to haunt me lately. What is an IBM standard label tape? What
>about it might help in identifying what is on the tape and where it
>came from?
>
>
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I love this stuff(being a nerd wannabe), but I don't have a frickin clue
what any of you are talking about:)
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RE: OT -- suggestions to ensure nerdiness in potential IT staff

2001-08-02 Thread Boivin, Patrice J


Was CP/M the OS that Bill Gates bought just before making his big deal with
IBM?  Can't remember.

Regards,
Patrice Boivin
Systems Analyst (Oracle Certified DBA)

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CP/M [or is it CPM i've seen it written both ways.]

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Re: OT -- suggestions to ensure nerdiness in potential IT

2001-08-02 Thread Ron Rogers


Tucked away in my safe I have 6 tapes for the Atari. Each tape is a different game and 
you had to use a tape player to load them rather than the plugin cartridge. I tried 
one of the games and the visuals were great. The tape version had more info than was 
on the chip.
As far as the answers to the questions. I was not a dedicated nerd at the time. I was 
more interested in audio and video (tv repairman);
ROR mª¿ªm

>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 08/01/01 05:38PM >>>
I guess I can no longer call myself an IT Professional as I cannot answer 
most of those questions.

and in 1981 I was divorcing my first husband

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>
>Perhaps, to be an IT Professional, one should have a bit of background in
>the field.
>
>e.g. one should know what Heathkit was (not that A+ stuff) , and the
>Sinclair, not to mention a few other things:
>
>What famous character was used to first advertise the IBM PC?
>Was it possible to connect two screens to the original IBM PC? How?
>How many boot disks did computers require before 1982?
>How would you convert a 1-sided 5 ¼" diskette into a 2-sided one?
>How did the Commodore Pet make use of hard disk drives?  Floppy drives?
>
>What colour were the Verbatim 5 ¼" diskette pockets?
>
>What IBM PS/2 model was listed as having a 2.88M diskette drive?
>What version of Windows did OS/2 not support?  Why not?
>
>Did the first macintosh computer come with a handle?
>
>What is an MWave Windsurfer card?
>
>Which company could be argued started the certification fad in IT?
>
>Bonus points:  What figurines appear on PC Magazine Vol 1., Issue 1's 
>cover?
>(I notice PC Magazine has gone back to the thickness it had for issue 1, 
>vol
>1... heh heh I wonder what happened).
>
>Extremely important entertainment bonus question:  What cartridges came 
>with
>the Atari 2600 game system upon initial purchase?
>
>But I am dating myself.  Most of these have to do with PCs, forgive me I 
>was
>in grade 11 in 1981.
>
>Here another training school closed last year, GP - used to be SHL Learning
>Technologies, but they slowly died.  The instructors were good, but
>management... well GP no longer exists.  Hopefully the good training
>companies will survive.
>
>Regards,
>Patrice Boivin
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Re: OT -- suggestions to ensure nerdiness in potential IT staff

2001-08-02 Thread Thater, William


On Wed, 1 Aug 2001,Pat Hildebrand scribbled on the wall in glitter crayon:

->When I saw the question about boot disks I figured that the answer
->would be very dependent on the computer because I know there were
->computers at that time that didn't use disks. However, the computer
->that I got in 1981 required a boot disk.

i started programming on IBM 1440s and 360/20s.  on the 20 you had to dial in
the IPL code to get it to read the first card.

->
->In fact that computer brings to mind a few other questions from that
->time. Before the introduction of the IBM PC, what was considered the
->operating system for business micro computers? What manufacturer made

CP/M [or is it CPM i've seen it written both ways.]


->What is the language that uses a turtle for teaching children about
->computers? What language was it based on?

LOGO but i don't remember what it's biased on.  bit rot.;-)


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2001-08-02 Thread Thater, William


On Thu, 2 Aug 2001,Boivin, Patrice J scribbled on the wall in glitter crayon:

->Was CP/M the OS that Bill Gates bought just before making his big deal with
->IBM?  Can't remember.
->
->Regards,
->Patrice Boivin
->Systems Analyst (Oracle Certified DBA)
->
->  -Original Message-
->  CP/M [or is it CPM i've seen it written both ways.]
->
->
AFAIK, no.  it was an OS from a small local company called QDOS [Quick and
Dirty Operating System] if i'm not suffering from too much bit rot.

CP/M was the other OS in contention.

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2001-08-02 Thread Page, Bruce


And just think about the PC being an advanced system for some of us.

Wait until we again start talking about using paper tapes and having to use scotch 
tape to put them back together to run them through.  Or even the older guys that talk 
about switch boards.  I am not as old as them.  My computer days just go back to the 
mid 70's.


> I love this stuff(being a nerd wannabe), but I don't have a 
> frickin clue
> what any of you are talking about:)
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Re: OT -- suggestions to ensure nerdiness in potential IT staff

2001-08-02 Thread Pat Hildebrand



> 
> On Thu, 2 Aug 2001,Boivin, Patrice J scribbled on the wall in glitter crayon:
> 
> ->Was CP/M the OS that Bill Gates bought just before making his big deal with
> ->IBM?  Can't remember.
> ->
> ->Regards,
> ->Patrice Boivin
> ->Systems Analyst (Oracle Certified DBA)
> ->
> ->-Original Message-
> ->CP/M [or is it CPM i've seen it written both ways.]
> ->
> ->
> AFAIK, no.  it was an OS from a small local company called QDOS [Quick and
> Dirty Operating System] if i'm not suffering from too much bit rot.
> 
> CP/M was the other OS in contention.
> 

And the DEC rainbow shipped with both DOS and CP/M.


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2001-08-02 Thread Page, Bruce


And the question (still yet to be properly answered) is "How many licks does it take 
to get to the center of a Tootsie Pop?"

> I remember a turtle, BUT he spoke to Mr. Owl, and the answer was 3.
> 
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we called that 52 card pickup -- take deck, throw in air, run like the devil 
was after us.

I learned EARLY to draw intricate designs on the top of the deck so as to 
make putting it back together simpler.

When projects were due, I'd cut every class but the computer ones, and stay 
in the computer center until midnight,when they closed. Oh the good old 
days!


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>
>1981, I was a junior in college.  Oh what I would give to have a couple of
>weeks like I had then.  I think I skipped as many classes as I went to.  I
>had my first computer class the year before, there was nothing like punch
>card technology.  Just for fun we would get into someones stack and
>rearrange the cards.
>
>Dave
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>Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2001 4:39 PM
>To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
>staff
>
>
>I guess I can no longer call myself an IT Professional as I cannot answer
>most of those questions.
>
>and in 1981 I was divorcing my first husband
>
> >From: "Boivin, Patrice J" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Subject: OT -- suggestions to ensure nerdiness in potential IT staff
> >Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 12:23:09 -0800
> >
> >Perhaps, to be an IT Professional, one should have a bit of background in
> >the field.
> >
> >e.g. one should know what Heathkit was (not that A+ stuff) , and the
> >Sinclair, not to mention a few other things:
> >
> >What famous character was used to first advertise the IBM PC?
> >Was it possible to connect two screens to the original IBM PC? How?
> >How many boot disks did computers require before 1982?
> >How would you convert a 1-sided 5 ¼" diskette into a 2-sided one?
> >How did the Commodore Pet make use of hard disk drives?  Floppy drives?
> >
> >What colour were the Verbatim 5 ¼" diskette pockets?
> >
> >What IBM PS/2 model was listed as having a 2.88M diskette drive?
> >What version of Windows did OS/2 not support?  Why not?
> >
> >Did the first macintosh computer come with a handle?
> >
> >What is an MWave Windsurfer card?
> >
> >Which company could be argued started the certification fad in IT?
> >
> >Bonus points:  What figurines appear on PC Magazine Vol 1., Issue 1's
> >cover?
> >(I notice PC Magazine has gone back to the thickness it had for issue 1,
> >vol
> >1... heh heh I wonder what happened).
> >
> >Extremely important entertainment bonus question:  What cartridges came
> >with
> >the Atari 2600 game system upon initial purchase?
> >
> >But I am dating myself.  Most of these have to do with PCs, forgive me I
> >was
> >in grade 11 in 1981.
> >
> >Here another training school closed last year, GP - used to be SHL 
>Learning
> >Technologies, but they slowly died.  The instructors were good, but
> >management... well GP no longer exists.  Hopefully the good training
> >companies will survive.
> >
> >Regards,
> >Patrice Boivin
> >Systems Analyst (Oracle Certified DBA)
> >
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2001-08-02 Thread Steve . Parker



I thik LOGO was based on LISP.

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On Wed, 1 Aug 2001,Pat Hildebrand scribbled on the wall in glitter crayon:

->When I saw the question about boot disks I figured that the answer
->would be very dependent on the computer because I know there were
->computers at that time that didn't use disks. However, the computer
->that I got in 1981 required a boot disk.

i started programming on IBM 1440s and 360/20s.  on the 20 you had to dial
in
the IPL code to get it to read the first card.

->
->In fact that computer brings to mind a few other questions from that
->time. Before the introduction of the IBM PC, what was considered the
->operating system for business micro computers? What manufacturer made

CP/M [or is it CPM i've seen it written both ways.]


->What is the language that uses a turtle for teaching children about
->computers? What language was it based on?

LOGO but i don't remember what it's biased on.  bit rot.;-)


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RE: OT -- suggestions to ensure nerdiness in potential IT staff

2001-08-02 Thread Mercadante, Thomas F


"What does APL stand for? What was very bad practice in APL that other
languages use? What was used instead?"

A Programming Language.  Not sure of the other questions, but I remember
learning the greek alphabet when I was using APL.  Very powerful
vector-oriented language.  You could write one-line programs to accept a
list of numbers, and spit out the average, mean, stand. dev., max, min and
about anything else.  Pretty cool, except that picking up someone elses
program to debug was a bitch!

Tom Mercadante
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To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L


I think this is very dependent on one's age and maybe geographic
location. Okay, I'll start off by showing my age. In 1981 I wasn't in
high school - my older son was.

I wasn't a ham but back, I think as a pre-teen, we used to make
"telegraphs" out of a piece of scrap wood, a flashlight bulb, a
battery, a few nails, a little wire, and a strip of metal cut from a
tin can to practice Morse code (I don't remember any of it now).

I had to pass a slide rule test in college but in those days so did
everyone else at Harvey Mudd.

When I saw the question about boot disks I figured that the answer
would be very dependent on the computer because I know there were
computers at that time that didn't use disks. However, the computer
that I got in 1981 required a boot disk.

In fact that computer brings to mind a few other questions from that
time. Before the introduction of the IBM PC, what was considered the
operating system for business micro computers? What manufacturer made
a 5 1/4 floppy drive that used a format with 100 tracks per inch (they
actually had more data on a single sided disk than IBM had on their
double sided disk)? What is the difference between hard sectored and
soft sectored floppies? What did the above mentioned drive use?

Some other questions that come to mind that are not so tied into a
specific machine are:

What does APL stand for? What was very bad practice in APL that other
languages use? What was used instead?

What is the language that uses a turtle for teaching children about
computers? What language was it based on?

Or how about something from the days of main frame tapes that has come
back to haunt me lately. What is an IBM standard label tape? What
about it might help in identifying what is on the tape and where it
came from?


  Pat
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RE: OT -- suggestions to ensure nerdiness in potential IT staff

2001-08-02 Thread Deshpande, Kirti


Has anyone worked on IBM's punch card sorter? And IBM-1401 Mainframe? Talk
about un-breakable stuff. The 1401 cabinet had tumbled down 10 steps during
its move to the new computer room (we did not have lifts/elevators in the
building then). But came to life without any problems when it was hooked up
to 1402 and 1403 and those tape units (that you see in the Movies). Was
working fine till I left the company in 1983. The sorter was also working
great !!

- Kirti 

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> 
> 1981, I was a junior in college.  Oh what I would give to have a couple of
> weeks like I had then.  I think I skipped as many classes as I went to.  I
> had my first computer class the year before, there was nothing like punch
> card technology.  Just for fun we would get into someones stack and
> rearrange the cards.
> 
> Dave
> 
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> staff
> 
> 
> I guess I can no longer call myself an IT Professional as I cannot answer 
> most of those questions.
> 
> and in 1981 I was divorcing my first husband
> 
> >From: "Boivin, Patrice J" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> >Subject: OT -- suggestions to ensure nerdiness in potential IT staff
> >Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 12:23:09 -0800
> >
> >Perhaps, to be an IT Professional, one should have a bit of background in
> >the field.
> >
> >e.g. one should know what Heathkit was (not that A+ stuff) , and the
> >Sinclair, not to mention a few other things:
> >
> >What famous character was used to first advertise the IBM PC?
> >Was it possible to connect two screens to the original IBM PC? How?
> >How many boot disks did computers require before 1982?
> >How would you convert a 1-sided 5 ¼" diskette into a 2-sided one?
> >How did the Commodore Pet make use of hard disk drives?  Floppy drives?
> >
> >What colour were the Verbatim 5 ¼" diskette pockets?
> >
> >What IBM PS/2 model was listed as having a 2.88M diskette drive?
> >What version of Windows did OS/2 not support?  Why not?
> >
> >Did the first macintosh computer come with a handle?
> >
> >What is an MWave Windsurfer card?
> >
> >Which company could be argued started the certification fad in IT?
> >
> >Bonus points:  What figurines appear on PC Magazine Vol 1., Issue 1's 
> >cover?
> >(I notice PC Magazine has gone back to the thickness it had for issue 1, 
> >vol
> >1... heh heh I wonder what happened).
> >
> >Extremely important entertainment bonus question:  What cartridges came 
> >with
> >the Atari 2600 game system upon initial purchase?
> >
> >But I am dating myself.  Most of these have to do with PCs, forgive me I 
> >was
> >in grade 11 in 1981.
> >
> >Here another training school closed last year, GP - used to be SHL
> Learning
> >Technologies, but they slowly died.  The instructors were good, but
> >management... well GP no longer exists.  Hopefully the good training
> >companies will survive.
> >
> >Regards,
> >Patrice Boivin
> >Systems Analyst (Oracle Certified DBA)
> >
> >--
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Re: OT -- suggestions to ensure nerdiness in potential IT staff

2001-08-02 Thread tday6


In 1981 my oldest child was 2 and I was working on a very primitive RDBMS
at Boeing.

As a pre-teen I was making a crystal radio and wondering why anyone would
pay for batteries or electricity to power the radio when you could get all
the energy that you needed from the broadcast itself.

As a summer job in college I coded Computer Aided Instruction programs
written in Coursewriter II that ran on an IBM 70x (don't remember the last
digit) which had a magnetic core memory.  Output came back on IBM electric
typewriters that had been Rube Goldberged up as personal printers.

My 2nd IT job was as a computer operator on an IBM 360.  The boot sequence
was toggled in using switches on the front of the computer.  The IBM 370
had a 5 1/4" disk hard-wired that contained the boot sequence (circa 1977).

The business OS for micro computers before DOS was CPM.  Sort of like UNIX
in that it was sparse on the vowels.  When I was at Boeing around 1981 they
did a survey to find the most used micro computer in the business
environment.  Then they went out and built a whole suite of integrated
business products for that computer.  There was a spreadsheet (BoeingCalc),
a word processor, a mail program,a TTY terminal emulator, etc.  Cost
millions to develop.  Unfortunately, it was developed for the Terak, not
the IBM PC.  The Terak was a rack-mounted 8-bit microprocessor whose main
role was to control 6-axis milling machines.  Not much demand for an
integrated business suite there.

Hard sectored floppies had their tracks physically defined.  If I remember
right there were a series of small holes punched between each track so that
the head could align itself with the track.  Soft sectored floppies are
what we use today, where the media is continuous over the whole surface and
the track (and the inter track gap) are defined magnetically.  I do
remember the 8" floppies.  They made great frisbies.

APL is "A Programming Language."  If I remember right it didn't allow
GOTOs.  It also had its own keyboard with its own character set.
Completely unintelligible to the uninitiated.

Was the turtle language based on LISP?

800 BPI or 1600 BPI tapes?  What's the blocking factor?  I forget what the
IEUtility was that I used for reading those standard (and non-standard)
labels, but once you figured out the block size and the blocking factor you
could dump the tape to an EPSDIC flat file and figure out the record
layout.  I saved many a boss's butt doing that in my early years.

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RE: OT -- suggestions to ensure nerdiness in potential IT staff

2001-08-02 Thread Norwood Bradly A

Title: RE: OT -- suggestions to ensure nerdiness in potential IT staff



Thanks, Ivan.
Most 
of us are probably from some 'hood.  Mine was the barrio of East L.A. as a 
first generation Mexican-American.
The 
great equalizers are self-education, self-esteem and 
self-motivation.
When 
you are famous like Rachel or Steve Adams, we expect free autographs on your 
books.
 
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2001 
11:36 AMTo: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-LSubject: 
RE: OT -- suggestions to ensure nerdiness in potential IT 
staff
I have to agree with Kevin, this thread is great. However it 
makes me feel like I really am in the wrong profession, at the wrong time in the 
wrong place :( . 
In 1981 I was 5 years old and I've never really touched a 
computer until about 3 years ago, let alone know any of the answers to any of 
those questions.
You guys are great! I have learned so much from this list.  
Not only the technical stuff but learning about the IT and dba culture from you 
all is invaluable!  I went to school for psych, so some of this old school 
talk that us young ones would hear from college cis professors I unfortunately 
never received, much less the knowledge of that curriculum.
I am speechless when I step back and look at this list and 
realize how diverse this list really is.  I mean we have list members from 
so many parts of the world and from so many different walks of life.  Who 
would have ever thought that this young Puerto Rican punk from the 'hood would 
have anything in common with you all? 
I can see us all now at a bar after an oracle event, me in my 
baggy jeans, timberland boots, Iceberg shirt, etc. enjoying beers with you all. 
Everyone enjoying and sharing a common bond (dba, oracle) that brings us all 
together.  Most of you all's peers wouldn't even look our way or have two 
words for me and my friends in our natural environment. But I think I'd feel 
just as comfortable around you all as I do at a block party in Bed-Stuy or 
chilling with some of my friends in Liberty City, Miami.
All I can say the list is: I GIVE YOU ALL PROPS AND I GOT MAD 
LOVE FOR YALL! (translation: I hold you all in high esteem and greatly admire 
and respect you all). Thanks for everything. Ivan

RE: OT -- suggestions to ensure nerdiness in potential IT staff

2001-08-02 Thread Gogala, Mladen


With RSX and KED? May be some good, old VT100 and VT220? Oh, that makes me
nostalgic! 

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> 
> my last company still used pdp-11s
> 
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> 
> It was a magical box to a middle-aged me as well and looked 
> much better than
> my ugly metallic Kaypro.
> 
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> 
> yeah, my father still try's to impress me with stories of 
> punch cards and
> such.  It's pretty funny.  The oldest computer I know of and 
> still have is a
> compaq "portable" computer.  It has the old 5 1/4" "floppy" 
> drives and a
> little tiny screen.  It's basically a suitcase, weighs about 
> 40 pounds, the
> bottom is the keyboard.  Kinda cool, I remember playing games 
> on it as a kid
> and thinking it was the most amazing thing.  Now it makes a 
> good foot rest,
> but that's about it:)
> kk
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> 
> And just think about the PC being an advanced system for some of us.
> 
> Wait until we again start talking about using paper tapes and 
> having to use
> scotch tape to put them back together to run them through.  
> Or even the
> older guys that talk about switch boards.  I am not as old as 
> them.  My
> computer days just go back to the mid 70's.
> 
> 
> > I love this stuff(being a nerd wannabe), but I don't have a
> > frickin clue
> > what any of you are talking about:)
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RE: OT -- suggestions to ensure nerdiness in potential IT

2001-08-02 Thread JOE TESTA




Ivan, if you get the opportunity to attend an IOUG(my preferred one) or an 
openworld event, there is usually a gettogther of the people from the list, so 
you can place faces/w email addys :)
 
check with the Goddess(AKA rachel), she's usually at both :)
 
joe
>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 08/02/01 12:35PM 
>>>
I have to agree with Kevin, this thread is great. However it 
makes me feel like I really am in the wrong profession, at the wrong time in the 
wrong place :( . 
In 1981 I was 5 years old and I've never really touched a 
computer until about 3 years ago, let alone know any of the answers to any of 
those questions.
You guys are great! I have learned so much from this list.  
Not only the technical stuff but learning about the IT and dba culture from you 
all is invaluable!  I went to school for psych, so some of this old school 
talk that us young ones would hear from college cis professors I unfortunately 
never received, much less the knowledge of that curriculum.
I am speechless when I step back and look at this list and 
realize how diverse this list really is.  I mean we have list members from 
so many parts of the world and from so many different walks of life.  Who 
would have ever thought that this young Puerto Rican punk from the 'hood would 
have anything in common with you all? 
I can see us all now at a bar after an oracle event, me in my 
baggy jeans, timberland boots, Iceberg shirt, etc. enjoying beers with you all. 
Everyone enjoying and sharing a common bond (dba, oracle) that brings us all 
together.  Most of you all's peers wouldn't even look our way or have two 
words for me and my friends in our natural environment. But I think I'd feel 
just as comfortable around you all as I do at a block party in Bed-Stuy or 
chilling with some of my friends in Liberty City, Miami.
All I can say the list is: I GIVE YOU ALL PROPS AND I GOT MAD 
LOVE FOR YALL! (translation: I hold you all in high esteem and greatly admire 
and respect you all). Thanks for everything. Ivan

Re: OT -- suggestions to ensure nerdiness in potential IT

2001-08-02 Thread JOE TESTA




ATC now that had to be kewl.  Isnt it still the same from 
ages ago, they talked about ATC software/hardware has its own Y2K issue(not in 
the year 2000 but some time else in the future)
 
joe
 
>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 08/02/01 02:39PM >>>Mid 
70's?  I never used a computer before 1990.  I went from 
zeroexperience to real-time, hybrid unix on a mainframe doing 
maintenanceprogramming for an Air Traffic Control system.  Prior to 
that, I workedblue-collar (come from a long line of ironworkers) until I 
joined theUSAF and they told me I was a computer programmer...Scott 
ShaferSan Antonio, TX"Page, Bruce" wrote:> > And 
just think about the PC being an advanced system for some of us.> 
> Wait until we again start talking about using paper tapes and having to 
use scotch tape to put them back together to run them through.  Or even the 
older guys that talk about switch boards.  I am not as old as them.  
My computer days just go back to the mid 70's.> > > I love this 
stuff(being a nerd wannabe), but I don't have a> > frickin 
clue> > what any of you are talking 
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RE: OT -- suggestions to ensure nerdiness in potential IT staff


nah, those were girl things.

punch ball outside, roller skates with two sets of wheels and a key to 
tighten the front clasp, climbing monkey bars

indoors it was books. Always books. I can't remember not reading


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>Mr. Peabody and Sherman?
>Of course.
>
>I was into "Creepy Crawlers" and "Vac-U-Form" back then but I'll bet you
>were more into "Incredible Edibles" or "Fun Flowers".
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>Cheers
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>Okay, who remembers "Fractured Fairy Tales" and the Professor and his boy
>Sherman?
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> >And the question (still yet to be properly answered) is "How many licks
> >does
> >it take to get to the center of a Tootsie Pop?"
> >
> >Very nice!!  I saw that all the time on my Saturdays watching Rocky and
> >Bullwinkel, Tom and Jerry and my favorite, Bugs Bunny!!
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> >Dave
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> >does
> >it take to get to the center of a Tootsie Pop?"
> >
> > > I remember a turtle, BUT he spoke to Mr. Owl, and the answer was 3.
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RE: OT -- suggestions to ensure nerdiness in potential IT staff

2001-08-02 Thread Vergara, Michael (TEM)


What was it

Dreezel...drazzle...drozzle...drone
Time for this one to come home!

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Okay, who remembers "Fractured Fairy Tales" and the Professor and his boy
Sherman?


>From: "Farnsworth, Dave" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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>
>And the question (still yet to be properly answered) is "How many licks
>does
>it take to get to the center of a Tootsie Pop?"
>
>Very nice!!  I saw that all the time on my Saturdays watching Rocky and
>Bullwinkel, Tom and Jerry and my favorite, Bugs Bunny!!
>
>Dave
>
>-Original Message-
>Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2001 10:27 AM
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>
>
>And the question (still yet to be properly answered) is "How many licks
>does
>it take to get to the center of a Tootsie Pop?"
>
> > I remember a turtle, BUT he spoke to Mr. Owl, and the answer was 3.
> >
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Re: OT -- suggestions to ensure nerdiness in potential IT staff

2001-08-02 Thread Ruth Gramolini


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RE: OT -- suggestions to ensure nerdiness in potential IT staff

2001-08-02 Thread tday6


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Okay, who remembers "Fractured Fairy Tales" and the Professor and his boy
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>And the question (still yet to be properly answered) is "How many licks
>does
>it take to get to the center of a Tootsie Pop?"
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>Very nice!!  I saw that all the time on my Saturdays watching Rocky and
>Bullwinkel, Tom and Jerry and my favorite, Bugs Bunny!!
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Re: OT -- suggestions to ensure nerdiness in potential IT staff

2001-08-02 Thread Jared . Still




> Sort of like UNIX in that it was sparse on the vowels.

What are you talking about?

There's 2 of them right there in the name.

Jared  ;)





   
 
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In 1981 my oldest child was 2 and I was working on a very primitive RDBMS
at Boeing.

As a pre-teen I was making a crystal radio and wondering why anyone would
pay for batteries or electricity to power the radio when you could get all
the energy that you needed from the broadcast itself.

As a summer job in college I coded Computer Aided Instruction programs
written in Coursewriter II that ran on an IBM 70x (don't remember the last
digit) which had a magnetic core memory.  Output came back on IBM electric
typewriters that had been Rube Goldberged up as personal printers.

My 2nd IT job was as a computer operator on an IBM 360.  The boot sequence
was toggled in using switches on the front of the computer.  The IBM 370
had a 5 1/4" disk hard-wired that contained the boot sequence (circa 1977).

did a survey to find the most used micro computer in the business
environment.  Then they went out and built a whole suite of integrated
business products for that computer.  There was a spreadsheet (BoeingCalc),
a word processor, a mail program,a TTY terminal emulator, etc.  Cost
millions to develop.  Unfortunately, it was developed for the Terak, not
the IBM PC.  The Terak was a rack-mounted 8-bit microprocessor whose main
role was to control 6-axis milling machines.  Not much demand for an
integrated business suite there.

Hard sectored floppies had their tracks physically defined.  If I remember
right there were a series of small holes punched between each track so that
the head could align itself with the track.  Soft sectored floppies are
what we use today, where the media is continuous over the whole surface and
the track (and the inter track gap) are defined magnetically.  I do
remember the 8" floppies.  They made great frisbies.

APL is "A Programming Language."  If I remember right it didn't allow
GOTOs.  It also had its own keyboard with its own character set.
Completely unintelligible to the uninitiated.

Was the turtle language based on LISP?

800 BPI or 1600 BPI tapes?  What's the blocking factor?  I forget what the
IEUtility was that I used for reading those standard (and non-standard)
labels, but once you figured out the block size and the blocking factor you
could dump the tape to an EPSDIC flat file and figure out the record
layout.  I saved many a boss's butt doing that in my early years.

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RE: OT -- suggestions to ensure nerdiness in potential IT staff

2001-08-02 Thread Ivan_Rivera

Title: RE: OT -- suggestions to ensure nerdiness in potential IT staff

I have to agree with Kevin, this thread is great. However it makes me feel like I really am in the wrong profession, at the wrong time in the wrong place :( .

In 1981 I was 5 years old and I've never really touched a computer until about 3 years ago, let alone know any of the answers to any of those questions.

You guys are great! I have learned so much from this list. Not only the technical stuff but learning about the IT and dba culture from you all is invaluable! I went to school for psych, so some of this old school talk that us young ones would hear from college cis professors I unfortunately never received, much less the knowledge of that curriculum.

I am speechless when I step back and look at this list and realize how diverse this list really is. I mean we have list members from so many parts of the world and from so many different walks of life. Who would have ever thought that this young Puerto Rican punk from the 'hood would have anything in common with you all?

I can see us all now at a bar after an oracle event, me in my baggy jeans, timberland boots, Iceberg shirt, etc. enjoying beers with you all. Everyone enjoying and sharing a common bond (dba, oracle) that brings us all together. Most of you all's peers wouldn't even look our way or have two words for me and my friends in our natural environment. But I think I'd feel just as comfortable around you all as I do at a block party in Bed-Stuy or chilling with some of my friends in Liberty City, Miami.

All I can say the list is: I GIVE YOU ALL PROPS AND I GOT MAD LOVE FOR YALL! (translation: I hold you all in high esteem and greatly admire and respect you all). Thanks for everything. Ivan

RE: OT -- suggestions to ensure nerdiness in potential IT


yeah, that guy is probably kicking himsef.  but probably not as bad as the
boneheads a Xerox!
KK

No offense if someone on this list currently works for, has worked for or
knows someone that works or worked for Xerox, you're not boneheads:)

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I sure hope somebody is capturing this thread!  This is a history of
computing as seen by the people in the trenches!

Now...

> 3) What company made the first "Portable" (luggable) computers?
It was either Kaypro or Osborne.  The Ozzy had a little tiny 40-column
screen and dual 5.25" floppies.  The Kaypro had an 80-column screen
and dual floppies.

If I remember correctly, Microsoft bought QDOS from Seattle Computer Works
for around $50k so they could have an O/S for IBM's first PC.  I cannot
remember the name of the guy who owned CP/M, but they would not sign IBM's
non-disclosure agreement, and sent IBM to Gates.  MS had nothing to lose
so they signed and the rest is history.

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> The cartridge that came with the 2600 was COMBAT.  It had a tank game
> and a biplane game.  If they added another cartridge, it must have been
> in the later years.  And the whole package cost $150

Now I remember...

> 1) Who started Atari, what else did he start?
> 2) What Graphical computer preceeded the Mac?

Lisa, thats easy.  I remember seeing a demo of it.  I was totally amazed.
Everyone was drooling over it.  It was big and expensive, and then the Mac
came out and they were selling like crazy.  Everyone had one except for me.


> CP/M Control Program for Microcomputers - It was the first big OS.
> 2.5 What was the first Big Time Word processor that eventually lost out
> to Word?

WordPerfect.  Not sure they lost out.  I believe it was a mix of they didnt
push there Windows version like MS, and then of course, the MS marketing
machine.  They were another company that had 90%+ of the market and thought
they were the king, untoucable and arrogant then along came MS with Word.
Its been the same story over and over with every company that has gone up
against MS.  And Palm/Handspring is next...

> 3) What company made the first "Portable" (luggable) computers?

Oh I cant think of the name.  But the metal case was sort of a greyish blue,
and it had a "lid" which was the keyboard.  And it had a little monochrome
monitor, and I believe it was 5 1/4 floppy drive.

> The first MAC (128K, 400K floppy) had no handle, I had one(still have
> it)
> 4) What was "Special" about the inside of the Mac case?

It has the signatures of all the creators.

> 5) Who wrote QDOS?
>
> sigh, I agree, the good ol' daze




>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 08/02/01 06:57AM >>>
On Thu, 2 Aug 2001,Boivin, Patrice J scribbled on the wall in glitter
crayon:

->Was CP/M the OS that Bill Gates bought just before making his big
deal with
->IBM?  Can't remember.
->
->Regards,
->Patrice Boivin
->Systems Analyst (Oracle Certified DBA)
->
->  -Original Message-
->  CP/M [or is it CPM i've seen it written both ways.]
->
->
AFAIK, no.  it was an OS from a small local company called QDOS [Quick
and
Dirty Operating System] if i'm not suffering from too much bit rot.

CP/M was the other OS in contention.

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RE: OT -- suggestions to ensure nerdiness in potential IT staff


heck, I did production work over a 300 baud modem -- the one where you had 
to dial in and then place the handset into the cups :)

and I thought it was the speediest thing ever


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>One of those Compaqs was the first portable I took home from work 7 years
>ago!  It sat in my basement until 3 years ago when I lugged it back - we
>were moving and I didn't want to be responsible for it any more!  (Gosh, a
>1200k modem?)
>
>Same company that is *still* using PL/1 as it's mainframe programming
>language and APL in the actuarial department.
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>yeah, my father still try's to impress me with stories of punch cards and
>such.  It's pretty funny.  The oldest computer I know of and still have is 
>a
>compaq "portable" computer.  It has the old 5 1/4" "floppy" drives and a
>little tiny screen.  It's basically a suitcase, weighs about 40 pounds, the
>bottom is the keyboard.  Kinda cool, I remember playing games on it as a 
>kid
>and thinking it was the most amazing thing.  Now it makes a good foot rest,
>but that's about it:)
>kk
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>And just think about the PC being an advanced system for some of us.
>
>Wait until we again start talking about using paper tapes and having to use
>scotch tape to put them back together to run them through.  Or even the
>older guys that talk about switch boards.  I am not as old as them.  My
>computer days just go back to the mid 70's.
>
>
> > I love this stuff(being a nerd wannabe), but I don't have a
> > frickin clue
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RE: OT -- suggestions to ensure nerdiness in potential IT

2001-08-02 Thread Kevin Lange


Got it all Michael . some day I have to go read the thread from begining
to end

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I sure hope somebody is capturing this thread!  This is a history of
computing as seen by the people in the trenches!

Now...

> 3) What company made the first "Portable" (luggable) computers?
It was either Kaypro or Osborne.  The Ozzy had a little tiny 40-column
screen and dual 5.25" floppies.  The Kaypro had an 80-column screen
and dual floppies.  

If I remember correctly, Microsoft bought QDOS from Seattle Computer Works 
for around $50k so they could have an O/S for IBM's first PC.  I cannot
remember the name of the guy who owned CP/M, but they would not sign IBM's
non-disclosure agreement, and sent IBM to Gates.  MS had nothing to lose
so they signed and the rest is history.

---
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Oracle DBA  | it's already tomorrow in Australia.
Guidant Corporation |  - Charles Schulz


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> The cartridge that came with the 2600 was COMBAT.  It had a tank game
> and a biplane game.  If they added another cartridge, it must have been
> in the later years.  And the whole package cost $150

Now I remember...

> 1) Who started Atari, what else did he start?
> 2) What Graphical computer preceeded the Mac?

Lisa, thats easy.  I remember seeing a demo of it.  I was totally amazed.
Everyone was drooling over it.  It was big and expensive, and then the Mac
came out and they were selling like crazy.  Everyone had one except for me.


> CP/M Control Program for Microcomputers - It was the first big OS.
> 2.5 What was the first Big Time Word processor that eventually lost out
> to Word?

WordPerfect.  Not sure they lost out.  I believe it was a mix of they didnt
push there Windows version like MS, and then of course, the MS marketing
machine.  They were another company that had 90%+ of the market and thought
they were the king, untoucable and arrogant then along came MS with Word.
Its been the same story over and over with every company that has gone up
against MS.  And Palm/Handspring is next...

> 3) What company made the first "Portable" (luggable) computers?

Oh I cant think of the name.  But the metal case was sort of a greyish blue,
and it had a "lid" which was the keyboard.  And it had a little monochrome
monitor, and I believe it was 5 1/4 floppy drive.

> The first MAC (128K, 400K floppy) had no handle, I had one(still have
> it)
> 4) What was "Special" about the inside of the Mac case?

It has the signatures of all the creators.

> 5) Who wrote QDOS?
> 
> sigh, I agree, the good ol' daze




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->Was CP/M the OS that Bill Gates bought just before making his big
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->IBM?  Can't remember.
->
->Regards,
->Patrice Boivin
->Systems Analyst (Oracle Certified DBA)
->
->  -Original Message-
->  CP/M [or is it CPM i've seen it written both ways.]
->
->
AFAIK, no.  it was an OS from a small local company called QDOS [Quick
and
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RE: OT -- suggestions to ensure nerdiness in potential IT staff

2001-08-02 Thread April Wells


my last company still used pdp-11s

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It was a magical box to a middle-aged me as well and looked much better than
my ugly metallic Kaypro.

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yeah, my father still try's to impress me with stories of punch cards and
such.  It's pretty funny.  The oldest computer I know of and still have is a
compaq "portable" computer.  It has the old 5 1/4" "floppy" drives and a
little tiny screen.  It's basically a suitcase, weighs about 40 pounds, the
bottom is the keyboard.  Kinda cool, I remember playing games on it as a kid
and thinking it was the most amazing thing.  Now it makes a good foot rest,
but that's about it:)
kk

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And just think about the PC being an advanced system for some of us.

Wait until we again start talking about using paper tapes and having to use
scotch tape to put them back together to run them through.  Or even the
older guys that talk about switch boards.  I am not as old as them.  My
computer days just go back to the mid 70's.


> I love this stuff(being a nerd wannabe), but I don't have a
> frickin clue
> what any of you are talking about:)
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RE: OT -- suggestions to ensure nerdiness in potential IT staff

2001-08-02 Thread Steve . Parker



Oh, I remember reminiscing !

I was all set to become a vetinary surgeon when I met a Commodore Pet,
running rat trap
and was hooked. That was 25 years ago.

(sounds of sobbing and tears hitting the keyboard)

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RE: OT -- suggestions to ensure nerdiness in potential IT

2001-08-02 Thread Grabowy, Chris



> The cartridge that came with the 2600 was COMBAT.  It had a tank game
> and a biplane game.  If they added another cartridge, it must have been
> in the later years.  And the whole package cost $150

Now I remember...

> 1) Who started Atari, what else did he start?
> 2) What Graphical computer preceeded the Mac?

Lisa, thats easy.  I remember seeing a demo of it.  I was totally amazed.
Everyone was drooling over it.  It was big and expensive, and then the Mac
came out and they were selling like crazy.  Everyone had one except for me.


> CP/M Control Program for Microcomputers - It was the first big OS.
> 2.5 What was the first Big Time Word processor that eventually lost out
> to Word?

WordPerfect.  Not sure they lost out.  I believe it was a mix of they didnt
push there Windows version like MS, and then of course, the MS marketing
machine.  They were another company that had 90%+ of the market and thought
they were the king, untoucable and arrogant then along came MS with Word.
Its been the same story over and over with every company that has gone up
against MS.  And Palm/Handspring is next...

> 3) What company made the first "Portable" (luggable) computers?

Oh I cant think of the name.  But the metal case was sort of a greyish blue,
and it had a "lid" which was the keyboard.  And it had a little monochrome
monitor, and I believe it was 5 1/4 floppy drive.

> The first MAC (128K, 400K floppy) had no handle, I had one(still have
> it)
> 4) What was "Special" about the inside of the Mac case?

It has the signatures of all the creators.

> 5) Who wrote QDOS?
> 
> sigh, I agree, the good ol' daze




>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 08/02/01 06:57AM >>>
On Thu, 2 Aug 2001,Boivin, Patrice J scribbled on the wall in glitter
crayon:

->Was CP/M the OS that Bill Gates bought just before making his big
deal with
->IBM?  Can't remember.
->
->Regards,
->Patrice Boivin
->Systems Analyst (Oracle Certified DBA)
->
->  -Original Message-
->  CP/M [or is it CPM i've seen it written both ways.]
->
->
AFAIK, no.  it was an OS from a small local company called QDOS [Quick
and
Dirty Operating System] if i'm not suffering from too much bit rot.

CP/M was the other OS in contention.

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RE: OT -- suggestions to ensure nerdiness in potential IT staff

2001-08-02 Thread Kathy Duret


Yes!  Mr. Peabody, Boris and Natasha... who could forget them...

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Okay, who remembers "Fractured Fairy Tales" and the Professor and his boy 
Sherman?


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>
>And the question (still yet to be properly answered) is "How many licks 
>does
>it take to get to the center of a Tootsie Pop?"
>
>Very nice!!  I saw that all the time on my Saturdays watching Rocky and
>Bullwinkel, Tom and Jerry and my favorite, Bugs Bunny!!
>
>Dave
>
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>And the question (still yet to be properly answered) is "How many licks 
>does
>it take to get to the center of a Tootsie Pop?"
>
> > I remember a turtle, BUT he spoke to Mr. Owl, and the answer was 3.
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RE: OT -- suggestions to ensure nerdiness in potential IT staff

2001-08-02 Thread Sherman, Edward


Mr. Peabody and Sherman?
Of course.

I was into "Creepy Crawlers" and "Vac-U-Form" back then but I'll bet you
were more into "Incredible Edibles" or "Fun Flowers".

Cheers

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Okay, who remembers "Fractured Fairy Tales" and the Professor and his boy 
Sherman?


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>And the question (still yet to be properly answered) is "How many licks 
>does
>it take to get to the center of a Tootsie Pop?"
>
>Very nice!!  I saw that all the time on my Saturdays watching Rocky and
>Bullwinkel, Tom and Jerry and my favorite, Bugs Bunny!!
>
>Dave
>
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>And the question (still yet to be properly answered) is "How many licks 
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>
> > I remember a turtle, BUT he spoke to Mr. Owl, and the answer was 3.
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RE: OT -- suggestions to ensure nerdiness in potential IT


dunno about 1)  but 2) is Lisa



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>Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 08:16:37 -0800
>
>The cartridge that came with the 2600 was COMBAT.  It had a tank game
>and a biplane game.  If they added another cartridge, it must have been
>in the later years.  And the whole package cost $150
>
>1) Who started Atari, what else did he start?
>2) What Graphical computer preceeded the Mac?
>
>CP/M Control Program for Microcomputers - It was the first big OS.
>2.5 What was the first Big Time Word processor that eventually lost out
>to Word?
>
>3) What company made the first "Portable" (luggable) computers?
>
>The first MAC (128K, 400K floppy) had no handle, I had one(still have
>it)
>4) What was "Special" about the inside of the Mac case?
>5) Who wrote QDOS?
>
>sigh, I agree, the good ol' daze
>
>
>
>
> >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 08/02/01 06:57AM >>>
>On Thu, 2 Aug 2001,Boivin, Patrice J scribbled on the wall in glitter
>crayon:
>
>->Was CP/M the OS that Bill Gates bought just before making his big
>deal with
>->IBM?  Can't remember.
>->
>->Regards,
>->Patrice Boivin
>->Systems Analyst (Oracle Certified DBA)
>->
>-> -Original Message-
>-> CP/M [or is it CPM i've seen it written both ways.]
>->
>->
>AFAIK, no.  it was an OS from a small local company called QDOS [Quick
>and
>Dirty Operating System] if i'm not suffering from too much bit rot.
>
>CP/M was the other OS in contention.
>
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>
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RE: OT -- suggestions to ensure nerdiness in potential IT

2001-08-02 Thread JOE TESTA




the number of licks top get to the center of a 
tootsiepop.
 
joe
 
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3.For those not in the US, it's from an old TV commercial.I 
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>What is the language that uses a turtle for teaching children about> 
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RE: OT -- suggestions to ensure nerdiness in potential IT staff

2001-08-02 Thread Farnsworth, Dave


>-Okay, who remembers "Fractured Fairy Tales" and the Professor and his
>-boy Sherman?

On black and white TV!!  :(

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Okay, who remembers "Fractured Fairy Tales" and the Professor and his boy 
Sherman?


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>And the question (still yet to be properly answered) is "How many licks 
>does
>it take to get to the center of a Tootsie Pop?"
>
>Very nice!!  I saw that all the time on my Saturdays watching Rocky and
>Bullwinkel, Tom and Jerry and my favorite, Bugs Bunny!!
>
>Dave
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>it take to get to the center of a Tootsie Pop?"
>
> > I remember a turtle, BUT he spoke to Mr. Owl, and the answer was 3.
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RE: OT -- suggestions to ensure nerdiness in potential IT

2001-08-02 Thread Vergara, Michael (TEM)


I sure hope somebody is capturing this thread!  This is a history of
computing as seen by the people in the trenches!

Now...

> 3) What company made the first "Portable" (luggable) computers?
It was either Kaypro or Osborne.  The Ozzy had a little tiny 40-column
screen and dual 5.25" floppies.  The Kaypro had an 80-column screen
and dual floppies.  

If I remember correctly, Microsoft bought QDOS from Seattle Computer Works 
for around $50k so they could have an O/S for IBM's first PC.  I cannot
remember the name of the guy who owned CP/M, but they would not sign IBM's
non-disclosure agreement, and sent IBM to Gates.  MS had nothing to lose
so they signed and the rest is history.

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> The cartridge that came with the 2600 was COMBAT.  It had a tank game
> and a biplane game.  If they added another cartridge, it must have been
> in the later years.  And the whole package cost $150

Now I remember...

> 1) Who started Atari, what else did he start?
> 2) What Graphical computer preceeded the Mac?

Lisa, thats easy.  I remember seeing a demo of it.  I was totally amazed.
Everyone was drooling over it.  It was big and expensive, and then the Mac
came out and they were selling like crazy.  Everyone had one except for me.


> CP/M Control Program for Microcomputers - It was the first big OS.
> 2.5 What was the first Big Time Word processor that eventually lost out
> to Word?

WordPerfect.  Not sure they lost out.  I believe it was a mix of they didnt
push there Windows version like MS, and then of course, the MS marketing
machine.  They were another company that had 90%+ of the market and thought
they were the king, untoucable and arrogant then along came MS with Word.
Its been the same story over and over with every company that has gone up
against MS.  And Palm/Handspring is next...

> 3) What company made the first "Portable" (luggable) computers?

Oh I cant think of the name.  But the metal case was sort of a greyish blue,
and it had a "lid" which was the keyboard.  And it had a little monochrome
monitor, and I believe it was 5 1/4 floppy drive.

> The first MAC (128K, 400K floppy) had no handle, I had one(still have
> it)
> 4) What was "Special" about the inside of the Mac case?

It has the signatures of all the creators.

> 5) Who wrote QDOS?
> 
> sigh, I agree, the good ol' daze




>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 08/02/01 06:57AM >>>
On Thu, 2 Aug 2001,Boivin, Patrice J scribbled on the wall in glitter
crayon:

->Was CP/M the OS that Bill Gates bought just before making his big
deal with
->IBM?  Can't remember.
->
->Regards,
->Patrice Boivin
->Systems Analyst (Oracle Certified DBA)
->
->  -Original Message-
->  CP/M [or is it CPM i've seen it written both ways.]
->
->
AFAIK, no.  it was an OS from a small local company called QDOS [Quick
and
Dirty Operating System] if i'm not suffering from too much bit rot.

CP/M was the other OS in contention.

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RE: OT -- suggestions to ensure nerdiness in potential IT

2001-08-02 Thread Ron Rogers


That ran the same time a "bullwinkle". How about Fess Parker as Davy Crocket. Or Red 
Skelton's show with Freddy the freeloader?
ROR mô¿ôm

>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 08/02/01 02:11PM >>>
Okay, who remembers "Fractured Fairy Tales" and the Professor and his boy 
Sherman?


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>
>And the question (still yet to be properly answered) is "How many licks 
>does
>it take to get to the center of a Tootsie Pop?"
>
>Very nice!!  I saw that all the time on my Saturdays watching Rocky and
>Bullwinkel, Tom and Jerry and my favorite, Bugs Bunny!!
>
>Dave
>
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>And the question (still yet to be properly answered) is "How many licks 
>does
>it take to get to the center of a Tootsie Pop?"
>
> > I remember a turtle, BUT he spoke to Mr. Owl, and the answer was 3.
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RE: OT -- suggestions to ensure nerdiness in potential IT staff


Famous? OY!

Ivan -- we usually manage one list get-together at the conferences. I'll 
gladly swap stories over beer with you.

I work at a multi-media music company with an online presence (that's a 
quote from marketing). The average age here is about 23. I *think* the CEO 
is older than me, but if he is, it's close.

My "'hood" is NYC, born and raised in Queens, second-generation 
Russian-American Jew (although according to an Anthropology teacher I had in 
college, "Jewish" is an ethnic background in and of itself)


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>Thanks, Ivan.
>Most of us are probably from some 'hood.  Mine was the barrio of East L.A.
>as a first generation Mexican-American.
>The great equalizers are self-education, self-esteem and self-motivation.
>When you are famous like Rachel or Steve Adams, we expect free autographs 
>on
>your books.
>
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>
>I have to agree with Kevin, this thread is great. However it makes me feel
>like I really am in the wrong profession, at the wrong time in the wrong
>place :( .
>
>In 1981 I was 5 years old and I've never really touched a computer until
>about 3 years ago, let alone know any of the answers to any of those
>questions.
>
>You guys are great! I have learned so much from this list.  Not only the
>technical stuff but learning about the IT and dba culture from you all is
>invaluable!  I went to school for psych, so some of this old school talk
>that us young ones would hear from college cis professors I unfortunately
>never received, much less the knowledge of that curriculum.
>
>I am speechless when I step back and look at this list and realize how
>diverse this list really is.  I mean we have list members from so many 
>parts
>of the world and from so many different walks of life.  Who would have ever
>thought that this young Puerto Rican punk from the 'hood would have 
>anything
>in common with you all?
>
>I can see us all now at a bar after an oracle event, me in my baggy jeans,
>timberland boots, Iceberg shirt, etc. enjoying beers with you all. Everyone
>enjoying and sharing a common bond (dba, oracle) that brings us all
>together.  Most of you all's peers wouldn't even look our way or have two
>words for me and my friends in our natural environment. But I think I'd 
>feel
>just as comfortable around you all as I do at a block party in Bed-Stuy or
>chilling with some of my friends in Liberty City, Miami.
>
>All I can say the list is: I GIVE YOU ALL PROPS AND I GOT MAD LOVE FOR 
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RE: OT -- suggestions to ensure nerdiness in potential IT staff


Hahahah, that's a good idea, that would very funny!!

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Hmmm...I had one of those old Compaq's, too.  I was a consultant at the
time, and my partner had an Osborne.  We'd be going from San Diego to
Savannah via DFW, and we'd have to strap those two monsters to a set
of luggage wheels and haul a** through the airport to make the connection.

You could have fun with that, y'know.  You could gut it and install a
SBC (Single-board computer) card into the backplane with a 40G disk and
you'd have a nice modern machine - well except for the monitor.  But
I can imagine bringing that into a roomfull of laptops and watching
their users smirk until I fired it up and the lights dimmed...

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yeah, my father still try's to impress me with stories of punch cards and
such.  It's pretty funny.  The oldest computer I know of and still have is a
compaq "portable" computer.  It has the old 5 1/4" "floppy" drives and a
little tiny screen.  It's basically a suitcase, weighs about 40 pounds, the
bottom is the keyboard.  Kinda cool, I remember playing games on it as a kid
and thinking it was the most amazing thing.  Now it makes a good foot rest,
but that's about it:)
kk

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And just think about the PC being an advanced system for some of us.

Wait until we again start talking about using paper tapes and having to use
scotch tape to put them back together to run them through.  Or even the
older guys that talk about switch boards.  I am not as old as them.  My
computer days just go back to the mid 70's.


> I love this stuff(being a nerd wannabe), but I don't have a
> frickin clue
> what any of you are talking about:)
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RE: OT -- suggestions to ensure nerdiness in potential IT staff

2001-08-02 Thread Seley, Linda


One of those Compaqs was the first portable I took home from work 7 years
ago!  It sat in my basement until 3 years ago when I lugged it back - we
were moving and I didn't want to be responsible for it any more!  (Gosh, a
1200k modem?)

Same company that is *still* using PL/1 as it's mainframe programming
language and APL in the actuarial department.

Linda

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yeah, my father still try's to impress me with stories of punch cards and
such.  It's pretty funny.  The oldest computer I know of and still have is a
compaq "portable" computer.  It has the old 5 1/4" "floppy" drives and a
little tiny screen.  It's basically a suitcase, weighs about 40 pounds, the
bottom is the keyboard.  Kinda cool, I remember playing games on it as a kid
and thinking it was the most amazing thing.  Now it makes a good foot rest,
but that's about it:)
kk

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And just think about the PC being an advanced system for some of us.

Wait until we again start talking about using paper tapes and having to use
scotch tape to put them back together to run them through.  Or even the
older guys that talk about switch boards.  I am not as old as them.  My
computer days just go back to the mid 70's.


> I love this stuff(being a nerd wannabe), but I don't have a
> frickin clue
> what any of you are talking about:)
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young whippersnapper!  quiet down and let us old fogies reminisce :)


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>
>yeah, my father still try's to impress me with stories of punch cards and
>such.  It's pretty funny.  The oldest computer I know of and still have is 
>a
>compaq "portable" computer.  It has the old 5 1/4" "floppy" drives and a
>little tiny screen.  It's basically a suitcase, weighs about 40 pounds, the
>bottom is the keyboard.  Kinda cool, I remember playing games on it as a 
>kid
>and thinking it was the most amazing thing.  Now it makes a good foot rest,
>but that's about it:)
>kk
>
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>And just think about the PC being an advanced system for some of us.
>
>Wait until we again start talking about using paper tapes and having to use
>scotch tape to put them back together to run them through.  Or even the
>older guys that talk about switch boards.  I am not as old as them.  My
>computer days just go back to the mid 70's.
>
>
> > I love this stuff(being a nerd wannabe), but I don't have a
> > frickin clue
> > what any of you are talking about:)
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RE: OT -- suggestions to ensure nerdiness in potential IT staff

2001-08-02 Thread Norwood Bradly A


It was a magical box to a middle-aged me as well and looked much better than
my ugly metallic Kaypro.

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yeah, my father still try's to impress me with stories of punch cards and
such.  It's pretty funny.  The oldest computer I know of and still have is a
compaq "portable" computer.  It has the old 5 1/4" "floppy" drives and a
little tiny screen.  It's basically a suitcase, weighs about 40 pounds, the
bottom is the keyboard.  Kinda cool, I remember playing games on it as a kid
and thinking it was the most amazing thing.  Now it makes a good foot rest,
but that's about it:)
kk

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And just think about the PC being an advanced system for some of us.

Wait until we again start talking about using paper tapes and having to use
scotch tape to put them back together to run them through.  Or even the
older guys that talk about switch boards.  I am not as old as them.  My
computer days just go back to the mid 70's.


> I love this stuff(being a nerd wannabe), but I don't have a
> frickin clue
> what any of you are talking about:)
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RE: OT -- suggestions to ensure nerdiness in potential IT staff


Okay, who remembers "Fractured Fairy Tales" and the Professor and his boy 
Sherman?


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>And the question (still yet to be properly answered) is "How many licks 
>does
>it take to get to the center of a Tootsie Pop?"
>
>Very nice!!  I saw that all the time on my Saturdays watching Rocky and
>Bullwinkel, Tom and Jerry and my favorite, Bugs Bunny!!
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>Dave
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> > I remember a turtle, BUT he spoke to Mr. Owl, and the answer was 3.
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RE: OT -- suggestions to ensure nerdiness in potential IT staff

2001-08-02 Thread Vergara, Michael (TEM)


Hmmm...I had one of those old Compaq's, too.  I was a consultant at the
time, and my partner had an Osborne.  We'd be going from San Diego to
Savannah via DFW, and we'd have to strap those two monsters to a set
of luggage wheels and haul a** through the airport to make the connection.

You could have fun with that, y'know.  You could gut it and install a
SBC (Single-board computer) card into the backplane with a 40G disk and
you'd have a nice modern machine - well except for the monitor.  But
I can imagine bringing that into a roomfull of laptops and watching
their users smirk until I fired it up and the lights dimmed...

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yeah, my father still try's to impress me with stories of punch cards and
such.  It's pretty funny.  The oldest computer I know of and still have is a
compaq "portable" computer.  It has the old 5 1/4" "floppy" drives and a
little tiny screen.  It's basically a suitcase, weighs about 40 pounds, the
bottom is the keyboard.  Kinda cool, I remember playing games on it as a kid
and thinking it was the most amazing thing.  Now it makes a good foot rest,
but that's about it:)
kk

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To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L


And just think about the PC being an advanced system for some of us.

Wait until we again start talking about using paper tapes and having to use
scotch tape to put them back together to run them through.  Or even the
older guys that talk about switch boards.  I am not as old as them.  My
computer days just go back to the mid 70's.


> I love this stuff(being a nerd wannabe), but I don't have a
> frickin clue
> what any of you are talking about:)
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RE: OT -- suggestions to ensure nerdiness in potential IT

2001-08-02 Thread Arich Henneman


The cartridge that came with the 2600 was COMBAT.  It had a tank game
and a biplane game.  If they added another cartridge, it must have been
in the later years.  And the whole package cost $150

1) Who started Atari, what else did he start?
2) What Graphical computer preceeded the Mac?

CP/M Control Program for Microcomputers - It was the first big OS.
2.5 What was the first Big Time Word processor that eventually lost out
to Word?

3) What company made the first "Portable" (luggable) computers?

The first MAC (128K, 400K floppy) had no handle, I had one(still have
it)
4) What was "Special" about the inside of the Mac case?
5) Who wrote QDOS?

sigh, I agree, the good ol' daze




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On Thu, 2 Aug 2001,Boivin, Patrice J scribbled on the wall in glitter
crayon:

->Was CP/M the OS that Bill Gates bought just before making his big
deal with
->IBM?  Can't remember.
->
->Regards,
->Patrice Boivin
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->
->
AFAIK, no.  it was an OS from a small local company called QDOS [Quick
and
Dirty Operating System] if i'm not suffering from too much bit rot.

CP/M was the other OS in contention.

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Re: OT -- suggestions to ensure nerdiness in potential IT staff


Ah, but lack of knowledge seems to indicate that you have been worshipping a 
false god(dess).

so I will leave before being found out and suitably punished  :)



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>The Cult of the Goddess does not take divine abandonment lightly...
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>--Scott Shafer, High Priest
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