RE: BMC Patrol - 2nd Wave
Wow, you're absolutely right () -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2001 11:31 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L oh you silly person... it is ALWAYS the DBA's fault, whether or not it has to do with the database, whether or not the DBA was even employed by the company at the time of installation, whether or not the DBA had anything to do with it at all. Repeat after me: I'm wrong, I've always been wrong, I will always BE wrong. Let's move on from there :) From: Miller, Jay [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: BMC Patrol - 2nd Wave Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 13:51:09 -0800 One advantage to never having been consulted on whether it should be done and having consultants installing it is that it would be hard to blame me for anything that goes wrong :). -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2001 5:13 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L My experience is that BMC leaves a big footprint on the systems it monitors. So unless you have a system with 6+ cpu's the hogs reported are BMC related or the slow system is caused by BMC. And the $$ it costs, ouch. I have seen better results in shops using Big Brother ( http://bb4.com/ http://bb4.com/ ) or NetSaint ( http://netsaint.sourceforge.net/ http://netsaint.sourceforge.net/ ). Maybe Patrol works for some people. But my advise is to stay away so that when the project dies and they try to decide who is to blame for spending $$ on a POS you will not be within ear shot. That's just my opinion, I could be wrong. -Original Message- mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2001 1:03 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L So my boss calls me over yesterday and tells me he needs two servers for 2nd Wave to install BMC on to monitor the databases. I say, huh? Apparently the CIO decided to have a consulting company (2nd Wave) install and configure BMC to monitor all the databases (Oracle and SQL Server) in the company. I met with them briefly today (only because I asked to, it hadn't been deemed necessary before that) and I'll admit it doesn't look too bad so far, even if we already get all the information they provide (plus more) from various sql scripts and statspack. Does anyone have any gotchas, warnings, send out your resume NOW recommendations for working with the BMC Patrol product? Any experience with 2nd Wave? Thanks in advance! Jay Miller -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Miller, Jay INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Miller, Jay INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Rachel Carmichael INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Henry Poras INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send
RE: BMC Patrol - 2nd Wave
You haven't been a DBA too long have you? ... if you manage the db, you are responsible. period. at least that's the way it's been everywhere for me, but I could be wrong... -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2001 2:51 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L One advantage to never having been consulted on whether it should be done and having consultants installing it is that it would be hard to blame me for anything that goes wrong :). -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2001 5:13 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L My experience is that BMC leaves a big footprint on the systems it monitors. So unless you have a system with 6+ cpu's the hogs reported are BMC related or the slow system is caused by BMC. And the $$ it costs, ouch. I have seen better results in shops using Big Brother ( http://bb4.com/ http://bb4.com/ ) or NetSaint ( http://netsaint.sourceforge.net/ http://netsaint.sourceforge.net/ ). Maybe Patrol works for some people. But my advise is to stay away so that when the project dies and they try to decide who is to blame for spending $$ on a POS you will not be within ear shot. That's just my opinion, I could be wrong. -Original Message- mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2001 1:03 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L So my boss calls me over yesterday and tells me he needs two servers for 2nd Wave to install BMC on to monitor the databases. I say, huh? Apparently the CIO decided to have a consulting company (2nd Wave) install and configure BMC to monitor all the databases (Oracle and SQL Server) in the company. I met with them briefly today (only because I asked to, it hadn't been deemed necessary before that) and I'll admit it doesn't look too bad so far, even if we already get all the information they provide (plus more) from various sql scripts and statspack. Does anyone have any gotchas, warnings, send out your resume NOW recommendations for working with the BMC Patrol product? Any experience with 2nd Wave? Thanks in advance! Jay Miller -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Miller, Jay INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Miller, Jay INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Glenn Travis INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: BMC Patrol - 2nd Wave
Title: RE: BMC Patrol - 2nd Wave My experience is that BMC leaves a big footprint on the systems it monitors. So unless you have a system with 6+ cpu's the hogs reported are BMC related or the slow system is caused by BMC. And the $$ it costs, ouch. I have seen better results in shops using Big Brother (http://bb4.com/) or NetSaint (http://netsaint.sourceforge.net/). Maybe Patrol works for some people. But my advise is to stay away so that when the project dies and they try to decide who is to blame for spending $$ on a POS you will not be within ear shot. That's just my opinion, I could be wrong. -Original Message- From: Miller, Jay [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2001 1:03 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: BMC Patrol - 2nd Wave So my boss calls me over yesterday and tells me he needs two servers for 2nd Wave to install BMC on to monitor the databases. I say, huh? Apparently the CIO decided to have a consulting company (2nd Wave) install and configure BMC to monitor all the databases (Oracle and SQL Server) in the company. I met with them briefly today (only because I asked to, it hadn't been deemed necessary before that) and I'll admit it doesn't look too bad so far, even if we already get all the information they provide (plus more) from various sql scripts and statspack. Does anyone have any gotchas, warnings, send out your resume NOW recommendations for working with the BMC Patrol product? Any experience with 2nd Wave? Thanks in advance! Jay Miller -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Miller, Jay INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services -- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California -- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: BMC Patrol - 2nd Wave
Jay, Not sure about you, but if my CIO pulled that one on me, he'd have my resignation in about half a minute he knows it. That is just one of those run all over your people things that every management course tells you NOT to do. Otherwise I don't know of any real problems with BMC stuff. Dick Goulet -- Reply Separator -- Author: Miller; Jay [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 5/16/01 12:03 PM So my boss calls me over yesterday and tells me he needs two servers for 2nd Wave to install BMC on to monitor the databases. I say, huh? Apparently the CIO decided to have a consulting company (2nd Wave) install and configure BMC to monitor all the databases (Oracle and SQL Server) in the company. I met with them briefly today (only because I asked to, it hadn't been deemed necessary before that) and I'll admit it doesn't look too bad so far, even if we already get all the information they provide (plus more) from various sql scripts and statspack. Does anyone have any gotchas, warnings, send out your resume NOW recommendations for working with the BMC Patrol product? Any experience with 2nd Wave? Thanks in advance! Jay Miller -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Miller, Jay INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: BMC Patrol - 2nd Wave
One advantage to never having been consulted on whether it should be done and having consultants installing it is that it would be hard to blame me for anything that goes wrong :). -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2001 5:13 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L My experience is that BMC leaves a big footprint on the systems it monitors. So unless you have a system with 6+ cpu's the hogs reported are BMC related or the slow system is caused by BMC. And the $$ it costs, ouch. I have seen better results in shops using Big Brother ( http://bb4.com/ http://bb4.com/ ) or NetSaint ( http://netsaint.sourceforge.net/ http://netsaint.sourceforge.net/ ). Maybe Patrol works for some people. But my advise is to stay away so that when the project dies and they try to decide who is to blame for spending $$ on a POS you will not be within ear shot. That's just my opinion, I could be wrong. -Original Message- mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2001 1:03 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L So my boss calls me over yesterday and tells me he needs two servers for 2nd Wave to install BMC on to monitor the databases. I say, huh? Apparently the CIO decided to have a consulting company (2nd Wave) install and configure BMC to monitor all the databases (Oracle and SQL Server) in the company. I met with them briefly today (only because I asked to, it hadn't been deemed necessary before that) and I'll admit it doesn't look too bad so far, even if we already get all the information they provide (plus more) from various sql scripts and statspack. Does anyone have any gotchas, warnings, send out your resume NOW recommendations for working with the BMC Patrol product? Any experience with 2nd Wave? Thanks in advance! Jay Miller -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Miller, Jay INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Miller, Jay INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
