RE: dual

2003-10-30 Thread AdamDonahue
Refer to 

http://asktom.oracle.com/pls/ask/f?p=4950:8:5481819534388360937::NO::F4950_P8_DISPLAYID,F4950_P8_CRITERIA:1562813956388,

for the answers to some of your questions below.  I think it's safe to say 
that DUAL is a rather 'magic' table.  The normal rules for DML don't work 
on it; I'd not even posit that 'rownum < 1' is in there anywhere.  More 
likely it's intercepted by the optimizer and treated specially, without 
any actual data access, in certain contexts.

Adam




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I encountered the same problem once many years ago, for the same reason. 

Quite a pickle for a newbie - OWW bailed me out on that one.  :) 

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I have observed  2 rows in dual till version 7.3.4. All application using 
dual in their logic having more than 2 rows were giving wrong results. 
Quick 
fix was to track it and delete more than one row(s).  Duplicate import of 
sys/system stuff were known to be culprit.

Regards
Rafiq




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I have seen many databases crash, yes crash, when dual had more than one 
row
or less than one?

Why you say?  As someone pointed out, this was an internal table to the
kernel so Oracle used it as they felt.  It was and still is considered a
heartbeat mechanism within the kernel.  In other words, don't mess with 
it.

Thank You

Stephen P. Karniotis
Technical Alliance Manager
Compuware Corporation
Direct:  (313) 227-4350
Mobile: (248) 408-2918
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Do you think it will work if it has no rows ?

Waleed
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You may find this interesting.

Looks like a 'where rownum = 1' is always imposed on dual.

Same results on 8.1.7.4 and 9.2.0.4

Don't try this on anything other than a trashable test database.

Jared

===

10:42:04 dv03>@dt
10:42:05 dv03>
10:42:05 dv03>set echo on
10:42:05 dv03>
10:42:05 dv03>create table jkstill.dual as select * from sys.dual;

Table created.

10:42:05 dv03>
10:42:05 dv03>select * from jkstill.dual;

D
-
X

1 row selected.

10:42:05 dv03>
10:42:05 dv03>drop table jkstill.dual;

Table dropped.

10:42:05 dv03>
10:42:05 dv03>insert into sys.dual values('Y');

1 row created.

10:42:05 dv03>insert into sys.dual values('Z');

1 row created.

10:42:05 dv03>
10:42:05 dv03>commit;

Commit complete.

10:42:05 dv03>
10:42:05 dv03>select * from sys.dual;

D
-
X

1 row selected.

10:42:05 dv03>
10:42:05 dv03>create table jkstill.dual as select * from sys.dual;

Table created.

10:42:05 dv03>
10:42:05 dv03>select * from jkstill.dual;

D
-
X
Y
Z

3 rows selected.

10:42:05 dv03>
10:42:05 dv03>drop table jkstill.dual;

Table dropped.

10:42:05 dv03>
10:42:05 dv03>delete from sys.dual;

1 row deleted.

10:42:05 dv03>delete from sys.dual;

1 row deleted.

10:42:05 dv03>delete from sys.dual;

1 row deleted.

10:42:05 dv03>
10:42:05 dv03>insert into sys.dual values('X');

1 row created.

10:42:05 dv03>commit;

Commit complete.

10:42:05 dv03>
10:42:05 dv03>
10:42:05 dv03>create table jkstill.dual as select * from sys.dual;

Table created.

10:42:05 dv03>
10:42:05 dv03>select * from jkstill.dual;

D
-
X

1 row selected.

10:42:05 dv03>
10:42:05 dv03>drop table jkstill.dual;

Table dropped.

10:42:05 dv03>






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List, here is a rtfm question which I was scared to ask, but its
bothering me too much so I just can't stay quite :

"why do multiple inserts into sys.dual complete sucessfully when connected
as
sysdba, but a subsequent select * from dual show only 1 row ?"


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RE: dual

2003-10-30 Thread Jared . Still

I encountered the same problem once many years ago, for the same reason.

Quite a pickle for a newbie - OWW bailed me out on that one.  :)

Jraed








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I have observed  2 rows in dual till version 7.3.4. All application using 
dual in their logic having more than 2 rows were giving wrong results. Quick 
fix was to track it and delete more than one row(s).  Duplicate import of 
sys/system stuff were known to be culprit.

Regards
Rafiq




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I have seen many databases crash, yes crash, when dual had more than one row
or less than one?

Why you say?  As someone pointed out, this was an internal table to the
kernel so Oracle used it as they felt.  It was and still is considered a
heartbeat mechanism within the kernel.  In other words, don't mess with it.

Thank You

Stephen P. Karniotis
Technical Alliance Manager
Compuware Corporation
Direct:          (313) 227-4350
Mobile:         (248) 408-2918
Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Do you think it will work if it has no rows ?

Waleed
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You may find this interesting.

Looks like a 'where rownum = 1' is always imposed on dual.

Same results on 8.1.7.4 and 9.2.0.4

Don't try this on anything other than a trashable test database.

Jared

===

10:42:04 dv03>@dt
10:42:05 dv03>
10:42:05 dv03>set echo on
10:42:05 dv03>
10:42:05 dv03>create table jkstill.dual as select * from sys.dual;

Table created.

10:42:05 dv03>
10:42:05 dv03>select * from jkstill.dual;

D
-
X

1 row selected.

10:42:05 dv03>
10:42:05 dv03>drop table jkstill.dual;

Table dropped.

10:42:05 dv03>
10:42:05 dv03>insert into sys.dual values('Y');

1 row created.

10:42:05 dv03>insert into sys.dual values('Z');

1 row created.

10:42:05 dv03>
10:42:05 dv03>commit;

Commit complete.

10:42:05 dv03>
10:42:05 dv03>select * from sys.dual;

D
-
X

1 row selected.

10:42:05 dv03>
10:42:05 dv03>create table jkstill.dual as select * from sys.dual;

Table created.

10:42:05 dv03>
10:42:05 dv03>select * from jkstill.dual;

D
-
X
Y
Z

3 rows selected.

10:42:05 dv03>
10:42:05 dv03>drop table jkstill.dual;

Table dropped.

10:42:05 dv03>
10:42:05 dv03>delete from sys.dual;

1 row deleted.

10:42:05 dv03>delete from sys.dual;

1 row deleted.

10:42:05 dv03>delete from sys.dual;

1 row deleted.

10:42:05 dv03>
10:42:05 dv03>insert into sys.dual values('X');

1 row created.

10:42:05 dv03>commit;

Commit complete.

10:42:05 dv03>
10:42:05 dv03>
10:42:05 dv03>create table jkstill.dual as select * from sys.dual;

Table created.

10:42:05 dv03>
10:42:05 dv03>select * from jkstill.dual;

D
-
X

1 row selected.

10:42:05 dv03>
10:42:05 dv03>drop table jkstill.dual;

Table dropped.

10:42:05 dv03>






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List, here is a rtfm question which I was scared to ask, but its
bothering me too much so I just can't stay quite :

"why do multiple inserts into sys.dual complete sucessfully when connected
as
sysdba, but a subsequent select * from dual show only 1 row ?"


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RE: dual

2003-10-30 Thread Thater, William



 

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  Didn't try no rows.  I imagine all 
  kinds of things would break. [Shrek] 
  yes 
  they will... trust me.  you really don't want to go 
  there.
   
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RE: dual

2003-10-30 Thread M Rafiq
I have observed  2 rows in dual till version 7.3.4. All application using 
dual in their logic having more than 2 rows were giving wrong results. Quick 
fix was to track it and delete more than one row(s).  Duplicate import of 
sys/system stuff were known to be culprit.

Regards
Rafiq


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I have seen many databases crash, yes crash, when dual had more than one row
or less than one?
Why you say?  As someone pointed out, this was an internal table to the
kernel so Oracle used it as they felt.  It was and still is considered a
heartbeat mechanism within the kernel.  In other words, don't mess with it.
Thank You

Stephen P. Karniotis
Technical Alliance Manager
Compuware Corporation
Direct:  (313) 227-4350
Mobile: (248) 408-2918
Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Do you think it will work if it has no rows ?

Waleed
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You may find this interesting.

Looks like a 'where rownum = 1' is always imposed on dual.

Same results on 8.1.7.4 and 9.2.0.4

Don't try this on anything other than a trashable test database.

Jared

===

10:42:04 dv03>@dt
10:42:05 dv03>
10:42:05 dv03>set echo on
10:42:05 dv03>
10:42:05 dv03>create table jkstill.dual as select * from sys.dual;
Table created.

10:42:05 dv03>
10:42:05 dv03>select * from jkstill.dual;
D
-
X
1 row selected.

10:42:05 dv03>
10:42:05 dv03>drop table jkstill.dual;
Table dropped.

10:42:05 dv03>
10:42:05 dv03>insert into sys.dual values('Y');
1 row created.

10:42:05 dv03>insert into sys.dual values('Z');

1 row created.

10:42:05 dv03>
10:42:05 dv03>commit;
Commit complete.

10:42:05 dv03>
10:42:05 dv03>select * from sys.dual;
D
-
X
1 row selected.

10:42:05 dv03>
10:42:05 dv03>create table jkstill.dual as select * from sys.dual;
Table created.

10:42:05 dv03>
10:42:05 dv03>select * from jkstill.dual;
D
-
X
Y
Z
3 rows selected.

10:42:05 dv03>
10:42:05 dv03>drop table jkstill.dual;
Table dropped.

10:42:05 dv03>
10:42:05 dv03>delete from sys.dual;
1 row deleted.

10:42:05 dv03>delete from sys.dual;

1 row deleted.

10:42:05 dv03>delete from sys.dual;

1 row deleted.

10:42:05 dv03>
10:42:05 dv03>insert into sys.dual values('X');
1 row created.

10:42:05 dv03>commit;

Commit complete.

10:42:05 dv03>
10:42:05 dv03>
10:42:05 dv03>create table jkstill.dual as select * from sys.dual;
Table created.

10:42:05 dv03>
10:42:05 dv03>select * from jkstill.dual;
D
-
X
1 row selected.

10:42:05 dv03>
10:42:05 dv03>drop table jkstill.dual;
Table dropped.

10:42:05 dv03>





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"why do multiple inserts into sys.dual complete sucessfully when connected
as
sysdba, but a subsequent select * from dual show only 1 row ?"
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Re: dual

2003-10-30 Thread bulbultyagi
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> It's because we designed it that way.  In earlier releases (can't remember
> the specific version we brought this in with), you could put more than one
> row in DUAL and then select them all, but all the things that should have
> returned only one row then failed with a 1403 (?) error - single row query
> returning more than one row.  I remember well way way back in time before
I
> joined Oracle having the fun of trying to debug why all our clients apps
> failed the night after we let a "manager" do the database maintenance.
The
> forms that the apps used all included the date and time on the screen, and
> of course the "manager" had somehow ended up with two rows in DUAL, hence
> the failure.  Very simple to address, by just deleting the extra row (and
of
> course, never letting that manager do database maintenance again!).
>
> In due course, Oracle realized that DUAL was a special table and built
into
> the kernel the functionality you mention to ensure that only one row is
ever
> returned and hence those types of problems should not occur any more.
>
> Pete
> "Controlling developers is like herding cats."
> Kevin Loney, Oracle DBA Handbook
> "Oh no, it's not.  It's much harder than that!"
> Bruce Pihlamae, long-term Oracle DBA
>
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> "why do multiple inserts into sys.dual complete sucessfully when connected
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RE: dual

2003-10-30 Thread Jared . Still

Didn't try no rows.  I imagine all kinds of things would break.








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Do you think it will work if it has no rows ?
 
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You may find this interesting. 

Looks like a 'where rownum = 1' is always imposed on dual. 

Same results on 8.1.7.4 and 9.2.0.4 

Don't try this on anything other than a trashable test database. 

Jared 

=== 

10:42:04 dv03>@dt 
10:42:05 dv03> 
10:42:05 dv03>set echo on 
10:42:05 dv03> 
10:42:05 dv03>create table jkstill.dual as select * from sys.dual; 

Table created. 

10:42:05 dv03> 
10:42:05 dv03>select * from jkstill.dual; 

D 
- 
X 

1 row selected. 

10:42:05 dv03> 
10:42:05 dv03>drop table jkstill.dual; 

Table dropped. 

10:42:05 dv03> 
10:42:05 dv03>insert into sys.dual values('Y'); 

1 row created. 

10:42:05 dv03>insert into sys.dual values('Z'); 

1 row created. 

10:42:05 dv03> 
10:42:05 dv03>commit; 

Commit complete. 

10:42:05 dv03> 
10:42:05 dv03>select * from sys.dual; 

D 
- 
X 

1 row selected. 

10:42:05 dv03> 
10:42:05 dv03>create table jkstill.dual as select * from sys.dual; 

Table created. 

10:42:05 dv03> 
10:42:05 dv03>select * from jkstill.dual; 

D 
- 
X 
Y 
Z 

3 rows selected. 

10:42:05 dv03> 
10:42:05 dv03>drop table jkstill.dual; 

Table dropped. 

10:42:05 dv03> 
10:42:05 dv03>delete from sys.dual; 

1 row deleted. 

10:42:05 dv03>delete from sys.dual; 

1 row deleted. 

10:42:05 dv03>delete from sys.dual; 

1 row deleted. 

10:42:05 dv03> 
10:42:05 dv03>insert into sys.dual values('X'); 

1 row created. 

10:42:05 dv03>commit; 

Commit complete. 

10:42:05 dv03> 
10:42:05 dv03> 
10:42:05 dv03>create table jkstill.dual as select * from sys.dual; 

Table created. 

10:42:05 dv03> 
10:42:05 dv03>select * from jkstill.dual; 

D 
- 
X 

1 row selected. 

10:42:05 dv03> 
10:42:05 dv03>drop table jkstill.dual; 

Table dropped. 

10:42:05 dv03> 







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sysdba, but a subsequent select * from dual show only 1 row ?"


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RE: dual

2003-10-30 Thread Karniotis, Stephen









I have seen many databases crash, yes crash, when
dual had more than one row or less than one?  

 

Why you say? 
As someone pointed out, this was an internal table to the kernel so
Oracle used it as they felt.  It
was and still is considered a heartbeat mechanism within the kernel.  In other words, don’t mess with it.

 

Thank You

 

Stephen
P. Karniotis

Technical Alliance Manager

Compuware Corporation

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Do you think
it will work if it has no rows ?

 

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You may find this interesting. 

Looks like a 'where rownum = 1' is
always imposed on dual.


Same results on 8.1.7.4 and 9.2.0.4 

Don't try this on anything other
than a trashable test database. 

Jared 

=== 

10:42:04 dv03>@dt 
10:42:05 dv03> 
10:42:05 dv03>set echo on 
10:42:05 dv03> 
10:42:05 dv03>create table
jkstill.dual as select * from sys.dual; 

Table created. 

10:42:05 dv03> 
10:42:05 dv03>select * from
jkstill.dual; 

D 
- 
X 

1 row selected. 

10:42:05 dv03> 
10:42:05 dv03>drop table
jkstill.dual; 

Table dropped. 

10:42:05 dv03> 
10:42:05 dv03>insert into
sys.dual values('Y');


1 row created. 

10:42:05 dv03>insert into
sys.dual values('Z');


1 row created. 

10:42:05 dv03> 
10:42:05 dv03>commit; 

Commit complete. 

10:42:05 dv03> 
10:42:05 dv03>select * from
sys.dual; 

D 
- 
X 

1 row selected. 

10:42:05 dv03> 
10:42:05 dv03>create table
jkstill.dual as select * from sys.dual; 

Table created. 

10:42:05 dv03> 
10:42:05 dv03>select * from
jkstill.dual; 

D 
- 
X 
Y 
Z 

3 rows selected. 

10:42:05 dv03> 
10:42:05 dv03>drop table
jkstill.dual; 

Table dropped. 

10:42:05 dv03> 
10:42:05 dv03>delete from
sys.dual; 

1 row deleted. 

10:42:05 dv03>delete from
sys.dual; 

1 row deleted. 

10:42:05 dv03>delete from
sys.dual; 

1 row deleted. 

10:42:05 dv03> 
10:42:05 dv03>insert into
sys.dual values('X');


1 row created. 

10:42:05 dv03>commit; 

Commit complete. 

10:42:05 dv03> 
10:42:05 dv03> 
10:42:05 dv03>create table
jkstill.dual as select * from sys.dual; 

Table created. 

10:42:05 dv03> 
10:42:05 dv03>select * from
jkstill.dual; 

D 
- 
X 

1 row selected. 

10:42:05 dv03> 
10:42:05 dv03>drop table
jkstill.dual; 

Table dropped. 

10:42:05 dv03> 






 
  
   
  
  
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RE: dual

2003-10-30 Thread Khedr, Waleed



Do you think it 
will work if it has no rows ?
 
Waleed

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  Re: dualYou may find 
  this interesting. Looks like a 
  'where rownum = 1' is always imposed on dual. Same results on 8.1.7.4 and 9.2.0.4 
  Don't try this on anything other than a 
  trashable test database. Jared === 10:42:04 dv03>@dt 10:42:05 dv03> 10:42:05 
  dv03>set echo on 10:42:05 
  dv03> 10:42:05 dv03>create table 
  jkstill.dual as select * from sys.dual; Table created. 10:42:05 
  dv03> 10:42:05 dv03>select * 
  from jkstill.dual; D 
  - X 1 row selected. 
  10:42:05 dv03> 10:42:05 dv03>drop table jkstill.dual; 
  Table dropped. 10:42:05 dv03> 10:42:05 dv03>insert into sys.dual values('Y'); 1 row created. 10:42:05 dv03>insert into sys.dual values('Z'); 1 row created. 10:42:05 dv03> 10:42:05 
  dv03>commit; Commit 
  complete. 10:42:05 dv03> 
  10:42:05 dv03>select * from 
  sys.dual; D - X 
  1 row selected. 10:42:05 dv03> 10:42:05 dv03>create table jkstill.dual as select * from 
  sys.dual; Table created. 
  10:42:05 dv03> 10:42:05 dv03>select * from jkstill.dual; 
  D - X Y Z 
  3 rows selected. 10:42:05 dv03> 10:42:05 dv03>drop table jkstill.dual; Table dropped. 10:42:05 dv03> 10:42:05 
  dv03>delete from sys.dual; 1 
  row deleted. 10:42:05 
  dv03>delete from sys.dual; 1 
  row deleted. 10:42:05 
  dv03>delete from sys.dual; 1 
  row deleted. 10:42:05 
  dv03> 10:42:05 dv03>insert into 
  sys.dual values('X'); 1 row 
  created. 10:42:05 
  dv03>commit; Commit 
  complete. 10:42:05 dv03> 
  10:42:05 dv03> 10:42:05 dv03>create table jkstill.dual as select * 
  from sys.dual; Table 
  created. 10:42:05 dv03> 
  10:42:05 dv03>select * from 
  jkstill.dual; D - X 
  1 row selected. 10:42:05 dv03> 10:42:05 dv03>drop table jkstill.dual; Table dropped. 10:42:05 dv03> 
  


  
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Re: dual

2003-10-30 Thread Jared . Still

You may find this interesting.

Looks like a 'where rownum = 1' is always imposed on dual.

Same results on 8.1.7.4 and 9.2.0.4

Don't try this on anything other than a trashable test database.

Jared

===

10:42:04 dv03>@dt
10:42:05 dv03>
10:42:05 dv03>set echo on
10:42:05 dv03>
10:42:05 dv03>create table jkstill.dual as select * from sys.dual;

Table created.

10:42:05 dv03>
10:42:05 dv03>select * from jkstill.dual;

D
-
X

1 row selected.

10:42:05 dv03>
10:42:05 dv03>drop table jkstill.dual;

Table dropped.

10:42:05 dv03>
10:42:05 dv03>insert into sys.dual values('Y');

1 row created.

10:42:05 dv03>insert into sys.dual values('Z');

1 row created.

10:42:05 dv03>
10:42:05 dv03>commit;

Commit complete.

10:42:05 dv03>
10:42:05 dv03>select * from sys.dual;

D
-
X

1 row selected.

10:42:05 dv03>
10:42:05 dv03>create table jkstill.dual as select * from sys.dual;

Table created.

10:42:05 dv03>
10:42:05 dv03>select * from jkstill.dual;

D
-
X
Y
Z

3 rows selected.

10:42:05 dv03>
10:42:05 dv03>drop table jkstill.dual;

Table dropped.

10:42:05 dv03>
10:42:05 dv03>delete from sys.dual;

1 row deleted.

10:42:05 dv03>delete from sys.dual;

1 row deleted.

10:42:05 dv03>delete from sys.dual;

1 row deleted.

10:42:05 dv03>
10:42:05 dv03>insert into sys.dual values('X');

1 row created.

10:42:05 dv03>commit;

Commit complete.

10:42:05 dv03>
10:42:05 dv03>
10:42:05 dv03>create table jkstill.dual as select * from sys.dual;

Table created.

10:42:05 dv03>
10:42:05 dv03>select * from jkstill.dual;

D
-
X

1 row selected.

10:42:05 dv03>
10:42:05 dv03>drop table jkstill.dual;

Table dropped.

10:42:05 dv03>








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"why do multiple inserts into sys.dual complete sucessfully when connected
as
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RE: dual

2003-10-30 Thread Pete Sharman
It's because we designed it that way.  In earlier releases (can't remember
the specific version we brought this in with), you could put more than one
row in DUAL and then select them all, but all the things that should have
returned only one row then failed with a 1403 (?) error - single row query
returning more than one row.  I remember well way way back in time before I
joined Oracle having the fun of trying to debug why all our clients apps
failed the night after we let a "manager" do the database maintenance.  The
forms that the apps used all included the date and time on the screen, and
of course the "manager" had somehow ended up with two rows in DUAL, hence
the failure.  Very simple to address, by just deleting the extra row (and of
course, never letting that manager do database maintenance again!).

In due course, Oracle realized that DUAL was a special table and built into
the kernel the functionality you mention to ensure that only one row is ever
returned and hence those types of problems should not occur any more.

Pete
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List, here is a rtfm question which I was scared to ask, but its bothering
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"why do multiple inserts into sys.dual complete sucessfully when connected
as sysdba, but a subsequent select * from dual show only 1 row ?"


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RE: dual

2003-10-30 Thread Karniotis, Stephen
If you did not commit the inserts to dual, then everyone will only see one
row.

If you committed the data and still one row appeared, then you must have a
row defined for dual.  

Suggestion:  Don't add more rows to dual if you value your dba life.

Thank You

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"why do multiple inserts into sys.dual complete sucessfully when connected
as
sysdba, but a subsequent select * from dual show only 1 row ?"


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RE: DUAL

2002-12-17 Thread Fink, Dan
It also improves your BCHR!

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That's a good idea.  You ought to suggest them to put it in.

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Those guys retired... ;) 

They ought to put that stuff in that RDA script :) 

- Kirti 


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I remember when you had a weird application problem, one of the
first thing Oracle support ask you to check is the dual table to
see if it's got more than one row in it.
Don't know if they are still doing that.

Richard Ji

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I've seen that when I was a developper ...using 
Oracle 6/vax vms and Sql*Forms 2.3.

There was 2 rows in dual.

Since dual was heavily used when programming in
Forms2.3, it cause a big problem as no users were able
to log in (the menu was using dual). It was in the
stock exchange department of a big bank. Poor dba ...


 --- Yechiel Adar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> a écrit : >
RE: DUALSo listen up: For better April 1'st - add
> another record to dual. That is known to cause a
> deteriorating effect on developers.
> 
> :-)
> 
> Yechiel Adar
> Mehish
>   - Original Message - 
>   From: Jeremy Pulcifer 
>   To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L 
>   Sent: Monday, December 16, 2002 6:29 PM
>   Subject: RE: DUAL
> 
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>   Careful. We are listening. 
> 
>   ;-) 
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>   (that woulda messed me up for a while) 
> 
>   > -Original Message- 
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>   > 
>   > Thanks for the great suggestion! 
>   > I will remember to use that one when 
>   > those developers start getting too lippy ;-) 
>   > 
>   > Babette 
>   > -Original Message- 
>   > Richard 
>   > Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2002 4:14 PM 
>   > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L 
>   > 
>   > 
>   > Howdy, 
>   > 
>   > I believe that truncating DUAL has also been
> known to leave developers 
>   > scratching their head.  Of course I could never
> recommend 
>   > that anyone try 
>   > it though. 
>   > 
>   > 
>   > 
>   > 
>   > "Farnsworth, Dave" 
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Re: DUAL

2002-12-17 Thread Jared . Still
The same thing happened to me as well.

There were 2 rows in dual, and it caused some really
strange problems with Oracle Financials. 

The support tech and Oracle knew his stuff, and had
me check it.  I have no idea how 2 rows came to be
in dual, but it sure was a mess.

Jared





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I've seen that when I was a developper ...using 
Oracle 6/vax vms and Sql*Forms 2.3.

There was 2 rows in dual.

Since dual was heavily used when programming in
Forms2.3, it cause a big problem as no users were able
to log in (the menu was using dual). It was in the
stock exchange department of a big bank. Poor dba ...


 --- Yechiel Adar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> a écrit : >
RE: DUALSo listen up: For better April 1'st - add
> another record to dual. That is known to cause a
> deteriorating effect on developers.
> 
> :-)
> 
> Yechiel Adar
> Mehish
>   - Original Message - 
>   From: Jeremy Pulcifer 
>   To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L 
>   Sent: Monday, December 16, 2002 6:29 PM
>   Subject: RE: DUAL
> 
> 
>   Careful. We are listening. 
> 
>   ;-) 
> 
>   (that woulda messed me up for a while) 
> 
>   > -Original Message- 
>   > From: Babette Turner-Underwood
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
>   > Sent: Friday, December 13, 2002 12:04 PM 
>   > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L 
>   > Subject: RE: DUAL 
>   > 
>   > 
>   > Thanks for the great suggestion! 
>   > I will remember to use that one when 
>   > those developers start getting too lippy ;-) 
>   > 
>   > Babette 
>   > -Original Message- 
>   > Richard 
>   > Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2002 4:14 PM 
>   > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L 
>   > 
>   > 
>   > Howdy, 
>   > 
>   > I believe that truncating DUAL has also been
> known to leave developers 
>   > scratching their head.  Of course I could never
> recommend 
>   > that anyone try 
>   > it though. 
>   > 
>   > 
>   > 
>   > 
>   > "Farnsworth, Dave" 
>   >   To: Multiple 
>   > recipients of list ORACLE-L
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>   > 
>   > 
>   > Hallo, 
>   > 
>   > Problems with dual, please read link 
>   > 
>   >
>
http://searchdatabase.techtarget.com/tip/0,289483,sid13_gci831
> 
>   > 497,00.html 
>   > 
>   > TIA, 
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RE: DUAL

2002-12-17 Thread Richard Ji
That's a good idea.  You ought to suggest them to put it in.

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Those guys retired... ;) 

They ought to put that stuff in that RDA script :) 

- Kirti 


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I remember when you had a weird application problem, one of the
first thing Oracle support ask you to check is the dual table to
see if it's got more than one row in it.
Don't know if they are still doing that.

Richard Ji

-Original Message-
Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2002 1:26 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L


I've seen that when I was a developper ...using 
Oracle 6/vax vms and Sql*Forms 2.3.

There was 2 rows in dual.

Since dual was heavily used when programming in
Forms2.3, it cause a big problem as no users were able
to log in (the menu was using dual). It was in the
stock exchange department of a big bank. Poor dba ...


 --- Yechiel Adar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> a écrit : >
RE: DUALSo listen up: For better April 1'st - add
> another record to dual. That is known to cause a
> deteriorating effect on developers.
> 
> :-)
> 
> Yechiel Adar
> Mehish
>   - Original Message - 
>   From: Jeremy Pulcifer 
>   To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L 
>   Sent: Monday, December 16, 2002 6:29 PM
>   Subject: RE: DUAL
> 
> 
>   Careful. We are listening. 
> 
>   ;-) 
> 
>   (that woulda messed me up for a while) 
> 
>   > -Original Message- 
>   > From: Babette Turner-Underwood
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
>   > Sent: Friday, December 13, 2002 12:04 PM 
>   > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L 
>   > Subject: RE: DUAL 
>   > 
>   > 
>   > Thanks for the great suggestion! 
>   > I will remember to use that one when 
>   > those developers start getting too lippy ;-) 
>   > 
>   > Babette 
>   > -Original Message- 
>   > Richard 
>   > Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2002 4:14 PM 
>   > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L 
>   > 
>   > 
>   > Howdy, 
>   > 
>   > I believe that truncating DUAL has also been
> known to leave developers 
>   > scratching their head.  Of course I could never
> recommend 
>   > that anyone try 
>   > it though. 
>   > 
>   > 
>   > 
>   > 
>   > "Farnsworth, Dave" 
>   >   To: Multiple 
>   > recipients of list ORACLE-L
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
>   > iture.com>  
>  cc: 
>   > Sent by:
>  Subject: DUAL 
>   > [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
>   > 
>   > 
>   > 13/12/2002 05:14 
>   > Please respond to 
>   > ORACLE-L 
>   > 
>   > 
>   > 
>   > 
>   > 
>   > 
>   > Hallo, 
>   > 
>   > Problems with dual, please read link 
>   > 
>   >
>


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RE: DUAL

2002-12-17 Thread Deshpande, Kirti
Those guys retired... ;) 

They ought to put that stuff in that RDA script :) 

- Kirti 


-Original Message-
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To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L


I remember when you had a weird application problem, one of the
first thing Oracle support ask you to check is the dual table to
see if it's got more than one row in it.
Don't know if they are still doing that.

Richard Ji

-Original Message-
Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2002 1:26 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L


I've seen that when I was a developper ...using 
Oracle 6/vax vms and Sql*Forms 2.3.

There was 2 rows in dual.

Since dual was heavily used when programming in
Forms2.3, it cause a big problem as no users were able
to log in (the menu was using dual). It was in the
stock exchange department of a big bank. Poor dba ...


 --- Yechiel Adar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> a écrit : >
RE: DUALSo listen up: For better April 1'st - add
> another record to dual. That is known to cause a
> deteriorating effect on developers.
> 
> :-)
> 
> Yechiel Adar
> Mehish
>   - Original Message - 
>   From: Jeremy Pulcifer 
>   To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L 
>   Sent: Monday, December 16, 2002 6:29 PM
>   Subject: RE: DUAL
> 
> 
>   Careful. We are listening. 
> 
>   ;-) 
> 
>   (that woulda messed me up for a while) 
> 
>   > -Original Message- 
>   > From: Babette Turner-Underwood
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
>   > Sent: Friday, December 13, 2002 12:04 PM 
>   > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L 
>   > Subject: RE: DUAL 
>   > 
>   > 
>   > Thanks for the great suggestion! 
>   > I will remember to use that one when 
>   > those developers start getting too lippy ;-) 
>   > 
>   > Babette 
>   > -Original Message- 
>   > Richard 
>   > Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2002 4:14 PM 
>   > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L 
>   > 
>   > 
>   > Howdy, 
>   > 
>   > I believe that truncating DUAL has also been
> known to leave developers 
>   > scratching their head.  Of course I could never
> recommend 
>   > that anyone try 
>   > it though. 
>   > 
>   > 
>   > 
>   > 
>   > "Farnsworth, Dave" 
>   >   To: Multiple 
>   > recipients of list ORACLE-L
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
>   > iture.com>  
>  cc: 
>   > Sent by:
>  Subject: DUAL 
>   > [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
>   > 
>   > 
>   > 13/12/2002 05:14 
>   > Please respond to 
>   > ORACLE-L 
>   > 
>   > 
>   > 
>   > 
>   > 
>   > 
>   > Hallo, 
>   > 
>   > Problems with dual, please read link 
>   > 
>   >
>


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RE: DUAL

2002-12-17 Thread Richard Ji
I remember when you had a weird application problem, one of the
first thing Oracle support ask you to check is the dual table to
see if it's got more than one row in it.
Don't know if they are still doing that.

Richard Ji

-Original Message-
Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2002 1:26 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L


I've seen that when I was a developper ...using 
Oracle 6/vax vms and Sql*Forms 2.3.

There was 2 rows in dual.

Since dual was heavily used when programming in
Forms2.3, it cause a big problem as no users were able
to log in (the menu was using dual). It was in the
stock exchange department of a big bank. Poor dba ...


 --- Yechiel Adar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> a écrit : >
RE: DUALSo listen up: For better April 1'st - add
> another record to dual. That is known to cause a
> deteriorating effect on developers.
> 
> :-)
> 
> Yechiel Adar
> Mehish
>   - Original Message - 
>   From: Jeremy Pulcifer 
>   To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L 
>   Sent: Monday, December 16, 2002 6:29 PM
>   Subject: RE: DUAL
> 
> 
>   Careful. We are listening. 
> 
>   ;-) 
> 
>   (that woulda messed me up for a while) 
> 
>   > -Original Message- 
>   > From: Babette Turner-Underwood
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
>   > Sent: Friday, December 13, 2002 12:04 PM 
>   > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L 
>   > Subject: RE: DUAL 
>   > 
>   > 
>   > Thanks for the great suggestion! 
>   > I will remember to use that one when 
>   > those developers start getting too lippy ;-) 
>   > 
>   > Babette 
>   > -Original Message- 
>   > Richard 
>   > Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2002 4:14 PM 
>   > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L 
>   > 
>   > 
>   > Howdy, 
>   > 
>   > I believe that truncating DUAL has also been
> known to leave developers 
>   > scratching their head.  Of course I could never
> recommend 
>   > that anyone try 
>   > it though. 
>   > 
>   > 
>   > 
>   > 
>   > "Farnsworth, Dave" 
>   >   To: Multiple 
>   > recipients of list ORACLE-L
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
>   > iture.com>  
>  cc: 
>   > Sent by:
>  Subject: DUAL 
>   > [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
>   > 
>   > 
>   > 13/12/2002 05:14 
>   > Please respond to 
>   > ORACLE-L 
>   > 
>   > 
>   > 
>   > 
>   > 
>   > 
>   > Hallo, 
>   > 
>   > Problems with dual, please read link 
>   > 
>   >
>
http://searchdatabase.techtarget.com/tip/0,289483,sid13_gci831
> 
>   > 497,00.html 
>   > 
>   > TIA, 
>   > 
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Re: DUAL

2002-12-17 Thread Stephane Paquette
I've seen that when I was a developper ...using 
Oracle 6/vax vms and Sql*Forms 2.3.

There was 2 rows in dual.

Since dual was heavily used when programming in
Forms2.3, it cause a big problem as no users were able
to log in (the menu was using dual). It was in the
stock exchange department of a big bank. Poor dba ...


 --- Yechiel Adar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> a écrit : >
RE: DUALSo listen up: For better April 1'st - add
> another record to dual. That is known to cause a
> deteriorating effect on developers.
> 
> :-)
> 
> Yechiel Adar
> Mehish
>   - Original Message - 
>   From: Jeremy Pulcifer 
>   To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L 
>   Sent: Monday, December 16, 2002 6:29 PM
>   Subject: RE: DUAL
> 
> 
>   Careful. We are listening. 
> 
>   ;-) 
> 
>   (that woulda messed me up for a while) 
> 
>   > -Original Message- 
>   > From: Babette Turner-Underwood
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
>   > Sent: Friday, December 13, 2002 12:04 PM 
>   > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L 
>   > Subject: RE: DUAL 
>   > 
>   > 
>   > Thanks for the great suggestion! 
>   > I will remember to use that one when 
>   > those developers start getting too lippy ;-) 
>   > 
>   > Babette 
>   > -Original Message- 
>   > Richard 
>   > Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2002 4:14 PM 
>   > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L 
>   > 
>   > 
>   > Howdy, 
>   > 
>   > I believe that truncating DUAL has also been
> known to leave developers 
>   > scratching their head.  Of course I could never
> recommend 
>   > that anyone try 
>   > it though. 
>   > 
>   > 
>   > 
>   > 
>   > "Farnsworth, Dave" 
>   >   To: Multiple 
>   > recipients of list ORACLE-L
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
>   > iture.com>  
>  cc: 
>   > Sent by:
>  Subject: DUAL 
>   > [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
>   > 
>   > 
>   > 13/12/2002 05:14 
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>   > 
>   > 
>   > 
>   > 
>   > 
>   > Hallo, 
>   > 
>   > Problems with dual, please read link 
>   > 
>   >
>
http://searchdatabase.techtarget.com/tip/0,289483,sid13_gci831
> 
>   > 497,00.html 
>   > 
>   > TIA, 
>   > 
>   > Dave 
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RE: DUAL

2002-12-17 Thread Jeremy Pulcifer
Title: RE: DUAL



That's 
it. I'm inventing my own dummy table.
 
CREATE 
TABLE dummy (DUAL varchar2(20));
 

  -Original Message-From: Yechiel Adar 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Monday, December 16, 2002 10:04 
  PMTo: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-LSubject: Re: 
  DUAL
  So listen up: For better April 1'st - add another 
  record to dual. That is known to cause a deteriorating effect on 
  developers.
   
  :-)
   
  Yechiel AdarMehish
  
- Original Message - 
From: 
Jeremy Pulcifer 
To: Multiple 
recipients of list ORACLE-L 
Sent: Monday, December 16, 2002 6:29 
PM
    Subject: RE: DUAL

Careful. We are listening. 
;-) 
(that woulda messed me up for a while) 
> -Original Message- > 
From: Babette Turner-Underwood [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
> Sent: Friday, December 13, 2002 12:04 PM 
> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L 
> Subject: RE: DUAL > 
> > Thanks for the 
great suggestion! > I will remember to use that 
one when > those developers start getting too 
lippy ;-) > > 
Babette > -Original Message- 
> Richard > Sent: Thursday, 
December 12, 2002 4:14 PM > To: Multiple 
recipients of list ORACLE-L > > > Howdy, > 
> I believe that truncating DUAL has also been 
known to leave developers > scratching their 
head.  Of course I could never recommend > 
that anyone try > it though. > > > 
> > 
"Farnsworth, Dave" > 
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> 497,00.html > 
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RE: DUAL

2002-12-17 Thread Wolfgang Bogacz
The link is not wrong. Note, however, that a hard return split it into two.

Also, I think the word Yechiel Adar was meaning to use was :
deleterious
:harmful often in a subtle or unexpected way


-Original Message-
Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2002 6:49 AM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L



Hi, 

Is the link misspelled? It says Page cannot be found.. 


Jai 


"Yechiel Adar" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
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So listen up: For better April 1'st - add another record to dual. That is
known to cause a deteriorating effect on developers. 
  
:-) 
  
Yechiel Adar
Mehish 
- Original Message - 
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L 
Sent: Monday, December 16, 2002 6:29 PM 

Careful. We are listening. 
;-) 
(that woulda messed me up for a while) 
> -Original Message- 
> From: Babette Turner-Underwood [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
> Sent: Friday, December 13, 2002 12:04 PM 
> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L 
> Subject: RE: DUAL 
> 
> 
> Thanks for the great suggestion! 
> I will remember to use that one when 
> those developers start getting too lippy ;-) 
> 
> Babette 
> -Original Message- 
> Richard 
> Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2002 4:14 PM 
> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L 
> 
> 
> Howdy, 
> 
> I believe that truncating DUAL has also been known to leave developers 
> scratching their head.  Of course I could never recommend 
> that anyone try 
> it though. 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> "Farnsworth, Dave" 
>  recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> iture.com>cc: 
> Sent by:  Subject: DUAL 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> 
> 
> 13/12/2002 05:14 
> Please respond to 
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> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Hallo, 
> 
> Problems with dual, please read link 
> 
> http://searchdatabase.techtarget.com/tip/0,289483,sid13_gci831 
> 497,00.html 
> 
> TIA, 
> 
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Re: DUAL

2002-12-17 Thread JayK

Hi,

Is the link misspelled? It says Page cannot be found..


Jai






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So listen up: For better April 1'st - add another record to dual. That is known to cause a deteriorating effect on developers.
 
:-)
 
Yechiel Adar
Mehish
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From: Jeremy Pulcifer 
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Sent: Monday, December 16, 2002 6:29 PM
Subject: RE: DUAL

Careful. We are listening. 
;-) 
(that woulda messed me up for a while) 
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> Thanks for the great suggestion! 
> I will remember to use that one when 
> those developers start getting too lippy ;-) 
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> Babette 
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> Richard 
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> 
> Howdy, 
> 
> I believe that truncating DUAL has also been known to leave developers 
> scratching their head.  Of course I could never recommend 
> that anyone try 
> it though. 
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Re: DUAL

2002-12-16 Thread Yechiel Adar
Title: RE: DUAL



So listen up: For better April 1'st - add another 
record to dual. That is known to cause a deteriorating effect on 
developers.
 
:-)
 
Yechiel AdarMehish

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Jeremy Pulcifer 
  To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L 
  Sent: Monday, December 16, 2002 6:29 
  PM
  Subject: RE: DUAL
  
  Careful. We are listening. 
  ;-) 
  (that woulda messed me up for a while) 
  > -Original Message- > 
  From: Babette Turner-Underwood [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
  > Sent: Friday, December 13, 2002 12:04 PM 
  > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L 
  > Subject: RE: DUAL > 
  > > Thanks for the great 
  suggestion! > I will remember to use that one 
  when > those developers start getting too lippy 
  ;-) > > Babette 
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  > Howdy, > 
  > I believe that truncating DUAL has also been 
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RE: DUAL

2002-12-16 Thread Jeremy Pulcifer
Title: RE: DUAL





Careful. We are listening.


;-)


(that woulda messed me up for a while)


> -Original Message-
> From: Babette Turner-Underwood [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Friday, December 13, 2002 12:04 PM
> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> Subject: RE: DUAL
> 
> 
> Thanks for the great suggestion!
> I will remember to use that one when
> those developers start getting too lippy ;-)
> 
> Babette
> -Original Message-
> Richard
> Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2002 4:14 PM
> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> 
> 
> Howdy,
> 
> I believe that truncating DUAL has also been known to leave developers
> scratching their head.  Of course I could never recommend 
> that anyone try
> it though.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> "Farnsworth, Dave"
> 
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> 13/12/2002 05:14
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> Hallo,
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> Problems with dual, please read link
> 
> http://searchdatabase.techtarget.com/tip/0,289483,sid13_gci831
> 497,00.html
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RE: DUAL

2002-12-13 Thread Babette Turner-Underwood
Thanks for the great suggestion!
I will remember to use that one when
those developers start getting too lippy ;-)

Babette
-Original Message-
Richard
Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2002 4:14 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L


Howdy,

I believe that truncating DUAL has also been known to leave developers
scratching their head.  Of course I could never recommend that anyone try
it though.




"Farnsworth, Dave"

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Re: DUAL

2002-12-12 Thread Mark Richard
Howdy,

I believe that truncating DUAL has also been known to leave developers
scratching their head.  Of course I could never recommend that anyone try
it though.



   
 
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RE: DUAL

2002-12-12 Thread Mercadante, Thomas F
Hallo,

Dave- what is, Dual for Dummies?



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RE: DUAL Was: Consulting Position Available-Oracle DBA/Developer/

2002-09-20 Thread Weaver, Walt

Thanks, Jan.

Are you still at work?

--Walt (1.85254E-16ly tall) Weaver

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DBA/Developer/


7.0

JP

On Friday 20 September 2002 20:29, you wrote:
> Jan,
>
> Which version of PostgrSQL are you using?
>
> --Walt Weaver
>   Bozeman, Montana
>
> -Original Message-
> Sent: Friday, September 20, 2002 11:35 AM
> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> DBA/Developer/
>
>
> We are using PostgreSQL, but still have problems with statistics.
> Sometimes after VACUUM ANALYZE optimizer doesn't use indexes
> and performance goes down.
>
> JP
>
> On Friday 20 September 2002 18:43, you wrote:
> > Ditto for PostgreSQL. For portability you can create a dual table but
you
> > have to ensure that it only has one row. ;-)   I finding that
portability
> > between PostgreSQL and Oracle is easier than most... same to_date,
> > to_char functions, and stuff. Seems like that's part of Postgres'
> > strategy.
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > Sent: Friday, September 20, 2002 9:24 AM
> > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> > DBA/Developer/NYC
> >
> >
> >
> > As well as in MySQL
> >
> > >There is no need for such table in SQL Server.
> > >If you need, you do just:
> > >
> > >select 'whatever'
> > >
> > >without "from" clause.
> >
> > Gints Plivna
> > IT Sistçmas, Meríeïa 13, LV1050 Rîga
> > http://www.itsystems.lv/gints/

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Re: DUAL Was: Consulting Position Available-Oracle DBA/Developer/

2002-09-20 Thread Jan Pruner

7.0

JP

On Friday 20 September 2002 20:29, you wrote:
> Jan,
>
> Which version of PostgrSQL are you using?
>
> --Walt Weaver
>   Bozeman, Montana
>
> -Original Message-
> Sent: Friday, September 20, 2002 11:35 AM
> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> DBA/Developer/
>
>
> We are using PostgreSQL, but still have problems with statistics.
> Sometimes after VACUUM ANALYZE optimizer doesn't use indexes
> and performance goes down.
>
> JP
>
> On Friday 20 September 2002 18:43, you wrote:
> > Ditto for PostgreSQL. For portability you can create a dual table but you
> > have to ensure that it only has one row. ;-)   I finding that portability
> > between PostgreSQL and Oracle is easier than most... same to_date,
> > to_char functions, and stuff. Seems like that's part of Postgres'
> > strategy.
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > Sent: Friday, September 20, 2002 9:24 AM
> > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> > DBA/Developer/NYC
> >
> >
> >
> > As well as in MySQL
> >
> > >There is no need for such table in SQL Server.
> > >If you need, you do just:
> > >
> > >select 'whatever'
> > >
> > >without "from" clause.
> >
> > Gints Plivna
> > IT Sistçmas, Meríeïa 13, LV1050 Rîga
> > http://www.itsystems.lv/gints/

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RE: DUAL Was: Consulting Position Available-Oracle DBA/Developer/

2002-09-20 Thread Weaver, Walt

Jan,

Which version of PostgrSQL are you using?

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We are using PostgreSQL, but still have problems with statistics.
Sometimes after VACUUM ANALYZE optimizer doesn't use indexes
and performance goes down.

JP

On Friday 20 September 2002 18:43, you wrote:
> Ditto for PostgreSQL. For portability you can create a dual table but you
> have to ensure that it only has one row. ;-)   I finding that portability
> between PostgreSQL and Oracle is easier than most... same to_date, to_char
> functions, and stuff. Seems like that's part of Postgres' strategy.
>
>
> -Original Message-
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>
> As well as in MySQL
>
> >There is no need for such table in SQL Server.
> >If you need, you do just:
> >
> >select 'whatever'
> >
> >without "from" clause.
>
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Re: DUAL Was: Consulting Position Available-Oracle DBA/Developer/

2002-09-20 Thread Jan Pruner

We are using PostgreSQL, but still have problems with statistics.
Sometimes after VACUUM ANALYZE optimizer doesn't use indexes
and performance goes down.

JP

On Friday 20 September 2002 18:43, you wrote:
> Ditto for PostgreSQL. For portability you can create a dual table but you
> have to ensure that it only has one row. ;-)   I finding that portability
> between PostgreSQL and Oracle is easier than most... same to_date, to_char
> functions, and stuff. Seems like that's part of Postgres' strategy.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> Sent: Friday, September 20, 2002 9:24 AM
> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
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>
>
>
> As well as in MySQL
>
> >There is no need for such table in SQL Server.
> >If you need, you do just:
> >
> >select 'whatever'
> >
> >without "from" clause.
>
> Gints Plivna
> IT Sistçmas, Meríeïa 13, LV1050 Rîga
> http://www.itsystems.lv/gints/

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RE: DUAL Was: Consulting Position Available-Oracle DBA/Developer/

2002-09-20 Thread Orr, Steve

Ditto for PostgreSQL. For portability you can create a dual table but you
have to ensure that it only has one row. ;-)   I finding that portability
between PostgreSQL and Oracle is easier than most... same to_date, to_char
functions, and stuff. Seems like that's part of Postgres' strategy.


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As well as in MySQL

>There is no need for such table in SQL Server.
>If you need, you do just:
>
>select 'whatever'
>
>without "from" clause.

Gints Plivna
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RE: DUAL revisited

2002-08-04 Thread Connor McDonald

Are you logged on as SYS ?

Pretty much select from  as
SYS will return '0' for the relevant stats - which is
course is not reflective on what's really happening

hth
connor

 --- david hill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >
Just wondering here but has anyone tried doing that
> select from something
> like v$database;
> 
> Statistics
>
--
>   0  recursive calls
>   0  db block gets
>   0  consistent gets
>   0  physical reads
>   0  redo size
> 187  bytes sent via SQL*Net to client
> 248  bytes received via SQL*Net from client
>   2  SQL*Net roundtrips to/from client
>   0  sorts (memory)
>   0  sorts (disk)
>   1  rows processed
> 
> that looks pretty good to me!!
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 11:13 AM
> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> 
> I've been reading the thread on DUAL vs X$DUAL, read
> the referenced article
> and tried some testing on our system. I do a simple
> select from DUAL and I
> get the same statistics as were in the article, but
> sometimes I also get 1
> memory sort. Does anyone know why this would be? And
> if this is true, that
> really makes me want to change over to X$DUAL. Also,
> what is the consensus
> about creating a view for DUAL that references
> X$DUAL? I'm running the
> Oracle Application and cannot change all of their
> code to use something
> other than DUAL, and there is a lot of it.
> 
> Here are the statistics on the select. Notice the
> difference between the
> first vs repeat of the same seelct.
> 
> Connected to:
> Oracle8i Enterprise Edition Release 8.1.7.1.1 -
> Production
> With the Partitioning option
> JServer Release 8.1.7.1.1 - Production
> 
> SQL> set autotrace traceonly
> SQL> select 'y' from dual;
> 
> Execution Plan
>
--
>0  SELECT STATEMENT Optimizer=CHOOSE (Cost=2
> Card=1)
>10   TABLE ACCESS (FULL) OF 'DUAL' (Cost=2
> Card=1)
> 
> Statistics
>
--
>   0  recursive calls
>   4  db block gets
>   1  consistent gets
>   0  physical reads
>   0  redo size
> 361  bytes sent via SQL*Net to client
> 425  bytes received via SQL*Net from client
>   2  SQL*Net roundtrips to/from client
>   1  sorts (memory)
>   0  sorts (disk)
>   1  rows processed
> SQL> /
> 
> Execution Plan
>
--
>0  SELECT STATEMENT Optimizer=CHOOSE (Cost=2
> Card=1)
>10   TABLE ACCESS (FULL) OF 'DUAL' (Cost=2
> Card=1)
> 
> Statistics
>
--
>   0  recursive calls
>   4  db block gets
>   1  consistent gets
>   0  physical reads
>   0  redo size
> 361  bytes sent via SQL*Net to client
> 425  bytes received via SQL*Net from client
>   2  SQL*Net roundtrips to/from client
>   0  sorts (memory)
>   0  sorts (disk)
>   1  rows processed
> SQL> 
> 
> Thanks for your input.
> 
> 
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> 4455 East 71st Street
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RE: DUAL revisited

2002-08-02 Thread Kathy Duret

Sorry brain dead.  Been working day and night for 5 days.  Not much sleep.  Makes 
perfect sense now.

Kathy

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Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 4:38 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L


Correct.  DUAL is a table owned by SYS for which SELECT permissions have
been granted to PUBLIC.  V$DUAL is a view on a special "fixed" table named
X$DUAL.  The SELECT permissions here are granted on the *view*; they cannot
be granted on a fixed table (i.e. X$ table).  So, you're queries succeed
because they are querying the view, which is able to query the fixed table
because the view belongs to SYS and inherits the permissions of SYS (i.e.
definer's rights).  However, EXPLAIN PLAN tries to access the underlying
table and fails, because you are running EXPLAIN PLAN as a user other than
SYS...

- Original Message -
To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 3:03 PM


> But I don't get this error when I query from dual just from the new
v$dual.
>
> Kathy
>
> -Original Message-
> Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 12:54 PM
> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
>
>
> ..if you're going to query from an account other than SYS, then please SET
> AUTOTRACE TRACEONLY STATISTICS (instead of SET AUTOTRACE ON) so it doesn't
> try to do an EXPLAIN PLAN.  You cannot grant SELECT on X$ tables to anyone
> other than SYS, which affects EXPLAIN PLAN also...
>
> - Original Message -
> To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 11:15 AM
>
>
> > I followed the instructions but I get the error below.  I do not get the
> same error when I select from dual.  And yes I did to the public grant.
And
> other clues?  DB 8.1.7.3
> >
> > Thanks Kathy
> >
> > Execution Plan
> > --
> > ERROR:
> > ORA-01039: insufficient privileges on underlying objects of the view
> >
> >
> > SP2-0612: Error generating AUTOTRACE EXPLAIN report
> >
> > Statistics
> > --
> >   0  recursive calls
> >   0  db block gets
> >   0  consistent gets
> >   0  physical reads
> >   0  redo size
> > 371  bytes sent via SQL*Net to client
> > 426  bytes received via SQL*Net from client
> >   2  SQL*Net roundtrips to/from client
> >   0  sorts (memory)
> >   0  sorts (disk)
> >   1  rows processed
> > -Original Message-
> > Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 8:13 AM
> > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> >
> >
> > I've been reading the thread on DUAL vs X$DUAL, read the referenced
> article
> > and tried some testing on our system. I do a simple select from DUAL and
I
> > get the same statistics as were in the article, but sometimes I also get
1
> > memory sort. Does anyone know why this would be? And if this is true,
that
> > really makes me want to change over to X$DUAL. Also, what is the
consensus
> > about creating a view for DUAL that references X$DUAL? I'm running the
> > Oracle Application and cannot change all of their code to use something
> > other than DUAL, and there is a lot of it.
> >
> > Here are the statistics on the select. Notice the difference between the
> > first vs repeat of the same seelct.
> >
> > Connected to:
> > Oracle8i Enterprise Edition Release 8.1.7.1.1 - Production
> > With the Partitioning option
> > JServer Release 8.1.7.1.1 - Production
> >
> > SQL> set autotrace traceonly
> > SQL> select 'y' from dual;
> >
> > Execution Plan
> > --
> >0  SELECT STATEMENT Optimizer=CHOOSE (Cost=2 Card=1)
> >10   TABLE ACCESS (FULL) OF 'DUAL' (Cost=2 Card=1)
> >
> > Statistics
> > --
> >   0  recursive calls
> >   4  db block gets
> >   1  consistent gets
> >   0  physical reads
> >   0  redo size
> > 361  bytes sent via SQL*Net to client
> > 425  bytes received via SQL*Net from client
> >   2  SQL*Net roundtrips to/from client
> >   1  sorts (memory)
> >   0  sorts (disk)
> >   1  rows processed
> > SQL> /
> >
> > Execution Plan
> > --
> >0  SELECT STATEMENT Optimizer=CHOOSE (Cost=2 Card=1)
> >10   TABLE ACCESS (FULL) OF 'DUAL' (Cost=2 Card=1)
> >
> > Statistics
> > --
> >   0  recursive calls
> >   4  db block gets
> >   1  consistent gets
> >   0  physical reads
> >   0  redo size
> > 361  bytes sent via SQL*Net to client
> > 425  bytes received via SQL*Net from client
> >   2  SQL*Net roundtrips to/from client
> >   0  sorts (memory)
> >   0  sorts (disk)
> >   1  rows processed
>

Re: DUAL revisited

2002-08-02 Thread Tim Gorman

Correct.  DUAL is a table owned by SYS for which SELECT permissions have
been granted to PUBLIC.  V$DUAL is a view on a special "fixed" table named
X$DUAL.  The SELECT permissions here are granted on the *view*; they cannot
be granted on a fixed table (i.e. X$ table).  So, you're queries succeed
because they are querying the view, which is able to query the fixed table
because the view belongs to SYS and inherits the permissions of SYS (i.e.
definer's rights).  However, EXPLAIN PLAN tries to access the underlying
table and fails, because you are running EXPLAIN PLAN as a user other than
SYS...

- Original Message -
To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 3:03 PM


> But I don't get this error when I query from dual just from the new
v$dual.
>
> Kathy
>
> -Original Message-
> Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 12:54 PM
> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
>
>
> ..if you're going to query from an account other than SYS, then please SET
> AUTOTRACE TRACEONLY STATISTICS (instead of SET AUTOTRACE ON) so it doesn't
> try to do an EXPLAIN PLAN.  You cannot grant SELECT on X$ tables to anyone
> other than SYS, which affects EXPLAIN PLAN also...
>
> - Original Message -
> To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 11:15 AM
>
>
> > I followed the instructions but I get the error below.  I do not get the
> same error when I select from dual.  And yes I did to the public grant.
And
> other clues?  DB 8.1.7.3
> >
> > Thanks Kathy
> >
> > Execution Plan
> > --
> > ERROR:
> > ORA-01039: insufficient privileges on underlying objects of the view
> >
> >
> > SP2-0612: Error generating AUTOTRACE EXPLAIN report
> >
> > Statistics
> > --
> >   0  recursive calls
> >   0  db block gets
> >   0  consistent gets
> >   0  physical reads
> >   0  redo size
> > 371  bytes sent via SQL*Net to client
> > 426  bytes received via SQL*Net from client
> >   2  SQL*Net roundtrips to/from client
> >   0  sorts (memory)
> >   0  sorts (disk)
> >   1  rows processed
> > -Original Message-
> > Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 8:13 AM
> > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> >
> >
> > I've been reading the thread on DUAL vs X$DUAL, read the referenced
> article
> > and tried some testing on our system. I do a simple select from DUAL and
I
> > get the same statistics as were in the article, but sometimes I also get
1
> > memory sort. Does anyone know why this would be? And if this is true,
that
> > really makes me want to change over to X$DUAL. Also, what is the
consensus
> > about creating a view for DUAL that references X$DUAL? I'm running the
> > Oracle Application and cannot change all of their code to use something
> > other than DUAL, and there is a lot of it.
> >
> > Here are the statistics on the select. Notice the difference between the
> > first vs repeat of the same seelct.
> >
> > Connected to:
> > Oracle8i Enterprise Edition Release 8.1.7.1.1 - Production
> > With the Partitioning option
> > JServer Release 8.1.7.1.1 - Production
> >
> > SQL> set autotrace traceonly
> > SQL> select 'y' from dual;
> >
> > Execution Plan
> > --
> >0  SELECT STATEMENT Optimizer=CHOOSE (Cost=2 Card=1)
> >10   TABLE ACCESS (FULL) OF 'DUAL' (Cost=2 Card=1)
> >
> > Statistics
> > --
> >   0  recursive calls
> >   4  db block gets
> >   1  consistent gets
> >   0  physical reads
> >   0  redo size
> > 361  bytes sent via SQL*Net to client
> > 425  bytes received via SQL*Net from client
> >   2  SQL*Net roundtrips to/from client
> >   1  sorts (memory)
> >   0  sorts (disk)
> >   1  rows processed
> > SQL> /
> >
> > Execution Plan
> > --
> >0  SELECT STATEMENT Optimizer=CHOOSE (Cost=2 Card=1)
> >10   TABLE ACCESS (FULL) OF 'DUAL' (Cost=2 Card=1)
> >
> > Statistics
> > --
> >   0  recursive calls
> >   4  db block gets
> >   1  consistent gets
> >   0  physical reads
> >   0  redo size
> > 361  bytes sent via SQL*Net to client
> > 425  bytes received via SQL*Net from client
> >   2  SQL*Net roundtrips to/from client
> >   0  sorts (memory)
> >   0  sorts (disk)
> >   1  rows processed
> > SQL>
> >
> > Thanks for your input.
> >
> >
> > John Zoltak
> > North American Mfg Co
> > 4455 East 71st Street
> > Cleveland Ohio 44105
> >
> > --
> > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com
> >

RE: DUAL revisited

2002-08-02 Thread Jacques Kilchoer
Title: RE: DUAL revisited





> -Original Message-
> From: Kathy Duret [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> 
> But I don't get this error when I query from dual just from 
> the new v$dual.


That's because your v$dual view is assessing a SYS.X$ "table". To do an explain plan on a SYS.X$ "table" you have to be signed on as SYS. A more knowledgeable person may be able to tell you why.




RE: DUAL revisited

2002-08-02 Thread Kathy Duret

But I don't get this error when I query from dual just from the new v$dual.

Kathy

-Original Message-
Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 12:54 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L


...if you're going to query from an account other than SYS, then please SET
AUTOTRACE TRACEONLY STATISTICS (instead of SET AUTOTRACE ON) so it doesn't
try to do an EXPLAIN PLAN.  You cannot grant SELECT on X$ tables to anyone
other than SYS, which affects EXPLAIN PLAN also...

- Original Message -
To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 11:15 AM


> I followed the instructions but I get the error below.  I do not get the
same error when I select from dual.  And yes I did to the public grant.  And
other clues?  DB 8.1.7.3
>
> Thanks Kathy
>
> Execution Plan
> --
> ERROR:
> ORA-01039: insufficient privileges on underlying objects of the view
>
>
> SP2-0612: Error generating AUTOTRACE EXPLAIN report
>
> Statistics
> --
>   0  recursive calls
>   0  db block gets
>   0  consistent gets
>   0  physical reads
>   0  redo size
> 371  bytes sent via SQL*Net to client
> 426  bytes received via SQL*Net from client
>   2  SQL*Net roundtrips to/from client
>   0  sorts (memory)
>   0  sorts (disk)
>   1  rows processed
> -Original Message-
> Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 8:13 AM
> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
>
>
> I've been reading the thread on DUAL vs X$DUAL, read the referenced
article
> and tried some testing on our system. I do a simple select from DUAL and I
> get the same statistics as were in the article, but sometimes I also get 1
> memory sort. Does anyone know why this would be? And if this is true, that
> really makes me want to change over to X$DUAL. Also, what is the consensus
> about creating a view for DUAL that references X$DUAL? I'm running the
> Oracle Application and cannot change all of their code to use something
> other than DUAL, and there is a lot of it.
>
> Here are the statistics on the select. Notice the difference between the
> first vs repeat of the same seelct.
>
> Connected to:
> Oracle8i Enterprise Edition Release 8.1.7.1.1 - Production
> With the Partitioning option
> JServer Release 8.1.7.1.1 - Production
>
> SQL> set autotrace traceonly
> SQL> select 'y' from dual;
>
> Execution Plan
> --
>0  SELECT STATEMENT Optimizer=CHOOSE (Cost=2 Card=1)
>10   TABLE ACCESS (FULL) OF 'DUAL' (Cost=2 Card=1)
>
> Statistics
> --
>   0  recursive calls
>   4  db block gets
>   1  consistent gets
>   0  physical reads
>   0  redo size
> 361  bytes sent via SQL*Net to client
> 425  bytes received via SQL*Net from client
>   2  SQL*Net roundtrips to/from client
>   1  sorts (memory)
>   0  sorts (disk)
>   1  rows processed
> SQL> /
>
> Execution Plan
> --
>0  SELECT STATEMENT Optimizer=CHOOSE (Cost=2 Card=1)
>10   TABLE ACCESS (FULL) OF 'DUAL' (Cost=2 Card=1)
>
> Statistics
> --
>   0  recursive calls
>   4  db block gets
>   1  consistent gets
>   0  physical reads
>   0  redo size
> 361  bytes sent via SQL*Net to client
> 425  bytes received via SQL*Net from client
>   2  SQL*Net roundtrips to/from client
>   0  sorts (memory)
>   0  sorts (disk)
>   1  rows processed
> SQL>
>
> Thanks for your input.
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Re: DUAL revisited

2002-08-02 Thread Tim Gorman

...if you're going to query from an account other than SYS, then please SET
AUTOTRACE TRACEONLY STATISTICS (instead of SET AUTOTRACE ON) so it doesn't
try to do an EXPLAIN PLAN.  You cannot grant SELECT on X$ tables to anyone
other than SYS, which affects EXPLAIN PLAN also...

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> I followed the instructions but I get the error below.  I do not get the
same error when I select from dual.  And yes I did to the public grant.  And
other clues?  DB 8.1.7.3
>
> Thanks Kathy
>
> Execution Plan
> --
> ERROR:
> ORA-01039: insufficient privileges on underlying objects of the view
>
>
> SP2-0612: Error generating AUTOTRACE EXPLAIN report
>
> Statistics
> --
>   0  recursive calls
>   0  db block gets
>   0  consistent gets
>   0  physical reads
>   0  redo size
> 371  bytes sent via SQL*Net to client
> 426  bytes received via SQL*Net from client
>   2  SQL*Net roundtrips to/from client
>   0  sorts (memory)
>   0  sorts (disk)
>   1  rows processed
> -Original Message-
> Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 8:13 AM
> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
>
>
> I've been reading the thread on DUAL vs X$DUAL, read the referenced
article
> and tried some testing on our system. I do a simple select from DUAL and I
> get the same statistics as were in the article, but sometimes I also get 1
> memory sort. Does anyone know why this would be? And if this is true, that
> really makes me want to change over to X$DUAL. Also, what is the consensus
> about creating a view for DUAL that references X$DUAL? I'm running the
> Oracle Application and cannot change all of their code to use something
> other than DUAL, and there is a lot of it.
>
> Here are the statistics on the select. Notice the difference between the
> first vs repeat of the same seelct.
>
> Connected to:
> Oracle8i Enterprise Edition Release 8.1.7.1.1 - Production
> With the Partitioning option
> JServer Release 8.1.7.1.1 - Production
>
> SQL> set autotrace traceonly
> SQL> select 'y' from dual;
>
> Execution Plan
> --
>0  SELECT STATEMENT Optimizer=CHOOSE (Cost=2 Card=1)
>10   TABLE ACCESS (FULL) OF 'DUAL' (Cost=2 Card=1)
>
> Statistics
> --
>   0  recursive calls
>   4  db block gets
>   1  consistent gets
>   0  physical reads
>   0  redo size
> 361  bytes sent via SQL*Net to client
> 425  bytes received via SQL*Net from client
>   2  SQL*Net roundtrips to/from client
>   1  sorts (memory)
>   0  sorts (disk)
>   1  rows processed
> SQL> /
>
> Execution Plan
> --
>0  SELECT STATEMENT Optimizer=CHOOSE (Cost=2 Card=1)
>10   TABLE ACCESS (FULL) OF 'DUAL' (Cost=2 Card=1)
>
> Statistics
> --
>   0  recursive calls
>   4  db block gets
>   1  consistent gets
>   0  physical reads
>   0  redo size
> 361  bytes sent via SQL*Net to client
> 425  bytes received via SQL*Net from client
>   2  SQL*Net roundtrips to/from client
>   0  sorts (memory)
>   0  sorts (disk)
>   1  rows processed
> SQL>
>
> Thanks for your input.
>
>
> John Zoltak
> North American Mfg Co
> 4455 East 71st Street
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RE: DUAL revisited

2002-08-02 Thread david hill

Just wondering here but has anyone tried doing that select from something
like v$database;

Statistics
--
  0  recursive calls
  0  db block gets
  0  consistent gets
  0  physical reads
  0  redo size
187  bytes sent via SQL*Net to client
248  bytes received via SQL*Net from client
  2  SQL*Net roundtrips to/from client
  0  sorts (memory)
  0  sorts (disk)
  1  rows processed

that looks pretty good to me!!


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To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L

I've been reading the thread on DUAL vs X$DUAL, read the referenced article
and tried some testing on our system. I do a simple select from DUAL and I
get the same statistics as were in the article, but sometimes I also get 1
memory sort. Does anyone know why this would be? And if this is true, that
really makes me want to change over to X$DUAL. Also, what is the consensus
about creating a view for DUAL that references X$DUAL? I'm running the
Oracle Application and cannot change all of their code to use something
other than DUAL, and there is a lot of it.

Here are the statistics on the select. Notice the difference between the
first vs repeat of the same seelct.

Connected to:
Oracle8i Enterprise Edition Release 8.1.7.1.1 - Production
With the Partitioning option
JServer Release 8.1.7.1.1 - Production

SQL> set autotrace traceonly
SQL> select 'y' from dual;

Execution Plan
--
   0  SELECT STATEMENT Optimizer=CHOOSE (Cost=2 Card=1)
   10   TABLE ACCESS (FULL) OF 'DUAL' (Cost=2 Card=1)

Statistics
--
  0  recursive calls
  4  db block gets
  1  consistent gets
  0  physical reads
  0  redo size
361  bytes sent via SQL*Net to client
425  bytes received via SQL*Net from client
  2  SQL*Net roundtrips to/from client
  1  sorts (memory)
  0  sorts (disk)
  1  rows processed
SQL> /

Execution Plan
--
   0  SELECT STATEMENT Optimizer=CHOOSE (Cost=2 Card=1)
   10   TABLE ACCESS (FULL) OF 'DUAL' (Cost=2 Card=1)

Statistics
--
  0  recursive calls
  4  db block gets
  1  consistent gets
  0  physical reads
  0  redo size
361  bytes sent via SQL*Net to client
425  bytes received via SQL*Net from client
  2  SQL*Net roundtrips to/from client
  0  sorts (memory)
  0  sorts (disk)
  1  rows processed
SQL> 

Thanks for your input.


John Zoltak
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Cleveland Ohio 44105
 
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RE: DUAL revisited

2002-08-02 Thread Kathy Duret

I followed the instructions but I get the error below.  I do not get the same error 
when I select from dual.  And yes I did to the public grant.  And other clues?  DB 
8.1.7.3

Thanks Kathy

Execution Plan  
--  
ERROR:  
ORA-01039: insufficient privileges on underlying objects of the view


SP2-0612: Error generating AUTOTRACE EXPLAIN report 

Statistics  
--  
  0  recursive calls
  0  db block gets  
  0  consistent gets
  0  physical reads 
  0  redo size  
371  bytes sent via SQL*Net to client   
426  bytes received via SQL*Net from client 
  2  SQL*Net roundtrips to/from client  
  0  sorts (memory) 
  0  sorts (disk)   
  1  rows processed  
-Original Message-
Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 8:13 AM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L


I've been reading the thread on DUAL vs X$DUAL, read the referenced article
and tried some testing on our system. I do a simple select from DUAL and I
get the same statistics as were in the article, but sometimes I also get 1
memory sort. Does anyone know why this would be? And if this is true, that
really makes me want to change over to X$DUAL. Also, what is the consensus
about creating a view for DUAL that references X$DUAL? I'm running the
Oracle Application and cannot change all of their code to use something
other than DUAL, and there is a lot of it.

Here are the statistics on the select. Notice the difference between the
first vs repeat of the same seelct.

Connected to:
Oracle8i Enterprise Edition Release 8.1.7.1.1 - Production
With the Partitioning option
JServer Release 8.1.7.1.1 - Production

SQL> set autotrace traceonly
SQL> select 'y' from dual;

Execution Plan
--
   0  SELECT STATEMENT Optimizer=CHOOSE (Cost=2 Card=1)
   10   TABLE ACCESS (FULL) OF 'DUAL' (Cost=2 Card=1)

Statistics
--
  0  recursive calls
  4  db block gets
  1  consistent gets
  0  physical reads
  0  redo size
361  bytes sent via SQL*Net to client
425  bytes received via SQL*Net from client
  2  SQL*Net roundtrips to/from client
  1  sorts (memory)
  0  sorts (disk)
  1  rows processed
SQL> /

Execution Plan
--
   0  SELECT STATEMENT Optimizer=CHOOSE (Cost=2 Card=1)
   10   TABLE ACCESS (FULL) OF 'DUAL' (Cost=2 Card=1)

Statistics
--
  0  recursive calls
  4  db block gets
  1  consistent gets
  0  physical reads
  0  redo size
361  bytes sent via SQL*Net to client
425  bytes received via SQL*Net from client
  2  SQL*Net roundtrips to/from client
  0  sorts (memory)
  0  sorts (disk)
  1  rows processed
SQL> 

Thanks for your input.


John Zoltak
North American Mfg Co
4455 East 71st Street
Cleveland Ohio 44105
 
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RE: DUAL related

2002-06-22 Thread Boivin, Patrice J

Kinda neat.

Thanks!

Patrice.


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For those who want to optimize "select  from dual", look at the
following link...

http://www.oracledba.co.uk/tips/dual_speed.htm

Regards,
Vladimir


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RE: dual error

2001-06-20 Thread Shirish Khapre

it creates various support tables and views for eg dual, or tab(when u do
select * from tab) etc

for more info open the sql.bsq from u'r orant/home/rdbms80/admin/sql.bsq

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OT RE: dual error

2001-06-20 Thread Mohan, Ross

re: Your sig line on parachutes.  

Yes, but to be considered properly prepared for use, they must be closed.

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thanks all,,my probs with dual is is solved now

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RE: dual error

2001-06-20 Thread Shirish Khapre

thanks all,,my probs with dual is is solved now

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RE: dual error

2001-06-20 Thread Shirish Khapre

i used sql.bsq and it worked


shirish

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Can you enlighten us with the resolution ?



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thanks all,,my probs with dual is is solved now

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