Re: Java in the database

2001-10-31 Thread Jared Still 


The article explains it much better than I can.

The key to their success was their architecture.

Perl was just part of the architecture.  

My point was and is that it is very capable, and much
faster then most people realize.

As for not scaling as well as EJB and COM, well I dunno.

I think most people that call themselves Java programmers
would be hard pressed to create a system as fast and robust
as the one that was etoys.com.  

I say 'java programmers' in the same sense that recent 
non-experienced MCSE's call themselves system admins.

I've taken a java class.  Pretty easy to use but much 
too wordy. :)

Jared


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> How many of 2.5 mln pages per hour are actually generated by Perl vs. are
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RE: Java in the database

2001-10-31 Thread Val_Gamerman/Victoria_Financial . VICTORIA_FINANCIAL 




Jared,

How many of 2.5 mln pages per hour are actually generated by Perl vs. are
just static pages?
I use Perl too (http://www.bbgunstore.com -- my creation :-) takes about 5
mln pages a month) but it does not scale as well as EJB, COM+, etc...

Just curious...

Thanks,
Val Gamerman.






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I use Perl.  A lot.  The only thing it can't do is wash my car.
I'm working on that. :)
How about 200k sessions per hour?  2.5 million pages per hour?
http://www.perl.com/pub/a/2001/10/17/etoys.html
Jared



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"Do not criticize someone until you walked a mile in their shoes, that way
when you criticize them, you are a mile a way and have their shoes."
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RE: Java in the database

2001-10-29 Thread Grabowy, Chris 



Duoh!!  (sitting back in my lazyboy, sipping on some soda, nibbling 
on popcorn, turning to Jared and Chris, waiting pensively for there return 
volley)

  -Original Message-From: Marin Dimitrov 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Monday, October 29, 2001 
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  Re: Java in the database
   
  
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From: 
Christopher 
Spence 
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L 

Sent: Monday, October 29, 2001 
16:05
Subject: RE: Java in the database

OrionServer runs on almost any 
platform as it is pure java.  So 
not sure I buy the 'supports more os's' 
comment.
 
Orion has been 
tested on the following platforms: 


  
Windows 95/98/NT/2000 

Sparc Solaris 

Linux 

FreeBSD 4.x 

AS/400 

HP-UX (with classic vm) 
 
 
If you take a look at the 
BEA platform certification page (http://edocs.bea.com/wls/platforms/index.html) 
u'll see something more than the "Note that we can not 
guarantee that all configurations or jvm's will work on the above OSes, it's 
merely an indication on what platforms Orion has been succesfully used. 
" that is found in the Orion docs
 
 
Keep in mind Orion 
server was the first J2EE commercial product, 
 
It's J2EE based, but not J2EE certified. 

 
I couldn't find any indication that Orion is certified in 
the FAQ/features page, and both BEA and Flashline.com claim Orion is 
not certified
 
As for the 5x better performance  - there is a 
similar compariosn from BEA that claims WebLogic to be 54% fatser than 
OAS 9i (http://www.bea.com/products/weblogic/server/performance_oracle.shtml)
 
 
 Marin
 
"...what you brought 
from your past, is of no use in your present. When you must choose a new 
path, do not bring old experiences with you. Those who strike out 
afresh, but who attempt to retain a little of the old life, end up torn 
apart by their own memories. "





   
  
   
   

Re: Java in the database

2001-10-29 Thread Marin Dimitrov 



 

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Christopher 
  Spence 
  To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L 
  
  Sent: Monday, October 29, 2001 
16:05
  Subject: RE: Java in the database
  
  OrionServer runs on almost any 
  platform as it is pure java.  So 
  not sure I buy the 'supports more os's' 
  comment.
   
  Orion has been 
  tested on the following platforms: 
  
  

  Windows 95/98/NT/2000 
  
  Sparc Solaris 
  
  Linux 

  FreeBSD 4.x 
  
  AS/400 
  
  HP-UX (with classic vm) 
   
   
  If you take a look at the BEA 
  platform certification page (http://edocs.bea.com/wls/platforms/index.html) 
  u'll see something more than the "Note that we can not 
  guarantee that all configurations or jvm's will work on the above OSes, it's 
  merely an indication on what platforms Orion has been succesfully used. 
  " that is found in the Orion docs
   
   
  Keep in mind Orion 
  server was the first J2EE commercial product, 
   
  It's J2EE based, but not J2EE certified. 
  
   
  I couldn't find any indication that Orion is certified in 
  the FAQ/features page, and both BEA and Flashline.com claim Orion is not 
  certified
   
  As for the 5x better performance  - there is a similar 
  compariosn from BEA that claims WebLogic to be 54% fatser than OAS 
  9i (http://www.bea.com/products/weblogic/server/performance_oracle.shtml)
   
   
   Marin
   
  "...what you brought 
  from your past, is of no use in your present. When you must choose a new 
  path, do not bring old experiences with you. Those who strike out afresh, 
  but who attempt to retain a little of the old life, end up torn apart by 
  their own memories. "
  
  
  
  
 

 
 

RE: Java in the database

2001-10-29 Thread Christopher Spence 









Actually the 5x faster is a third party
benchmark for Orion Server before it was intergrated with Oracle.

 

I forget who did the benchmark, but it is
on www.orionserver.com

 

 

They compared Web Logic, Tomcat, Ressin,
Orion, and I believe one other.

 



"Do not criticize someone until you walked a
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have their shoes."

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Oracle DBA 
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Fax:    (707) 885-2275 

Fuelspot 
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Christopher-





 





Do you have first-hand experience
with the performance of Orion, either within iAS or as a stand-alone servlet
engine?  The '5x faster' seems to come from an Oracle source, which I
suspect is referring to Java stored and executed within Oracle.  I'm not
sure whether Orion as a stand-alone product can make the same claim.  Then
again I'm a DBA, not an experienced Java developer, and am finding it a bit
confusing to wade thru the alphabet soup.





 





I have a 3rd-party app to install
that needs 'any J2EE-compliant' java servlet engine.  I'm looking for
something that will provide good scalability at a good price.  The price
is right, if Orion scales well then maybe I won't need iAS for this server
since I don't need all the other goodies that comes along with it.  If you
have any real-world indications of scalability I'd appreciate hearing from
you.  Thanks.





 





Jim







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Take a look at OrionServer (www.orionserver.com)  at $1,500 / server and 5x faster than Web
Logic, I would wonder why people would use others.  And OAS9i uses Orion as the core now.

 

 



"Do not criticize someone
until you walked a mile in their shoes, that way when you criticize them, you
are a mile a way and have their shoes."

Christopher R. Spence 
Oracle DBA 
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Fax:    (707) 885-2275 

Fuelspot 
73 Princeton Street 
North, Chelmsford 01863 
  



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Jan-





 





I've heard some concerns about the scalability of Tomcat as
an app server.  Of course, some of those concerns are voiced by guys like
Oracle and BEA who have a nice little Java engine to sell you for $10-20K per
CPU.  I know a lot of people use Tomcat for prototypes and such, then go
with one of the big boys for the production system.  Have you - or anyone
else - had Tomcat working in a production environment with, say, 100-200
concurrent users?  Thanks.





 





Jim

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PL/SQL. 
Java code only on Tomcat-Jakarta (Apache). 

JP 

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RE: Java in the database

2001-10-29 Thread Christopher Spence 









OrionServer runs on almost any platform as it is pure java.  So not sure I buy the 'supports
more os's' comment.

 

Orion has been tested on the following
platforms: 


 
  Windows
  95/98/NT/2000 
  Sparc Solaris 
  Linux
  
  FreeBSD
  4.x 
  AS/400
  
  HP-UX
  (with classic vm) 
 


 

Is the ones they tried, but I am sure
there would be few problems with most any OS that supports java.

So I am not sure where you got that from.

 

 

Granted, I will agree Web Logic has more
features, but does not necessarily mean you need them all, for example their
JMS implementation sucks.  

 

Keep in mind Orion server was the first
J2EE commercial product, 



 

"Do not criticize someone until you walked a
mile in their shoes, that way when you criticize them, you are a mile a way and
have their shoes."

Christopher R. Spence 
Oracle DBA 
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Fax:    (707) 885-2275 

Fuelspot 
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North, Chelmsford 01863 
  



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the database





 



Take a look at
OrionServer (www.orionserver.com)  at $1,500 / server and 5x faster than
Web Logic, I would wonder why people would use others.

 

 











 





Perhaps because WebLogic has more features,
supports more OSes and is J2EE certified? 





 





you may take a look at http://www.flashline.com/components/appservermatrix.jsp and






http://win-www.uia.ac.be/~s985218/professional/thesis/archief/documenten/Marktoverzicht.doc





 





 





hth,





 





    Marin







"...what you brought from your past, is of no use in your present. When 
you must choose a new path, do not bring old experiences with you. 
Those who strike out afresh, but who attempt to retain a little of the 
old life, end up torn apart by their own memories. "





 

Re: Java in the database

2001-10-29 Thread Stefan Jahnke 

Hi,

"So a huge Trading exchange written in Perl?"
.there are actually systems out there that do exactly that:
I don't know the link anymore, but Sweden migrated it's whole pension system to 
Perl/DBI. No joke.
That had a contracting company working on a solution, but after they f*d around for a 
couple of years and time
ran out, the system was implemented quickly in Perl ... and it works, it's 
(supposedly) maintanable and fast
enough.

bye,
Stefan

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> everything.
>
> "Do not criticize someone until you walked a mile in their shoes, that way
> when you criticize them, you are a mile a way and have their shoes."
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Re: Java in the database

2001-10-29 Thread Marin Dimitrov 



 

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
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  Spence 
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  Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 
20:51
  Subject: RE: Java in the database
  
  
  Take a look at 
  OrionServer (www.orionserver.com) 
   at $1,500 / server and 5x faster 
  than Web Logic, I would wonder why people would use others.
   
  
  
  
 
Perhaps because WebLogic has more features, supports more 
OSes and is J2EE certified? 
 
you may take a look at http://www.flashline.com/components/appservermatrix.jsp and 

http://win-www.uia.ac.be/~s985218/professional/thesis/archief/documenten/Marktoverzicht.doc
 
 
hth,
 
    Marin
"...what you brought from your past, is of 
no use in your present. When you must choose a new path, do not bring old 
experiences with you. Those who strike out afresh, but who attempt to retain 
a little of the old life, end up torn apart by their own memories. "
 

RE: Java in the database

2001-10-26 Thread Jared . Still 


I use Perl.  A lot.  The only thing it can't do is wash my car.

I'm working on that. :)

How about 200k sessions per hour?  2.5 million pages per hour?

http://www.perl.com/pub/a/2001/10/17/etoys.html

Jared



   
 
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So a huge Trading exchange written in Perl?
Not sure about that.  Perl is cool, but I couldn't see it used for
everything.

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PL/SQL in the database, Perl everywhere else.

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RE: Java in the database

2001-10-26 Thread Jim Conboy 



Christopher-
 
Do you have first-hand experience with the performance of Orion, either 
within iAS or as a stand-alone servlet engine?  The '5x faster' seems to 
come from an Oracle source, which I suspect is referring to Java stored and 
executed within Oracle.  I'm not sure whether Orion as a stand-alone 
product can make the same claim.  Then again I'm a DBA, not an experienced 
Java developer, and am finding it a bit confusing to wade thru the 
alphabet soup.
 
I have a 3rd-party app to install that needs 'any J2EE-compliant' java 
servlet engine.  I'm looking for something that will provide good 
scalability at a good price.  The price is right, if Orion scales well then 
maybe I won't need iAS for this server since I don't need all the other goodies 
that comes along with it.  If you have any real-world indications of 
scalability I'd appreciate hearing from you.  Thanks.
 
Jim
>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 10/26/01 02:51PM 
>>>

Take a look at 
OrionServer (www.orionserver.com) 
 at $1,500 / server and 5x faster 
than Web Logic, I would wonder why people would use others.  And OAS9i uses Orion as the core 
now.
 
 

"Do not criticize 
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them, you are a mile a way and have their shoes."
Christopher 
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Jan-

 

I've heard some concerns about the 
scalability of Tomcat as an app server.  Of course, some of those concerns 
are voiced by guys like Oracle and BEA who have a nice little Java engine to 
sell you for $10-20K per CPU.  I know a lot of people use Tomcat for 
prototypes and such, then go with one of the big boys for the production 
system.  Have you - or anyone else - had Tomcat working in a 
production environment with, say, 100-200 concurrent users?  
Thanks.

 

Jim>>> 
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PL/SQL. 
Java code only on Tomcat-Jakarta (Apache). 
JP 
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RE: Java in the database

2001-10-26 Thread Deepak Thapliyal 

feels good to be re-assured .. even if its a friday.
anyways with the .com bubble burst, java seems back in
the coffe pot for now at least.

hope pl/sql is around too;

Deepak


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> Actually I believe it will be, in 9i they clearly
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> "Do not criticize someone until you walked a mile in
> their shoes, that way
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> have their shoes."
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> Still PL/SQL.
> Hope, it will be supported long enough. (till my
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RE: Java in the database

2001-10-26 Thread Jamadagni, Rajendra 

In a recent class, the instructor mentioned that since JAVA came into
picture, there is an internal race between pl/sql team and java team. One
example of that can be seen at pl/sql native compilation facility. He said,
there is more to come. So don't throw away your pl/sql knowledge, it's in
for the long run.

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RE: Java in the database

2001-10-26 Thread Christopher Spence 

Actually I believe it will be, in 9i they clearly made some improvements
(very notable ones) in PL/SQL.  I would suspect it will be around for a
while.

"Do not criticize someone until you walked a mile in their shoes, that way
when you criticize them, you are a mile a way and have their shoes."

Christopher R. Spence 
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Still PL/SQL.
Hope, it will be supported long enough. (till my retirement? :)

Igor Neyman, OCP DBA
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Out of curiosity, is anyone using the java engine for procedural code, or
are most people still using PL/SQL?

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RE: Java in the database

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Take a look at OrionServer (www.orionserver.com)  at $1,500 / server and 5x faster than Web
Logic, I would wonder why people would use others.  And OAS9i uses Orion as the core now.

 

 



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Jan-





 





I've heard some concerns about the
scalability of Tomcat as an app server.  Of course, some of those concerns
are voiced by guys like Oracle and BEA who have a nice little Java engine to
sell you for $10-20K per CPU.  I know a lot of people use Tomcat for
prototypes and such, then go with one of the big boys for the production
system.  Have you - or anyone else - had Tomcat working in a production
environment with, say, 100-200 concurrent users?  Thanks.





 





Jim

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PL/SQL. 
Java code only on Tomcat-Jakarta (Apache). 

JP 

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> are most people still using PL/SQL? 
> 
> Regards, 
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RE: Java in the database

2001-10-26 Thread Christopher Spence 

So a huge Trading exchange written in Perl?  
Not sure about that.  Perl is cool, but I couldn't see it used for
everything.

"Do not criticize someone until you walked a mile in their shoes, that way
when you criticize them, you are a mile a way and have their shoes."

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PL/SQL in the database, Perl everywhere else.

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Re: Java in the database

2001-10-26 Thread Jan Pruner 

I don't know details about Oracle App server 'cause I'm no Java freak :-)

I have purchased Oracle 9i App Server v.1.0.2.1 for developing
and our developers told me don't purchase Oracle App Server for production, 
because it's Apache with Tomcat and we are not using special features of OAS.

I have to ask them to know more details.

JP

On Fri 26. October 2001 18:40, you wrote:
> Jan-
> Please do let us know how you do with 500 users.
> "Oracle App Server = Apache + Tomcat"
> Is this true?  I know that "Oracle HTTP Server" (ha ha) is basically
> Apache.  And I know that the Oracle Jserver was basically the Jserv
> precursor to Tomcat.  But I thought 8.1.7 and 9i came with a new servlet. 
> I looked on Metalink and couldn't tell, is that 'new' java servlet really
> Tomcat?
>
> Jim
>
> >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 10/26/01 10:50AM >>>
> :
> :-)
>
> Wait 2 weeks and I will tell you how is it running up to 500 people.
> "Oracle and BEA who have a nice little Java engine to sell you "
> It has only other product name, but inside is it the same
> Oracle App Server = Apache + Tomcat
> JP


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Re: Java in the database

2001-10-26 Thread Jan Pruner 

Do you mean Oracle Database Cache?

JP

On Fri 26. October 2001 18:25, you wrote:
> We have a production application using Tomcat and Oracle, but it's
> primarily long-running "batch" processes with a small number of web users
> (3-4).  For the second phase, completed in a couple of weeks, we will have
> 200-300 users but they will be doing light work with displaying a simple
> report screen.
>
> As far as Oracle App Server, it can be implemented with Java in Tomcat or
> more commonly, Java in the database.  So the equation below is only one
> approach.  The usual approach is actually using a special purpose database
> on the App Server that runs all the Java.  It's somewhat disguised, but
> that's the way it really works.
>
> Marc Perkowitz
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>
> > :-)
> >
> > Wait 2 weeks and I will tell you how is it running up to 500 people.
> >
> > "Oracle and BEA who have a nice little Java engine to sell you "
> > It has only other product name, but inside is it the same
> >
> > Oracle App Server = Apache + Tomcat
> >
> > JP
> >
> > On Fri 26. October 2001 15:50, you wrote:
> > > Jan-
> > >
> > > I've heard some concerns about the scalability of Tomcat as an app
>
> server.
>
> > > Of course, some of those concerns are voiced by guys like Oracle and
> > > BEA who have a nice little Java engine to sell you for $10-20K per CPU.
> > >  I
>
> know
>
> > > a lot of people use Tomcat for prototypes and such, then go with one of
>
> the
>
> > > big boys for the production system.  Have you - or anyone else - had
>
> Tomcat
>
> > > working in a production environment with, say, 100-200 concurrent
> > > users? Thanks.
> > >
> > > Jim
> > >
> > > >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 10/26/01 08:35AM >>>
> > >
> > > PL/SQL.
> > > Java code only on Tomcat-Jakarta (Apache).
> > > JP
> > >
> > > On Thu 25. October 2001 19:16, you wrote:
> > > > Out of curiosity, is anyone using the java engine for procedural
> > > > code,
>
> or
>
> > > > are most people still using PL/SQL?
> > > >
> > > > Regards,
> > > > Patrice Boivin
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Re: Java in the database

2001-10-26 Thread Jim Conboy 



Jan-
Please do let us know how you do with 500 users.
"Oracle App Server = Apache + Tomcat"
Is this true?  I know that "Oracle HTTP Server" (ha ha) is 
basically Apache.  And I know that the Oracle Jserver was basically the 
Jserv precursor to Tomcat.  But I thought 8.1.7 and 9i came with a new 
servlet.  I looked on Metalink and couldn't tell, is that 'new' java 
servlet really Tomcat?
 
Jim
>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 10/26/01 10:50AM >>>
:-) Wait 2 weeks and I will tell you how 
is it running up to 500 people. 
"Oracle and BEA who have a nice little Java engine to sell you 
" It has only other product name, but inside is it the 
same 
Oracle App Server = Apache + Tomcat 
JP

Re: Java in the database

2001-10-26 Thread Marc Perkowitz 

We have a production application using Tomcat and Oracle, but it's primarily
long-running "batch" processes with a small number of web users (3-4).  For
the second phase, completed in a couple of weeks, we will have 200-300 users
but they will be doing light work with displaying a simple report screen.

As far as Oracle App Server, it can be implemented with Java in Tomcat or
more commonly, Java in the database.  So the equation below is only one
approach.  The usual approach is actually using a special purpose database
on the App Server that runs all the Java.  It's somewhat disguised, but
that's the way it really works.

Marc Perkowitz

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> :-)
> Wait 2 weeks and I will tell you how is it running up to 500 people.
>
> "Oracle and BEA who have a nice little Java engine to sell you "
> It has only other product name, but inside is it the same
>
> Oracle App Server = Apache + Tomcat
>
> JP
>
> On Fri 26. October 2001 15:50, you wrote:
> > Jan-
> >
> > I've heard some concerns about the scalability of Tomcat as an app
server.
> > Of course, some of those concerns are voiced by guys like Oracle and BEA
> > who have a nice little Java engine to sell you for $10-20K per CPU.  I
know
> > a lot of people use Tomcat for prototypes and such, then go with one of
the
> > big boys for the production system.  Have you - or anyone else - had
Tomcat
> > working in a production environment with, say, 100-200 concurrent users?
> > Thanks.
> >
> > Jim
> >
> > >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 10/26/01 08:35AM >>>
> >
> > PL/SQL.
> > Java code only on Tomcat-Jakarta (Apache).
> > JP
> >
> > On Thu 25. October 2001 19:16, you wrote:
> > > Out of curiosity, is anyone using the java engine for procedural code,
or
> > > are most people still using PL/SQL?
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Patrice Boivin
> > > Systems Analyst (Oracle Certified DBA)
> > >
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RE: Java in the database

2001-10-26 Thread Boivin, Patrice J 

Thanks Jan, I was just curious because here, we are using PL/SQL and the New
Features course for 8i made such a big deal out of Java in the database.  I
took the course when 8.1.5. had been released and no patches were yet
available.

I don't know how the economic slump will affect "new" projects like those
that would convert apps to Java or adding new Java apps to database servers.
Here we seem to be continuing along the same line we were following for the
past couple of years.

Regards,
Patrice Boivin
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:-)
Wait 2 weeks and I will tell you how is it running up to 500 people.

"Oracle and BEA who have a nice little Java engine to sell you "
It has only other product name, but inside is it the same

Oracle App Server = Apache + Tomcat

JP

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Re: Java in the database

2001-10-26 Thread Stefan Jahnke 

Hi,

as far as you only use servlets and jsp, both Oracle and IBM took a very close
look at Apache + Tomcat. Websphere is basically "Apache" inside, just like OAS.

bye,
Stefan

Jan Pruner schrieb:

> :-)
> Wait 2 weeks and I will tell you how is it running up to 500 people.
>
> "Oracle and BEA who have a nice little Java engine to sell you "
> It has only other product name, but inside is it the same
>
> Oracle App Server = Apache + Tomcat
>
> JP
>
> On Fri 26. October 2001 15:50, you wrote:
> > Jan-
> >
> > I've heard some concerns about the scalability of Tomcat as an app server.
> > Of course, some of those concerns are voiced by guys like Oracle and BEA
> > who have a nice little Java engine to sell you for $10-20K per CPU.  I know
> > a lot of people use Tomcat for prototypes and such, then go with one of the
> > big boys for the production system.  Have you - or anyone else - had Tomcat
> > working in a production environment with, say, 100-200 concurrent users?
> > Thanks.
> >
> > Jim
> >
> > >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 10/26/01 08:35AM >>>
> >
> > PL/SQL.
> > Java code only on Tomcat-Jakarta (Apache).
> > JP
> >
> > On Thu 25. October 2001 19:16, you wrote:
> > > Out of curiosity, is anyone using the java engine for procedural code, or
> > > are most people still using PL/SQL?
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Patrice Boivin
> > > Systems Analyst (Oracle Certified DBA)
> > >
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Re: Java in the database

2001-10-26 Thread Jan Pruner 

:-)
Wait 2 weeks and I will tell you how is it running up to 500 people.

"Oracle and BEA who have a nice little Java engine to sell you "
It has only other product name, but inside is it the same

Oracle App Server = Apache + Tomcat

JP

On Fri 26. October 2001 15:50, you wrote:
> Jan-
>
> I've heard some concerns about the scalability of Tomcat as an app server. 
> Of course, some of those concerns are voiced by guys like Oracle and BEA
> who have a nice little Java engine to sell you for $10-20K per CPU.  I know
> a lot of people use Tomcat for prototypes and such, then go with one of the
> big boys for the production system.  Have you - or anyone else - had Tomcat
> working in a production environment with, say, 100-200 concurrent users? 
> Thanks.
>
> Jim
>
> >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 10/26/01 08:35AM >>>
>
> PL/SQL.
> Java code only on Tomcat-Jakarta (Apache).
> JP
>
> On Thu 25. October 2001 19:16, you wrote:
> > Out of curiosity, is anyone using the java engine for procedural code, or
> > are most people still using PL/SQL?
> >
> > Regards,
> > Patrice Boivin
> > Systems Analyst (Oracle Certified DBA)
> >
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Re: Java in the database

2001-10-26 Thread Jim Conboy 



Jan-
 
I've heard some concerns about the scalability of Tomcat as an app 
server.  Of course, some of those concerns are voiced by guys like Oracle 
and BEA who have a nice little Java engine to sell you for $10-20K per 
CPU.  I know a lot of people use Tomcat for prototypes and such, then go 
with one of the big boys for the production system.  Have you - or anyone 
else - had Tomcat working in a production environment with, say, 100-200 
concurrent users?  Thanks.
 
Jim>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 10/26/01 08:35AM 
>>>
PL/SQL. Java code only on Tomcat-Jakarta 
(Apache). 
JP 
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Re: Java in the database

2001-10-26 Thread Jan Pruner 

PL/SQL.
Java code only on Tomcat-Jakarta (Apache).

JP

On Thu 25. October 2001 19:16, you wrote:
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>
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Re: Java in the database

2001-10-25 Thread Jared . Still 


PL/SQL in the database, Perl everywhere else.

Jared



   

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Re: Java in the database

2001-10-25 Thread Igor Neyman 

Still PL/SQL.
Hope, it will be supported long enough. (till my retirement? :)

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Re: Java in the database

2001-10-25 Thread Jeff Wiegard 

Yes, I'd be interested to hear about peoples experience too. We developed a web portal 
for WWWRRR Inc. It was a Servlet framework. We found more success avoiding Oracle's 
Java technologies, as you're stuck with outdated Java classes, and/or Oracle-specific 
Java classes. Try getting the OCI drivers to work. It is an effort of a scale similar 
to the hunt for Osama ...

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Out of curiosity, is anyone using the java engine for procedural code, or
are most people still using PL/SQL?

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