RE: Oracle 10i features

2002-11-25 Thread Johnston, Tim
I'm not sure I'd go that far...  Old habits (and prejudices) die hard...

:-)

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Look for it to improve dramatically.

I might even try to use it.

Jared

On Sunday 17 November 2002 06:13, J. Laurindo Chiappa wrote:
 Jared, just a thought :  ** WHY **  Oracle experts charged in OEM
 developmentcan´t do anything close - fast, sweet  simple , just to the
 point ?? Until now, OEM is just a pile of *hit, plain  simple.

  Regards,

   Chiappa

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 On 13/11/02 at 05:23 Jared Still wrote:
 Check out OraC, written in Perl of course.  :)
 
 http://www.tux.org/orac-dba/
 
 Jared
 
 On Tuesday 12 November 2002 11:13, Jesse, Rich wrote:
  Good grief.  Like I'm going to go through all of that overhead and
  hassle? And isn't 9iAS a separately licensable (read: cost) option,
  even if you're already licensed for EE?
 
  I think I'm reading the same PDF you were, Raj:
 
  The Console interacts with the Oracle Management Service, which, as a
  J2EE Web Application hosted by an Oracle9i application Server,
leverages
  all of the reliability, scalability, and robustness of the Oracle9iAS
  instance.
 
  I wish I has time to work on the KISS-method OEM replacement I
  started... sigh
 
  Rich
 
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  New EM4.0 (announced today) has a bunch of new features ... was just
  reading the PDF ... but it needs 9iAS ... that is a bummer ... more
info
  on oracle website ...
 
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RE: Oracle 10i features

2002-11-25 Thread Rachel Carmichael
ah, but the people working on it have changed.

Gaja Krishna Vaidyanatha
John Beresniewicz
James Morle

to name just a few


--- Johnston, Tim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I'm not sure I'd go that far...  Old habits (and prejudices) die
 hard...
 
 :-)
 
 -Original Message-
 Sent: Saturday, November 23, 2002 9:24 PM
 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
 
 
 
 Look for it to improve dramatically.
 
 I might even try to use it.
 
 Jared
 
 On Sunday 17 November 2002 06:13, J. Laurindo Chiappa wrote:
  Jared, just a thought :  ** WHY **  Oracle experts charged in OEM
  developmentcan´t do anything close - fast, sweet  simple , just to
 the
  point ?? Until now, OEM is just a pile of *hit, plain  simple.
 
   Regards,
 
Chiappa
 
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  On 13/11/02 at 05:23 Jared Still wrote:
  Check out OraC, written in Perl of course.  :)
  
  http://www.tux.org/orac-dba/
  
  Jared
  
  On Tuesday 12 November 2002 11:13, Jesse, Rich wrote:
   Good grief.  Like I'm going to go through all of that overhead
 and
   hassle? And isn't 9iAS a separately licensable (read: cost)
 option,
   even if you're already licensed for EE?
  
   I think I'm reading the same PDF you were, Raj:
  
   The Console interacts with the Oracle Management Service,
 which, as a
   J2EE Web Application hosted by an Oracle9i application Server,
 leverages
   all of the reliability, scalability, and robustness of the
 Oracle9iAS
   instance.
  
   I wish I has time to work on the KISS-method OEM replacement I
   started... sigh
  
   Rich
  
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 Administrator
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 Sussex,
 WI
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   New EM4.0 (announced today) has a bunch of new features ... was
 just
   reading the PDF ... but it needs 9iAS ... that is a bummer ...
 more
 info
   on oracle website ...
  
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RE: Oracle 10i features

2002-11-25 Thread Freeman, Robert
I am confident that we will see some good things out of OEM in the
future Knowing who is working on it now, and knowing what they have done
in the past, I've got a high degree of confidence


...AND expectation!!

:-))

Robert

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Oracle Database Architect
CSX Midtier Database Administration
Author of several Oracle books you can find on Amazon.com!

Londo Mollari: Ah, arrogance and stupidity all in the same package. How
efficient of you. 

 



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I'm not sure I'd go that far...  Old habits (and prejudices) die hard...

:-)

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Look for it to improve dramatically.

I might even try to use it.

Jared

On Sunday 17 November 2002 06:13, J. Laurindo Chiappa wrote:
 Jared, just a thought :  ** WHY **  Oracle experts charged in OEM
 developmentcan´t do anything close - fast, sweet  simple , just to the
 point ?? Until now, OEM is just a pile of *hit, plain  simple.

  Regards,

   Chiappa

 *** REPLY SEPARATOR  ***

 On 13/11/02 at 05:23 Jared Still wrote:
 Check out OraC, written in Perl of course.  :)
 
 http://www.tux.org/orac-dba/
 
 Jared
 
 On Tuesday 12 November 2002 11:13, Jesse, Rich wrote:
  Good grief.  Like I'm going to go through all of that overhead and
  hassle? And isn't 9iAS a separately licensable (read: cost) option,
  even if you're already licensed for EE?
 
  I think I'm reading the same PDF you were, Raj:
 
  The Console interacts with the Oracle Management Service, which, as a
  J2EE Web Application hosted by an Oracle9i application Server,
leverages
  all of the reliability, scalability, and robustness of the Oracle9iAS
  instance.
 
  I wish I has time to work on the KISS-method OEM replacement I
  started... sigh
 
  Rich
 
  --
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  [EMAIL PROTECTED]  Quad/Tech International, Sussex,
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  USA
 
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  New EM4.0 (announced today) has a bunch of new features ... was just
  reading the PDF ... but it needs 9iAS ... that is a bummer ... more
info
  on oracle website ...
 
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Re: Oracle 10i features

2002-11-23 Thread Jared Still

Look for it to improve dramatically.

I might even try to use it.

Jared

On Sunday 17 November 2002 06:13, J. Laurindo Chiappa wrote:
 Jared, just a thought :  ** WHY **  Oracle experts charged in OEM
 developmentcan´t do anything close - fast, sweet  simple , just to the
 point ?? Until now, OEM is just a pile of *hit, plain  simple.

  Regards,

   Chiappa

 *** REPLY SEPARATOR  ***

 On 13/11/02 at 05:23 Jared Still wrote:
 Check out OraC, written in Perl of course.  :)
 
 http://www.tux.org/orac-dba/
 
 Jared
 
 On Tuesday 12 November 2002 11:13, Jesse, Rich wrote:
  Good grief.  Like I'm going to go through all of that overhead and
  hassle? And isn't 9iAS a separately licensable (read: cost) option,
  even if you're already licensed for EE?
 
  I think I'm reading the same PDF you were, Raj:
 
  The Console interacts with the Oracle Management Service, which, as a
  J2EE Web Application hosted by an Oracle9i application Server, leverages
  all of the reliability, scalability, and robustness of the Oracle9iAS
  instance.
 
  I wish I has time to work on the KISS-method OEM replacement I
  started... sigh
 
  Rich
 
  --
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  [EMAIL PROTECTED]  Quad/Tech International, Sussex, WI
  USA
 
  -Original Message-
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  To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
 
 
  New EM4.0 (announced today) has a bunch of new features ... was just
  reading the PDF ... but it needs 9iAS ... that is a bummer ... more info
  on oracle website ...
 
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Re: Oracle 10i features

2002-11-17 Thread J. Laurindo Chiappa
Jared, just a thought :  ** WHY **  Oracle experts charged in OEM developmentcan´t do 
anything close - fast, sweet  simple , just to the point ?? Until now, OEM is just a 
pile of *hit, plain  simple.

 Regards,

  Chiappa

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On 13/11/02 at 05:23 Jared Still wrote:

Check out OraC, written in Perl of course.  :)

http://www.tux.org/orac-dba/

Jared


On Tuesday 12 November 2002 11:13, Jesse, Rich wrote:
 Good grief.  Like I'm going to go through all of that overhead and hassle?
 And isn't 9iAS a separately licensable (read: cost) option, even if
 you're already licensed for EE?

 I think I'm reading the same PDF you were, Raj:

 The Console interacts with the Oracle Management Service, which, as a J2EE
 Web Application hosted by an Oracle9i application Server, leverages all of
 the reliability, scalability, and robustness of the Oracle9iAS instance.

 I wish I has time to work on the KISS-method OEM replacement I started...
 sigh

 Rich

 --
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 USA

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 reading the PDF ... but it needs 9iAS ... that is a bummer ... more info on
 oracle website ...
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RE: Oracle 10i features

2002-11-14 Thread Hately, Mike (NESL-IT)
9iAS R2 is a terrible install. A complicated process further confused by
poor instructions.

Mike

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No, installing 9iAS is a 250 mph breeze. One definition of a tornado is
a very strong breeze.
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Only if they make installing 9iAs a breeze ... I have heard stories that
9iAS installation is not a picnic ... 
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RE: Oracle 10i features

2002-11-14 Thread Charlie_Mengler

In addition to 9iAS R2 being a terrible install,
it is riddled with bugs and a total beast to get operational!

I'll give folks another example.
If/when you HOST out from a 9i Form
your Unix process environment is populated with about 18 environmental
variables.
The problem is that NONE of the following are defined; HOME, LOGNAME, PATH!
So the poor process doesn't know who he is, which way is home and has
limited
ability to even find any executable; which make scripting a REAL challenge.



   
  
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9iAS R2 is a terrible install. A complicated process further confused by
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Mike

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No, installing 9iAS is a 250 mph breeze. One definition of a tornado is
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Only if they make installing 9iAs a breeze ... I have heard stories that
9iAS installation is not a picnic ...
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Re: Oracle 10i features

2002-11-13 Thread Yechiel Adar
Thanks for the link Jared.
For now, I just bookmarker it.

Yechiel Adar
Mehish
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 Check out OraC, written in Perl of course.  :)

 http://www.tux.org/orac-dba/

 Jared


 On Tuesday 12 November 2002 11:13, Jesse, Rich wrote:
  Good grief.  Like I'm going to go through all of that overhead and
hassle?
  And isn't 9iAS a separately licensable (read: cost) option, even if
  you're already licensed for EE?
 
  I think I'm reading the same PDF you were, Raj:
 
  The Console interacts with the Oracle Management Service, which, as a
J2EE
  Web Application hosted by an Oracle9i application Server, leverages all
of
  the reliability, scalability, and robustness of the Oracle9iAS
instance.
 
  I wish I has time to work on the KISS-method OEM replacement I
started...
  sigh
 
  Rich
 
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  reading the PDF ... but it needs 9iAS ... that is a bummer ... more info
on
  oracle website ...
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RE: Oracle 10i features

2002-11-13 Thread Gogala, Mladen
Title: RE: Oracle 10i features



No, 
installing 9iAS is a 250 mph breeze. One definition of a tornado 
is
"a 
very strong breeze".

  -Original Message-From: Jamadagni, Rajendra 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 
  2002 8:03 AMTo: Multiple recipients of list 
  ORACLE-LSubject: RE: Oracle 10i features
  Only if they make installing 9iAs a breeze ... I have heard 
  stories that 9iAS installation is not a picnic ... 
  Raj __ Rajendra Jamadagni 
   MIS, ESPN Inc. Rajendra dot Jamadagni at ESPN dot com Any 
  opinion expressed here is personal and doesn't reflect that of ESPN Inc. 
  QOTD: Any clod can have facts, but having an opinion 
  is an art! 
  -Original Message- From: 
  Boivin, Patrice J [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
  Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 2:58 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: RE: Oracle 10i features 
  iDS9iRel2 is quite a suite, it includes Designer now. 
  
  So... in one suite... Apache + Developer Server (Forms + 
  Reports + Graphics) + Discoverer + Portal + Designer + 
  Web Cache + Internet Cache + Wireless Portal + DAD 
  administration + OEM Management Server all in one easy to use kit. 
  What's wrong with packaging the Oracle rdbms in there 
  too? I don't understand what all the fuss is 
  about. 


RE: Oracle 10i features

2002-11-12 Thread Gogala, Mladen
.NET?

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Re: Oracle 10i features

2002-11-12 Thread Tim Gorman
Better I/O and storage management facilities, possibly a universal datafile
format across all computing platforms...

Certainly a much-improved OEM product, seeing as how they now have Gaja
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RE: Oracle 10i features

2002-11-12 Thread Gogala, Mladen
Working change management pack would be a good start.

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 Better I/O and storage management facilities, possibly a 
 universal datafile
 format across all computing platforms...
 
 Certainly a much-improved OEM product, seeing as how they now 
 have Gaja
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 incredible people
 working on that product team...
 
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RE: Oracle 10i features

2002-11-12 Thread Boivin, Patrice J
OEM 4.0 was announced recently, check the otn pages.

Pat.

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Re: Oracle 10i features

2002-11-12 Thread Jan Pruner
MS Word as SQL editor?
MS Excel as sqlplus?
Outlook as Instance Manager?

:-)

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RE: Oracle 10i features

2002-11-12 Thread Jamadagni, Rajendra
Title: RE: Oracle 10i features





New EM4.0 (announced today) has a bunch of new features ... was just reading the PDF ... but it needs 9iAS ... that is a bummer ... more info on oracle website ...

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RE: Oracle 10i features

2002-11-12 Thread Mark Leith
I've heard rumours of OEM being ported to PDA platforms (a la PocketDBA) -
has anybody else heard this, or now of any further info out there?

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OEM 4.0 was announced recently, check the otn pages.

Pat.

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RE: Oracle 10i features

2002-11-12 Thread Mirsky, Greg
Are you trying to KILL the product with MS bloat-ware?

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:-)

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RE: Oracle 10i features

2002-11-12 Thread Sherman, Edward
Get thee to the SQL Server!!!

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RE: Oracle 10i features

2002-11-12 Thread Gogala, Mladen
Nope, I'm just preparing  software for Mr. David Bowman
and the Discovery.

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Re: Oracle 10i features

2002-11-12 Thread Jan Pruner
Blah, you DON'T understand it.
This will be the biggest upgrade of Oracle software in last 15 year.
The administrators get possibility to enjoy first time the power of mutimedia, 
network and great user interface like dekstop users have.
Till today poor administrators have to work with command line and use absurd 
SSH to connect to server (Don't tell me you still use VIM!).
Now you will get the enhanced XP desktop with variable skins and virtual 
desktops!!!

:-)

On Tuesday 12 November 2002 17:54, you wrote:
 Are you trying to KILL the product with MS bloat-ware?

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 MS Word as SQL editor?
 MS Excel as sqlplus?
 Outlook as Instance Manager?

 :-)

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   Any rumours about what might be included in 10i?
  
  
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Re: Oracle 10i features

2002-11-12 Thread Tim Gorman
I can't let you do that, Dave.

Stop.  Stop.  Stop.  What are you doing, Dave?

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Nope, I'm just preparing  software for Mr. David Bowman
and the Discovery.

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 Are you trying to KILL the product with MS bloat-ware?

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 MS Word as SQL editor?
 MS Excel as sqlplus?
 Outlook as Instance Manager?

 :-)

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  .NET?
 
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   Any rumours about what might be included in 10i?
  
  
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Re: Oracle 10i features

2002-11-12 Thread Lyndon Tiu
Oracle XP ?

On Tuesday 12 November 2002 09:29 am, Jan Pruner wrote:
 Blah, you DON'T understand it.
 This will be the biggest upgrade of Oracle software in last 15 year.
 The administrators get possibility to enjoy first time the power of
 mutimedia, network and great user interface like dekstop users have.
 Till today poor administrators have to work with command line and use
 absurd SSH to connect to server (Don't tell me you still use VIM!).
 Now you will get the enhanced XP desktop with variable skins and virtual
 desktops!!!

 :-)

 On Tuesday 12 November 2002 17:54, you wrote:
  Are you trying to KILL the product with MS bloat-ware?
 
  -Original Message-
  Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 11:34 AM
  To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
 
 
  MS Word as SQL editor?
  MS Excel as sqlplus?
  Outlook as Instance Manager?
 
  :-)
 
  On Tuesday 12 November 2002 15:58, you wrote:
   .NET?
  
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Subject: Oracle 10i features
   
   
Any rumours about what might be included in 10i?
   
   
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Re: Oracle 10i features

2002-11-12 Thread Nicolai Tufar
It was just over a year ago when Larry
declared Oracle 9i the best database ever!





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Blah, you DON'T understand it.
This will be the biggest upgrade of Oracle software in last 15 year.
The administrators get possibility to enjoy first time the power of
mutimedia,
network and great user interface like dekstop users have.
Till today poor administrators have to work with command line and use absurd
SSH to connect to server (Don't tell me you still use VIM!).
Now you will get the enhanced XP desktop with variable skins and virtual
desktops!!!

:-)

On Tuesday 12 November 2002 17:54, you wrote:
 Are you trying to KILL the product with MS bloat-ware?

 -Original Message-
 Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 11:34 AM
 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L


 MS Word as SQL editor?
 MS Excel as sqlplus?
 Outlook as Instance Manager?

 :-)

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  .NET?
 
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   Subject: Oracle 10i features
  
  
   Any rumours about what might be included in 10i?
  
  
   Regards,
   Patrice Boivin
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   Systems Admin  Operations | Admin. et Exploit. des systèmes
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RE: Oracle 10i features

2002-11-12 Thread Stephen Lee
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 and virtual desktops!!! 
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Which Unix had YEARS ago ... except for the XP part.
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RE: Oracle 10i features

2002-11-12 Thread Jesse, Rich
Good grief.  Like I'm going to go through all of that overhead and hassle?
And isn't 9iAS a separately licensable (read: cost) option, even if you're
already licensed for EE?

I think I'm reading the same PDF you were, Raj:

The Console interacts with the Oracle Management Service, which, as a J2EE
Web Application hosted by an Oracle9i application Server, leverages all of
the reliability, scalability, and robustness of the Oracle9iAS instance.

I wish I has time to work on the KISS-method OEM replacement I started...
sigh

Rich

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New EM4.0 (announced today) has a bunch of new features ... was just reading
the PDF ... but it needs 9iAS ... that is a bummer ... more info on oracle
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RE: Oracle 10i features

2002-11-12 Thread Boivin, Patrice J
iDS9iRel2 is quite a suite, it includes Designer now.

So... in one suite... Apache + Developer Server (Forms + Reports + Graphics)
+ Discoverer + Portal + Designer + Web Cache + Internet Cache + Wireless
Portal + DAD administration + OEM Management Server all in one easy to use
kit.

What's wrong with packaging the Oracle rdbms in there too?  I don't
understand what all the fuss is about.

Regards,
Patrice Boivin
Systems Analyst (Oracle Certified DBA)

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Good grief.  Like I'm going to go through all of that overhead and hassle?
And isn't 9iAS a separately licensable (read: cost) option, even if you're
already licensed for EE?

I think I'm reading the same PDF you were, Raj:

The Console interacts with the Oracle Management Service, which, as a J2EE
Web Application hosted by an Oracle9i application Server, leverages all of
the reliability, scalability, and robustness of the Oracle9iAS instance.

I wish I has time to work on the KISS-method OEM replacement I started...
sigh

Rich

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RE: Oracle 10i features

2002-11-12 Thread Stephen Lee

KISS works very well!  It's called Korn Shell.  (Propeller-heads call it
bash. Heck if I know why.)  A very useful piece is netterm:

http://www.securenetterm.com/html/netterm.html


Oh yeah, I should mention: This doesn't work well with NT.

 
 I wish I has time to work on the KISS-method OEM replacement 
 I started...
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RE: Oracle 10i features

2002-11-12 Thread Jesse, Rich
For me, it's the other way around.  I've got the DB.  I don't need/want the
overhead of administering and maintaining the rest, especially if it'll cost
beaucoup bucks for things that we won't use.

Rich

Rich Jesse   System/Database Administrator
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 -Original Message-
 From: Boivin, Patrice J [mailto:BoivinP;mar.dfo-mpo.gc.ca]
 Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 1:58 PM
 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
 Subject: RE: Oracle 10i features
 
 
 iDS9iRel2 is quite a suite, it includes Designer now.
 
 So... in one suite... Apache + Developer Server (Forms + 
 Reports + Graphics)
 + Discoverer + Portal + Designer + Web Cache + Internet Cache 
 + Wireless
 Portal + DAD administration + OEM Management Server all in 
 one easy to use
 kit.
 
 What's wrong with packaging the Oracle rdbms in there too?  I don't
 understand what all the fuss is about.
 
 Regards,
 Patrice Boivin
 Systems Analyst (Oracle Certified DBA)
 
 -Original Message-
 Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 3:14 PM
 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
 
 
 Good grief.  Like I'm going to go through all of that 
 overhead and hassle?
 And isn't 9iAS a separately licensable (read: cost) option, 
 even if you're
 already licensed for EE?
 
 I think I'm reading the same PDF you were, Raj:
 
 The Console interacts with the Oracle Management Service, 
 which, as a J2EE
 Web Application hosted by an Oracle9i application Server, 
 leverages all of
 the reliability, scalability, and robustness of the 
 Oracle9iAS instance.
 
 I wish I has time to work on the KISS-method OEM replacement 
 I started...
 sigh
 
 Rich
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