RE: Oracle Books on Audio Tapes

2001-03-29 Thread lerobe - Lee Robertson

Hate to out a dampener on all of this but the guy could be blind.

 


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You know he could be listening to it in his sleep too! Sub-conscious levels
and all that..

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try
1. get one of those text to voice tools from download.com
2. next keep a tape recorder near ur comp speakers
3. capture all the text from oracle manuals/soft copy of books(which u can
find from the ru domains) and convert to voice
4. enjoy the casette while driving to work


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 Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2001 8:51 PM
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 Long drive to work ..eh ??

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   Is there any place where we can get Oracle books  on Tape
 (Audio tapes or
  CD's)
 
  RK
 
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RE: Oracle Books on Audio Tapes

2001-03-29 Thread Mark Leith

You know he could be listening to it in his sleep too! Sub-conscious levels
and all that..

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Ghosalkar
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try
1. get one of those text to voice tools from download.com
2. next keep a tape recorder near ur comp speakers
3. capture all the text from oracle manuals/soft copy of books(which u can
find from the ru domains) and convert to voice
4. enjoy the casette while driving to work


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 From: Deshpande, Kirti [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2001 8:51 PM
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 Subject: RE: Oracle Books on Audio Tapes


 Long drive to work ..eh ??

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   Is there any place where we can get Oracle books  on Tape
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RE: Oracle Books on Audio Tapes

2001-03-29 Thread Shankar Shanmugaswamy

Hi,

Further to the mail sent , I couldn't find the right one in Download.com
can you help me,  to download the same.

S.S

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You know he could be listening to it in his sleep too! Sub-conscious levels
and all that..

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try
1. get one of those text to voice tools from download.com
2. next keep a tape recorder near ur comp speakers
3. capture all the text from oracle manuals/soft copy of books(which u can
find from the ru domains) and convert to voice
4. enjoy the casette while driving to work


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 From: Deshpande, Kirti [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
 Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2001 8:51 PM
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 Subject: RE: Oracle Books on Audio Tapes


 Long drive to work ..eh ??

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   Is there any place where we can get Oracle books  on Tape
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  CD's)
 
  RK
 
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Re: Oracle Books on Audio Tapes

2001-03-29 Thread dana


--- Apps Sol [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Is there any place where we can get Oracle books  on Tape (Audio
 tapes or CD's) 
 RK


I doubt it. From what I understand, audio books are primarily made from
best-selling fiction. What non-fiction audio books exist are probably
limited to stuff with the broadest general appeal (best-sellers).

I've personally never heard of technical books on tape/audio CD.
However, you might be able to make your own, rather tediously, if you
receive a PDF version along with a "dead tree" technical book.

1. Copy-paste the text from the PDF to your word processor of choice.
2. Use text-to-speech software to creave WAV files
3. Burn to CD.

Or, you may want to purchase some Oracle Computer-Based-Training CDROMs
and burn the audio tracks to an audio CD(if they're in a standard audio
format or a format you could convert to WAVs) - or convert and download
to an MP3 player. That's probably your best choice, though an expensive
one.

 - Dana



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Re: Oracle Books on Audio Tapes

2001-03-29 Thread Apps Sol

Yeph.. see I am blind and at the same time I can type too.. can U read
this???

rk


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 Hate to out a dampener on all of this but the guy could be blind.

 


 -Original Message-
 Sent: 29 March 2001 11:50
 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L


 You know he could be listening to it in his sleep too! Sub-conscious
levels
 and all that..

 -Original Message-
 Ghosalkar
 Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2001 04:45
 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L


 try
 1. get one of those text to voice tools from download.com
 2. next keep a tape recorder near ur comp speakers
 3. capture all the text from oracle manuals/soft copy of books(which u can
 find from the ru domains) and convert to voice
 4. enjoy the casette while driving to work


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  Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2001 8:51 PM
  To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
  Subject: RE: Oracle Books on Audio Tapes
 
 
  Long drive to work ..eh ??
 
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   Subject: Oracle Books on Audio Tapes
  
Is there any place where we can get Oracle books  on Tape
  (Audio tapes or
   CD's)
  
   RK
  
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RE: Oracle Books on Audio Tapes

2001-03-29 Thread Boivin, Patrice J

Also, for Oracle 7 at least, the documentation is about 10,000 pages long,
that would take a lot of tapes.

Regards,

Patrice Boivin
Systems Analyst (Oracle DBA)
Bedford Institute of Oceanography
Fisheries and Oceans Canada



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 From: dana 
 Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2001 10:36 AM
 To:   Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
 Subject:  Re: Oracle Books on Audio Tapes
 
 
 --- Apps Sol [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   Is there any place where we can get Oracle books  on Tape (Audio
  tapes or CD's) 
  RK
 
 
 I doubt it. From what I understand, audio books are primarily made from
 best-selling fiction. What non-fiction audio books exist are probably
 limited to stuff with the broadest general appeal (best-sellers).
 
 I've personally never heard of technical books on tape/audio CD.
 However, you might be able to make your own, rather tediously, if you
 receive a PDF version along with a "dead tree" technical book.
 
 1. Copy-paste the text from the PDF to your word processor of choice.
 2. Use text-to-speech software to creave WAV files
 3. Burn to CD.
 
 Or, you may want to purchase some Oracle Computer-Based-Training CDROMs
 and burn the audio tracks to an audio CD(if they're in a standard audio
 format or a format you could convert to WAVs) - or convert and download
 to an MP3 player. That's probably your best choice, though an expensive
 one.
 
  - Dana
 
 
 
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RE: Oracle Books on Audio Tapes

2001-03-29 Thread lerobe - Lee Robertson

Dear me - is it my job today to get sarcastic jibes thrown at me. Whose turn
is it tomorrow. 

You said originally

   Is there any place where we can get Oracle books  on Tape
(Audio tapes or CD's)
  
   RK

You could have been getting them for a blind colleague.

Oh sod it - why do I bother.

at least its Friday tomorrow. I wonder what the recipe will be..

lightly grilled Lee ?

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Yeph.. see I am blind and at the same time I can type too.. can U read
this???

rk


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 Hate to out a dampener on all of this but the guy could be blind.

 


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 Sent: 29 March 2001 11:50
 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L


 You know he could be listening to it in his sleep too! Sub-conscious
levels
 and all that..

 -Original Message-
 Ghosalkar
 Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2001 04:45
 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L


 try
 1. get one of those text to voice tools from download.com
 2. next keep a tape recorder near ur comp speakers
 3. capture all the text from oracle manuals/soft copy of books(which u can
 find from the ru domains) and convert to voice
 4. enjoy the casette while driving to work


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  Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2001 8:51 PM
  To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
  Subject: RE: Oracle Books on Audio Tapes
 
 
  Long drive to work ..eh ??
 
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   Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2001 6:21 PM
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   Subject: Oracle Books on Audio Tapes
  
Is there any place where we can get Oracle books  on Tape
  (Audio tapes or
   CD's)
  
   RK
  
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RE: Oracle Books on Audio Tapes

2001-03-29 Thread cameron_michelis


You can search the Oracle Documentation online at
http://www.oracletuning.com



   

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Also, for Oracle 7 at least, the documentation is about 10,000 pages long,
that would take a lot of tapes.

Regards,

Patrice Boivin
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Bedford Institute of Oceanography
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 --- Apps Sol [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   Is there any place where we can get Oracle books  on Tape (Audio
  tapes or CD's)
  RK


 I doubt it. From what I understand, audio books are primarily made from
 best-selling fiction. What non-fiction audio books exist are probably
 limited to stuff with the broadest general appeal (best-sellers).

 I've personally never heard of technical books on tape/audio CD.
 However, you might be able to make your own, rather tediously, if you
 receive a PDF version along with a "dead tree" technical book.

 1. Copy-paste the text from the PDF to your word processor of choice.
 2. Use text-to-speech software to creave WAV files
 3. Burn to CD.

 Or, you may want to purchase some Oracle Computer-Based-Training CDROMs
 and burn the audio tracks to an audio CD(if they're in a standard audio
 format or a format you could convert to WAVs) - or convert and download
 to an MP3 player. That's probably your best choice, though an expensive
 one.

  - Dana



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RE: Oracle Books on Audio Tapes

2001-03-29 Thread Tim Sawmiller

Surely there's a Reader's Digest Condensed Version

Or how about Cliff Notes?

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 03/29/01 10:45AM 
Also, for Oracle 7 at least, the documentation is about 10,000 pages long,
that would take a lot of tapes.

Regards,

Patrice Boivin
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 -Original Message-
 From: dana 
 Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2001 10:36 AM
 To:   Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
 Subject:  Re: Oracle Books on Audio Tapes
 
 
 --- Apps Sol [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   Is there any place where we can get Oracle books  on Tape (Audio
  tapes or CD's) 
  RK
 
 
 I doubt it. From what I understand, audio books are primarily made from
 best-selling fiction. What non-fiction audio books exist are probably
 limited to stuff with the broadest general appeal (best-sellers).
 
 I've personally never heard of technical books on tape/audio CD.
 However, you might be able to make your own, rather tediously, if you
 receive a PDF version along with a "dead tree" technical book.
 
 1. Copy-paste the text from the PDF to your word processor of choice.
 2. Use text-to-speech software to creave WAV files
 3. Burn to CD.
 
 Or, you may want to purchase some Oracle Computer-Based-Training CDROMs
 and burn the audio tracks to an audio CD(if they're in a standard audio
 format or a format you could convert to WAVs) - or convert and download
 to an MP3 player. That's probably your best choice, though an expensive
 one.
 
  - Dana
 
 
 
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Re: Oracle Books on Audio Tapes

2001-03-29 Thread Ron Rogers

Being Optically challenged is not a problem for some people. At my last employer there 
was a sharp programmer that worked on a national level project and he was good. If you 
never met the man you would not know that he was blind and used a guide dog to get 
around in the different cities and meetings he attended. His email was converted to 
text and his manuals were in braille. 
 There are people in the world that do not know they are "challenged" until we tell 
them. They get along perfectly well and some of them can perform better that the 
"unchallenged".
ROR mm

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 03/29/01 10:35AM 
Yeph.. see I am blind and at the same time I can type too.. can U read
this???

rk


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Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2001 6:15 AM


 Hate to out a dampener on all of this but the guy could be blind.

 


 -Original Message-
 Sent: 29 March 2001 11:50
 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L


 You know he could be listening to it in his sleep too! Sub-conscious
levels
 and all that..

 -Original Message-
 Ghosalkar
 Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2001 04:45
 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L


 try
 1. get one of those text to voice tools from download.com
 2. next keep a tape recorder near ur comp speakers
 3. capture all the text from oracle manuals/soft copy of books(which u can
 find from the ru domains) and convert to voice
 4. enjoy the casette while driving to work


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  From: Deshpande, Kirti [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
  Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2001 8:51 PM
  To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
  Subject: RE: Oracle Books on Audio Tapes
 
 
  Long drive to work ..eh ??
 
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   Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2001 6:21 PM
   To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
   Subject: Oracle Books on Audio Tapes
  
Is there any place where we can get Oracle books  on Tape
  (Audio tapes or
   CD's)
  
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RE: Oracle Books on Audio Tapes

2001-03-29 Thread Shreter, Hilary

Might want to have a chat with Recording for the Blind and Dyslexic. They
might have such books, or they might advise you on how to structure an audio
for this purpose. It's convenient that the docs come as small HTML files all
linked together -- a voice-activated PC might be able to handle this
requirement. 


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To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L


Surely there's a Reader's Digest Condensed Version

Or how about Cliff Notes?

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 03/29/01 10:45AM 
Also, for Oracle 7 at least, the documentation is about 10,000 pages long,
that would take a lot of tapes.

Regards,

Patrice Boivin
Systems Analyst (Oracle DBA)
Bedford Institute of Oceanography
Fisheries and Oceans Canada



 -Original Message-
 From: dana 
 Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2001 10:36 AM
 To:   Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
 Subject:  Re: Oracle Books on Audio Tapes
 
 
 --- Apps Sol [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   Is there any place where we can get Oracle books  on Tape (Audio
  tapes or CD's) 
  RK
 
 
 I doubt it. From what I understand, audio books are primarily made from
 best-selling fiction. What non-fiction audio books exist are probably
 limited to stuff with the broadest general appeal (best-sellers).
 
 I've personally never heard of technical books on tape/audio CD.
 However, you might be able to make your own, rather tediously, if you
 receive a PDF version along with a "dead tree" technical book.
 
 1. Copy-paste the text from the PDF to your word processor of choice.
 2. Use text-to-speech software to creave WAV files
 3. Burn to CD.
 
 Or, you may want to purchase some Oracle Computer-Based-Training CDROMs
 and burn the audio tracks to an audio CD(if they're in a standard audio
 format or a format you could convert to WAVs) - or convert and download
 to an MP3 player. That's probably your best choice, though an expensive
 one.
 
  - Dana
 
 
 
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RE: Oracle Books on Audio Tapes

2001-03-29 Thread Boivin, Patrice J

I agree.

I heard somewhere that the person who can read but doesn't delivers the same
results as someone who can't read at all.

So it's what we do, not the skill set we have in our portfolio that matters.

People too often base their opinions on appearance, hearsay, or what a
person could do and did in the past.

My CDN$0.02.  I'm philosophical today.  Too many times I didn't do something
when I could, and that only leads to regrets because the opportunity is
lost.  (birthdays get to me...)

Regards,

Patrice Boivin
Systems Analyst (Oracle DBA)
Bedford Institute of Oceanography
Fisheries and Oceans Canada



 -Original Message-
 From: Ron Rogers [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2001 1:31 PM
 To:   Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
 Subject:  Re: Oracle Books on Audio Tapes
 
 Being Optically challenged is not a problem for some people. At my last
 employer there was a sharp programmer that worked on a national level
 project and he was good. If you never met the man you would not know that
 he was blind and used a guide dog to get around in the different cities
 and meetings he attended. His email was converted to text and his manuals
 were in braille. 
  There are people in the world that do not know they are "challenged"
 until we tell them. They get along perfectly well and some of them can
 perform better that the "unchallenged".
 ROR mm
 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 03/29/01 10:35AM 
 Yeph.. see I am blind and at the same time I can type too.. can U read
 this???
 
 rk
 
 
 - Original Message -
 To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2001 6:15 AM
 
 
  Hate to out a dampener on all of this but the guy could be blind.
 
  
 
 
  -Original Message-
  Sent: 29 March 2001 11:50
  To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
 
 
  You know he could be listening to it in his sleep too! Sub-conscious
 levels
  and all that..
 
  -Original Message-
  Ghosalkar
  Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2001 04:45
  To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
 
 
  try
  1. get one of those text to voice tools from download.com
  2. next keep a tape recorder near ur comp speakers
  3. capture all the text from oracle manuals/soft copy of books(which u
 can
  find from the ru domains) and convert to voice
  4. enjoy the casette while driving to work
 
 
   -Original Message-
   From: Deshpande, Kirti [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
   Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2001 8:51 PM
   To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
   Subject: RE: Oracle Books on Audio Tapes
  
  
   Long drive to work ..eh ??
  
-Original Message-
From: Apps Sol [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2001 6:21 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
Subject: Oracle Books on Audio Tapes
   
 Is there any place where we can get Oracle books  on Tape
   (Audio tapes or
CD's)
   
RK
   
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RE: Oracle Books on Audio Tapes

2001-03-29 Thread William Beilstein

My problem is not with the blind, I'm blind in one eye myself, but how you would 
represent tables, flow diagrams, etc on an audio tape. For example the possible 
permutations in a select clause. A flow diagram shows it very clearly, but to describe 
it would take a tape in it's self. All text books or manuals are fine on tape, but not 
technical manuals. How would you translate a book on the structure of an automobile 
engine with all it's components  without photographs and diagrams?

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 03/29/01 01:09PM 
I agree.

I heard somewhere that the person who can read but doesn't delivers the same
results as someone who can't read at all.

So it's what we do, not the skill set we have in our portfolio that matters.

People too often base their opinions on appearance, hearsay, or what a
person could do and did in the past.

My CDN$0.02.  I'm philosophical today.  Too many times I didn't do something
when I could, and that only leads to regrets because the opportunity is
lost.  (birthdays get to me...)

Regards,

Patrice Boivin
Systems Analyst (Oracle DBA)
Bedford Institute of Oceanography
Fisheries and Oceans Canada



 -Original Message-
 From: Ron Rogers [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
 Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2001 1:31 PM
 To:   Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
 Subject:  Re: Oracle Books on Audio Tapes
 
 Being Optically challenged is not a problem for some people. At my last
 employer there was a sharp programmer that worked on a national level
 project and he was good. If you never met the man you would not know that
 he was blind and used a guide dog to get around in the different cities
 and meetings he attended. His email was converted to text and his manuals
 were in braille. 
  There are people in the world that do not know they are "challenged"
 until we tell them. They get along perfectly well and some of them can
 perform better that the "unchallenged".
 ROR mm
 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 03/29/01 10:35AM 
 Yeph.. see I am blind and at the same time I can type too.. can U read
 this???
 
 rk
 
 
 - Original Message -
 To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2001 6:15 AM
 
 
  Hate to out a dampener on all of this but the guy could be blind.
 
  
 
 
  -Original Message-
  Sent: 29 March 2001 11:50
  To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
 
 
  You know he could be listening to it in his sleep too! Sub-conscious
 levels
  and all that..
 
  -Original Message-
  Ghosalkar
  Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2001 04:45
  To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
 
 
  try
  1. get one of those text to voice tools from download.com
  2. next keep a tape recorder near ur comp speakers
  3. capture all the text from oracle manuals/soft copy of books(which u
 can
  find from the ru domains) and convert to voice
  4. enjoy the casette while driving to work
 
 
   -Original Message-
   From: Deshpande, Kirti [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
   Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2001 8:51 PM
   To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
   Subject: RE: Oracle Books on Audio Tapes
  
  
   Long drive to work ..eh ??
  
-Original Message-
From: Apps Sol [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2001 6:21 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
Subject: Oracle Books on Audio Tapes
   
 Is there any place where we can get Oracle books  on Tape
   (Audio tapes or
CD's)
   
RK
   
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RE: Oracle Books on Audio Tapes

2001-03-29 Thread Rachel Carmichael

happy birthday Patrice


From: "Boivin, Patrice J" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: Oracle Books on Audio Tapes
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 10:09:39 -0800

I agree.

I heard somewhere that the person who can read but doesn't delivers the 
same
results as someone who can't read at all.

So it's what we do, not the skill set we have in our portfolio that 
matters.

People too often base their opinions on appearance, hearsay, or what a
person could do and did in the past.

My CDN$0.02.  I'm philosophical today.  Too many times I didn't do 
something
when I could, and that only leads to regrets because the opportunity is
lost.  (birthdays get to me...)

Regards,

Patrice Boivin
Systems Analyst (Oracle DBA)
Bedford Institute of Oceanography
Fisheries and Oceans Canada



  -Original Message-
  From:   Ron Rogers [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
  Sent:   Thursday, March 29, 2001 1:31 PM
  To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
  Subject:Re: Oracle Books on Audio Tapes
 
  Being Optically challenged is not a problem for some people. At my last
  employer there was a sharp programmer that worked on a national level
  project and he was good. If you never met the man you would not know 
that
  he was blind and used a guide dog to get around in the different cities
  and meetings he attended. His email was converted to text and his 
manuals
  were in braille.
   There are people in the world that do not know they are "challenged"
  until we tell them. They get along perfectly well and some of them can
  perform better that the "unchallenged".
  ROR mª¿ªm
 
   [EMAIL PROTECTED] 03/29/01 10:35AM 
  Yeph.. see I am blind and at the same time I can type too.. can U read
  this???
 
  rk
 
 
  - Original Message -
  To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2001 6:15 AM
 
 
   Hate to out a dampener on all of this but the guy could be blind.
  
   
  
  
   -Original Message-
   Sent: 29 March 2001 11:50
   To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
  
  
   You know he could be listening to it in his sleep too! Sub-conscious
  levels
   and all that..
  
   -Original Message-
   Ghosalkar
   Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2001 04:45
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   try
   1. get one of those text to voice tools from download.com
   2. next keep a tape recorder near ur comp speakers
   3. capture all the text from oracle manuals/soft copy of books(which u
  can
   find from the ru domains) and convert to voice
   4. enjoy the casette while driving to work
  
  
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Long drive to work ..eh ??
   
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  Is there any place where we can get Oracle books  on Tape
(Audio tapes or
 CD's)

 RK

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RE: Oracle Books on Audio Tapes

2001-03-29 Thread Eric D. Pierce

Bill,

There are some graphic technologies available ("tactile" stuff?), 
from what I recall, they are rather specialized/esoteric, and not 
"one size fits all" (we have a federal grant here to provide remedial 
math instruction including visually impaired students - including 
some "learning disabilities" that are caused by "visual processing" 
deficits). also, the above mentioned solutions tend to be big $$$, 
either for the product, or related set up, training and maintenance 
(or all), and it isn't unusual for only the more "nerdy" disabled 
types to be able to use the stuff effectively.  

regards,
ep

ps, federal education programs grant site pages: 

   http://www.ed.gov/offices/OPE/
- 
   http://www.ed.gov/offices/OPE/HEP/sitemap.html
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(look at: TRIO, etc: http://www.ed.gov/offices/OPE/HEP/cfda.html )


On 29 Mar 2001, at 11:15, William Beilstein wrote:


 My problem is not with the blind, I'm blind in one eye myself, but
 how you would represent tables, flow diagrams ...


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RE: Oracle Books on Audio Tapes

2001-03-29 Thread Shreter, Hilary

Good point on visuals. RBD readers describe those features for the tape.
Makes the reading job challenging, and very useful value-added for the
recipient.

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Bill,

There are some graphic technologies available ("tactile" stuff?), 
from what I recall, they are rather specialized/esoteric, and not 
"one size fits all" (we have a federal grant here to provide remedial 
math instruction including visually impaired students - including 
some "learning disabilities" that are caused by "visual processing" 
deficits). also, the above mentioned solutions tend to be big $$$, 
either for the product, or related set up, training and maintenance 
(or all), and it isn't unusual for only the more "nerdy" disabled 
types to be able to use the stuff effectively.  

regards,
ep

ps, federal education programs grant site pages: 

   http://www.ed.gov/offices/OPE/
- 
   http://www.ed.gov/offices/OPE/HEP/sitemap.html
-

(look at: TRIO, etc: http://www.ed.gov/offices/OPE/HEP/cfda.html )


On 29 Mar 2001, at 11:15, William Beilstein wrote:


 My problem is not with the blind, I'm blind in one eye myself, but
 how you would represent tables, flow diagrams ...


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RE: Oracle Books on Audio Tapes

2001-03-28 Thread Deshpande, Kirti

Long drive to work ..eh ??

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  Is there any place where we can get Oracle books  on Tape (Audio tapes or
 CD's)
 
 RK
 
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