RE: Oracle Corp. move to India
Title: RE: Oracle Corp. move to India Actually it's ya, hey dare, you betcha -Original Message- From: Farnsworth, Dave [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 11:29 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: RE: Oracle Corp. move to India ya, hey , you betcha -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 9:38 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L One of these days large multi-national software companies will discover that exotic, far-off place with lower pay scales, an eager work force, a strong work ethic and lot's of talent... The Great American Midwest. You know, places like Iowa. Of course language and cultural barriers will be a challenge. :-) Steve Orr Silicon Valley Refugee in Montana -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 2:56 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L I would not treat this snip of news in such a light-hearted manner. Comparing to couple of years ago, the IT job market has slumped completely from a sellers market to a buyer's market. I am not a greedy person by any means and all I asking for is a decent salary and some job security. But if this trend of massive exports of IT jobs overseas continues, I am not sure how many of us will be able to have that. BTW, before firing the slingshots at this E-mail, please note that I am pro-globalization and have heard the arguments about fair market/competition etc. But bear in mind that we are standing on uneven grounds when competing with third world programmers because of the huge housing and living expense differences. Dennis Meng Database Administrator Focal Communications Corp. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Orr, Steve INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services -- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California -- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Farnsworth, Dave INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services -- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California -- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Oracle Corp. move to India
Title: RE: Oracle Corp. move to India Nothing like the language of the upper Midwest. :o) -Original Message-From: Godlewski, Melissa [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 11:30 AMTo: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-LSubject: RE: Oracle Corp. move to India Actually it's ya, hey dare, you betcha -Original Message- From: Farnsworth, Dave [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 11:29 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: RE: Oracle Corp. move to India ya, hey , you betcha -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 9:38 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L One of these days large multi-national software companies will discover that exotic, far-off place with lower pay scales, an eager work force, a strong work ethic and lot's of talent... The Great American Midwest. You know, places like Iowa. Of course language and cultural barriers will be a challenge. :-) Steve Orr Silicon Valley Refugee in Montana -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 2:56 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L I would not treat this snip of news in such a light-hearted manner. Comparing to couple of years ago, the IT job market has slumped completely from a sellers market to a buyer's market. I am not a greedy person by any means and all I asking for is a decent salary and some job security. But if this trend of massive exports of IT jobs overseas continues, I am not sure how many of us will be able to have that. BTW, before firing the slingshots at this E-mail, please note that I am pro-globalization and have heard the arguments about fair market/competition etc. But bear in mind that we are standing on uneven grounds when competing with third world programmers because of the huge housing and living expense differences. Dennis Meng Database Administrator Focal Communications Corp. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Orr, Steve INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services -- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California -- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Farnsworth, Dave INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services -- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California -- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Oracle Corp. move to India
Hi All,
I believe this *is* already happening, i.e. the flow of Development
contracts *outside* of Oracle. Other than that, I agree with all that has
been stated. And not only in software, but in manufacturing, even high-tech
(Silicon technology, including design, testing and fabs). And before we
start bashing a certain country, let me state that (a) various sectors flow
to various countries (manufacturing to China/Taiwan, Design to S'pore, IT
Development to India, for e.g.), although there is a disproportionate flow
as far as IT goes (b) I have also seen a 'reverse flow' (East to West), so
this is all not one way.
First, let me explain (b). I used to work in the Far/Mid-East for Petroleum
companies who found that employing Western Petro-technical talent locally
was costing a lot - there was the 'hardship' as well as relocation/travel
costs on top of better-than-equivalent salaries. Most of this talent was
working on Siesmic logs that were extracted by people on the field and sent
back to the office, with no need to visit the field itself. Management
'relocated' the talent back to the base western country, setup fast networks
to ship these logs, used the Eastern daytime to generate these logs, ship
them immediately, and process them during the Western daytime (Eastern
nightime), thus reducing both cost _and_ turnaround time. Project timelines
increased dramatically. Of course, Email, Voice and Video-conferences were
heavily used...
As far as IT Development goes, the way I have seen it works is this: Company
XYZ from country ABC locates a few *senior* people with the appropriate
communication and socio-cultural skills onsite to front-end the Development
effort. The bulk of the team works offshore using specs generated by this
smaller team. Works well - hourly rates are low, turnaround/fixes are
quicker, and all comminucation and the human-element, touchy-feely provided
by the smaller onsite team. But the bottom line is of course cost. I have
seen this model work way back in '86 when I was on the other side of the
pond (so to speak), so this concept is nothing new.
Oracle has had support centers in UK, India, Dubai (I think this has been
relocated to India), Australia, etc for a while ('chase the Sun'). The Dev
Center is new, and I heard that most of this will be Oracle Applications...
What one has to do though is to watch 'Production Support' activities being
farmed off. Now _that_ would *really* worry me... But I will post a list of
things that I think may work against this if someone is interested.
Sleepless in San Jose!
John Kanagaraj
Oracle Applications DBA
DB Soft Inc
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-Original Message-
From: Senthil Rajamanickam [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 5:19 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
Subject: Re: Oracle Corp. move to India
I do not know how many of you actually work for Oracle, but for others
(Developers who use Oracle Technology) this I do not think is
immediate
cause for concern. There is no way a team half the world away
can solve the
business problems of a company in the US byt creating IT solutions.
Oracle's move is the inevitable result of the post bubble tech-wreck.
Software companies can no longer sell anything and everything
they build and
to maintain their margins they have to reduce expenses. And
anyone who lives
in Bay Area knows it is extremely expensive to maintain an army of
programmers here - the cost structure being approx $200,000
per developer
per year.
Ellison delivered his warning at Appsworld itself saying that
the Bay Area
will have much less technology companies and those that are there will
resort to offshore development models.
But, as I said in the first line, it is not of 'immediate'
concern but in
the medium term it will be. Right now the mantra seems to be
BPO meaning
accounting, finance and similar back office work is taking
flight from the
US.
While this is the inevitable logic of 'Market Economy'
(politically correct
for 'Capitalism'), unnfortunately there does not seem to be a coherent
strategy on the part of the US government to deal with the
social impact.
Sorry for being so off topic on this list...
- Original Message -
Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 1:40 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
Heard on the BBC radio at lunch that Oracle Corp. is moving alot of
operations to India, 1800 new jobs.
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Re: Oracle Corp. move to India
When your government sees evidence that the loss of high skill jobs in this country impacts our prosperity as a nation, perhaps something will be done about it. Until then, if moving operations overseas benefits the corporation and its stock holders, your job (and mine) really doesn't matter much to the people in power. There are thousands who have been down this road before and no one, not the government or the governed (who happily buy anything made anywhere as long as the price is right) cared when steel and fabric mills, shoe factories, electronics factories, and the like all closed up as production went overseas. The fact is that, overall, the economy keeps growing and many people view such events as a natural course in the evolution of a nation. Learn to adjust to the times. When you can't find employment in your chosen field, it is time to re-group and re-engineer yourself for present realities. Unfortunately, like some of my industrial engineering friends, that can often mean working retail into your retirement years. Glenn Stauffer On Wednesday 31 July 2002 04:55 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would not treat this snip of news in such a light-hearted manner. Comparing to couple of years ago, the IT job market has slumped completely from a sellers market to a buyer's market. I am not a greedy person by any means and all I asking for is a decent salary and some job security. But if this trend of massive exports of IT jobs overseas continues, I am not sure how many of us will be able to have that. BTW, before firing the slingshots at this E-mail, please note that I am pro-globalization and have heard the arguments about fair market/competition etc. But bear in mind that we are standing on uneven grounds when competing with third world programmers because of the huge housing and living expense differences. Dennis Meng Database Administrator Focal Communications Corp. Gogala, Mladen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] m cc: Sent by: Subject: RE: Oracle Corp. move to India [EMAIL PROTECTED] 07/31/02 03:15 PM Please respond to ORACLE-L Is Larry Ellison learning how to speak Hindi? -Original Message- From: Ray Stell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 3:40 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: Oracle Corp. move to India Heard on the BBC radio at lunch that Oracle Corp. is moving alot of operations to India, 1800 new jobs. === Ray Stell [EMAIL PROTECTED] (540) 231-4109 KE4TJC28^D -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Ray Stell INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Gogala, Mladen INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Glenn Stauffer INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Oracle Corp. move to India
One of these days large multi-national software companies will discover that exotic, far-off place with lower pay scales, an eager work force, a strong work ethic and lot's of talent... The Great American Midwest. You know, places like Iowa. Of course language and cultural barriers will be a challenge. :-) Steve Orr Silicon Valley Refugee in Montana -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 2:56 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L I would not treat this snip of news in such a light-hearted manner. Comparing to couple of years ago, the IT job market has slumped completely from a sellers market to a buyer's market. I am not a greedy person by any means and all I asking for is a decent salary and some job security. But if this trend of massive exports of IT jobs overseas continues, I am not sure how many of us will be able to have that. BTW, before firing the slingshots at this E-mail, please note that I am pro-globalization and have heard the arguments about fair market/competition etc. But bear in mind that we are standing on uneven grounds when competing with third world programmers because of the huge housing and living expense differences. Dennis Meng Database Administrator Focal Communications Corp. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Orr, Steve INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: Oracle Corp. move to India
Then just move on. When shipbiuilding went overseas, we moved on. When textile making moved overseas, we moved on. When mining moved overseas, we moved on. If IT moves overseas, then we just have to move on. Invent something new that will last us the next 20 years then move on again after it moves overseas in 20 years. It's a cycle. ltiu On Thursday 01 August 2002 05:48, Glenn Stauffer wrote: When your government sees evidence that the loss of high skill jobs in this country impacts our prosperity as a nation, perhaps something will be done about it. Until then, if moving operations overseas benefits the corporation and its stock holders, your job (and mine) really doesn't matter much to the people in power. There are thousands who have been down this road before and no one, not the government or the governed (who happily buy anything made anywhere as long as the price is right) cared when steel and fabric mills, shoe factories, electronics factories, and the like all closed up as production went overseas. The fact is that, overall, the economy keeps growing and many people view such events as a natural course in the evolution of a nation. Learn to adjust to the times. When you can't find employment in your chosen field, it is time to re-group and re-engineer yourself for present realities. Unfortunately, like some of my industrial engineering friends, that can often mean working retail into your retirement years. Glenn Stauffer On Wednesday 31 July 2002 04:55 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would not treat this snip of news in such a light-hearted manner. Comparing to couple of years ago, the IT job market has slumped completely from a sellers market to a buyer's market. I am not a greedy person by any means and all I asking for is a decent salary and some job security. But if this trend of massive exports of IT jobs overseas continues, I am not sure how many of us will be able to have that. BTW, before firing the slingshots at this E-mail, please note that I am pro-globalization and have heard the arguments about fair market/competition etc. But bear in mind that we are standing on uneven grounds when competing with third world programmers because of the huge housing and living expense differences. Dennis Meng Database Administrator Focal Communications Corp. Gogala, Mladen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] m cc: Sent by: Subject: RE: Oracle Corp. move to India [EMAIL PROTECTED] 07/31/02 03:15 PM Please respond to ORACLE-L Is Larry Ellison learning how to speak Hindi? -Original Message- From: Ray Stell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 3:40 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: Oracle Corp. move to India Heard on the BBC radio at lunch that Oracle Corp. is moving alot of operations to India, 1800 new jobs. === Ray Stell [EMAIL PROTECTED] (540) 231-4109 KE4TJC28^D -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Ray Stell INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Gogala, Mladen INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: ltiu INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing
RE: Oracle Corp. move to India
ya, hey , you betcha -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 9:38 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L One of these days large multi-national software companies will discover that exotic, far-off place with lower pay scales, an eager work force, a strong work ethic and lot's of talent... The Great American Midwest. You know, places like Iowa. Of course language and cultural barriers will be a challenge. :-) Steve Orr Silicon Valley Refugee in Montana -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 2:56 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L I would not treat this snip of news in such a light-hearted manner. Comparing to couple of years ago, the IT job market has slumped completely from a sellers market to a buyer's market. I am not a greedy person by any means and all I asking for is a decent salary and some job security. But if this trend of massive exports of IT jobs overseas continues, I am not sure how many of us will be able to have that. BTW, before firing the slingshots at this E-mail, please note that I am pro-globalization and have heard the arguments about fair market/competition etc. But bear in mind that we are standing on uneven grounds when competing with third world programmers because of the huge housing and living expense differences. Dennis Meng Database Administrator Focal Communications Corp. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Orr, Steve INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Farnsworth, Dave INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: Oracle Corp. move to India
Don't forget the Minnesota Iron Range. Ken Janusz, CPIM - Original Message - To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 9:38 AM One of these days large multi-national software companies will discover that exotic, far-off place with lower pay scales, an eager work force, a strong work ethic and lot's of talent... The Great American Midwest. You know, places like Iowa. Of course language and cultural barriers will be a challenge. :-) Steve Orr Silicon Valley Refugee in Montana -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 2:56 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L I would not treat this snip of news in such a light-hearted manner. Comparing to couple of years ago, the IT job market has slumped completely from a sellers market to a buyer's market. I am not a greedy person by any means and all I asking for is a decent salary and some job security. But if this trend of massive exports of IT jobs overseas continues, I am not sure how many of us will be able to have that. BTW, before firing the slingshots at this E-mail, please note that I am pro-globalization and have heard the arguments about fair market/competition etc. But bear in mind that we are standing on uneven grounds when competing with third world programmers because of the huge housing and living expense differences. Dennis Meng Database Administrator Focal Communications Corp. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Orr, Steve INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: KENNETH JANUSZ INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Oracle Corp. move to India
Hey, I resemble that remark. Doin' the tech thing in Sioux Falls, South Dakota. (one of those foreign locations between New York and Silicon Valley ;-p) Rodd Holman On Thu, 2002-08-01 at 10:28, Farnsworth, Dave wrote: ya, hey , you betcha -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 9:38 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L One of these days large multi-national software companies will discover that exotic, far-off place with lower pay scales, an eager work force, a strong work ethic and lot's of talent... The Great American Midwest. You know, places like Iowa. Of course language and cultural barriers will be a challenge. :-) Steve Orr Silicon Valley Refugee in Montana -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 2:56 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L I would not treat this snip of news in such a light-hearted manner. Comparing to couple of years ago, the IT job market has slumped completely from a sellers market to a buyer's market. I am not a greedy person by any means and all I asking for is a decent salary and some job security. But if this trend of massive exports of IT jobs overseas continues, I am not sure how many of us will be able to have that. BTW, before firing the slingshots at this E-mail, please note that I am pro-globalization and have heard the arguments about fair market/competition etc. But bear in mind that we are standing on uneven grounds when competing with third world programmers because of the huge housing and living expense differences. Dennis Meng Database Administrator Focal Communications Corp. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Orr, Steve INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Farnsworth, Dave INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Oracle Corp. move to India
Bummer! I hoped to become the next Giorgio Armani... -Original Message- From: Rachel Carmichael [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 10:04 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: RE: Oracle Corp. move to India as a knitter, trust me, take up some other line of work! you aren't gonna make money on handknit goods --- Gogala, Mladen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've already bought a set of knitting needles. -Original Message- From: Weaver, Walt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 5:04 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: RE: Oracle Corp. move to India Anybody read Bob Lewis' Survival Guide column in InfoWorld? A few weeks ago he talked about programming jobs in the U.S. going the way of manufacturing jobs, with more and more going overseas to developing countries. He claimed that programmers/developers will be going the way of textile workers soon. --Walt Weaver Bozeman, Montana -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 1:40 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Heard on the BBC radio at lunch that Oracle Corp. is moving alot of operations to India, 1800 new jobs. === Ray Stell [EMAIL PROTECTED] (540) 231-4109 KE4TJC28^D -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Ray Stell INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Weaver, Walt INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Gogala, Mladen INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Rachel Carmichael INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Gogala, Mladen INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like
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I really try to stay away from OT subjects, but I simply cannot resist. There is an article in ComputerWorld that the White House is considering requiring background checks for IT workers in positions with access to 'critical infrastructure'. This covers just about everyone I work with. Now it stands to reason that everyone involved in designing, building and selling this 'critical infrastructure' should be subject to the same standards. This is fairly straight forward in the US but it can quickly become a nightmare for workers who are foreigh nationals. It is even more complicated when the workers are foreign nationals in their home country. Who will actually certify that these people are as squeaky clean as the government requires? How do you know that the certifying agency is not itself a front for some criminal underground? Sorry if this sounds cynical but if the Mexican drug lords gun down government officials in broad daylight and buy firearms for local police because the government does not, you just have to be a little suspicious of it all. Just a thought. --- Igor Neyman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: meant our life-time Igor Neyman, OCP DBA [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 5:21 PM well, eventually all those living expenses will even up (along with the salaries), but not in out life-time :-) Igor Neyman, OCP DBA [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 4:55 PM I would not treat this snip of news in such a light-hearted manner. Comparing to couple of years ago, the IT job market has slumped completely from a sellers market to a buyer's market. I am not a greedy person by any means and all I asking for is a decent salary and some job security. But if this trend of massive exports of IT jobs overseas continues, I am not sure how many of us will be able to have that. BTW, before firing the slingshots at this E-mail, please note that I am pro-globalization and have heard the arguments about fair market/competition etc. But bear in mind that we are standing on uneven grounds when competing with third world programmers because of the huge housing and living expense differences. Dennis Meng Database Administrator Focal Communications Corp. Gogala, Mladen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] m cc: Sent by: Subject: RE: Oracle Corp. move to India [EMAIL PROTECTED] 07/31/02 03:15 PM Please respond to ORACLE-L Is Larry Ellison learning how to speak Hindi? -Original Message- From: Ray Stell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 3:40 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: Oracle Corp. move to India Heard on the BBC radio at lunch that Oracle Corp. is moving alot of operations to India, 1800 new jobs. === Ray Stell [EMAIL PROTECTED] (540) 231-4109 KE4TJC28^D -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Ray Stell INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Gogala, Mladen INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see
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GRIN Is there a SELECT translate(... function for that? -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 9:29 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L ya, hey , you betcha -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 9:38 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L One of these days large multi-national software companies will discover that exotic, far-off place with lower pay scales, an eager work force, a strong work ethic and lot's of talent... The Great American Midwest. You know, places like Iowa. Of course language and cultural barriers will be a challenge. :-) Steve Orr Silicon Valley Refugee in Montana -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 2:56 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L I would not treat this snip of news in such a light-hearted manner. Comparing to couple of years ago, the IT job market has slumped completely from a sellers market to a buyer's market. I am not a greedy person by any means and all I asking for is a decent salary and some job security. But if this trend of massive exports of IT jobs overseas continues, I am not sure how many of us will be able to have that. BTW, before firing the slingshots at this E-mail, please note that I am pro-globalization and have heard the arguments about fair market/competition etc. But bear in mind that we are standing on uneven grounds when competing with third world programmers because of the huge housing and living expense differences. Dennis Meng Database Administrator Focal Communications Corp. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Orr, Steve INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Farnsworth, Dave INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Orr, Steve INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
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Lets not forget Latin America, oh I mean Florida where wages and expenses are lower than North America. :) [EMAIL PROTECTED] 08/01/02 11:53AM Don't forget the Minnesota Iron Range. Ken Janusz, CPIM - Original Message - To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 9:38 AM One of these days large multi-national software companies will discover that exotic, far-off place with lower pay scales, an eager work force, a strong work ethic and lot's of talent... The Great American Midwest. You know, places like Iowa. Of course language and cultural barriers will be a challenge. :-) Steve Orr Silicon Valley Refugee in Montana -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 2:56 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L I would not treat this snip of news in such a light-hearted manner. Comparing to couple of years ago, the IT job market has slumped completely from a sellers market to a buyer's market. I am not a greedy person by any means and all I asking for is a decent salary and some job security. But if this trend of massive exports of IT jobs overseas continues, I am not sure how many of us will be able to have that. BTW, before firing the slingshots at this E-mail, please note that I am pro-globalization and have heard the arguments about fair market/competition etc. But bear in mind that we are standing on uneven grounds when competing with third world programmers because of the huge housing and living expense differences. Dennis Meng Database Administrator Focal Communications Corp. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Orr, Steve INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: KENNETH JANUSZ INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Gene Sais INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
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Well said, Dave. -Original Message-From: Farnsworth, Dave [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 9:50 AMTo: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-LSubject: RE: Oracle Corp. move to India
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Dave, stop sending attachments - they aren't going through anyway Igor Neyman, OCP DBA[EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Farnsworth, Dave To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 4:15 PM Subject: RE: Oracle Corp. move to India
RE: Oracle Corp. move to India
Is Larry Ellison learning how to speak Hindi? -Original Message- From: Ray Stell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 3:40 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: Oracle Corp. move to India Heard on the BBC radio at lunch that Oracle Corp. is moving alot of operations to India, 1800 new jobs. === Ray Stell [EMAIL PROTECTED] (540) 231-4109 KE4TJC28^D -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Ray Stell INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Gogala, Mladen INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
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does that mean 1.2 billion new DBA's ??? -Mensaje original- De: Gogala, Mladen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Enviado el: Miércoles, 31 de Julio de 2002 16:16 Para: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Asunto: RE: Oracle Corp. move to India Is Larry Ellison learning how to speak Hindi? -Original Message- From: Ray Stell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 3:40 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: Oracle Corp. move to India Heard on the BBC radio at lunch that Oracle Corp. is moving alot of operations to India, 1800 new jobs. === Ray Stell [EMAIL PROTECTED] (540) 231-4109 KE4TJC28^D -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Ray Stell INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Gogala, Mladen INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Nelson Flores INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
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Yes, India deserves that. Ray Stell wrote: Heard on the BBC radio at lunch that Oracle Corp. is moving alot of operations to India, 1800 new jobs. === Ray Stell [EMAIL PROTECTED] (540) 231-4109 KE4TJC28^D -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Ray Stell INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Danisment Gazi Unal http://www.ubTools.com -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Danisment Gazi Unal (ubTools) INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
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He is learning how to lower development costs, increase his profit margin, and increase US unemployment. Waleed Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of the company -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 4:16 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Is Larry Ellison learning how to speak Hindi? -Original Message- From: Ray Stell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 3:40 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: Oracle Corp. move to India Heard on the BBC radio at lunch that Oracle Corp. is moving alot of operations to India, 1800 new jobs. === Ray Stell [EMAIL PROTECTED] (540) 231-4109 KE4TJC28^D -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Ray Stell INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Gogala, Mladen INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Khedr, Waleed INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
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For US they want us to be OCP, OCA but it does not matter if you outsource the code development offshore! Waleed Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of the company -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 4:29 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L does that mean 1.2 billion new DBA's ??? -Mensaje original- De: Gogala, Mladen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Enviado el: Miércoles, 31 de Julio de 2002 16:16 Para: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Asunto: RE: Oracle Corp. move to India Is Larry Ellison learning how to speak Hindi? -Original Message- From: Ray Stell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 3:40 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: Oracle Corp. move to India Heard on the BBC radio at lunch that Oracle Corp. is moving alot of operations to India, 1800 new jobs. === Ray Stell [EMAIL PROTECTED] (540) 231-4109 KE4TJC28^D -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Ray Stell INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Gogala, Mladen INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Nelson Flores INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Khedr, Waleed INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
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On Wed, Jul 31, 2002 at 12:15:39PM -0800, Gogala, Mladen wrote: Is Larry Ellison learning how to speak Hindi? No, but I believe he is fluent in several markup languages...tippy boom. -Original Message- From: Ray Stell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 3:40 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: Oracle Corp. move to India Heard on the BBC radio at lunch that Oracle Corp. is moving alot of operations to India, 1800 new jobs. === Ray Stell [EMAIL PROTECTED] (540) 231-4109 KE4TJC28^D -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Ray Stell INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Gogala, Mladen INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- === Ray Stell [EMAIL PROTECTED] (540) 231-4109 KE4TJC28^D -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Ray Stell INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
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I would not treat this snip of news in such a light-hearted manner. Comparing to couple of years ago, the IT job market has slumped completely from a sellers market to a buyer's market. I am not a greedy person by any means and all I asking for is a decent salary and some job security. But if this trend of massive exports of IT jobs overseas continues, I am not sure how many of us will be able to have that. BTW, before firing the slingshots at this E-mail, please note that I am pro-globalization and have heard the arguments about fair market/competition etc. But bear in mind that we are standing on uneven grounds when competing with third world programmers because of the huge housing and living expense differences. Dennis Meng Database Administrator Focal Communications Corp. Gogala, Mladen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] m cc: Sent by: Subject: RE: Oracle Corp. move to India [EMAIL PROTECTED] 07/31/02 03:15 PM Please respond to ORACLE-L Is Larry Ellison learning how to speak Hindi? -Original Message- From: Ray Stell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 3:40 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: Oracle Corp. move to India Heard on the BBC radio at lunch that Oracle Corp. is moving alot of operations to India, 1800 new jobs. === Ray Stell [EMAIL PROTECTED] (540) 231-4109 KE4TJC28^D -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Ray Stell INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Gogala, Mladen INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list
RE: Oracle Corp. move to India
Anybody read Bob Lewis' Survival Guide column in InfoWorld? A few weeks ago he talked about programming jobs in the U.S. going the way of manufacturing jobs, with more and more going overseas to developing countries. He claimed that programmers/developers will be going the way of textile workers soon. --Walt Weaver Bozeman, Montana -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 1:40 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Heard on the BBC radio at lunch that Oracle Corp. is moving alot of operations to India, 1800 new jobs. === Ray Stell [EMAIL PROTECTED] (540) 231-4109 KE4TJC28^D -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Ray Stell INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Weaver, Walt INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: Oracle Corp. move to India
If you can't bring Indians with H1-B visa over to Oracle, then bring Oracle over to the Indians. On Wednesday 31 July 2002 13:48, Khedr, Waleed wrote: He is learning how to lower development costs, increase his profit margin, and increase US unemployment. Waleed -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: ltiu INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
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well, eventually all those living expenses will even up (along with the salaries), but not in out life-time :-) Igor Neyman, OCP DBA [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 4:55 PM I would not treat this snip of news in such a light-hearted manner. Comparing to couple of years ago, the IT job market has slumped completely from a sellers market to a buyer's market. I am not a greedy person by any means and all I asking for is a decent salary and some job security. But if this trend of massive exports of IT jobs overseas continues, I am not sure how many of us will be able to have that. BTW, before firing the slingshots at this E-mail, please note that I am pro-globalization and have heard the arguments about fair market/competition etc. But bear in mind that we are standing on uneven grounds when competing with third world programmers because of the huge housing and living expense differences. Dennis Meng Database Administrator Focal Communications Corp. Gogala, Mladen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] m cc: Sent by: Subject: RE: Oracle Corp. move to India [EMAIL PROTECTED] 07/31/02 03:15 PM Please respond to ORACLE-L Is Larry Ellison learning how to speak Hindi? -Original Message- From: Ray Stell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 3:40 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: Oracle Corp. move to India Heard on the BBC radio at lunch that Oracle Corp. is moving alot of operations to India, 1800 new jobs. === Ray Stell [EMAIL PROTECTED] (540) 231-4109 KE4TJC28^D -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Ray Stell INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Gogala, Mladen INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Igor Neyman INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Oracle Corp. move to India
I would agree with you and become a pro-globalization if US imports labor from India to build houses in US. But globalization always work one way! Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of the company -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 4:56 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L I would not treat this snip of news in such a light-hearted manner. Comparing to couple of years ago, the IT job market has slumped completely from a sellers market to a buyer's market. I am not a greedy person by any means and all I asking for is a decent salary and some job security. But if this trend of massive exports of IT jobs overseas continues, I am not sure how many of us will be able to have that. BTW, before firing the slingshots at this E-mail, please note that I am pro-globalization and have heard the arguments about fair market/competition etc. But bear in mind that we are standing on uneven grounds when competing with third world programmers because of the huge housing and living expense differences. Dennis Meng Database Administrator Focal Communications Corp. Gogala, Mladen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] m cc: Sent by: Subject: RE: Oracle Corp. move to India [EMAIL PROTECTED] 07/31/02 03:15 PM Please respond to ORACLE-L Is Larry Ellison learning how to speak Hindi? -Original Message- From: Ray Stell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 3:40 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: Oracle Corp. move to India Heard on the BBC radio at lunch that Oracle Corp. is moving alot of operations to India, 1800 new jobs. === Ray Stell [EMAIL PROTECTED] (540) 231-4109 KE4TJC28^D -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Ray Stell INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Gogala, Mladen INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Khedr, Waleed INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Oracle Corp. move to India
I've already bought a set of knitting needles. -Original Message- From: Weaver, Walt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 5:04 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: RE: Oracle Corp. move to India Anybody read Bob Lewis' Survival Guide column in InfoWorld? A few weeks ago he talked about programming jobs in the U.S. going the way of manufacturing jobs, with more and more going overseas to developing countries. He claimed that programmers/developers will be going the way of textile workers soon. --Walt Weaver Bozeman, Montana -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 1:40 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Heard on the BBC radio at lunch that Oracle Corp. is moving alot of operations to India, 1800 new jobs. === Ray Stell [EMAIL PROTECTED] (540) 231-4109 KE4TJC28^D -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Ray Stell INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Weaver, Walt INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Gogala, Mladen INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
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Which is why I'm a DBA (wannabe). Until 10i, when I'll be obsolete, too. ;) Rich Jesse System/Database Administrator [EMAIL PROTECTED] Quad/Tech International, Sussex, WI USA -Original Message- From: Weaver, Walt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 4:04 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: RE: Oracle Corp. move to India Anybody read Bob Lewis' Survival Guide column in InfoWorld? A few weeks ago he talked about programming jobs in the U.S. going the way of manufacturing jobs, with more and more going overseas to developing countries. He claimed that programmers/developers will be going the way of textile workers soon. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Jesse, Rich INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Oracle Corp. move to India
Sounds great! we will need to get a green card to INDIA to get our jobs back :( -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 5:04 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Anybody read Bob Lewis' Survival Guide column in InfoWorld? A few weeks ago he talked about programming jobs in the U.S. going the way of manufacturing jobs, with more and more going overseas to developing countries. He claimed that programmers/developers will be going the way of textile workers soon. --Walt Weaver Bozeman, Montana -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 1:40 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Heard on the BBC radio at lunch that Oracle Corp. is moving alot of operations to India, 1800 new jobs. === Ray Stell [EMAIL PROTECTED] (540) 231-4109 KE4TJC28^D -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Ray Stell INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Weaver, Walt INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Khedr, Waleed INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Oracle Corp. move to India
Guess I'll make out a sign now which reads, Will code for food and hang out at a busy intersection. -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 3:04 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Anybody read Bob Lewis' Survival Guide column in InfoWorld? A few weeks ago he talked about programming jobs in the U.S. going the way of manufacturing jobs, with more and more going overseas to developing countries. He claimed that programmers/developers will be going the way of textile workers soon. --Walt Weaver Bozeman, Montana -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 1:40 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Heard on the BBC radio at lunch that Oracle Corp. is moving alot of operations to India, 1800 new jobs. === Ray Stell [EMAIL PROTECTED] (540) 231-4109 KE4TJC28^D -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Orr, Steve INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
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meant our life-time Igor Neyman, OCP DBA [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 5:21 PM well, eventually all those living expenses will even up (along with the salaries), but not in out life-time :-) Igor Neyman, OCP DBA [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 4:55 PM I would not treat this snip of news in such a light-hearted manner. Comparing to couple of years ago, the IT job market has slumped completely from a sellers market to a buyer's market. I am not a greedy person by any means and all I asking for is a decent salary and some job security. But if this trend of massive exports of IT jobs overseas continues, I am not sure how many of us will be able to have that. BTW, before firing the slingshots at this E-mail, please note that I am pro-globalization and have heard the arguments about fair market/competition etc. But bear in mind that we are standing on uneven grounds when competing with third world programmers because of the huge housing and living expense differences. Dennis Meng Database Administrator Focal Communications Corp. Gogala, Mladen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] m cc: Sent by: Subject: RE: Oracle Corp. move to India [EMAIL PROTECTED] 07/31/02 03:15 PM Please respond to ORACLE-L Is Larry Ellison learning how to speak Hindi? -Original Message- From: Ray Stell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 3:40 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: Oracle Corp. move to India Heard on the BBC radio at lunch that Oracle Corp. is moving alot of operations to India, 1800 new jobs. === Ray Stell [EMAIL PROTECTED] (540) 231-4109 KE4TJC28^D -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Ray Stell INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Gogala, Mladen INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Igor Neyman INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information
RE: Oracle Corp. move to India
The good thing is that you can only work 1 corner at a time. I got to pick up a used wheelchair and go for the sympathy work :) *so many corners so little time* [EMAIL PROTECTED] 07/31/02 05:50PM Guess I'll make out a sign now which reads, Will code for food and hang out at a busy intersection. -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 3:04 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Anybody read Bob Lewis' Survival Guide column in InfoWorld? A few weeks ago he talked about programming jobs in the U.S. going the way of manufacturing jobs, with more and more going overseas to developing countries. He claimed that programmers/developers will be going the way of textile workers soon. --Walt Weaver Bozeman, Montana -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 1:40 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Heard on the BBC radio at lunch that Oracle Corp. is moving alot of operations to India, 1800 new jobs. === Ray Stell [EMAIL PROTECTED] (540) 231-4109 KE4TJC28^D -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Orr, Steve INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Gene Sais INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: Oracle Corp. move to India
I do not know how many of you actually work for Oracle, but for others (Developers who use Oracle Technology) this I do not think is immediate cause for concern. There is no way a team half the world away can solve the business problems of a company in the US byt creating IT solutions. Oracle's move is the inevitable result of the post bubble tech-wreck. Software companies can no longer sell anything and everything they build and to maintain their margins they have to reduce expenses. And anyone who lives in Bay Area knows it is extremely expensive to maintain an army of programmers here - the cost structure being approx $200,000 per developer per year. Ellison delivered his warning at Appsworld itself saying that the Bay Area will have much less technology companies and those that are there will resort to offshore development models. But, as I said in the first line, it is not of 'immediate' concern but in the medium term it will be. Right now the mantra seems to be BPO meaning accounting, finance and similar back office work is taking flight from the US. While this is the inevitable logic of 'Market Economy' (politically correct for 'Capitalism'), unnfortunately there does not seem to be a coherent strategy on the part of the US government to deal with the social impact. Sorry for being so off topic on this list... - Original Message - To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 3:27 PM The good thing is that you can only work 1 corner at a time. I got to pick up a used wheelchair and go for the sympathy work :) *so many corners so little time* [EMAIL PROTECTED] 07/31/02 05:50PM Guess I'll make out a sign now which reads, Will code for food and hang out at a busy intersection. -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 3:04 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Anybody read Bob Lewis' Survival Guide column in InfoWorld? A few weeks ago he talked about programming jobs in the U.S. going the way of manufacturing jobs, with more and more going overseas to developing countries. He claimed that programmers/developers will be going the way of textile workers soon. --Walt Weaver Bozeman, Montana -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 1:40 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Heard on the BBC radio at lunch that Oracle Corp. is moving alot of operations to India, 1800 new jobs. === Ray Stell [EMAIL PROTECTED] (540) 231-4109 KE4TJC28^D -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Orr, Steve INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Gene Sais INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Senthil Rajamanickam INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Oracle Corp. move to India
He speaks the language of corporate America, bull sh*t. -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 3:16 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Is Larry Ellison learning how to speak Hindi? -Original Message- From: Ray Stell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 3:40 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: Oracle Corp. move to India Heard on the BBC radio at lunch that Oracle Corp. is moving alot of operations to India, 1800 new jobs. === Ray Stell [EMAIL PROTECTED] (540) 231-4109 KE4TJC28^D -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Ray Stell INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Gogala, Mladen INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Farnsworth, Dave INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Oracle Corp. move to India
as a knitter, trust me, take up some other line of work! you aren't gonna make money on handknit goods --- Gogala, Mladen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've already bought a set of knitting needles. -Original Message- From: Weaver, Walt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 5:04 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: RE: Oracle Corp. move to India Anybody read Bob Lewis' Survival Guide column in InfoWorld? A few weeks ago he talked about programming jobs in the U.S. going the way of manufacturing jobs, with more and more going overseas to developing countries. He claimed that programmers/developers will be going the way of textile workers soon. --Walt Weaver Bozeman, Montana -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 1:40 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Heard on the BBC radio at lunch that Oracle Corp. is moving alot of operations to India, 1800 new jobs. === Ray Stell [EMAIL PROTECTED] (540) 231-4109 KE4TJC28^D -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Ray Stell INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Weaver, Walt INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Gogala, Mladen INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Rachel Carmichael INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: Oracle Corp. move to India
Bring on the IWW (Wobblies). Solidarity forever. Henry - Original Message - To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 4:55 PM I would not treat this snip of news in such a light-hearted manner. Comparing to couple of years ago, the IT job market has slumped completely from a sellers market to a buyer's market. I am not a greedy person by any means and all I asking for is a decent salary and some job security. But if this trend of massive exports of IT jobs overseas continues, I am not sure how many of us will be able to have that. BTW, before firing the slingshots at this E-mail, please note that I am pro-globalization and have heard the arguments about fair market/competition etc. But bear in mind that we are standing on uneven grounds when competing with third world programmers because of the huge housing and living expense differences. Dennis Meng Database Administrator Focal Communications Corp. Gogala, Mladen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] m cc: Sent by: Subject: RE: Oracle Corp. move to India [EMAIL PROTECTED] 07/31/02 03:15 PM Please respond to ORACLE-L Is Larry Ellison learning how to speak Hindi? -Original Message- From: Ray Stell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 3:40 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: Oracle Corp. move to India Heard on the BBC radio at lunch that Oracle Corp. is moving alot of operations to India, 1800 new jobs. === Ray Stell [EMAIL PROTECTED] (540) 231-4109 KE4TJC28^D -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Ray Stell INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Gogala, Mladen INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Henry Poras INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: Oracle Corp. move to India
Based on the services we got from Oracle Support there, I can't imagine what the Oracle software will be like if they move the development over there Ray Stell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Heard on the BBC radio at lunch that Oracle Corp. is moving alot ofoperations to India, 1800 new jobs. ===Ray Stell [EMAIL PROTECTED] (540) 231-4109 KE4TJC 28^D-- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com-- Author: Ray StellINET: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Fat City Network Services -- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051San Diego, California -- Public Internet access / Mailing ListsTo REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail messageto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and inthe message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L(or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You mayalso send the HELP command for other information (like subs! ! cribing). Yahoo! Digital How To - Get the best out of your PC!
Re: Oracle Corp. move to India
Are you are implying that India can't be better? ltiu On Wednesday 31 July 2002 20:13, Jos Someone wrote: Based on the services we got from Oracle Support there, I can't imagine what the Oracle software will be like if they move the development over there Ray Stell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Heard on the BBC radio at lunch that Oracle Corp. is moving alot of operations to India, 1800 new jobs. === Ray Stell [EMAIL PROTECTED] (540) 231-4109 KE4TJC 28^D -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: ltiu INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
