RE: Oracle Future???

[Kimberly Smith]

The DBA Enterprise team at my company actually did a review of
DB2 and Oracle.  This was back in the days of Oracle 8.  Some of
the features that Oracle came out behind in are now there in
8i but they got quite similar results in performance and all
that fun stuff.  But that was running some extra feature of the
DB2 software that really jacks up the price.  That made it more
in line with Oracle's pricing.  (Don't remember the details so
don't ask)  And I cannot post the report...

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Bronfin
Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2002 1:20 AM
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i have a 1TB Oracle DB running on Win2K.
That customer previously used MS SQL server , until the DB grew up to some
350GB and then . the company i used to work for earned some good bucks
on MS SQL server to Oracle conversion and i got some moderate MS SQL server
knowledge.
Nice toy.

Seriously , i think small companies will increasingly use the ( MS SQL
server + Windows )  tandem or the (Linux + MySQL or PostgresSQL)
combinations , kicking Oracle off the small companies market.

This , along with the DB2 agression in the big enterprises market , makes me
seeing Oracle's future not so bright , unfortunately.

Regarding UNIX vs NT : i believe the real battle is going to be UNIX vs
Linux , even UNIX server vs Linux cluster. Think of it : a linux cluster of
some 30 servers gives U muche better performance and HA solution than a
serious SUN , HP or AIX machine for MUCH LESS money !



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Someone on this list posted a message saying they were running a db with
320G of disks on Windows2000...


Patrice Boivin


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Hmm, strange this one. This is like the age old NT and UNIX argument.

Many years ago now I was working on UNIX and Ingres

Progressed to UNIX, Ingres,Oracle and DB26000 (wow !! a blast from the
past). At about this time I heard that NT was to push UNIX out into the
wilderness and UNIX would become obsolete.

Ingres fell by the wayside after the CA takeover and DB26000 went the same
way and I was left with UNIX and Oracle.

I then moved to Unix, Oracle and Informix.

Informix dropped away rapidly - so here I am sitting with UNIX and Oracle
almost 10 years from the day that I was told that UNIX would be obsolete.

Absolute hogwash in my opinion.

Our company also uses MySQL and SQLServer. I will probably get around to
mucking about with both but don't expect them to push Oracle away. I'm with
Mark the only main threat I've heard is DB2. (and not the crap thing that
was DB26000 a while ago unless I'm mistaken).


Cheers

Lee

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RE: Oracle Future???

[Andrey Bronfin]

i have a 1TB Oracle DB running on Win2K.
That customer previously used MS SQL server , until the DB grew up to some
350GB and then . the company i used to work for earned some good bucks
on MS SQL server to Oracle conversion and i got some moderate MS SQL server
knowledge.
Nice toy.
 
Seriously , i think small companies will increasingly use the ( MS SQL
server + Windows )  tandem or the (Linux + MySQL or PostgresSQL)
combinations , kicking Oracle off the small companies market.
 
This , along with the DB2 agression in the big enterprises market , makes me
seeing Oracle's future not so bright , unfortunately.
 
Regarding UNIX vs NT : i believe the real battle is going to be UNIX vs
Linux , even UNIX server vs Linux cluster. Think of it : a linux cluster of
some 30 servers gives U muche better performance and HA solution than a
serious SUN , HP or AIX machine for MUCH LESS money !
 


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Someone on this list posted a message saying they were running a db with
320G of disks on Windows2000...
 

Patrice Boivin


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Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2002 11:25 AM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L



Hmm, strange this one. This is like the age old NT and UNIX argument.
 
Many years ago now I was working on UNIX and Ingres
 
Progressed to UNIX, Ingres,Oracle and DB26000 (wow !! a blast from the
past). At about this time I heard that NT was to push UNIX out into the
wilderness and UNIX would become obsolete.
 
Ingres fell by the wayside after the CA takeover and DB26000 went the same
way and I was left with UNIX and Oracle.
 
I then moved to Unix, Oracle and Informix.
 
Informix dropped away rapidly - so here I am sitting with UNIX and Oracle
almost 10 years from the day that I was told that UNIX would be obsolete.
 
Absolute hogwash in my opinion.
 
Our company also uses MySQL and SQLServer. I will probably get around to
mucking about with both but don't expect them to push Oracle away. I'm with
Mark the only main threat I've heard is DB2. (and not the crap thing that
was DB26000 a while ago unless I'm mistaken).
 
 
Cheers
 
Lee

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RE: Oracle Future???

[Suhen Pather]

List,

SQL Server is not even a threat to Oracle in the database market share.
Oracle mains competitor is DB2.

MS SQL Server is still mickey mouse and cannot offer the robustness,
scalabilty, reliability and performance of Oracle.

And yes, lots of people will become unemployed and many companies would have
to close down if SQL Server takes over.

So Microslop dream on.

Regards
$uhen


If this is true, then there will be a massive unemployment in the whole
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 April Wells wrote:
>YOU too?  Although, I guess it is the Evil DB2 voices who have been talking
>to me, not the Mysql ones... 
>
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>Uh Oh ... I thought I was the only person to whom the little voices talk to
>... Damn ... there is one more ...
>
>Raj
>__
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Inc.
>
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>-Original Message-
>Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2002 9:25 AM
>To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
>
>
>Hi Folks, 
>Wonder if anyone would like to comment, my MSSQL DBA sent me a couple of
>emails from a MSSQL mailing list, they were discussing the future of MSSQL.
>Some of the comments included comments about our DB - Oracle. 
>I've added two here... 
>...With Hyperion been seriously challenged and overrun by Analysis
Services,
>oracle will completely die out as they integrate their current offering
into
>Oracle9i. 
>...Oracle will become another Apple: 5% market share. ... 
>Do you guys agree? Is Oracle doing anything about the very serious threat
>that MSSQL is placing on their market share? 
>No, plans of changing personally, but wondering if cross education won't be
>beneficial:) 
>Regards 
>Denham 
>
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RE: Oracle Future???

[C.S.Venkata Subramanian]

If this is true, then there will be a massive unemployment in the whole world. 
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On Tue, 08 Jan 2002 07:30:39  
 April Wells wrote:
>YOU too?  Although, I guess it is the Evil DB2 voices who have been talking
>to me, not the Mysql ones... 
>
>-Original Message-
>Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2002 8:50 AM
>To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
>
>
>Uh Oh ... I thought I was the only person to whom the little voices talk to
>... Damn ... there is one more ...
>
>Raj
>__
>Rajendra Jamadagni  MIS, ESPN Inc.
>Rajendra dot Jamadagni at ESPN dot com
>Any opinion expressed here is personal and doesn't reflect that of ESPN Inc.
>
>QOTD: Any clod can have facts, but having an opinion is an art!
>
>-Original Message-
>Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2002 9:25 AM
>To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
>
>
>Hi Folks, 
>Wonder if anyone would like to comment, my MSSQL DBA sent me a couple of
>emails from a MSSQL mailing list, they were discussing the future of MSSQL.
>Some of the comments included comments about our DB - Oracle. 
>I've added two here... 
>...With Hyperion been seriously challenged and overrun by Analysis Services,
>oracle will completely die out as they integrate their current offering into
>Oracle9i. 
>...Oracle will become another Apple: 5% market share. ... 
>Do you guys agree? Is Oracle doing anything about the very serious threat
>that MSSQL is placing on their market share? 
>No, plans of changing personally, but wondering if cross education won't be
>beneficial:) 
>Regards 
>Denham 
>
>begin 666 InterScan_Disclaimer.txt
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RE: Oracle Future???

[Nick Wagner]

bleak... or blank?   or perhaps it's a bigger 
statement, that 'we' don't know as a whole... 
hmmm..   
 
 
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Oracle Future???
So 
you're telling the future is bleak?

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RE: Oracle Future???

[Johnston, Tim]

So 
you're telling the future is bleak?

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RE: Oracle Future???

[Andrey Bronfin]

RE: Oracle Future??? - from the darkside

[tday6]

I won't comment on what I think about Oracle as a company.  However, the
fact that Beta was technically superior to VHS and sold at a cheaper price
did not save it from a series of bad marketing decisions.  Today people
don't even remember that VCR's used to come in two separate and
incompatible "flavors".


   

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Actually, It's possible.  Maybe not down to 5%,  but if y'all don't think
that Oracle is ripe for a market defeat, then you need  to take a hard look
at our industry...  Take here for example.   We had Oracle here everywhere.
We have Oracle programmers, DBA's,  etc.  Then, we get a new CEO.  Fresh
out of Harvard (where they  obviously know everything), he went to company
"A" and they had  sqlserver.  When he left company "A" and came here, guess
what we were ordered to convert EVERYTHING to.  Well, everything  except
SAP.  Oracle will be out of here by 2003.  Gone, Bye Bye.   C'ya, don't
want to be ya.  Oracle personnel that don't cross train or  haven't shown
the ability to cross train are gone too.  The only thing we  had to say
about it was "Luke, I am your father, where are the sqlserver  discs?"  In
one month, 6 years of oracle development was ordered to be out  within 2
years.

The  sad fact is that the Jared Still's and Steve Adam's are not making the
decisions in enough companies.  There are too many managers way up the food
chain who have no clue that the marketing hype they is pure BS.  They  buy
the spin and make the decisions based on that.   The fact that  sqlserver
cannot out perform Oracle is not relevant.  The fact that  sqlserver can
only run on NT/2000/XP is not relevant.  It will actually be  sold as a
positive.  "Ya, know, most mcse's are also mcDba's  too..."  It may not be
true, but facts are not where the decision will  be made.  Marketing hype
is.  When the "cost savings" is put into the  manager's head, the decision
will be made.  By the time that the facts of  the performance and headaches
and costs of conversion are pointed  out, people will bury it and forget it
existed.  "After all, it is  just a computer and I am not going to risk
my job arguing over a  computer decision. Besides, the IT folks can do
anything..."   Remember, spending 2 million to convert to something that
will save 100K a year  thereafter, is a SAVINGS in the eyes of an upper
manager.

Other  companies I have worked for are doing the same thing.  Marketing
drives the  industry now (look at SAP).  Too many idiots.  Not
enough voices of reason.   I don't expect Oracle to lose their  share to
5%, but if they don't start fighting better, they will have serious
competition from sqlserver and other areas.

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Hi Folks,

Wonder if anyone  would like to comment, my MSSQL DBA sent me a couple of
emails from a MSSQL  mailing list, they were discussing the future of
MSSQL.

Some of the  comments included comments about our DB - Oracle.
I've added two here...

...With Hyperion  been seriously challenged and overrun by Analysis
Services, oracle will  completely die out as they integrate their current
offering into Oracle9i.  

...Oracle will  become another Apple: 5% market share. ...

Do you guys agree?  Is Oracle doing anything about the very serious threat
that MSSQL is placing on  their market share?

No, plans of  changing personally, but wo

RE: Oracle Future???

[John Kanagaraj]

Eva et al,
 
I believe the survivability of a product is based on a number of factors
including current market share, depth and availability of skills in the
marketplace (this translates to product momentum), availability (and ease)
of upgrades for newer and better features in new versions (catching up with
ya!), availability of choice-of-platform (I can choose the better,
lower-cost platform and am not locked in to one h/w vendor), availability of
third-party packages as well as add-on packages that can be plugged on to
cater to areas that are not addressed in the base product (e.g. ERP
products, monitoring tools, etc.), financial ability and sustainability of
the company, depth and breadth of products, effort required to move off the
product, *apart* from base cost (what it costs to buy), total cost of
ownership (what it costs to run, including staff costs, server licences,
etc.) . If you look at the products that have 'died', it is because they
lacked one or more of these factors when compared to another similar product
that survived. In this case, they did a natural death. In some cases, they
were also taken over by another competitor and be 'put to death' (as with
IBM/Informix). I don't think that neither Oracle nor MS is at that place.
Although MS is available only on M$ platforms, they have a very large base
that will carry them along for a while. I believe that Oracle will survive
at least in the ERP areas as they are actively increasing their base in this
area at the cost of SAP and other packages, and it is difficult to knock off
a working ERP application that is entrenced with the bean-counters.
 
John Kanagaraj
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Hi Folks, 

Wonder if anyone would like to comment, my MSSQL DBA sent me a couple of
emails from a MSSQL mailing list, they were discussing the future of MSSQL.

Some of the comments included comments about our DB - Oracle. 
I've added two here... 

...With Hyperion been seriously challenged and overrun by Analysis Services,
oracle will completely die out as they integrate their current offering into
Oracle9i. 

...Oracle will become another Apple: 5% market share. ... 

Do you guys agree? Is Oracle doing anything about the very serious threat
that MSSQL is placing on their market share? 

No, plans of changing personally, but wondering if cross education won't be
beneficial:) 

Regards 
Denham 

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RE: Oracle Future???

[Gogala, Mladen]

Microsoft is trying to win a significant market share in the
database arena for years and could never get anywhere. I see much
more significant threat in MySQL and PosgresSQL because they are
rapidly gaining popularity. As a matter of fact, MySQL has approximately
as much of a market share as SQL Server and that is really disastrous 
for the SQL Server. 
There are two problems with the SQL server, besides the stability of the
underlying platform :

a) Lack of features (poor row level locking, lock escalation, Transact/SQL
 being much, much weaker then PL/SQL, lack of support 
 for Java and objects, poor connectivity to anything
except 
 other Microsoft products, generally poor performance,
making it
 possible for oracle to ridicule it with "challenges")
b) The fact that it runs on one platform only. If a company wants to have a
decently
   sized database, it is highly unlikely that NT 2000 will be the platform
of choice
   for such a server. HP 9000, SUN, RS6000 and AS400 are much more probable
solutions
   and guess what: SQL Server doesn't run on those. Unless there is an idiot
CIO willing
   to lock his company into a single-vendor solution without the slightest
possibility of
   changing platforms without having to sign a very big check, chances for
making a sale
   are virtually null. If there is such a CIO, then the company will wither
and die on it's 
   own and is not a good client.

What are we panicking about? Microsoft is losing the server ground to Linux
and win XP
is allegedly the worst edition ever when it comes to stability and security.
Microsoft
has been found a monopoly and a remedy has yet to be decided. A rumor mill
trying the
usual FUD tactics has failed to work before and will fail again. Oracle will
probably
lower the prices and once again increase the market share. I've been reading
about Microsoft
winning on the database market for a 5 or 6 years by now and, so far,
Microsoft hasn't even
been able to significantly threaten oracle dominance. 



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Um... What threat?

Consider the source.

Jared



 

Denham Eva

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Hi Folks,


Wonder if anyone would like to comment, my MSSQL DBA sent me a couple of
emails from a MSSQL mailing list, they were discussing the future of MSSQL.


Some of the comments included comments about our DB - Oracle.
I've added two here...


...With Hyperion been seriously challenged and overrun by Analysis
Services, oracle will completely die out as they integrate their current
offering into Oracle9i. 


...Oracle will become another Apple: 5% market share. ...


Do you guys agree? Is Oracle doing anything about the very serious threat
that MSSQL is placing on their market share?


No, plans of changing personally, but wondering if cross education won't be
beneficial:)


Regards
Denham


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RE: Oracle Future??? - from the darkside

[Henry Poras]

Title: Oracle Future???



Where 
I am the management focus (I've got to find a better word) changed so frequently 
from UNIX to NT to anything but MicroSoft that just the slightest bit of inertia 
in migrating meant that nothing ever changed. The major effect was seen on new 
installations/purchases made during the Fad of the Day.
 
Henry

  -Original Message-From: Bowes, Chris 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2002 11:51 
  AMTo: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-LSubject: RE: 
  Oracle Future??? - from the darkside
  Actually, It's possible.  Maybe not down to 5%, 
  but if y'all don't think that Oracle is ripe for a market defeat, then you 
  need to take a hard look at our industry...  Take here for 
  example.  We had Oracle here everywhere.  We have Oracle 
  programmers, DBA's, etc.  Then, we get a new CEO.  Fresh out of 
  Harvard (where they obviously know everything), he went to company "A" 
  and they had sqlserver.  When he left company "A" and came 
  here, guess what we were ordered to convert EVERYTHING to.  
  Well, everything except SAP.  Oracle will be out of here by 2003.  
  Gone, Bye Bye.  C'ya, don't want to be ya.  Oracle personnel that 
  don't cross train or haven't shown the ability to cross train are gone 
  too.  The only thing we had to say about it was "Luke, I am your father, 
  where are the sqlserver discs?"  In one month, 6 years of oracle 
  development was ordered to be out within 2 years.
   
  The 
  sad fact is that the Jared Still's and Steve Adam's are not making the 
  decisions in enough companies.  There are too many managers way up the 
  food chain who have no clue that the marketing hype they is pure 
  BS.  They buy the spin and make the decisions based on that.   
  The fact that sqlserver cannot out perform Oracle is not relevant.  The 
  fact that sqlserver can only run on NT/2000/XP is not relevant.  It 
  will actually be sold as a positive.  "Ya, know, most mcse's are 
  also mcDba's too..."  It may not be true, but facts are not where 
  the decision will be made.  Marketing hype is.  When the "cost 
  savings" is put into the manager's head, the decision will be made.  By 
  the time that the facts of the performance and headaches and costs 
  of conversion are pointed out, people will bury it and forget it 
  existed.  "After all, it is just a computer and I am not going to risk 
  my job arguing over a computer decision. Besides, the IT folks 
  can do anything..."  Remember, spending 2 million to convert to something 
  that will save 100K a year thereafter, is a SAVINGS in the eyes of an upper 
  manager. 
   
  Other companies I have worked for are doing the same 
  thing.  Marketing drives the industry now (look at SAP).  
  Too many idiots.  Not enough voices of reason.   I 
  don't expect Oracle to lose their share to 5%, but if they don't start 
  fighting better, they will have serious competition from sqlserver and other 
  areas.
   
  --Chris
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   
   
   
   
   
   
  --Chris 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
   
  -Original 
  Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On 
  Behalf Of Denham EvaSent: 08 January 2002 14:25To: 
  Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-LSubject: Oracle 
  Future???
  Hi Folks, 
  
  Wonder if anyone 
  would like to comment, my MSSQL DBA sent me a couple of emails from a MSSQL 
  mailing list, they were discussing the future of MSSQL.
  Some of the 
  comments included comments about our DB - Oracle. I've added two here... 
  ...With Hyperion 
  been seriously challenged and overrun by Analysis Services, oracle will 
  completely die out as they integrate their current offering into Oracle9i. 
  
  ...Oracle will 
  become another Apple: 5% market share. ... 
  Do you guys 
  agree? Is Oracle doing anything about the very serious threat that MSSQL is 
  placing on their market share? 
  No, plans of 
  changing personally, but wondering if cross education won't be 
  beneficial:) 
  Regards 
  Denham 
  
  
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RE: Oracle Future??? - from the darkside

[Steve McClure]

Title: Oracle Future???



For 
God's sake sell your stock!!

  -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Bowes, ChrisSent: 
  Tuesday, January 08, 2002 8:51 AMTo: Multiple recipients of list 
  ORACLE-LSubject: RE: Oracle Future??? - from the 
  darkside
  Actually, It's possible.  Maybe not down to 5%, 
  but if y'all don't think that Oracle is ripe for a market defeat, then you 
  need to take a hard look at our industry...  Take here for 
  example.  We had Oracle here everywhere.  We have Oracle 
  programmers, DBA's, etc.  Then, we get a new CEO.  Fresh out of 
  Harvard (where they obviously know everything), he went to company "A" 
  and they had sqlserver.  When he left company "A" and came 
  here, guess what we were ordered to convert EVERYTHING to.  
  Well, everything except SAP.  Oracle will be out of here by 2003.  
  Gone, Bye Bye.  C'ya, don't want to be ya.  Oracle personnel that 
  don't cross train or haven't shown the ability to cross train are gone 
  too.  The only thing we had to say about it was "Luke, I am your father, 
  where are the sqlserver discs?"  In one month, 6 years of oracle 
  development was ordered to be out within 2 years.
   
  The 
  sad fact is that the Jared Still's and Steve Adam's are not making the 
  decisions in enough companies.  There are too many managers way up the 
  food chain who have no clue that the marketing hype they is pure 
  BS.  They buy the spin and make the decisions based on that.   
  The fact that sqlserver cannot out perform Oracle is not relevant.  The 
  fact that sqlserver can only run on NT/2000/XP is not relevant.  It 
  will actually be sold as a positive.  "Ya, know, most mcse's are 
  also mcDba's too..."  It may not be true, but facts are not where 
  the decision will be made.  Marketing hype is.  When the "cost 
  savings" is put into the manager's head, the decision will be made.  By 
  the time that the facts of the performance and headaches and costs 
  of conversion are pointed out, people will bury it and forget it 
  existed.  "After all, it is just a computer and I am not going to risk 
  my job arguing over a computer decision. Besides, the IT folks 
  can do anything..."  Remember, spending 2 million to convert to something 
  that will save 100K a year thereafter, is a SAVINGS in the eyes of an upper 
  manager. 
   
  Other companies I have worked for are doing the same 
  thing.  Marketing drives the industry now (look at SAP).  
  Too many idiots.  Not enough voices of reason.   I 
  don't expect Oracle to lose their share to 5%, but if they don't start 
  fighting better, they will have serious competition from sqlserver and other 
  areas.
   
  --Chris
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   
   
   
   
   
   
  --Chris 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
   
  -Original Message-From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Denham 
  EvaSent: 08 January 2002 14:25To: Multiple recipients of 
  list ORACLE-LSubject: Oracle Future???
  Hi Folks, 
  
  Wonder if anyone 
  would like to comment, my MSSQL DBA sent me a couple of emails from a MSSQL 
  mailing list, they were discussing the future of MSSQL.
  Some of the 
  comments included comments about our DB - Oracle. I've added two here... 
  ...With Hyperion 
  been seriously challenged and overrun by Analysis Services, oracle will 
  completely die out as they integrate their current offering into Oracle9i. 
  
  ...Oracle will 
  become another Apple: 5% market share. ... 
  Do you guys 
  agree? Is Oracle doing anything about the very serious threat that MSSQL is 
  placing on their market share? 
  No, plans of 
  changing personally, but wondering if cross education won't be 
  beneficial:) 
  Regards 
  Denham 
  
  
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RE: Oracle Future???

[Boivin, Patrice J]

This may help you regain your bearings:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/23518.html

No, don't thank me, I'm glad I could help.

Regards,
Patrice Boivin
Systems Analyst (Oracle Certified DBA)

-Original Message-
Sent:   Tuesday, January 08, 2002 11:45 AM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
Subject:    RE: Oracle Future???

I'm jeolous, I don't hear the voices... But I do see DUMB people..

"one by one the Penguins steal my sanity" 

ROR mô¿ôm

>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 01/08/02 09:50AM >>>
Uh Oh ... I thought I was the only person to whom the little voices talk to
... Damn ... there is one more ...

Raj
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Re: Oracle Future???

[Jared . Still]

Um... What threat?

Consider the source.

Jared



   
 
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Hi Folks,


Wonder if anyone would like to comment, my MSSQL DBA sent me a couple of
emails from a MSSQL mailing list, they were discussing the future of MSSQL.


Some of the comments included comments about our DB - Oracle.
I've added two here...


...With Hyperion been seriously challenged and overrun by Analysis
Services, oracle will completely die out as they integrate their current
offering into Oracle9i. 


...Oracle will become another Apple: 5% market share. ...


Do you guys agree? Is Oracle doing anything about the very serious threat
that MSSQL is placing on their market share?


No, plans of changing personally, but wondering if cross education won't be
beneficial:)


Regards
Denham


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RE: Oracle Future??? - from the darkside

[Bowes, Chris]

Title: Oracle Future???



Actually, It's possible.  Maybe not down to 5%, 
but if y'all don't think that Oracle is ripe for a market defeat, then you need 
to take a hard look at our industry...  Take here for example.  
We had Oracle here everywhere.  We have Oracle programmers, DBA's, 
etc.  Then, we get a new CEO.  Fresh out of Harvard (where they 
obviously know everything), he went to company "A" and they had 
sqlserver.  When he left company "A" and came here, guess 
what we were ordered to convert EVERYTHING to.  Well, everything 
except SAP.  Oracle will be out of here by 2003.  Gone, Bye Bye.  
C'ya, don't want to be ya.  Oracle personnel that don't cross train or 
haven't shown the ability to cross train are gone too.  The only thing we 
had to say about it was "Luke, I am your father, where are the sqlserver 
discs?"  In one month, 6 years of oracle development was ordered to be out 
within 2 years.
 
The 
sad fact is that the Jared Still's and Steve Adam's are not making the 
decisions in enough companies.  There are too many managers way up the food 
chain who have no clue that the marketing hype they is pure BS.  They 
buy the spin and make the decisions based on that.   The fact that 
sqlserver cannot out perform Oracle is not relevant.  The fact that 
sqlserver can only run on NT/2000/XP is not relevant.  It will actually be 
sold as a positive.  "Ya, know, most mcse's are also mcDba's 
too..."  It may not be true, but facts are not where the decision will 
be made.  Marketing hype is.  When the "cost savings" is put into the 
manager's head, the decision will be made.  By the time that the facts of 
the performance and headaches and costs of conversion are pointed 
out, people will bury it and forget it existed.  "After all, it is 
just a computer and I am not going to risk my job arguing over a 
computer decision. Besides, the IT folks can do anything..."  
Remember, spending 2 million to convert to something that will save 100K a year 
thereafter, is a SAVINGS in the eyes of an upper 
manager. 
 
Other 
companies I have worked for are doing the same thing.  Marketing drives the 
industry now (look at SAP).  Too many idiots.  Not 
enough voices of reason.   I don't expect Oracle to lose their 
share to 5%, but if they don't start fighting better, they will have serious 
competition from sqlserver and other areas.
 
--Chris
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
 
 
 
 
 
--Chris 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 
-Original 
Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On 
Behalf Of Denham EvaSent: 08 January 2002 14:25To: 
Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-LSubject: Oracle 
Future???
Hi Folks, 

Wonder if anyone 
would like to comment, my MSSQL DBA sent me a couple of emails from a MSSQL 
mailing list, they were discussing the future of MSSQL.
Some of the 
comments included comments about our DB - Oracle. I've added two here... 
...With Hyperion 
been seriously challenged and overrun by Analysis Services, oracle will 
completely die out as they integrate their current offering into Oracle9i. 

...Oracle will 
become another Apple: 5% market share. ... 
Do you guys agree? 
Is Oracle doing anything about the very serious threat that MSSQL is placing on 
their market share? 
No, plans of 
changing personally, but wondering if cross education won't be 
beneficial:) 
Regards 
Denham 


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RE: Oracle Future???

[Boivin, Patrice J]

Title: Oracle Future???



Someone on this list posted a message saying they were running a db with 
320G of disks on Windows2000...
 
Patrice 
Boivin
-Original Message-From: Robertson Lee - lerobe 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2002 11:25 
AMTo: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-LSubject: RE: 
Oracle Future???

  Hmm, 
  strange this one. This is like the age old NT and UNIX 
  argument.
   
  Many 
  years ago now I was working on UNIX and Ingres
   
  Progressed to UNIX, Ingres,Oracle and DB26000 (wow !! 
  a blast from the past). At about this time I heard that NT was to push UNIX 
  out into the wilderness and UNIX would become obsolete.
   
  Ingres fell by the wayside after the CA takeover and 
  DB26000 went the same way and I was left with UNIX and 
  Oracle.
   
  I 
  then moved to Unix, Oracle and Informix.
   
  Informix dropped away rapidly - so here I am sitting 
  with UNIX and Oracle almost 10 years from the day that I was told that UNIX 
  would be obsolete.
   
  Absolute hogwash in my opinion.
   
  Our 
  company also uses MySQL and SQLServer. I will probably get around to mucking 
  about with both but don't expect them to push Oracle away. I'm with Mark the 
  only main threat I've heard is DB2. (and not the crap thing that was DB26000 a 
  while ago unless I'm mistaken).
   
   
  Cheers
   
  Lee
  
  
-Original Message-From: Mark Leith 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: 08 January 2002 
14:56To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-LSubject: 
    RE: Oracle Future???
Cross education is always a benefit - in moderation. What I mean to 
say is that you will be far more marketable with knowledge of multiple 
relational databases, but it may be more beneficial for you to have more of 
a focus on the market leading RDBMS - Oracle. The below comments seem to be 
a little over the top for my liking - I *DON'T* see Oracle only having 5% of 
the market share in the near future, as quite frankly the rest of the 
databases out there simply are not up to to scratch in terms of there data 
processing and storage capabilities in large multi-user environments. 

 
Oracle doesn't even really see MSSQL as a major competitor - they 
view DB2 as their evil enemy! 
 
HTH
 
Mark
 
Oracle & SQLServer database mop and bucket man. 
(OSDMBM)

  -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Denham EvaSent: 08 
  January 2002 14:25To: Multiple recipients of list 
  ORACLE-LSubject: Oracle Future???
  Hi Folks, 
  Wonder if anyone would like to comment, 
  my MSSQL DBA sent me a couple of emails from a MSSQL mailing list, they 
  were discussing the future of MSSQL.
  Some of the comments included comments 
  about our DB - Oracle. I've 
  added two here... 
  ...With Hyperion been seriously 
  challenged and overrun by Analysis Services, oracle will completely die 
  out as they integrate their current offering into Oracle9i. 

  ...Oracle will become another Apple: 5% 
  market share. ... 
  Do you guys agree? Is Oracle doing 
  anything about the very serious threat that MSSQL is placing on their 
  market share? 
  No, plans of changing personally, but 
  wondering if cross education won't be beneficial:) 
  Regards Denham 
  
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RE: Oracle Future???

[Ron Rogers]

I'm jeolous, I don't hear the voices... But I do see DUMB people..

"one by one the Penguins steal my sanity" 

ROR mô¿ôm

>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 01/08/02 09:50AM >>>
Uh Oh ... I thought I was the only person to whom the little voices talk to
... Damn ... there is one more ...

Raj
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-Original Message-
Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2002 9:25 AM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L


Hi Folks, 
Wonder if anyone would like to comment, my MSSQL DBA sent me a couple of
emails from a MSSQL mailing list, they were discussing the future of MSSQL.
Some of the comments included comments about our DB - Oracle. 
I've added two here... 
...With Hyperion been seriously challenged and overrun by Analysis Services,
oracle will completely die out as they integrate their current offering into
Oracle9i. 
...Oracle will become another Apple: 5% market share. ... 
Do you guys agree? Is Oracle doing anything about the very serious threat
that MSSQL is placing on their market share? 
No, plans of changing personally, but wondering if cross education won't be
beneficial:) 
Regards 
Denham 

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RE: Oracle Future???

[Orr, Steve]

After having witnessed the RAPID DOWNFALL OF SYBASE (and losing big bucks 
on its stock) I'm thinking lots can happen faster than comapanies' ability 
to react. With InnoDB MySQL gets row level locking and decent performance 
for free. Linux is free and has taken server sales away from Microsoft. 
"Without vision the people perish."

Steve Orr,
Bozeman, Montana


-Original Message-
Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2002 8:26 AM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L


Hi Eva,

I believe you have intercepted one of Bill Gates Dreams :-).

Actually I believe this message, taken out of context is in reference to
Orcacle's express,
financial and sales analyzer products.  Those products are being integreated
into the 9i 
database, and at least in the opinion of ORacle this will make these
products stronger and
more of a threat, not less.  

It doesn't suprise me that MS marketing disagrees.

John 

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Hi Folks,
Wonder if anyone would like to comment, my MSSQL DBA sent me a couple of
emails from a MSSQL mailing list, they were discussing the future of MSSQL.
Some of the comments included comments about our DB - Oracle.
I've added two here... 
...With Hyperion been seriously challenged and overrun by Analysis Services,
oracle will completely die out as they integrate their current offering into
Oracle9i. 
...Oracle will become another Apple: 5% market share. ...
Do you guys agree? Is Oracle doing anything about the very serious threat
that MSSQL is placing on their market share? 
No, plans of changing personally, but wondering if cross education won't be
beneficial:)
Regards
Denham


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RE: Oracle Future???

[Robertson Lee - lerobe]

Title: Oracle Future???



Hmm, 
strange this one. This is like the age old NT and UNIX 
argument.
 
Many 
years ago now I was working on UNIX and Ingres
 
Progressed to UNIX, Ingres,Oracle and DB26000 (wow !! a 
blast from the past). At about this time I heard that NT was to push UNIX out 
into the wilderness and UNIX would become obsolete.
 
Ingres 
fell by the wayside after the CA takeover and DB26000 went the same way and I 
was left with UNIX and Oracle.
 
I then 
moved to Unix, Oracle and Informix.
 
Informix dropped away rapidly - so here I am sitting 
with UNIX and Oracle almost 10 years from the day that I was told that UNIX 
would be obsolete.
 
Absolute hogwash in my opinion.
 
Our 
company also uses MySQL and SQLServer. I will probably get around to mucking 
about with both but don't expect them to push Oracle away. I'm with Mark the 
only main threat I've heard is DB2. (and not the crap thing that was DB26000 a 
while ago unless I'm mistaken).
 
 
Cheers
 
Lee


  -Original Message-From: Mark Leith 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: 08 January 2002 
  14:56To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-LSubject: 
  RE: Oracle Future???
  Cross education is always a benefit - in moderation. What I mean to say 
  is that you will be far more marketable with knowledge of multiple relational 
  databases, but it may be more beneficial for you to have more of a focus on 
  the market leading RDBMS - Oracle. The below comments seem to be a little over 
  the top for my liking - I *DON'T* see Oracle only having 5% of the market 
  share in the near future, as quite frankly the rest of the databases out there 
  simply are not up to to scratch in terms of there data processing and storage 
  capabilities in large multi-user environments. 
   
  Oracle doesn't even really see MSSQL as a major competitor - they view 
  DB2 as their evil enemy! 
   
  HTH
   
  Mark
   
  Oracle & SQLServer database mop and bucket man. 
  (OSDMBM)
  
-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Denham EvaSent: 08 
January 2002 14:25To: Multiple recipients of list 
ORACLE-LSubject: Oracle Future???
Hi Folks, 
Wonder if anyone would like to comment, 
my MSSQL DBA sent me a couple of emails from a MSSQL mailing list, they were 
discussing the future of MSSQL.
Some of the comments included comments 
about our DB - Oracle. I've added 
two here... 
...With Hyperion been seriously 
challenged and overrun by Analysis Services, oracle will completely die out 
as they integrate their current offering into Oracle9i. 
...Oracle will become another Apple: 5% 
market share. ... 
Do you guys agree? Is Oracle doing 
anything about the very serious threat that MSSQL is placing on their market 
share? 
No, plans of changing personally, but 
wondering if cross education won't be beneficial:) 
Regards Denham 

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RE: Oracle Future???

[April Wells]

YOU too?  Although, I guess it is the Evil DB2 voices who have been talking
to me, not the Mysql ones... 

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Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2002 8:50 AM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L


Uh Oh ... I thought I was the only person to whom the little voices talk to
... Damn ... there is one more ...

Raj
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Rajendra dot Jamadagni at ESPN dot com
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Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2002 9:25 AM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L


Hi Folks, 
Wonder if anyone would like to comment, my MSSQL DBA sent me a couple of
emails from a MSSQL mailing list, they were discussing the future of MSSQL.
Some of the comments included comments about our DB - Oracle. 
I've added two here... 
...With Hyperion been seriously challenged and overrun by Analysis Services,
oracle will completely die out as they integrate their current offering into
Oracle9i. 
...Oracle will become another Apple: 5% market share. ... 
Do you guys agree? Is Oracle doing anything about the very serious threat
that MSSQL is placing on their market share? 
No, plans of changing personally, but wondering if cross education won't be
beneficial:) 
Regards 
Denham 

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Re: Oracle Future???

[orantdba]

Title: Oracle Future???



Hi Eva,

I believe you have intercepted one of Bill Gates Dreams :-).

Actually I believe this message, taken out of context is in reference to
Orcacle's express,
financial and sales analyzer products.  Those products are being integreated
into the 9i 
database, and at least in the opinion of ORacle this will make these products
stronger and
more of a threat, not less.  

It doesn't suprise me that MS marketing disagrees.

John 

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  Hi Folks,
  Wonder if anyone would like to comment,
my MSSQL DBA sent me a couple of emails from a MSSQL mailing list, they were
discussing the future of MSSQL.
  Some of the comments included comments
about our DB - Oracle.
  I've added two here... 
  ...With Hyperion been seriously challenged
and overrun by Analysis Services, oracle will completely die out as they
integrate their current offering into Oracle9i. 
  ...Oracle will become another Apple:
5% market share. ...
  Do you guys agree? Is Oracle doing
anything about the very serious threat that MSSQL is placing on their market
share? 
  No, plans of changing personally,
but wondering if cross education won't be beneficial:)
  Regards
  Denham
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RE: Oracle Future???

[Jamadagni, Rajendra]

Uh Oh ... I thought I was the only person to whom the little voices talk to
... Damn ... there is one more ...

Raj
__
Rajendra Jamadagni  MIS, ESPN Inc.
Rajendra dot Jamadagni at ESPN dot com
Any opinion expressed here is personal and doesn't reflect that of ESPN Inc.

QOTD: Any clod can have facts, but having an opinion is an art!

-Original Message-
Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2002 9:25 AM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L


Hi Folks, 
Wonder if anyone would like to comment, my MSSQL DBA sent me a couple of
emails from a MSSQL mailing list, they were discussing the future of MSSQL.
Some of the comments included comments about our DB - Oracle. 
I've added two here... 
...With Hyperion been seriously challenged and overrun by Analysis Services,
oracle will completely die out as they integrate their current offering into
Oracle9i. 
...Oracle will become another Apple: 5% market share. ... 
Do you guys agree? Is Oracle doing anything about the very serious threat
that MSSQL is placing on their market share? 
No, plans of changing personally, but wondering if cross education won't be
beneficial:) 
Regards 
Denham 



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RE: Oracle Future???

[Mark Leith]

Title: Oracle Future???



Cross 
education is always a benefit - in moderation. What I mean to say is that you 
will be far more marketable with knowledge of multiple relational databases, but 
it may be more beneficial for you to have more of a focus on the market leading 
RDBMS - Oracle. The below comments seem to be a little over the top for my 
liking - I *DON'T* see Oracle only having 5% of the market share in the near 
future, as quite frankly the rest of the databases out there simply are not up 
to to scratch in terms of there data processing and storage capabilities in 
large multi-user environments. 
 
Oracle 
doesn't even really see MSSQL as a major competitor - they view DB2 as their 
evil enemy! 
 
HTH
 
Mark
 
Oracle 
& SQLServer database mop and bucket man. (OSDMBM)

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  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Denham EvaSent: 08 
  January 2002 14:25To: Multiple recipients of list 
  ORACLE-LSubject: Oracle Future???
  Hi Folks, 
  Wonder if anyone would like to comment, my 
  MSSQL DBA sent me a couple of emails from a MSSQL mailing list, they were 
  discussing the future of MSSQL.
  Some of the comments included comments 
  about our DB - Oracle. I've added 
  two here... 
  ...With Hyperion been seriously challenged 
  and overrun by Analysis Services, oracle will completely die out as they 
  integrate their current offering into Oracle9i. 
  ...Oracle will become another Apple: 5% 
  market share. ... 
  Do you guys agree? Is Oracle doing anything 
  about the very serious threat that MSSQL is placing on their market share? 
  
  No, plans of changing personally, but 
  wondering if cross education won't be beneficial:) 
  Regards Denham 
  
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