Re: RE: OCP newsletter, latest changes...

[Jared Still]

This new certification test sounds similar to what Cisco does,
and Cisco certification is highly regarded among networking
folks, as you must know what you're doing to obtain certification.

As I recall, it takes a couple of days to get through it all.

Anyone know what the Cisco tests cost?

Jared

On Tuesday 18 June 2002 06:18, Karniotis, Stephen wrote:
> Hey folks.
>
>   I just saw this thread this morning.  What a crime.  It seems that the
> only way Oracle can generate sufficient streams of revenue is to punish
> those that popularize their software for the market.  As an Oracle DBA and
> IT Manager, I will not pay for any of my staff to obtain a certification
> that requires such a ridiculous configuration.  It just shows that Oracle
> is trying to generate as much revenue as possible.  Given the state of
> today's economy, I don't think Oracle should be alienating their
> customer/PR base.
>
>   As far as the tax issue:  If training is not provided by your employer,
> and is required for your job, it can be deducted as business expense on
> form 2106.  For education, the feds allow for educational expenses and some
> states also allow for it.
>
> Thank You
>
> Stephen P. Karniotis
> Product Architect
> Compuware Corporation
> Direct:   (248) 865-4350
> Mobile:   (248) 408-2918
> Email:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Web:  www.compuware.com
>
>  -Original Message-
> Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 5:34 PM
> To:   Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> Subject:  RE: RE: OCP newsletter, latest changes...
>
> I know, I have that experience myself. What is the point
> in putting in the training, then?
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 5:22 PM
> > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> > Subject: Re:RE: OCP newsletter, latest changes...
> >
> >
> > In the US one can put training on their income tax forms, but
> > the IRS will
> > disallow it.
> >
> > Dick Goulet
> > One of the disallowed!
> >
> > Reply Separator
> > Author: "Boivin; Patrice J" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Date:   6/17/2002 12:05 PM
> >
> > I think this change will up the ante for corporations that do
> > not send their
> > staff to official training courses or expect that staff will
> > keep up to date
> > in their certifications on their own time and money, a $50
> > book out of one's
> > own pocket doesn't compare with a $2000 course.
> >
> > Employees in Canada can't deduct training etc. before income
> > taxes, only
> > consultants can.  I don't know if that's the case in the U.S.
> > or the UK as
> > well.
> >
> > Maybe more people will become consultants, but then again
> > there is a bit of
> > a crunch in the IT job sector right now.
> >
> >
> > Regards,
> > Patrice Boivin
> > Systems Analyst (Oracle Certified DBA)
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 4:44 PM
> > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> >
> >
> > Soon we will be required as a part of the hiring process to
> > make a visit to
> > Oracle for certification, medical check, and brain wash!
> >
> >  Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the
> > author and do not necessarily represent those of the company
> >
> >
> >  -Original Message-
> > Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 3:18 PM
> > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> >
> >
> >
> > I couldn't believe that, Ron, so I had to check it out myself.  You're
> > right:
> >
> >
> >
> > http://www.oracle.com/education/certification/index.html?dba9i
> > _ocmpract.html
> > <http://www.oracle.com/education/certification/index.html?dba9
> > i_ocmpract.htm
> > l>
> >
> >
> >
> > Oracle Certified Master DBA Practicum Exam
> >
> > An OCM candidate must successfully pass the Oracle Certified
> > Master DBA
> > practicum after having completed the required OU advanced learning
> > requirements. The practicum will be conducted at an Oracle University
> > facility in each global region. The location for Americas is
> > Chicago, IL.
> > The cost for the practicum is $2000.00 US Dollars. Locations
> > for EMEA and
> > APAC have not yet been determined.
> >
> >
> >
> > The practicum is a two-day, hands-on performance based event where
>

RE: RE: OCP newsletter, latest changes...

[Boivin, Patrice J]

In the U.S. employees can deduct business expenses?

Here in Canada it is only possible for self-employed individuals (i.e.
contractors), with some exceptions for taxi drivers, sales people,
waiters/waitresses etc.

Unless you have a letter from your manager re. training not possible, I
wonder how many of those are floating around.

Regards,
Patrice Boivin
Systems Analyst (Oracle Certified DBA)

-Original Message-
Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 10:18 AM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L


Hey folks.

  I just saw this thread this morning.  What a crime.  It seems that the
only way Oracle can generate sufficient streams of revenue is to punish
those that popularize their software for the market.  As an Oracle DBA and
IT Manager, I will not pay for any of my staff to obtain a certification
that requires such a ridiculous configuration.  It just shows that Oracle is
trying to generate as much revenue as possible.  Given the state of today's
economy, I don't think Oracle should be alienating their customer/PR base.

  As far as the tax issue:  If training is not provided by your employer,
and is required for your job, it can be deducted as business expense on form
2106.  For education, the feds allow for educational expenses and some
states also allow for it.

Thank You

Stephen P. Karniotis
Product Architect
Compuware Corporation
Direct: (248) 865-4350
Mobile: (248) 408-2918
Email:  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Web:www.compuware.com

 
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RE: RE: OCP newsletter, latest changes...

[Karniotis, Stephen]

Hey folks.

  I just saw this thread this morning.  What a crime.  It seems that the
only way Oracle can generate sufficient streams of revenue is to punish
those that popularize their software for the market.  As an Oracle DBA and
IT Manager, I will not pay for any of my staff to obtain a certification
that requires such a ridiculous configuration.  It just shows that Oracle is
trying to generate as much revenue as possible.  Given the state of today's
economy, I don't think Oracle should be alienating their customer/PR base.

  As far as the tax issue:  If training is not provided by your employer,
and is required for your job, it can be deducted as business expense on form
2106.  For education, the feds allow for educational expenses and some
states also allow for it.

Thank You

Stephen P. Karniotis
Product Architect
Compuware Corporation
Direct: (248) 865-4350
Mobile: (248) 408-2918
Email:  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Web:www.compuware.com

 -Original Message-
Sent:   Monday, June 17, 2002 5:34 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
Subject:        RE: RE: OCP newsletter, latest changes...

I know, I have that experience myself. What is the point
in putting in the training, then?

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 5:22 PM
> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> Subject: Re:RE: OCP newsletter, latest changes...
> 
> 
> In the US one can put training on their income tax forms, but 
> the IRS will
> disallow it.
> 
> Dick Goulet
> One of the disallowed!
> 
> Reply Separator
> Author: "Boivin; Patrice J" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date:   6/17/2002 12:05 PM
> 
> I think this change will up the ante for corporations that do 
> not send their
> staff to official training courses or expect that staff will 
> keep up to date
> in their certifications on their own time and money, a $50 
> book out of one's
> own pocket doesn't compare with a $2000 course.
>  
> Employees in Canada can't deduct training etc. before income 
> taxes, only
> consultants can.  I don't know if that's the case in the U.S. 
> or the UK as
> well.
>  
> Maybe more people will become consultants, but then again 
> there is a bit of
> a crunch in the IT job sector right now.
> 
> 
> Regards, 
> Patrice Boivin 
> Systems Analyst (Oracle Certified DBA) 
> 
> -Original Message-
> Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 4:44 PM
> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> 
> 
> Soon we will be required as a part of the hiring process to 
> make a visit to
> Oracle for certification, medical check, and brain wash!
>  
>  Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the
> author and do not necessarily represent those of the company
> 
> 
>  -Original Message-
> Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 3:18 PM
> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> 
> 
> 
> I couldn't believe that, Ron, so I had to check it out myself.  You're
> right:
> 
>  
> 
> http://www.oracle.com/education/certification/index.html?dba9i
> _ocmpract.html
> <http://www.oracle.com/education/certification/index.html?dba9
> i_ocmpract.htm
> l> 
> 
>  
> 
> Oracle Certified Master DBA Practicum Exam 
> 
> An OCM candidate must successfully pass the Oracle Certified 
> Master DBA
> practicum after having completed the required OU advanced learning
> requirements. The practicum will be conducted at an Oracle University
> facility in each global region. The location for Americas is 
> Chicago, IL.
> The cost for the practicum is $2000.00 US Dollars. Locations 
> for EMEA and
> APAC have not yet been determined.
> 
>  
> 
> The practicum is a two-day, hands-on performance based event where
> candidates will be presented with numerous scenarios that 
> will require them
> to diagnose and solve highly technical Oracle server related 
> problems. Each
> candidate will have their own dedicated LINUX server that is 
> configured with
> the Oracle server software, Oracle Enterprise Manager, and the Oracle
> documentation set. 
> 
>  
> 
> Topics on the practicum include core database technology, database
> configuration, replication, partitioning, parallel 
> operations, diagnostics,
> troubleshooting, performance tuning, and backup and recovery. 
> Candidates may
> also encounter ad hoc database problems that they will have 
> to resolve,
> therefore simulating "real-world" database operations. Oracle 
> tools such as
> Oracle Enterprise Manager, Data Guard, Flashback, Recovery 
> Manager, and
> Oracle documentation will be availa

RE: RE: OCP newsletter, latest changes...

[Boivin, Patrice J]

Here in Canada I was told you can do it if you have a letter from your
employer stating that they are unable to provide you with the training you
require to stay up-to-date in your field.

I asked my previous manager if he could write me such a letter, he just
grinned and said: "well, it should be our responsibility to provide you with
the training you require to stay up to date in your field..." and no letter.

Since then I spoke with a contractor here, who said that if I keep
requesting for training and never get it, I can keep the e-mails as evidence
and submit them along with my income tax forms.  I'll give it a try, though
I give it a 5% chance of success.

The irony of all this is that I work for the Federal government here.

Regards,
Patrice Boivin
Systems Analyst (Oracle Certified DBA)


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 6:22 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L


In the US one can put training on their income tax forms, but the IRS will
disallow it.

Dick Goulet
One of the disallowed!

Reply Separator
Author: "Boivin; Patrice J" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date:   6/17/2002 12:05 PM

I think this change will up the ante for corporations that do not send their
staff to official training courses or expect that staff will keep up to date
in their certifications on their own time and money, a $50 book out of one's
own pocket doesn't compare with a $2000 course.
 
Employees in Canada can't deduct training etc. before income taxes, only
consultants can.  I don't know if that's the case in the U.S. or the UK as
well.
 
Maybe more people will become consultants, but then again there is a bit of
a crunch in the IT job sector right now.


Regards, 
Patrice Boivin 
Systems Analyst (Oracle Certified DBA) 

-Original Message-
Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 4:44 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L


Soon we will be required as a part of the hiring process to make a visit to
Oracle for certification, medical check, and brain wash!
 
 Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the
author and do not necessarily represent those of the company


 -Original Message-
Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 3:18 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L



I couldn't believe that, Ron, so I had to check it out myself.  You're
right:

 

http://www.oracle.com/education/certification/index.html?dba9i_ocmpract.html
 

 

Oracle Certified Master DBA Practicum Exam 

An OCM candidate must successfully pass the Oracle Certified Master DBA
practicum after having completed the required OU advanced learning
requirements. The practicum will be conducted at an Oracle University
facility in each global region. The location for Americas is Chicago, IL.
The cost for the practicum is $2000.00 US Dollars. Locations for EMEA and
APAC have not yet been determined.

 

The practicum is a two-day, hands-on performance based event where
candidates will be presented with numerous scenarios that will require them
to diagnose and solve highly technical Oracle server related problems. Each
candidate will have their own dedicated LINUX server that is configured with
the Oracle server software, Oracle Enterprise Manager, and the Oracle
documentation set. 

 

Topics on the practicum include core database technology, database
configuration, replication, partitioning, parallel operations, diagnostics,
troubleshooting, performance tuning, and backup and recovery. Candidates may
also encounter ad hoc database problems that they will have to resolve,
therefore simulating "real-world" database operations. Oracle tools such as
Oracle Enterprise Manager, Data Guard, Flashback, Recovery Manager, and
Oracle documentation will be available to candidates during the practicum. 

 

Candidates will be scored on their ability to successfully complete the
scenarios and if they obtain a passing score they will be awarded the OCM
certification. Based upon a candidate's performance during the practicum,
they may not be awarded the OCM certification if they do not achieve the
preset passing score.

 

I think that the price tag is a way too high to start with, but the thing
that really blew me away is that the test is on Linux only???  It's hard for
me to believe that they won't let you take it on your platform of choice,
especially for the hard-core-Windows guys out there.

 

And I have to use Enterprise Manager?  Give me a break - and a SQL> prompt.

 

Brian

 

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-Original Message-
Rogers
Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 1:34 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L



 

Did you check out the prices for the OCM? Two classes plus $2,000 for

the exam the las