RE: RE: OCP 9i New Features for DBAs

[Dunscombe, Chris]

Jared,
 
I didn't make a detailed list but where I clearly noticed the inaccuracies
was in the sample exam questions at the back of the book e.g.
 
In which version of Oracle was hash partitioning introduced?
 
A) 7
B) 8
C) 8i
D) 9i
 
Answer D. The real answer as we know is C.
 
Which statement is true about the TIMESTAMP WITH TIME ZONE datatype?
 
A) It represents absolute time.
B) In addition to the date and time, you can store the time zone
displacement (offset), which requires additional bytes of storage.
C) In addition to the date and time, you can store the time zone
displacement (offset), without consuming additional bytes of storage.
D) You can use the NLS_TIMESTAMP_TZ_FORMAT initialisation parameter to
specify the default timestamp format for retrieval.
 
Answer C. The real answer is B.
 
What this means is that you need to checkout the answers when marking
yourself just to be on the safe side. I must point out that on a couple of
occaisions the book was right when I initially thought it was wrong. 
 
Cheers,
 
Chris

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Chris, 

Care to share details on the inaccuracies? 

Jared 




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Ryan,

I took my exam yesterday and passed!! I used the Oracle Press -  OCP Oracle
9i Database: New Features for Administrators Exam Guide book. Even though
there are a number of inaccuracies it was good preparation especially the
sample exams it provides. Regarding 9.2 vs 9.0 content in the exam it all
seemed to be 9.0.

Hope all goes well when you take your exam.

Cheers,

Chris 

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im going to take it soon. I was going to just read howard rogers guide then
the otn one. 

you think that is enough? I just want to pass it and get my piece of paper.
I already know the 9i stuff that is useful to me. 
> 
> From: DENNIS WILLIAMS <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: 2003/11/12 Wed PM 12:19:32 EST
> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: RE: OCP 9i New Features for DBAs
> 
> Chris
>I'm betting on 9.0. For it to cover 9.2 would have meant that Oracle
> would have had to go back and recreate the test. And Oracle would have
felt
> compelled to change the name of the test. However, I think it possible
that
> any question whose answer would be true for 9.0 but false for 9.2 might be
> removed.
> 
> Dennis Williams
> DBA
> Lifetouch, Inc.
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> 
> Hi,
> 
> I'm currently studying for this exam but can't find info to say whether
the
> exam covers 9.2 or just 9.0. Anyone any clues
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Chris Dunscombe
> 
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Re: RE: OCP 9i New Features for DBAs

[Tanel Poder]

Yeah, tell me, too!
 
I'm about to teach a 5-day course for passing OCP 
in January. Don't mind if I post completely inaccurate answers to this list at 
this time, I just have to change my way of thinking for then ;)
 
Tanel.
 

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New Features for DBAsRyan,I took my exam yesterday and passed!! I 
  used the Oracle Press -  OCP Oracle9i Database: New Features for 
  Administrators Exam Guide book. Even thoughthere are a number of 
  inaccuracies it was good preparation especially thesample exams it 
  provides. Regarding 9.2 vs 9.0 content in the exam it allseemed to be 
  9.0.Hope all goes well when you take your 
  exam.Cheers,Chris -Original Message-Sent: 
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  ORACLE-Lim going to take it soon. I was going to just read howard 
  rogers guide thenthe otn one. you think that is enough? I just 
  want to pass it and get my piece of paper.I already know the 9i stuff that 
  is useful to me. > > From: DENNIS WILLIAMS 
  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> Date: 2003/11/12 Wed PM 12:19:32 
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  DBAs> > Chris>    I'm betting on 9.0. For it to 
  cover 9.2 would have meant that Oracle> would have had to go back and 
  recreate the test. And Oracle would havefelt> compelled to change 
  the name of the test. However, I think it possiblethat> any 
  question whose answer would be true for 9.0 but false for 9.2 might be> 
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RE: RE: OCP 9i New Features for DBAs

[Jared . Still]

Chris,

Care to share details on the inaccuracies?

Jared







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Ryan,

I took my exam yesterday and passed!! I used the Oracle Press -  OCP Oracle
9i Database: New Features for Administrators Exam Guide book. Even though
there are a number of inaccuracies it was good preparation especially the
sample exams it provides. Regarding 9.2 vs 9.0 content in the exam it all
seemed to be 9.0.

Hope all goes well when you take your exam.

Cheers,

Chris 

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im going to take it soon. I was going to just read howard rogers guide then
the otn one. 

you think that is enough? I just want to pass it and get my piece of paper.
I already know the 9i stuff that is useful to me. 
> 
> From: DENNIS WILLIAMS <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: 2003/11/12 Wed PM 12:19:32 EST
> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: RE: OCP 9i New Features for DBAs
> 
> Chris
>    I'm betting on 9.0. For it to cover 9.2 would have meant that Oracle
> would have had to go back and recreate the test. And Oracle would have
felt
> compelled to change the name of the test. However, I think it possible
that
> any question whose answer would be true for 9.0 but false for 9.2 might be
> removed.
> 
> Dennis Williams
> DBA
> Lifetouch, Inc.
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> 
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> 
> Hi,
> 
> I'm currently studying for this exam but can't find info to say whether
the
> exam covers 9.2 or just 9.0. Anyone any clues
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Chris Dunscombe
> 
> 
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RE: RE: OCP 9i New Features for DBAs

[Dunscombe, Chris]

Ryan,

I took my exam yesterday and passed!! I used the Oracle Press -  OCP Oracle
9i Database: New Features for Administrators Exam Guide book. Even though
there are a number of inaccuracies it was good preparation especially the
sample exams it provides. Regarding 9.2 vs 9.0 content in the exam it all
seemed to be 9.0.

Hope all goes well when you take your exam.

Cheers,

Chris 

-Original Message-
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im going to take it soon. I was going to just read howard rogers guide then
the otn one. 

you think that is enough? I just want to pass it and get my piece of paper.
I already know the 9i stuff that is useful to me. 
> 
> From: DENNIS WILLIAMS <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: 2003/11/12 Wed PM 12:19:32 EST
> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: RE: OCP 9i New Features for DBAs
> 
> Chris
>I'm betting on 9.0. For it to cover 9.2 would have meant that Oracle
> would have had to go back and recreate the test. And Oracle would have
felt
> compelled to change the name of the test. However, I think it possible
that
> any question whose answer would be true for 9.0 but false for 9.2 might be
> removed.
> 
> Dennis Williams
> DBA
> Lifetouch, Inc.
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> 
> -Original Message-
> Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 10:24 AM
> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> 
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I'm currently studying for this exam but can't find info to say whether
the
> exam covers 9.2 or just 9.0. Anyone any clues
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Chris Dunscombe
> 
> 
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Re: RE: OCP 9i New Features for DBAs

[ryan_oracle]

im going to take it soon. I was going to just read howard rogers guide then the otn 
one. 

you think that is enough? I just want to pass it and get my piece of paper. I already 
know the 9i stuff that is useful to me. 
> 
> From: DENNIS WILLIAMS <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: 2003/11/12 Wed PM 12:19:32 EST
> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: RE: OCP 9i New Features for DBAs
> 
> Chris
>I'm betting on 9.0. For it to cover 9.2 would have meant that Oracle
> would have had to go back and recreate the test. And Oracle would have felt
> compelled to change the name of the test. However, I think it possible that
> any question whose answer would be true for 9.0 but false for 9.2 might be
> removed.
> 
> Dennis Williams
> DBA
> Lifetouch, Inc.
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> 
> -Original Message-
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> 
> Hi,
> 
> I'm currently studying for this exam but can't find info to say whether the
> exam covers 9.2 or just 9.0. Anyone any clues
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Chris Dunscombe
> 
> 
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RE: RE: OCP Architecture question

[DENNIS WILLIAMS]

Ryan
   I have found the actual OCP questions to be clearer. I think it is very
hard to develop a good multiple choice exam. And these are tricky because
the objective is to test more than simple memorization. You need to
administer it to many people and find out which questions aren't clear or
are easily misinterpreted. Oracle has the resources to do that, an
individual author isn't. My claim is that if you have mastered the material
enough to point out flaws with your preparation materials, dude you're ready
to pass the exam.

Dennis Williams
DBA, 80%OCP, 100% DBA
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yeah thats what i figured... but having these certifications are good for my
career. 

thanks. I figured it was a stupid question. 
> 
> From: "Cary Millsap" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: 2003/08/15 Fri AM 01:14:23 EDT
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> Subject: RE: OCP Architecture question
> 
> With respect to evaluating answer number one, it's a bad question,
> because you have know way to know whether the context is supposed to be
> 
>  
> 
> a)   assume a fixed rollback segment size, but use fewer, larger
> extents; or
> 
> b)   make the rollback segment larger by using the same number of
> larger extents.
> 
>  
> 
> In context (a), #1 is a bad answer. In context (b), it's a better
> answer, but it's still poor.
> 
>  
> 
> The thing that really chaps me about stupid certification questions like
> this is that no answer among the choices listed is really the right
> thing for you to try to do, which is:
> 
>  
> 
> FIX THE QUERY THAT'S TAKING SO LONG TO RUN.
> 
>  
> 
> In other words, make queries run quickly enough that they don't require
> multiple-hour-old undo blocks to produce read-consistent results.
> 
>  
> 
> Jacking around with rollback segments is just a kludge that will produce
> results far inferior to what you can achieve by attacking the query
> problem at its root.
> 
>  
> 
> Cary Millsap
> Hotsos Enterprises, Ltd.
> http://www.hotsos.com
> 
> Upcoming events:
> - Hotsos Clinic   101 in
> Sydney
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> March 7-10 Dallas
> - Visit www.hotsos.com for schedule details...
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> -Original Message-
> Tim Gorman
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> 
>  
> 
> They all allow the RBS to be bigger.  More space available for RBS
> roughly equals fewer ORA-01555, for most situations...
> 
> 
> 
> on 8/14/03 6:24 PM, Ryan at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> Im using the self test software and here is a question... I dont like
> the answers. Please tell me if Im wrong.
> 
> Which Three methods can be used to avoid snapshot too old errors. This
> is for the 8i test. 
> 
> 1. User larger extents
> 2. Increase MAXEXTENTS for existing rollback segments
> 3. Create rollback segments with higher optimal values
> 4. Create rollback segments iwth high minextents
> 5. Run long queries when transaction processing is high. 
> 
> Ruling out 5 is obvious. The test says its. 
> 
> 1,3,4
> 
> How does using large extents help this? What about a higher minextents
> value? 
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 
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Re: RE: OCP Architecture question

[rgaffuri]

i have all of it or 8i. this question was in architecture. I havent looked at the sql 
and pl/sql stuff since the cert test for that was a blowoff. 
> 
> From: "Ed Sherman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: 2003/08/15 Fri AM 09:00:43 EDT
> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: RE: OCP Architecture question
> 
> Ryan,
> 
> I will research the answer but I have an urgent question.
> 
> Do you have SelfTest Software for the SQL and PL/SQL test or do you have the
> Architecure and Administration SelfTest Software?
> 
> Thanks,
> Ed
>   -Original Message-
>   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of
> Ryan
>   Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2003 9:24 PM
>   To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
>   Subject: OCP Architecture question
> 
> 
>   Im using the self test software and here is a question... I dont like the
> answers. Please tell me if Im wrong.
> 
>   Which Three methods can be used to avoid snapshot too old errors. This is
> for the 8i test.
> 
>   1. User larger extents
>   2. Increase MAXEXTENTS for existing rollback segments
>   3. Create rollback segments with higher optimal values
>   4. Create rollback segments iwth high minextents
>   5. Run long queries when transaction processing is high.
> 
>   Ruling out 5 is obvious. The test says its.
> 
>   1,3,4
> 
>   How does using large extents help this? What about a higher minextents
> value?
> 
> 



Ryan,
 
I will 
research the answer but I have an urgent question.
 
Do you 
have SelfTest Software for the SQL and PL/SQL test or do you have the 
Architecure and Administration SelfTest Software?
 
Thanks,
Ed

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  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of RyanSent: 
  Thursday, August 14, 2003 9:24 PMTo: Multiple recipients of list 
  ORACLE-LSubject: OCP Architecture question
  Im using the self test software and here is a 
  question... I dont like the answers. Please tell me if Im wrong.
   
  Which Three methods can be used to avoid snapshot 
  too old errors. This is for the 8i test. 
   
  1. User larger extents
  2. Increase MAXEXTENTS for existing rollback 
  segments
  3. Create rollback segments with higher optimal 
  values
  4. Create rollback segments iwth high 
  minextents
  5. Run long queries when transaction processing 
  is high. 
   
  Ruling out 5 is obvious. The test says its. 
  
   
  1,3,4
   
  How does using large extents help this? What 
  about a higher minextents value? 

Re: RE: OCP Architecture question

[rgaffuri]

yeah thats what i figured... but having these certifications are good for my career. 

thanks. I figured it was a stupid question. 
> 
> From: "Cary Millsap" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: 2003/08/15 Fri AM 01:14:23 EDT
> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: RE: OCP Architecture question
> 
> With respect to evaluating answer number one, it's a bad question,
> because you have know way to know whether the context is supposed to be
> 
>  
> 
> a)   assume a fixed rollback segment size, but use fewer, larger
> extents; or
> 
> b)   make the rollback segment larger by using the same number of
> larger extents.
> 
>  
> 
> In context (a), #1 is a bad answer. In context (b), it's a better
> answer, but it's still poor.
> 
>  
> 
> The thing that really chaps me about stupid certification questions like
> this is that no answer among the choices listed is really the right
> thing for you to try to do, which is:
> 
>  
> 
> FIX THE QUERY THAT'S TAKING SO LONG TO RUN.
> 
>  
> 
> In other words, make queries run quickly enough that they don't require
> multiple-hour-old undo blocks to produce read-consistent results.
> 
>  
> 
> Jacking around with rollback segments is just a kludge that will produce
> results far inferior to what you can achieve by attacking the query
> problem at its root.
> 
>  
> 
> Cary Millsap
> Hotsos Enterprises, Ltd.
> http://www.hotsos.com
> 
> Upcoming events:
> - Hotsos Clinic   101 in
> Sydney
> - Hotsos Symposium 2004 
> March 7-10 Dallas
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> 
> -Original Message-
> Tim Gorman
> Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2003 10:54 PM
> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> 
>  
> 
> They all allow the RBS to be bigger.  More space available for RBS
> roughly equals fewer ORA-01555, for most situations...
> 
> 
> 
> on 8/14/03 6:24 PM, Ryan at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> Im using the self test software and here is a question... I dont like
> the answers. Please tell me if Im wrong.
> 
> Which Three methods can be used to avoid snapshot too old errors. This
> is for the 8i test. 
> 
> 1. User larger extents
> 2. Increase MAXEXTENTS for existing rollback segments
> 3. Create rollback segments with higher optimal values
> 4. Create rollback segments iwth high minextents
> 5. Run long queries when transaction processing is high. 
> 
> Ruling out 5 is obvious. The test says its. 
> 
> 1,3,4
> 
> How does using large extents help this? What about a higher minextents
> value? 
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 
Title: Re: OCP Architecture question








With respect to evaluating answer number
one, it’s a bad question, because you have know way to know whether the
context is supposed to be

 

a)  
assume a fixed rollback
segment size, but use fewer, larger extents; or

b)  
make the rollback segment
larger by using the same number of larger extents.

 

In context (a), #1 is a bad answer. In
context (b), it’s a better answer, but it’s still poor.

 

The thing that really chaps me about stupid
certification questions like this is that no answer among the choices listed is
really the right thing for you to try to do, which is:

 

FIX THE QUERY THAT’S
TAKING SO LONG TO RUN.

 

In other words, make queries run quickly
enough that they don’t require multiple-hour-old undo blocks to produce
read-consistent results.

 

Jacking around with rollback segments is
just a kludge that will produce results far inferior to what you can achieve by
attacking the query problem at its root.

 



Cary Millsap
Hotsos Enterprises, Ltd.
http://www.hotsos.com

Upcoming events:
- Hotsos Clinic 101
in Sydney
- Hotsos Symposium 2004
March 7–10 Dallas
- Visit www.hotsos.com for schedule details...



-Original Message-
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tim
Gorman
Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2003
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To: Multiple recipients of list
ORACLE-L
Subject: Re: OCP Architecture
question

 

They
all allow the RBS to be bigger.  More space available for RBS roughly
equals fewer ORA-01555, for most situations...



on 8/14/03 6:24 PM, Ryan at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Im
using the self test software and here is a question... I dont like the answers.
Please tell me if Im wrong.

Which Three methods can be used to avoid snapshot too old errors. This
is for the 8i test. 

1. User larger extents
2. Increase MAXEXTENTS for existing rollback segments
3. Create rollback segments with higher optimal values
4. Create rollback segments iwth high minextents
5. Run long queries when transaction processing is high. 

Ruling out 5 is obvious. The test says its. 

1,3,4

How does using large extents help this? What about a higher minextents
value? 

 

Re: RE: ocp discount

[Shamita Singh]

Yes, that's it.
 
Shamita Singh
AK <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:




is it OTN20 ?
 
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Subject: RE: RE: ocp discount

when you signed up with technet there should have been an announcement or a splash screen that gave you a discount code... you have to type that in when you register for the tests.  Don't remember what the code was, off hand, but I remember it was delivered in one of those two manners. 
April Wells Oracle DBA/Oracle Apps DBA Corporate Systems Amarillo Texas 
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Re: RE: ocp discount

[AK]

Title: RE: RE: ocp discount



is it OTN20 ?
 
-ak

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  Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 11:01 
AM
  Subject: RE: RE: ocp discount
  
  when you signed up with technet there should have been an 
  announcement or a splash screen that gave you a discount code... you have to 
  type that in when you register for the tests.  Don't remember what the 
  code was, off hand, but I remember it was delivered in one of those two 
  manners. 
  April Wells Oracle DBA/Oracle Apps 
  DBA Corporate Systems Amarillo 
  Texas 
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  im registered with technet and when i signed up to take my 
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  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: 2003/05/27 Tue PM 
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  > to get it, you register with technet. 
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  ? >  > -ak 
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RE: RE: ocp discount

[DENNIS WILLIAMS]

When you signed up for the exam, there was a question as to whether you had
any discount codes. It is the same screen that asks if you are an Oracle
employee. If you enter the code on that screen, then you receive the
discount. 
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im registered with technet and when i signed up to take my tests with
prometric? I was charged the same $125/test? 
> 
> From: April Wells <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: 2003/05/27 Tue PM 01:04:44 EDT
> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: RE: ocp discount
> 
> 
> yes they do.
>  
> to get it, you register with technet.
> otn.oracle.com
>  
> 
> April Wells 
> Oracle DBA/Oracle Apps DBA 
> Corporate Systems 
> Amarillo Texas 
> 
> You will recognize your own path when you come upon it, because you will
> suddenly have all the energy and imagination you will ever need.
> 
> ~ Jerry Gillies ~ 
> 
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> 
> I heard/read they give 20% discount on ocp exam fee if u are registered
with
> technet .
> Can any body confirm that . How do I get that discount ?
>  
> -ak
>  
> 
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RE: RE: ocp discount

[M Rafiq]

OTN20

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when you signed up with technet there should have been an announcement or a
splash screen that gave you a discount code... you have to type that in when
you register for the tests.  Don't remember what the code was, off hand, but
I remember it was delivered in one of those two manners.
April Wells
Oracle DBA/Oracle Apps DBA
Corporate Systems
Amarillo Texas
You will recognize your own path when you come upon it, because you will
suddenly have all the energy and imagination you will ever need.
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Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 12:35 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
im registered with technet and when i signed up to take my tests with
prometric? I was charged the same $125/test?
>
> From: April Wells <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: 2003/05/27 Tue PM 01:04:44 EDT
> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: RE: ocp discount
>
>
> yes they do.
>
> to get it, you register with technet.
> otn.oracle.com
>
>
> April Wells
> Oracle DBA/Oracle Apps DBA
> Corporate Systems
> Amarillo Texas
>
> You will recognize your own path when you come upon it, because you will
> suddenly have all the energy and imagination you will ever need.
>
> ~ Jerry Gillies ~
>
> -Original Message-
> Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 11:45 AM
> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
>
>
> I heard/read they give 20% discount on ocp exam fee if u are registered
with
> technet .
> Can any body confirm that . How do I get that discount ?
>
> -ak
>
>
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RE: RE: ocp discount

[April Wells]

Title: RE: RE: ocp discount





when you signed up with technet there should have been an announcement or a splash screen that gave you a discount code... you have to type that in when you register for the tests.  Don't remember what the code was, off hand, but I remember it was delivered in one of those two manners. 

April Wells
Oracle DBA/Oracle Apps DBA
Corporate Systems
Amarillo Texas


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im registered with technet and when i signed up to take my tests with prometric? I was charged the same $125/test? 
> 
> From: April Wells <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: 2003/05/27 Tue PM 01:04:44 EDT
> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: RE: ocp discount
> 
> 
> yes they do.
>  
> to get it, you register with technet.
> otn.oracle.com
>  
> 
> April Wells 
> Oracle DBA/Oracle Apps DBA 
> Corporate Systems 
> Amarillo Texas 
> 
> You will recognize your own path when you come upon it, because you will
> suddenly have all the energy and imagination you will ever need.
> 
> ~ Jerry Gillies ~ 
> 
> -Original Message-
> Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 11:45 AM
> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> 
> 
> I heard/read they give 20% discount on ocp exam fee if u are registered with
> technet .
> Can any body confirm that . How do I get that discount ?
>  
> -ak
>  
> 
> 
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Re: RE: ocp discount

[rgaffuri]

im registered with technet and when i signed up to take my tests with prometric? I was 
charged the same $125/test? 
> 
> From: April Wells <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: 2003/05/27 Tue PM 01:04:44 EDT
> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: RE: ocp discount
> 
> 
> yes they do.
>  
> to get it, you register with technet.
> otn.oracle.com
>  
> 
> April Wells 
> Oracle DBA/Oracle Apps DBA 
> Corporate Systems 
> Amarillo Texas 
> 
> You will recognize your own path when you come upon it, because you will
> suddenly have all the energy and imagination you will ever need.
> 
> ~ Jerry Gillies ~ 
> 
> -Original Message-
> Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 11:45 AM
> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> 
> 
> I heard/read they give 20% discount on ocp exam fee if u are registered with
> technet .
> Can any body confirm that . How do I get that discount ?
>  
> -ak
>  
> 
> 
> The information contained in this communication, including attachments, is strictly 
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yes they do.
 
to get it, you register with technet.
otn.oracle.com
 
April Wells Oracle DBA/Oracle Apps DBA Corporate Systems Amarillo Texas 
You will recognize your own path when you 
come upon it, because you will suddenly have all the energy and imagination you 
will ever need.
~ Jerry Gillies ~ 

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  discount
  I heard/read they give 20% discount on ocp exam 
  fee if u are registered with technet .
  Can any body confirm that . How do I get that 
  discount ?
   
  -ak
   
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RE: Re: OCP

[Darrell Landrum]

John,

Just to clarify, that wasn't me that said you only need to get 50 % correct on the 9i 
upgrade exam.  This thread looks like it, but my message follows:
> 
> From: "Darrell Landrum" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Thanks,
Darrell

>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 03/13/03 03:23AM >>>
Well said Kirti - 
Darell, you wil fail every OCP exam  you take with 50%. You need a minimum of about 
65% and up to 75% on others (don't know why they vary so much)

John

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>>> You only need to get 50% of the questions right on the upgrade tests.

Why not set the goal to it get 100% right?  ;) 

- Kirti 



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I didnt realize that you might be able to do the 8i one without handing $2k to oracle 
for their class and taking the upgrade exams is a better path.

anyone know if this is possible? You only need to get 50% of the questions right on 
the upgrade tests. 

> 
> From: "Darrell Landrum" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: 2003/03/12 Wed AM 07:48:43 EST
> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: OCP
> 
> Jay,
> 
> One thing to consider is that just starting the 9i track and if you've not taken any 
> OCP exams prior to September of 2002, there is a requirement to attend one 9i 
> training class in addition to the exams.  However (you'll probably need to call 
> Oracle to get a solid answer to this), if you can still take the 8i track with no 
> classroom training and then take the 9i upgrade exam (if they allow this with no 
> classroom training), this would be your least expensive route since the classes are 
> quite expensive.  The down side is a total of six exams instead of just four.
> If your company is willing to send you to one of the 9i classes, I would take 
> advantage of that and just go for the 9i track.
> 
> Good luck!
> Darrell
> 
> 

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RE: Re: OCP

[Hallas, John, Tech Dev]

Well said Kirti - 
Darell, you wil fail every OCP exam  you take with 50%. You need a minimum of about 
65% and up to 75% on others (don't know why they vary so much)

John

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>>> You only need to get 50% of the questions right on the upgrade tests.

Why not set the goal to it get 100% right?  ;) 

- Kirti 



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I didnt realize that you might be able to do the 8i one without handing $2k to oracle 
for their class and taking the upgrade exams is a better path.

anyone know if this is possible? You only need to get 50% of the questions right on 
the upgrade tests. 

> 
> From: "Darrell Landrum" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: 2003/03/12 Wed AM 07:48:43 EST
> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: OCP
> 
> Jay,
> 
> One thing to consider is that just starting the 9i track and if you've not taken any 
> OCP exams prior to September of 2002, there is a requirement to attend one 9i 
> training class in addition to the exams.  However (you'll probably need to call 
> Oracle to get a solid answer to this), if you can still take the 8i track with no 
> classroom training and then take the 9i upgrade exam (if they allow this with no 
> classroom training), this would be your least expensive route since the classes are 
> quite expensive.  The down side is a total of six exams instead of just four.
> If your company is willing to send you to one of the 9i classes, I would take 
> advantage of that and just go for the 9i track.
> 
> Good luck!
> Darrell
> 
> 

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RE: Re: OCP

[kirti . deshpande]

>>> You only need to get 50% of the questions right on the upgrade tests.

Why not set the goal to it get 100% right?  ;) 

- Kirti 



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I didnt realize that you might be able to do the 8i one without handing $2k
to oracle for their class and taking the upgrade exams is a better path.

anyone know if this is possible? You only need to get 50% of the questions
right on the upgrade tests. 

> 
> From: "Darrell Landrum" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: 2003/03/12 Wed AM 07:48:43 EST
> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: OCP
> 
> Jay,
> 
> One thing to consider is that just starting the 9i track and if you've not
taken any OCP exams prior to September of 2002, there is a requirement to
attend one 9i training class in addition to the exams.  However (you'll
probably need to call Oracle to get a solid answer to this), if you can
still take the 8i track with no classroom training and then take the 9i
upgrade exam (if they allow this with no classroom training), this would be
your least expensive route since the classes are quite expensive.  The down
side is a total of six exams instead of just four.
> If your company is willing to send you to one of the 9i classes, I would
take advantage of that and just go for the 9i track.
> 
> Good luck!
> Darrell
> 
> 

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RE: Re: OCP

[peter . sharman]

I think there are a couple of ways you can do this.  Firstly, if you ring
Prometric and try to register for the 9i Upgrade exam.  IIRC, they'll ask
you for your SSN and their system should reject you if you don't have the
necessary pre-req certification.  Secondly, you can send an email to
[EMAIL PROTECTED]  .  From what it says on
http://www.oracle.com/education/certification/faq/index.html?faq8.html
 ,
we're attempting to build an automated way of doing this.  Problem is of
course that all the records are actually held by Prometric as an independent
body, so there may be legal issues with Oracle having a way to access that.
 
As for the 50% passing score, sorry that's just wrong.  As you can see here
(http://www.oracle.com/education/certification/index.html?dba9i_exam.html

), the passing score for that exam is 70%.
 

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So how can you check the status of your 8i OCP so you can sign up for the 9i
OCP upgrade exam?  

-Original Message- 
 ] 
Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 8:59 AM 
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L 


>>> You only need to get 50% of the questions right on the upgrade tests. 

Why not set the goal to it get 100% right?  ;) 

- Kirti 



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Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 7:29 AM 
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L 


I didnt realize that you might be able to do the 8i one without handing $2k
to oracle for their class and taking the upgrade exams is a better path.

anyone know if this is possible? You only need to get 50% of the questions
right on the upgrade tests. 

> 
> From: "Darrell Landrum" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> Date: 2003/03/12 Wed AM 07:48:43 EST 
> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> Subject: Re: OCP 
> 
> Jay, 
> 
> One thing to consider is that just starting the 9i track and if you've not
taken any OCP exams prior to September of 2002, there is a requirement to
attend one 9i training class in addition to the exams.  However (you'll
probably need to call Oracle to get a solid answer to this), if you can
still take the 8i track with no classroom training and then take the 9i
upgrade exam (if they allow this with no classroom training), this would be
your least expensive route since the classes are quite expensive.  The down
side is a total of six exams instead of just four.

> If your company is willing to send you to one of the 9i classes, I would
take advantage of that and just go for the 9i track.

> 
> Good luck! 
> Darrell 
> 
> 

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RE: Re: OCP

[DENNIS WILLIAMS]

Pete - You've made my day. We had some education money to use or lose last
fall, and the 9i New Features class was offered locally. I thought I might
be able to take the upgrade class even though I  hadn't completed the 8i
route. December is not a good month for finding study time, so I shelved
that idea. I'm glad I didn't waste time cramming for a test I might not have
been qualified for. The 50% comment jolted me because I could probably have
made that without cramming.



Dennis Williams 
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I think there are a couple of ways you can do this.  Firstly, if you ring
Prometric and try to register for the 9i Upgrade exam.  IIRC, they'll ask
you for your SSN and their system should reject you if you don't have the
necessary pre-req certification.  Secondly, you can send an email to
[EMAIL PROTECTED]  .  From what it says on
http://www.oracle.com/education/certification/faq/index.html?faq8.html
 ,
we're attempting to build an automated way of doing this.  Problem is of
course that all the records are actually held by Prometric as an independent
body, so there may be legal issues with Oracle having a way to access that.
 
As for the 50% passing score, sorry that's just wrong.  As you can see here
( http://www.oracle.com/education/certification/index.html?dba9i_exam.html

), the passing score for that exam is 70%.
 

Pete



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So how can you check the status of your 8i OCP so you can sign up for the 9i
OCP upgrade exam?  

-Original Message- 
 ] 
Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 8:59 AM 
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L 


>>> You only need to get 50% of the questions right on the upgrade tests. 

Why not set the goal to it get 100% right?  ;) 

- Kirti 



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To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L 


I didnt realize that you might be able to do the 8i one without handing $2k
to oracle for their class and taking the upgrade exams is a better path.

anyone know if this is possible? You only need to get 50% of the questions
right on the upgrade tests. 

> 
> From: "Darrell Landrum" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> Date: 2003/03/12 Wed AM 07:48:43 EST 
> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> Subject: Re: OCP 
> 
> Jay, 
> 
> One thing to consider is that just starting the 9i track and if you've not
taken any OCP exams prior to September of 2002, there is a requirement to
attend one 9i training class in addition to the exams.  However (you'll
probably need to call Oracle to get a solid answer to this), if you can
still take the 8i track with no classroom training and then take the 9i
upgrade exam (if they allow this with no classroom training), this would be
your least expensive route since the classes are quite expensive.  The down
side is a total of six exams instead of just four.

> If your company is willing to send you to one of the 9i classes, I would
take advantage of that and just go for the 9i track.

> 
> Good luck! 
> Darrell 
> 
> 

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RE: Re: OCP

[Pete Sharman]

Title: Message



I think there are a couple of ways you can do this.  Firstly, if you 
ring Prometric and try to register for the 9i Upgrade exam.  IIRC, 
they'll ask you for your SSN and their system should reject you if you don't 
have the necessary pre-req certification.  Secondly, you can send an email 
to [EMAIL PROTECTED].  From 
what it says on http://www.oracle.com/education/certification/faq/index.html?faq8.html, 
we're attempting to build an automated way of doing this.  Problem is of 
course that all the records are actually held by Prometric as an independent 
body, so there may be legal issues with Oracle having a way to access 
that.
 
As for the 50% passing score, sorry that's just wrong.  As you can 
see here (http://www.oracle.com/education/certification/index.html?dba9i_exam.html), 
the passing score for that exam is 70%.
 

Pete

"Controlling 
developers is like herding cats."
Kevin 
Loney, Oracle DBA Handbook
"Oh 
no, it's not.  It's much harder than 
that!"
Bruce 
Pihlamae, long-term Oracle DBA
 

  
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  6:39 AMTo: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-LSubject: 
  RE: Re: OCP
  So how can you check the status of your 8i OCP so you can sign 
  up for the 9i OCP upgrade exam?  
  -Original Message- From: 
  Deshpande, Kirti [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
  Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 8:59 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: RE: Re: OCP 
  >>> You only need to get 50% of the questions right 
  on the upgrade tests. 
  Why not set the goal to it get 100% right?  ;) 

  - Kirti 
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  recipients of list ORACLE-L 
  I didnt realize that you might be able to do the 8i one 
  without handing $2k to oracle for their class and taking the upgrade exams is 
  a better path.
  anyone know if this is possible? You only need to get 50% of 
  the questions right on the upgrade tests. 
  > > From: "Darrell Landrum" 
  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: 2003/03/12 
  Wed AM 07:48:43 EST > To: Multiple recipients of 
  list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > 
  Subject: Re: OCP > > 
  Jay, > > One thing to 
  consider is that just starting the 9i track and if you've not taken any OCP 
  exams prior to September of 2002, there is a requirement to attend one 9i 
  training class in addition to the exams.  However (you'll probably need 
  to call Oracle to get a solid answer to this), if you can still take the 8i 
  track with no classroom training and then take the 9i upgrade exam (if they 
  allow this with no classroom training), this would be your least expensive 
  route since the classes are quite expensive.  The down side is a total of 
  six exams instead of just four.
  > If your company is willing to send you to one of the 9i 
  classes, I would take advantage of that and just go for the 9i 
  track.
  > > Good luck! > Darrell > > 
  
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RE: Re: OCP

[DENNIS WILLIAMS]

50% ?? You're joshing me!

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I didnt realize that you might be able to do the 8i one without handing $2k
to oracle for their class and taking the upgrade exams is a better path.

anyone know if this is possible? You only need to get 50% of the questions
right on the upgrade tests. 

> 
> From: "Darrell Landrum" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: 2003/03/12 Wed AM 07:48:43 EST
> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: OCP
> 
> Jay,
> 
> One thing to consider is that just starting the 9i track and if you've not
taken any OCP exams prior to September of 2002, there is a requirement to
attend one 9i training class in addition to the exams.  However (you'll
probably need to call Oracle to get a solid answer to this), if you can
still take the 8i track with no classroom training and then take the 9i
upgrade exam (if they allow this with no classroom training), this would be
your least expensive route since the classes are quite expensive.  The down
side is a total of six exams instead of just four.
> If your company is willing to send you to one of the 9i classes, I would
take advantage of that and just go for the 9i track.
> 
> Good luck!
> Darrell
> 
> >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 03/12/03 04:09AM >>>
> Dear All,
> 
> I plan to take up Oracle Certification (DBA) very soon. Iam quite confused

> about the
> tracks and the exams. Is it better to pass OCP 8i and then upgrade to 9i 
> or go
> straight for the 9i OCP DBA title, with regard to the complexities of the 
> exam.
> 
> Thanks in advance for all your help and guidance which would be really 
> helpful.
> 
> Best Regards
> Jai
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RE: Re: OCP

[Ron Rogers]

Paula,
 When you completed the OCP exams, you were given a "report card" that
was stamped and sealed by the test provider with a passed notation.
After you have completed all of the requirements for the particular
track you were taking you should receive a certificate and card from the
Oracle Corp.
 The report from the testing orginization had a disclamer that you
should safe guard the report a proof of completing a track.
Ron

>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 03/12/03 09:39AM >>>
So how can you check the status of your 8i OCP so you can sign up for
the 9i
OCP upgrade exam?  

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>>> You only need to get 50% of the questions right on the upgrade
tests.

Why not set the goal to it get 100% right?  ;) 

- Kirti 



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I didnt realize that you might be able to do the 8i one without handing
$2k
to oracle for their class and taking the upgrade exams is a better
path.

anyone know if this is possible? You only need to get 50% of the
questions
right on the upgrade tests. 

> 
> From: "Darrell Landrum" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: 2003/03/12 Wed AM 07:48:43 EST
> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: OCP
> 
> Jay,
> 
> One thing to consider is that just starting the 9i track and if
you've not
taken any OCP exams prior to September of 2002, there is a requirement
to
attend one 9i training class in addition to the exams.  However
(you'll
probably need to call Oracle to get a solid answer to this), if you
can
still take the 8i track with no classroom training and then take the
9i
upgrade exam (if they allow this with no classroom training), this
would be
your least expensive route since the classes are quite expensive.  The
down
side is a total of six exams instead of just four.
> If your company is willing to send you to one of the 9i classes, I
would
take advantage of that and just go for the 9i track.
> 
> Good luck!
> Darrell
> 
> 

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RE: Re: OCP

[Paula_Stankus]

Title: RE: Re: OCP





So how can you check the status of your 8i OCP so you can sign up for the 9i OCP upgrade exam?  


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>>> You only need to get 50% of the questions right on the upgrade tests.


Why not set the goal to it get 100% right?  ;) 


- Kirti 




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I didnt realize that you might be able to do the 8i one without handing $2k to oracle for their class and taking the upgrade exams is a better path.

anyone know if this is possible? You only need to get 50% of the questions right on the upgrade tests. 


> 
> From: "Darrell Landrum" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: 2003/03/12 Wed AM 07:48:43 EST
> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: OCP
> 
> Jay,
> 
> One thing to consider is that just starting the 9i track and if you've not taken any OCP exams prior to September of 2002, there is a requirement to attend one 9i training class in addition to the exams.  However (you'll probably need to call Oracle to get a solid answer to this), if you can still take the 8i track with no classroom training and then take the 9i upgrade exam (if they allow this with no classroom training), this would be your least expensive route since the classes are quite expensive.  The down side is a total of six exams instead of just four.

> If your company is willing to send you to one of the 9i classes, I would take advantage of that and just go for the 9i track.

> 
> Good luck!
> Darrell
> 
> 


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RE: Re: OCP

[Deshpande, Kirti]

>>> You only need to get 50% of the questions right on the upgrade tests.

Why not set the goal to it get 100% right?  ;) 

- Kirti 



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I didnt realize that you might be able to do the 8i one without handing $2k to oracle 
for their class and taking the upgrade exams is a better path.

anyone know if this is possible? You only need to get 50% of the questions right on 
the upgrade tests. 

> 
> From: "Darrell Landrum" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: 2003/03/12 Wed AM 07:48:43 EST
> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: OCP
> 
> Jay,
> 
> One thing to consider is that just starting the 9i track and if you've not taken any 
> OCP exams prior to September of 2002, there is a requirement to attend one 9i 
> training class in addition to the exams.  However (you'll probably need to call 
> Oracle to get a solid answer to this), if you can still take the 8i track with no 
> classroom training and then take the 9i upgrade exam (if they allow this with no 
> classroom training), this would be your least expensive route since the classes are 
> quite expensive.  The down side is a total of six exams instead of just four.
> If your company is willing to send you to one of the 9i classes, I would take 
> advantage of that and just go for the 9i track.
> 
> Good luck!
> Darrell
> 
> 

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Re: Re: OCP

[rgaffuri]

I didnt realize that you might be able to do the 8i one without handing $2k to oracle 
for their class and taking the upgrade exams is a better path.

anyone know if this is possible? You only need to get 50% of the questions right on 
the upgrade tests. 

> 
> From: "Darrell Landrum" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: 2003/03/12 Wed AM 07:48:43 EST
> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: OCP
> 
> Jay,
> 
> One thing to consider is that just starting the 9i track and if you've not taken any 
> OCP exams prior to September of 2002, there is a requirement to attend one 9i 
> training class in addition to the exams.  However (you'll probably need to call 
> Oracle to get a solid answer to this), if you can still take the 8i track with no 
> classroom training and then take the 9i upgrade exam (if they allow this with no 
> classroom training), this would be your least expensive route since the classes are 
> quite expensive.  The down side is a total of six exams instead of just four.
> If your company is willing to send you to one of the 9i classes, I would take 
> advantage of that and just go for the 9i track.
> 
> Good luck!
> Darrell
> 
> >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 03/12/03 04:09AM >>>
> Dear All,
> 
> I plan to take up Oracle Certification (DBA) very soon. Iam quite confused 
> about the
> tracks and the exams. Is it better to pass OCP 8i and then upgrade to 9i 
> or go
> straight for the 9i OCP DBA title, with regard to the complexities of the 
> exam.
> 
> Thanks in advance for all your help and guidance which would be really 
> helpful.
> 
> Best Regards
> Jai
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Re: RE: OCP newsletter, latest changes...

[Jared Still]

This new certification test sounds similar to what Cisco does,
and Cisco certification is highly regarded among networking
folks, as you must know what you're doing to obtain certification.

As I recall, it takes a couple of days to get through it all.

Anyone know what the Cisco tests cost?

Jared

On Tuesday 18 June 2002 06:18, Karniotis, Stephen wrote:
> Hey folks.
>
>   I just saw this thread this morning.  What a crime.  It seems that the
> only way Oracle can generate sufficient streams of revenue is to punish
> those that popularize their software for the market.  As an Oracle DBA and
> IT Manager, I will not pay for any of my staff to obtain a certification
> that requires such a ridiculous configuration.  It just shows that Oracle
> is trying to generate as much revenue as possible.  Given the state of
> today's economy, I don't think Oracle should be alienating their
> customer/PR base.
>
>   As far as the tax issue:  If training is not provided by your employer,
> and is required for your job, it can be deducted as business expense on
> form 2106.  For education, the feds allow for educational expenses and some
> states also allow for it.
>
> Thank You
>
> Stephen P. Karniotis
> Product Architect
> Compuware Corporation
> Direct:   (248) 865-4350
> Mobile:   (248) 408-2918
> Email:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>
>  -Original Message-
> Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 5:34 PM
> To:   Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> Subject:  RE: RE: OCP newsletter, latest changes...
>
> I know, I have that experience myself. What is the point
> in putting in the training, then?
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 5:22 PM
> > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> > Subject: Re:RE: OCP newsletter, latest changes...
> >
> >
> > In the US one can put training on their income tax forms, but
> > the IRS will
> > disallow it.
> >
> > Dick Goulet
> > One of the disallowed!
> >
> > Reply Separator
> > Author: "Boivin; Patrice J" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Date:   6/17/2002 12:05 PM
> >
> > I think this change will up the ante for corporations that do
> > not send their
> > staff to official training courses or expect that staff will
> > keep up to date
> > in their certifications on their own time and money, a $50
> > book out of one's
> > own pocket doesn't compare with a $2000 course.
> >
> > Employees in Canada can't deduct training etc. before income
> > taxes, only
> > consultants can.  I don't know if that's the case in the U.S.
> > or the UK as
> > well.
> >
> > Maybe more people will become consultants, but then again
> > there is a bit of
> > a crunch in the IT job sector right now.
> >
> >
> > Regards,
> > Patrice Boivin
> > Systems Analyst (Oracle Certified DBA)
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 4:44 PM
> > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> >
> >
> > Soon we will be required as a part of the hiring process to
> > make a visit to
> > Oracle for certification, medical check, and brain wash!
> >
> >  Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the
> > author and do not necessarily represent those of the company
> >
> >
> >  -Original Message-
> > Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 3:18 PM
> > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> >
> >
> >
> > I couldn't believe that, Ron, so I had to check it out myself.  You're
> > right:
> >
> >
> >
> > http://www.oracle.com/education/certification/index.html?dba9i
> > _ocmpract.html
> > <http://www.oracle.com/education/certification/index.html?dba9
> > i_ocmpract.htm
> > l>
> >
> >
> >
> > Oracle Certified Master DBA Practicum Exam
> >
> > An OCM candidate must successfully pass the Oracle Certified
> > Master DBA
> > practicum after having completed the required OU advanced learning
> > requirements. The practicum will be conducted at an Oracle University
> > facility in each global region. The location for Americas is
> > Chicago, IL.
> > The cost for the practicum is $2000.00 US Dollars. Locations
> > for EMEA and
> > APAC have not yet been determined.
> >
> >
> >
> > The practicum is a two-day, hands-on performance based event where
>

RE: RE: OCP newsletter, latest changes...

[Boivin, Patrice J]

In the U.S. employees can deduct business expenses?

Here in Canada it is only possible for self-employed individuals (i.e.
contractors), with some exceptions for taxi drivers, sales people,
waiters/waitresses etc.

Unless you have a letter from your manager re. training not possible, I
wonder how many of those are floating around.

Regards,
Patrice Boivin
Systems Analyst (Oracle Certified DBA)

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To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L


Hey folks.

  I just saw this thread this morning.  What a crime.  It seems that the
only way Oracle can generate sufficient streams of revenue is to punish
those that popularize their software for the market.  As an Oracle DBA and
IT Manager, I will not pay for any of my staff to obtain a certification
that requires such a ridiculous configuration.  It just shows that Oracle is
trying to generate as much revenue as possible.  Given the state of today's
economy, I don't think Oracle should be alienating their customer/PR base.

  As far as the tax issue:  If training is not provided by your employer,
and is required for your job, it can be deducted as business expense on form
2106.  For education, the feds allow for educational expenses and some
states also allow for it.

Thank You

Stephen P. Karniotis
Product Architect
Compuware Corporation
Direct: (248) 865-4350
Mobile: (248) 408-2918
Email:  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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RE: RE: OCP newsletter, latest changes...

[Karniotis, Stephen]

Hey folks.

  I just saw this thread this morning.  What a crime.  It seems that the
only way Oracle can generate sufficient streams of revenue is to punish
those that popularize their software for the market.  As an Oracle DBA and
IT Manager, I will not pay for any of my staff to obtain a certification
that requires such a ridiculous configuration.  It just shows that Oracle is
trying to generate as much revenue as possible.  Given the state of today's
economy, I don't think Oracle should be alienating their customer/PR base.

  As far as the tax issue:  If training is not provided by your employer,
and is required for your job, it can be deducted as business expense on form
2106.  For education, the feds allow for educational expenses and some
states also allow for it.

Thank You

Stephen P. Karniotis
Product Architect
Compuware Corporation
Direct: (248) 865-4350
Mobile: (248) 408-2918
Email:  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Web:www.compuware.com

 -Original Message-
Sent:   Monday, June 17, 2002 5:34 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
Subject:        RE: RE: OCP newsletter, latest changes...

I know, I have that experience myself. What is the point
in putting in the training, then?

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 5:22 PM
> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> Subject: Re:RE: OCP newsletter, latest changes...
> 
> 
> In the US one can put training on their income tax forms, but 
> the IRS will
> disallow it.
> 
> Dick Goulet
> One of the disallowed!
> 
> Reply Separator
> Author: "Boivin; Patrice J" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date:   6/17/2002 12:05 PM
> 
> I think this change will up the ante for corporations that do 
> not send their
> staff to official training courses or expect that staff will 
> keep up to date
> in their certifications on their own time and money, a $50 
> book out of one's
> own pocket doesn't compare with a $2000 course.
>  
> Employees in Canada can't deduct training etc. before income 
> taxes, only
> consultants can.  I don't know if that's the case in the U.S. 
> or the UK as
> well.
>  
> Maybe more people will become consultants, but then again 
> there is a bit of
> a crunch in the IT job sector right now.
> 
> 
> Regards, 
> Patrice Boivin 
> Systems Analyst (Oracle Certified DBA) 
> 
> -Original Message-
> Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 4:44 PM
> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> 
> 
> Soon we will be required as a part of the hiring process to 
> make a visit to
> Oracle for certification, medical check, and brain wash!
>  
>  Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the
> author and do not necessarily represent those of the company
> 
> 
>  -Original Message-
> Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 3:18 PM
> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> 
> 
> 
> I couldn't believe that, Ron, so I had to check it out myself.  You're
> right:
> 
>  
> 
> http://www.oracle.com/education/certification/index.html?dba9i
> _ocmpract.html
> <http://www.oracle.com/education/certification/index.html?dba9
> i_ocmpract.htm
> l> 
> 
>  
> 
> Oracle Certified Master DBA Practicum Exam 
> 
> An OCM candidate must successfully pass the Oracle Certified 
> Master DBA
> practicum after having completed the required OU advanced learning
> requirements. The practicum will be conducted at an Oracle University
> facility in each global region. The location for Americas is 
> Chicago, IL.
> The cost for the practicum is $2000.00 US Dollars. Locations 
> for EMEA and
> APAC have not yet been determined.
> 
>  
> 
> The practicum is a two-day, hands-on performance based event where
> candidates will be presented with numerous scenarios that 
> will require them
> to diagnose and solve highly technical Oracle server related 
> problems. Each
> candidate will have their own dedicated LINUX server that is 
> configured with
> the Oracle server software, Oracle Enterprise Manager, and the Oracle
> documentation set. 
> 
>  
> 
> Topics on the practicum include core database technology, database
> configuration, replication, partitioning, parallel 
> operations, diagnostics,
> troubleshooting, performance tuning, and backup and recovery. 
> Candidates may
> also encounter ad hoc database problems that they will have 
> to resolve,
> therefore simulating "real-world" database operations. Oracle 
> tools such as
> Oracle Enterprise Manager, Data Guard, Flashback, Recovery 
> Manager, and
> Oracle documentation will be availa

RE: RE: OCP newsletter, latest changes...

[Boivin, Patrice J]

Here in Canada I was told you can do it if you have a letter from your
employer stating that they are unable to provide you with the training you
require to stay up-to-date in your field.

I asked my previous manager if he could write me such a letter, he just
grinned and said: "well, it should be our responsibility to provide you with
the training you require to stay up to date in your field..." and no letter.

Since then I spoke with a contractor here, who said that if I keep
requesting for training and never get it, I can keep the e-mails as evidence
and submit them along with my income tax forms.  I'll give it a try, though
I give it a 5% chance of success.

The irony of all this is that I work for the Federal government here.

Regards,
Patrice Boivin
Systems Analyst (Oracle Certified DBA)


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 6:22 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L


In the US one can put training on their income tax forms, but the IRS will
disallow it.

Dick Goulet
One of the disallowed!

Reply Separator
Author: "Boivin; Patrice J" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date:   6/17/2002 12:05 PM

I think this change will up the ante for corporations that do not send their
staff to official training courses or expect that staff will keep up to date
in their certifications on their own time and money, a $50 book out of one's
own pocket doesn't compare with a $2000 course.
 
Employees in Canada can't deduct training etc. before income taxes, only
consultants can.  I don't know if that's the case in the U.S. or the UK as
well.
 
Maybe more people will become consultants, but then again there is a bit of
a crunch in the IT job sector right now.


Regards, 
Patrice Boivin 
Systems Analyst (Oracle Certified DBA) 

-Original Message-
Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 4:44 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L


Soon we will be required as a part of the hiring process to make a visit to
Oracle for certification, medical check, and brain wash!
 
 Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the
author and do not necessarily represent those of the company


 -Original Message-
Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 3:18 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L



I couldn't believe that, Ron, so I had to check it out myself.  You're
right:

 

http://www.oracle.com/education/certification/index.html?dba9i_ocmpract.html
 

 

Oracle Certified Master DBA Practicum Exam 

An OCM candidate must successfully pass the Oracle Certified Master DBA
practicum after having completed the required OU advanced learning
requirements. The practicum will be conducted at an Oracle University
facility in each global region. The location for Americas is Chicago, IL.
The cost for the practicum is $2000.00 US Dollars. Locations for EMEA and
APAC have not yet been determined.

 

The practicum is a two-day, hands-on performance based event where
candidates will be presented with numerous scenarios that will require them
to diagnose and solve highly technical Oracle server related problems. Each
candidate will have their own dedicated LINUX server that is configured with
the Oracle server software, Oracle Enterprise Manager, and the Oracle
documentation set. 

 

Topics on the practicum include core database technology, database
configuration, replication, partitioning, parallel operations, diagnostics,
troubleshooting, performance tuning, and backup and recovery. Candidates may
also encounter ad hoc database problems that they will have to resolve,
therefore simulating "real-world" database operations. Oracle tools such as
Oracle Enterprise Manager, Data Guard, Flashback, Recovery Manager, and
Oracle documentation will be available to candidates during the practicum. 

 

Candidates will be scored on their ability to successfully complete the
scenarios and if they obtain a passing score they will be awarded the OCM
certification. Based upon a candidate's performance during the practicum,
they may not be awarded the OCM certification if they do not achieve the
preset passing score.

 

I think that the price tag is a way too high to start with, but the thing
that really blew me away is that the test is on Linux only???  It's hard for
me to believe that they won't let you take it on your platform of choice,
especially for the hard-core-Windows guys out there.

 

And I have to use Enterprise Manager?  Give me a break - and a SQL> prompt.

 

Brian

 

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Rogers
Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 1:34 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L



 

Did you check out the prices for the OCM? Two classes plus $2,000 for

the exam the las