Re: Re: Oracle Masters exam
will you CEASE to give them more ideas on how to bleed the customer base dry? You say too many, they go and create another qualification even more expensive... :D Cheers Nuno Souto [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - > Too many. > > > > -Original Message- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > > how many ocms are there world wide? > -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Nuno Souto INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Re: Oracle Masters exam
So, what was your reason for taking the OCM exam Tanel? Mark -Original Message- Tanel Poder Sent: 08 September 2003 22:10 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L About 50 I believe. But there are probably more DBAs in the world who don't give a damn about this (or any other) certification, because they're good and known without it anyway. Most of OCMs are currently from States, only few in Europe. Tanel. - Original Message - To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, September 08, 2003 11:39 PM > Too many. > > -- > Mladen Gogala > Oracle DBA > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > > Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Monday, September 08, 2003 3:40 PM > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > Subject: Re: Re: Oracle Masters exam > > > > > > how many ocms are there world wide? > > > > > Note: > This message is for the named person's use only. It may contain confidential, proprietary or legally privileged information. No confidentiality or privilege is waived or lost by any mistransmission. If you receive this message in error, please immediately delete it and all copies of it from your system, destroy any hard copies of it and notify the sender. You must not, directly or indirectly, use, disclose, distribute, print, or copy any part of this message if you are not the intended recipient. Wang Trading LLC and any of its subsidiaries each reserve the right to monitor all e-mail communications through its networks. > Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, except where the message states otherwise and the sender is authorized to state them to be the views of any such entity. > > -- > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net > -- > Author: Mladen Gogala > INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com > San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services > - > To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message > to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in > the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L > (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may > also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). > -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Tanel Poder INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.515 / Virus Database: 313 - Release Date: 01/09/2003 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.515 / Virus Database: 313 - Release Date: 01/09/2003 -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Mark Leith INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: Re: Oracle Masters exam
About 50 I believe. But there are probably more DBAs in the world who don't give a damn about this (or any other) certification, because they're good and known without it anyway. Most of OCMs are currently from States, only few in Europe. Tanel. - Original Message - To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, September 08, 2003 11:39 PM > Too many. > > -- > Mladen Gogala > Oracle DBA > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > > Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Monday, September 08, 2003 3:40 PM > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > Subject: Re: Re: Oracle Masters exam > > > > > > how many ocms are there world wide? > > > > > Note: > This message is for the named person's use only. It may contain confidential, proprietary or legally privileged information. No confidentiality or privilege is waived or lost by any mistransmission. If you receive this message in error, please immediately delete it and all copies of it from your system, destroy any hard copies of it and notify the sender. You must not, directly or indirectly, use, disclose, distribute, print, or copy any part of this message if you are not the intended recipient. Wang Trading LLC and any of its subsidiaries each reserve the right to monitor all e-mail communications through its networks. > Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, except where the message states otherwise and the sender is authorized to state them to be the views of any such entity. > > -- > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net > -- > Author: Mladen Gogala > INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com > San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services > - > To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message > to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in > the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L > (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may > also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). > -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Tanel Poder INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Re: Oracle Masters exam
Too many. -- Mladen Gogala Oracle DBA > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, September 08, 2003 3:40 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > Subject: Re: Re: Oracle Masters exam > > > how many ocms are there world wide? Note: This message is for the named person's use only. It may contain confidential, proprietary or legally privileged information. No confidentiality or privilege is waived or lost by any mistransmission. If you receive this message in error, please immediately delete it and all copies of it from your system, destroy any hard copies of it and notify the sender. You must not, directly or indirectly, use, disclose, distribute, print, or copy any part of this message if you are not the intended recipient. Wang Trading LLC and any of its subsidiaries each reserve the right to monitor all e-mail communications through its networks. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, except where the message states otherwise and the sender is authorized to state them to be the views of any such entity. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Mladen Gogala INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: Re: Oracle Masters exam
how many ocms are there world wide? > > From: "GovindanK" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: 2003/09/08 Mon PM 02:49:26 EDT > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: Oracle Masters exam > > Congrats Tanel on becoming OCM. > > GovindanK > Certified DBA(8,8i,Brainbench-Master) > > > > Thanks Patrice. > > Yes, the exam was challenging, I've never typed and thought that fast than > > 5 > > min before end of second testing day ;) > > > > Tanel. > > > > - Original Message - > > To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Monday, September 08, 2003 3:29 PM > > > > > >> Congratulations Taner, Scott Gossett told me the exam is very > >> challenging. > >> > >> (And if Scott Gossett thinks the exam is challenging...) > >> > >> Patrice. > >> > >> -Original Message- > >> Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 8:24 PM > >> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > >> > >> > >> Hi! > >> > >> I think the "new" certification is Oracle Certified Master, but the old > > one > >> was just Oracle Master title. I personally spent over $6000 on OCM exam > >> which I took last year (the first public exam). I had to fly to Chicago > > from > >> other side of the world, because there were no exams available > >> elsewhere. > > I > >> believe Oracle is still having problems with setting up additional test > >> environments in other locations... > >> If you ask, was it worth to spend the money - my personal opinion is: > >> yes > > it > >> was. > >> > >> Tanel. > >> > > > -- > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net > -- > Author: GovindanK > INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com > San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services > - > To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message > to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in > the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L > (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may > also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). > -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: <[EMAIL PROTECTED] INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Re: Oracle Masters exam
That phrase "the second testing day" scares me a bit. : ) Patrice. -Original Message- Sent: Monday, September 08, 2003 12:00 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L what do they have you do? you set up a database where everything that can go wrong does go wrong with no access to documentation right? > > From: "Tanel Poder" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: 2003/09/08 Mon AM 09:44:27 EDT > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: Oracle Masters exam > > Thanks Patrice. > Yes, the exam was challenging, I've never typed and thought that fast than 5 > min before end of second testing day ;) > > Tanel. > > - Original Message - > To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Monday, September 08, 2003 3:29 PM > > > > Congratulations Taner, Scott Gossett told me the exam is very challenging. > > > > (And if Scott Gossett thinks the exam is challenging...) > > > > Patrice. > > > > -Original Message- > > Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 8:24 PM > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > > > > > Hi! > > > > I think the "new" certification is Oracle Certified Master, but the old > one > > was just Oracle Master title. I personally spent over $6000 on OCM exam > > which I took last year (the first public exam). I had to fly to Chicago > from > > other side of the world, because there were no exams available elsewhere. > I > > believe Oracle is still having problems with setting up additional test > > environments in other locations... > > If you ask, was it worth to spend the money - my personal opinion is: yes > it > > was. > > > > Tanel. > > > > - Original Message - > > To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 10:59 PM > > > > > > > Just to clarify, the "old" Oracle Masters was only an indication that > > > you had attended a series of relevant training courses. There was no > > > test, no measure of how well you could perform the role of a DBA. The > > > "new" Oracle Masters definitely addresses that issue. > > > > > > > > > Pete > > > > > > "Controlling developers is like herding cats." > > > Kevin Loney, Oracle DBA Handbook > > > > > > "Oh no, it's not. It's much harder than that!" > > > Bruce Pihlamae, long term Oracle DBA. > > > > > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > Ron Rogers > > > Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 10:39 PM > > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > > > > > > > > I have a certificate suitable for framing that states that I am a > > > "Database Administrator Oracle 7 Oracle Master". Does this new Oracle > > > Master negate my current "Oracle Master" certification? Is there and > > > upgrade path available? Does it really matter? Every thing that I have > > > accomplished I have done for myself. I use the tests as a yard stick > > > against what I feel I want to accomplish. Does it matter that I have > > > one, or two, or three, or four "suitable for framing" papers on the > > > wall? With only a few years to go before I retire for the second time, I > > > think that I will concentrate my efforts on my grand kids rather that > > > getting paper for my walls. > > > Ron mª¿ªm > > > > > > >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 09/05/03 08:20AM >>> > > > - Original Message - > > > > > > > > > > > It's too bad. It seems like it would be fun. > > > > > > What for? Make the employer shell out another BIG bunch of notes? To > > > get a piece of paper that says on that date and with that hardware > > > one could perform a backup and a restore? > > > > > > What does that say about the ability to lead a group of developers, or > > > design the strategy for database access or solve a really nasty > > > performance problem without forcing re-development or re-tooling? Or any > > > of a million other tasks truly knowledgeable people get asked to > > > perform? > > > > > > No wonder TK doesn't want to talk about it: it's laughable, > > > and he prides himself in being a serious expert. > > > > > > The single fact the masters was created is the perfect admission at long > > > last the OCP was nothing but a sham. Everyone knows it, some just > > > insist on continuing the good old PC stuff (go with the flow, > > > > > > let it ride, etc). It is the simple truth: its value as a > > > "certification" was and always will be nill. > > > > > > That the masters is being sold as the new "be-all-end-all" is even more > > > > > > demeaning. > > > > > > > > > > Chris > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > > Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2003 10:20 AM > > > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > > > > > > > So, it's nothing like OCP where you get the certification when you > > > spew out > > > > certain amount of the green stuff? I wonder how long will it take > > > before > > > > seeing > > > > oracle masters who don't know how to take a hot backup. > > > > > > They'll be able to take a hot backup, rest assured. > > > W
RE: Re: Oracle Masters exam
testing.. -Original Message- Pete Sharman Sent: Monday, September 08, 2003 11:30 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Not quite. Have a look at http://www.oracle.com/education/certification/objectives/index.html?dba9 iocm_practobj.html. And you have access to the doc, but can't use the search functionality (that requires network access and every box is standalone so you can't log into another student's database): Overall Practicum Objectives Configure an Oracle9i database environment by creating the logical and physical structures required to support optimal performance. Configure an Oracle9i network environment to support a variety of connection scenarios. Install, configure, and use Oracle database management, tuning, and diagnostic tools. Use Oracle9i enhanced data management features to support advanced replication, partitioning, and parallel operations. Use Oracle9i tools to backup data while providing uninterrupted database availability. Use Oracle9i tools to perform restore and complete recovery operations from any failure scenario. Perform troubleshooting, analysis, and problem resolution to enhance database and instance performance. Practicum Areas of Focus and Objectives Database Configuration Determine and set sizing parameters for database segments. Create and manage temporary, permanent and undo tablespaces. Stripe data files across multiple physical devices and locations. Configure the database environment to support optimal data access performance. Protect the database from loss of data from any failure scenario. Create and manage database configuration files. Oracle Network Configuration Create and manage multiple network configuration files. Configure the database instance to support shared server connections. Setup network tracing. Configure the network environment to efficiently manage user connections. Manage Oracle network processes. Configure the network environment to allow connections to multiple databases. Oracle Enterprise Manager Setup and Configuration Configure Oracle Enterprise Manager. Create an OEM Repository Use OEM to modify a database configuration. Configure OEM to manage database availability. Database Availability Create a recovery catalog using Recovery Manager. Use Recovery Manager to perform database backups. Use Recovery Manager to perform a complete database restore and recovery. Configure the TNSNAMES.ORA file to support remote connections to a catalog database using TCP. Perform a complete recovery from any database or instance failure scenario. Data Management Create and manage tablespaces to support database access activities. Manage partitioning within a database environment. Configure auditing within the database. Provide users with access to data. Provide access to data using flashback. Database Management Implement fine-grained security. Generate table, index, column, and system statistics. Manage the SGA. Manage new users. Implement Replication. Performance Management Collect instance and database statistics using STATSPACK, USTAT/UTLESTAT, and OEM Packs. Analyze statistics and modify parameters to enhance performance. Configure Resource Manager and use it to manage queries. Create and manage objects to accommodate different data access methods. Analyze and tune query performance. Standby Databases and Data Guard Create and utilize a standby database. Add data to the primary database in preparation for transfer to a standby database. Setup the standby database to use the log writer process to transfer the log stream to the standby database. Configure the network environment to allow communication between the standby database and the primary database. Open the standby database in a "Read-Only" state Pete "Controlling developers is like herding cats." Kevin Loney, Oracle DBA Handbook "Oh no, it's not. It's much harder than that!" Bruce Pihlamae, long term Oracle DBA. -Original Message- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2003 1:00 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L what do they have you do? you set up a database where everything that can go wrong does go wrong with no access to documentation right? > > From: "Tanel Poder" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: 2003/09/08 Mon AM 09:44:27 EDT > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: Oracle Masters exam > > Thanks Patrice. > Yes, the exam was challenging, I've never typed and thought that fast > than 5 min before end of second testing day ;) > > Tanel. > > - Original Message - > To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Monday, September 08, 2003 3:29 PM > > > > Congratulations Taner, Scott Gossett told me the exam is very > > challenging. > > > > (And if Scott Gossett thinks the exam is challenging...) > > > > Patrice. > > > > -Original Message- > > Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 8:24 PM > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > > > > > Hi! > > > > I think the "new"
RE: Re: Oracle Masters exam
Not quite. Have a look at http://www.oracle.com/education/certification/objectives/index.html?dba9 iocm_practobj.html. And you have access to the doc, but can't use the search functionality (that requires network access and every box is standalone so you can't log into another student's database): Overall Practicum Objectives Configure an Oracle9i database environment by creating the logical and physical structures required to support optimal performance. Configure an Oracle9i network environment to support a variety of connection scenarios. Install, configure, and use Oracle database management, tuning, and diagnostic tools. Use Oracle9i enhanced data management features to support advanced replication, partitioning, and parallel operations. Use Oracle9i tools to backup data while providing uninterrupted database availability. Use Oracle9i tools to perform restore and complete recovery operations from any failure scenario. Perform troubleshooting, analysis, and problem resolution to enhance database and instance performance. Practicum Areas of Focus and Objectives Database Configuration Determine and set sizing parameters for database segments. Create and manage temporary, permanent and undo tablespaces. Stripe data files across multiple physical devices and locations. Configure the database environment to support optimal data access performance. Protect the database from loss of data from any failure scenario. Create and manage database configuration files. Oracle Network Configuration Create and manage multiple network configuration files. Configure the database instance to support shared server connections. Setup network tracing. Configure the network environment to efficiently manage user connections. Manage Oracle network processes. Configure the network environment to allow connections to multiple databases. Oracle Enterprise Manager Setup and Configuration Configure Oracle Enterprise Manager. Create an OEM Repository Use OEM to modify a database configuration. Configure OEM to manage database availability. Database Availability Create a recovery catalog using Recovery Manager. Use Recovery Manager to perform database backups. Use Recovery Manager to perform a complete database restore and recovery. Configure the TNSNAMES.ORA file to support remote connections to a catalog database using TCP. Perform a complete recovery from any database or instance failure scenario. Data Management Create and manage tablespaces to support database access activities. Manage partitioning within a database environment. Configure auditing within the database. Provide users with access to data. Provide access to data using flashback. Database Management Implement fine-grained security. Generate table, index, column, and system statistics. Manage the SGA. Manage new users. Implement Replication. Performance Management Collect instance and database statistics using STATSPACK, USTAT/UTLESTAT, and OEM Packs. Analyze statistics and modify parameters to enhance performance. Configure Resource Manager and use it to manage queries. Create and manage objects to accommodate different data access methods. Analyze and tune query performance. Standby Databases and Data Guard Create and utilize a standby database. Add data to the primary database in preparation for transfer to a standby database. Setup the standby database to use the log writer process to transfer the log stream to the standby database. Configure the network environment to allow communication between the standby database and the primary database. Open the standby database in a "Read-Only" state Pete "Controlling developers is like herding cats." Kevin Loney, Oracle DBA Handbook "Oh no, it's not. It's much harder than that!" Bruce Pihlamae, long term Oracle DBA. -Original Message- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2003 1:00 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L what do they have you do? you set up a database where everything that can go wrong does go wrong with no access to documentation right? > > From: "Tanel Poder" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: 2003/09/08 Mon AM 09:44:27 EDT > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: Oracle Masters exam > > Thanks Patrice. > Yes, the exam was challenging, I've never typed and thought that fast > than 5 min before end of second testing day ;) > > Tanel. > > - Original Message - > To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Monday, September 08, 2003 3:29 PM > > > > Congratulations Taner, Scott Gossett told me the exam is very > > challenging. > > > > (And if Scott Gossett thinks the exam is challenging...) > > > > Patrice. > > > > -Original Message- > > Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 8:24 PM > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > > > > > Hi! > > > > I think the "new" certification is Oracle Certified Master, but the > > old > one > > was
Re: Re: Oracle Masters exam
what do they have you do? you set up a database where everything that can go wrong does go wrong with no access to documentation right? > > From: "Tanel Poder" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: 2003/09/08 Mon AM 09:44:27 EDT > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: Oracle Masters exam > > Thanks Patrice. > Yes, the exam was challenging, I've never typed and thought that fast than 5 > min before end of second testing day ;) > > Tanel. > > - Original Message - > To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Monday, September 08, 2003 3:29 PM > > > > Congratulations Taner, Scott Gossett told me the exam is very challenging. > > > > (And if Scott Gossett thinks the exam is challenging...) > > > > Patrice. > > > > -Original Message- > > Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 8:24 PM > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > > > > > Hi! > > > > I think the "new" certification is Oracle Certified Master, but the old > one > > was just Oracle Master title. I personally spent over $6000 on OCM exam > > which I took last year (the first public exam). I had to fly to Chicago > from > > other side of the world, because there were no exams available elsewhere. > I > > believe Oracle is still having problems with setting up additional test > > environments in other locations... > > If you ask, was it worth to spend the money - my personal opinion is: yes > it > > was. > > > > Tanel. > > > > - Original Message - > > To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 10:59 PM > > > > > > > Just to clarify, the "old" Oracle Masters was only an indication that > > > you had attended a series of relevant training courses. There was no > > > test, no measure of how well you could perform the role of a DBA. The > > > "new" Oracle Masters definitely addresses that issue. > > > > > > > > > Pete > > > > > > "Controlling developers is like herding cats." > > > Kevin Loney, Oracle DBA Handbook > > > > > > "Oh no, it's not. It's much harder than that!" > > > Bruce Pihlamae, long term Oracle DBA. > > > > > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > Ron Rogers > > > Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 10:39 PM > > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > > > > > > > > I have a certificate suitable for framing that states that I am a > > > "Database Administrator Oracle 7 Oracle Master". Does this new Oracle > > > Master negate my current "Oracle Master" certification? Is there and > > > upgrade path available? Does it really matter? Every thing that I have > > > accomplished I have done for myself. I use the tests as a yard stick > > > against what I feel I want to accomplish. Does it matter that I have > > > one, or two, or three, or four "suitable for framing" papers on the > > > wall? With only a few years to go before I retire for the second time, I > > > think that I will concentrate my efforts on my grand kids rather that > > > getting paper for my walls. > > > Ron mª¿ªm > > > > > > >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 09/05/03 08:20AM >>> > > > - Original Message - > > > > > > > > > > > It's too bad. It seems like it would be fun. > > > > > > What for? Make the employer shell out another BIG bunch of notes? To > > > get a piece of paper that says on that date and with that hardware > > > one could perform a backup and a restore? > > > > > > What does that say about the ability to lead a group of developers, or > > > design the strategy for database access or solve a really nasty > > > performance problem without forcing re-development or re-tooling? Or any > > > of a million other tasks truly knowledgeable people get asked to > > > perform? > > > > > > No wonder TK doesn't want to talk about it: it's laughable, > > > and he prides himself in being a serious expert. > > > > > > The single fact the masters was created is the perfect admission at long > > > last the OCP was nothing but a sham. Everyone knows it, some just > > > insist on continuing the good old PC stuff (go with the flow, > > > > > > let it ride, etc). It is the simple truth: its value as a > > > "certification" was and always will be nill. > > > > > > That the masters is being sold as the new "be-all-end-all" is even more > > > > > > demeaning. > > > > > > > > > > Chris > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > > Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2003 10:20 AM > > > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > > > > > > > So, it's nothing like OCP where you get the certification when you > > > spew out > > > > certain amount of the green stuff? I wonder how long will it take > > > before > > > > seeing > > > > oracle masters who don't know how to take a hot backup. > > > > > > They'll be able to take a hot backup, rest assured. > > > With milk and two sugars, please. > > > > > > Cheers > > > Nuno Souto > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > -- > > > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net > > >
Re: Re: Oracle Masters exam
OCM is about marketing. consulting companies will use that to sell their consultants. Ive noticed that alot of employers and co-workers are more likely to listen to someone who is certified than someone who isnt. Its one of the reasons, Im getting mine. Makes it easier to get people to do what I want. I had an interview once and before I talked to the DBA, I talked to HR. I asked the HR person how experience the DBA was and such and he responded in an irreverent tone that the DBA is an 'Oracle Certified Professional'. Almost in awe... Awe is useful when your in a hurry and need people to do what you want. Its not your fault other people hold it in such high value. I have no control over them. > > From: "Nuno Souto" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: 2003/09/05 Fri AM 08:20:13 EDT > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: Oracle Masters exam > > - Original Message - > > > > > It's too bad. It seems like it would be fun. > > What for? Make the employer shell out another BIG bunch of notes? > To get a piece of paper that says on that date and with that hardware > one could perform a backup and a restore? > > What does that say about the ability to lead a group of developers, > or design the strategy for database access or solve a really nasty > performance problem without forcing re-development or re-tooling? > Or any of a million other tasks truly knowledgeable people get asked > to perform? > > No wonder TK doesn't want to talk about it: it's laughable, > and he prides himself in being a serious expert. > > The single fact the masters was created is the perfect admission > at long last the OCP was nothing but a sham. Everyone knows it, > some just insist on continuing the good old PC stuff (go with the flow, > let it ride, etc). It is the simple truth: its value as a "certification" > was and always will be nill. > > That the masters is being sold as the new "be-all-end-all" is even more > demeaning. > > > > Chris > > > > -Original Message- > > Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2003 10:20 AM > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > > > So, it's nothing like OCP where you get the certification when you spew out > > certain amount of the green stuff? I wonder how long will it take before > > seeing > > oracle masters who don't know how to take a hot backup. > > They'll be able to take a hot backup, rest assured. > With milk and two sugars, please. > > Cheers > Nuno Souto > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > -- > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net > -- > Author: Nuno Souto > INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com > San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services > - > To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message > to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in > the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L > (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may > also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). > -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: <[EMAIL PROTECTED] INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: RE: Oracle Masters exam
The Exam Cram books are harder and harder to find, but used ones are still available. However, I believe that Pete is going to co-author my upcomming Mastering Oracle10g book from Sybex So, if you liked his style, stay tuned. RF -Original Message- To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Sent: 9/4/2003 2:04 PM well tom kyte isnt certified and refuses to discuss it on his website. OCP is important for most people. Employers want it. Im not sure masters certification means much unless you are a principal consultant or owner of a consultant. You then use that certification to sell your company. Its the same reason why most of the authors seem to be consultants. Helps sell themselves and the companies they work for. Its probably not worth the cost for most people to take it. Its not going to increase our rates. Though it could help sell consulting companies. btw, pete.. I found your 8i exam cram book much better than the osborne books. Well written and concise. Your 8i book is still on the market even though coriolis went under? > > From: "Pete Sharman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: 2003/09/04 Thu PM 02:49:26 EDT > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: RE: Oracle Masters exam > > Well, I've had the luxury of not only not paying for any of the > certification, but actually being paid to DO the certification: > > 7.3 - original certification as an Oracle instructor paid for by Oracle > 8.0 - paid for by the now defunct Coriolis Group so I could review their > exam crams for them > 8.1 - paid for by Coriolis so I could write an exam cram for them > 9i - paid for by Coriolis so I could write an exam cram for them, but > the company went south before the book was completed. > > Wonder who's going to pay me for 10g certification? :) > > Seriously, the Masters is (to me anyway) well worth it. It's something > that really does test you know how to manage a database. You need deep > hands on experience before you can even look at it. I was in the first > beta test of the exam (an internal test), where we had 19 of the best > Oracle people I have ever met doing the exam (ones that I would rank up > with some of the Oak Table guys without any qualms), and we all found > the two days very tough. > > > Pete > > "Controlling developers is like herding cats." > Kevin Loney, Oracle DBA Handbook > > "Oh no, it's not. It's much harder than that!" > Bruce Pihlamae, long term Oracle DBA. > > > > -Original Message- > Mladen Gogala > Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 1:20 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > > So, it's nothing like OCP where you get the certification when you spew > out > certain amount of the green stuff? I wonder how long will it take before > seeing oracle masters who don't know how to take a hot backup. > > -- > Mladen Gogala > Oracle DBA > > > > -Original Message- > Sharman > Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2003 6:39 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > > And having sat through the beta of the masters exam, let me reiterate > what Reichert said in the article. You really do have to have the hands > on experience to pass it. I've been using Oracle for something like 15 > years now, and training others in the DBA world for 11 or so of those 12 > years, and this was the hardest exam I've ever sat through. > > > Pete > > "Controlling developers is like herding cats." > Kevin Loney, Oracle DBA Handbook > > "Oh no, it's not. It's much harder than that!" > Bruce Pihlamae, long term Oracle DBA. > > > > -Original Message- > Boivin, Patrice J > Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2003 6:45 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > > Oracle Mag has something about the Oracle Masters program... > > http://otn.oracle.com/oramag/oracle/03-sep/o53news.html > > Patrice. > > -- > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net > -- > Author: Boivin, Patrice J > INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com > San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services > - > To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message > to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the > message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of > mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP > command for other information (like subscribing). > > -- > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net > -- > Author: Pete Sharman > INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com > San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services > - > To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message > to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXA
RE: RE: Oracle Masters exam
I don't believe that you can be an owner of a consultant. This practice was stopped, I believe, in 1865, in the Appomatox courthouse. Virgil Caine is my name and I drove on the Danville train 'til so much cavalry came and tore up the tracks again In the winter of '65, we were hungry, just barely alive I took the train to Richmond that fell It was a time I remember, oh, so well The night they drove old Dixie down And all the bells were ringin' The night they drove old Dixie down And all the people were singin' They went, "Na, na, na, na, na, na, " -- Mladen Gogala Oracle DBA -Original Message- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2003 3:05 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L well tom kyte isnt certified and refuses to discuss it on his website. OCP is important for most people. Employers want it. Im not sure masters certification means much unless you are a principal consultant or owner of a consultant. You then use that certification to sell your company. Its the same reason why most of the authors seem to be consultants. Helps sell themselves and the companies they work for. Its probably not worth the cost for most people to take it. Its not going to increase our rates. Though it could help sell consulting companies. btw, pete.. I found your 8i exam cram book much better than the osborne books. Well written and concise. Your 8i book is still on the market even though coriolis went under? > > From: "Pete Sharman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: 2003/09/04 Thu PM 02:49:26 EDT > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: RE: Oracle Masters exam > > Well, I've had the luxury of not only not paying for any of the > certification, but actually being paid to DO the certification: > > 7.3 - original certification as an Oracle instructor paid for by > Oracle 8.0 - paid for by the now defunct Coriolis Group so I could > review their exam crams for them 8.1 - paid for by Coriolis so I could > write an exam cram for them 9i - paid for by Coriolis so I could write > an exam cram for them, but the company went south before the book was > completed. > > Wonder who's going to pay me for 10g certification? :) > > Seriously, the Masters is (to me anyway) well worth it. It's > something that really does test you know how to manage a database. > You need deep hands on experience before you can even look at it. I > was in the first beta test of the exam (an internal test), where we > had 19 of the best Oracle people I have ever met doing the exam (ones > that I would rank up with some of the Oak Table guys without any > qualms), and we all found the two days very tough. > > > Pete > > "Controlling developers is like herding cats." > Kevin Loney, Oracle DBA Handbook > > "Oh no, it's not. It's much harder than that!" > Bruce Pihlamae, long term Oracle DBA. > > > > -Original Message- > Mladen Gogala > Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 1:20 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > > So, it's nothing like OCP where you get the certification when you > spew out certain amount of the green stuff? I wonder how long will it > take before seeing oracle masters who don't know how to take a hot > backup. > > -- > Mladen Gogala > Oracle DBA > > > > -Original Message- > Sharman > Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2003 6:39 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > > And having sat through the beta of the masters exam, let me reiterate > what Reichert said in the article. You really do have to have the > hands on experience to pass it. I've been using Oracle for something > like 15 years now, and training others in the DBA world for 11 or so > of those 12 years, and this was the hardest exam I've ever sat > through. > > > Pete > > "Controlling developers is like herding cats." > Kevin Loney, Oracle DBA Handbook > > "Oh no, it's not. It's much harder than that!" > Bruce Pihlamae, long term Oracle DBA. > > > > -Original Message- > Boivin, Patrice J > Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2003 6:45 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > > Oracle Mag has something about the Oracle Masters program... > > http://otn.oracle.com/oramag/oracle/03-sep/o53news.html > > Patrice. > > -- > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net > -- > Author: Boivin, Patrice J > INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com > San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services > - > To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message > to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in > the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the > name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send > the HELP command for other information (like subscribin
RE: RE: Oracle Masters exam
The last National Geographic talks about slavery, it's running rampant. Jared this is getting into OT !!! Patrice. -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2003 5:00 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L I don't believe that you can be an owner of a consultant. This practice was stopped, I believe, in 1865, in the Appomatox courthouse. Virgil Caine is my name and I drove on the Danville train 'til so much cavalry came and tore up the tracks again In the winter of '65, we were hungry, just barely alive I took the train to Richmond that fell It was a time I remember, oh, so well The night they drove old Dixie down And all the bells were ringin' The night they drove old Dixie down And all the people were singin' They went, "Na, na, na, na, na, na, " -- Mladen Gogala Oracle DBA -Original Message- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2003 3:05 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L well tom kyte isnt certified and refuses to discuss it on his website. OCP is important for most people. Employers want it. Im not sure masters certification means much unless you are a principal consultant or owner of a consultant. You then use that certification to sell your company. Its the same reason why most of the authors seem to be consultants. Helps sell themselves and the companies they work for. Its probably not worth the cost for most people to take it. Its not going to increase our rates. Though it could help sell consulting companies. btw, pete.. I found your 8i exam cram book much better than the osborne books. Well written and concise. Your 8i book is still on the market even though coriolis went under? > > From: "Pete Sharman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: 2003/09/04 Thu PM 02:49:26 EDT > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: RE: Oracle Masters exam > > Well, I've had the luxury of not only not paying for any of the > certification, but actually being paid to DO the certification: > > 7.3 - original certification as an Oracle instructor paid for by > Oracle 8.0 - paid for by the now defunct Coriolis Group so I could > review their exam crams for them 8.1 - paid for by Coriolis so I could > write an exam cram for them 9i - paid for by Coriolis so I could write > an exam cram for them, but the company went south before the book was > completed. > > Wonder who's going to pay me for 10g certification? :) > > Seriously, the Masters is (to me anyway) well worth it. It's > something that really does test you know how to manage a database. > You need deep hands on experience before you can even look at it. I > was in the first beta test of the exam (an internal test), where we > had 19 of the best Oracle people I have ever met doing the exam (ones > that I would rank up with some of the Oak Table guys without any > qualms), and we all found the two days very tough. > > > Pete > > "Controlling developers is like herding cats." > Kevin Loney, Oracle DBA Handbook > > "Oh no, it's not. It's much harder than that!" > Bruce Pihlamae, long term Oracle DBA. > > > > -Original Message- > Mladen Gogala > Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 1:20 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > > So, it's nothing like OCP where you get the certification when you > spew out certain amount of the green stuff? I wonder how long will it > take before seeing oracle masters who don't know how to take a hot > backup. > > -- > Mladen Gogala > Oracle DBA > > > > -Original Message- > Sharman > Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2003 6:39 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > > And having sat through the beta of the masters exam, let me reiterate > what Reichert said in the article. You really do have to have the > hands on experience to pass it. I've been using Oracle for something > like 15 years now, and training others in the DBA world for 11 or so > of those 12 years, and this was the hardest exam I've ever sat > through. > > > Pete > > "Controlling developers is like herding cats." > Kevin Loney, Oracle DBA Handbook > > "Oh no, it's not. It's much harder than that!" > Bruce Pihlamae, long term Oracle DBA. > > > > -Original Message- > Boivin, Patrice J > Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2003 6:45 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > > Oracle Mag has something about the Oracle Masters program... > > http://otn.oracle.com/oramag/oracle/03-sep/o53news.html > > Patrice. > > -- > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net > -- > Author: Boivin, Patrice J > INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com > San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services > - > To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message > to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT sp
RE: RE: Oracle Masters exam
Still out there on Amazon, even though I don't get any royalties from it any more (since the publisher went under). It's also available for online purchase chapter by chapter (I think) on http://www.robonerd.com Pete "Controlling developers is like herding cats." Kevin Loney, Oracle DBA Handbook "Oh no, it's not. It's much harder than that!" Bruce Pihlamae, long term Oracle DBA. -Original Message- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 5:05 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L well tom kyte isnt certified and refuses to discuss it on his website. OCP is important for most people. Employers want it. Im not sure masters certification means much unless you are a principal consultant or owner of a consultant. You then use that certification to sell your company. Its the same reason why most of the authors seem to be consultants. Helps sell themselves and the companies they work for. Its probably not worth the cost for most people to take it. Its not going to increase our rates. Though it could help sell consulting companies. btw, pete.. I found your 8i exam cram book much better than the osborne books. Well written and concise. Your 8i book is still on the market even though coriolis went under? > > From: "Pete Sharman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: 2003/09/04 Thu PM 02:49:26 EDT > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: RE: Oracle Masters exam > > Well, I've had the luxury of not only not paying for any of the > certification, but actually being paid to DO the certification: > > 7.3 - original certification as an Oracle instructor paid for by > Oracle 8.0 - paid for by the now defunct Coriolis Group so I could > review their exam crams for them 8.1 - paid for by Coriolis so I could > write an exam cram for them 9i - paid for by Coriolis so I could write > an exam cram for them, but the company went south before the book was > completed. > > Wonder who's going to pay me for 10g certification? :) > > Seriously, the Masters is (to me anyway) well worth it. It's > something that really does test you know how to manage a database. > You need deep hands on experience before you can even look at it. I > was in the first beta test of the exam (an internal test), where we > had 19 of the best Oracle people I have ever met doing the exam (ones > that I would rank up with some of the Oak Table guys without any > qualms), and we all found the two days very tough. > > > Pete > > "Controlling developers is like herding cats." > Kevin Loney, Oracle DBA Handbook > > "Oh no, it's not. It's much harder than that!" > Bruce Pihlamae, long term Oracle DBA. > > > > -Original Message- > Mladen Gogala > Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 1:20 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > > So, it's nothing like OCP where you get the certification when you > spew out certain amount of the green stuff? I wonder how long will it > take before seeing oracle masters who don't know how to take a hot > backup. > > -- > Mladen Gogala > Oracle DBA > > > > -Original Message- > Sharman > Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2003 6:39 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > > And having sat through the beta of the masters exam, let me reiterate > what Reichert said in the article. You really do have to have the > hands on experience to pass it. I've been using Oracle for something > like 15 years now, and training others in the DBA world for 11 or so > of those 12 years, and this was the hardest exam I've ever sat > through. > > > Pete > > "Controlling developers is like herding cats." > Kevin Loney, Oracle DBA Handbook > > "Oh no, it's not. It's much harder than that!" > Bruce Pihlamae, long term Oracle DBA. > > > > -Original Message- > Boivin, Patrice J > Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2003 6:45 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > > Oracle Mag has something about the Oracle Masters program... > > http://otn.oracle.com/oramag/oracle/03-sep/o53news.html > > Patrice. > > -- > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net > -- > Author: Boivin, Patrice J > INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com > San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services > - > To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message > to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in > the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the > name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send > the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). > > -- > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net > -- > Author: Pete Sharman > INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com > San Diego, California
Re: RE: Oracle Masters exam
well tom kyte isnt certified and refuses to discuss it on his website. OCP is important for most people. Employers want it. Im not sure masters certification means much unless you are a principal consultant or owner of a consultant. You then use that certification to sell your company. Its the same reason why most of the authors seem to be consultants. Helps sell themselves and the companies they work for. Its probably not worth the cost for most people to take it. Its not going to increase our rates. Though it could help sell consulting companies. btw, pete.. I found your 8i exam cram book much better than the osborne books. Well written and concise. Your 8i book is still on the market even though coriolis went under? > > From: "Pete Sharman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: 2003/09/04 Thu PM 02:49:26 EDT > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: RE: Oracle Masters exam > > Well, I've had the luxury of not only not paying for any of the > certification, but actually being paid to DO the certification: > > 7.3 - original certification as an Oracle instructor paid for by Oracle > 8.0 - paid for by the now defunct Coriolis Group so I could review their > exam crams for them > 8.1 - paid for by Coriolis so I could write an exam cram for them > 9i - paid for by Coriolis so I could write an exam cram for them, but > the company went south before the book was completed. > > Wonder who's going to pay me for 10g certification? :) > > Seriously, the Masters is (to me anyway) well worth it. It's something > that really does test you know how to manage a database. You need deep > hands on experience before you can even look at it. I was in the first > beta test of the exam (an internal test), where we had 19 of the best > Oracle people I have ever met doing the exam (ones that I would rank up > with some of the Oak Table guys without any qualms), and we all found > the two days very tough. > > > Pete > > "Controlling developers is like herding cats." > Kevin Loney, Oracle DBA Handbook > > "Oh no, it's not. It's much harder than that!" > Bruce Pihlamae, long term Oracle DBA. > > > > -Original Message- > Mladen Gogala > Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 1:20 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > > So, it's nothing like OCP where you get the certification when you spew > out > certain amount of the green stuff? I wonder how long will it take before > seeing oracle masters who don't know how to take a hot backup. > > -- > Mladen Gogala > Oracle DBA > > > > -Original Message- > Sharman > Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2003 6:39 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > > And having sat through the beta of the masters exam, let me reiterate > what Reichert said in the article. You really do have to have the hands > on experience to pass it. I've been using Oracle for something like 15 > years now, and training others in the DBA world for 11 or so of those 12 > years, and this was the hardest exam I've ever sat through. > > > Pete > > "Controlling developers is like herding cats." > Kevin Loney, Oracle DBA Handbook > > "Oh no, it's not. It's much harder than that!" > Bruce Pihlamae, long term Oracle DBA. > > > > -Original Message- > Boivin, Patrice J > Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2003 6:45 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > > Oracle Mag has something about the Oracle Masters program... > > http://otn.oracle.com/oramag/oracle/03-sep/o53news.html > > Patrice. > > -- > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net > -- > Author: Boivin, Patrice J > INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com > San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services > - > To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message > to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the > message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of > mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP > command for other information (like subscribing). > > -- > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net > -- > Author: Pete Sharman > INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com > San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services > - > To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message > to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the > message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of > mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP > command for other information (like subscribing). > > > > Note: > This message is for the named person's use only. It may contain
Re: RE: Oracle Masters exam
if your on a 1099 the classes should be a business expense. dont know about the certification. so you could write off the classes. will only save people 25-28% though... > > From: April Wells <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: 2003/09/04 Thu PM 12:24:35 EDT > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: RE: Oracle Masters exam > > > I though about trying to figure out how to get it to be a write off... > > I'm not sure how taking an advanced class will help me to pass the test... I > kind of would like to take it just to see if I can... but I really don't > want to be doing it just to drum up Oracle revenue. > > April Wells > Oracle DBA/Oracle Apps DBA > OCP 8, 8i, 9i > Corporate Systems > Amarillo Texas > > Few people really enjoy the simple pleasure of flying a kite > Adam Wells age 11 > > > > -Original Message- > Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2003 10:55 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > > I was just looking into this. If I understand it correctly, you have to > take 2 'advanced' classes =>$2000-$5000 total (depending on which courses) > and then you have to pay $2000 just to take the practicum. This might be > the real deal and an exciting achievement to work towards but I for one know > that my company won't be shelling the $$$ out and my pockets are nowhere > near that deep. > > It's too bad. It seems like it would be fun. > > Chris > > -Original Message- > Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2003 10:20 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > So, it's nothing like OCP where you get the certification when you spew out > certain amount of the green stuff? I wonder how long will it take before > seeing > oracle masters who don't know how to take a hot backup. > > -- > Mladen Gogala > Oracle DBA > > > > -Original Message- > Sharman > Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2003 6:39 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > > And having sat through the beta of the masters exam, let me reiterate what > Reichert said in the article. You really do have to have the hands on > experience to pass it. I've been using Oracle for something like 15 years > now, and training others in the DBA world for 11 or so of those 12 years, > and this was the hardest exam I've ever sat through. > > > Pete > > "Controlling developers is like herding cats." > Kevin Loney, Oracle DBA Handbook > > "Oh no, it's not. It's much harder than that!" > Bruce Pihlamae, long term Oracle DBA. > > > > -Original Message- > Boivin, Patrice J > Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2003 6:45 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > > Oracle Mag has something about the Oracle Masters program... > > http://otn.oracle.com/oramag/oracle/03-sep/o53news.html > > Patrice. > > -- > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net > -- > Author: Boivin, Patrice J > INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com > San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services > - > To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message > to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the > message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of > mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP > command for other information (like subscribing). > > -- > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net > -- > Author: Pete Sharman > INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com > San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services > - > To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message > to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the > message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of > mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP > command for other information (like subscribing). > > > > Note: > This message is for the named person's use only. It may contain > confidential, proprietary or legally privileged information. No > confidentiality or privilege is waived or lost by any mistransmission. If > you receive this message in error, please immediately delete it and all > copies of it from your system, destroy any hard copies of it and notify the > sender. You must not, directly or indirectly, use, disclose, distribute, > print, or copy any part of this message if you are not the intended > recipient. Wang Trading LLC and any of its subsidiaries each reserve the > right to monitor all e-mail communications through its networks. > Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, > except where the message states otherwise and the sender is authorized to > state them to be
Re: RE: Oracle Masters exam
i saw some posts on the usenets that oracle has been cancelling masters exams and not refunding the money. saw a couple of posts on that. > > From: "Mladen Gogala" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: 2003/09/04 Thu AM 11:19:30 EDT > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: RE: Oracle Masters exam > > So, it's nothing like OCP where you get the certification when you spew out > certain amount of the green stuff? I wonder how long will it take before > seeing > oracle masters who don't know how to take a hot backup. > > -- > Mladen Gogala > Oracle DBA > > > > -Original Message- > Sharman > Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2003 6:39 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > > And having sat through the beta of the masters exam, let me reiterate what > Reichert said in the article. You really do have to have the hands on > experience to pass it. I've been using Oracle for something like 15 years > now, and training others in the DBA world for 11 or so of those 12 years, > and this was the hardest exam I've ever sat through. > > > Pete > > "Controlling developers is like herding cats." > Kevin Loney, Oracle DBA Handbook > > "Oh no, it's not. It's much harder than that!" > Bruce Pihlamae, long term Oracle DBA. > > > > -Original Message- > Boivin, Patrice J > Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2003 6:45 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > > Oracle Mag has something about the Oracle Masters program... > > http://otn.oracle.com/oramag/oracle/03-sep/o53news.html > > Patrice. > > -- > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net > -- > Author: Boivin, Patrice J > INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com > San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services > - > To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message > to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the > message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of > mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP > command for other information (like subscribing). > > -- > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net > -- > Author: Pete Sharman > INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com > San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services > - > To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message > to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the > message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of > mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP > command for other information (like subscribing). > > > > Note: > This message is for the named person's use only. It may contain confidential, > proprietary or legally privileged information. No confidentiality or privilege is > waived or lost by any mistransmission. If you receive this message in error, please > immediately delete it and all copies of it from your system, destroy any hard copies > of it and notify the sender. You must not, directly or indirectly, use, disclose, > distribute, print, or copy any part of this message if you are not the intended > recipient. Wang Trading LLC and any of its subsidiaries each reserve the right to > monitor all e-mail communications through its networks. > Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, except where > the message states otherwise and the sender is authorized to state them to be the > views of any such entity. > > -- > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net > -- > Author: Mladen Gogala > INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com > San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services > - > To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message > to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in > the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L > (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may > also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). > -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: <[EMAIL PROTECTED] INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line
