RE: Rman ... what do YOU need
Well, we are GO for the RMAN book. Contract should be signed soon. So, hopefully, next October (for OOW) you will be seeing an Rman Backup and Recovery Handbook. Now I have a couple of people to contact... If you are one of those, please be patient, I'll be gettn' to you shortly. :-) RF -Original Message- [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, May 10, 2002 4:55 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Dennis, It's possible the version you have was corrected. I know that it was the first printing that had some serious, unintentinal omissions I think only in the first few chapters. What really hurts the author is when they catch the error, send the correction in in time to be fixed for the bound printing and it doesn't make it in. I mean, it's bad enough that I miss things and they get into print (and thank goodness marlene and I back each other up and find things the other misses). Fortunately, we've never had the problem where we corrected the errors and they went through anyway. We have an excellent project editor, who is as anal as we are about putting out a clean book.. so I sometimes get several sets of page proofs. Sigh, and I wonder why my eyes ache all the time and I can't see anymore! Rachel |+--- || | || | || DWILLIAMS@lif| || etouch.com | || | || 05/10/2002 | || 04:13 PM | || Please | || respond to | || ORACLE-L | || | |+--- | || | To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | cc: (bcc: Rachel Carmichael) | | Subject: RE: Rman ... what do YOU need | | Thanks Rachel. To choose between speedy publication (copyright 2002) and waiting another 6 months for an error-free book, I'll choose speedy. Especially since I've become increasingly desperate for a good RMAN tutorial over the past months. And after all, this book is designed to teach you to BACKUP your database. And honestly, I haven't noticed the typos. But I do appreciate your pointing out the errata site. Dennis Williams DBA Lifetouch, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, May 10, 2002 2:28 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Folks, just a word of warning. Through NO FAULT of the authors, there are a number of errata in the first edition of the book. There is a complete errata list on the Osborne site: http://shop.osborne.com/cgi-bin/oraclepress/errata.html Page proofing is one of the worst tasks on earth (I know, I'm doing it now for the 9i version of DBA 101). We found one chapter that is totally messed up, we had to have it resubmitted to be put into proofs. With deadlines and print schedules what they are (TIGHT), we are lucky that there is time to redo it before the book comes out in June. Rachel |+--- || | || | || DWILLIAMS@lif| || etouch.com | || | || 05/10/2002 | || 01:58 PM | || Please | || respond to | || ORACLE-L | || | |+--- | || | To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | cc: (bcc: Rachel Carmichael) | | Subject: RE: Rman ... what do YOU need | | Kitri - Thanks so much for pointing this book out. I have purchased it and worked through almost all the examples. It is excellent. It was exactly what I needed. I had found it difficult to get started with RMAN. I had read the Oracle manual, and taken the Oracle 8i Backup Recovery class (briefly covers RMAN, no classroom exercises), and felt I was getting nowhere. I needed some concrete practice exercises. About half of Backup Recovery 101 is devoted to RMAN. He takes you step-by-step through creating a practice database, creating an RMAN catalog database, configuring RMAN, performing backups, listing RMAN information from both the RMAN catalog and the target database control file, performing recoveries using RMAN, creating an RMAN duplicate database, creating an RMAN standby database, and performing an RMAN tablespace point-in-time recovery. Each chapter has several relevant exercises to work through. He has
RE: Rman ... what do YOU need
Goodluck!! Let me know if you need someone to draw some pretty pictures...or perhaps number the pages... -Original Message- Sent: Monday, May 13, 2002 5:29 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Well, we are GO for the RMAN book. Contract should be signed soon. So, hopefully, next October (for OOW) you will be seeing an Rman Backup and Recovery Handbook. Now I have a couple of people to contact... If you are one of those, please be patient, I'll be gettn' to you shortly. :-) RF -Original Message- [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, May 10, 2002 4:55 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Dennis, It's possible the version you have was corrected. I know that it was the first printing that had some serious, unintentinal omissions I think only in the first few chapters. What really hurts the author is when they catch the error, send the correction in in time to be fixed for the bound printing and it doesn't make it in. I mean, it's bad enough that I miss things and they get into print (and thank goodness marlene and I back each other up and find things the other misses). Fortunately, we've never had the problem where we corrected the errors and they went through anyway. We have an excellent project editor, who is as anal as we are about putting out a clean book.. so I sometimes get several sets of page proofs. Sigh, and I wonder why my eyes ache all the time and I can't see anymore! Rachel |+--- || | || | || DWILLIAMS@lif| || etouch.com | || | || 05/10/2002 | || 04:13 PM | || Please | || respond to | || ORACLE-L | || | |+--- | || | To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | cc: (bcc: Rachel Carmichael) | | Subject: RE: Rman ... what do YOU need | | Thanks Rachel. To choose between speedy publication (copyright 2002) and waiting another 6 months for an error-free book, I'll choose speedy. Especially since I've become increasingly desperate for a good RMAN tutorial over the past months. And after all, this book is designed to teach you to BACKUP your database. And honestly, I haven't noticed the typos. But I do appreciate your pointing out the errata site. Dennis Williams DBA Lifetouch, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, May 10, 2002 2:28 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Folks, just a word of warning. Through NO FAULT of the authors, there are a number of errata in the first edition of the book. There is a complete errata list on the Osborne site: http://shop.osborne.com/cgi-bin/oraclepress/errata.html Page proofing is one of the worst tasks on earth (I know, I'm doing it now for the 9i version of DBA 101). We found one chapter that is totally messed up, we had to have it resubmitted to be put into proofs. With deadlines and print schedules what they are (TIGHT), we are lucky that there is time to redo it before the book comes out in June. Rachel |+--- || | || | || DWILLIAMS@lif| || etouch.com | || | || 05/10/2002 | || 01:58 PM | || Please | || respond to | || ORACLE-L | || | |+--- | || | To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | cc: (bcc: Rachel Carmichael) | | Subject: RE: Rman ... what do YOU need | | Kitri - Thanks so much for pointing this book out. I have purchased it and worked through almost all the examples. It is excellent. It was exactly what I needed. I had found it difficult to get started with RMAN. I had read the Oracle manual, and taken the Oracle 8i Backup Recovery class (briefly covers RMAN, no classroom exercises), and felt I was getting nowhere. I needed some concrete practice exercises. About half of Backup Recovery 101 is devoted to RMAN. He takes you step-by-step through creating a practice database, creating an RMAN catalog database, configuring RMAN, performing backups, listing RMAN information from both the RMAN catalog and the target database control file, performing recoveries using RMAN
RE: Rman ... what do YOU need
You are just a glutton for punishment, aren't you. ;) Jared Freeman, Robert [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 05/13/2002 02:28 PM Please respond to ORACLE-L To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Subject:RE: Rman ... what do YOU need Well, we are GO for the RMAN book. Contract should be signed soon. So, hopefully, next October (for OOW) you will be seeing an Rman Backup and Recovery Handbook. Now I have a couple of people to contact... If you are one of those, please be patient, I'll be gettn' to you shortly. :-) RF -Original Message- [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, May 10, 2002 4:55 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Dennis, It's possible the version you have was corrected. I know that it was the first printing that had some serious, unintentinal omissions I think only in the first few chapters. What really hurts the author is when they catch the error, send the correction in in time to be fixed for the bound printing and it doesn't make it in. I mean, it's bad enough that I miss things and they get into print (and thank goodness marlene and I back each other up and find things the other misses). Fortunately, we've never had the problem where we corrected the errors and they went through anyway. We have an excellent project editor, who is as anal as we are about putting out a clean book.. so I sometimes get several sets of page proofs. Sigh, and I wonder why my eyes ache all the time and I can't see anymore! Rachel |+--- || | || | || DWILLIAMS@lif| || etouch.com | || | || 05/10/2002 | || 04:13 PM | || Please | || respond to | || ORACLE-L | || | |+--- | || | To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | cc: (bcc: Rachel Carmichael) | | Subject: RE: Rman ... what do YOU need | | Thanks Rachel. To choose between speedy publication (copyright 2002) and waiting another 6 months for an error-free book, I'll choose speedy. Especially since I've become increasingly desperate for a good RMAN tutorial over the past months. And after all, this book is designed to teach you to BACKUP your database. And honestly, I haven't noticed the typos. But I do appreciate your pointing out the errata site. Dennis Williams DBA Lifetouch, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, May 10, 2002 2:28 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Folks, just a word of warning. Through NO FAULT of the authors, there are a number of errata in the first edition of the book. There is a complete errata list on the Osborne site: http://shop.osborne.com/cgi-bin/oraclepress/errata.html Page proofing is one of the worst tasks on earth (I know, I'm doing it now for the 9i version of DBA 101). We found one chapter that is totally messed up, we had to have it resubmitted to be put into proofs. With deadlines and print schedules what they are (TIGHT), we are lucky that there is time to redo it before the book comes out in June. Rachel |+--- || | || | || DWILLIAMS@lif| || etouch.com | || | || 05/10/2002 | || 01:58 PM | || Please | || respond to | || ORACLE-L | || | |+--- | || | To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | cc: (bcc: Rachel Carmichael) | | Subject: RE: Rman ... what do YOU need | | Kitri - Thanks so much for pointing this book out. I have purchased it and worked through almost all the examples. It is excellent. It was exactly what I needed. I had found it difficult to get started with RMAN. I had read the Oracle manual, and taken the Oracle 8i Backup Recovery class (briefly covers RMAN, no classroom exercises), and felt I was getting nowhere. I needed some concrete practice exercises. About half of Backup Recovery 101 is devoted to RMAN. He takes you step-by-step through creating a practice database, creating an RMAN catalog database, configuring RMAN, performing backups, listing RMAN
RE: Rman ... what do YOU need
Kitri - Thanks so much for pointing this book out. I have purchased it and worked through almost all the examples. It is excellent. It was exactly what I needed. I had found it difficult to get started with RMAN. I had read the Oracle manual, and taken the Oracle 8i Backup Recovery class (briefly covers RMAN, no classroom exercises), and felt I was getting nowhere. I needed some concrete practice exercises. About half of Backup Recovery 101 is devoted to RMAN. He takes you step-by-step through creating a practice database, creating an RMAN catalog database, configuring RMAN, performing backups, listing RMAN information from both the RMAN catalog and the target database control file, performing recoveries using RMAN, creating an RMAN duplicate database, creating an RMAN standby database, and performing an RMAN tablespace point-in-time recovery. Each chapter has several relevant exercises to work through. He has instructions for both Linux and NT, but he worked the exercises on Linux, so for NT you will have to adjust more, but there is probably enough information for you to succeed. I used the Linux instructions on a Unix system and had no problems, other than the fact that my practice system is Oracle 8.1.6 and his instructions are for Oracle 8.1.7. But the adjustments were simple and even added to my learning. So, if you are considering RMAN, but don't know where to start, I enthusiastically recommend that you buy Oracle Backup Recovery 101. http://shop.barnesandnoble.com/booksearch/isbnInquiry.asp?userid=1G60ZMKA1J; mscssid=G50N06L3282V9M7H7E1C63LT2FLNDC69isbn=0072194618 Dennis Williams DBA Lifetouch, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2002 1:41 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L FWIW -- Oracle Press recently published a Backup Recovery 101 book by Kenny Smith and Stephan Haisley. I have not yet read it, but it claims to have RMAN coverage. Since it is part of the '101' series, I presume it covers most of the basic stuff. Has anyone purchased it? And read it? I may check it out at IOUG-A next week :) Regards, - Kirti -Original Message- Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2002 12:54 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L I'm contemplating doing an Rman backup and recovery handbook. I'm wondering what you would like to see in such a book and would you use such a book? Ideas and comments welcome. Robert G. Freeman - Oracle8i OCP Oracle DBA Technical Lead CSX Midtier Database Administration The Cigarette Smoking Man: Anyone who can appease a man's conscience can take his freedom away from him. -Original Message- Sent: Monday, April 08, 2002 2:54 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L I don't think you can do it.. I mean, you could change it to trunc the oracle_date field (that eliminates the minutes) and then do a to_date of :b1 but you will still be operating on the oracle_date field. Okay, I HATE to suggest this, but since the table is small: add another field to the table oracle_date_2 as a date field. Update the table set oracle_date_2=trunc(oracle_date) add a trigger to fill in oracle_date_2 when you insert a row or update the oracle_date column create an index on oracle_date_2 and change the query to use that column --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've got the following SQL statement that is running very long on a nightly data load. The problem is the TO_CHAR function which is preventing me from using the index on this small (20,000-row table). This is an 8.0.4 database so it is not possible for me to use make this a function-based index. The problem is that the date field has minutes, etc. included and those need to be eliminated before the comparison can be made. That's why I can't just eliminate the TO_CHAR from both sides of the equation. Isn't there a way that I can pull this function out of the select statement and do it in a preceeding statement? Then I could just pass in both variables to this statement without the TO_CHAR and use my index. Is this realistic? How, exactly could it be done? SELECT DATE_KEY FROM DATE_DIM WHERE TO_CHAR(ORACLE_DATE,'DD-MON-') = TO_CHAR(:b1,'DD-MON-') SQL desc date_dim; NameNull?Type --- DATE_KEYNOT NULL NUMBER(5) ORACLE_DATE NOT NULL DATE DATACOM_DATE NUMBER(6) DATACOM_REVERSE_DATE NUMBER(6) DAY_OF_WEEK NOT NULL VARCHAR2(30) DAY_NUMBER_IN_MONTH NOT NULL NUMBER(3) DAY_NUMBER_OVERALL NOT NULL NUMBER(9) WEEK_NUMBER_IN_YEAR NOT NULL NUMBER(3) WEEK_NUMBER_OVERALL NOT NULL NUMBER(7) MONTH NOT NULL VARCHAR2(30) MONTH_NUMBER_OVERALLNOT NULL NUMBER(7) YEAR
RE: Rman ... what do YOU need
Folks, just a word of warning. Through NO FAULT of the authors, there are a number of errata in the first edition of the book. There is a complete errata list on the Osborne site: http://shop.osborne.com/cgi-bin/oraclepress/errata.html Page proofing is one of the worst tasks on earth (I know, I'm doing it now for the 9i version of DBA 101). We found one chapter that is totally messed up, we had to have it resubmitted to be put into proofs. With deadlines and print schedules what they are (TIGHT), we are lucky that there is time to redo it before the book comes out in June. Rachel |+--- || | || | || DWILLIAMS@lif| || etouch.com | || | || 05/10/2002 | || 01:58 PM | || Please | || respond to | || ORACLE-L | || | |+--- | || | To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | cc: (bcc: Rachel Carmichael) | | Subject: RE: Rman ... what do YOU need | | Kitri - Thanks so much for pointing this book out. I have purchased it and worked through almost all the examples. It is excellent. It was exactly what I needed. I had found it difficult to get started with RMAN. I had read the Oracle manual, and taken the Oracle 8i Backup Recovery class (briefly covers RMAN, no classroom exercises), and felt I was getting nowhere. I needed some concrete practice exercises. About half of Backup Recovery 101 is devoted to RMAN. He takes you step-by-step through creating a practice database, creating an RMAN catalog database, configuring RMAN, performing backups, listing RMAN information from both the RMAN catalog and the target database control file, performing recoveries using RMAN, creating an RMAN duplicate database, creating an RMAN standby database, and performing an RMAN tablespace point-in-time recovery. Each chapter has several relevant exercises to work through. He has instructions for both Linux and NT, but he worked the exercises on Linux, so for NT you will have to adjust more, but there is probably enough information for you to succeed. I used the Linux instructions on a Unix system and had no problems, other than the fact that my practice system is Oracle 8.1.6 and his instructions are for Oracle 8.1.7. But the adjustments were simple and even added to my learning. So, if you are considering RMAN, but don't know where to start, I enthusiastically recommend that you buy Oracle Backup Recovery 101. http://shop.barnesandnoble.com/booksearch/isbnInquiry.asp?userid=1G60ZMKA1J; mscssid=G50N06L3282V9M7H7E1C63LT2FLNDC69isbn=0072194618 Dennis Williams DBA Lifetouch, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2002 1:41 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L FWIW -- Oracle Press recently published a Backup Recovery 101 book by Kenny Smith and Stephan Haisley. I have not yet read it, but it claims to have RMAN coverage. Since it is part of the '101' series, I presume it covers most of the basic stuff. Has anyone purchased it? And read it? I may check it out at IOUG-A next week :) Regards, - Kirti -Original Message- Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2002 12:54 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L I'm contemplating doing an Rman backup and recovery handbook. I'm wondering what you would like to see in such a book and would you use such a book? Ideas and comments welcome. Robert G. Freeman - Oracle8i OCP Oracle DBA Technical Lead CSX Midtier Database Administration The Cigarette Smoking Man: Anyone who can appease a man's conscience can take his freedom away from him. -Original Message- Sent: Monday, April 08, 2002 2:54 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L I don't think you can do it.. I mean, you could change it to trunc the oracle_date field (that eliminates the minutes) and then do a to_date of :b1 but you will still be operating on the oracle_date field. Okay, I HATE to suggest this, but since the table is small: add another field to the table oracle_date_2 as a date field. Update the table set oracle_date_2=trunc(oracle_date) add a trigger to fill in oracle_date_2 when you insert a row or update the oracle_date column create an index on oracle_date_2 and change the query to use that column --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've got the following SQL statement that is running very long on a nightly data load. The problem is the TO_CHAR function which is preventing me from using the index on this small (20,000-row table). This is an 8.0.4 database so it is not possible for me to use
RE: Rman ... what do YOU need
Thanks Rachel. To choose between speedy publication (copyright 2002) and waiting another 6 months for an error-free book, I'll choose speedy. Especially since I've become increasingly desperate for a good RMAN tutorial over the past months. And after all, this book is designed to teach you to BACKUP your database. And honestly, I haven't noticed the typos. But I do appreciate your pointing out the errata site. Dennis Williams DBA Lifetouch, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, May 10, 2002 2:28 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Folks, just a word of warning. Through NO FAULT of the authors, there are a number of errata in the first edition of the book. There is a complete errata list on the Osborne site: http://shop.osborne.com/cgi-bin/oraclepress/errata.html Page proofing is one of the worst tasks on earth (I know, I'm doing it now for the 9i version of DBA 101). We found one chapter that is totally messed up, we had to have it resubmitted to be put into proofs. With deadlines and print schedules what they are (TIGHT), we are lucky that there is time to redo it before the book comes out in June. Rachel |+--- || | || | || DWILLIAMS@lif| || etouch.com | || | || 05/10/2002 | || 01:58 PM | || Please | || respond to | || ORACLE-L | || | |+--- | || | To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | cc: (bcc: Rachel Carmichael) | | Subject: RE: Rman ... what do YOU need | | Kitri - Thanks so much for pointing this book out. I have purchased it and worked through almost all the examples. It is excellent. It was exactly what I needed. I had found it difficult to get started with RMAN. I had read the Oracle manual, and taken the Oracle 8i Backup Recovery class (briefly covers RMAN, no classroom exercises), and felt I was getting nowhere. I needed some concrete practice exercises. About half of Backup Recovery 101 is devoted to RMAN. He takes you step-by-step through creating a practice database, creating an RMAN catalog database, configuring RMAN, performing backups, listing RMAN information from both the RMAN catalog and the target database control file, performing recoveries using RMAN, creating an RMAN duplicate database, creating an RMAN standby database, and performing an RMAN tablespace point-in-time recovery. Each chapter has several relevant exercises to work through. He has instructions for both Linux and NT, but he worked the exercises on Linux, so for NT you will have to adjust more, but there is probably enough information for you to succeed. I used the Linux instructions on a Unix system and had no problems, other than the fact that my practice system is Oracle 8.1.6 and his instructions are for Oracle 8.1.7. But the adjustments were simple and even added to my learning. So, if you are considering RMAN, but don't know where to start, I enthusiastically recommend that you buy Oracle Backup Recovery 101. http://shop.barnesandnoble.com/booksearch/isbnInquiry.asp?userid=1G60ZMKA1J; mscssid=G50N06L3282V9M7H7E1C63LT2FLNDC69isbn=0072194618 Dennis Williams DBA Lifetouch, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2002 1:41 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L FWIW -- Oracle Press recently published a Backup Recovery 101 book by Kenny Smith and Stephan Haisley. I have not yet read it, but it claims to have RMAN coverage. Since it is part of the '101' series, I presume it covers most of the basic stuff. Has anyone purchased it? And read it? I may check it out at IOUG-A next week :) Regards, - Kirti -Original Message- Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2002 12:54 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L I'm contemplating doing an Rman backup and recovery handbook. I'm wondering what you would like to see in such a book and would you use such a book? Ideas and comments welcome. Robert G. Freeman - Oracle8i OCP Oracle DBA Technical Lead CSX Midtier Database Administration The Cigarette Smoking Man: Anyone who can appease a man's conscience can take his freedom away from him. -Original Message- Sent: Monday, April 08, 2002 2:54 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L I don't think you can do it.. I mean, you could change it to trunc the oracle_date field (that eliminates the minutes) and then do a to_date of :b1 but you will still be operating on the oracle_date field. Okay, I HATE to suggest this, but since the table
RE: Rman ... what do YOU need
Dennis, It's possible the version you have was corrected. I know that it was the first printing that had some serious, unintentinal omissions I think only in the first few chapters. What really hurts the author is when they catch the error, send the correction in in time to be fixed for the bound printing and it doesn't make it in. I mean, it's bad enough that I miss things and they get into print (and thank goodness marlene and I back each other up and find things the other misses). Fortunately, we've never had the problem where we corrected the errors and they went through anyway. We have an excellent project editor, who is as anal as we are about putting out a clean book.. so I sometimes get several sets of page proofs. Sigh, and I wonder why my eyes ache all the time and I can't see anymore! Rachel |+--- || | || | || DWILLIAMS@lif| || etouch.com | || | || 05/10/2002 | || 04:13 PM | || Please | || respond to | || ORACLE-L | || | |+--- | || | To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | cc: (bcc: Rachel Carmichael) | | Subject: RE: Rman ... what do YOU need | | Thanks Rachel. To choose between speedy publication (copyright 2002) and waiting another 6 months for an error-free book, I'll choose speedy. Especially since I've become increasingly desperate for a good RMAN tutorial over the past months. And after all, this book is designed to teach you to BACKUP your database. And honestly, I haven't noticed the typos. But I do appreciate your pointing out the errata site. Dennis Williams DBA Lifetouch, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, May 10, 2002 2:28 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Folks, just a word of warning. Through NO FAULT of the authors, there are a number of errata in the first edition of the book. There is a complete errata list on the Osborne site: http://shop.osborne.com/cgi-bin/oraclepress/errata.html Page proofing is one of the worst tasks on earth (I know, I'm doing it now for the 9i version of DBA 101). We found one chapter that is totally messed up, we had to have it resubmitted to be put into proofs. With deadlines and print schedules what they are (TIGHT), we are lucky that there is time to redo it before the book comes out in June. Rachel |+--- || | || | || DWILLIAMS@lif| || etouch.com | || | || 05/10/2002 | || 01:58 PM | || Please | || respond to | || ORACLE-L | || | |+--- | || | To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | cc: (bcc: Rachel Carmichael) | | Subject: RE: Rman ... what do YOU need | | Kitri - Thanks so much for pointing this book out. I have purchased it and worked through almost all the examples. It is excellent. It was exactly what I needed. I had found it difficult to get started with RMAN. I had read the Oracle manual, and taken the Oracle 8i Backup Recovery class (briefly covers RMAN, no classroom exercises), and felt I was getting nowhere. I needed some concrete practice exercises. About half of Backup Recovery 101 is devoted to RMAN. He takes you step-by-step through creating a practice database, creating an RMAN catalog database, configuring RMAN, performing backups, listing RMAN information from both the RMAN catalog and the target database control file, performing recoveries using RMAN, creating an RMAN duplicate database, creating an RMAN standby database, and performing an RMAN tablespace point-in-time recovery. Each chapter has several relevant exercises to work through. He has instructions for both Linux and NT, but he worked the exercises on Linux, so for NT you will have to adjust more, but there is probably enough information for you to succeed. I used the Linux instructions on a Unix system and had no problems, other than the fact that my practice system is Oracle 8.1.6 and his instructions are for Oracle 8.1.7. But the adjustments were simple and even added to my learning. So, if you
Re: Rman ... what do YOU need
Hi I think it was mentioned already, But case studies with real working examples (maybe include the scripts for demo environment) usually make things a lot more clear than plain text and syntax diagrams. Jack Freeman, Robert To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Robert_Freeman@ccc: (bcc: Jack van Zanen/nlzanen1/External/MEY/NL) sx.com Subject: Rman ... what do YOU need Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 09-04-2002 19:53 Please respond to ORACLE-L I'm contemplating doing an Rman backup and recovery handbook. I'm wondering what you would like to see in such a book and would you use such a book? Ideas and comments welcome. Robert G. Freeman - Oracle8i OCP Oracle DBA Technical Lead CSX Midtier Database Administration The Cigarette Smoking Man: Anyone who can appease a man's conscience can take his freedom away from him. -Original Message- Sent: Monday, April 08, 2002 2:54 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L I don't think you can do it.. I mean, you could change it to trunc the oracle_date field (that eliminates the minutes) and then do a to_date of :b1 but you will still be operating on the oracle_date field. Okay, I HATE to suggest this, but since the table is small: add another field to the table oracle_date_2 as a date field. Update the table set oracle_date_2=trunc(oracle_date) add a trigger to fill in oracle_date_2 when you insert a row or update the oracle_date column create an index on oracle_date_2 and change the query to use that column --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've got the following SQL statement that is running very long on a nightly data load. The problem is the TO_CHAR function which is preventing me from using the index on this small (20,000-row table). This is an 8.0.4 database so it is not possible for me to use make this a function-based index. The problem is that the date field has minutes, etc. included and those need to be eliminated before the comparison can be made. That's why I can't just eliminate the TO_CHAR from both sides of the equation. Isn't there a way that I can pull this function out of the select statement and do it in a preceeding statement? Then I could just pass in both variables to this statement without the TO_CHAR and use my index. Is this realistic? How, exactly could it be done? SELECT DATE_KEY FROM DATE_DIM WHERE TO_CHAR(ORACLE_DATE,'DD-MON-') = TO_CHAR(:b1,'DD-MON-') SQL desc date_dim; NameNull?Type --- DATE_KEYNOT NULL NUMBER(5) ORACLE_DATE NOT NULL DATE DATACOM_DATE NUMBER(6) DATACOM_REVERSE_DATE NUMBER(6) DAY_OF_WEEK NOT NULL VARCHAR2(30) DAY_NUMBER_IN_MONTH NOT NULL NUMBER(3) DAY_NUMBER_OVERALL NOT NULL NUMBER(9) WEEK_NUMBER_IN_YEAR NOT NULL NUMBER(3) WEEK_NUMBER_OVERALL NOT NULL NUMBER(7) MONTH NOT NULL VARCHAR2(30) MONTH_NUMBER_OVERALLNOT NULL NUMBER(7) YEARNOT NULL NUMBER(5) WEEKDAY_IND NOT NULL CHAR(1) LAST_DAY_IN_MONTH_IND NOT NULL CHAR(1) DATA_WAREHOUSE_MOD_DATETIME NOT
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Robert, Put me on the list for a copy when you finish. Seriously, It is a needed book that will make sense of the information presented in the doc's. A down to earth instruction manual that explains in real terms the usage and options for RMAN. Lisa posed a question about the different views and their interrelations and she wanted to know about deleting old backup sets when you do not use a catalog. It seams that Oracle docs only talk about using a catalog. A lot of us do not have the need for a catalog and tying the command to the non catalog RMAN would be helpful. Answer to simple question like: Do have to use RMAN to backup my read only tablespaces? How do I get the tape drive to work with RMAN? How do I perform a database backup when I only have 5 GIG free space and the data is 20 GIG? If I use OEM to run the backups can I have my OMS on the same server? Does OEM backup use RMAN in a GUI form? Can I use RMAN to restore a database that was backup up with OEM backup? Just a few questions that are encountered each day as we go through the process of backing up our data. Ron ROR mô¿ôm [EMAIL PROTECTED] 04/09/02 01:53PM I'm contemplating doing an Rman backup and recovery handbook. I'm wondering what you would like to see in such a book and would you use such a book? Ideas and comments welcome. Robert G. Freeman - Oracle8i OCP Oracle DBA Technical Lead CSX Midtier Database Administration The Cigarette Smoking Man: Anyone who can appease a man's conscience can take his freedom away from him. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Ron Rogers INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
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I agree with Ethan. 1. Please give some good examples for working the various storage management products, Veritas, Tivoli, Legato, etc? I've spent a huge ammount of time trying to get the transport layer working properly. 2. Cloning (I can share the scripts I've used) again I had a lot of difficulty getting this to work with Veritas Netbackup. 3. Anything to enhance business continuity, disaster recovery procedures. Thanks ...JIM... [EMAIL PROTECTED] 4/9/02 1:40:39 PM A section on itegration and best practices with various storage management products. In one case I back up to a Tivoli Storage Management server. Storage group said I would need an addtional product to use TSM with RMAN and that I would still not be able to have some functionality. Never cared enough to try to figure it all out. At the moment I have my own hot backup scripts. Would like to know what else is being done and what the limitations are. Ethan Post perotdba (AIM), epost1 (Yahoo) -Original Message- Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2002 12:54 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L I'm contemplating doing an Rman backup and recovery handbook. I'm wondering what you would like to see in such a book and would you use such a book? Ideas and comments welcome. Robert G. Freeman - Oracle8i OCP Oracle DBA Technical Lead CSX Midtier Database Administration The Cigarette Smoking Man: Anyone who can appease a man's conscience can take his freedom away from him. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Post, Ethan INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: James Howerton INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
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Robert, That's good to know. A dedicated RMAN book would be great !! Hope you cover *all* available MML stuff.. like IBM/Tivoli ADSM/TSM, Legato etc.. etc.. and how to setup and use RMAN for Disaster Recovery scenarios, where databases would be recovered on different server and different location. Good Luck.. Regards, - Kirti -Original Message- Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2002 1:12 PM To: 'Deshpande, Kirti'; [EMAIL PROTECTED] I have the book, and it is a pretty good 101 book. My book seeks to go to the next level, looking at things like the data dictionary views, the recovery catalog tables and how they are used, backup and recovery case studies, and the like. I will look for input from this thread for additional content. RF Robert G. Freeman - Oracle8i OCP Oracle DBA Technical Lead CSX Midtier Database Administration The Cigarette Smoking Man: Anyone who can appease a man's conscience can take his freedom away from him. -Original Message- Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2002 1:40 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Freeman, Robert FWIW -- Oracle Press recently published a Backup Recovery 101 book by Kenny Smith and Stephan Haisley. I have not yet read it, but it claims to have RMAN coverage. Since it is part of the '101' series, I presume it covers most of the basic stuff. Has anyone purchased it? And read it? I may check it out at IOUG-A next week :) Regards, - Kirti -Original Message- Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2002 12:54 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L I'm contemplating doing an Rman backup and recovery handbook. I'm wondering what you would like to see in such a book and would you use such a book? Ideas and comments welcome. Robert G. Freeman - Oracle8i OCP Oracle DBA Technical Lead CSX Midtier Database Administration The Cigarette Smoking Man: Anyone who can appease a man's conscience can take his freedom away from him. -Original Message- Sent: Monday, April 08, 2002 2:54 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L I don't think you can do it.. I mean, you could change it to trunc the oracle_date field (that eliminates the minutes) and then do a to_date of :b1 but you will still be operating on the oracle_date field. Okay, I HATE to suggest this, but since the table is small: add another field to the table oracle_date_2 as a date field. Update the table set oracle_date_2=trunc(oracle_date) add a trigger to fill in oracle_date_2 when you insert a row or update the oracle_date column create an index on oracle_date_2 and change the query to use that column --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've got the following SQL statement that is running very long on a nightly data load. The problem is the TO_CHAR function which is preventing me from using the index on this small (20,000-row table). This is an 8.0.4 database so it is not possible for me to use make this a function-based index. The problem is that the date field has minutes, etc. included and those need to be eliminated before the comparison can be made. That's why I can't just eliminate the TO_CHAR from both sides of the equation. Isn't there a way that I can pull this function out of the select statement and do it in a preceeding statement? Then I could just pass in both variables to this statement without the TO_CHAR and use my index. Is this realistic? How, exactly could it be done? SELECT DATE_KEY FROM DATE_DIM WHERE TO_CHAR(ORACLE_DATE,'DD-MON-') = TO_CHAR(:b1,'DD-MON-') SQL desc date_dim; NameNull?Type --- DATE_KEYNOT NULL NUMBER(5) ORACLE_DATE NOT NULL DATE DATACOM_DATE NUMBER(6) DATACOM_REVERSE_DATE NUMBER(6) DAY_OF_WEEK NOT NULL VARCHAR2(30) DAY_NUMBER_IN_MONTH NOT NULL NUMBER(3) DAY_NUMBER_OVERALL NOT NULL NUMBER(9) WEEK_NUMBER_IN_YEAR NOT NULL NUMBER(3) WEEK_NUMBER_OVERALL NOT NULL NUMBER(7) MONTH NOT NULL VARCHAR2(30) MONTH_NUMBER_OVERALLNOT NULL NUMBER(7) YEARNOT NULL NUMBER(5) WEEKDAY_IND NOT NULL CHAR(1) LAST_DAY_IN_MONTH_IND NOT NULL CHAR(1) DATA_WAREHOUSE_MOD_DATETIME NOT NULL DATE DATA_MART_MOD_DATETIME NOT NULL DATE SQL select oracle_date from date_dim where rownum=1; ORACLE_DA - 01-JAN-70 Thanks in advance for any help. Cherie Machler Oracle DBA Gelco Information Network -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists
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I have the book, and it is a pretty good 101 book. My book seeks to go to the next level, looking at things like the data dictionary views, the recovery catalog tables and how they are used, backup and recovery case studies, and the like. I will look for input from this thread for additional content. RF Robert G. Freeman - Oracle8i OCP Oracle DBA Technical Lead CSX Midtier Database Administration The Cigarette Smoking Man: Anyone who can appease a man's conscience can take his freedom away from him. -Original Message- Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2002 1:40 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Freeman, Robert FWIW -- Oracle Press recently published a Backup Recovery 101 book by Kenny Smith and Stephan Haisley. I have not yet read it, but it claims to have RMAN coverage. Since it is part of the '101' series, I presume it covers most of the basic stuff. Has anyone purchased it? And read it? I may check it out at IOUG-A next week :) Regards, - Kirti -Original Message- Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2002 12:54 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L I'm contemplating doing an Rman backup and recovery handbook. I'm wondering what you would like to see in such a book and would you use such a book? Ideas and comments welcome. Robert G. Freeman - Oracle8i OCP Oracle DBA Technical Lead CSX Midtier Database Administration The Cigarette Smoking Man: Anyone who can appease a man's conscience can take his freedom away from him. -Original Message- Sent: Monday, April 08, 2002 2:54 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L I don't think you can do it.. I mean, you could change it to trunc the oracle_date field (that eliminates the minutes) and then do a to_date of :b1 but you will still be operating on the oracle_date field. Okay, I HATE to suggest this, but since the table is small: add another field to the table oracle_date_2 as a date field. Update the table set oracle_date_2=trunc(oracle_date) add a trigger to fill in oracle_date_2 when you insert a row or update the oracle_date column create an index on oracle_date_2 and change the query to use that column --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've got the following SQL statement that is running very long on a nightly data load. The problem is the TO_CHAR function which is preventing me from using the index on this small (20,000-row table). This is an 8.0.4 database so it is not possible for me to use make this a function-based index. The problem is that the date field has minutes, etc. included and those need to be eliminated before the comparison can be made. That's why I can't just eliminate the TO_CHAR from both sides of the equation. Isn't there a way that I can pull this function out of the select statement and do it in a preceeding statement? Then I could just pass in both variables to this statement without the TO_CHAR and use my index. Is this realistic? How, exactly could it be done? SELECT DATE_KEY FROM DATE_DIM WHERE TO_CHAR(ORACLE_DATE,'DD-MON-') = TO_CHAR(:b1,'DD-MON-') SQL desc date_dim; NameNull?Type --- DATE_KEYNOT NULL NUMBER(5) ORACLE_DATE NOT NULL DATE DATACOM_DATE NUMBER(6) DATACOM_REVERSE_DATE NUMBER(6) DAY_OF_WEEK NOT NULL VARCHAR2(30) DAY_NUMBER_IN_MONTH NOT NULL NUMBER(3) DAY_NUMBER_OVERALL NOT NULL NUMBER(9) WEEK_NUMBER_IN_YEAR NOT NULL NUMBER(3) WEEK_NUMBER_OVERALL NOT NULL NUMBER(7) MONTH NOT NULL VARCHAR2(30) MONTH_NUMBER_OVERALLNOT NULL NUMBER(7) YEARNOT NULL NUMBER(5) WEEKDAY_IND NOT NULL CHAR(1) LAST_DAY_IN_MONTH_IND NOT NULL CHAR(1) DATA_WAREHOUSE_MOD_DATETIME NOT NULL DATE DATA_MART_MOD_DATETIME NOT NULL DATE SQL select oracle_date from date_dim where rownum=1; ORACLE_DA - 01-JAN-70 Thanks in advance for any help. Cherie Machler Oracle DBA Gelco Information Network -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center -
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How about an exhaustive list of differences between running with a catalog and without. In the documentation it is so brief. It also seems that the disadvantages of running nocatalog are becoming less and less. I flipped out at first when I found out I wouldn't have another license (and therefore no rcat) but the more I read about it, the more I saw it was OK. There's even a note on Metalink about how to perform TSPITR without a catalog with one of the more recent versions. ??? I would run out and buy a book on this topic in a second if it was very detailed. The documentation is just too brief at times. Lisa Koivu Oracle Database TANK Fairfield Resorts, Inc. 954-935-4117 -Original Message- From: James Howerton [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2002 3:09 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: RE: Rman ... what do YOU need I agree with Ethan. 1. Please give some good examples for working the various storage management products, Veritas, Tivoli, Legato, etc? I've spent a huge ammount of time trying to get the transport layer working properly. 2. Cloning (I can share the scripts I've used) again I had a lot of difficulty getting this to work with Veritas Netbackup. 3. Anything to enhance business continuity, disaster recovery procedures. Thanks ...JIM... [EMAIL PROTECTED] 4/9/02 1:40:39 PM A section on itegration and best practices with various storage management products. In one case I back up to a Tivoli Storage Management server. Storage group said I would need an addtional product to use TSM with RMAN and that I would still not be able to have some functionality. Never cared enough to try to figure it all out. At the moment I have my own hot backup scripts. Would like to know what else is being done and what the limitations are. Ethan Post perotdba (AIM), epost1 (Yahoo) -Original Message- Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2002 12:54 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L I'm contemplating doing an Rman backup and recovery handbook. I'm wondering what you would like to see in such a book and would you use such a book? Ideas and comments welcome. Robert G. Freeman - Oracle8i OCP Oracle DBA Technical Lead CSX Midtier Database Administration The Cigarette Smoking Man: Anyone who can appease a man's conscience can take his freedom away from him. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Post, Ethan INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: James Howerton INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Koivu, Lisa INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
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Kirti - Thanks for mentioning it. I went ahead and ordered it, so maybe I can report to the list in about a week. Dennis Williams DBA Lifetouch, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2002 1:41 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L FWIW -- Oracle Press recently published a Backup Recovery 101 book by Kenny Smith and Stephan Haisley. I have not yet read it, but it claims to have RMAN coverage. Since it is part of the '101' series, I presume it covers most of the basic stuff. Has anyone purchased it? And read it? I may check it out at IOUG-A next week :) Regards, - Kirti -Original Message- Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2002 12:54 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L I'm contemplating doing an Rman backup and recovery handbook. I'm wondering what you would like to see in such a book and would you use such a book? Ideas and comments welcome. Robert G. Freeman - Oracle8i OCP Oracle DBA Technical Lead CSX Midtier Database Administration The Cigarette Smoking Man: Anyone who can appease a man's conscience can take his freedom away from him. -Original Message- Sent: Monday, April 08, 2002 2:54 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L I don't think you can do it.. I mean, you could change it to trunc the oracle_date field (that eliminates the minutes) and then do a to_date of :b1 but you will still be operating on the oracle_date field. Okay, I HATE to suggest this, but since the table is small: add another field to the table oracle_date_2 as a date field. Update the table set oracle_date_2=trunc(oracle_date) add a trigger to fill in oracle_date_2 when you insert a row or update the oracle_date column create an index on oracle_date_2 and change the query to use that column --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've got the following SQL statement that is running very long on a nightly data load. The problem is the TO_CHAR function which is preventing me from using the index on this small (20,000-row table). This is an 8.0.4 database so it is not possible for me to use make this a function-based index. The problem is that the date field has minutes, etc. included and those need to be eliminated before the comparison can be made. That's why I can't just eliminate the TO_CHAR from both sides of the equation. Isn't there a way that I can pull this function out of the select statement and do it in a preceeding statement? Then I could just pass in both variables to this statement without the TO_CHAR and use my index. Is this realistic? How, exactly could it be done? SELECT DATE_KEY FROM DATE_DIM WHERE TO_CHAR(ORACLE_DATE,'DD-MON-') = TO_CHAR(:b1,'DD-MON-') SQL desc date_dim; NameNull?Type --- DATE_KEYNOT NULL NUMBER(5) ORACLE_DATE NOT NULL DATE DATACOM_DATE NUMBER(6) DATACOM_REVERSE_DATE NUMBER(6) DAY_OF_WEEK NOT NULL VARCHAR2(30) DAY_NUMBER_IN_MONTH NOT NULL NUMBER(3) DAY_NUMBER_OVERALL NOT NULL NUMBER(9) WEEK_NUMBER_IN_YEAR NOT NULL NUMBER(3) WEEK_NUMBER_OVERALL NOT NULL NUMBER(7) MONTH NOT NULL VARCHAR2(30) MONTH_NUMBER_OVERALLNOT NULL NUMBER(7) YEARNOT NULL NUMBER(5) WEEKDAY_IND NOT NULL CHAR(1) LAST_DAY_IN_MONTH_IND NOT NULL CHAR(1) DATA_WAREHOUSE_MOD_DATETIME NOT NULL DATE DATA_MART_MOD_DATETIME NOT NULL DATE SQL select oracle_date from date_dim where rownum=1; ORACLE_DA - 01-JAN-70 Thanks in advance for any help. Cherie Machler Oracle DBA Gelco Information Network -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Rachel Carmichael INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists
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Robert, Sample queries against the Rman Views - or - how to navigate to find stuff within the structure would be very helpful. As well as standard installation procedures for using Rman against the various SBT software components. Configuring these beasts is where most of the challenge lies. And then, various recover scenarious. Even though Rman does a pretty decent job of this. Good luck, and please feel free to ask for help! Tom Mercadante Oracle Certified Professional -Original Message- Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2002 3:09 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L I have the book, and it is a pretty good 101 book. My book seeks to go to the next level, looking at things like the data dictionary views, the recovery catalog tables and how they are used, backup and recovery case studies, and the like. I will look for input from this thread for additional content. RF Robert G. Freeman - Oracle8i OCP Oracle DBA Technical Lead CSX Midtier Database Administration The Cigarette Smoking Man: Anyone who can appease a man's conscience can take his freedom away from him. -Original Message- Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2002 1:40 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Freeman, Robert FWIW -- Oracle Press recently published a Backup Recovery 101 book by Kenny Smith and Stephan Haisley. I have not yet read it, but it claims to have RMAN coverage. Since it is part of the '101' series, I presume it covers most of the basic stuff. Has anyone purchased it? And read it? I may check it out at IOUG-A next week :) Regards, - Kirti -Original Message- Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2002 12:54 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L I'm contemplating doing an Rman backup and recovery handbook. I'm wondering what you would like to see in such a book and would you use such a book? Ideas and comments welcome. Robert G. Freeman - Oracle8i OCP Oracle DBA Technical Lead CSX Midtier Database Administration The Cigarette Smoking Man: Anyone who can appease a man's conscience can take his freedom away from him. -Original Message- Sent: Monday, April 08, 2002 2:54 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L I don't think you can do it.. I mean, you could change it to trunc the oracle_date field (that eliminates the minutes) and then do a to_date of :b1 but you will still be operating on the oracle_date field. Okay, I HATE to suggest this, but since the table is small: add another field to the table oracle_date_2 as a date field. Update the table set oracle_date_2=trunc(oracle_date) add a trigger to fill in oracle_date_2 when you insert a row or update the oracle_date column create an index on oracle_date_2 and change the query to use that column --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've got the following SQL statement that is running very long on a nightly data load. The problem is the TO_CHAR function which is preventing me from using the index on this small (20,000-row table). This is an 8.0.4 database so it is not possible for me to use make this a function-based index. The problem is that the date field has minutes, etc. included and those need to be eliminated before the comparison can be made. That's why I can't just eliminate the TO_CHAR from both sides of the equation. Isn't there a way that I can pull this function out of the select statement and do it in a preceeding statement? Then I could just pass in both variables to this statement without the TO_CHAR and use my index. Is this realistic? How, exactly could it be done? SELECT DATE_KEY FROM DATE_DIM WHERE TO_CHAR(ORACLE_DATE,'DD-MON-') = TO_CHAR(:b1,'DD-MON-') SQL desc date_dim; NameNull?Type --- DATE_KEYNOT NULL NUMBER(5) ORACLE_DATE NOT NULL DATE DATACOM_DATE NUMBER(6) DATACOM_REVERSE_DATE NUMBER(6) DAY_OF_WEEK NOT NULL VARCHAR2(30) DAY_NUMBER_IN_MONTH NOT NULL NUMBER(3) DAY_NUMBER_OVERALL NOT NULL NUMBER(9) WEEK_NUMBER_IN_YEAR NOT NULL NUMBER(3) WEEK_NUMBER_OVERALL NOT NULL NUMBER(7) MONTH NOT NULL VARCHAR2(30) MONTH_NUMBER_OVERALLNOT NULL NUMBER(7) YEARNOT NULL NUMBER(5) WEEKDAY_IND NOT NULL CHAR(1) LAST_DAY_IN_MONTH_IND NOT NULL CHAR(1) DATA_WAREHOUSE_MOD_DATETIME NOT NULL DATE DATA_MART_MOD_DATETIME NOT NULL DATE SQL select oracle_date from date_dim where rownum=1; ORACLE_DA - 01-JAN-70 Thanks in advance for any help. Cherie Machler Oracle DBA Gelco Information Network -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858)
RE: Rman ... what do YOU need
Oh... I'm sure I'll be asking for help, particularly where the media management layer is involved :-) RF -Original Message- Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2002 3:36 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Robert, Sample queries against the Rman Views - or - how to navigate to find stuff within the structure would be very helpful. As well as standard installation procedures for using Rman against the various SBT software components. Configuring these beasts is where most of the challenge lies. And then, various recover scenarious. Even though Rman does a pretty decent job of this. Good luck, and please feel free to ask for help! Tom Mercadante Oracle Certified Professional -Original Message- Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2002 3:09 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L I have the book, and it is a pretty good 101 book. My book seeks to go to the next level, looking at things like the data dictionary views, the recovery catalog tables and how they are used, backup and recovery case studies, and the like. I will look for input from this thread for additional content. RF Robert G. Freeman - Oracle8i OCP Oracle DBA Technical Lead CSX Midtier Database Administration The Cigarette Smoking Man: Anyone who can appease a man's conscience can take his freedom away from him. -Original Message- Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2002 1:40 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Freeman, Robert FWIW -- Oracle Press recently published a Backup Recovery 101 book by Kenny Smith and Stephan Haisley. I have not yet read it, but it claims to have RMAN coverage. Since it is part of the '101' series, I presume it covers most of the basic stuff. Has anyone purchased it? And read it? I may check it out at IOUG-A next week :) Regards, - Kirti -Original Message- Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2002 12:54 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L I'm contemplating doing an Rman backup and recovery handbook. I'm wondering what you would like to see in such a book and would you use such a book? Ideas and comments welcome. Robert G. Freeman - Oracle8i OCP Oracle DBA Technical Lead CSX Midtier Database Administration The Cigarette Smoking Man: Anyone who can appease a man's conscience can take his freedom away from him. -Original Message- Sent: Monday, April 08, 2002 2:54 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L I don't think you can do it.. I mean, you could change it to trunc the oracle_date field (that eliminates the minutes) and then do a to_date of :b1 but you will still be operating on the oracle_date field. Okay, I HATE to suggest this, but since the table is small: add another field to the table oracle_date_2 as a date field. Update the table set oracle_date_2=trunc(oracle_date) add a trigger to fill in oracle_date_2 when you insert a row or update the oracle_date column create an index on oracle_date_2 and change the query to use that column --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've got the following SQL statement that is running very long on a nightly data load. The problem is the TO_CHAR function which is preventing me from using the index on this small (20,000-row table). This is an 8.0.4 database so it is not possible for me to use make this a function-based index. The problem is that the date field has minutes, etc. included and those need to be eliminated before the comparison can be made. That's why I can't just eliminate the TO_CHAR from both sides of the equation. Isn't there a way that I can pull this function out of the select statement and do it in a preceeding statement? Then I could just pass in both variables to this statement without the TO_CHAR and use my index. Is this realistic? How, exactly could it be done? SELECT DATE_KEY FROM DATE_DIM WHERE TO_CHAR(ORACLE_DATE,'DD-MON-') = TO_CHAR(:b1,'DD-MON-') SQL desc date_dim; NameNull?Type --- DATE_KEYNOT NULL NUMBER(5) ORACLE_DATE NOT NULL DATE DATACOM_DATE NUMBER(6) DATACOM_REVERSE_DATE NUMBER(6) DAY_OF_WEEK NOT NULL VARCHAR2(30) DAY_NUMBER_IN_MONTH NOT NULL NUMBER(3) DAY_NUMBER_OVERALL NOT NULL NUMBER(9) WEEK_NUMBER_IN_YEAR NOT NULL NUMBER(3) WEEK_NUMBER_OVERALL NOT NULL NUMBER(7) MONTH NOT NULL VARCHAR2(30) MONTH_NUMBER_OVERALLNOT NULL NUMBER(7) YEARNOT NULL NUMBER(5) WEEKDAY_IND NOT NULL CHAR(1) LAST_DAY_IN_MONTH_IND NOT NULL CHAR(1) DATA_WAREHOUSE_MOD_DATETIME NOT NULL DATE DATA_MART_MOD_DATETIME NOT NULL DATE SQL select oracle_date from date_dim where rownum=1; ORACLE_DA - 01-JAN-70 Thanks in advance for any help.
RE: Rman ... what do YOU need
I'm currently struggling with the MML Veritas NetBackup. What I'd like is cohesive definition and examples showing use of the views (v$backup_sync_io and v$backup_async_io) that are there to supposedly let me know if the tape is streaming, and to compare throughput from the point of view of RMAN with theoretical throughput for both the tape devices and the disk devices. I'm using asynchronous IO, slaved IO processes and multiple channels to tape in an attempt to get a data warehouse backed up in a reasonable time. This takes a great deal of large pool memory, which I'd like to override at times (e.g. when running a job that should give a small amount of output, it'd be nice to be able to override the large pool use, sort of like forcing a dedicated server with sqlnet.ora from the client when connecting to an MTS listener.) Some indication of the balancing act between backup times and recovery times would also be good. So I guess the ideas boil down to this: o how to tell if you're getting the most from your RMAN config o how to plan resources for optimal use by RMAN o balancing time-to-backup with time-to-recovery Hope this helps... Steve -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Austin, Steve S INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
