RE: SUMMARY: Thanks everyone - tru64
So the user groups and DBAs can identify the bugs before the release to the general corporate public. ROR mª¿ªm [EMAIL PROTECTED] 06/06/01 12:12PM My question is, if they are developing on HP-UX, why was 9i for SPARC released first? Patrice Boivin Systems Analyst (Oracle Certified DBA) Systems Admin Operations | Admin. et Exploit. des systèmes Technology Services| Services technologiques Informatics Branch | Direction de l'informatique Maritimes Region, DFO | Région des Maritimes, MPO E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2001 9:31 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L According to a technical representative at Oracle in Rochester, NY, Oracle no longer develops on Solaris. He stated that they have changed to HP-UX for development. He said the reason was instability with Solaris. Koivu, Lisa wrote: Kevin, sure I will. I just didn't want to muck up the list. Here's what I found. If anyone has any comments to add, please do. My question was about the utilities across different flavors of Unix and if they mean the same thing. vmstat, iostat are the same, however the switches may be a bit different. sar is system V only. truss you must purchase a license for. top is freeware. There is a utility called 'collect' that does something similar to top. The response regarding tru64 has been overwhelmingly positive. Some of the positive comments I received: 1. C compiler (Kernighan and Richie) is not ANSI compliant and may affect any 3rd party apps. 2. Compaq hardware used to be lagging in Oracle (Apps) patch releases. Not anymore. 3. The journaling filesystem makes mistakes like unplugging the wrong cord (oops!) a simple fix instead of hours of downtime. 4. Security - Since tru64 is not 'mainstream', e.g. marketed everywhere extremely popular, intimate knowledge for hacking the os is not widely known. So obscurity works in your favor. 5. Clustering technology is mature, solid and proven. 6. tru64 is indeed a first tier platform for Oracle. 7. Compaq's support is rated as 'very helpful'. 8. tru64 has the ability to quickly clone a filesystem. 9. OPS can reside on a filesystem on tru64. 10. Benchmarking Solaris E10K/64CPU against Compaq GS-160/16CPU favored the Compaq! WOW 11. For 9i, Oracle licensed also the TruCluster technology from Compaq. Oracle RAC (Real Application Cluster, new names for OPS) for 9i will only initially be available on tru64, truly first tier. Caveats/ Other comments: 1. Sun, relying on their own proprietary hardware, may be hurting themselves in the long run. 2. Sun is ex-pen-sive! Compaq wins in this comparison. 3. The future of Sun and Compaq seems a bit shaky right now, but they should pull through in the long run. 4. There's a bug in tru64 that doesn't allow one listener to service databases with different versions. Workaround is multiple listeners (no big deal) 5. Oracle does develop on Sun hardware. Calling OWWS for a Solaris system may net an answer quicker than running tru64. 6. Avoid the ultra sparc-2 chips from Sun. They have a problem with bad caches causing random reboots. I saw this at a previous employer. 7. If it's possible, consider IBM/AIX. IBM's sales force is highly trained in administration so you can talk real system architecture with them (not that I'm an admin or architect, I am neither). IBM's support is also top notch. Special thanks to the following people for their responses: Scott Shafer Ron Morton Lee Robertson Jerry Hess Michael Hand Murali Vallath Joe Hatchel Mike Kurt Ray Stell Darren Browett Stephen Andert Stefan Moeding And, the one and only clown Ross Mohan Like I said, I'm overwhelmed at how helpful everyone is. -Original Message- Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2001 12:02 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Lisa: How about contributing a summary of the feedback? Kevin -Original Message- Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2001 11:37 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L I just wanted to say thank you to everyone who responded to me when I asked for info on tru64 Unix. I received much more info and feedback than I ever expected! This list is extremely helpful
OT: multiple os partitions? / RE: SUMMARY: Thanks everyone - tru64
was just talking to the campus IBM mainframe sa the other day, and he said that they run multiple instances (test/production) of the usual IBM mainframe *os* on the box, and that they run not only multiple versions of the usual IBM mainframe os, but that they also have red hat linux running on the same box. just wondering, is it typical that non-mainframe unix boxes can run multiple instances/partitions of operating systems on one box? thanks, ep On 6 Jun 2001, at 18:15, Mohan, Ross wrote: Thanks to both of you for these posts. I am passing it along to team members...very helpful -Original Message- To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Sent: 6/6/2001 7:56 PM Lisa, If you want an exact echo of Kevin's statement, count me in. We had a similar situation in a far-away, tiny country called Brunei. AIX is the best UNIX OS I have seen - at least for the SA. And the S80 is a lean, mean monster. ... -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Eric D. Pierce INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: multiple os partitions? / RE: SUMMARY: Thanks everyone - tru64
Probably not common on Unix in general, but we typically slice Sun E10ks up into multiple domains with each running as an independent node - unique IP, different versions of Solaris, etc. -Don Granaman [Certifiable OraSaurus] - Original Message - To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2001 12:51 PM was just talking to the campus IBM mainframe sa the other day, and he said that they run multiple instances (test/production) of the usual IBM mainframe *os* on the box, and that they run not only multiple versions of the usual IBM mainframe os, but that they also have red hat linux running on the same box. just wondering, is it typical that non-mainframe unix boxes can run multiple instances/partitions of operating systems on one box? thanks, ep On 6 Jun 2001, at 18:15, Mohan, Ross wrote: Thanks to both of you for these posts. I am passing it along to team members...very helpful -Original Message- To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Sent: 6/6/2001 7:56 PM Lisa, If you want an exact echo of Kevin's statement, count me in. We had a similar situation in a far-away, tiny country called Brunei. AIX is the best UNIX OS I have seen - at least for the SA. And the S80 is a lean, mean monster. ... -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Eric D. Pierce INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Don Granaman INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: OT: multiple os partitions? / RE: SUMMARY: Thanks everyone - tru64
Sun E10K's, Sequents, and some others I can't recall can do this. The Sun boxes are limited to Unix I believe. Sequents are Numa Q boxes on Intel, and can run Unix and NT simultaneously. Jared On Thursday 07 June 2001 10:51, Eric D. Pierce wrote: was just talking to the campus IBM mainframe sa the other day, and he said that they run multiple instances (test/production) of the usual IBM mainframe *os* on the box, and that they run not only multiple versions of the usual IBM mainframe os, but that they also have red hat linux running on the same box. just wondering, is it typical that non-mainframe unix boxes can run multiple instances/partitions of operating systems on one box? thanks, ep On 6 Jun 2001, at 18:15, Mohan, Ross wrote: Thanks to both of you for these posts. I am passing it along to team members...very helpful -Original Message- To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Sent: 6/6/2001 7:56 PM Lisa, If you want an exact echo of Kevin's statement, count me in. We had a similar situation in a far-away, tiny country called Brunei. AIX is the best UNIX OS I have seen - at least for the SA. And the S80 is a lean, mean monster. ... -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Jared Still INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: SUMMARY: Thanks everyone - tru64
On Tuesday 05 June 2001 13:15, Koivu, Lisa wrote: 10. Benchmarking Solaris E10K/64CPU against Compaq GS-160/16CPU favored the Compaq! WOW The same can be said for a loaded ( 16 way ) IBM RS6000 S80 running AIX. *Much* less than an E10k and equivialent processing power. 2. Sun is ex-pen-sive! Compaq wins in this comparison. Again, the IBM solution is also less money than Sun. 7. If it's possible, consider IBM/AIX. IBM's sales force is highly trained in administration so you can talk real system architecture with them (not that I'm an admin or architect, I am neither). IBM's support is also top notch. Yeah, but you still gotta listen pretty closely to the sales pitch. The *are* sales folks after all. Intestingly, the DH Brown report put AIX on top of the unix heap for several year, that is until this year, when Solaris edged it out. Jared -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Jared Still INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: OT RE: SUMMARY: Thanks everyone - tru64
On Tue, 5 Jun 2001,Mohan, Ross scribbled on the wall in glitter crayon: -I AM AN IDIOT HOLD IT! that's *my* job on this list, thank you. i've worked long and hard to be the best idiot is can so i *deserve* the job.;-) -- Bill Shrek Thater Certifiable ORACLE DBA Telergy, Inc.[EMAIL PROTECTED] ~~ You gotta program like you don't need the money, You gotta compile like you'll never get hurt, You gotta run like there's nobody watching, It's gotta come from the heart if you want it to work. ~~ You have junk mail. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Thater, William INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: OT RE: SUMMARY: Thanks everyone - tru64
I wonder if we on the list made our own show of Wizard of OZ who would be the StrawMan, TinMan, Lion, and, well...Dorothy. Applications are being accepted for good witch, bad witch, and the wizard, of course. I've got dibs on ToTo -Original Message- To: Mohan, Ross Cc: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Sent: 6/6/2001 8:03 AM On Tue, 5 Jun 2001,Mohan, Ross scribbled on the wall in glitter crayon: -I AM AN IDIOT HOLD IT! that's *my* job on this list, thank you. i've worked long and hard to be the best idiot is can so i *deserve* the job.;-) -- Bill Shrek Thater Certifiable ORACLE DBA Telergy, Inc.[EMAIL PROTECTED] ~~ You gotta program like you don't need the money, You gotta compile like you'll never get hurt, You gotta run like there's nobody watching, It's gotta come from the heart if you want it to work. ~~ You have junk mail. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Mohan, Ross INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: OT RE: SUMMARY: Thanks everyone - tru64
Can I try out for a flying monkey role! :o) -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2001 8:11 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L I wonder if we on the list made our own show of Wizard of OZ who would be the StrawMan, TinMan, Lion, and, well...Dorothy. Applications are being accepted for good witch, bad witch, and the wizard, of course. I've got dibs on ToTo -Original Message- To: Mohan, Ross Cc: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Sent: 6/6/2001 8:03 AM On Tue, 5 Jun 2001,Mohan, Ross scribbled on the wall in glitter crayon: -I AM AN IDIOT HOLD IT! that's *my* job on this list, thank you. i've worked long and hard to be the best idiot is can so i *deserve* the job.;-) -- Bill Shrek Thater Certifiable ORACLE DBA Telergy, Inc.[EMAIL PROTECTED] ~~ You gotta program like you don't need the money, You gotta compile like you'll never get hurt, You gotta run like there's nobody watching, It's gotta come from the heart if you want it to work. ~~ You have junk mail. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Mohan, Ross INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Farnsworth, Dave INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
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PLEASE I want to be the wicked witch!!! 8] April Wells Corporate Systems Amarillo Texas -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2001 8:41 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Can I try out for a flying monkey role! :o) -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2001 8:11 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L I wonder if we on the list made our own show of Wizard of OZ who would be the StrawMan, TinMan, Lion, and, well...Dorothy. Applications are being accepted for good witch, bad witch, and the wizard, of course. I've got dibs on ToTo -Original Message- To: Mohan, Ross Cc: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Sent: 6/6/2001 8:03 AM On Tue, 5 Jun 2001,Mohan, Ross scribbled on the wall in glitter crayon: -I AM AN IDIOT HOLD IT! that's *my* job on this list, thank you. i've worked long and hard to be the best idiot is can so i *deserve* the job.;-) -- Bill Shrek Thater Certifiable ORACLE DBA Telergy, Inc.[EMAIL PROTECTED] ~~ You gotta program like you don't need the money, You gotta compile like you'll never get hurt, You gotta run like there's nobody watching, It's gotta come from the heart if you want it to work. ~~ You have junk mail. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Mohan, Ross INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Farnsworth, Dave INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). The information contained in this e-mail is strictly confidential and for the intended use of the addressee only; it may also be legally privileged and/or price sensitive. Notice is hereby given that any disclosure, use or copying of the information by anyone other than the intended recipient is prohibited and may be illegal. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail. Corporate Systems, Inc. has taken every reasonable precaution to ensure that any attachment to this e-mail has been swept for viruses. We accept no liability for any damage sustained as a result of software viruses and advise you carry out your own virus checks before opening any attachment. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: April Wells INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: SUMMARY: Thanks everyone - tru64
According to a technical representative at Oracle in Rochester, NY, Oracle no longer develops on Solaris. He stated that they have changed to HP-UX for development. He said the reason was instability with Solaris. "Koivu, Lisa" wrote: Kevin, sure I will. I just didn't want to muck up the list. Here's what I found. If anyone has any comments to add, please do. My question was about the utilities across different flavors of Unix and if they mean the same thing. vmstat, iostat are the same, however the switches may be a bit different. sar is system V only. truss you must purchase a license for. top is freeware. There is a utility called 'collect' that does something similar to top. The response regarding tru64 has been overwhelmingly positive. Some of the positive comments I received: 1. C compiler (Kernighan and Richie) is not ANSI compliant and may affect any 3rd party apps. 2. Compaq hardware used to be lagging in Oracle (Apps) patch releases. Not anymore. 3. The journaling filesystem makes mistakes like unplugging the wrong cord (oops!) a simple fix instead of hours of downtime. 4. Security - Since tru64 is not 'mainstream', e.g. marketed everywhere extremely popular, intimate knowledge for hacking the os is not widely known. So obscurity works in your favor. 5. Clustering technology is mature, solid and proven. 6. tru64 is indeed a first tier platform for Oracle. 7. Compaq's support is rated as 'very helpful'. 8. tru64 has the ability to quickly clone a filesystem. 9. OPS can reside on a filesystem on tru64. 10. Benchmarking Solaris E10K/64CPU against Compaq GS-160/16CPU favored the Compaq! WOW 11. For 9i, Oracle licensed also the TruCluster technology from Compaq. Oracle RAC (Real Application Cluster, new names for OPS) for 9i will only initially be available on tru64, truly first tier. Caveats/ Other comments: 1. Sun, relying on their own proprietary hardware, may be hurting themselves in the long run. 2. Sun is ex-pen-sive! Compaq wins in this comparison. 3. The future of Sun and Compaq seems a bit shaky right now, but they should pull through in the long run. 4. There's a bug in tru64 that doesn't allow one listener to service databases with different versions. Workaround is multiple listeners (no big deal) 5. Oracle does develop on Sun hardware. Calling OWWS for a Solaris system may net an answer quicker than running tru64. 6. Avoid the ultra sparc-2 chips from Sun. They have a problem with bad caches causing random reboots. I saw this at a previous employer. 7. If it's possible, consider IBM/AIX. IBM's sales force is highly trained in administration so you can talk real system architecture with them (not that I'm an admin or architect, I am neither). IBM's support is also top notch. Special thanks to the following people for their responses: Scott Shafer Ron Morton Lee Robertson Jerry Hess Michael Hand Murali Vallath Joe Hatchel Mike Kurt Ray Stell Darren Browett Stephen Andert Stefan Moeding And, the one and only clown Ross Mohan Like I said, I'm overwhelmed at how helpful everyone is. -Original Message- From: Toepke, Kevin M [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2001 12:02 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: RE: Thanks everyone - tru64 Lisa: How about contributing a summary of the feedback? Kevin -Original Message- Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2001 11:37 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L I just wanted to say thank you to everyone who responded to me when I asked for info on tru64 Unix. I received much more info and feedback than I ever expected! This list is extremely helpful and I am very appreciative of how willing people are to answer questions. I just hope I contribute enough to make up for how much everyone here has helped me. HELP! Have a great day, all. Lisa Koivu Oracle Database Administrator 954-935-4117 The information in the electronic mail message is Cendant confidential and may be legally privileged, it is intended solely for the addressee(s) access to this internet electronic mail message by anyone else is unauthorized. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it is prohibited and may be unlawful. The sender believes that this E-mail and any attachments were free of any virus, worm, Trojan horse, and/or malicious code when sent. This message and its attachments could have been infected during transmission. By reading the message and opening any attachments, the recipient accepts full responsibility for taking protective and remedial action about viruses and other defects. Cendant Corporation or Affiliates are not liable for any loss or damage arising in any way from this message or its attachments. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Toepke, Kevin M INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services -- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California -- Public Internet access / Mailing
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I'd like to apply for evil-flying-monkey-thing or failing that, the muchkin who says Follow the yellow brick road! first. I have previous experience of being evil, flying and saying Follow the yellow brick road!. I have studied being a monkey to degree level. I'm ready for my closeup. Regards, Mike Hately, Oracle DBA -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: OT RE: SUMMARY: Thanks everyone - tru64
On Wed, 6 Jun 2001,Mohan, Ross scribbled on the wall in glitter crayon: - -I wonder if we on the list made our own show of Wizard of OZ -who would be the StrawMan, TinMan, Lion, and, well...Dorothy. - -Applications are being accepted for good witch, bad witch, and -the wizard, of course. - -I've got dibs on ToTo i'll stick to Shrek, fits me better. i'm just an ogernight sucess.;-) -- Bill Shrek Thater Certifiable ORACLE DBA Telergy, Inc.[EMAIL PROTECTED] ~~ You gotta program like you don't need the money, You gotta compile like you'll never get hurt, You gotta run like there's nobody watching, It's gotta come from the heart if you want it to work. ~~ You have junk mail. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Thater, William INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: OT RE: SUMMARY: Thanks everyone - tru64
As I stand a towering 5 feet 7, I could always qualify as a member of the Lollipop League or was that Guild Lee -Original Message- Sent: 06 June 2001 14:11 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L I wonder if we on the list made our own show of Wizard of OZ who would be the StrawMan, TinMan, Lion, and, well...Dorothy. Applications are being accepted for good witch, bad witch, and the wizard, of course. I've got dibs on ToTo -Original Message- To: Mohan, Ross Cc: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Sent: 6/6/2001 8:03 AM On Tue, 5 Jun 2001,Mohan, Ross scribbled on the wall in glitter crayon: -I AM AN IDIOT HOLD IT! that's *my* job on this list, thank you. i've worked long and hard to be the best idiot is can so i *deserve* the job.;-) -- Bill Shrek Thater Certifiable ORACLE DBA Telergy, Inc.[EMAIL PROTECTED] ~~ You gotta program like you don't need the money, You gotta compile like you'll never get hurt, You gotta run like there's nobody watching, It's gotta come from the heart if you want it to work. ~~ You have junk mail. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Mohan, Ross INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). The information contained in this communication is confidential, is intended only for the use of the recipient named above, and may be legally privileged. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please re-send this communication to the sender and delete the original message or any copy of it from your computer system. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Robertson Lee - lerobe INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: SUMMARY: Thanks everyone - tru64
This surely does sound the Wiz of Oz, Solaris unstable ? Tru64, get real. -Original Message- From: Scott Canaan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2001 9:31 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: Re: SUMMARY: Thanks everyone - tru64 According to a technical representative at Oracle in Rochester, NY, Oracle no longer develops on Solaris. He stated that they have changed to HP-UX for development. He said the reason was instability with Solaris. Koivu, Lisa wrote: Kevin, sure I will. I just didn't want to muck up the list. Here's what I found. If anyone has any comments to add, please do. My question was about the utilities across different flavors of Unix and if they mean the same thing. vmstat, iostat are the same, however the switches may be a bit different. sar is system V only. truss you must purchase a license for. top is freeware. There is a utility called 'collect' that does something similar to top. The response regarding tru64 has been overwhelmingly positive. Some of the positive comments I received: 1. C compiler (Kernighan and Richie) is not ANSI compliant and may affect any 3rd party apps. 2. Compaq hardware used to be lagging in Oracle (Apps) patch releases. Not anymore. 3. The journaling filesystem makes mistakes like unplugging the wrong cord (oops!) a simple fix instead of hours of downtime. 4. Security - Since tru64 is not 'mainstream', e.g. marketed everywhere extremely popular, intimate knowledge for hacking the os is not widely known. So obscurity works in your favor. 5. Clustering technology is mature, solid and proven. 6. tru64 is indeed a first tier platform for Oracle. 7. Compaq's support is rated as 'very helpful'. 8. tru64 has the ability to quickly clone a filesystem. 9. OPS can reside on a filesystem on tru64. 10. Benchmarking Solaris E10K/64CPU against Compaq GS-160/16CPU favored the Compaq! WOW 11. For 9i, Oracle licensed also the TruCluster technology from Compaq. Oracle RAC (Real Application Cluster, new names for OPS) for 9i will only initially be available on tru64, truly first tier. Caveats/ Other comments: 1. Sun, relying on their own proprietary hardware, may be hurting themselves in the long run. 2. Sun is ex-pen-sive! Compaq wins in this comparison. 3. The future of Sun and Compaq seems a bit shaky right now, but they should pull through in the long run. 4. There's a bug in tru64 that doesn't allow one listener to service databases with different versions. Workaround is multiple listeners (no big deal) 5. Oracle does develop on Sun hardware. Calling OWWS for a Solaris system may net an answer quicker than running tru64. 6. Avoid the ultra sparc-2 chips from Sun. They have a problem with bad caches causing random reboots. I saw this at a previous employer. 7. If it's possible, consider IBM/AIX. IBM's sales force is highly trained in administration so you can talk real system architecture with them (not that I'm an admin or architect, I am neither). IBM's support is also top notch. Special thanks to the following people for their responses: Scott Shafer Ron Morton Lee Robertson Jerry Hess Michael Hand Murali Vallath Joe Hatchel Mike Kurt Ray Stell Darren Browett Stephen Andert Stefan Moeding And, the one and only clown Ross Mohan Like I said, I'm overwhelmed at how helpful everyone is. -Original Message- From: Toepke, Kevin M [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2001 12:02 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: RE: Thanks everyone - tru64 Lisa: How about contributing a summary of the feedback? Kevin -Original Message- Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2001 11:37 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L I just wanted to say thank you to everyone who responded to me when I asked for info on tru64 Unix. I received much more info and feedback than I ever expected! This list is extremely helpful and I am very appreciative of how willing people are to answer questions. I just hope I contribute enough to make up for how much everyone here has helped me. HELP! Have a great day, all. Lisa Koivu Oracle Database Administrator 954-935-4117 The information in the electronic mail message is Cendant confidential and may be legally privileged, it is intended solely for the addressee(s) access to this internet electronic mail message by anyone else is unauthorized. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it is prohibited and may be unlawful. The sender believes that this E-mail and any attachments were free of any virus, worm, Trojan horse, and/or malicious code when sent. This message and its attachments could have been infected during transmission. By reading the message and opening any attachments, the recipient accepts full responsibility for taking protective and remedial action about
Re: OT RE: SUMMARY: Thanks everyone - tru64
Well, I'm one of the Munchkins. Terry Mohan, Ross wrote: I wonder if we on the list made our own show of Wizard of OZ who would be the StrawMan, TinMan, Lion, and, well...Dorothy. Applications are being accepted for good witch, bad witch, and the wizard, of course. I've got dibs on ToTo -Original Message- To: Mohan, Ross Cc: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Sent: 6/6/2001 8:03 AM On Tue, 5 Jun 2001,Mohan, Ross scribbled on the wall in glitter crayon: -I AM AN IDIOT HOLD IT! that's *my* job on this list, thank you. i've worked long and hard to be the best idiot is can so i *deserve* the job.;-) -- Bill Shrek Thater Certifiable ORACLE DBA Telergy, Inc.[EMAIL PROTECTED] ~~ You gotta program like you don't need the money, You gotta compile like you'll never get hurt, You gotta run like there's nobody watching, It's gotta come from the heart if you want it to work. ~~ You have junk mail. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Mohan, Ross INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Terry Ball INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: SUMMARY: Thanks everyone - tru64
Yea, Lisa get real. Next time, don't talk to anyone or do any research. Just follow the party line, OK? :) -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2001 10:42 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L This surely does sound the Wiz of Oz, Solaris unstable ? Tru64, get real. -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2001 9:31 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L According to a technical representative at Oracle in Rochester, NY, Oracle no longer develops on Solaris. He stated that they have changed to HP-UX for development. He said the reason was instability with Solaris. Koivu, Lisa wrote: Kevin, sure I will. I just didn't want to muck up the list. Here's what I found. If anyone has any comments to add, please do. My question was about the utilities across different flavors of Unix and if they mean the same thing. vmstat, iostat are the same, however the switches may be a bit different. sar is system V only. truss you must purchase a license for. top is freeware. There is a utility called 'collect' that does something similar to top. The response regarding tru64 has been overwhelmingly positive. Some of the positive comments I received: 1. C compiler (Kernighan and Richie) is not ANSI compliant and may affect any 3rd party apps. 2. Compaq hardware used to be lagging in Oracle (Apps) patch releases. Not anymore. 3. The journaling filesystem makes mistakes like unplugging the wrong cord (oops!) a simple fix instead of hours of downtime. 4. Security - Since tru64 is not 'mainstream', e.g. marketed everywhere extremely popular, intimate knowledge for hacking the os is not widely known. So obscurity works in your favor. 5. Clustering technology is mature, solid and proven. 6. tru64 is indeed a first tier platform for Oracle. 7. Compaq's support is rated as 'very helpful'. 8. tru64 has the ability to quickly clone a filesystem. 9. OPS can reside on a filesystem on tru64. 10. Benchmarking Solaris E10K/64CPU against Compaq GS-160/16CPU favored the Compaq! WOW 11. For 9i, Oracle licensed also the TruCluster technology from Compaq. Oracle RAC (Real Application Cluster, new names for OPS) for 9i will only initially be available on tru64, truly first tier. Caveats/ Other comments: 1. Sun, relying on their own proprietary hardware, may be hurting themselves in the long run. 2. Sun is ex-pen-sive! Compaq wins in this comparison. 3. The future of Sun and Compaq seems a bit shaky right now, but they should pull through in the long run. 4. There's a bug in tru64 that doesn't allow one listener to service databases with different versions. Workaround is multiple listeners (no big deal) 5. Oracle does develop on Sun hardware. Calling OWWS for a Solaris system may net an answer quicker than running tru64. 6. Avoid the ultra sparc-2 chips from Sun. They have a problem with bad caches causing random reboots. I saw this at a previous employer. 7. If it's possible, consider IBM/AIX. IBM's sales force is highly trained in administration so you can talk real system architecture with them (not that I'm an admin or architect, I am neither). IBM's support is also top notch. Special thanks to the following people for their responses: Scott Shafer Ron Morton Lee Robertson Jerry Hess Michael Hand Murali Vallath Joe Hatchel Mike Kurt Ray Stell Darren Browett Stephen Andert Stefan Moeding And, the one and only clown Ross Mohan Like I said, I'm overwhelmed at how helpful everyone is. -Original Message- Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2001 12:02 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Lisa: How about contributing a summary of the feedback? Kevin -Original Message- Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2001 11:37 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L I just wanted to say thank you to everyone who responded to me when I asked for info on tru64 Unix. I received much more info and feedback than I ever expected! This list is extremely helpful and I am very appreciative of how willing people are to answer questions. I just hope I contribute enough to make up for how much everyone here has helped me. HELP! Have a great day, all. Lisa Koivu Oracle Database Administrator 954-935-4117 The information in the electronic mail message is Cendant confidential and may be legally privileged, it is intended solely for the addressee(s) access to this internet electronic mail message by anyone else is unauthorized. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it is prohibited and may be unlawful. The sender believes that this E-mail and any attachments were free of any virus, worm, Trojan horse, and/or malicious code when sent. This message and its attachments could have been infected during transmission. By reading the message and opening any attachments, the
RE: SUMMARY: Thanks everyone - tru64
Well, that certainly matches my recent experience. I know of more than one very large customer having trouble with Sun and another large academic site who swapped 80-odd sun servers for AIX. Makes NT look more and more like the dot in dot com everyday. EG -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2001 9:31 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L According to a technical representative at Oracle in Rochester, NY, Oracle no longer develops on Solaris. He stated that they have changed to HP-UX for development. He said the reason was instability with Solaris. Koivu, Lisa wrote: Kevin, sure I will. I just didn't want to muck up the list. Here's what I found. If anyone has any comments to add, please do. My question was about the utilities across different flavors of Unix and if they mean the same thing. vmstat, iostat are the same, however the switches may be a bit different. sar is system V only. truss you must purchase a license for. top is freeware. There is a utility called 'collect' that does something similar to top. The response regarding tru64 has been overwhelmingly positive. Some of the positive comments I received: 1. C compiler (Kernighan and Richie) is not ANSI compliant and may affect any 3rd party apps. 2. Compaq hardware used to be lagging in Oracle (Apps) patch releases. Not anymore. 3. The journaling filesystem makes mistakes like unplugging the wrong cord (oops!) a simple fix instead of hours of downtime. 4. Security - Since tru64 is not 'mainstream', e.g. marketed everywhere extremely popular, intimate knowledge for hacking the os is not widely known. So obscurity works in your favor. 5. Clustering technology is mature, solid and proven. 6. tru64 is indeed a first tier platform for Oracle. 7. Compaq's support is rated as 'very helpful'. 8. tru64 has the ability to quickly clone a filesystem. 9. OPS can reside on a filesystem on tru64. 10. Benchmarking Solaris E10K/64CPU against Compaq GS-160/16CPU favored the Compaq! WOW 11. For 9i, Oracle licensed also the TruCluster technology from Compaq. Oracle RAC (Real Application Cluster, new names for OPS) for 9i will only initially be available on tru64, truly first tier. Caveats/ Other comments: 1. Sun, relying on their own proprietary hardware, may be hurting themselves in the long run. 2. Sun is ex-pen-sive! Compaq wins in this comparison. 3. The future of Sun and Compaq seems a bit shaky right now, but they should pull through in the long run. 4. There's a bug in tru64 that doesn't allow one listener to service databases with different versions. Workaround is multiple listeners (no big deal) 5. Oracle does develop on Sun hardware. Calling OWWS for a Solaris system may net an answer quicker than running tru64. 6. Avoid the ultra sparc-2 chips from Sun. They have a problem with bad caches causing random reboots. I saw this at a previous employer. 7. If it's possible, consider IBM/AIX. IBM's sales force is highly trained in administration so you can talk real system architecture with them (not that I'm an admin or architect, I am neither). IBM's support is also top notch. Special thanks to the following people for their responses: Scott Shafer Ron Morton Lee Robertson Jerry Hess Michael Hand Murali Vallath Joe Hatchel Mike Kurt Ray Stell Darren Browett Stephen Andert Stefan Moeding And, the one and only clown Ross Mohan Like I said, I'm overwhelmed at how helpful everyone is. -Original Message- Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2001 12:02 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Lisa: How about contributing a summary of the feedback? Kevin -Original Message- Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2001 11:37 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L I just wanted to say thank you to everyone who responded to me when I asked for info on tru64 Unix. I received much more info and feedback than I ever expected! This list is extremely helpful and I am very appreciative of how willing people are to answer questions. I just hope I contribute enough to make up for how much everyone here has helped me. HELP! Have a great day, all. Lisa Koivu Oracle Database Administrator 954-935-4117 The information in the electronic mail message is Cendant confidential and may be legally privileged, it is intended solely for the addressee(s) access to this internet electronic mail message by anyone else is unauthorized. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it is prohibited and may be unlawful. The sender believes that this E-mail and any attachments were free of any virus, worm, Trojan horse, and/or malicious code when sent. This message and its attachments could have been infected
RE: OT RE: SUMMARY: Thanks everyone - tru64
I think that Ross should be the lion! hhehehhehehe whoo hoo -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2001 10:49 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Well, I'm one of the Munchkins. Terry Mohan, Ross wrote: I wonder if we on the list made our own show of Wizard of OZ who would be the StrawMan, TinMan, Lion, and, well...Dorothy. Applications are being accepted for good witch, bad witch, and the wizard, of course. I've got dibs on ToTo -Original Message- To: Mohan, Ross Cc: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Sent: 6/6/2001 8:03 AM On Tue, 5 Jun 2001,Mohan, Ross scribbled on the wall in glitter crayon: -I AM AN IDIOT HOLD IT! that's *my* job on this list, thank you. i've worked long and hard to be the best idiot is can so i *deserve* the job.;-) -- Bill Shrek Thater Certifiable ORACLE DBA Telergy, Inc.[EMAIL PROTECTED] ~~ You gotta program like you don't need the money, You gotta compile like you'll never get hurt, You gotta run like there's nobody watching, It's gotta come from the heart if you want it to work. ~~ You have junk mail. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Mohan, Ross INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Terry Ball INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Kevin Kostyszyn INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: OT RE: SUMMARY: Thanks everyone - tru64
I'll be riding in yer basket, Mark. EG Arf, Arf. || -Original Message- || From: Mark Leith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] || Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2001 10:32 AM || To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L || Subject: RE: OT RE: SUMMARY: Thanks everyone - tru64 || || || Can I be Dorothy? :- || || -Original Message- || Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2001 02:51 || To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L || || || PLEASE I want to be the wicked witch!!! || || || 8] || || || April Wells || Corporate Systems || Amarillo Texas || || -Original Message- || Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2001 8:41 AM || To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L || || || Can I try out for a flying monkey role! :o) || || -Original Message- || Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2001 8:11 AM || To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L || || || || I wonder if we on the list made our own show of Wizard of OZ || who would be the StrawMan, TinMan, Lion, and, well...Dorothy. || || Applications are being accepted for good witch, bad witch, and || the wizard, of course. || || I've got dibs on ToTo || || || || -Original Message- || To: Mohan, Ross || Cc: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L || Sent: 6/6/2001 8:03 AM || || On Tue, 5 Jun 2001,Mohan, Ross scribbled on the wall in || glitter crayon: || || -I AM AN IDIOT || || HOLD IT! that's *my* job on this list, thank you. i've || worked long and || hard to be the best idiot is can so i *deserve* the job.;-) || || -- || Bill Shrek Thater Certifiable ORACLE DBA || Telergy, Inc.[EMAIL PROTECTED] || ~~ || You gotta program like you don't need the money, || You gotta compile like you'll never get hurt, || You gotta run like there's nobody watching, || It's gotta come from the heart if you want it to work. || ~~ || You have junk mail. || -- || Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com || -- || Author: Mohan, Ross || INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] || || Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 || San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / || Mailing Lists || || To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message || to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in || the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L || (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may || also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). || -- || Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com || -- || Author: Farnsworth, Dave || INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] || || Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 || San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / || Mailing Lists || || To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message || to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in || the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L || (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may || also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). || || || || The information contained in this e-mail is strictly || confidential and for || the intended use of the addressee only; it may also be || legally privileged || and/or price sensitive. Notice is hereby given that any || disclosure, use or || copying of the information by anyone other than the intended || recipient is || prohibited and may be illegal. If you have received this || message in error, || please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail. || || Corporate Systems, Inc. has taken every reasonable || precaution to ensure that || any attachment to this e-mail has been swept for viruses. || We accept no || liability for any damage sustained as a result of software || viruses and || advise you carry out your own virus checks before opening || any attachment. || || -- || Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com || -- || Author: April Wells || INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] || || Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 || San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / || Mailing Lists || || To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message || to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in || the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L || (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may || also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). || || -- || Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com || -- || Author: Mark Leith || INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] || || Fat City Network Services
RE: SUMMARY: Thanks everyone - tru64
My question is, if they are developing on HP-UX, why was 9i for SPARC released first? Patrice Boivin Systems Analyst (Oracle Certified DBA) Systems Admin Operations | Admin. et Exploit. des systèmes Technology Services| Services technologiques Informatics Branch | Direction de l'informatique Maritimes Region, DFO | Région des Maritimes, MPO E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2001 9:31 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L According to a technical representative at Oracle in Rochester, NY, Oracle no longer develops on Solaris. He stated that they have changed to HP-UX for development. He said the reason was instability with Solaris. Koivu, Lisa wrote: Kevin, sure I will. I just didn't want to muck up the list. Here's what I found. If anyone has any comments to add, please do. My question was about the utilities across different flavors of Unix and if they mean the same thing. vmstat, iostat are the same, however the switches may be a bit different. sar is system V only. truss you must purchase a license for. top is freeware. There is a utility called 'collect' that does something similar to top. The response regarding tru64 has been overwhelmingly positive. Some of the positive comments I received: 1. C compiler (Kernighan and Richie) is not ANSI compliant and may affect any 3rd party apps. 2. Compaq hardware used to be lagging in Oracle (Apps) patch releases. Not anymore. 3. The journaling filesystem makes mistakes like unplugging the wrong cord (oops!) a simple fix instead of hours of downtime. 4. Security - Since tru64 is not 'mainstream', e.g. marketed everywhere extremely popular, intimate knowledge for hacking the os is not widely known. So obscurity works in your favor. 5. Clustering technology is mature, solid and proven. 6. tru64 is indeed a first tier platform for Oracle. 7. Compaq's support is rated as 'very helpful'. 8. tru64 has the ability to quickly clone a filesystem. 9. OPS can reside on a filesystem on tru64. 10. Benchmarking Solaris E10K/64CPU against Compaq GS-160/16CPU favored the Compaq! WOW 11. For 9i, Oracle licensed also the TruCluster technology from Compaq. Oracle RAC (Real Application Cluster, new names for OPS) for 9i will only initially be available on tru64, truly first tier. Caveats/ Other comments: 1. Sun, relying on their own proprietary hardware, may be hurting themselves in the long run. 2. Sun is ex-pen-sive! Compaq wins in this comparison. 3. The future of Sun and Compaq seems a bit shaky right now, but they should pull through in the long run. 4. There's a bug in tru64 that doesn't allow one listener to service databases with different versions. Workaround is multiple listeners (no big deal) 5. Oracle does develop on Sun hardware. Calling OWWS for a Solaris system may net an answer quicker than running tru64. 6. Avoid the ultra sparc-2 chips from Sun. They have a problem with bad caches causing random reboots. I saw this at a previous employer. 7. If it's possible, consider IBM/AIX. IBM's sales force is highly trained in administration so you can talk real system architecture with them (not that I'm an admin or architect, I am neither). IBM's support is also top notch. Special thanks to the following people for their responses: Scott Shafer Ron Morton Lee Robertson Jerry Hess Michael Hand Murali Vallath Joe Hatchel Mike Kurt Ray Stell Darren Browett Stephen Andert Stefan Moeding And, the one and only clown Ross Mohan Like I said, I'm overwhelmed at how helpful everyone is. -Original Message- Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2001 12:02 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Lisa: How about contributing a summary of the feedback? Kevin -Original Message- Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2001 11:37 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L I just wanted to say thank you to everyone who responded to me when I asked for info on tru64 Unix. I received much more info and feedback than I ever expected! This list is extremely helpful and I am very appreciative of how willing people are to answer questions. I just hope I contribute enough to make up for how much
RE: OT RE: SUMMARY: Thanks everyone - tru64
Damn! You beat me to it! -- Anita --- April Wells [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: PLEASE I want to be the wicked witch!!! 8] April Wells Corporate Systems Amarillo Texas -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2001 8:41 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Can I try out for a flying monkey role! :o) -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2001 8:11 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L I wonder if we on the list made our own show of Wizard of OZ who would be the StrawMan, TinMan, Lion, and, well...Dorothy. Applications are being accepted for good witch, bad witch, and the wizard, of course. I've got dibs on ToTo -Original Message- To: Mohan, Ross Cc: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Sent: 6/6/2001 8:03 AM On Tue, 5 Jun 2001,Mohan, Ross scribbled on the wall in glitter crayon: -I AM AN IDIOT HOLD IT! that's *my* job on this list, thank you. i've worked long and hard to be the best idiot is can so i *deserve* the job.;-) -- Bill Shrek Thater Certifiable ORACLE DBA Telergy, Inc.[EMAIL PROTECTED] ~~ You gotta program like you don't need the money, You gotta compile like you'll never get hurt, You gotta run like there's nobody watching, It's gotta come from the heart if you want it to work. ~~ You have junk mail. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Mohan, Ross INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Farnsworth, Dave INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). The information contained in this e-mail is strictly confidential and for the intended use of the addressee only; it may also be legally privileged and/or price sensitive. Notice is hereby given that any disclosure, use or copying of the information by anyone other than the intended recipient is prohibited and may be illegal. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail. Corporate Systems, Inc. has taken every reasonable precaution to ensure that any attachment to this e-mail has been swept for viruses. We accept no liability for any damage sustained as a result of software viruses and advise you carry out your own virus checks before opening any attachment. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: April Wells INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). __ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: A. Bardeen INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send
RE: OT RE: SUMMARY: Thanks everyone - tru64
I don't really care who's what, as long as I can still play Pink Floyd's Dark Side of the Moon to it. But since we're lobbying for parts, I guess I'll audition for the Tin Man due to his lack of heart ;) Jim -- Jim Hawkins Lead SAPR/3 Oracle Database Administrator MEMC Electronic Materials, Inc. 600 Pearl Drive St. Louis, MO 633376 9636) 474-7832 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] (home) PLEASE I want to be the wicked witch!!! 8] April Wells Corporate Systems Amarillo Texas -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2001 8:41 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Can I try out for a flying monkey role! :o) -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2001 8:11 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L I wonder if we on the list made our own show of Wizard of OZ who would be the StrawMan, TinMan, Lion, and, well...Dorothy. Applications are being accepted for good witch, bad witch, and the wizard, of course. I've got dibs on ToTo -Original Message- To: Mohan, Ross Cc: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Sent: 6/6/2001 8:03 AM On Tue, 5 Jun 2001,Mohan, Ross scribbled on the wall in glitter crayon: -I AM AN IDIOT HOLD IT! that's *my* job on this list, thank you. i've worked long and hard to be the best idiot is can so i *deserve* the job.;-) -- Bill Shrek Thater Certifiable ORACLE DBA Telergy, Inc.[EMAIL PROTECTED] ~~ You gotta program like you don't need the money, You gotta compile like you'll never get hurt, You gotta run like there's nobody watching, It's gotta come from the heart if you want it to work. ~~ You have junk mail. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Mohan, Ross INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Farnsworth, Dave INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). The information contained in this e-mail is strictly confidential and for the intended use of the addressee only; it may also be legally privileged and/or price sensitive. Notice is hereby given that any disclosure, use or copying of the information by anyone other than the intended recipient is prohibited and may be illegal. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail. Corporate Systems, Inc. has taken every reasonable precaution to ensure that any attachment to this e-mail has been swept for viruses. We accept no liability for any damage sustained as a result of software viruses and advise you carry out your own virus checks before opening any attachment. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: April Wells INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Jim Hawkins Lead SAPR/3 Oracle Database Administrator MEMC Electronic Materials, Inc. 600 Pearl Drive St. Louis, MO 633376 9636) 474-7832 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] (home) -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Jim Hawkins INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists
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I thought the party line was NT after all with NT you have a party with all the nasty bugs and recoveries. Richard A Sharpe DBA Amherst Corporate Computer Sales and Solutions 40 Continental Blvd Merrimack, NH 03054 Phone: (603) 579-6180 / 800-431-8031 Fax: (603) 578-1072 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2001 11:16 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Yea, Lisa get real. Next time, don't talk to anyone or do any research. Just follow the party line, OK? :) -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2001 10:42 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L This surely does sound the Wiz of Oz, Solaris unstable ? Tru64, get real. -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2001 9:31 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L According to a technical representative at Oracle in Rochester, NY, Oracle no longer develops on Solaris. He stated that they have changed to HP-UX for development. He said the reason was instability with Solaris. Koivu, Lisa wrote: Kevin, sure I will. I just didn't want to muck up the list. Here's what I found. If anyone has any comments to add, please do. My question was about the utilities across different flavors of Unix and if they mean the same thing. vmstat, iostat are the same, however the switches may be a bit different. sar is system V only. truss you must purchase a license for. top is freeware. There is a utility called 'collect' that does something similar to top. The response regarding tru64 has been overwhelmingly positive. Some of the positive comments I received: 1. C compiler (Kernighan and Richie) is not ANSI compliant and may affect any 3rd party apps. 2. Compaq hardware used to be lagging in Oracle (Apps) patch releases. Not anymore. 3. The journaling filesystem makes mistakes like unplugging the wrong cord (oops!) a simple fix instead of hours of downtime. 4. Security - Since tru64 is not 'mainstream', e.g. marketed everywhere extremely popular, intimate knowledge for hacking the os is not widely known. So obscurity works in your favor. 5. Clustering technology is mature, solid and proven. 6. tru64 is indeed a first tier platform for Oracle. 7. Compaq's support is rated as 'very helpful'. 8. tru64 has the ability to quickly clone a filesystem. 9. OPS can reside on a filesystem on tru64. 10. Benchmarking Solaris E10K/64CPU against Compaq GS-160/16CPU favored the Compaq! WOW 11. For 9i, Oracle licensed also the TruCluster technology from Compaq. Oracle RAC (Real Application Cluster, new names for OPS) for 9i will only initially be available on tru64, truly first tier. Caveats/ Other comments: 1. Sun, relying on their own proprietary hardware, may be hurting themselves in the long run. 2. Sun is ex-pen-sive! Compaq wins in this comparison. 3. The future of Sun and Compaq seems a bit shaky right now, but they should pull through in the long run. 4. There's a bug in tru64 that doesn't allow one listener to service databases with different versions. Workaround is multiple listeners (no big deal) 5. Oracle does develop on Sun hardware. Calling OWWS for a Solaris system may net an answer quicker than running tru64. 6. Avoid the ultra sparc-2 chips from Sun. They have a problem with bad caches causing random reboots. I saw this at a previous employer. 7. If it's possible, consider IBM/AIX. IBM's sales force is highly trained in administration so you can talk real system architecture with them (not that I'm an admin or architect, I am neither). IBM's support is also top notch. Special thanks to the following people for their responses: Scott Shafer Ron Morton Lee Robertson Jerry Hess Michael Hand Murali Vallath Joe Hatchel Mike Kurt Ray Stell Darren Browett Stephen Andert Stefan Moeding And, the one and only clown Ross Mohan Like I said, I'm overwhelmed at how helpful everyone is. -Original Message- Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2001 12:02 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Lisa: How about contributing a summary of the feedback? Kevin -Original Message- Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2001 11:37 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L I just wanted to say thank you to everyone who responded to me when I asked for info on tru64 Unix. I received much more info and feedback than I ever expected! This list is extremely helpful and I am very appreciative of how willing people are to answer questions. I just hope I contribute enough to make up for how much everyone here has helped me. HELP! Have a great day, all. Lisa Koivu Oracle Database Administrator 954-935-4117 The information in the electronic mail message is Cendant confidential and may be legally privileged, it is intended solely for the addressee(s) access to this internet electronic mail message by anyone else is unauthorized. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or any action taken or omitted
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Hi Mark, Dorothy ??? Anything we should know about :-) CU Jack Mark Leith mark@cool-too To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] ls.co.ukcc: (bcc: Jack van Zanen/nlzanen1/External/MEY/NL) Sent by: Subject: RE: OT RE: SUMMARY: Thanks everyone - tru64 [EMAIL PROTECTED] om 06-06-2001 16:31 Please respond to ORACLE-L Can I be Dorothy? :- -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2001 02:51 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L PLEASE I want to be the wicked witch!!! 8] April Wells Corporate Systems Amarillo Texas -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2001 8:41 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Can I try out for a flying monkey role! :o) -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2001 8:11 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L I wonder if we on the list made our own show of Wizard of OZ who would be the StrawMan, TinMan, Lion, and, well...Dorothy. Applications are being accepted for good witch, bad witch, and the wizard, of course. I've got dibs on ToTo -Original Message- To: Mohan, Ross Cc: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Sent: 6/6/2001 8:03 AM On Tue, 5 Jun 2001,Mohan, Ross scribbled on the wall in glitter crayon: -I AM AN IDIOT HOLD IT! that's *my* job on this list, thank you. i've worked long and hard to be the best idiot is can so i *deserve* the job.;-) -- Bill Shrek Thater Certifiable ORACLE DBA Telergy, Inc.[EMAIL PROTECTED] ~~ You gotta program like you don't need the money, You gotta compile like you'll never get hurt, You gotta run like there's nobody watching, It's gotta come from the heart if you want it to work. ~~ You have junk mail. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Mohan, Ross INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Farnsworth, Dave INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). The information contained in this e-mail is strictly confidential and for the intended use of the addressee only; it may also be legally privileged and/or price sensitive. Notice is hereby given that any disclosure, use or copying of the information by anyone other than the intended recipient is prohibited and may be illegal. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail. Corporate Systems
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On Wed, Jun 06, 2001 at 06:10:57AM -0800, Robertson Lee - lerobe wrote: As I stand a towering 5 feet 7, I could always qualify as a member of the Lollipop League or was that Guild Lollipop Guild, Lullaby League, and how do I get these things out of my head...Toto too? Lee -Original Message- Sent: 06 June 2001 14:11 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L I wonder if we on the list made our own show of Wizard of OZ who would be the StrawMan, TinMan, Lion, and, well...Dorothy. Applications are being accepted for good witch, bad witch, and the wizard, of course. I've got dibs on ToTo -Original Message- To: Mohan, Ross Cc: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Sent: 6/6/2001 8:03 AM On Tue, 5 Jun 2001,Mohan, Ross scribbled on the wall in glitter crayon: -I AM AN IDIOT HOLD IT! that's *my* job on this list, thank you. i've worked long and hard to be the best idiot is can so i *deserve* the job.;-) -- Bill Shrek Thater Certifiable ORACLE DBA Telergy, Inc.[EMAIL PROTECTED] ~~ You gotta program like you don't need the money, You gotta compile like you'll never get hurt, You gotta run like there's nobody watching, It's gotta come from the heart if you want it to work. ~~ You have junk mail. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Mohan, Ross INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). The information contained in this communication is confidential, is intended only for the use of the recipient named above, and may be legally privileged. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please re-send this communication to the sender and delete the original message or any copy of it from your computer system. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Robertson Lee - lerobe INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- === Ray Stell [EMAIL PROTECTED] (540) 231-4109 KE4TJC28^D -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Ray Stell INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: OT RE: SUMMARY: Thanks everyone - tru64
There's no place like home.. There's NO place like home :) Oh ToTo.. Mark [Prancing in his pretty magical red shoes] -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2001 04:52 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L I'll be riding in yer basket, Mark. EG Arf, Arf. || -Original Message- || From: Mark Leith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] || Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2001 10:32 AM || To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L || Subject: RE: OT RE: SUMMARY: Thanks everyone - tru64 || || || Can I be Dorothy? :- || || -Original Message- || Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2001 02:51 || To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L || || || PLEASE I want to be the wicked witch!!! || || || 8] || || || April Wells || Corporate Systems || Amarillo Texas || || -Original Message- || Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2001 8:41 AM || To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L || || || Can I try out for a flying monkey role! :o) || || -Original Message- || Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2001 8:11 AM || To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L || || || || I wonder if we on the list made our own show of Wizard of OZ || who would be the StrawMan, TinMan, Lion, and, well...Dorothy. || || Applications are being accepted for good witch, bad witch, and || the wizard, of course. || || I've got dibs on ToTo || || || || -Original Message- || To: Mohan, Ross || Cc: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L || Sent: 6/6/2001 8:03 AM || || On Tue, 5 Jun 2001,Mohan, Ross scribbled on the wall in || glitter crayon: || || -I AM AN IDIOT || || HOLD IT! that's *my* job on this list, thank you. i've || worked long and || hard to be the best idiot is can so i *deserve* the job.;-) || || -- || Bill Shrek Thater Certifiable ORACLE DBA || Telergy, Inc.[EMAIL PROTECTED] || ~~ || You gotta program like you don't need the money, || You gotta compile like you'll never get hurt, || You gotta run like there's nobody watching, || It's gotta come from the heart if you want it to work. || ~~ || You have junk mail. || -- || Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com || -- || Author: Mohan, Ross || INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] || || Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 || San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / || Mailing Lists || || To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message || to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in || the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L || (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may || also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). || -- || Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com || -- || Author: Farnsworth, Dave || INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] || || Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 || San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / || Mailing Lists || || To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message || to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in || the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L || (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may || also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). || || || || The information contained in this e-mail is strictly || confidential and for || the intended use of the addressee only; it may also be || legally privileged || and/or price sensitive. Notice is hereby given that any || disclosure, use or || copying of the information by anyone other than the intended || recipient is || prohibited and may be illegal. If you have received this || message in error, || please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail. || || Corporate Systems, Inc. has taken every reasonable || precaution to ensure that || any attachment to this e-mail has been swept for viruses. || We accept no || liability for any damage sustained as a result of software || viruses and || advise you carry out your own virus checks before opening || any attachment. || || -- || Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com || -- || Author: April Wells || INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] || || Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 || San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / || Mailing Lists || || To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message || to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in || the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L || (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may || also send
RE: OT RE: SUMMARY: Thanks everyone - tru64
Well, think of it. Dorothy and Toto are the only two critters that never change personality/appearance. All the rest are morphed (by Dorothy's dream). ( I keep hoping Eric will chime in here with a golden plume reference. ) || -Original Message- || From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] || Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2001 11:58 AM || To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L || Subject: RE: OT RE: SUMMARY: Thanks everyone - tru64 || || || || Hi Mark, || || || Dorothy ??? || || Anything we should know about :-) || || CU || || || Jack || || || || || Mark Leith || || mark@cool-too To: Multiple || recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] || ls.co.ukcc: (bcc: Jack || van Zanen/nlzanen1/External/MEY/NL) || Sent by: Subject: RE: OT || RE: SUMMARY: Thanks everyone - tru64 || [EMAIL PROTECTED] || || om || || || || || || 06-06-2001 || || 16:31 || || Please respond || || to ORACLE-L || || || || || || || || || Can I be Dorothy? :- || || -Original Message- || Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2001 02:51 || To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L || || || PLEASE I want to be the wicked witch!!! || || || 8] || || || April Wells || Corporate Systems || Amarillo Texas || || -Original Message- || Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2001 8:41 AM || To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L || || || Can I try out for a flying monkey role! :o) || || -Original Message- || Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2001 8:11 AM || To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L || || || || I wonder if we on the list made our own show of Wizard of OZ || who would be the StrawMan, TinMan, Lion, and, well...Dorothy. || || Applications are being accepted for good witch, bad witch, and || the wizard, of course. || || I've got dibs on ToTo || || || || -Original Message- || To: Mohan, Ross || Cc: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L || Sent: 6/6/2001 8:03 AM || || On Tue, 5 Jun 2001,Mohan, Ross scribbled on the wall in || glitter crayon: || || -I AM AN IDIOT || || HOLD IT! that's *my* job on this list, thank you. i've || worked long and || hard to be the best idiot is can so i *deserve* the job.;-) || || -- || Bill Shrek Thater Certifiable ORACLE DBA || Telergy, Inc.[EMAIL PROTECTED] || ~~ || You gotta program like you don't need the money, || You gotta compile like you'll never get hurt, || You gotta run like there's nobody watching, || It's gotta come from the heart if you want it to work. || ~~ || You have junk mail. || -- || Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com || -- || Author: Mohan, Ross || INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] || || Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 || San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / || Mailing Lists || || To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message || to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in || the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L || (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may || also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). || -- || Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com || -- || Author: Farnsworth, Dave || INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] || || Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 || San Diego, California-- Public Internet
RE: OT RE: SUMMARY: Thanks everyone - tru64
The funny thing about where this thread is going is that i just got called this morning and told there is some small chance i will be whisked off to Kansas to solve some problem. :-| Go figure || -Original Message- || From: Mark Leith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] || Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2001 2:08 PM || To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L || Subject: RE: OT RE: SUMMARY: Thanks everyone - tru64 || || || It's the shoes :) || || || -Original Message- || [EMAIL PROTECTED] || Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2001 04:58 || To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L || || || || Hi Mark, || || || Dorothy ??? || || Anything we should know about :-) || || CU || || || Jack || || || || Mark Leith || mark@cool-too To: Multiple || recipients of list || ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] || ls.co.ukcc: (bcc: Jack van || Zanen/nlzanen1/External/MEY/NL) || Sent by: Subject: RE: OT || RE: SUMMARY: || Thanks everyone - tru64 || [EMAIL PROTECTED] || om || || || 06-06-2001 || 16:31 || Please respond || to ORACLE-L || || || || || || Can I be Dorothy? :- || || -Original Message- || Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2001 02:51 || To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L || || || PLEASE I want to be the wicked witch!!! || || || 8] || || || April Wells || Corporate Systems || Amarillo Texas || || -Original Message- || Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2001 8:41 AM || To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L || || || Can I try out for a flying monkey role! :o) || || -Original Message- || Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2001 8:11 AM || To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L || || || || I wonder if we on the list made our own show of Wizard of OZ || who would be the StrawMan, TinMan, Lion, and, well...Dorothy. || || Applications are being accepted for good witch, bad witch, and || the wizard, of course. || || I've got dibs on ToTo || || || || -Original Message- || To: Mohan, Ross || Cc: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L || Sent: 6/6/2001 8:03 AM || || On Tue, 5 Jun 2001,Mohan, Ross scribbled on the wall in || glitter crayon: || || -I AM AN IDIOT || || HOLD IT! that's *my* job on this list, thank you. i've || worked long and || hard to be the best idiot is can so i *deserve* the job.;-) || || -- || Bill Shrek Thater Certifiable ORACLE DBA || Telergy, Inc.[EMAIL PROTECTED] || ~~ || You gotta program like you don't need the money, || You gotta compile like you'll never get hurt, || You gotta run like there's nobody watching, || It's gotta come from the heart if you want it to work. || ~~ || You have junk mail. || -- || Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com || -- || Author: Mohan, Ross || INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] || || Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 || San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / || Mailing Lists || || To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message || to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in || the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L || (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may || also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). || -- || Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com || -- || Author: Farnsworth, Dave || INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] || || Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 || San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / || Mailing Lists || || To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message || to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in || the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L || (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may || also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). || || || || The information contained in this e-mail is strictly || confidential and for || the intended use of the addressee only; it may also be || legally privileged || and/or price sensitive. Notice is hereby given that any || disclosure, use or || copying of the information by anyone other than the intended || recipient is || prohibited and may be illegal. If you have received this || message in error, || please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail. || || Corporate Systems, Inc. has taken every reasonable || precaution to ensure || that || any attachment to this e-mail has been swept for viruses. || We accept
RE: OT RE: SUMMARY: Thanks everyone - tru64
On Wed, 6 Jun 2001,A. Bardeen scribbled on the wall in glitter crayon: -Damn! You beat me to it! - --- Anita u... i have a *REAL* hard time picturing you as the wicked witch, now glinda on the other hand but i know, she's not as fun.;-) -- Bill Shrek Thater Certifiable ORACLE DBA Telergy, Inc.[EMAIL PROTECTED] ~~ You gotta program like you don't need the money, You gotta compile like you'll never get hurt, You gotta run like there's nobody watching, It's gotta come from the heart if you want it to work. ~~ Everything should be made as simple as possible...but not simpler. - Albert Einstein -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Thater, William INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
OT RE: SUMMARY: Thanks everyone - tru64
Nope. Here, for future reference, is the party line: NT is bad, always fails, never works, can't be fixed, doesn't scale, is too expensive, isn't first tier, is unsupportable, will never get better, never has improved, and it's all Microsoft's fault. Unix ( of any type ) is perfect, extendable, solid, reliable, runs for several decades without maintenance, SAs, DBAs, or even hardware, and you can even get it for free sometimes. Now, about XenixEG || -Original Message- || From: Sharpe, Richard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] || Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2001 12:56 PM || To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L || Subject: RE: SUMMARY: Thanks everyone - tru64 || || || I thought the party line was NT after all with NT you have || a party with || all the nasty bugs and recoveries. || || Richard A Sharpe || DBA || Amherst Corporate Computer Sales and Solutions || 40 Continental Blvd || Merrimack, NH 03054 || Phone: (603) 579-6180 / 800-431-8031 || Fax: (603) 578-1072 || Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] || || -Original Message- || Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2001 11:16 AM || To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L || || Yea, Lisa get real. || || Next time, don't talk to anyone or do any research. || Just follow the party line, OK? || || :) || || -Original Message- || Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2001 10:42 AM || To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L || || || || This surely does sound the Wiz of Oz, Solaris unstable ? || Tru64, get real. || || || || || || -Original Message- || Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2001 9:31 AM || To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L || || || || According to a technical representative at Oracle in || Rochester, NY, Oracle || no longer develops on Solaris. He stated that they have || changed to HP-UX || for development. He said the reason was instability with Solaris. || || Koivu, Lisa wrote: || || || || Kevin, sure I will. I just didn't want to muck up the list. || || Here's what I found. If anyone has any comments to add, please do. || || My question was about the utilities across different flavors || of Unix and if || they mean the same thing. vmstat, iostat are the same, || however the switches || may be a bit different. sar is system V only. truss you || must purchase a || license for. top is freeware. There is a utility called || 'collect' that || does something similar to top. || || The response regarding tru64 has been overwhelmingly || positive. Some of the || positive comments I received: || || 1. C compiler (Kernighan and Richie) is not ANSI compliant || and may affect || any 3rd party apps. || 2. Compaq hardware used to be lagging in Oracle (Apps) || patch releases. Not || anymore. || 3. The journaling filesystem makes mistakes like unplugging || the wrong cord || (oops!) a simple fix instead of hours of downtime. || || 4. Security - Since tru64 is not 'mainstream', e.g. || marketed everywhere || extremely popular, intimate knowledge for hacking the os is || not widely || known. So obscurity works in your favor. || || 5. Clustering technology is mature, solid and proven. || 6. tru64 is indeed a first tier platform for Oracle. || 7. Compaq's support is rated as 'very helpful'. || 8. tru64 has the ability to quickly clone a filesystem. || 9. OPS can reside on a filesystem on tru64. || 10. Benchmarking Solaris E10K/64CPU against Compaq || GS-160/16CPU favored the || Compaq! WOW || 11. For 9i, Oracle licensed also the TruCluster technology || from Compaq. || Oracle RAC (Real Application Cluster, new names for OPS) for || 9i will only || initially be available on tru64, truly first tier. || || Caveats/ Other comments: || || 1. Sun, relying on their own proprietary hardware, may be hurting || themselves in the long run. || 2. Sun is ex-pen-sive! Compaq wins in this comparison. || 3. The future of Sun and Compaq seems a bit shaky right || now, but they || should pull through in the long run. || 4. There's a bug in tru64 that doesn't allow one listener to service || databases with different versions. Workaround is multiple || listeners (no big || deal) || || 5. Oracle does develop on Sun hardware. Calling OWWS for a || Solaris system || may net an answer quicker than running tru64. || || 6. Avoid the ultra sparc-2 chips from Sun. They have a || problem with bad || caches causing random reboots. I saw this at a previous employer. || || 7. If it's possible, consider IBM/AIX. IBM's sales force || is highly trained || in administration so you can talk real system architecture || with them (not || that I'm an admin or architect, I am neither). IBM's || support is also top || notch. || || Special thanks to the following people for their responses: || || Scott Shafer || Ron Morton || Lee Robertson || Jerry Hess || Michael Hand || Murali Vallath || Joe Hatchel || Mike Kurt || Ray Stell || Darren Browett
RE: OT RE: SUMMARY: Thanks everyone - tru64
On Wed, 6 Jun 2001,Mohan, Ross scribbled on the wall in glitter crayon: -The funny thing about where this thread is -going is that i just got called this morning -and told there is some small chance i will be -whisked off to Kansas to solve some problem. -:-| Go figure ToTo, I don't think we're in kansas anymore.;-) -- Bill Shrek Thater Certifiable ORACLE DBA Telergy, Inc.[EMAIL PROTECTED] ~~ You gotta program like you don't need the money, You gotta compile like you'll never get hurt, You gotta run like there's nobody watching, It's gotta come from the heart if you want it to work. ~~ Everything should be made as simple as possible...but not simpler. - Albert Einstein -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Thater, William INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: OT RE: SUMMARY: Thanks everyone - tru64
It's the shoes :) -Original Message- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2001 04:58 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Hi Mark, Dorothy ??? Anything we should know about :-) CU Jack Mark Leith mark@cool-too To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] ls.co.ukcc: (bcc: Jack van Zanen/nlzanen1/External/MEY/NL) Sent by: Subject: RE: OT RE: SUMMARY: Thanks everyone - tru64 [EMAIL PROTECTED] om 06-06-2001 16:31 Please respond to ORACLE-L Can I be Dorothy? :- -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2001 02:51 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L PLEASE I want to be the wicked witch!!! 8] April Wells Corporate Systems Amarillo Texas -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2001 8:41 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Can I try out for a flying monkey role! :o) -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2001 8:11 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L I wonder if we on the list made our own show of Wizard of OZ who would be the StrawMan, TinMan, Lion, and, well...Dorothy. Applications are being accepted for good witch, bad witch, and the wizard, of course. I've got dibs on ToTo -Original Message- To: Mohan, Ross Cc: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Sent: 6/6/2001 8:03 AM On Tue, 5 Jun 2001,Mohan, Ross scribbled on the wall in glitter crayon: -I AM AN IDIOT HOLD IT! that's *my* job on this list, thank you. i've worked long and hard to be the best idiot is can so i *deserve* the job.;-) -- Bill Shrek Thater Certifiable ORACLE DBA Telergy, Inc.[EMAIL PROTECTED] ~~ You gotta program like you don't need the money, You gotta compile like you'll never get hurt, You gotta run like there's nobody watching, It's gotta come from the heart if you want it to work. ~~ You have junk mail. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Mohan, Ross INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Farnsworth, Dave INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). The information contained in this e-mail is strictly confidential and for the intended use of the addressee only; it may also be legally privileged and/or price sensitive. Notice is hereby given that any disclosure, use or copying of the information by anyone other than the intended recipient is prohibited and may be illegal. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail. Corporate Systems, Inc. has taken every reasonable precaution to ensure that any attachment to this e-mail has been swept for viruses. We accept no liability for any damage sustained as a result of software viruses and advise you carry out your own virus checks before opening any attachment. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: April Wells INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Mark Leith INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network
RE: OT RE: SUMMARY: Thanks everyone - tru64
something about a house twitching ? The funny thing about where this thread is going is that i just got called this morning and told there is some small chance i will be whisked off to Kansas to solve some problem. :-| Go figure || -Original Message- || From: Mark Leith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] || Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2001 2:08 PM || To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L || Subject: RE: OT RE: SUMMARY: Thanks everyone - tru64 || || || It's the shoes :) || || || -Original Message- || [EMAIL PROTECTED] || Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2001 04:58 || To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L || || || || Hi Mark, || || || Dorothy ??? || || Anything we should know about :-) || || CU || || || Jack || || || || Mark Leith || mark@cool-too To: Multiple || recipients of list || ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] || ls.co.ukcc: (bcc: Jack van || Zanen/nlzanen1/External/MEY/NL) || Sent by: Subject: RE: OT || RE: SUMMARY: || Thanks everyone - tru64 || [EMAIL PROTECTED] || om || || || 06-06-2001 || 16:31 || Please respond || to ORACLE-L || || || || || || Can I be Dorothy? :- || || -Original Message- || Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2001 02:51 || To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L || || || PLEASE I want to be the wicked witch!!! || || || 8] || || || April Wells || Corporate Systems || Amarillo Texas || || -Original Message- || Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2001 8:41 AM || To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L || || || Can I try out for a flying monkey role! :o) || || -Original Message- || Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2001 8:11 AM || To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L || || || || I wonder if we on the list made our own show of Wizard of OZ || who would be the StrawMan, TinMan, Lion, and, well...Dorothy. || || Applications are being accepted for good witch, bad witch, and || the wizard, of course. || || I've got dibs on ToTo || || || || -Original Message- || To: Mohan, Ross || Cc: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L || Sent: 6/6/2001 8:03 AM || || On Tue, 5 Jun 2001,Mohan, Ross scribbled on the wall in || glitter crayon: || || -I AM AN IDIOT || || HOLD IT! that's *my* job on this list, thank you. i've || worked long and || hard to be the best idiot is can so i *deserve* the job.;-) || || -- || Bill Shrek Thater Certifiable ORACLE DBA || Telergy, Inc.[EMAIL PROTECTED] || ~~ || You gotta program like you don't need the money, || You gotta compile like you'll never get hurt, || You gotta run like there's nobody watching, || It's gotta come from the heart if you want it to work. || ~~ || You have junk mail. || -- || Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com || -- || Author: Mohan, Ross || INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] || || Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 || San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / || Mailing Lists || || To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message || to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in || the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L || (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may || also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). || -- || Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com || -- || Author: Farnsworth, Dave || INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] || || Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 || San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / || Mailing Lists || || To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message || to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in || the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L || (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may || also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). || || || || The information contained in this e-mail is strictly || confidential and for || the intended use of the addressee only; it may also be || legally privileged || and/or price sensitive. Notice is hereby given that any || disclosure, use or || copying of the information by anyone other than the intended || recipient is || prohibited and may be illegal. If you have received this || message in error, || please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail. || || Corporate Systems, Inc. has taken every reasonable || precaution to ensure || that || any attachment to this e-mail has been swept
RE: OT RE: SUMMARY: Thanks everyone - tru64
Mark, it's going to be an odd beer we have, I gather. :-O || -Original Message- || From: Mark Leith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] || Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2001 1:41 PM || To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L || Subject: RE: OT RE: SUMMARY: Thanks everyone - tru64 || || || There's no place like home.. There's NO place like home :) || || Oh ToTo.. || || Mark [Prancing in his pretty magical red shoes] || || -Original Message- || Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2001 04:52 || To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L || || || I'll be riding in yer basket, Mark. || || EG || || || Arf, Arf. || || || -Original Message- || || From: Mark Leith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] || || Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2001 10:32 AM || || To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L || || Subject: RE: OT RE: SUMMARY: Thanks everyone - tru64 || || || || || || Can I be Dorothy? :- || || || || -Original Message- || || Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2001 02:51 || || To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L || || || || || || PLEASE I want to be the wicked witch!!! || || || || || || 8] || || || || || || April Wells || || Corporate Systems || || Amarillo Texas || || || || -Original Message- || || Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2001 8:41 AM || || To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L || || || || || || Can I try out for a flying monkey role! :o) || || || || -Original Message- || || Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2001 8:11 AM || || To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L || || || || || || || || I wonder if we on the list made our own show of Wizard of OZ || || who would be the StrawMan, TinMan, Lion, and, well...Dorothy. || || || || Applications are being accepted for good witch, bad witch, and || || the wizard, of course. || || || || I've got dibs on ToTo || || || || || || || || -Original Message- || || To: Mohan, Ross || || Cc: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L || || Sent: 6/6/2001 8:03 AM || || || || On Tue, 5 Jun 2001,Mohan, Ross scribbled on the wall in || || glitter crayon: || || || || -I AM AN IDIOT || || || || HOLD IT! that's *my* job on this list, thank you. i've || || worked long and || || hard to be the best idiot is can so i *deserve* the job.;-) || || || || -- || || Bill Shrek Thater Certifiable ORACLE DBA || || Telergy, Inc.[EMAIL PROTECTED] || || ~~ || || You gotta program like you don't need the money, || || You gotta compile like you'll never get hurt, || || You gotta run like there's nobody watching, || || It's gotta come from the heart if you want it to work. || || ~~ || || You have junk mail. || || -- || || Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com || || -- || || Author: Mohan, Ross || || INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] || || || || Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: || (858) 538-5051 || || San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / || || Mailing Lists || || || || || To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message || || to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of || 'ListGuru') and in || || the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L || || (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed || from). You may || || also send the HELP command for other information (like || subscribing). || || -- || || Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com || || -- || || Author: Farnsworth, Dave || || INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] || || || || Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: || (858) 538-5051 || || San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / || || Mailing Lists || || || || || To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message || || to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of || 'ListGuru') and in || || the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L || || (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed || from). You may || || also send the HELP command for other information (like || subscribing). || || || || || || || || The information contained in this e-mail is strictly || || confidential and for || || the intended use of the addressee only; it may also be || || legally privileged || || and/or price sensitive. Notice is hereby given that any || || disclosure, use or || || copying of the information by anyone other than the intended || || recipient is || || prohibited and may be illegal. If you have received this || || message in error, || || please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail. || || || || Corporate Systems, Inc. has taken every reasonable || || precaution to ensure that || || any attachment to this e-mail has been swept for viruses. || || We accept no || || liability for any damage sustained as a result
RE: OT RE: SUMMARY: Thanks everyone - tru64
Actually I'm torn... I REALLY want to be the wicked witch... but I just feel more like Princess Fiona (Shrek)... -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2001 12:07 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Damn! You beat me to it! -- Anita --- April Wells [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: PLEASE I want to be the wicked witch!!! 8] April Wells Corporate Systems Amarillo Texas -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2001 8:41 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Can I try out for a flying monkey role! :o) -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2001 8:11 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L I wonder if we on the list made our own show of Wizard of OZ who would be the StrawMan, TinMan, Lion, and, well...Dorothy. Applications are being accepted for good witch, bad witch, and the wizard, of course. I've got dibs on ToTo -Original Message- To: Mohan, Ross Cc: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Sent: 6/6/2001 8:03 AM On Tue, 5 Jun 2001,Mohan, Ross scribbled on the wall in glitter crayon: -I AM AN IDIOT HOLD IT! that's *my* job on this list, thank you. i've worked long and hard to be the best idiot is can so i *deserve* the job.;-) -- Bill Shrek Thater Certifiable ORACLE DBA Telergy, Inc.[EMAIL PROTECTED] ~~ You gotta program like you don't need the money, You gotta compile like you'll never get hurt, You gotta run like there's nobody watching, It's gotta come from the heart if you want it to work. ~~ You have junk mail. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Mohan, Ross INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Farnsworth, Dave INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). The information contained in this e-mail is strictly confidential and for the intended use of the addressee only; it may also be legally privileged and/or price sensitive. Notice is hereby given that any disclosure, use or copying of the information by anyone other than the intended recipient is prohibited and may be illegal. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail. Corporate Systems, Inc. has taken every reasonable precaution to ensure that any attachment to this e-mail has been swept for viruses. We accept no liability for any damage sustained as a result of software viruses and advise you carry out your own virus checks before opening any attachment. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: April Wells INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). __ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: A. Bardeen INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing
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Don't know, but I do keep a clip of the Scarecrow song on my desktop to play whenever users/developers start getting to me. Henry -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2001 1:02 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L On Wed, Jun 06, 2001 at 06:10:57AM -0800, Robertson Lee - lerobe wrote: As I stand a towering 5 feet 7, I could always qualify as a member of the Lollipop League or was that Guild Lollipop Guild, Lullaby League, and how do I get these things out of my head...Toto too? Lee -Original Message- Sent: 06 June 2001 14:11 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L I wonder if we on the list made our own show of Wizard of OZ who would be the StrawMan, TinMan, Lion, and, well...Dorothy. Applications are being accepted for good witch, bad witch, and the wizard, of course. I've got dibs on ToTo -Original Message- To: Mohan, Ross Cc: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Sent: 6/6/2001 8:03 AM On Tue, 5 Jun 2001,Mohan, Ross scribbled on the wall in glitter crayon: -I AM AN IDIOT HOLD IT! that's *my* job on this list, thank you. i've worked long and hard to be the best idiot is can so i *deserve* the job.;-) -- Bill Shrek Thater Certifiable ORACLE DBA Telergy, Inc.[EMAIL PROTECTED] ~~ You gotta program like you don't need the money, You gotta compile like you'll never get hurt, You gotta run like there's nobody watching, It's gotta come from the heart if you want it to work. ~~ You have junk mail. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Mohan, Ross INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). The information contained in this communication is confidential, is intended only for the use of the recipient named above, and may be legally privileged. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please re-send this communication to the sender and delete the original message or any copy of it from your computer system. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Robertson Lee - lerobe INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- === Ray Stell [EMAIL PROTECTED] (540) 231-4109 KE4TJC28^D -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Ray Stell INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Henry Poras INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: OT RE: SUMMARY: Thanks everyone - tru64
That's funny, 'cause if you ask the developers, I'm the stupid dunkey (Eddie Murphy's donkey character). Is that why they keep saying I'm an ass? Jim Actually I'm torn... I REALLY want to be the wicked witch... but I just feel more like Princess Fiona (Shrek)... -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2001 12:07 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Damn! You beat me to it! -- Anita --- April Wells [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: PLEASE I want to be the wicked witch!!! 8] April Wells Corporate Systems Amarillo Texas -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2001 8:41 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Can I try out for a flying monkey role! :o) -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2001 8:11 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L I wonder if we on the list made our own show of Wizard of OZ who would be the StrawMan, TinMan, Lion, and, well...Dorothy. Applications are being accepted for good witch, bad witch, and the wizard, of course. I've got dibs on ToTo -Original Message- To: Mohan, Ross Cc: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Sent: 6/6/2001 8:03 AM On Tue, 5 Jun 2001,Mohan, Ross scribbled on the wall in glitter crayon: -I AM AN IDIOT HOLD IT! that's *my* job on this list, thank you. i've worked long and hard to be the best idiot is can so i *deserve* the job.;-) -- Bill Shrek Thater Certifiable ORACLE DBA Telergy, Inc.[EMAIL PROTECTED] ~~ You gotta program like you don't need the money, You gotta compile like you'll never get hurt, You gotta run like there's nobody watching, It's gotta come from the heart if you want it to work. ~~ You have junk mail. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Mohan, Ross INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Farnsworth, Dave INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). The information contained in this e-mail is strictly confidential and for the intended use of the addressee only; it may also be legally privileged and/or price sensitive. Notice is hereby given that any disclosure, use or copying of the information by anyone other than the intended recipient is prohibited and may be illegal. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail. Corporate Systems, Inc. has taken every reasonable precaution to ensure that any attachment to this e-mail has been swept for viruses. We accept no liability for any damage sustained as a result of software viruses and advise you carry out your own virus checks before opening any attachment. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: April Wells INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). __ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ -- Please see the official
RE: OT RE: SUMMARY: Thanks everyone - tru64
Oh YEAH!! Well Unix BLOWSSS Oh man!! Whooo hoo... .. (running for cover to M1A1 Abrams!!!) -Original Message- Beilstein Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2001 2:36 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L I agree with what you say, I couldn't have said it better.Oh were you being ironic? [EMAIL PROTECTED] 06/06/01 02:02PM Nope. Here, for future reference, is the party line: NT is bad, always fails, never works, can't be fixed, doesn't scale, is too expensive, isn't first tier, is unsupportable, will never get better, never has improved, and it's all Microsoft's fault. Unix ( of any type ) is perfect, extendable, solid, reliable, runs for several decades without maintenance, SAs, DBAs, or even hardware, and you can even get it for free sometimes. Now, about XenixEG || -Original Message- || From: Sharpe, Richard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] || Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2001 12:56 PM || To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L || Subject: RE: SUMMARY: Thanks everyone - tru64 || || || I thought the party line was NT after all with NT you have || a party with || all the nasty bugs and recoveries. || || Richard A Sharpe || DBA || Amherst Corporate Computer Sales and Solutions || 40 Continental Blvd || Merrimack, NH 03054 || Phone: (603) 579-6180 / 800-431-8031 || Fax: (603) 578-1072 || Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] || || -Original Message- || Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2001 11:16 AM || To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L || || Yea, Lisa get real. || || Next time, don't talk to anyone or do any research. || Just follow the party line, OK? || || :) || || -Original Message- || Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2001 10:42 AM || To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L || || || || This surely does sound the Wiz of Oz, Solaris unstable ? || Tru64, get real. || || || || || || -Original Message- || Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2001 9:31 AM || To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L || || || || According to a technical representative at Oracle in || Rochester, NY, Oracle || no longer develops on Solaris. He stated that they have || changed to HP-UX || for development. He said the reason was instability with Solaris. || || Koivu, Lisa wrote: || || || || Kevin, sure I will. I just didn't want to muck up the list. || || Here's what I found. If anyone has any comments to add, please do. || || My question was about the utilities across different flavors || of Unix and if || they mean the same thing. vmstat, iostat are the same, || however the switches || may be a bit different. sar is system V only. truss you || must purchase a || license for. top is freeware. There is a utility called || 'collect' that || does something similar to top. || || The response regarding tru64 has been overwhelmingly || positive. Some of the || positive comments I received: || || 1. C compiler (Kernighan and Richie) is not ANSI compliant || and may affect || any 3rd party apps. || 2. Compaq hardware used to be lagging in Oracle (Apps) || patch releases. Not || anymore. || 3. The journaling filesystem makes mistakes like unplugging || the wrong cord || (oops!) a simple fix instead of hours of downtime. || || 4. Security - Since tru64 is not 'mainstream', e.g. || marketed everywhere || extremely popular, intimate knowledge for hacking the os is || not widely || known. So obscurity works in your favor. || || 5. Clustering technology is mature, solid and proven. || 6. tru64 is indeed a first tier platform for Oracle. || 7. Compaq's support is rated as 'very helpful'. || 8. tru64 has the ability to quickly clone a filesystem. || 9. OPS can reside on a filesystem on tru64. || 10. Benchmarking Solaris E10K/64CPU against Compaq || GS-160/16CPU favored the || Compaq! WOW || 11. For 9i, Oracle licensed also the TruCluster technology || from Compaq. || Oracle RAC (Real Application Cluster, new names for OPS) for || 9i will only || initially be available on tru64, truly first tier. || || Caveats/ Other comments: || || 1. Sun, relying on their own proprietary hardware, may be hurting || themselves in the long run. || 2. Sun is ex-pen-sive! Compaq wins in this comparison. || 3. The future of Sun and Compaq seems a bit shaky right || now, but they || should pull through in the long run. || 4. There's a bug in tru64 that doesn't allow one listener to service || databases with different versions. Workaround is multiple || listeners (no big || deal) || || 5. Oracle does develop on Sun hardware. Calling OWWS for a || Solaris system || may net an answer quicker than running tru64. || || 6. Avoid the ultra sparc-2 chips from Sun. They have a || problem with bad || caches causing random reboots. I saw this at a previous employer. || || 7. If it's possible, consider IBM/AIX. IBM's sales force || is highly trained || in administration so you
RE: OT RE: SUMMARY: Thanks everyone - tru64
Personally I think it would be a GREAT LAUGH.. There are a select few people I have actually met from this list - and I would love to meet more.. -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2001 07:36 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Mark, it's going to be an odd beer we have, I gather. :-O || -Original Message- || From: Mark Leith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] || Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2001 1:41 PM || To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L || Subject: RE: OT RE: SUMMARY: Thanks everyone - tru64 || || || There's no place like home.. There's NO place like home :) || || Oh ToTo.. || || Mark [Prancing in his pretty magical red shoes] || || -Original Message- || Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2001 04:52 || To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L || || || I'll be riding in yer basket, Mark. || || EG || || || Arf, Arf. || || || -Original Message- || || From: Mark Leith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] || || Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2001 10:32 AM || || To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L || || Subject: RE: OT RE: SUMMARY: Thanks everyone - tru64 || || || || || || Can I be Dorothy? :- || || || || -Original Message- || || Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2001 02:51 || || To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L || || || || || || PLEASE I want to be the wicked witch!!! || || || || || || 8] || || || || || || April Wells || || Corporate Systems || || Amarillo Texas || || || || -Original Message- || || Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2001 8:41 AM || || To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L || || || || || || Can I try out for a flying monkey role! :o) || || || || -Original Message- || || Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2001 8:11 AM || || To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L || || || || || || || || I wonder if we on the list made our own show of Wizard of OZ || || who would be the StrawMan, TinMan, Lion, and, well...Dorothy. || || || || Applications are being accepted for good witch, bad witch, and || || the wizard, of course. || || || || I've got dibs on ToTo || || || || || || || || -Original Message- || || To: Mohan, Ross || || Cc: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L || || Sent: 6/6/2001 8:03 AM || || || || On Tue, 5 Jun 2001,Mohan, Ross scribbled on the wall in || || glitter crayon: || || || || -I AM AN IDIOT || || || || HOLD IT! that's *my* job on this list, thank you. i've || || worked long and || || hard to be the best idiot is can so i *deserve* the job.;-) || || || || -- || || Bill Shrek Thater Certifiable ORACLE DBA || || Telergy, Inc.[EMAIL PROTECTED] || || ~~ || || You gotta program like you don't need the money, || || You gotta compile like you'll never get hurt, || || You gotta run like there's nobody watching, || || It's gotta come from the heart if you want it to work. || || ~~ || || You have junk mail. || || -- || || Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com || || -- || || Author: Mohan, Ross || || INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] || || || || Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: || (858) 538-5051 || || San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / || || Mailing Lists || || || || || To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message || || to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of || 'ListGuru') and in || || the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L || || (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed || from). You may || || also send the HELP command for other information (like || subscribing). || || -- || || Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com || || -- || || Author: Farnsworth, Dave || || INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] || || || || Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: || (858) 538-5051 || || San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / || || Mailing Lists || || || || || To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message || || to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of || 'ListGuru') and in || || the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L || || (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed || from). You may || || also send the HELP command for other information (like || subscribing). || || || || || || || || The information contained in this e-mail is strictly || || confidential and for || || the intended use of the addressee only; it may also be || || legally privileged || || and/or price sensitive. Notice is hereby given that any || || disclosure, use or || || copying of the information by anyone other than the intended || || recipient is || || prohibited and may be illegal. If you have received this || || message in error, || || please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail. || || || || Corporate Systems, Inc. has taken every
RE: OT RE: SUMMARY: Thanks everyone - tru64
On Wed, 6 Jun 2001,Mark Leith scribbled on the wall in glitter crayon: -Personally I think it would be a GREAT LAUGH.. There are a select few people -I have actually met from this list - and I would love to meet more.. be careful what you wish for, it just may come true.;-) -- Bill Shrek Thater Certifiable ORACLE DBA Telergy, Inc.[EMAIL PROTECTED] ~~ You gotta program like you don't need the money, You gotta compile like you'll never get hurt, You gotta run like there's nobody watching, It's gotta come from the heart if you want it to work. ~~ Everything should be made as simple as possible...but not simpler. - Albert Einstein -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Thater, William INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: OT RE: SUMMARY: Thanks everyone - tru64
Oh, no doubt! I fully intend to get into touch in the somewhat unlikely event i fly over the pond. it's the picture of one me doing my Hannibal Lector impersonation in a ponytail and a speedo, and you prancing around in a pair of red heels as we have a man's beer somewhere in Dublin that has my PTSD tic flaring up. (Amen on the listies...a eclectic, fun mob, to be sure) || -Original Message- || From: Mark Leith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] || Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2001 4:16 PM || To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L || Subject: RE: OT RE: SUMMARY: Thanks everyone - tru64 || || || Personally I think it would be a GREAT LAUGH.. There are a || select few people || I have actually met from this list - and I would love to meet more.. || || -Original Message- || Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2001 07:36 || To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L || || || Mark, it's going to be an odd beer we have, I gather. || || :-O || || || -Original Message- || || From: Mark Leith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] || || Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2001 1:41 PM || || To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L || || Subject: RE: OT RE: SUMMARY: Thanks everyone - tru64 || || || || || || There's no place like home.. There's NO place like home :) || || || || Oh ToTo.. || || || || Mark [Prancing in his pretty magical red shoes] || || || || -Original Message- || || Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2001 04:52 || || To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L || || || || || || I'll be riding in yer basket, Mark. || || || || EG || || || || || || Arf, Arf. || || || || || -Original Message- || || || From: Mark Leith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] || || || Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2001 10:32 AM || || || To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L || || || Subject: RE: OT RE: SUMMARY: Thanks everyone - tru64 || || || || || || || || || Can I be Dorothy? :- || || || || || || -Original Message- || || || Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2001 02:51 || || || To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L || || || || || || || || || PLEASE I want to be the wicked witch!!! || || || || || || || || || 8] || || || || || || || || || April Wells || || || Corporate Systems || || || Amarillo Texas || || || || || || -Original Message- || || || Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2001 8:41 AM || || || To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L || || || || || || || || || Can I try out for a flying monkey role! :o) || || || || || || -Original Message- || || || Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2001 8:11 AM || || || To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L || || || || || || || || || || || || I wonder if we on the list made our own show of Wizard of OZ || || || who would be the StrawMan, TinMan, Lion, and, well...Dorothy. || || || || || || Applications are being accepted for good witch, bad witch, and || || || the wizard, of course. || || || || || || I've got dibs on ToTo || || || || || || || || || || || || -Original Message- || || || To: Mohan, Ross || || || Cc: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L || || || Sent: 6/6/2001 8:03 AM || || || || || || On Tue, 5 Jun 2001,Mohan, Ross scribbled on the wall in || || || glitter crayon: || || || || || || -I AM AN IDIOT || || || || || || HOLD IT! that's *my* job on this list, thank you. i've || || || worked long and || || || hard to be the best idiot is can so i *deserve* the job.;-) || || || || || || -- || || || Bill Shrek Thater Certifiable ORACLE DBA || || || Telergy, Inc.[EMAIL PROTECTED] || || || ~~ || || || You gotta program like you don't need the money, || || || You gotta compile like you'll never get hurt, || || || You gotta run like there's nobody watching, || || || It's gotta come from the heart if you want it to work. || || || ~~ || || || You have junk mail. || || || -- || || || Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com || || || -- || || || Author: Mohan, Ross || || || INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] || || || || || || Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: || || (858) 538-5051 || || || San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / || || || Mailing Lists || || || || || || || || || To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an || E-Mail message || || || to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of || || 'ListGuru') and in || || || the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L || || || (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed || || from). You may || || || also send the HELP command for other information (like || || subscribing). || || || -- || || || Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com || || || -- || || || Author: Farnsworth, Dave || || || INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] || || || || || || Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: || || (858) 538-5051 || || || San Diego, California-- Public Internet access
RE: OT RE: SUMMARY: Thanks everyone - tru64
LMGDAO!! I am actually just reading Hannibal right now!! Damn u a nasssty man Dr. Lecter!! -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2001 09:53 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Oh, no doubt! I fully intend to get into touch in the somewhat unlikely event i fly over the pond. it's the picture of one me doing my Hannibal Lector impersonation in a ponytail and a speedo, and you prancing around in a pair of red heels as we have a man's beer somewhere in Dublin that has my PTSD tic flaring up. (Amen on the listies...a eclectic, fun mob, to be sure) || -Original Message- || From: Mark Leith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] || Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2001 4:16 PM || To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L || Subject: RE: OT RE: SUMMARY: Thanks everyone - tru64 || || || Personally I think it would be a GREAT LAUGH.. There are a || select few people || I have actually met from this list - and I would love to meet more.. || || -Original Message- || Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2001 07:36 || To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L || || || Mark, it's going to be an odd beer we have, I gather. || || :-O || || || -Original Message- || || From: Mark Leith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] || || Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2001 1:41 PM || || To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L || || Subject: RE: OT RE: SUMMARY: Thanks everyone - tru64 || || || || || || There's no place like home.. There's NO place like home :) || || || || Oh ToTo.. || || || || Mark [Prancing in his pretty magical red shoes] || || || || -Original Message- || || Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2001 04:52 || || To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L || || || || || || I'll be riding in yer basket, Mark. || || || || EG || || || || || || Arf, Arf. || || || || || -Original Message- || || || From: Mark Leith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] || || || Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2001 10:32 AM || || || To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L || || || Subject: RE: OT RE: SUMMARY: Thanks everyone - tru64 || || || || || || || || || Can I be Dorothy? :- || || || || || || -Original Message- || || || Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2001 02:51 || || || To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L || || || || || || || || || PLEASE I want to be the wicked witch!!! || || || || || || || || || 8] || || || || || || || || || April Wells || || || Corporate Systems || || || Amarillo Texas || || || || || || -Original Message- || || || Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2001 8:41 AM || || || To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L || || || || || || || || || Can I try out for a flying monkey role! :o) || || || || || || -Original Message- || || || Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2001 8:11 AM || || || To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L || || || || || || || || || || || || I wonder if we on the list made our own show of Wizard of OZ || || || who would be the StrawMan, TinMan, Lion, and, well...Dorothy. || || || || || || Applications are being accepted for good witch, bad witch, and || || || the wizard, of course. || || || || || || I've got dibs on ToTo || || || || || || || || || || || || -Original Message- || || || To: Mohan, Ross || || || Cc: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L || || || Sent: 6/6/2001 8:03 AM || || || || || || On Tue, 5 Jun 2001,Mohan, Ross scribbled on the wall in || || || glitter crayon: || || || || || || -I AM AN IDIOT || || || || || || HOLD IT! that's *my* job on this list, thank you. i've || || || worked long and || || || hard to be the best idiot is can so i *deserve* the job.;-) || || || || || || -- || || || Bill Shrek Thater Certifiable ORACLE DBA || || || Telergy, Inc.[EMAIL PROTECTED] || || || ~~ || || || You gotta program like you don't need the money, || || || You gotta compile like you'll never get hurt, || || || You gotta run like there's nobody watching, || || || It's gotta come from the heart if you want it to work. || || || ~~ || || || You have junk mail. || || || -- || || || Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com || || || -- || || || Author: Mohan, Ross || || || INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] || || || || || || Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: || || (858) 538-5051 || || || San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / || || || Mailing Lists || || || || || || || || || To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an || E-Mail message || || || to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of || || 'ListGuru') and in || || || the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L || || || (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed || || from). You may || || || also send the HELP command for other information (like || || subscribing). || || || -- || || || Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com || || || -- || || || Author: Farnsworth, Dave
RE: SUMMARY: Thanks everyone - tru64
Lisa,
If you want an exact echo of Kevin's statement, count me in. We had a
similar situation in a far-away, tiny country called Brunei. AIX is the best
UNIX OS I have seen - at least for the SA. And the S80 is a lean, mean
monster.
John Kanagaraj
-Original Message-
Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2001 2:55 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
Lisa;
On the comment on AIX I came from a place that had large AIX servers
running oracle 7.3.4 and 8.1.6. I am here to tell you they were the best
machines that I have seen in a long time. The sys-admin tools were very
easy to use (I was both sys-admin and dba), the hardware was extremely
reliable (we actually ran {shiver} with no mirroring or raiding on database
drives with no errors for over 4 years), and most (I have to qualify it to
most) of the service technicians knew what they were doing.
There were a couple times when they sent us someone whom were under par
but one call to their area vp in charge of support at 4 am in the morning
and those folks were replaced the next day. (Of course, it helped being one
of their big clients in the area).
Anyway ... I prety much have to swear by AIX these days . it was a
very good system.
Kevin
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RE: SUMMARY: Thanks everyone - tru64
Thanks to both of you for these posts. I am passing it
along to team members...very helpful
-Original Message-
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
Sent: 6/6/2001 7:56 PM
Lisa,
If you want an exact echo of Kevin's statement, count me in. We had a
similar situation in a far-away, tiny country called Brunei. AIX is the
best
UNIX OS I have seen - at least for the SA. And the S80 is a lean, mean
monster.
John Kanagaraj
-Original Message-
Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2001 2:55 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
Lisa;
On the comment on AIX I came from a place that had large AIX
servers
running oracle 7.3.4 and 8.1.6. I am here to tell you they were the
best
machines that I have seen in a long time. The sys-admin tools were very
easy to use (I was both sys-admin and dba), the hardware was extremely
reliable (we actually ran {shiver} with no mirroring or raiding on
database
drives with no errors for over 4 years), and most (I have to qualify it
to
most) of the service technicians knew what they were doing.
There were a couple times when they sent us someone whom were under par
but one call to their area vp in charge of support at 4 am in the
morning
and those folks were replaced the next day. (Of course, it helped being
one
of their big clients in the area).
Anyway ... I prety much have to swear by AIX these days . it was a
very good system.
Kevin
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RE: SUMMARY: Thanks everyone - tru64
Lisa, You're a sweetheart -- you do very well what sofew of us do at all: post a post mortem to the list. Thanks! - Ross -Original Message- Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2001 4:16 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Kevin, sure I will. I just didn't want to muck up the list. Here's what I found. If anyone has any comments to add, please do. My question was about the utilities across different flavors of Unix and if they mean the same thing. vmstat, iostat are the same, however the switches may be a bit different. sar is system V only. truss you must purchase a license for. top is freeware. There is a utility called 'collect' that does something similar to top. The response regarding tru64 has been overwhelmingly positive. Some of the positive comments I received: 1. C compiler (Kernighan and Richie) is not ANSI compliant and may affect any 3rd party apps. 2. Compaq hardware used to be lagging in Oracle (Apps) patch releases. Not anymore. 3. The journaling filesystem makes mistakes like unplugging the wrong cord (oops!) a simple fix instead of hours of downtime. 4. Security - Since tru64 is not 'mainstream', e.g. marketed everywhere extremely popular, intimate knowledge for hacking the os is not widely known. So obscurity works in your favor. 5. Clustering technology is mature, solid and proven. 6. tru64 is indeed a first tier platform for Oracle. 7. Compaq's support is rated as 'very helpful'. 8. tru64 has the ability to quickly clone a filesystem. 9. OPS can reside on a filesystem on tru64. 10. Benchmarking Solaris E10K/64CPU against Compaq GS-160/16CPU favored the Compaq! WOW 11. For 9i, Oracle licensed also the TruCluster technology from Compaq. Oracle RAC (Real Application Cluster, new names for OPS) for 9i will only initially be available on tru64, truly first tier. Caveats/ Other comments: 1. Sun, relying on their own proprietary hardware, may be hurting themselves in the long run. 2. Sun is ex-pen-sive! Compaq wins in this comparison. 3. The future of Sun and Compaq seems a bit shaky right now, but they should pull through in the long run. 4. There's a bug in tru64 that doesn't allow one listener to service databases with different versions. Workaround is multiple listeners (no big deal) 5. Oracle does develop on Sun hardware. Calling OWWS for a Solaris system may net an answer quicker than running tru64. 6. Avoid the ultra sparc-2 chips from Sun. They have a problem with bad caches causing random reboots. I saw this at a previous employer. 7. If it's possible, consider IBM/AIX. IBM's sales force is highly trained in administration so you can talk real system architecture with them (not that I'm an admin or architect, I am neither). IBM's support is also top notch. Special thanks to the following people for their responses: Scott Shafer Ron Morton Lee Robertson Jerry Hess Michael Hand Murali Vallath Joe Hatchel Mike Kurt Ray Stell Darren Browett Stephen Andert Stefan Moeding And, the one and only clown Ross Mohan Like I said, I'm overwhelmed at how helpful everyone is. -Original Message- Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2001 12:02 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Lisa: How about contributing a summary of the feedback? Kevin -Original Message- Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2001 11:37 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L I just wanted to say thank you to everyone who responded to me when I asked for info on tru64 Unix. I received much more info and feedback than I ever expected! This list is extremely helpful and I am very appreciative of how willing people are to answer questions. I just hope I contribute enough to make up for how much everyone here has helped me. HELP! Have a great day, all. Lisa Koivu Oracle Database Administrator 954-935-4117 The information in the electronic mail message is Cendant confidential and may be legally privileged, it is intended solely for the addressee(s) access to this internet electronic mail message by anyone else is unauthorized. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it is prohibited and may be unlawful. The sender believes that this E-mail and any attachments were free of any virus, worm, Trojan horse, and/or malicious code when sent. This message and its attachments could have been infected during transmission. By reading the message and opening any attachments, the recipient accepts full responsibility for taking protective and remedial action about viruses and other defects. Cendant Corporation or Affiliates are not liable for any loss or damage arising in any way from this message or its attachments. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com http://www.orafaq.com
RE: SUMMARY: Thanks everyone - tru64
Title: RE: SUMMARY: Thanks everyone - tru64 Well, um... thanks Ross. I owe you big time. -- HELP -- -Original Message- From: Mohan, Ross [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2001 4:37 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: RE: SUMMARY: Thanks everyone - tru64 Lisa, You're a sweetheart -- you do very well what sofew of us do at all: post a post mortem to the list. Thanks! - Ross -Original Message- Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2001 4:16 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Kevin, sure I will. I just didn't want to muck up the list. Here's what I found. If anyone has any comments to add, please do. My question was about the utilities across different flavors of Unix and if they mean the same thing. vmstat, iostat are the same, however the switches may be a bit different. sar is system V only. truss you must purchase a license for. top is freeware. There is a utility called 'collect' that does something similar to top. The response regarding tru64 has been overwhelmingly positive. Some of the positive comments I received: 1. C compiler (Kernighan and Richie) is not ANSI compliant and may affect any 3rd party apps. 2. Compaq hardware used to be lagging in Oracle (Apps) patch releases. Not anymore. 3. The journaling filesystem makes mistakes like unplugging the wrong cord (oops!) a simple fix instead of hours of downtime. 4. Security - Since tru64 is not 'mainstream', e.g. marketed everywhere extremely popular, intimate knowledge for hacking the os is not widely known. So obscurity works in your favor. 5. Clustering technology is mature, solid and proven. 6. tru64 is indeed a first tier platform for Oracle. 7. Compaq's support is rated as 'very helpful'. 8. tru64 has the ability to quickly clone a filesystem. 9. OPS can reside on a filesystem on tru64. 10. Benchmarking Solaris E10K/64CPU against Compaq GS-160/16CPU favored the Compaq! WOW 11. For 9i, Oracle licensed also the TruCluster technology from Compaq. Oracle RAC (Real Application Cluster, new names for OPS) for 9i will only initially be available on tru64, truly first tier. Caveats/ Other comments: 1. Sun, relying on their own proprietary hardware, may be hurting themselves in the long run. 2. Sun is ex-pen-sive! Compaq wins in this comparison. 3. The future of Sun and Compaq seems a bit shaky right now, but they should pull through in the long run. 4. There's a bug in tru64 that doesn't allow one listener to service databases with different versions. Workaround is multiple listeners (no big deal) 5. Oracle does develop on Sun hardware. Calling OWWS for a Solaris system may net an answer quicker than running tru64. 6. Avoid the ultra sparc-2 chips from Sun. They have a problem with bad caches causing random reboots. I saw this at a previous employer. 7. If it's possible, consider IBM/AIX. IBM's sales force is highly trained in administration so you can talk real system architecture with them (not that I'm an admin or architect, I am neither). IBM's support is also top notch. Special thanks to the following people for their responses: Scott Shafer Ron Morton Lee Robertson Jerry Hess Michael Hand Murali Vallath Joe Hatchel Mike Kurt Ray Stell Darren Browett Stephen Andert Stefan Moeding And, the one and only clown Ross Mohan Like I said, I'm overwhelmed at how helpful everyone is. -Original Message- Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2001 12:02 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Lisa: How about contributing a summary of the feedback? Kevin -Original Message- Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2001 11:37 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L I just wanted to say thank you to everyone who responded to me when I asked for info on tru64 Unix. I received much more info and feedback than I ever expected! This list is extremely helpful and I am very appreciative of how willing people are to answer questions. I just hope I contribute enough to make up for how much everyone here has helped me. HELP! Have a great day, all. Lisa Koivu Oracle Database Administrator 954-935-4117 The information in the electronic mail message is Cendant confidential and may be legally privileged, it is intended solely for the addressee(s) access to this internet electronic mail message by anyone else is unauthorized. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it is prohibited and may be unlawful. The sender believes that this E-mail and any attachments were free of any virus, worm, Trojan horse, and/or malicious code when sent. This message and its attachments could have been infected during transmission. By reading the message and opening any attachments, the recipient accepts full responsibility for taking protective and remedial action about viruses and other defects. Cendant
OT RE: SUMMARY: Thanks everyone - tru64
I AM AN IDIOT -Original Message- Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2001 5:31 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Well, um... thanks Ross. I owe you big time. -- HELP -- -Original Message- Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2001 4:37 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Lisa, You're a sweetheart -- you do very well what sofew of us do at all: post a post mortem to the list. Thanks! - Ross -Original Message- Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2001 4:16 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Kevin, sure I will. I just didn't want to muck up the list. Here's what I found. If anyone has any comments to add, please do. My question was about the utilities across different flavors of Unix and if they mean the same thing. vmstat, iostat are the same, however the switches may be a bit different. sar is system V only. truss you must purchase a license for. top is freeware. There is a utility called 'collect' that does something similar to top. The response regarding tru64 has been overwhelmingly positive. Some of the positive comments I received: 1. C compiler (Kernighan and Richie) is not ANSI compliant and may affect any 3rd party apps. 2. Compaq hardware used to be lagging in Oracle (Apps) patch releases. Not anymore. 3. The journaling filesystem makes mistakes like unplugging the wrong cord (oops!) a simple fix instead of hours of downtime. 4. Security - Since tru64 is not 'mainstream', e.g. marketed everywhere extremely popular, intimate knowledge for hacking the os is not widely known. So obscurity works in your favor. 5. Clustering technology is mature, solid and proven. 6. tru64 is indeed a first tier platform for Oracle. 7. Compaq's support is rated as 'very helpful'. 8. tru64 has the ability to quickly clone a filesystem. 9. OPS can reside on a filesystem on tru64. 10. Benchmarking Solaris E10K/64CPU against Compaq GS-160/16CPU favored the Compaq! WOW 11. For 9i, Oracle licensed also the TruCluster technology from Compaq. Oracle RAC (Real Application Cluster, new names for OPS) for 9i will only initially be available on tru64, truly first tier. Caveats/ Other comments: 1. Sun, relying on their own proprietary hardware, may be hurting themselves in the long run. 2. Sun is ex-pen-sive! Compaq wins in this comparison. 3. The future of Sun and Compaq seems a bit shaky right now, but they should pull through in the long run. 4. There's a bug in tru64 that doesn't allow one listener to service databases with different versions. Workaround is multiple listeners (no big deal) 5. Oracle does develop on Sun hardware. Calling OWWS for a Solaris system may net an answer quicker than running tru64. 6. Avoid the ultra sparc-2 chips from Sun. They have a problem with bad caches causing random reboots. I saw this at a previous employer. 7. If it's possible, consider IBM/AIX. IBM's sales force is highly trained in administration so you can talk real system architecture with them (not that I'm an admin or architect, I am neither). IBM's support is also top notch. Special thanks to the following people for their responses: Scott Shafer Ron Morton Lee Robertson Jerry Hess Michael Hand Murali Vallath Joe Hatchel Mike Kurt Ray Stell Darren Browett Stephen Andert Stefan Moeding And, the one and only clown Ross Mohan Like I said, I'm overwhelmed at how helpful everyone is. -Original Message- Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2001 12:02 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Lisa: How about contributing a summary of the feedback? Kevin -Original Message- Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2001 11:37 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L I just wanted to say thank you to everyone who responded to me when I asked for info on tru64 Unix. I received much more info and feedback than I ever expected! This list is extremely helpful and I am very appreciative of how willing people are to answer questions. I just hope I contribute enough to make up for how much everyone here has helped me. HELP! Have a great day, all. Lisa Koivu Oracle Database Administrator 954-935-4117 The information in the electronic mail message is Cendant confidential and may be legally privileged, it is intended solely for the addressee(s) access to this internet electronic mail message by anyone else is unauthorized. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it is prohibited and may be unlawful. The sender believes that
RE: SUMMARY: Thanks everyone - tru64
Title: SUMMARY: Thanks everyone - tru64
Lisa;
On the comment on AIX I came from a place that had large AIX
servers running oracle 7.3.4 and 8.1.6. I am here to tell you they
were the best machines that I have seen in a long time. The sys-admin
tools were very easy to use (I was both sys-admin and dba), the hardware was
extremely reliable (we actually ran {shiver} with no mirroring or raiding on
database drives with no errors for over 4 years), and most (I have to qualify it
to most) of the service technicians knew what they were
doing.
There
were a couple times when they sent us someone whom were under par but one
call to their area vp in charge of support at 4 am in the morning and those
folks were replaced the next day. (Of course, it helped being one of their
big clients in the area).
Anyway
I prety much have to swear by AIX these days . it was a
very good system.
Kevin
-Original Message-From: Koivu, Lisa
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2001 3:16
PMTo: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-LSubject:
SUMMARY: Thanks everyone - tru64
Kevin, sure I will. I just
didn't want to muck up the list.
Here's what I found. If anyone
has any comments to add, please do.
My question was about the utilities
across different flavors of Unix and if they mean the same thing.
vmstat, iostat are the same, however the switches may be a bit
different. sar is system V only. truss you must purchase a license
for. top is freeware. There is a utility called 'collect' that
does something similar to top.
The response regarding tru64 has been
overwhelmingly positive. Some of the positive comments I
received:
1. C compiler (Kernighan and Richie) is not ANSI compliant and may affect any 3rd party apps.
2. Compaq hardware used
to be lagging in Oracle (Apps) patch releases. Not anymore.
3. The journaling filesystem
makes mistakes like unplugging the wrong cord (oops!) a simple fix instead of
hours of downtime.
4. Security - Since tru64 is
not 'mainstream', e.g. marketed everywhere extremely popular, intimate
knowledge for hacking the os is not widely known. So obscurity works in
your favor.
5. Clustering technology is
mature, solid and proven. 6. tru64 is indeed a first tier platform for Oracle.
7. Compaq's support is rated
as 'very helpful'. 8.
tru64 has the ability to quickly clone a filesystem. 9. OPS can reside on a filesystem on
tru64. 10. Benchmarking
Solaris E10K/64CPU against Compaq GS-160/16CPU favored the Compaq!
WOW 11. For 9i,
Oracle licensed also the TruCluster technology from Compaq. Oracle RAC (Real Application Cluster, new
names for OPS) for 9i will only initially be available on tru64, truly first
tier.
Caveats/ Other comments:
1. Sun, relying on their own
proprietary hardware, may be hurting themselves in the long run.
2. Sun is
ex-pen-sive! Compaq wins in this comparison. 3. The future of Sun and Compaq seems a bit shaky
right now, but they should pull through in the long run.
4. There's a bug in
tru64 that doesn't allow one listener to service databases with different
versions. Workaround is multiple listeners (no big deal)
5. Oracle does develop on Sun
hardware. Calling OWWS for a Solaris system may net an answer quicker
than running tru64.
6. Avoid the ultra sparc-2
chips from Sun. They have a problem with bad caches causing random
reboots. I saw this at a previous employer.
7. If it's possible, consider
IBM/AIX. IBM's sales force is highly trained in administration so you
can talk real system architecture with them (not that I'm an admin or
architect, I am neither). IBM's support is also top notch.
Special thanks to the following
people for their responses:
Scott Shafer Ron Morton Lee Robertson Jerry Hess Michael
Hand Murali Vallath
Joe Hatchel Mike Kurt Ray Stell Darren Browett Stephen
Andert Stefan Moeding
And, the one and only
clown Ross Mohan
Like I said, I'm overwhelmed at how
helpful everyone is.
-Original Message- From: Toepke, Kevin M [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2001 12:02 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: RE: Thanks everyone - tru64
Lisa: How about contributing a
summary of the feedback?
Kevin
-Original Message- Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2001 11:37 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
I just wanted to say thank you to everyone who
responded to me when I asked for info on
tru64 Unix. I received much more info and feedback than I ever
expected!
This list is extremely helpful and I am very
appreciative of how willing people are to
answer questions. I just hope I contribute enough to make up
for how much everyone here has helped me.
HELP!
Have a great day, all.
Lisa Koivu Oracle Database
