RE: recruiters. Aargh. (More on them!)
I wish that I could be like some of U where your job is to solely
tune/backup database etc. Although I am a "DBA", I feel that I am a 5% DBA
and 95% developer. I've just migrated our in-house customized System to the
newly acquired Oracle HR System (oracle workflow). In top of that, I am
also maintaining certain in-house Oracle systems. 95% of my time is spent on
development.
I think that it's great to learn so many tools, Oracle Workflow, Forms,
Reports, Graphics etc but I wish that I have more time to tune the database.
Besides, cloning database, backup database, applying oracle patches to the
HR System, all of my time is spent in development.
Regds,
New DBA
-Original Message-
From: Boivin, Patrice J [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2001 10:06 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
Subject: RE: recruiters. Aargh. (More on them!)
I don't know about this development business. I think about
this a lot (I
don't have a life).
I keep an eye on Developer, Jdeveloper, Cherokee (which is
dead I hear),
Visual C++, etc. etc. but I am not great at any of them.
There is just too much for one person to learn and be good
at both sides, in
my opinion.
If I had a project to handle I would prefer hiring a team of
people which is
composed of outstanding DBAs and outstanding developers,
each good in their
own field, rather than hire a bunch of people who can do a
little of
everything.
When you put specialists together with clear areas of
expertise, in a team,
you may end up with something greater than the sum of its
parts (gestalt).
If you put a bunch of OK generalists together, you will end
up with... a
workgroup and OK result. Probably.
As a DBA I am more interested in learning about SQL Server,
DB2, and others,
and in OSes than in doing development.
That's just my personal preference.
Maybe if I was a great developer I could do contracts and
drive a Porsche
like my NT instructor did, I don't know. Maybe once I am
confident I know
enough about the foundation my development work would run
on...
Regards,
Patrice Boivin
Systems Analyst (Oracle Certified DBA)
Systems Admin & Operations | Admin. et Exploit. des systèmes
Technology Services| Services technologiques
Informatics Branch | Direction de l'informatique
Maritimes Region, DFO | Région des Maritimes, MPO
E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
-Original Message-
From: Christopher Spence
[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2001 5:45 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
Subject:RE: recruiters. Aargh. (More on
them!)
As a dba you don't have to do designing and
development. You will
find
though 2 years is tough.
Here is my assessment.
1-3 years experience Very tough to find a job
but everyone wants
to
waste your times in interviews
3-5 years experience Alot of opportunities but
will fall short
for
"senior" positions
6+ years of experience Tons of jobs, alot of them
want you for
midlevel
positions (based on offered salary).
To be honest, there isn't much difference in salary
between a 5 year
dba and
20 years.
Once you make 5 year mark, your pretty much home
free (I am yet to
hit it as
I been doing Oracle for 3.5 years, and about 2 of
very solid work).
The
first 5 years are tough in my opinion unless you
have something
special
someone wants. For me, it has been my dedication
and tenacity not
my length
of service.
I have talked to alot of DBA's in my short period of
time, and I
have
detirmined one thing, attitude is KEY.
You have to have a certain something as there are
many things
RE: recruiters. Aargh. (More on them!)
Great points! And this is my last comment on the Utopian DBA island we are developing (since we are obviously starting to annoy people ;) ), and it has to do with your last comment: We will place Steve at the highest point on the island and visit him periodically for wisdom on such topics as the 82 layers of the Oracle kernel - thus, the "Oracle of Oracle"... Now I'm done. Jim (still in Friday mode) > Agreed highly on the specialist comment, I tend to like development so I > rather focus on just oracle and learn more devleopment. But learning other > databases rather than development is a very novel idea. It depends on the > person totally, I tend to like to create stuff. I do oracle only because I > am good at keeping things together as a sys admin for a few years. Although > it may not be exactly what I want to do, I do it well so magin well try to > be the best at it. Although Steve makes that nearly impossible task. > > > -Original Message- > Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2001 10:06 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > > I don't know about this development business. I think about this a lot (I > don't have a life). > > I keep an eye on Developer, Jdeveloper, Cherokee (which is dead I hear), > Visual C++, etc. etc. but I am not great at any of them. > > There is just too much for one person to learn and be good at both sides, in > my opinion. > > If I had a project to handle I would prefer hiring a team of people which is > composed of outstanding DBAs and outstanding developers, each good in their > own field, rather than hire a bunch of people who can do a little of > everything. > > When you put specialists together with clear areas of expertise, in a team, > you may end up with something greater than the sum of its parts (gestalt). > > If you put a bunch of OK generalists together, you will end up with... a > workgroup and OK result. Probably. > > As a DBA I am more interested in learning about SQL Server, DB2, and others, > and in OSes than in doing development. > > That's just my personal preference. > > Maybe if I was a great developer I could do contracts and drive a Porsche > like my NT instructor did, I don't know. Maybe once I am confident I know > enough about the foundation my development work would run on... > > Regards, > Patrice Boivin > Systems Analyst (Oracle Certified DBA) > > Systems Admin & Operations | Admin. et Exploit. des systèmes > Technology Services| Services technologiques > Informatics Branch | Direction de l'informatique > Maritimes Region, DFO | Région des Maritimes, MPO > > E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Christopher Spence [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2001 5:45 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > Subject:RE: recruiters. Aargh. (More on them!) > > As a dba you don't have to do designing and development. You will > find > though 2 years is tough. > Here is my assessment. > > 1-3 years experience Very tough to find a job but everyone wants > to > waste your times in interviews > 3-5 years experience Alot of opportunities but will fall short > for > "senior" positions > 6+ years of experience Tons of jobs, alot of them want you for > midlevel > positions (based on offered salary). > > To be honest, there isn't much difference in salary between a 5 year > dba and > 20 years. > Once you make 5 year mark, your pretty much home free (I am yet to > hit it as > I been doing Oracle for 3.5 years, and about 2 of very solid work). > The > first 5 years are tough in my opinion unless you have something > special > someone wants. For me, it has been my dedication and tenacity not > my length > of service. > > I have talked to alot of DBA's in my short period of time, and I > have > detirmined one thing, attitude is KEY. > You have to have a certain something as there are many things > involved with > Oracle and in my opinion very few people in comparison to the amount > of > dba's out there actually put effort into it to become better. > > Traits I feel are important: > > 1. Hunger, desire to be the best > 2. Ability to stand your ground with developers > 3. Ability to bend for developers when the task depends on it > 4. Ability to stare at a book for hours > 5. Desire to read things ju
RE: recruiters. Aargh. (More on them!)
Um, I like this idea with one addition... you need a generalist to RUN that team of specialists.. someone who has the ability to at least understand at a high level what the specialists do/say and to integrate them all together so that one's work doesn't step on the others. In other words, I consider myself the "primary care physician" for my databases. >From: "Boivin, Patrice J" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: RE: recruiters. Aargh. (More on them!) >Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 06:06:11 -0800 > >I don't know about this development business. I think about this a lot (I >don't have a life). > >I keep an eye on Developer, Jdeveloper, Cherokee (which is dead I hear), >Visual C++, etc. etc. but I am not great at any of them. > >There is just too much for one person to learn and be good at both sides, >in >my opinion. > >If I had a project to handle I would prefer hiring a team of people which >is >composed of outstanding DBAs and outstanding developers, each good in their >own field, rather than hire a bunch of people who can do a little of >everything. > >When you put specialists together with clear areas of expertise, in a team, >you may end up with something greater than the sum of its parts (gestalt). > >If you put a bunch of OK generalists together, you will end up with... a >workgroup and OK result. Probably. > >As a DBA I am more interested in learning about SQL Server, DB2, and >others, >and in OSes than in doing development. > >That's just my personal preference. > >Maybe if I was a great developer I could do contracts and drive a Porsche >like my NT instructor did, I don't know. Maybe once I am confident I know >enough about the foundation my development work would run on... > >Regards, >Patrice Boivin >Systems Analyst (Oracle Certified DBA) > >Systems Admin & Operations | Admin. et Exploit. des systèmes >Technology Services| Services technologiques >Informatics Branch | Direction de l'informatique >Maritimes Region, DFO | Région des Maritimes, MPO > >E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > -Original Message- > From: Christopher Spence [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2001 5:45 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > Subject:RE: recruiters. Aargh. (More on them!) > > As a dba you don't have to do designing and development. You will >find > though 2 years is tough. > Here is my assessment. > > 1-3 years experience Very tough to find a job but everyone wants >to > waste your times in interviews > 3-5 years experience Alot of opportunities but will fall short >for > "senior" positions > 6+ years of experience Tons of jobs, alot of them want you for >midlevel > positions (based on offered salary). > > To be honest, there isn't much difference in salary between a 5 year >dba and > 20 years. > Once you make 5 year mark, your pretty much home free (I am yet to >hit it as > I been doing Oracle for 3.5 years, and about 2 of very solid work). >The > first 5 years are tough in my opinion unless you have something >special > someone wants. For me, it has been my dedication and tenacity not >my length > of service. > > I have talked to alot of DBA's in my short period of time, and I >have > detirmined one thing, attitude is KEY. > You have to have a certain something as there are many things >involved with > Oracle and in my opinion very few people in comparison to the amount >of > dba's out there actually put effort into it to become better. > > Traits I feel are important: > > 1. Hunger, desire to be the best > 2. Ability to stand your ground with developers > 3. Ability to bend for developers when the task depends on it > 4. Ability to stare at a book for hours > 5. Desire to read things just because you want to > 6. Schedule to handle long hours when in a crunch > 7. Motivation to better yourself when things are slow and >everything is > working (hardly ever) > 8. Ability to take critism for everything, it is always a database >problem > unless proved otherwise. > > Not to go way off topic, but there are jobs out there for 2 year >dba's, but > your attitude will be the number 1 factor if you can do anything >with them >
RE: recruiters. Aargh. (More on them!)
Agreed highly on the specialist comment, I tend to like development so I
rather focus on just oracle and learn more devleopment. But learning other
databases rather than development is a very novel idea. It depends on the
person totally, I tend to like to create stuff. I do oracle only because I
am good at keeping things together as a sys admin for a few years. Although
it may not be exactly what I want to do, I do it well so magin well try to
be the best at it. Although Steve makes that nearly impossible task.
-Original Message-
Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2001 10:06 AM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
I don't know about this development business. I think about this a lot (I
don't have a life).
I keep an eye on Developer, Jdeveloper, Cherokee (which is dead I hear),
Visual C++, etc. etc. but I am not great at any of them.
There is just too much for one person to learn and be good at both sides, in
my opinion.
If I had a project to handle I would prefer hiring a team of people which is
composed of outstanding DBAs and outstanding developers, each good in their
own field, rather than hire a bunch of people who can do a little of
everything.
When you put specialists together with clear areas of expertise, in a team,
you may end up with something greater than the sum of its parts (gestalt).
If you put a bunch of OK generalists together, you will end up with... a
workgroup and OK result. Probably.
As a DBA I am more interested in learning about SQL Server, DB2, and others,
and in OSes than in doing development.
That's just my personal preference.
Maybe if I was a great developer I could do contracts and drive a Porsche
like my NT instructor did, I don't know. Maybe once I am confident I know
enough about the foundation my development work would run on...
Regards,
Patrice Boivin
Systems Analyst (Oracle Certified DBA)
Systems Admin & Operations | Admin. et Exploit. des systèmes
Technology Services| Services technologiques
Informatics Branch | Direction de l'informatique
Maritimes Region, DFO | Région des Maritimes, MPO
E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
-Original Message-
From: Christopher Spence [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2001 5:45 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
Subject: RE: recruiters. Aargh. (More on them!)
As a dba you don't have to do designing and development. You will
find
though 2 years is tough.
Here is my assessment.
1-3 years experience Very tough to find a job but everyone wants
to
waste your times in interviews
3-5 years experience Alot of opportunities but will fall short
for
"senior" positions
6+ years of experience Tons of jobs, alot of them want you for
midlevel
positions (based on offered salary).
To be honest, there isn't much difference in salary between a 5 year
dba and
20 years.
Once you make 5 year mark, your pretty much home free (I am yet to
hit it as
I been doing Oracle for 3.5 years, and about 2 of very solid work).
The
first 5 years are tough in my opinion unless you have something
special
someone wants. For me, it has been my dedication and tenacity not
my length
of service.
I have talked to alot of DBA's in my short period of time, and I
have
detirmined one thing, attitude is KEY.
You have to have a certain something as there are many things
involved with
Oracle and in my opinion very few people in comparison to the amount
of
dba's out there actually put effort into it to become better.
Traits I feel are important:
1. Hunger, desire to be the best
2. Ability to stand your ground with developers
3. Ability to bend for developers when the task depends on it
4. Ability to stare at a book for hours
5. Desire to read things just because you want to
6. Schedule to handle long hours when in a crunch
7. Motivation to better yourself when things are slow and
everything is
working (hardly ever)
8. Ability to take critism for everything, it is always a database
problem
unless proved otherwise.
Not to go way off topic, but there are jobs out there for 2 year
dba's, but
your attitude will be the number 1 factor if you can do anything
with them
after you get your foot in the door. Your recruiter and your resume
is what
is the number 1 factor to just get in the door.
I happen to be better once I am in the door, many people happen to
be better
at getting in the door. You have to be able to do both.
-Original Message-
Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2001 3:55 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORAC
RE: recruiters. Aargh. (More on them!)
Another opinion. I like generalists. Of course, that's probably because I
am one. I'm not the be all end all at anything, but I know anywhere from a
little to a lot about a whole bunch of technologies and tools. If I had an
important project to do, my ideal team would be a mixed team of generalists
and specialists. Far too often, a specialist doesn't understand enough
about other technologies to understand the pros and cons of a particular
approach to something and a project may have to do something in a less than
optimal way for one function in order to make it doable at all for another
part(is that clear? I hope so). However, when I say generalist, I want
someone who is good at something, not univerally bad at everything. That's
just my opinion. I see too many people who only know X who think that X is
the only true path when there are many paths to a given result.
Dan
-Original Message-
Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2001 10:06 AM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
I don't know about this development business. I think about this a lot (I
don't have a life).
I keep an eye on Developer, Jdeveloper, Cherokee (which is dead I hear),
Visual C++, etc. etc. but I am not great at any of them.
There is just too much for one person to learn and be good at both sides, in
my opinion.
If I had a project to handle I would prefer hiring a team of people which is
composed of outstanding DBAs and outstanding developers, each good in their
own field, rather than hire a bunch of people who can do a little of
everything.
When you put specialists together with clear areas of expertise, in a team,
you may end up with something greater than the sum of its parts (gestalt).
If you put a bunch of OK generalists together, you will end up with... a
workgroup and OK result. Probably.
As a DBA I am more interested in learning about SQL Server, DB2, and others,
and in OSes than in doing development.
That's just my personal preference.
Maybe if I was a great developer I could do contracts and drive a Porsche
like my NT instructor did, I don't know. Maybe once I am confident I know
enough about the foundation my development work would run on...
Regards,
Patrice Boivin
Systems Analyst (Oracle Certified DBA)
Systems Admin & Operations | Admin. et Exploit. des systèmes
Technology Services| Services technologiques
Informatics Branch | Direction de l'informatique
Maritimes Region, DFO | Région des Maritimes, MPO
E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
-Original Message-
From: Christopher Spence [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2001 5:45 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
Subject:RE: recruiters. Aargh. (More on them!)
As a dba you don't have to do designing and development. You will
find
though 2 years is tough.
Here is my assessment.
1-3 years experience Very tough to find a job but everyone wants
to
waste your times in interviews
3-5 years experience Alot of opportunities but will fall short
for
"senior" positions
6+ years of experience Tons of jobs, alot of them want you for
midlevel
positions (based on offered salary).
To be honest, there isn't much difference in salary between a 5 year
dba and
20 years.
Once you make 5 year mark, your pretty much home free (I am yet to
hit it as
I been doing Oracle for 3.5 years, and about 2 of very solid work).
The
first 5 years are tough in my opinion unless you have something
special
someone wants. For me, it has been my dedication and tenacity not
my length
of service.
I have talked to alot of DBA's in my short period of time, and I
have
detirmined one thing, attitude is KEY.
You have to have a certain something as there are many things
involved with
Oracle and in my opinion very few people in comparison to the amount
of
dba's out there actually put effort into it to become better.
Traits I feel are important:
1. Hunger, desire to be the best
2. Ability to stand your ground with developers
3. Ability to bend for developers when the task depends on it
4. Ability to stare at a book for hours
5. Desire to read things just because you want to
6. Schedule to handle long hours when in a crunch
7. Motivation to better yourself when things are slow and
everything is
working (hardly ever)
8. Ability to take critism for everything, it is always a database
problem
unless proved otherwise.
Not to go way off topic, but there are jobs out there for 2 year
dba's, but
your attitude will be the number 1 factor if you can do anything
with them
after you get your f
RE: recruiters. Aargh. (More on them!)
I don't know about this development business. I think about this a lot (I
don't have a life).
I keep an eye on Developer, Jdeveloper, Cherokee (which is dead I hear),
Visual C++, etc. etc. but I am not great at any of them.
There is just too much for one person to learn and be good at both sides, in
my opinion.
If I had a project to handle I would prefer hiring a team of people which is
composed of outstanding DBAs and outstanding developers, each good in their
own field, rather than hire a bunch of people who can do a little of
everything.
When you put specialists together with clear areas of expertise, in a team,
you may end up with something greater than the sum of its parts (gestalt).
If you put a bunch of OK generalists together, you will end up with... a
workgroup and OK result. Probably.
As a DBA I am more interested in learning about SQL Server, DB2, and others,
and in OSes than in doing development.
That's just my personal preference.
Maybe if I was a great developer I could do contracts and drive a Porsche
like my NT instructor did, I don't know. Maybe once I am confident I know
enough about the foundation my development work would run on...
Regards,
Patrice Boivin
Systems Analyst (Oracle Certified DBA)
Systems Admin & Operations | Admin. et Exploit. des systèmes
Technology Services| Services technologiques
Informatics Branch | Direction de l'informatique
Maritimes Region, DFO | Région des Maritimes, MPO
E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
-Original Message-
From: Christopher Spence [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2001 5:45 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
Subject: RE: recruiters. Aargh. (More on them!)
As a dba you don't have to do designing and development. You will
find
though 2 years is tough.
Here is my assessment.
1-3 years experience Very tough to find a job but everyone wants
to
waste your times in interviews
3-5 years experience Alot of opportunities but will fall short
for
"senior" positions
6+ years of experience Tons of jobs, alot of them want you for
midlevel
positions (based on offered salary).
To be honest, there isn't much difference in salary between a 5 year
dba and
20 years.
Once you make 5 year mark, your pretty much home free (I am yet to
hit it as
I been doing Oracle for 3.5 years, and about 2 of very solid work).
The
first 5 years are tough in my opinion unless you have something
special
someone wants. For me, it has been my dedication and tenacity not
my length
of service.
I have talked to alot of DBA's in my short period of time, and I
have
detirmined one thing, attitude is KEY.
You have to have a certain something as there are many things
involved with
Oracle and in my opinion very few people in comparison to the amount
of
dba's out there actually put effort into it to become better.
Traits I feel are important:
1. Hunger, desire to be the best
2. Ability to stand your ground with developers
3. Ability to bend for developers when the task depends on it
4. Ability to stare at a book for hours
5. Desire to read things just because you want to
6. Schedule to handle long hours when in a crunch
7. Motivation to better yourself when things are slow and
everything is
working (hardly ever)
8. Ability to take critism for everything, it is always a database
problem
unless proved otherwise.
Not to go way off topic, but there are jobs out there for 2 year
dba's, but
your attitude will be the number 1 factor if you can do anything
with them
after you get your foot in the door. Your recruiter and your resume
is what
is the number 1 factor to just get in the door.
I happen to be better once I am in the door, many people happen to
be better
at getting in the door. You have to be able to do both.
-Original Message-
Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2001 3:55 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
Hi!..
Can someone please help me?
I have worked as oracle Dba for 2 and half years
and now the recruiters 'complain' that I have
not done any 'designing or development'.
Can someone please advise on 'where do I go from here'?
Thanks
PS: Oracle is 'useless' in giving such advise, cos
their 'worldview' starts and ends with OCP.
which I find recruiters 'barely notice'!
- Original Message --
Henry Poras <[EM
RE: recruiters. Aargh. (More on them!)
As a dba you don't have to do designing and development. You will find though 2 years is tough. Here is my assessment. 1-3 years experience Very tough to find a job but everyone wants to waste your times in interviews 3-5 years experience Alot of opportunities but will fall short for "senior" positions 6+ years of experience Tons of jobs, alot of them want you for midlevel positions (based on offered salary). To be honest, there isn't much difference in salary between a 5 year dba and 20 years. Once you make 5 year mark, your pretty much home free (I am yet to hit it as I been doing Oracle for 3.5 years, and about 2 of very solid work). The first 5 years are tough in my opinion unless you have something special someone wants. For me, it has been my dedication and tenacity not my length of service. I have talked to alot of DBA's in my short period of time, and I have detirmined one thing, attitude is KEY. You have to have a certain something as there are many things involved with Oracle and in my opinion very few people in comparison to the amount of dba's out there actually put effort into it to become better. Traits I feel are important: 1. Hunger, desire to be the best 2. Ability to stand your ground with developers 3. Ability to bend for developers when the task depends on it 4. Ability to stare at a book for hours 5. Desire to read things just because you want to 6. Schedule to handle long hours when in a crunch 7. Motivation to better yourself when things are slow and everything is working (hardly ever) 8. Ability to take critism for everything, it is always a database problem unless proved otherwise. Not to go way off topic, but there are jobs out there for 2 year dba's, but your attitude will be the number 1 factor if you can do anything with them after you get your foot in the door. Your recruiter and your resume is what is the number 1 factor to just get in the door. I happen to be better once I am in the door, many people happen to be better at getting in the door. You have to be able to do both. -Original Message- Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2001 3:55 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Hi!.. Can someone please help me? I have worked as oracle Dba for 2 and half years and now the recruiters 'complain' that I have not done any 'designing or development'. Can someone please advise on 'where do I go from here'? Thanks PS: Oracle is 'useless' in giving such advise, cos their 'worldview' starts and ends with OCP. which I find recruiters 'barely notice'! - Original Message -- Henry Poras <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: To:Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> From:Henry Poras <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date:Fri, 18 May 2001 12:06:50 -0800 Subject:recruiters. Aargh Funny story from earlier this week. I've been pestered by a recruiter making cold calls who is trying to get me to hire an Oracle Developer. I told her we had a hiring freeze, but she claimed he walked on water, and we couldn't pass him up. I asked her to fax a resume and told her I would look at it. Of course the resume was nothing special. When I told her "the resume does not warrent us superceeding the hiring freeze" I could almost hear the lightbulb popping above her head as she contemplated the next call to our switchboard. "Warren, is that the name of your manager?" she asked. bye bye. Henry -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Henry Poras INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). _ Chat with your friends as soon as they come online. Get Rediff Bol at http://bol.rediff.com -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Cyril Thankappan INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Christopher Spence INET: [EM
Re: recruiters. Aargh. (More on them!)
Hi!.. Can someone please help me? I have worked as oracle Dba for 2 and half years and now the recruiters 'complain' that I have not done any 'designing or development'. Can someone please advise on 'where do I go from here'? Thanks PS: Oracle is 'useless' in giving such advise, cos their 'worldview' starts and ends with OCP. which I find recruiters 'barely notice'! - Original Message -- Henry Poras <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: To:Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> From:Henry Poras <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date:Fri, 18 May 2001 12:06:50 -0800 Subject:recruiters. Aargh Funny story from earlier this week. I've been pestered by a recruiter making cold calls who is trying to get me to hire an Oracle Developer. I told her we had a hiring freeze, but she claimed he walked on water, and we couldn't pass him up. I asked her to fax a resume and told her I would look at it. Of course the resume was nothing special. When I told her "the resume does not warrent us superceeding the hiring freeze" I could almost hear the lightbulb popping above her head as she contemplated the next call to our switchboard. "Warren, is that the name of your manager?" she asked. bye bye. Henry -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Henry Poras INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). _ Chat with your friends as soon as they come online. Get Rediff Bol at http://bol.rediff.com -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Cyril Thankappan INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
