RE: Apache and mod_plsql
About a month ago there were news they were going to hire 2000 people in India. HP has run into a bit of trouble over this, see TheRegister re. that company's customer support problems. Pat. -Original Message-From: Mogens Nørgaard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2003 6:09 AMTo: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-LSubject: Re: Apache and mod_plsqlI'm not sure about much regarding Oracle's license terms right now, but I have been told (while working in Oracle) that the Apache server that was built into 8.1.6 was purely there because OEM needed it (Morten - is that correct?) and that you were not allowed to use it instead of iAS. However, I cannot possibly see how anyone could come after you for using a feature in the database when no dire warnings have been issued as far as I know. So go for it.Oracle - according to rumours we heard last Monday - would ax around 30% of the US sales/consulting organisation. Well, they certainly fired a lot of people Friday, but I don't know how many.There will, by the way, be other events like that in other countries in this quarter. Perhaps even in the UK, where they recently removed 25% of Consulting in one day. Certainly in Denmark.Mogens[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Morten, Regrettably my friendly License Management person has apparently left, since e-mail to his account bounces. But, his previous statement was that if the installer does NOT give you an option to install or not install a product, then your free to use it. Given that, I'd say that one is free to use the apache server that they bundle in 9i since there is no option on installing it, it just does it. The Context option is a different animal. The Installer may not let you leave it out, but your not free to use it either since it is listed. Dick Goulet Reply Separator Author: Morten Egan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: 3/5/2003 12:14 PM hmmm I remember something about licensing with Oracle HTTP Server. AFAIK you are NOT allowed to use it for this kind of appl. I think you need to buy the IAS. Can anyone remember the specifics around this, or am I way off here? /morten Michael Garfield Sorensen wrote: If you don't plan to have many users, I think you could make do with the Oracle HTTP Server (Powered by Apache) that comes bundled with the database from 8.1.6 and onwards. No need to rewrite any code, as it comes with mod_plsql and the PL/SQL Web Toolkit. You could also consider ChangeGroup PL/SQL Server Pages (see http://www.changegroup.biz/da/cgpsp.psp). That would require a rewrite, but it shouldn't be that hard... Regards, Michael Garfield Sorensen, CeDeT - Original Message - To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: 5. marts 2003 16:50 The O'Reilly book Oracle and Open Source says DBPrism is a continuation of / based on OWSKiller, and is "one of the most astonishing success stories of Java, Oracle, and open source cooperation." (p.299). They explain how to install it, how to use it, adapters you can get for it, including Cocoon (a Java publishing framework). Pat. -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 10:06 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L We are running 9iAS. If I understand this correctly, 9iAS is simply Apache with a PL/SQL module from Oracle. Our management would like to save the Oracle Support dollars for 9iAS, so I am looking into alternatives. We use the PL/SQL web packages, so my options are limited unless we choose to rewrite code. My questions are: 1) Is it possible to add the (or "a") PL/SQL module to Apache without going through Oracle - or does the combination of the two simply give you 9iAS, which is an Oracle product? 2) Any comments or experience with DBPrism (http://www.plenix.com/dbprism/), which is the only possible alternative that I have found so far? I've been trying to read about modowa (http://www.sharemation.com/~dmcmahon/modowa.htm) but the server is down at the moment. Thank you, Jay **DISCLAIMER This e-mail message and any files transmitted with it are intended for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed and may contain information that is privileged, proprietary and confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you may not use, copy or disclose to anyone the message or any information contained in the message. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender and delete this e-mail message. The contents do not represent the opinion of D&E except to the extent that it relates to their official business. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Jay Hostetter INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services --
Re: Apache and mod_plsql
I'm not sure about much regarding Oracle's license terms right now, but I have been told (while working in Oracle) that the Apache server that was built into 8.1.6 was purely there because OEM needed it (Morten - is that correct?) and that you were not allowed to use it instead of iAS. However, I cannot possibly see how anyone could come after you for using a feature in the database when no dire warnings have been issued as far as I know. So go for it. Oracle - according to rumours we heard last Monday - would ax around 30% of the US sales/consulting organisation. Well, they certainly fired a lot of people Friday, but I don't know how many. There will, by the way, be other events like that in other countries in this quarter. Perhaps even in the UK, where they recently removed 25% of Consulting in one day. Certainly in Denmark. Mogens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Morten, Regrettably my friendly License Management person has apparently left, since e-mail to his account bounces. But, his previous statement was that if the installer does NOT give you an option to install or not install a product, then your free to use it. Given that, I'd say that one is free to use the apache server that they bundle in 9i since there is no option on installing it, it just does it. The Context option is a different animal. The Installer may not let you leave it out, but your not free to use it either since it is listed. Dick Goulet Reply Separator Author: Morten Egan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: 3/5/2003 12:14 PM hmmm I remember something about licensing with Oracle HTTP Server. AFAIK you are NOT allowed to use it for this kind of appl. I think you need to buy the IAS. Can anyone remember the specifics around this, or am I way off here? /morten Michael Garfield Sorensen wrote: If you don't plan to have many users, I think you could make do with the Oracle HTTP Server (Powered by Apache) that comes bundled with the database from 8.1.6 and onwards. No need to rewrite any code, as it comes with mod_plsql and the PL/SQL Web Toolkit. You could also consider ChangeGroup PL/SQL Server Pages (see http://www.changegroup.biz/da/cgpsp.psp). That would require a rewrite, but it shouldn't be that hard... Regards, Michael Garfield Sorensen, CeDeT - Original Message - To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: 5. marts 2003 16:50 The O'Reilly book Oracle and Open Source says DBPrism is a continuation of / based on OWSKiller, and is "one of the most astonishing success stories of Java, Oracle, and open source cooperation." (p.299). They explain how to install it, how to use it, adapters you can get for it, including Cocoon (a Java publishing framework). Pat. -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 10:06 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L We are running 9iAS. If I understand this correctly, 9iAS is simply Apache with a PL/SQL module from Oracle. Our management would like to save the Oracle Support dollars for 9iAS, so I am looking into alternatives. We use the PL/SQL web packages, so my options are limited unless we choose to rewrite code. My questions are: 1) Is it possible to add the (or "a") PL/SQL module to Apache without going through Oracle - or does the combination of the two simply give you 9iAS, which is an Oracle product? 2) Any comments or experience with DBPrism (http://www.plenix.com/dbprism/), which is the only possible alternative that I have found so far? I've been trying to read about modowa (http://www.sharemation.com/~dmcmahon/modowa.htm) but the server is down at the moment. Thank you, Jay **DISCLAIMER This e-mail message and any files transmitted with it are intended for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed and may contain information that is privileged, proprietary and confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you may not use, copy or disclose to anyone the message or any information contained in the message. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender and delete this e-mail message. The contents do not represent the opinion of D&E except to the extent that it relates to their official business. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Jay Hostetter INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ:
Re: Apache and mod_plsql
The problem with that idea is that the webserver portion will be installed in a DMZ, away from the database. Which got me thinking...what if I just installed the http portion of the database install on the webserver box? I would be using the http listener that comes with the database, but I wouldn't be using the database on the same machine. I wonder what licensing issues that raises? Jay >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 03/05/03 02:19PM >>> If you don't plan to have many users, I think you could make do with the Oracle HTTP Server (Powered by Apache) that comes bundled with the database from 8.1.6 and onwards. No need to rewrite any code, as it comes with mod_plsql and the PL/SQL Web Toolkit. You could also consider ChangeGroup PL/SQL Server Pages (see http://www.changegroup.biz/da/cgpsp.psp). That would require a rewrite, but it shouldn't be that hard... Regards, Michael Garfield Sørensen, CeDeT - Original Message - To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: 5. marts 2003 16:50 > The O'Reilly book Oracle and Open Source says DBPrism is a continuation of / > based on OWSKiller, and is "one of the most astonishing success stories of > Java, Oracle, and open source cooperation." (p.299). > > They explain how to install it, how to use it, adapters you can get for it, > including Cocoon (a Java publishing framework). > > Pat. > > -Original Message- > Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 10:06 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > > We are running 9iAS. If I understand this correctly, 9iAS is simply > Apache with a PL/SQL module from Oracle. Our management would like to save > the Oracle Support dollars for 9iAS, so I am looking into alternatives. We > use the PL/SQL web packages, so my options are limited unless we choose to > rewrite code. My questions are: > > 1) Is it possible to add the (or "a") PL/SQL module to Apache without going > through Oracle - or does the combination of the two simply give you 9iAS, > which is an Oracle product? > 2) Any comments or experience with DBPrism (http://www.plenix.com/dbprism/), > which is the only possible alternative that I have found so far? > > I've been trying to read about modowa > (http://www.sharemation.com/~dmcmahon/modowa.htm) but the server is down at > the moment. > > Thank you, > Jay **DISCLAIMER This e-mail message and any files transmitted with it are intended for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed and may contain information that is privileged, proprietary and confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you may not use, copy or disclose to anyone the message or any information contained in the message. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender and delete this e-mail message. The contents do not represent the opinion of D&E except to the extent that it relates to their official business. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Jay Hostetter INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: Apache and mod_plsql
hmmm I remember something about licensing with Oracle HTTP Server. AFAIK you are NOT allowed to use it for this kind of appl. I think you need to buy the IAS. Can anyone remember the specifics around this, or am I way off here? /morten Michael Garfield Sørensen wrote: If you don't plan to have many users, I think you could make do with the Oracle HTTP Server (Powered by Apache) that comes bundled with the database from 8.1.6 and onwards. No need to rewrite any code, as it comes with mod_plsql and the PL/SQL Web Toolkit. You could also consider ChangeGroup PL/SQL Server Pages (see http://www.changegroup.biz/da/cgpsp.psp). That would require a rewrite, but it shouldn't be that hard... Regards, Michael Garfield Sørensen, CeDeT - Original Message - To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: 5. marts 2003 16:50 The O'Reilly book Oracle and Open Source says DBPrism is a continuation of / based on OWSKiller, and is "one of the most astonishing success stories of Java, Oracle, and open source cooperation." (p.299). They explain how to install it, how to use it, adapters you can get for it, including Cocoon (a Java publishing framework). Pat. -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 10:06 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L We are running 9iAS. If I understand this correctly, 9iAS is simply Apache with a PL/SQL module from Oracle. Our management would like to save the Oracle Support dollars for 9iAS, so I am looking into alternatives. We use the PL/SQL web packages, so my options are limited unless we choose to rewrite code. My questions are: 1) Is it possible to add the (or "a") PL/SQL module to Apache without going through Oracle - or does the combination of the two simply give you 9iAS, which is an Oracle product? 2) Any comments or experience with DBPrism (http://www.plenix.com/dbprism/), which is the only possible alternative that I have found so far? I've been trying to read about modowa (http://www.sharemation.com/~dmcmahon/modowa.htm) but the server is down at the moment. Thank you, Jay **DISCLAIMER This e-mail message and any files transmitted with it are intended for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed and may contain information that is privileged, proprietary and confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you may not use, copy or disclose to anyone the message or any information contained in the message. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender and delete this e-mail message. The contents do not represent the opinion of D&E except to the extent that it relates to their official business. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Jay Hostetter INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Boivin, Patrice J INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: Apache and mod_plsql
If you don't plan to have many users, I think you could make do with the Oracle HTTP Server (Powered by Apache) that comes bundled with the database from 8.1.6 and onwards. No need to rewrite any code, as it comes with mod_plsql and the PL/SQL Web Toolkit. You could also consider ChangeGroup PL/SQL Server Pages (see http://www.changegroup.biz/da/cgpsp.psp). That would require a rewrite, but it shouldn't be that hard... Regards, Michael Garfield Sørensen, CeDeT - Original Message - To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: 5. marts 2003 16:50 > The O'Reilly book Oracle and Open Source says DBPrism is a continuation of / > based on OWSKiller, and is "one of the most astonishing success stories of > Java, Oracle, and open source cooperation." (p.299). > > They explain how to install it, how to use it, adapters you can get for it, > including Cocoon (a Java publishing framework). > > Pat. > > -Original Message- > Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 10:06 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > > We are running 9iAS. If I understand this correctly, 9iAS is simply > Apache with a PL/SQL module from Oracle. Our management would like to save > the Oracle Support dollars for 9iAS, so I am looking into alternatives. We > use the PL/SQL web packages, so my options are limited unless we choose to > rewrite code. My questions are: > > 1) Is it possible to add the (or "a") PL/SQL module to Apache without going > through Oracle - or does the combination of the two simply give you 9iAS, > which is an Oracle product? > 2) Any comments or experience with DBPrism (http://www.plenix.com/dbprism/), > which is the only possible alternative that I have found so far? > > I've been trying to read about modowa > (http://www.sharemation.com/~dmcmahon/modowa.htm) but the server is down at > the moment. > > Thank you, > Jay > > > > **DISCLAIMER > This e-mail message and any files transmitted with it are intended for the > use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed and may contain > information that is privileged, proprietary and confidential. If you are not > the intended recipient, you may not use, copy or disclose to anyone the > message or any information contained in the message. If you have received > this communication in error, please notify the sender and delete this e-mail > message. The contents do not represent the opinion of D&E except to the > extent that it relates to their official business. > -- > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net > -- > Author: Jay Hostetter > INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com > San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services > - > To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message > to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in > the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L > (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may > also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). > -- > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net > -- > Author: Boivin, Patrice J > INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com > San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services > - > To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message > to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in > the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L > (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may > also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). > -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Michael_Garfield_S=F8rensen?= INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Apache and mod_plsql
MOD_PLSQL is licensed under GPL and its home page is on http://www.selfsoft.com/progs/mod_plsql In my opinion Apache with PHP is equally good as mod_plsql. The main advantage of the modules is that they become a part of Apache httpd process, so you don't have to go through CGI and process switching, everything is handled within the httpd process. > -Original Message- > From: Jay Hostetter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 9:06 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > Subject: Apache and mod_plsql > > > We are running 9iAS. If I understand this correctly, 9iAS > is simply Apache with a PL/SQL module from Oracle. Our > management would like to save the Oracle Support dollars for > 9iAS, so I am looking into alternatives. We use the PL/SQL > web packages, so my options are limited unless we choose to > rewrite code. My questions are: > > 1) Is it possible to add the (or "a") PL/SQL module to Apache > without going through Oracle - or does the combination of the > two simply give you 9iAS, which is an Oracle product? > 2) Any comments or experience with DBPrism > (http://www.plenix.com/dbprism/), which is the only possible > alternative that I have found so far? > > I've been trying to read about modowa > (http://www.sharemation.com/~dmcmahon/modowa.htm) but the > server is down at the moment. > > Thank you, > Jay > > > > **DISCLAIMER > This e-mail message and any files transmitted with it are > intended for the use of the individual or entity to which > they are addressed and may contain information that is > privileged, proprietary and confidential. If you are not the > intended recipient, you may not use, copy or disclose to > anyone the message or any information contained in the > message. If you have received this communication in error, > please notify the sender and delete this e-mail message. The > contents do not represent the opinion of D&E except to the > extent that it relates to their official business. > -- > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net > -- > Author: Jay Hostetter > INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com > San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services > - > To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message > to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in > the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L > (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may > also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). > -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Gogala, Mladen INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Apache and mod_plsql
The O'Reilly book Oracle and Open Source says DBPrism is a continuation of / based on OWSKiller, and is "one of the most astonishing success stories of Java, Oracle, and open source cooperation." (p.299). They explain how to install it, how to use it, adapters you can get for it, including Cocoon (a Java publishing framework). Pat. -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 10:06 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L We are running 9iAS. If I understand this correctly, 9iAS is simply Apache with a PL/SQL module from Oracle. Our management would like to save the Oracle Support dollars for 9iAS, so I am looking into alternatives. We use the PL/SQL web packages, so my options are limited unless we choose to rewrite code. My questions are: 1) Is it possible to add the (or "a") PL/SQL module to Apache without going through Oracle - or does the combination of the two simply give you 9iAS, which is an Oracle product? 2) Any comments or experience with DBPrism (http://www.plenix.com/dbprism/), which is the only possible alternative that I have found so far? I've been trying to read about modowa (http://www.sharemation.com/~dmcmahon/modowa.htm) but the server is down at the moment. Thank you, Jay **DISCLAIMER This e-mail message and any files transmitted with it are intended for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed and may contain information that is privileged, proprietary and confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you may not use, copy or disclose to anyone the message or any information contained in the message. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender and delete this e-mail message. The contents do not represent the opinion of D&E except to the extent that it relates to their official business. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Jay Hostetter INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Boivin, Patrice J INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
