RE: EM To Go
Apart from when you are on the move (to/from work), or sat at home in the evening, or at the pub, or shopping, or sat in Hooters.. How about when you're lay in bed on a Sunday morning (we've had customers fix problems in exactly this situation!)? Monitors are great - we sell one! - and IMHO should be used alongside PocketDBA, but you never can tell when you're going to get a spurious error message and will have to investigate. The point behind the PDA tools is not to have a gimmicky little hand held, or to constantly be in a reactive mode - the point is to be able to fix a problem from anywhere, at any time, within a minimum response time. Within true 24x7 environments I believe that you SHOULD be able to do this - or potentially start losing money from downtime when you can't get to your laptop. Unless of course you want to sit inside by a PC and a land line constantly whilst you are on call.. DBAs have lives too.. ;) PocketDBA is not just about adding a datafile or a user either, it can be used as a full diagnostics tool too. Perhaps you should take a look at it before judging it - there's an online demo here: http://demo.xb.com/xba/app.. BTW Dick, the latest version is a LOT better when viewed through a standard desktop sized browser as well now. It's now not only a PDA tool, but is context sensitive to desktop, PDA, laptop or tablet browsers. So you can use at work as well if wish, or even on your laptop. I'll get off my high horse now ;) Mark -Original Message- Binley Lim Sent: 08 September 2003 21:49 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Good, you have a much lesser need for a vendor-grown monitoring PDA-tool to address problems, reactively, on the fly then. That was my point and I'm glad you agree ;-) - Original Message - To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2003 8:14 AM Binley, I've spent more time than I care to remember in reactive mode. It stinks, which is most likely why I wrote my own database monitor 10 years ago. At least when it sees a problem it's 4 or more hours into the future before the end users know it's going to happen. And at that, 70% of the time that homegrown monitor fixes the issue on it's own. Dick Goulet Senior Oracle DBA Oracle Certified 8i DBA -Original Message- Sent: Monday, September 08, 2003 3:09 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L NAW, Sounds like someone else needs to get a real production support job. Production issues ALL fall into one bucket, I needed to do something 10 minutes ago. If you think like that, jokingly or otherwise, you are likely to lock yourself into reactive mode versus proactive mode. I leave you to interpret that how you like. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Binley Lim INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Goulet, Dick INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Binley Lim INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.515 / Virus Database: 313 - Release Date: 01/09/2003 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system
RE: EM To Go
Mark Leith scribbled on the wall in glitter crayon: land line constantly whilst you are on call.. DBAs have lives too.. ;) OK, how come nobody ever told me i was allowed to have a life? and where the web site to order one?;-) -- Bill Shrek Thater ORACLE DBA BAARF Party member #25 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sorry no quote today. Visit QLiner.com. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Thater, William INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
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Dick, The obvious questions are: 1) what does it monitor? 2) what problems does it diagnose and fix on its own? Jared On Mon, 2003-09-08 at 13:14, Goulet, Dick wrote: Binley, I've spent more time than I care to remember in reactive mode. It stinks, which is most likely why I wrote my own database monitor 10 years ago. At least when it sees a problem it's 4 or more hours into the future before the end users know it's going to happen. And at that, 70% of the time that homegrown monitor fixes the issue on it's own. Dick Goulet Senior Oracle DBA Oracle Certified 8i DBA -Original Message- Sent: Monday, September 08, 2003 3:09 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L NAW, Sounds like someone else needs to get a real production support job. Production issues ALL fall into one bucket, I needed to do something 10 minutes ago. If you think like that, jokingly or otherwise, you are likely to lock yourself into reactive mode versus proactive mode. I leave you to interpret that how you like. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Binley Lim INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Goulet, Dick INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Jared Still INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: EM To Go
I be Ari Kaplan, designer and creator of Pocket DBA is not very happy. On the other hand he should be, they are following his idea. BTW, you can get a Palm VII [the dinosaur] for about $50 and it has a modem, probably more than you need to monitor a database. $70 with external keyboard. Luis -Original Message- Sent: Monday, September 08, 2003 7:30 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L http://www.infoworld.com/article/03/09/05/HNorremote_1.html Now if only I had a PDA. Patrice. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Boivin, Patrice J INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Luis deUrioste INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
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Patrice, We tried setting up Expand Beyond's Pocket DBA a couple of years ago. The biggest problem was the lack of wireless capabilities outside of major metropolitan areas. I believe that situation has improved somewhat, but it still needs a ton of work by the phone companies. Heck my cell phone is marginal at home. Dick Goulet Senior Oracle DBA Oracle Certified 8i DBA -Original Message- Sent: Monday, September 08, 2003 9:30 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L http://www.infoworld.com/article/03/09/05/HNorremote_1.html Now if only I had a PDA. Patrice. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Boivin, Patrice J INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Goulet, Dick INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
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I am interested in the Thera... Not going to happen anytime soon, I have to buy things like clothes and food. (sigh) Patrice. -Original Message- Sent: Monday, September 08, 2003 11:30 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L I be Ari Kaplan, designer and creator of Pocket DBA is not very happy. On the other hand he should be, they are following his idea. BTW, you can get a Palm VII [the dinosaur] for about $50 and it has a modem, probably more than you need to monitor a database. $70 with external keyboard. Luis -Original Message- Sent: Monday, September 08, 2003 7:30 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L http://www.infoworld.com/article/03/09/05/HNorremote_1.html Now if only I had a PDA. Patrice. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Boivin, Patrice J INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Luis deUrioste INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Boivin, Patrice J INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: EM To Go
Dick, This is actually one of the largest misconceptions with PocketDBA/PocketAdmin - the term wireless or having to use it on a WLAN (Wireless LAN).. You may notice now that Expand Beyond are marketing PocketDBA as a Mobile tool rather than a Wireless tool. You can use PocketDBA via a dial-up (from a mobile phone) to a RAS server or VPN - just the same as you would with a laptop. Over here in the UK we actually recommend that it's used this way - as opposed to touching an internet facing server, or over a WLAN.. We're not overly concerned about EM 2 Go right now - the Pocket tools are streets ahead of EM 2 Go from what we last heard. In my experience most people are looking for tools that can cover the breadth of their environments, and whether we like it or not, a lot of companies that are using Oracle also use SQLServer, or DB2 as well. With the Pocket tools you can manage your UNIX systems or any VT100 compliant system such as a hardware firewall or router (PocketAdmin Console), Windows environments such as domains, users, systems, Exchange Server etc. (PocketAdmin for Windows), and most of the major database vendors (Oracle, SQLServer, DB2 - Teradata in the next month). Can EM 2 Go do this? I think not... ;) I've not heard a lot about the functionality within EM 2 Go, the last we heard (at the start of this year) was that it was no where near PocketDBA. I've never seen or used EM 2 Go my self yet, so I'd be interested in comments from anybody that has! Cheers Mark === Mark Leith | T: +44 (0)1905 330 281 Sales Marketing | F: +44 (0)870 127 5283 Cool Tools UK Ltd | E: [EMAIL PROTECTED] === http://www.cool-tools.co.uk Maximising throughput performance -Original Message- Goulet, Dick Sent: 08 September 2003 15:35 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Patrice, We tried setting up Expand Beyond's Pocket DBA a couple of years ago. The biggest problem was the lack of wireless capabilities outside of major metropolitan areas. I believe that situation has improved somewhat, but it still needs a ton of work by the phone companies. Heck my cell phone is marginal at home. Dick Goulet Senior Oracle DBA Oracle Certified 8i DBA -Original Message- Sent: Monday, September 08, 2003 9:30 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L http://www.infoworld.com/article/03/09/05/HNorremote_1.html Now if only I had a PDA. Patrice. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Boivin, Patrice J INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Goulet, Dick INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.515 / Virus Database: 313 - Release Date: 01/09/2003 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.515 / Virus Database: 313 - Release Date: 01/09/2003 -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Mark Leith INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: EM To Go
IMHO, I cannot see a use for such a gadget. Production issues come under 2 categories: 1. It can wait until tomorrow. 2. I have to do something now. In the first case, I am happy to remain blissfully un-aware until I get to work. In the second case, I prefer a proper screen and keyboard to do the work. In this case, a pager is more than sufficient as a notification device. Anything else in between should have already been *proactively* alerted (and addressed) via a monitoring tool, or more effectively and reliably via a whole bunch of home-grow scripts. The options I have seen advertised for such a gadget include adding users or adding datafiles (which is probably obsolete with 10g anyway). If you have to do these things re-actively via a PDA, you have to seriously look at getting out of fire-fighting mode in the first place. In fact, I have never equated OEM with usefulness or reliability - remains to be seen what 10g is like. To be fair, all monitoring tools I have worked with, or evaluated, can only be ranked according to their degree of un-usability. - Original Message - To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2003 2:29 AM I be Ari Kaplan, designer and creator of Pocket DBA is not very happy. On the other hand he should be, they are following his idea. BTW, you can get a Palm VII [the dinosaur] for about $50 and it has a modem, probably more than you need to monitor a database. $70 with external keyboard. Luis -Original Message- Sent: Monday, September 08, 2003 7:30 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L http://www.infoworld.com/article/03/09/05/HNorremote_1.html Now if only I had a PDA. Patrice. -- -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Binley Lim INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
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I suppose I better find a new job then eh? ;) Mark (PocketDBA and monitoring/management tool Sales Support Critter) Leith -Original Message- Binley Lim Sent: 08 September 2003 17:49 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L IMHO, I cannot see a use for such a gadget. Production issues come under 2 categories: 1. It can wait until tomorrow. 2. I have to do something now. In the first case, I am happy to remain blissfully un-aware until I get to work. In the second case, I prefer a proper screen and keyboard to do the work. In this case, a pager is more than sufficient as a notification device. Anything else in between should have already been *proactively* alerted (and addressed) via a monitoring tool, or more effectively and reliably via a whole bunch of home-grow scripts. The options I have seen advertised for such a gadget include adding users or adding datafiles (which is probably obsolete with 10g anyway). If you have to do these things re-actively via a PDA, you have to seriously look at getting out of fire-fighting mode in the first place. In fact, I have never equated OEM with usefulness or reliability - remains to be seen what 10g is like. To be fair, all monitoring tools I have worked with, or evaluated, can only be ranked according to their degree of un-usability. - Original Message - To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2003 2:29 AM I be Ari Kaplan, designer and creator of Pocket DBA is not very happy. On the other hand he should be, they are following his idea. BTW, you can get a Palm VII [the dinosaur] for about $50 and it has a modem, probably more than you need to monitor a database. $70 with external keyboard. Luis -Original Message- Sent: Monday, September 08, 2003 7:30 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L http://www.infoworld.com/article/03/09/05/HNorremote_1.html Now if only I had a PDA. Patrice. -- -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Binley Lim INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.515 / Virus Database: 313 - Release Date: 01/09/2003 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.515 / Virus Database: 313 - Release Date: 01/09/2003 -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Mark Leith INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
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Mark, NAW, Sounds like someone else needs to get a real production support job. Production issues ALL fall into one bucket, I needed to do something 10 minutes ago. BTW: When I did eval PocketDBA it worked rather nicely with a regular browser, we just could not get it to work outside the immediate area doe to the lack of communications capability. Our Network/WAN admin is playing around with a GSM card from ATT. Looks VERY promising. Dick Goulet Senior Oracle DBA Oracle Certified 8i DBA -Original Message- Sent: Monday, September 08, 2003 12:59 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L I suppose I better find a new job then eh? ;) Mark (PocketDBA and monitoring/management tool Sales Support Critter) Leith -Original Message- Binley Lim Sent: 08 September 2003 17:49 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L IMHO, I cannot see a use for such a gadget. Production issues come under 2 categories: 1. It can wait until tomorrow. 2. I have to do something now. In the first case, I am happy to remain blissfully un-aware until I get to work. In the second case, I prefer a proper screen and keyboard to do the work. In this case, a pager is more than sufficient as a notification device. Anything else in between should have already been *proactively* alerted (and addressed) via a monitoring tool, or more effectively and reliably via a whole bunch of home-grow scripts. The options I have seen advertised for such a gadget include adding users or adding datafiles (which is probably obsolete with 10g anyway). If you have to do these things re-actively via a PDA, you have to seriously look at getting out of fire-fighting mode in the first place. In fact, I have never equated OEM with usefulness or reliability - remains to be seen what 10g is like. To be fair, all monitoring tools I have worked with, or evaluated, can only be ranked according to their degree of un-usability. - Original Message - To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2003 2:29 AM I be Ari Kaplan, designer and creator of Pocket DBA is not very happy. On the other hand he should be, they are following his idea. BTW, you can get a Palm VII [the dinosaur] for about $50 and it has a modem, probably more than you need to monitor a database. $70 with external keyboard. Luis -Original Message- Sent: Monday, September 08, 2003 7:30 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L http://www.infoworld.com/article/03/09/05/HNorremote_1.html Now if only I had a PDA. Patrice. -- -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Binley Lim INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.515 / Virus Database: 313 - Release Date: 01/09/2003 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.515 / Virus Database: 313 - Release Date: 01/09/2003 -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Mark Leith INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Goulet, Dick INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: EM To Go
NAW, Sounds like someone else needs to get a real production support job. Production issues ALL fall into one bucket, I needed to do something 10 minutes ago. If you think like that, jokingly or otherwise, you are likely to lock yourself into reactive mode versus proactive mode. I leave you to interpret that how you like. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Binley Lim INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: EM To Go
Hi! I once built a monitoring system for an European telco, having databases in about 10 countries to monitor. We already had made a very simple looking web interface for database monitoring and regular maintenance/decision tasks. When I got a request to put this monitoring environment mobile, I just found an open source WAP gateway from internet, installed tested it in 3 hours and voilà, ther I had a mobile monitoring system which our evey WAP enabled GSM owner could use. But that was back in WAP1.1 days, when there was no security implemented, thus we had to make our own smal dial-up centre for administration through cellphone. Management was _very_ surprised, they kind of expected from their previous experience, that the Great Mobilization Project would take up to half a year :) Tanel. - Original Message - To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 08, 2003 9:19 PM Mark, NAW, Sounds like someone else needs to get a real production support job. Production issues ALL fall into one bucket, I needed to do something 10 minutes ago. BTW: When I did eval PocketDBA it worked rather nicely with a regular browser, we just could not get it to work outside the immediate area doe to the lack of communications capability. Our Network/WAN admin is playing around with a GSM card from ATT. Looks VERY promising. Dick Goulet Senior Oracle DBA Oracle Certified 8i DBA -Original Message- Sent: Monday, September 08, 2003 12:59 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L I suppose I better find a new job then eh? ;) Mark (PocketDBA and monitoring/management tool Sales Support Critter) Leith -Original Message- Binley Lim Sent: 08 September 2003 17:49 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L IMHO, I cannot see a use for such a gadget. Production issues come under 2 categories: 1. It can wait until tomorrow. 2. I have to do something now. In the first case, I am happy to remain blissfully un-aware until I get to work. In the second case, I prefer a proper screen and keyboard to do the work. In this case, a pager is more than sufficient as a notification device. Anything else in between should have already been *proactively* alerted (and addressed) via a monitoring tool, or more effectively and reliably via a whole bunch of home-grow scripts. The options I have seen advertised for such a gadget include adding users or adding datafiles (which is probably obsolete with 10g anyway). If you have to do these things re-actively via a PDA, you have to seriously look at getting out of fire-fighting mode in the first place. In fact, I have never equated OEM with usefulness or reliability - remains to be seen what 10g is like. To be fair, all monitoring tools I have worked with, or evaluated, can only be ranked according to their degree of un-usability. - Original Message - To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2003 2:29 AM I be Ari Kaplan, designer and creator of Pocket DBA is not very happy. On the other hand he should be, they are following his idea. BTW, you can get a Palm VII [the dinosaur] for about $50 and it has a modem, probably more than you need to monitor a database. $70 with external keyboard. Luis -Original Message- Sent: Monday, September 08, 2003 7:30 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L http://www.infoworld.com/article/03/09/05/HNorremote_1.html Now if only I had a PDA. Patrice. -- -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Binley Lim INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.515 / Virus Database: 313 - Release Date: 01/09/2003 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.515 / Virus Database: 313 - Release Date: 01/09/2003 -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Mark Leith INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: EM To Go
Binley, I've spent more time than I care to remember in reactive mode. It stinks, which is most likely why I wrote my own database monitor 10 years ago. At least when it sees a problem it's 4 or more hours into the future before the end users know it's going to happen. And at that, 70% of the time that homegrown monitor fixes the issue on it's own. Dick Goulet Senior Oracle DBA Oracle Certified 8i DBA -Original Message- Sent: Monday, September 08, 2003 3:09 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L NAW, Sounds like someone else needs to get a real production support job. Production issues ALL fall into one bucket, I needed to do something 10 minutes ago. If you think like that, jokingly or otherwise, you are likely to lock yourself into reactive mode versus proactive mode. I leave you to interpret that how you like. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Binley Lim INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Goulet, Dick INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: EM To Go
Good, you have a much lesser need for a vendor-grown monitoring PDA-tool to address problems, reactively, on the fly then. That was my point and I'm glad you agree ;-) - Original Message - To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2003 8:14 AM Binley, I've spent more time than I care to remember in reactive mode. It stinks, which is most likely why I wrote my own database monitor 10 years ago. At least when it sees a problem it's 4 or more hours into the future before the end users know it's going to happen. And at that, 70% of the time that homegrown monitor fixes the issue on it's own. Dick Goulet Senior Oracle DBA Oracle Certified 8i DBA -Original Message- Sent: Monday, September 08, 2003 3:09 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L NAW, Sounds like someone else needs to get a real production support job. Production issues ALL fall into one bucket, I needed to do something 10 minutes ago. If you think like that, jokingly or otherwise, you are likely to lock yourself into reactive mode versus proactive mode. I leave you to interpret that how you like. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Binley Lim INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Goulet, Dick INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Binley Lim INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: EM To Go
Binley, For that purpose your dead on, but it would be good to have a PDA enabled tool that let me do user accounts/modifications, schema mods, and the like when I can't get to my laptop. Like when I'm stuck in traffic between buildings. (Damn cell phone) Dick Goulet Senior Oracle DBA Oracle Certified 8i DBA -Original Message- Sent: Monday, September 08, 2003 4:49 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Good, you have a much lesser need for a vendor-grown monitoring PDA-tool to address problems, reactively, on the fly then. That was my point and I'm glad you agree ;-) - Original Message - To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2003 8:14 AM Binley, I've spent more time than I care to remember in reactive mode. It stinks, which is most likely why I wrote my own database monitor 10 years ago. At least when it sees a problem it's 4 or more hours into the future before the end users know it's going to happen. And at that, 70% of the time that homegrown monitor fixes the issue on it's own. Dick Goulet Senior Oracle DBA Oracle Certified 8i DBA -Original Message- Sent: Monday, September 08, 2003 3:09 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L NAW, Sounds like someone else needs to get a real production support job. Production issues ALL fall into one bucket, I needed to do something 10 minutes ago. If you think like that, jokingly or otherwise, you are likely to lock yourself into reactive mode versus proactive mode. I leave you to interpret that how you like. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Binley Lim INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Goulet, Dick INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Binley Lim INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Goulet, Dick INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
