Re: Named users! - final clarification
The last quote I received had a minimum of 10 named users. Ron ROr mª¿ªm [EMAIL PROTECTED] 10/22/02 07:58AM Thanks folks for your replies on my initial query. Just to clarify by example, how many named user licences would I need for a database with following users. Forgetting minimum purchase requirements I suspect it's 3 is this correct? USERNAME -- SYS SYSTEM OUTLN DBSNMP BLOGSJ LARSONG GATESB - Seán O' Neill Organon (Ireland) Ltd. [subscribed: digest mode] This message, including attached files, may contain confidential information and is intended only for the use by the individual and/or the entity to which it is addressed. Any unauthorized use, dissemination of, or copying of the information contained herein is not allowed and may lead to irreparable harm and damage for which you may be held liable. If you receive this message in error or if it is intended for someone else please notify the sender by returning this e-mail immediately and delete the message. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: O'Neill, Sean INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Ron Rogers INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Named users! - final clarification
AFAIK minimum of 25 for EE since september Regards, Ed -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:root;fatcity.com] On Behalf Of Ron Rogers Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2002 4:34 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: Re: Named users! - final clarification The last quote I received had a minimum of 10 named users. Ron ROr mª¿ªm [EMAIL PROTECTED] 10/22/02 07:58AM Thanks folks for your replies on my initial query. Just to clarify by example, how many named user licences would I need for a database with following users. Forgetting minimum purchase requirements I suspect it's 3 is this correct? USERNAME -- SYS SYSTEM OUTLN DBSNMP BLOGSJ LARSONG GATESB - Seán O' Neill Organon (Ireland) Ltd. [subscribed: digest mode] This message, including attached files, may contain confidential information and is intended only for the use by the individual and/or the entity to which it is addressed. Any unauthorized use, dissemination of, or copying of the information contained herein is not allowed and may lead to irreparable harm and damage for which you may be held liable. If you receive this message in error or if it is intended for someone else please notify the sender by returning this e-mail immediately and delete the message. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: O'Neill, Sean INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Ron Rogers INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Edward Shevtsov INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: Named users! - final clarification
Based on Oracle definition of Named Users below I would have to say in your scenario that 7 Named Users are required. I would think the Oracle auto-generated Users are somewhat of a gray area. Perhaps others can clarify. Rick In named user licensing, the license specifies a number of named users, where a named user is an individual who is authorized to use Oracle on the specified computer. No limit is set on the number of sessions each user can have concurrently, or on the number of concurrent sessions for the database. Named user licensing allows a DBA to set a limit on the number of users that are defined in a database (LICENSE_MAX_USERS), including users connected via database links. Once this limit is reached, no one can create a new user. This mechanism assumes that each person accessing the database has a unique user name in the database and that no two (or more) people share a user name. Ron Rogers RROGERS@galot To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] tery.orgcc: Sent by: Subject: Re: Named users! - final clarification [EMAIL PROTECTED] om 10/22/2002 08:34 AM Please respond to ORACLE-L The last quote I received had a minimum of 10 named users. Ron ROr mª¿ªm [EMAIL PROTECTED] 10/22/02 07:58AM Thanks folks for your replies on my initial query. Just to clarify by example, how many named user licences would I need for a database
Re: Named users! - final clarification
I think that you got the concept wrong. Named users are NOT the userids define in the database. Named users are flesh and blood people that are using applications that access the database. So, if you have an application that use userid GATESB to access the database and you have Bill, Jones and Smith using this application you have 3 named users. Yechiel Adar Mehish - Original Message - To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2002 1:58 PM Thanks folks for your replies on my initial query. Just to clarify by example, how many named user licences would I need for a database with following users. Forgetting minimum purchase requirements I suspect it's 3 is this correct? USERNAME -- SYS SYSTEM OUTLN DBSNMP BLOGSJ LARSONG GATESB - Seán O' Neill Organon (Ireland) Ltd. [subscribed: digest mode] This message, including attached files, may contain confidential information and is intended only for the use by the individual and/or the entity to which it is addressed. Any unauthorized use, dissemination of, or copying of the information contained herein is not allowed and may lead to irreparable harm and damage for which you may be held liable. If you receive this message in error or if it is intended for someone else please notify the sender by returning this e-mail immediately and delete the message. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: O'Neill, Sean INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Yechiel Adar INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Named users!
Yes, I do. This ploy worked on some of the large corporations in the U.S. And I happen to know this worked on at least one large financial institution. RWB DENNIS WILLIAMS [EMAIL PROTECTED]@fatcity.com on 10/21/2002 01:48:54 PM Please respond to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: I have heard rumors that Oracle has tried out this interpretation on some clients. I have also heard some people were a bit outraged. Have you known anyone that paid up based on this interpretation? Dennis Williams DBA, 40%OCP Lifetouch, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Monday, October 21, 2002 10:31 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Oracle now say that if the database interacts with any other system that has users these must be counted too ! e.g. You have a database that runs a warehouse management system. If this receives orders from another ERP type system via an interface and this system can take internet orders, even if it has its own database license, then either you count all customers or use processor licensing. DENNIS WILLIAMS [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 21/10/2002 15:54 Please respond to ORACLE-L To:Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Subject:RE: Named users! Sean - I think you are recalling the old Concurrent Users. A named user is defined as follows: Named User: is defined as an individual authorized by you to use the programs which are installed on a single server or multiple servers, regardless of whether the individual is actively using the programs at any given time. A non human operated device will be counted as a Named User in addition to all individuals authorized to use the programs, if such devices can access the programs. If multiplexing hardware or software (e.g., a TAP monitor or a Web server product) is used, this number must be measured at the multiplexing front end. I feel a good measure today is that anyone who can even contemplate interacting with your database qualifies as a named user. Dennis Williams DBA, 40%OCP Lifetouch, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Monday, October 21, 2002 7:58 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Not a particularily technical query but a rather practical one. With a named user licence is one user taken per each username returned from a select username from dba_users? - Seán O' Neill Organon (Ireland) Ltd. [subscribed: digest mode] This message, including attached files, may contain confidential information and is intended only for the use by the individual and/or the entity to which it is addressed. Any unauthorized use, dissemination of, or copying of the information contained herein is not allowed and may lead to irreparable harm and damage for which you may be held liable. If you receive this message in error or if it is intended for someone else please notify the sender by returning this e-mail immediately and delete the message. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: O'Neill, Sean INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: DENNIS WILLIAMS INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: DENNIS WILLIAMS INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling
RE: Named users!
I have heard rumors that Oracle has tried out this interpretation on some clients. I have also heard some people were a bit outraged. Have you known anyone that paid up based on this interpretation? Dennis Williams DBA, 40%OCP Lifetouch, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Monday, October 21, 2002 10:31 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Oracle now say that if the database interacts with any other system that has users these must be counted too ! e.g. You have a database that runs a warehouse management system. If this receives orders from another ERP type system via an interface and this system can take internet orders, even if it has its own database license, then either you count all customers or use processor licensing. DENNIS WILLIAMS [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 21/10/2002 15:54 Please respond to ORACLE-L To:Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Subject:RE: Named users! Sean - I think you are recalling the old Concurrent Users. A named user is defined as follows: Named User: is defined as an individual authorized by you to use the programs which are installed on a single server or multiple servers, regardless of whether the individual is actively using the programs at any given time. A non human operated device will be counted as a Named User in addition to all individuals authorized to use the programs, if such devices can access the programs. If multiplexing hardware or software (e.g., a TAP monitor or a Web server product) is used, this number must be measured at the multiplexing front end. I feel a good measure today is that anyone who can even contemplate interacting with your database qualifies as a named user. Dennis Williams DBA, 40%OCP Lifetouch, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Monday, October 21, 2002 7:58 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Not a particularily technical query but a rather practical one. With a named user licence is one user taken per each username returned from a select username from dba_users? - Seán O' Neill Organon (Ireland) Ltd. [subscribed: digest mode] This message, including attached files, may contain confidential information and is intended only for the use by the individual and/or the entity to which it is addressed. Any unauthorized use, dissemination of, or copying of the information contained herein is not allowed and may lead to irreparable harm and damage for which you may be held liable. If you receive this message in error or if it is intended for someone else please notify the sender by returning this e-mail immediately and delete the message. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: O'Neill, Sean INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: DENNIS WILLIAMS INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: DENNIS WILLIAMS INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: Named users!
Seán, I don't believe that is the situation. We have named users license for the development server where there are 3 developers and 2 testers, But the dba_users lists all 250 users that are on the production system. Each user can have a different role or table access allowed and must be tested properly. It comes down to a matter of integrity and honesty when dealing with the licenses. 10 Named users allows up to 10 people to use the product legally. Ron ROR mª¿ªm [EMAIL PROTECTED] 10/21/02 08:58AM Not a particularily technical query but a rather practical one. With a named user licence is one user taken per each username returned from a select username from dba_users? - Seán O' Neill Organon (Ireland) Ltd. [subscribed: digest mode] This message, including attached files, may contain confidential information and is intended only for the use by the individual and/or the entity to which it is addressed. Any unauthorized use, dissemination of, or copying of the information contained herein is not allowed and may lead to irreparable harm and damage for which you may be held liable. If you receive this message in error or if it is intended for someone else please notify the sender by returning this e-mail immediately and delete the message. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: O'Neill, Sean INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Ron Rogers INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Named users!
Sean - I think you are recalling the old Concurrent Users. A named user is defined as follows: Named User: is defined as an individual authorized by you to use the programs which are installed on a single server or multiple servers, regardless of whether the individual is actively using the programs at any given time. A non human operated device will be counted as a Named User in addition to all individuals authorized to use the programs, if such devices can access the programs. If multiplexing hardware or software (e.g., a TAP monitor or a Web server product) is used, this number must be measured at the multiplexing front end. I feel a good measure today is that anyone who can even contemplate interacting with your database qualifies as a named user. Dennis Williams DBA, 40%OCP Lifetouch, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Monday, October 21, 2002 7:58 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Not a particularily technical query but a rather practical one. With a named user licence is one user taken per each username returned from a select username from dba_users? - Seán O' Neill Organon (Ireland) Ltd. [subscribed: digest mode] This message, including attached files, may contain confidential information and is intended only for the use by the individual and/or the entity to which it is addressed. Any unauthorized use, dissemination of, or copying of the information contained herein is not allowed and may lead to irreparable harm and damage for which you may be held liable. If you receive this message in error or if it is intended for someone else please notify the sender by returning this e-mail immediately and delete the message. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: O'Neill, Sean INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: DENNIS WILLIAMS INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
