Re: stress testing

2004-01-05 Thread tjambu_fatcity
Hi Tim

Tony Jambu here.  Saw your posting to Oracle-l with regards
to your sp_vmstat.sh script.  I am not sure if know but
I write a regular hints & tips column for Select Journal.
I read your article and would like to mention your script and
point people to the script. Do you mind if I mention it and 
also to point them to somewhere  where they are able to get a copy
of it?  Dont want them hassling you and sending emails requesting it.
Let me know what you think

ta
tony


At 09:14 AM 03/01/2004 -0800, Tim Gorman wrote:

>Henry,
>
>I use the attached shell script to gather and store VMSTAT information in a
>custom table within the PERFSTAT schema (i.e. schema belonging to
>STATSPACK).  Allows for some nice reporting over time, rather than
>"anecdotal" here-and-there observations.  Should work OK on Solaris, HP, and
>Linux.
>
>Be aware:  the script expects to use the standard "oraenv" and "dbhome"
>scripts to set up the Oracle environment variables, and expects a "hidden"
>file in the $HOME directory of the owner's UNIX account for storing Oracle
>passwords, and also has optional functionality to email/page in the event of
>trouble.
>
>Hope this helps...
>
>-Tim
>
>on 1/2/04 11:54 AM, Poras, Henry R. at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>> We are planning on running some stress tests on a PeopleSoft/Oracle/Solaris
>> system starting next week (using LoadRunner). I have never gone through a
>> formalized stress test before (most of my stress is brought about informally).
>> So far I am planning to gather statspack information, and periodically get
>> vmstat from the OS. Is there anything else that I should collect? Thanks for
>> the
>> help.
>> 
>> Henry
>

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RE: stress testing

2004-01-05 Thread Poras, Henry R.
Good catch on the array. I never noticed that.

Henry


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Jared Still
Sent: Monday, January 05, 2004 10:59 AM
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The patch I refer to is one I made that didn't make it into 
the most recent version of yapppack.

YP uses an array as internal storage, and walks through it
with a for i in 1..n loop.  Since arrays are sparsely populated
there is a fair chance of hitting an array element that does
not exist.

The patch consists of rewriting the loop with array.first/next/last
in a while loop to avoid the problem.

Yes, it is high level, but it can pinpoint time periods that you
may want to investigate.

Jared


On Mon, 2004-01-05 at 06:19, Poras, Henry R. wrote:
> Jared,
>  
> Are you talking about yapppack? I've been using that for a while (nice
display.
> Though like statspack it is system wide so I usually just look for high
level
> stuff and changes). Not aware of a patch though. 
>  
> With most peoplesoft applications I have seen, the bottlenecks aren't
database
> related, though I still need to get all appropriate data. That means
application
> server, OS (NT for app server, Sun for Oracle), web server,  ... stuff
too. I'm
> still trying to find what numbers the tool itself gathers, and if/how it
> analyzes the stuff. In the meantime, I've been reviewing some of the
papers on
> orapub (i.e. Ratio Modeling, Predicting Computing System Capacity and
> Throughput).
>  
> Thanks.
>  
> Henry
>  
> 
> -Original Message-
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Friday, January 02, 2004 2:19 PM
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> 
> 
> 
> As the ultimate indicator of performance is response time, you might like
to
> investigate YAPP 
> at http://www.miracleas.dk/.  The data generated gives a good indicator of
> response time from 
> a database perspective. 
> 
> If you use it, ask me for the patch. 
> 
> Jared 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>   "Poras, Henry R." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
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> 
>  01/02/2004 10:54 AM 
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> 
> 
> 
> We are planning on running some stress tests on a
PeopleSoft/Oracle/Solaris
> system starting next week (using LoadRunner). I have never gone through a
> formalized stress test before (most of my stress is brought about
informally).
> So far I am planning to gather statspack information, and periodically get
> vmstat from the OS. Is there anything else that I should collect? Thanks
for the
> help.
> 
> Henry
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RE: stress testing

2004-01-05 Thread Jared Still
The patch I refer to is one I made that didn't make it into 
the most recent version of yapppack.

YP uses an array as internal storage, and walks through it
with a for i in 1..n loop.  Since arrays are sparsely populated
there is a fair chance of hitting an array element that does
not exist.

The patch consists of rewriting the loop with array.first/next/last
in a while loop to avoid the problem.

Yes, it is high level, but it can pinpoint time periods that you
may want to investigate.

Jared


On Mon, 2004-01-05 at 06:19, Poras, Henry R. wrote:
> Jared,
>  
> Are you talking about yapppack? I've been using that for a while (nice display.
> Though like statspack it is system wide so I usually just look for high level
> stuff and changes). Not aware of a patch though. 
>  
> With most peoplesoft applications I have seen, the bottlenecks aren't database
> related, though I still need to get all appropriate data. That means application
> server, OS (NT for app server, Sun for Oracle), web server,  ... stuff too. I'm
> still trying to find what numbers the tool itself gathers, and if/how it
> analyzes the stuff. In the meantime, I've been reviewing some of the papers on
> orapub (i.e. Ratio Modeling, Predicting Computing System Capacity and
> Throughput).
>  
> Thanks.
>  
> Henry
>  
> 
> -Original Message-
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Friday, January 02, 2004 2:19 PM
> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> 
> 
> 
> As the ultimate indicator of performance is response time, you might like to
> investigate YAPP 
> at http://www.miracleas.dk/.  The data generated gives a good indicator of
> response time from 
> a database perspective. 
> 
> If you use it, ask me for the patch. 
> 
> Jared 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>   "Poras, Henry R." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> 
> 
>  01/02/2004 10:54 AM 
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> 
> 
> 
> To:Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> cc: 
> Subject:stress testing
> 
> 
> 
> We are planning on running some stress tests on a PeopleSoft/Oracle/Solaris
> system starting next week (using LoadRunner). I have never gone through a
> formalized stress test before (most of my stress is brought about informally).
> So far I am planning to gather statspack information, and periodically get
> vmstat from the OS. Is there anything else that I should collect? Thanks for the
> help.
> 
> Henry
> 
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RE: stress testing

2004-01-05 Thread Poras, Henry R.
John, 

Thanks for the tip. I've used sar and vmstat, but not in enough depth to have
any preferences. So far I don't have permissions for sar at this site, but I
should be able to get that.

Henry


-Original Message-
John Kanagaraj
Sent: Friday, January 02, 2004 2:29 PM
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Henry,

Sar is a better tool than vmstat/iostat as it collects a broad range of
information. Specifically, sar -q should show up CPU queueing and swapping,
and sar -v will show up file/process table overflow issues that may occur
during stress testing. IMHO, sar is quite underutilized ( had a paper on
this last IOUG, but couldn't go and present it :(

John Kanagaraj
DB Soft Inc
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>-Original Message-
>From: Poras, Henry R. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
>Sent: Friday, January 02, 2004 10:54 AM
>To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
>Subject: stress testing
>
>
>We are planning on running some stress tests on a 
>PeopleSoft/Oracle/Solaris
>system starting next week (using LoadRunner). I have never 
>gone through a
>formalized stress test before (most of my stress is brought 
>about informally).
>So far I am planning to gather statspack information, and 
>periodically get
>vmstat from the OS. Is there anything else that I should 
>collect? Thanks for the
>help.
>
>Henry
>
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RE: stress testing

2004-01-05 Thread Poras, Henry R.



Jared,
 
Are 
you talking about yapppack? I've been using that for a while (nice display. 
Though like statspack it is system wide so I usually just look for high level 
stuff and changes). Not aware of a patch though. 
 
With 
most peoplesoft applications I have seen, the bottlenecks aren't database 
related, though I still need to get all appropriate data. That means application 
server, OS (NT for app server, Sun for Oracle), web server,  ... 
stuff too. I'm still trying to find what numbers the tool itself gathers, and 
if/how it analyzes the stuff. In the meantime, I've been reviewing some of the 
papers on orapub (i.e. Ratio Modeling, Predicting Computing System Capacity and 
Throughput).
 
Thanks.
 
Henry
 

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  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Friday, January 02, 2004 2:19 
  PMTo: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-LSubject: Re: 
  stress testingAs the 
  ultimate indicator of performance is response time, you might like to 
  investigate YAPP at 
  http://www.miracleas.dk/.  The data generated gives a good indicator of 
  response time from a database 
  perspective. If you use it, ask me 
  for the patch. Jared 
  
  


  
  "Poras, Henry R." 
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  Subject:        stress 
  testingWe are planning on running some stress tests on a 
  PeopleSoft/Oracle/Solarissystem starting next week (using LoadRunner). I 
  have never gone through aformalized stress test before (most of my stress 
  is brought about informally).So far I am planning to gather statspack 
  information, and periodically getvmstat from the OS. Is there anything 
  else that I should collect? Thanks for thehelp.Henry-- 
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Re: stress testing

2004-01-03 Thread Tim Gorman
Henry,

I use the attached shell script to gather and store VMSTAT information in a
custom table within the PERFSTAT schema (i.e. schema belonging to
STATSPACK).  Allows for some nice reporting over time, rather than
"anecdotal" here-and-there observations.  Should work OK on Solaris, HP, and
Linux.

Be aware:  the script expects to use the standard "oraenv" and "dbhome"
scripts to set up the Oracle environment variables, and expects a "hidden"
file in the $HOME directory of the owner's UNIX account for storing Oracle
passwords, and also has optional functionality to email/page in the event of
trouble.

Hope this helps...

-Tim

on 1/2/04 11:54 AM, Poras, Henry R. at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> We are planning on running some stress tests on a PeopleSoft/Oracle/Solaris
> system starting next week (using LoadRunner). I have never gone through a
> formalized stress test before (most of my stress is brought about informally).
> So far I am planning to gather statspack information, and periodically get
> vmstat from the OS. Is there anything else that I should collect? Thanks for
> the
> help.
> 
> Henry



sp_vmstat.sh
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Re: stress testing

2004-01-02 Thread Tanel Poder
And when you're doing stress testing, make sure you load your system for
quite long time.
Stress testing shouldn't only verify system performance, but it should also
test system's reliability.

One of my clients had a problem with Oracle Apps, where they did a stress
test for just one hour and concluded that the performance was acceptable.
But one of the components in Apps (forms server) started just hanging after
5-6 hours of usage in their system, so if they had done an automated stress
test over a weekend or even more, they'd have found it.

Also, any kind of testing should simulate "real life", if possible -
otherwise you'll get results which might not match with future production
usage all. That means, the amounts of data should be similar, if you can use
a copy of "real system" for testing it'd be the best, also note that there
are probably different usage patterns in your future system (such as
month/year ending, campaign periods in retail businesses etc) so your system
has to cope with all of them.

Tanel.

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Sent: Friday, January 02, 2004 9:29 PM


> Henry,
>
> Sar is a better tool than vmstat/iostat as it collects a broad range of
> information. Specifically, sar -q should show up CPU queueing and
swapping,
> and sar -v will show up file/process table overflow issues that may occur
> during stress testing. IMHO, sar is quite underutilized ( had a paper
on
> this last IOUG, but couldn't go and present it :(
>
> John Kanagaraj
> DB Soft Inc
> Phone: 408-970-7002 (W)
>
> Grace - Getting something we do NOT deserve
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> available!
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> ** The opinions and facts contained in this message are entirely mine and
do
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>
> >-Original Message-
> >From: Poras, Henry R. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >Sent: Friday, January 02, 2004 10:54 AM
> >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> >Subject: stress testing
> >
> >
> >We are planning on running some stress tests on a
> >PeopleSoft/Oracle/Solaris
> >system starting next week (using LoadRunner). I have never
> >gone through a
> >formalized stress test before (most of my stress is brought
> >about informally).
> >So far I am planning to gather statspack information, and
> >periodically get
> >vmstat from the OS. Is there anything else that I should
> >collect? Thanks for the
> >help.
> >
> >Henry
> >
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RE: stress testing

2004-01-02 Thread Karniotis, Stephen
Henry:

   John is partially correct.  SAR, in concert with VMSTAT / IOSTAT, will
provide you with a wealth of information.  However, something is missing
from the equation here.  LoadRunner will generate scattered statistics on
overall performance of an application (sorry:  biased because Compuware has
a better tool), but misses the mark on what other things could affect
overall application performance.  For example, are you doing to perform a
"virgin" load test where no one is on the network and nothing but this
application is running on the client?  What about other traffic that would
affect overall performance throughout your enterprise network? What about
other applications/activities running on the client machines performing the
load test.  Only then will you have an effective measurement of application
performance in the real world.

   If you truly have to use LoadRunner, get some software that can measure
Network Performance as it relates to the load test and as it relates to
general network traffic.  The load test should account for other activity
being performed such as email, backups, file transfers, reading of
documents, etc.  Otherwise, your numbers will be skewed.

  Good luck.

Thank You

Stephen P. Karniotis
Technical Alliance Manager
Compuware Corporation
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 -Original Message-
John Kanagaraj
Sent:   Friday, January 02, 2004 2:29 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
Subject:    RE: stress testing

Henry,

Sar is a better tool than vmstat/iostat as it collects a broad range of
information. Specifically, sar -q should show up CPU queueing and swapping,
and sar -v will show up file/process table overflow issues that may occur
during stress testing. IMHO, sar is quite underutilized ( had a paper on
this last IOUG, but couldn't go and present it :(

John Kanagaraj
DB Soft Inc
Phone: 408-970-7002 (W)

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>-Original Message-
>From: Poras, Henry R. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
>Sent: Friday, January 02, 2004 10:54 AM
>To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
>Subject: stress testing
>
>
>We are planning on running some stress tests on a 
>PeopleSoft/Oracle/Solaris
>system starting next week (using LoadRunner). I have never 
>gone through a
>formalized stress test before (most of my stress is brought 
>about informally).
>So far I am planning to gather statspack information, and 
>periodically get
>vmstat from the OS. Is there anything else that I should 
>collect? Thanks for the
>help.
>
>Henry
>
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RE: stress testing

2004-01-02 Thread John Kanagaraj
Henry,

Sar is a better tool than vmstat/iostat as it collects a broad range of
information. Specifically, sar -q should show up CPU queueing and swapping,
and sar -v will show up file/process table overflow issues that may occur
during stress testing. IMHO, sar is quite underutilized ( had a paper on
this last IOUG, but couldn't go and present it :(

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>We are planning on running some stress tests on a 
>PeopleSoft/Oracle/Solaris
>system starting next week (using LoadRunner). I have never 
>gone through a
>formalized stress test before (most of my stress is brought 
>about informally).
>So far I am planning to gather statspack information, and 
>periodically get
>vmstat from the OS. Is there anything else that I should 
>collect? Thanks for the
>help.
>
>Henry
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Re: stress testing

2004-01-02 Thread Jared . Still

As the ultimate indicator of performance is response time, you might like to investigate YAPP
at http://www.miracleas.dk/.  The data generated gives a good indicator of response time from
a database perspective.

If you use it, ask me for the patch.

Jared








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We are planning on running some stress tests on a PeopleSoft/Oracle/Solaris
system starting next week (using LoadRunner). I have never gone through a
formalized stress test before (most of my stress is brought about informally).
So far I am planning to gather statspack information, and periodically get
vmstat from the OS. Is there anything else that I should collect? Thanks for the
help.

Henry

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