Re: thanks all/OCP
Cyril, we need some encouragements on those who has the experiences and also has ocp. As Rafig said, if I don't continue updated my ocp, I just know something I have done, limited to my experiences. With ocp, I know WHAT, then I know HOW Joan M Rafiq wrote: Cyril, One positive point... It force you to study all upgrade material and read through different aspect of oracle which we normally not read that thoroughly. It always helped me to do ocp upgrade exam to read more of new features else I was not reading it. however, it is not a replacement of my experience of 15 years with oracle(since ver 4 DOS and ver 5(unix) Regards Rafiq Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sun, 25 May 2003 19:16:19 -0800 Hello, I do hope the ocp 'looks well' on ur resume! and 'goes down well' with interviewers ! I personally think OCP has lost credibility for the following reasons a. People are known to get through using the 'jack pot method' (ie close ur eyes and pray and click the option!) b. People are known to sms the answers!!! c. Finally everyone in the industry seems to know that if not the 1st attempt atleast by the 3rd attempt people 'have to get through' Stuff like the above have made interviewers all over wary of OCP candidates who mouth a lot of jargon without the necessary experience. This creates a unique problem where a candidate is likely to have a 'false sense of confidence' just because he 'read something somewhere' and this makes it difficult for the interviewer to 'imagine the candidate in his team working on workarounds ;)' and difficult for the candidate to 'learn' So the interviewer is likely to take the 'safe option' of hiring a guy who has 'genuinely worked 10%' at 10% pay rather than hire a guy who has 'genuinely worked 10%' done OCP (10i!hahaha) and expects to be paid 100% and has airs :( All the best Cyril PS: By the way Oracle claims that OCPs get paid more... I have not seen such a thing...if 'someone around here' has 'seen such a thing' wellgood...:) IMHO OCP is one good money making idea Oracle Education developed...why didnt I think of it earlier :( On Mon, 26 May 2003 DENNIS WILLIAMS wrote : Congratulations! Well, was it as hard as you thought it was going to be? Dennis Williams DBA, 80%OCP, 100% DBA Lifetouch, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Friday, May 23, 2003 5:37 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Hello list thanks to you all and with the almighty's blessings i passed my 1ZO-031 9i dba fundamentals 1 today. Thanks for all the help and advice ... -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: [EMAIL PROTECTED] INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: DENNIS WILLIAMS INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). ___ Impress your clients! Send mail from me @ mycompany.com . Just Rs.1499/year. Click http://www.rediffmailpro.com to know more. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Cyril Thankappan INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command
Re: thanks all/OCP
Joan excellent. thanks, Regards Rafiq Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 11:09:41 -0800 Cyril, we need some encouragements on those who has the experiences and also has ocp. As Rafig said, if I don't continue updated my ocp, I just know something I have done, limited to my experiences. With ocp, I know WHAT, then I know HOW Joan M Rafiq wrote: Cyril, One positive point... It force you to study all upgrade material and read through different aspect of oracle which we normally not read that thoroughly. It always helped me to do ocp upgrade exam to read more of new features else I was not reading it. however, it is not a replacement of my experience of 15 years with oracle(since ver 4 DOS and ver 5(unix) Regards Rafiq Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sun, 25 May 2003 19:16:19 -0800 Hello, I do hope the ocp 'looks well' on ur resume! and 'goes down well' with interviewers ! I personally think OCP has lost credibility for the following reasons a. People are known to get through using the 'jack pot method' (ie close ur eyes and pray and click the option!) b. People are known to sms the answers!!! c. Finally everyone in the industry seems to know that if not the 1st attempt atleast by the 3rd attempt people 'have to get through' Stuff like the above have made interviewers all over wary of OCP candidates who mouth a lot of jargon without the necessary experience. This creates a unique problem where a candidate is likely to have a 'false sense of confidence' just because he 'read something somewhere' and this makes it difficult for the interviewer to 'imagine the candidate in his team working on workarounds ;)' and difficult for the candidate to 'learn' So the interviewer is likely to take the 'safe option' of hiring a guy who has 'genuinely worked 10%' at 10% pay rather than hire a guy who has 'genuinely worked 10%' done OCP (10i!hahaha) and expects to be paid 100% and has airs :( All the best Cyril PS: By the way Oracle claims that OCPs get paid more... I have not seen such a thing...if 'someone around here' has 'seen such a thing' wellgood...:) IMHO OCP is one good money making idea Oracle Education developed...why didnt I think of it earlier :( On Mon, 26 May 2003 DENNIS WILLIAMS wrote : Congratulations! Well, was it as hard as you thought it was going to be? Dennis Williams DBA, 80%OCP, 100% DBA Lifetouch, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Friday, May 23, 2003 5:37 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Hello list thanks to you all and with the almighty's blessings i passed my 1ZO-031 9i dba fundamentals 1 today. Thanks for all the help and advice ... -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: [EMAIL PROTECTED] INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: DENNIS WILLIAMS INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). ___ Impress your clients! Send mail from me @ mycompany.com . Just Rs.1499/year. Click http://www.rediffmailpro.com to know more. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Cyril Thankappan INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the
Re: Re: thanks all/OCP
Hi, I am sorry if I sounded discouraging. That wasnt the idea. anyway if the idea or point was missed I guess it is not anyway worth labouring on it :) Best Regards Cyril On Wed, 28 May 2003 Joan Hsieh wrote : Cyril, we need some encouragements on those who has the experiences and also has ocp. As Rafig said, if I don't continue updated my ocp, I just know something I have done, limited to my experiences. With ocp, I know WHAT, then I know HOW Joan M Rafiq wrote: Cyril, One positive point... It force you to study all upgrade material and read through different aspect of oracle which we normally not read that thoroughly. It always helped me to do ocp upgrade exam to read more of new features else I was not reading it. however, it is not a replacement of my experience of 15 years with oracle(since ver 4 DOS and ver 5(unix) Regards Rafiq Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sun, 25 May 2003 19:16:19 -0800 Hello, I do hope the ocp 'looks well' on ur resume! and 'goes down well' with interviewers ! I personally think OCP has lost credibility for the following reasons a. People are known to get through using the 'jack pot method' (ie close ur eyes and pray and click the option!) b. People are known to sms the answers!!! c. Finally everyone in the industry seems to know that if not the 1st attempt atleast by the 3rd attempt people 'have to get through' Stuff like the above have made interviewers all over wary of OCP candidates who mouth a lot of jargon without the necessary experience. This creates a unique problem where a candidate is likely to have a 'false sense of confidence' just because he 'read something somewhere' and this makes it difficult for the interviewer to 'imagine the candidate in his team working on workarounds ;)' and difficult for the candidate to 'learn' So the interviewer is likely to take the 'safe option' of hiring a guy who has 'genuinely worked 10%' at 10% pay rather than hire a guy who has 'genuinely worked 10%' done OCP (10i!hahaha) and expects to be paid 100% and has airs :( All the best Cyril PS: By the way Oracle claims that OCPs get paid more... I have not seen such a thing...if 'someone around here' has 'seen such a thing' wellgood...:) IMHO OCP is one good money making idea Oracle Education developed...why didnt I think of it earlier :( On Mon, 26 May 2003 DENNIS WILLIAMS wrote : Congratulations! Well, was it as hard as you thought it was going to be? Dennis Williams DBA, 80%OCP, 100% DBA Lifetouch, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Friday, May 23, 2003 5:37 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Hello list thanks to you all and with the almighty's blessings i passed my 1ZO-031 9i dba fundamentals 1 today. Thanks for all the help and advice ... -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: [EMAIL PROTECTED] INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: DENNIS WILLIAMS INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). ___ Impress your clients! Send mail from me @ mycompany.com . Just Rs.1499/year. Click http://www.rediffmailpro.com to know more. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Cyril Thankappan INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting
