Re: Snapshot too old during stress test... how to avoid

2003-06-05 Thread Jared . Still
... and if it still doesn't work, use the trick of putting a transaction 
in
each of the rollback segments while the system is otherwise quiesced,
and *do not* commit or rollback the transactions.

This forces the rollbacks to extend if necessary, they will never wrap
back to the first extent ( actually the second) as long as those 
transactions
are not committed.

It just uses a lot of disk space.  Disk is cheap, right?  :) 

Consider offlining all your production RBS and creating temporary ones
that you can easily drop later.

I've used it with SAP client copies, which will not run to completion 
without
doing this, at least on our system.

Jared





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Try removing optimal setting, and shrinking RBS to the min extents (or 
even below) before running
your tests. 

- Kirti 


--- Garry Gillies [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 From memory (of a course attended looong ago),
 Oracle recommends one rollback segment for every
 three to four users.
 Four rollback segments between thirty six processes
 does seem a little mean.
 
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 Im testing worst case scenarios right now. So Im doing batch 
 updates,inserts,deletes and 'create table as' from a staging tablespace 
of 
 approximately 5GBs to a master tablespace of approximately 11GBs.
 
 Ive got my job queue processes set to 36 and Im running 36 at a time in 
 the background in order to gather statistics and timing under worst case 

 scenarios. 
 
 Im in 8.1.7.3 and I have increased the size of my RBS tablespace to 11GB 

 for this test. I have 4 standard RBS with optimal size set to 1GB. Why 
 would I get a snapshot too old? I would think that 11GBs of rollback 
would 
 be big enough. Would increasing the number of Rollback segments avoid 
this 
 even though I have the same amount of space in the tablespace? 
 
 In reality Im going to seriallize the process to avoid this and to 
improve 
 performance, however, I want to stress the system.
 
 any advice? 
 
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Re: Snapshot too old during stress test... how to avoid

2003-06-05 Thread Tim Gorman
Speaking of this trick with a txn in each RBS, I've got a shell script on my
website (http://www.evdbt.com/tools.htm) that does just that.  It is named
prevent1555.sh which uses a stored procedure created by a SQL script named
prevent1555_ddl.sql...

As Jared mentioned, it is kind of a last resort, but it works...




on 6/4/03 4:05 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 .. and if it still doesn't work, use the trick of putting a transaction
 in
 each of the rollback segments while the system is otherwise quiesced,
 and *do not* commit or rollback the transactions.
 
 This forces the rollbacks to extend if necessary, they will never wrap
 back to the first extent ( actually the second) as long as those
 transactions
 are not committed.
 
 It just uses a lot of disk space.  Disk is cheap, right?  :)
 
 Consider offlining all your production RBS and creating temporary ones
 that you can easily drop later.
 
 I've used it with SAP client copies, which will not run to completion
 without
 doing this, at least on our system.
 
 Jared
 
 
 
 
 
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 Try removing optimal setting, and shrinking RBS to the min extents (or
 even below) before running
 your tests. 
 
 - Kirti 
 
 
 --- Garry Gillies [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 From memory (of a course attended looong ago),
 Oracle recommends one rollback segment for every
 three to four users.
 Four rollback segments between thirty six processes
 does seem a little mean.
 
 Garry 
 
 
 
 
 
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 Im testing worst case scenarios right now. So Im doing batch
 updates,inserts,deletes and 'create table as' from a staging tablespace
 of 
 approximately 5GBs to a master tablespace of approximately 11GBs.
 
 Ive got my job queue processes set to 36 and Im running 36 at a time in
 the background in order to gather statistics and timing under worst case
 
 scenarios. 
 
 Im in 8.1.7.3 and I have increased the size of my RBS tablespace to 11GB
 
 for this test. I have 4 standard RBS with optimal size set to 1GB. Why
 would I get a snapshot too old? I would think that 11GBs of rollback
 would 
 be big enough. Would increasing the number of Rollback segments avoid
 this 
 even though I have the same amount of space in the tablespace?
 
 In reality Im going to seriallize the process to avoid this and to
 improve 
 performance, however, I want to stress the system.
 
 any advice? 
 
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RE: OCP Test Order

2003-06-04 Thread Paula_Stankus
Title: RE: OCP Test Order





to tell the truth the networking exam is basically some rote memorization and the questions are straightforward - I prepared while waiting 1/2 hour to take exam at most.

The performance tuning exam is what I have been told to immediately forget by some certifiable guru's. Basically, not all of it is incorrect but this will be one area you will be studying again from time to time as new versions and new information becomes available and with your own experiences - IMHO. 

Bottom-line: Don't think it much matters the perf. tuning exam is slightly more to remember then networking. Good luck. Just get it done and don't fret too much about it. It won't and shouldn't be your final studying by a long-shot. 

I did BR first because it was my #1 priority and I believe the most applicable - good refresher.
I did Perf. tuning next.
I did networking as a get this over with certification thing.


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Hello:


I resently finished my 8i Backup and Recovery test and was thinking about 
taking the 8i Networking testing before performance tuning. I was wondering 
if those of you that have taken both test feel that would be an ok choice of 
action or would taking performance tuning first be better?


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test delete

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Snapshot too old during stress test... how to avoid

2003-06-04 Thread rgaffuri
Im testing worst case scenarios right now. So Im doing batch updates,inserts,deletes 
and 'create table as' from a staging tablespace of approximately 5GBs to a master 
tablespace of approximately 11GBs.

Ive got my job queue processes set to 36 and Im running 36 at a time in the background 
in order to gather statistics and timing under worst case scenarios. 

Im in 8.1.7.3 and I have increased the size of my RBS tablespace to 11GB for this 
test. I have 4 standard RBS with optimal size set to 1GB. Why would I get a snapshot 
too old? I would think that 11GBs of rollback would be big enough. Would increasing 
the number of Rollback segments avoid this even though I have the same amount of space 
in the tablespace? 

In reality Im going to seriallize the process to avoid this and to improve 
performance, however, I want to stress the system.

any advice? 

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OCP Test Order

2003-06-03 Thread Jay Wade
Hello:

I resently finished my 8i Backup and Recovery test and was thinking about 
taking the 8i Networking testing before performance tuning.  I was wondering 
if those of you that have taken both test feel that would be an ok choice of 
action or would taking performance tuning first be better?

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RE: OCP Test Order

2003-06-03 Thread DENNIS WILLIAMS
Jay - Personally I did the Tuning exam next after BR and saved the Network
for last because most of it is new to me. The BR and Tuning exams share
quite a bit of material in terms of they both require a clear understanding
of the Oracle architecture, how the rollback, redo, SGA, etc. all interact.
Obviously the thrust of the questions are different, with the BR
emphasizing integrity and Tuning emphasizing performance. Networking doesn't
share anything with the other modules other than it touches on MTS. So I
would vote to go ahead and hit the Tuning next.

Dennis Williams
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Hello:

I resently finished my 8i Backup and Recovery test and was thinking about 
taking the 8i Networking testing before performance tuning.  I was wondering

if those of you that have taken both test feel that would be an ok choice of

action or would taking performance tuning first be better?

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Re: Test

2003-03-24 Thread Ruth Gramolini



You passed!! Ruth

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Test

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Test

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Test - Delete me

2003-03-19 Thread Gene Sais





Test

2003-03-19 Thread Natalia Laracca







Re: Test - Delete me

2003-03-19 Thread Daniel W. Fink




delete from oracle-l where subscriber = 'Gene Sais';
commit;

select count(*) from oracle-l
where subscriber = 'Gene Sais';

 COUNT(*)
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RE: Test - Delete me

2003-03-19 Thread Naveen Nahata



a small technical mistake :-)

delete from 
"oracle-l" where subscriber = 'Gene Sais'; 
 
^
"-" is not 
allowed in identifiers ;-)

Regards
Naveen

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Where are the scripts located to create the SCOTT test objects?

2003-01-21 Thread Cherie_Machler

I have a user that is using the SCOTT test tables on one of our dev
databases.   He is apparently missing the DEPT table.

Where are the scripts that create the SCOTT tables?   I tried looking
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RE: Where are the scripts located to create the SCOTT test objects?

2003-01-21 Thread Kevin Tsay
Cherie:

Check $ORACLE_HOME/sqlplus/demo/demobld.sql

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Thanks,

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RE: Where are the scripts located to create the SCOTT test objects?

2003-01-21 Thread Cherie_Machler

Kevin,

Thanks.  Just what the Dr. ordered.

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Re: Where are the scripts located to create the SCOTT test objects?

2003-01-21 Thread Chaim . Katz

In rdbms/admin there's a file called scott.sql, there's also a utlsampl.sql
in the same place.





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I have a user that is using the SCOTT test tables on one of our dev
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Where are the scripts that create the SCOTT tables?   I tried looking
through the on-line documentation and Metalink to no avail.   Can anyone
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RE: Where are the scripts located to create the SCOTT test object

2003-01-21 Thread Sony kristanto
Hi Cherie,

May be this is what you mean.

Create table Dept (DEPTNO NOT NULL NUMBER(2), DNAME  VARCHAR2(14), LOC
VARCHAR2(13))

Rgrds,

Sony

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RE: Where are the scripts located to create the SCOTT test object

2003-01-21 Thread JayK

You can re-create all the tables using the script SCOTT.SQL in \rdbms\admin







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Hi Cherie,

May be this is what you mean.

Create table Dept (DEPTNO NOT NULL NUMBER(2), DNAME VARCHAR2(14), LOC
VARCHAR2(13))

Rgrds,

Sony

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RE: Where are the scripts located to create the SCOTT test object

2003-01-21 Thread Nirmal Kumar Muthu Kumaran
%Oralce_home%\sqlplus\demo\demobld.sql

HTH
nirmal.


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May be this is what you mean.

Create table Dept (DEPTNO NOT NULL NUMBER(2), DNAME  VARCHAR2(14), LOC
VARCHAR2(13))

Rgrds,

Sony

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RE: test this email ad

2003-01-09 Thread Deshpande, Kirti



Here 
is a quote from my Damager when I send him the link to this marvelous 
product:

" 
Where do I signup. At a buck and three quarters 
an hour I'll replace all of you slackards." 


And 
told him he will probably get what he paid for :) 

- 
Kirti

-Original Message-From: Fink, Dan 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2003 4:30 
PMTo: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-LSubject: RE: 
test this email ad
Tim,
 I think you are wasting your time. A 
threat from Dick is meaningless...cause they appear not to know 
Dick!
 I checked their website. Instead of 
'Contact Us' it says 'Contacts Us' on each page...And I'm going to trust them to 
monitor my database? 

  -Original Message-From: Johnston, Tim 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2003 
  2:59 PMTo: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-LSubject: 
  RE: test this email ad
  Um... This looks like a sales critter post... So, let's 
  test it... Tell me Paul... Exactly why is this tool so 
  wonderful??? And, a simple cut and paste of marketing material won't 
  do... What exactly does it do for you that is so 
  wonderful???How does it free up your time???FYI, if 
  you are a sales critter, you shouldn't post this kind of stuff unless you have 
  some idea of what you'reare talking about... We do have a couple 
  sales critters around but they maintain a fairly low profile and actually 
  contribute to the list... And whatever you do don't get get on Dick's 
  bad side... Right Dick?
  
  :-)
  
  Tim
  



Re:RE: test this email ad

2003-01-09 Thread dgoulet
The first time I read this it did not make sense, but now the light bulb has
finally come on.  I'll just add these folks to the s%$list.

Dick Goulet

Reply Separator
Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2003 4:30 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L


Tim,
I think you are wasting your time. A threat from Dick is meaningless...cause
they appear not to know Dick!
I checked their website. Instead of 'Contact Us' it says 'Contacts Us' on
each page...And I'm going to trust them to monitor my database? 

-Original Message-
Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2003 2:59 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L


Um...  This looks like a sales critter post...  So, let's test it...  Tell me
Paul...  Exactly why is this tool so wonderful???  And, a simple cut and paste
of marketing material won't do...  What exactly does it do for you that is so
wonderful???  How does it free up your time???  FYI, if you are a sales critter,
you shouldn't post this kind of stuff unless you have some idea of what you're
are talking about...  We do have a couple sales critters around but they
maintain a fairly low profile and actually contribute to the list...  And
whatever you do don't get get on Dick's bad side...  Right Dick?
 
:-)
 
Tim

 


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/FONT/FONT/FONT/SPAN/DIV
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  wonderful???nbsp; And, a simple cut and paste of marketing material won't 
  do...nbsp; What exactly does it do for you that is so 
  wonderful???nbsp;nbsp;How does it free up your time???nbsp;nbsp;FYI, if 
  you are a sales critter, you shouldn't post this kind of stuff unless you have

  some idea of what you'renbsp;are talking about...nbsp; We do have a couple 
  sales critters around but they maintain a fairly low profile and actually 
  contribute to the list...nbsp; And whatever you do don't get get on Dick's 
  bad side...nbsp; Right Dick?/FONT/SPAN/DIV
  DIVSPAN class=469575821-08012003FONT face=Arial color=#ff 
  size=2/FONT/SPANnbsp;/DIV
  DIVSPAN class=469575821-08012003FONT face=Arial color=#ff 
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  DIVSPAN class=469575821-08012003FONT face=Arial color=#ff 
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DIV class

RE: RE: test this email ad

2003-01-09 Thread Fink, Dan
For those not familiar with American Slang, saying You don't know dick.
means You don't know anything.

It was a pun I just could not resist...

-Original Message-
Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2003 11:06 AM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L


The first time I read this it did not make sense, but now the light bulb has
finally come on.  I'll just add these folks to the s%$list.

Dick Goulet

Reply Separator
Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2003 4:30 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L


Tim,
I think you are wasting your time. A threat from Dick is
meaningless...cause
they appear not to know Dick!
I checked their website. Instead of 'Contact Us' it says 'Contacts Us'
on
each page...And I'm going to trust them to monitor my database? 

-Original Message-
Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2003 2:59 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L


Um...  This looks like a sales critter post...  So, let's test it...  Tell
me
Paul...  Exactly why is this tool so wonderful???  And, a simple cut and
paste
of marketing material won't do...  What exactly does it do for you that is
so
wonderful???  How does it free up your time???  FYI, if you are a sales
critter,
you shouldn't post this kind of stuff unless you have some idea of what
you're
are talking about...  We do have a couple sales critters around but they
maintain a fairly low profile and actually contribute to the list...  And
whatever you do don't get get on Dick's bad side...  Right Dick?
 
:-)
 
Tim

 


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size=2/FONT/SPANnbsp;/DIV
DIVSPAN class=211281917-09012003FONT face=Arial color=#ff size=2 
/FONTFONT face=ArialFONT color=#ffFONT size=2SPAN 
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/FONT/FONT/FONT/SPAN/DIV
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  test it...nbsp; Tell me Paul...nbsp; Exactly why is this tool so 
  wonderful???nbsp; And, a simple cut and paste of marketing material won't

  do...nbsp; What exactly does it do for you that is so 
  wonderful???nbsp;nbsp;How does it free up your time???nbsp;nbsp;FYI,
if 
  you are a sales critter, you shouldn't post this kind of stuff unless you
have

  some idea of what you'renbsp;are talking about...nbsp; We do have a
couple 
  sales critters around but they maintain a fairly low profile and actually 
  contribute to the list...nbsp; And whatever you do don't get get on
Dick's 
  bad side...nbsp; Right Dick?/FONT/SPAN/DIV
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Re: RE: test this email ad

2003-01-09 Thread Ruth Gramolini
I thought that was Jack.  Maybe you don't know Jack.
Ruth
- Original Message -
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2003 1:44 PM


 For those not familiar with American Slang, saying You don't know dick.
 means You don't know anything.

 It was a pun I just could not resist...

 -Original Message-
 Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2003 11:06 AM
 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L


 The first time I read this it did not make sense, but now the light bulb
has
 finally come on.  I'll just add these folks to the s%$list.

 Dick Goulet

 Reply Separator
 Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2003 4:30 PM
 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L


 Tim,
 I think you are wasting your time. A threat from Dick is
 meaningless...cause
 they appear not to know Dick!
 I checked their website. Instead of 'Contact Us' it says 'Contacts Us'
 on
 each page...And I'm going to trust them to monitor my database?

 -Original Message-
 Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2003 2:59 PM
 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L


 Um...  This looks like a sales critter post...  So, let's test it...  Tell
 me
 Paul...  Exactly why is this tool so wonderful???  And, a simple cut and
 paste
 of marketing material won't do...  What exactly does it do for you that is
 so
 wonderful???  How does it free up your time???  FYI, if you are a sales
 critter,
 you shouldn't post this kind of stuff unless you have some idea of what
 you're
 are talking about...  We do have a couple sales critters around but they
 maintain a fairly low profile and actually contribute to the list...  And
 whatever you do don't get get on Dick's bad side...  Right Dick?

 :-)

 Tim




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 DIVFONT face=Arial color=#ff size=2SPAN
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 'Contact Us' it says 'Contacts Us' on each page...And I'm going to trust
 them to

 monitor my database? /SPAN/FONT/DIV
 BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style=MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px
   DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=leftFONT face=Tahoma
   size=2-Original Message-BRBFrom:/B Johnston, Tim
   [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]BRBSent:/B Wednesday, January 08,
 2003
   2:59 PMBRBTo:/B Multiple recipients of list
 ORACLE-LBRBSubject:/B
   RE: test this email adBRBR/FONT/DIV
   DIVSPAN class=469575821-08012003FONT face=Arial color=#ff
   size=2Um...nbsp; This looks like a sales critter post...nbsp; So,
let's

   test it...nbsp; Tell me Paul...nbsp; Exactly why is this tool so
   wonderful???nbsp; And, a simple cut and paste of marketing material
won't

   do...nbsp; What exactly does it do for you that is so
   wonderful???nbsp;nbsp;How does it free up your time???nbsp;nbsp;FYI,
 if
   you are a sales critter, you shouldn't post this kind of stuff unless
you
 have

   some idea of what you'renbsp;are talking about...nbsp; We do have a
 couple
   sales critters around but they maintain a fairly low profile and
actually
   contribute to the list...nbsp

RE: RE: test this email ad

2003-01-09 Thread Richard Ji
HTH

===

If someone ever says You don't know Jack Shit, here is the perfect
response. Who is Jack Schitt?

The lineage is finally revealed. Many people are at a loss for a
response when someone says You don't know Jack Schitt. Now you can
intellectually handle the situation.
Jack is the only son of Awe Schitt and O. Schitt. Awe Schitt, the fertilizer
magnate, married O. Schitt, the owner of Needeep N.Schitt, Inc.
They had one son, Jack. In turn, Jack Schitt married Noe Schitt, and the
deeply religious couple produced 6 children: Holie Schitt, Fulla Schitt,
Giva Schitt, Bull
Schitt and the twins: Deap Schitt and Dip Schitt.
Against her parent's objections, Deap Schitt married Dumb Schitt, a high
school drop out.
After being married 15 years, Jack and Noe Schitt divorced.
Noe Schitt later married Ted Sherlock, and because her kids were living
with them, she wanted to keep her previous name. She was then known as Noe
Schitt-Sherlock. Meanwhile, Dip Schitt married Loda Schitt and they produced
a son of
nervous disposition, Chicken Schitt. Two other of the 6 children... Fulla
Schitt and Giva Schitt... were inseparable throughout childhood and
subsequently married the Happens
Brothers in a dual ceremony. The wedding announcement in the newspaper
announced the Schitt-Happens wedding. The Schitt-Happens children were
Dawg, Byrd, and Hoarse. Bull Schitt, the prodigal son, left home to tour the
world. He recently returned from Italy with his new Italian bride, Pisa
Schitt.
So now when someone says, You don't know Jack Schitt, you can correct
them.

Family History recorded by Crock O. Schitt

-Original Message-
Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2003 2:19 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L


I thought that was Jack.  Maybe you don't know Jack.
Ruth
- Original Message -
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2003 1:44 PM


 For those not familiar with American Slang, saying You don't know dick.
 means You don't know anything.

 It was a pun I just could not resist...

 -Original Message-
 Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2003 11:06 AM
 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L


 The first time I read this it did not make sense, but now the light bulb
has
 finally come on.  I'll just add these folks to the s%$list.

 Dick Goulet

 Reply Separator
 Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2003 4:30 PM
 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L


 Tim,
 I think you are wasting your time. A threat from Dick is
 meaningless...cause
 they appear not to know Dick!
 I checked their website. Instead of 'Contact Us' it says 'Contacts Us'
 on
 each page...And I'm going to trust them to monitor my database?

 -Original Message-
 Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2003 2:59 PM
 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L


 Um...  This looks like a sales critter post...  So, let's test it...  Tell
 me
 Paul...  Exactly why is this tool so wonderful???  And, a simple cut and
 paste
 of marketing material won't do...  What exactly does it do for you that is
 so
 wonderful???  How does it free up your time???  FYI, if you are a sales
 critter,
 you shouldn't post this kind of stuff unless you have some idea of what
 you're
 are talking about...  We do have a couple sales critters around but they
 maintain a fairly low profile and actually contribute to the list...  And
 whatever you do don't get get on Dick's bad side...  Right Dick?

 :-)

 Tim




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 META HTTP-EQUIV=Content-Type CONTENT=text/html; charset=iso-8859-1


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 BODY bgColor=#ff leftMargin=70 topMargin=0 marginheight=0
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 is a quote from my Damager when I send him the link to this marvelous
 product:/FONT/SPAN/DIV
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 size=2/FONT/SPANnbsp;/DIV
 DIVSPAN class=211281917-09012003FONT face=Arial color=#ff
size=2
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 an hour I'll replace all of you slackards.
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Re[2]: RE: test this email ad

2003-01-09 Thread dgoulet
Ruth,

That's Jack Sh^.

Dick Goulet

Reply Separator
Author: Ruth Gramolini [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date:   1/9/2003 11:19 AM

I thought that was Jack.  Maybe you don't know Jack.
Ruth
- Original Message -
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2003 1:44 PM


 For those not familiar with American Slang, saying You don't know dick.
 means You don't know anything.

 It was a pun I just could not resist...

 -Original Message-
 Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2003 11:06 AM
 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L


 The first time I read this it did not make sense, but now the light bulb
has
 finally come on.  I'll just add these folks to the s%$list.

 Dick Goulet

 Reply Separator
 Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2003 4:30 PM
 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L


 Tim,
 I think you are wasting your time. A threat from Dick is
 meaningless...cause
 they appear not to know Dick!
 I checked their website. Instead of 'Contact Us' it says 'Contacts Us'
 on
 each page...And I'm going to trust them to monitor my database?

 -Original Message-
 Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2003 2:59 PM
 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L


 Um...  This looks like a sales critter post...  So, let's test it...  Tell
 me
 Paul...  Exactly why is this tool so wonderful???  And, a simple cut and
 paste
 of marketing material won't do...  What exactly does it do for you that is
 so
 wonderful???  How does it free up your time???  FYI, if you are a sales
 critter,
 you shouldn't post this kind of stuff unless you have some idea of what
 you're
 are talking about...  We do have a couple sales critters around but they
 maintain a fairly low profile and actually contribute to the list...  And
 whatever you do don't get get on Dick's bad side...  Right Dick?

 :-)

 Tim




 !DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC -//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN
 HTMLHEAD
 META HTTP-EQUIV=Content-Type CONTENT=text/html; charset=iso-8859-1


 META content=MSHTML 5.50.4134.600 name=GENERATOR/HEAD
 BODY bgColor=#ff leftMargin=70 topMargin=0 marginheight=0
 marginwidth=70
 DIVSPAN class=211281917-09012003FONT face=Arial color=#ff
 size=2Here
 is a quote from my Damager when I send him the link to this marvelous
 product:/FONT/SPAN/DIV
 DIVSPAN class=211281917-09012003FONT face=Arial color=#ff
 size=2/FONT/SPANnbsp;/DIV
 DIVSPAN class=211281917-09012003FONT face=Arial color=#ff
size=2
 /FONTFONT face=ArialFONT color=#ffFONT size=2SPAN
 class=211281917-09012003W/SPANhere do I signup. At a buck and three
 quarters
 an hour I'll replace all of you slackards.
 /FONT/FONT/FONT/SPAN/DIV
 DIVSPAN class=211281917-09012003FONT face=Arial color=#ff
 size=2/FONT/SPANnbsp;/DIV
 DIVSPAN class=211281917-09012003FONT face=Arial color=#ff
 size=2And
 told him he will probably get what he paid for :) /FONT/SPAN/DIV
 DIVSPAN class=211281917-09012003/SPANSPAN
 class=211281917-09012003FONT
 face=Arial color=#ff size=2/FONT/SPANnbsp;/DIV
 DIVSPAN class=211281917-09012003FONT face=Arial color=#ff
size=2-
 Kirti/FONT/SPAN/DIV
 DIVSPAN class=211281917-09012003FONT face=Arial color=#ff
 size=2/FONT/SPANnbsp;/DIV
 DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=leftFONT face=Tahoma
 size=2-Original Message-BRBFrom:/B Fink, Dan
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]BRBSent:/B Wednesday, January 08, 2003 4:30
 PMBRBTo:/B Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-LBRBSubject:/B
RE:

 test this email adBRBR/FONT/DIV
 DIVFONT face=Arial color=#ff size=2SPAN
 class=409202822-08012003Tim,/SPAN/FONT/DIV
 DIVFONT face=Arial color=#ff size=2SPAN
 class=409202822-08012003nbsp;nbsp;nbsp; I think you are wasting your
 time. A

 threat from Dick is meaningless...cause they appear not to know
 Dick!/SPAN/FONT/DIV
 DIVFONT face=Arial color=#ff size=2SPAN
 class=409202822-08012003nbsp;nbsp;nbsp; I checked their website.
Instead
 of
 'Contact Us' it says 'Contacts Us' on each page...And I'm going to trust
 them to

 monitor my database? /SPAN/FONT/DIV
 BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style=MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px
   DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=leftFONT face=Tahoma
   size=2-Original Message-BRBFrom:/B Johnston, Tim
   [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]BRBSent:/B Wednesday, January 08,
 2003
   2:59 PMBRBTo:/B Multiple recipients of list
 ORACLE-LBRBSubject:/B
   RE: test this email adBRBR/FONT/DIV
   DIVSPAN class=469575821-08012003FONT face=Arial color=#ff
   size=2Um...nbsp; This looks like a sales critter post...nbsp; So,
let's

   test it...nbsp; Tell me Paul...nbsp; Exactly why is this tool so
   wonderful???nbsp; And, a simple cut and paste of marketing material
won't

   do...nbsp; What exactly does it do for you that is so
   wonderful???nbsp;nbsp;How does it free up your time???nbsp;nbsp;FYI,
 if
   you are a sales critter, you shouldn't post this kind of stuff unless
you
 have

   some idea of what

RE: test this email ad (OT -- helpful tip for list)

2003-01-09 Thread Jesse, Rich
BTW, for those of you stuck with MS Lookout as your e-mail reader, you can
prevent the senseless download of images when viewing/previewing these HTML
messages, whose links often contain encoded IDs so the authors get better
ways to track you down and sell your e-mail addresses.

1.  In IE, under File, check Work Offline.

2.  Use a real browser.

3.  See also http://www.grotto11.com/blog/?+1039831658 for an article on
MS's lack of RFC compliance.

4.  Tell Oracle Corp not to use MS-specific code in their web pages!


Rich


Rich Jesse   System/Database Administrator
[EMAIL PROTECTED]  Quad/Tech International, Sussex, WI USA


-Original Message-
Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2003 3:07 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L


 
 Guys and Gays
I just started working for this company and they have a really cool DBA
appliance. It for up my time to do other DBA stuff.   
 
Paul
 
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2003-01-08 Thread Dessources Paul




Guys and Gays
I just started working for 
this company and they have a really cool DBA appliance. Itfor up my time 
to do other DBA stuff.

Paul

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RE: test this email ad

2003-01-08 Thread Johnston, Tim



Um... This looks like a sales critter post... So, let's test 
it... Tell me Paul... Exactly why is this tool so wonderful??? 
And, a simple cut and paste of marketing material won't do... What exactly 
does it do for you that is so wonderful???How does it free up your 
time???FYI, if you are a sales critter, you shouldn't post this kind 
of stuff unless you have some idea of what you'reare talking 
about... We do have a couple sales critters around but they maintain a 
fairly low profile and actually contribute to the list... And whatever you 
do don't get get on Dick's bad side... Right Dick?

:-)

Tim

  -Original Message-From: Dessources Paul 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2003 
  3:07 PMTo: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-LSubject: 
  FW: test this email ad
  
  Guys and Gays
  I just started working for 
  this company and they have a really cool DBA appliance. Itfor up my time 
  to do other DBA stuff.
  
  Paul
  
  OCP 
  


  
  


  
  Monitors database health, performance, host, space, audit, 
response, stand-by and security events including BSTAT/ESTAT and 
STATSPACK.
  For a FREE 
TRIAL:
Contact's Name Email Address This 
information will only be used for contacting you about this product by 
Pinnacle Data. 
 

  
  DBA-in-a-Box warns you of hundreds of database issues before 
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  Customized filtering of events and threshold 
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  No 
Software is installed on your system.

  
  Free 
Hardware, setup and upgrades.

  
  You 
and your DBA's can focus more on other critical business 
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  DBA-in-a-Box sends alerts to your e-mail, PDA, cell phone, and 
pager.

  
  DBA-in-a-Box costs $1.75 per hour, User defines times of 
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  For more information:Click 
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RE: test this email ad

2003-01-08 Thread Fink, Dan



Tim,
 I think you are wasting your time. A 
threat from Dick is meaningless...cause they appear not to know 
Dick!
 I checked their website. Instead of 
'Contact Us' it says 'Contacts Us' on each page...And I'm going to trust them to 
monitor my database? 

  -Original Message-From: Johnston, Tim 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2003 
  2:59 PMTo: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-LSubject: 
  RE: test this email ad
  Um... This looks like a sales critter post... So, let's 
  test it... Tell me Paul... Exactly why is this tool so 
  wonderful??? And, a simple cut and paste of marketing material won't 
  do... What exactly does it do for you that is so 
  wonderful???How does it free up your time???FYI, if 
  you are a sales critter, you shouldn't post this kind of stuff unless you have 
  some idea of what you'reare talking about... We do have a couple 
  sales critters around but they maintain a fairly low profile and actually 
  contribute to the list... And whatever you do don't get get on Dick's 
  bad side... Right Dick?
  
  :-)
  
  Tim
  



RE: test this email ad

2003-01-08 Thread Nick Wagner



If I 
get a 'sales critter' type email, and it takes me 4 or 5 tries before I can 
decipher their version of English, then you can guarantee I won't buy their 
product.There is also a very good chance that I will actually recommend 
people NOT to use it. 

-Original Message-From: Fink, Dan 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2003 2:30 
PMTo: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-LSubject: RE: 
test this email ad
Tim,
 I think you are wasting your time. A 
threat from Dick is meaningless...cause they appear not to know 
Dick!
 I checked their website. Instead of 
'Contact Us' it says 'Contacts Us' on each page...And I'm going to trust them to 
monitor my database? 

  -Original Message-From: Johnston, Tim 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2003 
  2:59 PMTo: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-LSubject: 
  RE: test this email ad
  Um... This looks like a sales critter post... So, let's 
  test it... Tell me Paul... Exactly why is this tool so 
  wonderful??? And, a simple cut and paste of marketing material won't 
  do... What exactly does it do for you that is so 
  wonderful???How does it free up your time???FYI, if 
  you are a sales critter, you shouldn't post this kind of stuff unless you have 
  some idea of what you'reare talking about... We do have a couple 
  sales critters around but they maintain a fairly low profile and actually 
  contribute to the list... And whatever you do don't get get on Dick's 
  bad side... Right Dick?
  
  :-)
  
  Tim
  



RE: test this email ad

2003-01-08 Thread Deshpande, Kirti



 
Guys and Gays 

Undskyld, please? 


- 
Kirti 



-Original Message-From: Dessources Paul 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2003 
2:07 PMTo: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-LSubject: 
FW: test this email ad

Guys and Gays
I just started working for 
this company and they have a really cool DBA appliance. Itfor up my time 
to do other DBA stuff.

Paul

OCP 

  
  


  
  

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  security events including BSTAT/ESTAT and STATSPACK.
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  TRIAL:
  Contact's Name Email 
  Address This information will only be 
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Data. 
   
  

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Re: test (please ignore)

2002-11-23 Thread Tim Gorman
Why do people do this?  What is it that they are testing?

And why should we ignore it and not each and every single one of us respond
directly to such testers to express displeasure (without replying to the
list)?

Just a thought...

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load runner test and database response mesurement

2002-11-17 Thread Tao_Zuo
Hi, I am looking for a best database response measurment for load runner 
test, any comments are welcome. 

 I am looking at response time per execution in OEM Capacity Planner, 
however how do I understand the report with massive executions come with 
very low response time per execution, while very low executions come 
with higher response time per execution during the load runner test?

Thanks a lot.

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Development and Test Database Licensing?

2002-11-08 Thread Casey A. Jordan



How doesOracle handle the licensing of the 
Dev andTest servers. Does an OTN license need to be purchased 
forthis or does the purchase of the
production server license allow for theTest 
and Dev servers. 

thanks,
caj



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I think you may need to get an upgraded installer version 3.3.1.1.0c. 
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2002-10-10 Thread Long . Nguyen



just to see if i can sendemail to the list - have got 
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TEST -pls ignore

2002-10-08 Thread Diego Cutrone






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2002-10-01 Thread maheswara . rao

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Re: test - please ignore

2002-09-12 Thread Yechiel Adar



NO

Yechiel AdarMehish

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  Can 
  you hear me now
  
  Good
  
  ;o)
  
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lately.

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RE: test - please ignore

2002-09-12 Thread Robson, Peter



Somebody say something???

peter

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Subject: RE: test - please ignore

Can you hear me now

Good

;o)

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OEM: Is there a test to find broken dblinks?

2002-09-10 Thread Sivan Rabinovitz
Title: OEM: Is there a test to find broken dblinks?






Hi All,

I'm looking for an event test in OEM to find broken dblinks.

Anyone know such?

Thanks.





RE: Is there a test to find broken dblinks?

2002-09-10 Thread Boivin, Patrice J
Title: OEM: Is there a test to find broken dblinks?



That 
would be useful, as import drops package bodies when there are invalid db links 
in packages.

Short 
of testing them manually one by one, I don't know of one. Import must be 
doing it though, when it tries to compile packages.
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  Hi All,
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  Anyone know 
  such?
  Thanks.


test - please ignore

2002-09-09 Thread Igor Neyman



Just testing, I'm not getting any messages 
lately.

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RE: test - please ignore

2002-09-09 Thread Farnsworth, Dave



Can 
you hear me now

Good

;o)

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test scenario # 1, dropped online redo logs

2002-08-16 Thread Rahul

list, i will be testing various recovery scenarios on a test instance..

my db is in archive log.. i hv a cold backup, i created a table, inserted
some records and
switched the logfile.. (i dnt hv a hot backup) , then i deleted both the
online redo logs.

now i;m trying to re-create the controlfile (with resetlogs)  but it fails
with..

CREATE CONTROLFILE REUSE DATABASE ORACLE RESETLOGS ARCHIVELOG
*
ORA-01503: CREATE CONTROLFILE failed
ORA-01158: database  already mounted

before i issue the create controlfile command... i do a .

svrmgr30 startup nomount

i have the following questions..

1) why i'm getting this error 
2) is re-creating the controlfile the *only* way out after the online logs
are removed  ?

TIA
rahul



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test scenario # 1, dropped online redo logs - UPDATE

2002-08-16 Thread Rahul

i am able to re-create the control file .. 
but on doing recover database using backup controlfile  the database is 
requesting a change# which was in the deleted online redo log !!! 
now what ???


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 To:   'Oracle List I'
 Subject:  test scenario # 1, dropped online redo logs
 
 list, i will be testing various recovery scenarios on a test instance..
 
 my db is in archive log.. i hv a cold backup, i created a table, inserted
 some records and
 switched the logfile.. (i dnt hv a hot backup) , then i deleted both the
 online redo logs.
 
 now i;m trying to re-create the controlfile (with resetlogs)  but it fails
 with..
 
 CREATE CONTROLFILE REUSE DATABASE ORACLE RESETLOGS ARCHIVELOG
 *
 ORA-01503: CREATE CONTROLFILE failed
 ORA-01158: database  already mounted
 
 before i issue the create controlfile command... i do a .
 
 svrmgr30 startup nomount
 
 i have the following questions..
 
 1) why i'm getting this error 
 2) is re-creating the controlfile the *only* way out after the online logs
 are removed  ?
 
 TIA
 rahul
 
 
 
 
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Re: test scenario # 1, dropped online redo logs - UPDATE

2002-08-16 Thread Rachel Carmichael

try open resetlogs. you won't be able to fully recover but you might
get the database open


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 but on doing recover database using backup controlfile  the
 database is 
 requesting a change# which was in the deleted online redo log !!! 
 now what ???
 
 
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  To: 'Oracle List I'
  Subject:test scenario # 1, dropped online redo logs
  
  list, i will be testing various recovery scenarios on a test
 instance..
  
  my db is in archive log.. i hv a cold backup, i created a table,
 inserted
  some records and
  switched the logfile.. (i dnt hv a hot backup) , then i deleted
 both the
  online redo logs.
  
  now i;m trying to re-create the controlfile (with resetlogs)  but
 it fails
  with..
  
  CREATE CONTROLFILE REUSE DATABASE ORACLE RESETLOGS ARCHIVELOG
  *
  ORA-01503: CREATE CONTROLFILE failed
  ORA-01158: database  already mounted
  
  before i issue the create controlfile command... i do a .
  
  svrmgr30 startup nomount
  
  i have the following questions..
  
  1) why i'm getting this error 
  2) is re-creating the controlfile the *only* way out after the
 online logs
  are removed  ?
  
  TIA
  rahul
  
  
  
  
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Re: Exporting stats for a production server to a dev/test server

2002-07-08 Thread Cherie_Machler


Jack,

Were your old statistics generated with the ANALYZE command?   If yes, were
you able to export ALL of the old statistics with the export option of
DBMS_STATS before you actually analyzed with DBMS_STATS for the first time?
If yes, after exporting them, did you delete the old statistics using the
delete option of ANALYZE command before gathering new statistics using
DBMS_STATS?

Thanks,

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Re: Exporting stats for a production server to a dev/test server

2002-07-08 Thread Jack Silvey

Cherie,

Great name.

Our initial stats were generated with the ANALYZE
command. We did export all the stats with the
dbms_stats - one parameter of the GATHER_TABLE_STATS
procedure is CASCADE, which picks up the index and
column stats too. Please test first on your own system
to make sure this is true for your version and setup.

We did not delete the stats before doing the new, what
we did was this:

1) export the old stats
2) analyze using a new sample, cascade, with histos
3) export the new stats (with a new label)
4) test, reimport the old and new stats as necessary

Do this quick test to show yourself what it can do:

a) create table tester.statstest as select * from
dba_tables;
b) create index tester.statstestidx on
statstest(table_name);
c) analyze table tester.statstest estimate statistics
sample 1 percent for table for all indexes for all
columns size 254;
d) create the stats holding table in the tester schema
using
DBMS_STATS.CREATE_STAT_TABLE('tester','stats','tsuser01')
e) export the stats using
DBMS_STATS.EXPORT_TABLE_STATS('tester','statstest',null,'stats','1pcttest',true,null);
f) select * from tester.stats to see what is stored
g) analyze table tester.statstest delete statistics;
h) import the stats using
DBMS_STATS.IMPORT_TABLE_STATS('tester','statstest',null,'stats','1pcttest',true,null);
i) select * from dba_tables, dba_indexes,
dba_tab_histograms to see what was imported

You can store multiple versions of stats for the same
table with different lables ('1pctest' in the example)
but if you try to store stats with the same label it
will overwrite.

We did have some data dictionary locking issues trying
to import multiple partitions of the same table at the
same time, but our db has suspect dd issues anyway, so
this might just be a feature of our system.

hth,

Jack

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 Were your old statistics generated with the ANALYZE
 command?   If yes, were
 you able to export ALL of the old statistics with
 the export option of
 DBMS_STATS before you actually analyzed with
 DBMS_STATS for the first time?
 If yes, after exporting them, did you delete the old
 statistics using the
 delete option of ANALYZE command before gathering
 new statistics using
 DBMS_STATS?
 
 Thanks,
 
 Cherie Machler
 Oracle DBA
 Gelco Information Network
 
 
 
 

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 does
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  Cheers
 
 
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Exporting stats for a production server to a dev/test server

2002-07-07 Thread Peter . McLarty

Hi 

Can anyone give feedback good or bad on the dbms_stats feature of 
exporting statistics. Is there any gotcha's or does it work well

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Re: Exporting stats for a production server to a dev/test server

2002-07-07 Thread Jack Silvey

We just used it with great success to test our new
analyze strategy. You can label each set of stats, and
quickly switch between different analyze levels. Store
your old stats first and you can always fall back if
necessary. 


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Re: Exporting stats for a production server to a dev/test server

2002-07-07 Thread paquette stephane

I've used 1 month ago on Oracle817 without any
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test - Ignore it !

2002-06-21 Thread Kulev, Milen
Title: Message





just test. Igonore it !

2002-06-21 Thread Kulev, Milen






RE: test

2002-06-21 Thread Mark Leith

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RE: test

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Re: Bitmap vs btree - how to tell? how to test?

2002-05-25 Thread Rachel Carmichael

low cardinality -- good candidate for bitmap. little or no updates to
the column being indexed -- good candidate for bitmap

low cardinality is relative -- 10,000 distinct values in a 300m row
table is low, 100 distinct values in a 10K row table might be high

but the main criteria I have found is whether or not the column is
updated because when you update the values in a bitmap index, it's not
just the one row in the index that is updated but the entire segment of
the bitmap. And THAT can lock the index on you.

Rachel

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 Anyone care to comment on the way to determine whether
 an index should be a btree or a bitmap? Anyone even
 know a good way to test this?
 
 thx,
 
 /jack
 
 
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Re: Bitmap vs btree - how to tell? how to test?

2002-05-25 Thread Mladen Gogala


On 2002.05.25 17:38 Rachel Carmichael wrote:
 low cardinality -- good candidate for bitmap. little or no updates to
 the column being indexed -- good candidate for bitmap
 
 low cardinality is relative -- 10,000 distinct values in a 300m row
 table is low, 100 distinct values in a 10K row table might be high
 
 but the main criteria I have found is whether or not the column is
 updated because when you update the values in a bitmap index, it's not
 just the one row in the index that is updated but the entire segment
 of
 the bitmap. And THAT can lock the index on you.
 
 Rachel
 
Well, it doesn't exactly lock the whole index, it locks only the rows 
that
have the same bitmap value as the row that is being updated. For a low 
cardinality
column, that may mean locking down a significant portion of the index 
(and the underlying
table, of course). That makes bitmap indexes (and indices) completely 
unsuitable
for the OLTP environment.
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Re: TEST

2002-05-24 Thread Tim Gorman
Title: TEST



Ahhh.

I'm guessing that your employer is filtering out 
any email from these lists? How about if you set up your own free hotmail 
or yahoo account to use to participate in these lists, instead?

I apologize for the curt email earlier, but I (and 
others) had assumed (always a bad thing to do!) that you were trying to test 
some thing (a program?) using the ORACLE-L email list as a guinea pig for your 
experiments. Again, my apologies...

  - Original Message - 
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  To: 'Tim Gorman' 
  Sent: Friday, May 24, 2002 12:55 AM
  Subject: RE: TEST
  
  
  Hi Tim 
  and list fellows,
   
  That’s not my purpose……. I am not getting any mail from this mailing 
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  I 
  don’t know what to do !!! 
  Sorry for inconvenience if any ………
   
  
  L,
  Rajesh
  
  -Original 
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  AMTo: Rajesh 
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  Rajesh,
  
  Please 
  test to some other email address? You are annoying hundreds of people 
  this way...
  
  Thanks!
  
  -Tim
  
  
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  TEST 
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Bitmap vs btree - how to tell? how to test?

2002-05-24 Thread Jack Silvey

Listers,

We are creating indexes on a 300m row fact table
today. I am researching bitmap versus btree (again) to
see where the latest info points. 

Anyone care to comment on the way to determine whether
an index should be a btree or a bitmap? Anyone even
know a good way to test this?

thx,

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Re: Bitmap vs btree - how to tell? how to test?

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Re: Bitmap vs btree - how to tell? how to test?

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Re: Bitmap vs btree - how to tell? how to test?

2002-05-24 Thread Thomas Day


LOL

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RE: Bitmap vs btree - how to tell? how to test?

2002-05-24 Thread Mercadante, Thomas F

Either that, or we can contact Jaspreet.

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RE: Bitmap vs btree - how to tell? how to test?

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Re: Bitmap vs btree - how to tell? how to test?

2002-05-24 Thread Jared Still


He's just been put in digest mode.  

It's good to be king.  ;)

Jared

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TEST

2002-05-23 Thread RAJESH DAYAL
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TEST 





Re: TEST

2002-05-23 Thread Jared . Still

This is a production system, do your testing somewhere else. 

Jared  ;^)





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2002-05-22 Thread RAJESH DAYAL
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Testing .





RE: test

2002-05-22 Thread Mark Leith

Can I have a copy of three or so test result sets that you have compiled? ;P

Thanks!

Mark

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RE: test

2002-05-22 Thread Thomas, Kevin

very...

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Testing . 

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Re: TEST

2002-05-21 Thread Joe Testa

you've been ignored, forever

RAJESH DAYAL wrote:

 TESTING ..
 PLS IGNORE .



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RE: TEST

2002-05-20 Thread Abdul Aleem
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What 
are you testing?

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  TESTING ... 


RE: TEST

2002-05-20 Thread Schilling, Ben

Your shift key is not working correctly

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TEST

2002-05-19 Thread RAJESH DAYAL
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TESTING ...





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2002-05-14 Thread Madhavan Amruthur

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RE: pl/sql is INTERPRETED?- java test

2002-05-06 Thread G . Plivna
 Practices books, then perhaps they will be good.  But
who
   the hell has free time?  There is no free time on any project or
effort
   that
   I know of!!  I'm struggling with trying to improve my Oracle DBA
skills,
   plus some developers skills so I can speak their language when they
blow
   out
   OPEN_CURSORS or something.  My head is swimming in the stupid
technical
   alphabet soup, XML, XDK, XSQL, XSLT, XPath, SOAP, ASP, ADO, EJB,
BC4J,
   JDBC,
   SQLJ, PSP, JVM, JSP, J2EE, EAD, RMI, CORBA, IIOP...and don't ask me
what
   all
   those mean, because I can't keep them straight.  But I do keep
hearing
   that
   XML is going to put me out of a job, so I guess I should learn
   that...whatever that is.  Isn't XML an add-on, or extension, or
something
   to
   DML???
  
   Now where the heck did I hide that bottle...
  
   -Original Message-
   Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2002 12:15 PM
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   Lisa,
  
   You are right about the debate between PL/SQL  Java (or anything
else
   outside of the db).
  
   In my mind, the deciding factor (and something that is *never*
mentioned)
   is
   what programming langauage the organization is satisfied with/settled
   upon.
  
   In my little opinion, *any* programmer can learn PL/SQL in a very
short
   period of time.  This means that development and maintenance costs
are
   relatively low.  If an IT shop is stronger in Java, then they should
   probably program in Java, or Cobol, or Ada, or whatever the flavor of
the
   decade happens to be (lets bring back APL!).
  
   IT tool selection/standards should be the deciding factor.
  
   Tom Mercadante
   Oracle Certified Professional
  
  
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   This is something that's been debated on the list in the past.  The
   general
   consensus was:
  
   For manipulating data in the database, nothing beats pl/sql.  It is
well
   suited for this purpose.
  
   For everything else, java could beat it.
  
   I am sure fellow list members will post links describing studies.  I
   remember seeing these last year.
  
   Stefan, have you tried running your own test?  There's a sure fire
way
to
   convince yourself.  Even a small test (no fancy code) would suffice.
   Wish I
   had more time to play...
  
   Lisa Koivu
   Oracle Database Monkey Mama
   Fairfield Resorts, Inc.
   5259 Coconut Creek Parkway
   Ft. Lauderdale, FL, USA  33063
  
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Hi
   
how about Java within Oracle. What do you think about it ?
When does it make sense to use Java instead of PL/SQL ?
The problem is that I dislike a mix of different languages
within an application. It messes things up.
But maybe it makes sense to use PL/SQL for most stuff and
Java for some specific things (perhaps accessing a file
or using a network resource ?).
As far as I know, there is an option to compile the Java into
platform dependend code, which would make it execute much faster
then bytecode (and PL/SQL?), since the later has to be interpreted
at
run-time.
   
   
Any opinions ?
   
Regards,
   
   
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Lisa,
   
It is both true  false at the same time.  Obviously any
anonymous
blocks
you submit to the database are fully interpreted.  PL/SQL that you
store in
the
database as procedures, functions, and packages get partially
compiled
into
a
p-code.  This makes the code ready for execution, but retains a
modular
design
so that if your DBA reloads catproc your code is not totally
destroyed.
Where I
think PL/SQL buys us a lot of performance is in reducing the
communications
outside of the database that is otherwise needed.  There's no JDBC
  
   driver
  
or
other miscellaneous mess (like SQL*Net) required.  It's all handled
  
   inside
  
the
kernel.  Now the bad part about PL/SQL that Java handles better is
platform
independence.  You can run Java on your client, the apps server or
database
without a problem.  PL/SQL on the other hand must be run in the
  
   database.
  
Dick Goulet
   
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Author: Koivu; Lisa [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date:   4/29/2002 2:52 PM
   
Can this be true?  How can this be?  If it's optimized to
manipulate
  
   data
  
within the database, how can it be fast if it's interpreted (like
that
slow

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2002-05-03 Thread Eric D. Pierce

what is factotum?

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