Re: Which is beter a cursor or a for loop?

2003-02-25 Thread sundeep maini
Proof of pudding is in eating  Whip up a couple of examples and
check out the timings.  I suspect the CURSOR FOR LOOPS would run
faster. 

I recall a similar mention by Tom Kyte in Oracle magazine while
answering a question about explicit and implicit cusrsors. Unlike the
conventional wisdom (a.k.a Feuerstein's recommendation in his best
selling books) to use explicit cursors, he showed via an example how
and why the implicit cursors are better (Key difference was the
processing PL/SQL had to do for the explicit cursor).

It is pretty much the same for FOR LOOP (it opens, closes and fetches
from the cursor for you) and is likly to run faster. 

- Sundeep 
--- Denham Eva <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> I was just asked by one of our developers which is beter to use:-
> a cursor or a for loop?
> I must admit I am not sure
> 
> Anyway the specific piece of code in discussion is similar to the
> following
>
>   FOR X IN (SELECT X FROM TABLE_NAME
>   WHERE COL1 = 'Something'))
> LOOP
> Do a whole lot of stuff in database here..
> LOOP END;
> 
> I would guess that the cursor would follow similar execution
> criteria but
> using 
> the cursor syntax.
> 
> Any ideas?
> 
> TIA
> regards
> Denham Eva
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RE: Which is beter a cursor or a for loop?

2003-02-24 Thread Denham Eva
Title: RE: Which is beter a cursor or a for loop?





Thanks everyone! 


Regards
Denham


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If you are after the n'th degree performance then the:


for x in (select ... ) 


will be minisculely faster (simply because its
slightly less code and plsql is interpreted).  And
unless I have a particular need for the cursor
%attributes, or the cursor needs to be passed around I
prefer the sql directly in the for-loop.  I don't have
to hunt up through the procedure/package to find the
cursor definition, and (subjectively) I find it easier
to read.


hth
connor


 --- Tim Gorman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Both use
cursors, but a FOR loop is more concise
> coding.  Technically, they
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> > a cursor or a for loop?
> > I must admit I am not sure
> >
> > Anyway the specific piece of code in discussion is
> similar to the
> > following
> >
> > FOR X IN (SELECT X FROM TABLE_NAME
> > WHERE COL1 = 'Something'))
> > LOOP
> > Do a whole lot of stuff in
> database here..
> > LOOP END;
> >
> > I would guess that the cursor would follow similar
> execution criteria but
> > using
> > the cursor syntax.
> >
> > Any ideas?
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Re: Which is beter a cursor or a for loop?

2003-02-24 Thread Connor McDonald
If you are after the n'th degree performance then the:

for x in (select ... ) 

will be minisculely faster (simply because its
slightly less code and plsql is interpreted).  And
unless I have a particular need for the cursor
%attributes, or the cursor needs to be passed around I
prefer the sql directly in the for-loop.  I don't have
to hunt up through the procedure/package to find the
cursor definition, and (subjectively) I find it easier
to read.

hth
connor

 --- Tim Gorman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Both use
cursors, but a FOR loop is more concise
> coding.  Technically, they
> are exactly equivalent;  the differences are just
> stylistic...
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> >
> > I was just asked by one of our developers which is
> beter to use:-
> > a cursor or a for loop?
> > I must admit I am not sure
> >
> > Anyway the specific piece of code in discussion is
> similar to the
> > following
> >
> > FOR X IN (SELECT X FROM TABLE_NAME
> > WHERE COL1 = 'Something'))
> > LOOP
> > Do a whole lot of stuff in
> database here..
> > LOOP END;
> >
> > I would guess that the cursor would follow similar
> execution criteria but
> > using
> > the cursor syntax.
> >
> > Any ideas?
> >
> > TIA
> > regards
> > Denham Eva
> > Oracle DBA
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Re: Which is beter a cursor or a for loop?

2003-02-24 Thread Tim Gorman
Both use cursors, but a FOR loop is more concise coding.  Technically, they
are exactly equivalent;  the differences are just stylistic...

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> I would suggest that the cursor is the best way to go.
> -Original Message-
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> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
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>
>
> Hello,
>
> I was just asked by one of our developers which is beter to use:-
> a cursor or a for loop?
> I must admit I am not sure
>
> Anyway the specific piece of code in discussion is similar to the
> following
>
> FOR X IN (SELECT X FROM TABLE_NAME
> WHERE COL1 = 'Something'))
> LOOP
> Do a whole lot of stuff in database here..
> LOOP END;
>
> I would guess that the cursor would follow similar execution criteria but
> using
> the cursor syntax.
>
> Any ideas?
>
> TIA
> regards
> Denham Eva
> Oracle DBA
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Re: Which is beter a cursor or a for loop?

2003-02-24 Thread Bjørn Engsig




It's purely syntactical sugar unless you use the BULK features of the explicit
cursor, in which case, you may gain some performance.

/Bjørn.

Denham Eva wrote:
   
  
 
  
  Which is beter a cursor or a for loop?

  Hello, 
  
  I was just asked by one of our developers
which is beter to use:- 
  a cursor or a for loop? 
  I must admit I am not sure 
  
  Anyway the specific piece of code in discussion
is similar to the following 
      
    FOR X IN (SELECT X FROM TABLE_NAME 
  
            WHERE COL1 = 'Something')) 
  
      LOOP 
      Do a whole lot of stuff in
database here.. 
      LOOP END; 
  
  I would guess that the cursor would follow
similar execution criteria but using  
  the cursor syntax. 
  
  Any ideas? 
  
  TIA 
  regards 
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RE: Which is beter a cursor or a for loop?

2003-02-24 Thread Grant Allen
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> Hello,
>
> I was just asked by one of our developers which is beter to use:-
> a cursor or a for loop?
> I must admit I am not sure



That's like asking "I have a Porsche.  What's the fastest way to make it
move ... to push it, or pull it?"

The answer would have to be neither ... drive the thing the way it's been
engineered to perform.



If your developers don't understand the power of set-based logic in RDBMS,
then now's the time to teach them.

(Yeah, OK, depending on the complexity of the 'do lots of database stuff',
you might need to resort to cursors or loops.  But these shouldn't be the
first option!)

Just my 2¢

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RE: Which is beter a cursor or a for loop?

2003-02-24 Thread Lord, David - CSG
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Denham
 
The for loop is a lot easier to read.  It can be a real pain scrolling to
the top every time you want to see what such-and-such a cursor is doing.  On
the other hand, it can be a bit limiting in more 'advanced' situations - eg.
you can't mess around with cursor%rowtype variables and you can't fetch from
the cursor in more than one place.
 
Regards
David Lord

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Hello, 

I was just asked by one of our developers which is beter to use:- 
a cursor or a for loop? 
I must admit I am not sure 

Anyway the specific piece of code in discussion is similar to the
following 
   
FOR X IN (SELECT X FROM TABLE_NAME 
WHERE COL1 = 'Something')) 
LOOP 
Do a whole lot of stuff in database here.. 
LOOP END; 

I would guess that the cursor would follow similar execution criteria but
using 
the cursor syntax. 

Any ideas? 

TIA 
regards 
Denham Eva 
Oracle DBA 
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Which is beter a cursor or a for loop?



Denham
 
The for loop 
is a lot easier to read.  It can be a real pain scrolling to the top every 
time you want to see what such-and-such a cursor is doing.  On the other 
hand, it can be a bit limiting in more 'advanced' situations - eg. you can't 
mess around with cursor%rowtype variables and you can't fetch from the cursor in 
more than one place.
 
Regards
David 
Lord

  -Original Message-From: Denham Eva 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: 24 February 2003 08:39To: 
  Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-LSubject: Which is beter a 
  cursor or a for loop?
  Hello, 
  I was just asked by one of our developers which is 
  beter to use:- a cursor or a for 
  loop? I must admit I am not sure 
  
  Anyway the specific piece of code in discussion is 
  similar to the following    
      FOR X IN (SELECT X FROM TABLE_NAME 
      
          WHERE COL1 = 'Something'))     
  LOOP    
 
  Do a whole lot of stuff in database here..     LOOP 
  END; 
  I would guess that the cursor would follow similar 
  execution criteria but using the cursor 
  syntax. 
  Any ideas? 
  TIA regards Denham Eva Oracle 
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RE: Which is beter a cursor or a for loop?

2003-02-24 Thread Stephane Faroult
>Hello,
>
>I was just asked by one of our developers which is
>beter to use:-
>a cursor or a for loop?
>I must admit I am not sure
>
>Anyway the specific piece of code in discussion is
>similar to the
>following
>   
>FOR X IN (SELECT X FROM TABLE_NAME
>WHERE COL1 = 'Something'))
>LOOP
>Do a whole lot of stuff in database
>here..
>LOOP END;
>
>I would guess that the cursor would follow similar
>execution criteria but
>using 
>the cursor syntax.
>
>Any ideas?
>
>TIA
>regards
>Denham Eva
>Oracle DBA
>The real problem is not whether machines think but
>whether men do.
>- B. F. Skinner

Down with loops.

Regards,

Stephane Faroult
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RE: Which is beter a cursor or a for loop?

2003-02-24 Thread Thomas, Kevin
I would suggest that the cursor is the best way to go.
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Hello, 

I was just asked by one of our developers which is beter to use:- 
a cursor or a for loop? 
I must admit I am not sure 

Anyway the specific piece of code in discussion is similar to the
following 
   
FOR X IN (SELECT X FROM TABLE_NAME 
WHERE COL1 = 'Something')) 
LOOP 
Do a whole lot of stuff in database here.. 
LOOP END; 

I would guess that the cursor would follow similar execution criteria but
using 
the cursor syntax. 

Any ideas? 

TIA 
regards 
Denham Eva 
Oracle DBA 
The real problem is not whether machines think but whether men do. 
- B. F. Skinner 


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Which is beter a cursor or a for loop?

2003-02-24 Thread Denham Eva
Title: Which is beter a cursor or a for loop?





Hello,


I was just asked by one of our developers which is beter to use:-
a cursor or a for loop?
I must admit I am not sure


Anyway the specific piece of code in discussion is similar to the following
   
    FOR X IN (SELECT X FROM TABLE_NAME
            WHERE COL1 = 'Something'))
    LOOP
    Do a whole lot of stuff in database here..
    LOOP END;


I would guess that the cursor would follow similar execution criteria but using 
the cursor syntax.


Any ideas?


TIA
regards
Denham Eva
Oracle DBA
The real problem is not whether machines think but whether men do.
- B. F. Skinner






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