RE: RE: World's largest database...

2002-04-18 Thread DENNIS WILLIAMS

Forgive a quick story on the LDS. Previously their hardware vendor was CDC.
They were always tape-based, but decided to go on-line. Dedicated terminal
at each location worldwide. CDC was excited, to say the least. Prospects of
banks of mainframes, disk farms. But common sense struck before the contract
was signed. The LDS decided they could simply have a PC in each location,
and every few months burn new CD-ROMs. After all, dead people don't change
much. CDC was crestfallen. Seriously, I understand that if you ever get into
family genealogy, the LDS is a offers wonderful resources for free.
Dennis Williams
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I can believe that - I think they are the group that offers all the
geneaology services to track family histories.  I'll bet that's one heck of
database too!

Jim

"Boivin, Patrice J" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>At the Oracle Technology Day here they mentioned that one of the largest
>databases belongs to the Church Of Latter Day Saints, if you can believe
it.
>
>They mentioned it in a seminar which also talked about iFS, I don't know
>they were implying that it relies on iFS.
>
>Regards,
>Patrice Boivin
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RE: RE: World's largest database...

2002-04-18 Thread Ron Rogers

Ian,
 Your statements are backed up with web info from the BaBar project. 
Wow 2000 yes thousand CPU's and 100 servers. A very interesting work
location.
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RE: RE: World's largest database...

2002-04-18 Thread Ron Rogers

Ian,
 Thanks for the information about "objectivity". It sparked my
curiosity and I looked it up on the web. One of the hits was a report by
CHEP and their look into objectivity. 
 If you know of a contact at CHEP you might question them and how they
handled their database problems. They are a user of Oracle and were
looking for an Oracle DBA with tera-byte experience a while back.
Ron
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RE: RE: RE: World's largest database...

2002-04-18 Thread Jim Hawkins

Ian,

Thanks for the info.  Very interesting.

Jim

"MacGregor, Ian A." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>The  0.5 petabyte database at SLAC does not use Oracle;  it uses Objectivity.   
>Objectivity is a small company which makes an OODB.  When the project started there 
>was no way that Oracle could possibly handle this.  It is still doubtful: Oracle does 
>not truly support Hierarchical Storage Systems;  using one huge RAC ties limits your 
>machine vendors; some limits such as 64,000 partitions probably need to be increased.
>
>CERN is however very interested in using Oracle for their Large Hadronic Collider, 
>but that's about seven years off.  That database will surpass BABAR's which as of 
>00:01:13 this morning (April 18 2002) was storing 549.6 TB has been stored in 324603 
>files.  CERN's possible use of Oracle is not due to failures in Objectivity, but due 
> to that company's inability to capture market share.  They are hoping the problems 
>which prevent Oracle from handling large databases can be fixed by then.    I am also 
>hoping for this, but I fear Oracle may prove to be an uncooperative prohibitedly 
>expensive partner.
>
>
>Here we have plans to turn up the luminosity.  If approved the database will reach 
>one exabyte by the end of the experiment.
>
>I don't believe the genealogy databases are even close to 500 TB.
>
>
>Ian MacGregor
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>I can believe that - I think they are the group that offers all the geneaology 
>services to track family histories.  I'll bet that's one heck of database too!
>
>Jim
>
>"Boivin, Patrice J" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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>>At the Oracle Technology Day here they mentioned that one of the largest
>>databases belongs to the Church Of Latter Day Saints, if you can believe it.
>>
>>They mentioned it in a seminar which also talked about iFS, I don't know
>>they were implying that it relies on iFS.
>>
>>Regards,
>>Patrice Boivin
>>Systems Analyst (Oracle Certified DBA)
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>>http://www.computerworld.com/storyba/0,4125,NAV47_STO70250,00.html
>>
>>I thought we had someone on this list from this group, and was just
>>wondering if this particular database was in Oracle or not.
>>
>>Jim
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RE: RE: World's largest database...

2002-04-18 Thread MacGregor, Ian A.

The  0.5 petabyte database at SLAC does not use Oracle;  it uses Objectivity.   
Objectivity is a small company which makes an OODB.  When the project started there 
was no way that Oracle could possibly handle this.  It is still doubtful: Oracle does 
not truly support Hierarchical Storage Systems;  using one huge RAC ties limits your 
machine vendors; some limits such as 64,000 partitions probably need to be increased.

CERN is however very interested in using Oracle for their Large Hadronic Collider, but 
that's about seven years off.  That database will surpass BABAR's which as of 00:01:13 
this morning (April 18 2002) was storing 549.6 TB has been stored in 324603 files.  
CERN's possible use of Oracle is not due to failures in Objectivity, but due  to that 
company's inability to capture market share.  They are hoping the problems which 
prevent Oracle from handling large databases can be fixed by then.I am also hoping 
for this, but I fear Oracle may prove to be an uncooperative prohibitedly expensive 
partner.


Here we have plans to turn up the luminosity.  If approved the database will reach one 
exabyte by the end of the experiment.

I don't believe the genealogy databases are even close to 500 TB.


Ian MacGregor
Stanford Linear Accelerator Center
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I can believe that - I think they are the group that offers all the geneaology 
services to track family histories.  I'll bet that's one heck of database too!

Jim

"Boivin, Patrice J" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>At the Oracle Technology Day here they mentioned that one of the largest
>databases belongs to the Church Of Latter Day Saints, if you can believe it.
>
>They mentioned it in a seminar which also talked about iFS, I don't know
>they were implying that it relies on iFS.
>
>Regards,
>Patrice Boivin
>Systems Analyst (Oracle Certified DBA)
>
>
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>I thought we had someone on this list from this group, and was just
>wondering if this particular database was in Oracle or not.
>
>Jim
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Re: World's largest database...

2002-04-18 Thread Ron Rogers

It could be renamed in the next release:
Recovery With Out MANagement. RWOMAN!
Ron
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500tb, guess a good reason to use Rman!  Do notice its not called
Rwoman :)

>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 04/18/02 10:53AM >>>
Why no ask Ian MacGregor he's the DBA at the SLA.  RBG
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http://www.computerworld.com/storyba/0,4125,NAV47_STO70250,00.html 

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Re: World's largest database...

2002-04-18 Thread Gene Sais

500tb, guess a good reason to use Rman!  Do notice its not called Rwoman :)

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RE: World's largest database...

2002-04-18 Thread Mark Leith

http://www.slac.stanford.edu/BFROOT/www/Computing/Offline/Databases/Conditio
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'fraid not, though Oracle would love it to be their RDBMS it's
Objectivity/DB.

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Re: World's largest database...

2002-04-18 Thread Jared Still


If it's the same one that Ian MacGregor spoke of some time
ago, it's a distributed database in Objectivity, not Oracle.

Jared

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RE: RE: World's largest database...

2002-04-18 Thread Jim Hawkins

I can believe that - I think they are the group that offers all the geneaology 
services to track family histories.  I'll bet that's one heck of database too!

Jim

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>At the Oracle Technology Day here they mentioned that one of the largest
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>They mentioned it in a seminar which also talked about iFS, I don't know
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Re: World's largest database...

2002-04-18 Thread Ruth Gramolini

Why no ask Ian MacGregor he's the DBA at the SLA.  RBG
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RE: World's largest database...

2002-04-18 Thread Hately Mike

'fraid not, though Oracle would love it to be their RDBMS it's
Objectivity/DB.

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RE: World's largest database...

2002-04-18 Thread Boivin, Patrice J

At the Oracle Technology Day here they mentioned that one of the largest
databases belongs to the Church Of Latter Day Saints, if you can believe it.

They mentioned it in a seminar which also talked about iFS, I don't know
they were implying that it relies on iFS.

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World's largest database...

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