RE: Oracle Training
Whatever you choose, I would recommend a program that has evening classes over a 2-4 month period. Ive always been skeptical of 5-10 days all day classes. Too much information too fast. That may not be an option for you if you have other obligations, but its generally the best way to learn when your new at this. Id ask the following questions of any training company and Id also ask to sit in on a class and speak to students. 1. Do your students have real world experience. Not just the teachers. Since you do this for a living you really dont want to be in a class with lots of total novices. They will slow the class down. 2. Do your instructors actually do this for a living or are they full time instructors. If they are full time instructors did they ever do this for a living? Ive seen instructors who have little to know experience and cant do much outside of what is in the book. 3. Focus on the curriculum. If they are just teaching out of a certification book, it wont be as good as if they designed their own curriculum. 4. When you sit in on the class talk to the students and find out if they have real world experience. See if some of the students ask alot of questions and slow up the class and see how the instructor deals with it. Does he press on or get bogged down? -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: <[EMAIL PROTECTED] INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Oracle Training
And the teachers at the Madison G&R training center are frequently either Oracle contractors or ex-oracle employees. April Wells Oracle DBA Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds -- Albert Einstein -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 12:39 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Hey Dave, In Madison, Greenbrier & Russell -- I believe they were the first Oracle Certifed Partner -- has many Oracle classes. I've been happy with the Milwaukee-area classes. http://www.gr.com/what/classhtml/coursesbylocation_madison.asp HTH! GL! :) Rich Rich JesseSystem/Database Administrator [EMAIL PROTECTED] Quad/Tech International, Sussex, WI USA -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 11:45 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L I have been told that I will finally get a budget for some training and want to get some in Oracle. I see that Learning Tree has some classes. Do you guys have any recommendations to links to point me to other sources for classes. Everything I have learned has been from RTFM and books from some of this lists esteemed members. Sometimes it is nice to have a class to move to the next level quicker than from reading. Any recommendations will be great. Thanks, Dave -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Jesse, Rich INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). The information contained in this communication, including attachments, is strictly confidential and for the intended use of the addressee only; it may also contain proprietary, price sensitive, or legally privileged information. Notice is hereby given that any disclosure, distribution, dissemination, use, or copying of the information by anyone other than the intended recipient is strictly prohibited and may be illegal. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately by reply e-mail, delete this communication, and destroy all copies. Corporate Systems, Inc. has taken reasonable precautions to ensure that any attachment to this e-mail has been swept for viruses. We specifically disclaim all liability and will accept no responsibility for any damage sustained as a result of software viruses and advise you to carry out your own virus checks before opening any attachment. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: April Wells INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Oracle Training
Yet another choice: www.thinkspark.com -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Stephen Lee INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Oracle Training
Consider TUSC for your training needs. We offer all sorts of Oracle classes. www.tusc.com. Robert G. Freeman Technical Management Consultant TUSC - www.tusc.com Author of several books you can buy on Amazon.com! -Original Message- To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Sent: 2/6/2003 11:45 AM I have been told that I will finally get a budget for some training and want to get some in Oracle. I see that Learning Tree has some classes. Do you guys have any recommendations to links to point me to other sources for classes. Everything I have learned has been from RTFM and books from some of this lists esteemed members. Sometimes it is nice to have a class to move to the next level quicker than from reading. Any recommendations will be great. Thanks, Dave -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Farnsworth, Dave INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Freeman Robert - IL INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Oracle Training
Hey Dave, In Madison, Greenbrier & Russell -- I believe they were the first Oracle Certifed Partner -- has many Oracle classes. I've been happy with the Milwaukee-area classes. http://www.gr.com/what/classhtml/coursesbylocation_madison.asp HTH! GL! :) Rich Rich JesseSystem/Database Administrator [EMAIL PROTECTED] Quad/Tech International, Sussex, WI USA -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 11:45 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L I have been told that I will finally get a budget for some training and want to get some in Oracle. I see that Learning Tree has some classes. Do you guys have any recommendations to links to point me to other sources for classes. Everything I have learned has been from RTFM and books from some of this lists esteemed members. Sometimes it is nice to have a class to move to the next level quicker than from reading. Any recommendations will be great. Thanks, Dave -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Jesse, Rich INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Oracle Training
I have been told that I will finally get a budget for some training and want to get some in Oracle. I see that Learning Tree has some classes. Do you guys have any recommendations to links to point me to other sources for classes. Everything I have learned has been from RTFM and books from some of this lists esteemed members. Sometimes it is nice to have a class to move to the next level quicker than from reading. Any recommendations will be great. Thanks, Dave -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Farnsworth, Dave INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
ADMIN: Oracle Training from InterTrain SPAM
I have found the method that InterTrain had used to gather your E-mail addresses, and I've shut it off and banned them from future access. I hope that's the last we'll hear from them. thanks, bruce ListMaster, Fat City Network Services -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Bruce Bergman INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re[2]: Spam - Re: Oracle Training from InterTrain
Yeah, but what if it's real spam where they faked their address? Then we have to live with all of the bounced messages. Darn ugly way to get back at them. Dick Goulet Reply Separator Author: "Richard Ji" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: 10/29/2001 5:45 PM In the future, if we get a spam like this, may I suggest we add that person to our mailing list? This way we SPAM them right back (at least with useful stuff and maybe they will become a DBA). Since they e-mailed us first which expressed an interest in our mailing list, I think it's only fair that we include them. Richard >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 10/29/01 05:15PM >>> I've always found that it's much more fun and creative to respond to things using perfectly proper English that still slashes them to ribbons.. --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Here's the email I received this morning from Cindy Conners in > regards > to my inquiry Friday when she spammed many list members. > > It appears that this wasn't actually her fault. I know lot's of > cynics > will > disagree, but that's tough. > > I must say I'm a little dissapointed that so many folks responded to > her with profanity. I'm always dismayed at the number of people > that are unable to express themselves without resorting to vulgar > speech. Get a dictionary and a thesaurus and learn to use them. > > Jared > > > - Forwarded by Jared Still/Radisys_Corporation/US on 10/29/01 > 09:28 AM > - > > > "Cindy Connors" > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > train.net>cc: > > Subject: Re: Oracle > Training from InterTrain > 10/29/01 10:35 > > AM > > > > > > > > > > I sincerely apologize. This list was forwarded to me internally > without any > indication of its source. I assumed that I was to send out one of our > standard emails. This is my fault for not checking it out before I > sent my > email. > > I appreciate your response to explain to me my error. Obviously, many > people > objected. There are 137 messages in my inbox this morning that emails > to me > were rejected by our server that because they contained profanity. > You have > a tough crowd. > > I was never my intention to harm anyone. As list manager, can you > suggest > the best way for me to apologize to everyone and assure them it will > not > happen again. > > Cindy Connors > > -Original Message- > To: Cindy Connors <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > >Cindy, > > > >Spamming addresses harvested from mailing lists is not considered > good > >netiquette. > > > >Personally, I don't care. A large number of folks that subscribe to > this > >list do care > >however, so I felt that as owner of the list I should say something. > > > >Please don't do it again. > > > >Thank You > > > >Jared Still > >Owner of [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > -- > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com > -- > Author: > INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 > San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing > Lists > > To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message > to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in > the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L > (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may > also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). __ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Perso
RE: Spam - Re: Oracle Training from InterTrain
Be sure to add them to the OT list for some "alternative" reading!! Dave -Original Message- Sent: Monday, October 29, 2001 7:45 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L In the future, if we get a spam like this, may I suggest we add that person to our mailing list? This way we SPAM them right back (at least with useful stuff and maybe they will become a DBA). Since they e-mailed us first which expressed an interest in our mailing list, I think it's only fair that we include them. Richard >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 10/29/01 05:15PM >>> I've always found that it's much more fun and creative to respond to things using perfectly proper English that still slashes them to ribbons.. --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Here's the email I received this morning from Cindy Conners in > regards > to my inquiry Friday when she spammed many list members. > > It appears that this wasn't actually her fault. I know lot's of > cynics > will > disagree, but that's tough. > > I must say I'm a little dissapointed that so many folks responded to > her with profanity. I'm always dismayed at the number of people > that are unable to express themselves without resorting to vulgar > speech. Get a dictionary and a thesaurus and learn to use them. > > Jared > > > - Forwarded by Jared Still/Radisys_Corporation/US on 10/29/01 > 09:28 AM > - > > > "Cindy Connors" > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > train.net>cc: > > Subject: Re: Oracle > Training from InterTrain > 10/29/01 10:35 > > AM > > > > > > > > > > I sincerely apologize. This list was forwarded to me internally > without any > indication of its source. I assumed that I was to send out one of our > standard emails. This is my fault for not checking it out before I > sent my > email. > > I appreciate your response to explain to me my error. Obviously, many > people > objected. There are 137 messages in my inbox this morning that emails > to me > were rejected by our server that because they contained profanity. > You have > a tough crowd. > > I was never my intention to harm anyone. As list manager, can you > suggest > the best way for me to apologize to everyone and assure them it will > not > happen again. > > Cindy Connors > > -Original Message- > To: Cindy Connors <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > >Cindy, > > > >Spamming addresses harvested from mailing lists is not considered > good > >netiquette. > > > >Personally, I don't care. A large number of folks that subscribe to > this > >list do care > >however, so I felt that as owner of the list I should say something. > > > >Please don't do it again. > > > >Thank You > > > >Jared Still > >Owner of [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > -- > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com > -- > Author: > INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 > San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing > Lists > > To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message > to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in > the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L > (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may > also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). __ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Rachel Carmichael
Re: Spam - Re: Oracle Training from InterTrain
In the future, if we get a spam like this, may I suggest we add that person to our mailing list? This way we SPAM them right back (at least with useful stuff and maybe they will become a DBA). Since they e-mailed us first which expressed an interest in our mailing list, I think it's only fair that we include them. Richard >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 10/29/01 05:15PM >>> I've always found that it's much more fun and creative to respond to things using perfectly proper English that still slashes them to ribbons.. --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Here's the email I received this morning from Cindy Conners in > regards > to my inquiry Friday when she spammed many list members. > > It appears that this wasn't actually her fault. I know lot's of > cynics > will > disagree, but that's tough. > > I must say I'm a little dissapointed that so many folks responded to > her with profanity. I'm always dismayed at the number of people > that are unable to express themselves without resorting to vulgar > speech. Get a dictionary and a thesaurus and learn to use them. > > Jared > > > - Forwarded by Jared Still/Radisys_Corporation/US on 10/29/01 > 09:28 AM > - > > > "Cindy Connors" > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > train.net>cc: > > Subject: Re: Oracle > Training from InterTrain > 10/29/01 10:35 > > AM > > > > > > > > > > I sincerely apologize. This list was forwarded to me internally > without any > indication of its source. I assumed that I was to send out one of our > standard emails. This is my fault for not checking it out before I > sent my > email. > > I appreciate your response to explain to me my error. Obviously, many > people > objected. There are 137 messages in my inbox this morning that emails > to me > were rejected by our server that because they contained profanity. > You have > a tough crowd. > > I was never my intention to harm anyone. As list manager, can you > suggest > the best way for me to apologize to everyone and assure them it will > not > happen again. > > Cindy Connors > > -Original Message- > To: Cindy Connors <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > >Cindy, > > > >Spamming addresses harvested from mailing lists is not considered > good > >netiquette. > > > >Personally, I don't care. A large number of folks that subscribe to > this > >list do care > >however, so I felt that as owner of the list I should say something. > > > >Please don't do it again. > > > >Thank You > > > >Jared Still > >Owner of [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > -- > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com > -- > Author: > INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 > San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing > Lists > > To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message > to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in > the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L > (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may > also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). __ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Rachel Carmichael INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists --
Spam - Re: Oracle Training from InterTrain
Here's the email I received this morning from Cindy Conners in regards
to my inquiry Friday when she spammed many list members.
It appears that this wasn't actually her fault. I know lot's of cynics
will
disagree, but that's tough.
I must say I'm a little dissapointed that so many folks responded to
her with profanity. I'm always dismayed at the number of people
that are unable to express themselves without resorting to vulgar
speech. Get a dictionary and a thesaurus and learn to use them.
Jared
- Forwarded by Jared Still/Radisys_Corporation/US on 10/29/01 09:28 AM
-
"Cindy Connors"
train.net>cc:
Subject: Re: Oracle Training from
InterTrain
10/29/01 10:35
AM
I sincerely apologize. This list was forwarded to me internally without any
indication of its source. I assumed that I was to send out one of our
standard emails. This is my fault for not checking it out before I sent my
email.
I appreciate your response to explain to me my error. Obviously, many
people
objected. There are 137 messages in my inbox this morning that emails to me
were rejected by our server that because they contained profanity. You have
a tough crowd.
I was never my intention to harm anyone. As list manager, can you suggest
the best way for me to apologize to everyone and assure them it will not
happen again.
Cindy Connors
-Original Message-
To: Cindy Connors <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
>
>Cindy,
>
>Spamming addresses harvested from mailing lists is not considered good
>netiquette.
>
>Personally, I don't care. A large number of folks that subscribe to this
>list do care
>however, so I felt that as owner of the list I should say something.
>
>Please don't do it again.
>
>Thank You
>
>Jared Still
>Owner of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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RE: FW: Oracle Training from InterTrain SPAM
I just got phoned by them, obviously fishing for information. David > -Original Message- > From: Jared Still [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: 28 October 2001 09:50 > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > Subject: Re: FW: Oracle Training from InterTrain SPAM > > > > good idea. > > I'll to it tomorrow, er, later today. > > Jared > > On Friday 26 October 2001 19:55, Rachel Carmichael wrote: > > report her to spamcop > > > > --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > Yeah, I've asked her to knock it off. > > > > > > The reply was more spam. > > > > > > Jared > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Koivu, Lisa" > > > > > > > > recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > field.com> cc: > > > > > > Sent by:Subject: > FW: Oracle > > > Training from InterTrain SPAM > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10/26/01 01:50 PM > > > > > > Please respond to > > > > > > ORACLE-L > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyone else get this spam? > > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 6:47 PM > > > To: Bambi Bellows; Brian Norrell; Charlie Mengler; Cherie > > > Machler; > > > Chris Guidry; Danny Hughes; Dave Farnsworth; Don Bricker; > Greg Moore; > > > Jack > > > Applewhite; Jacques Kilchoer; James Howerton; Jared Still; Jim > > > Conboy; Joe > > > Testa; Kathy Duret; Kenneth Janusz; Kimberly Smith; Kirti > Deshpande; > > > Lisa > > > Koivu; Martin Brown; Mohan Ross; Ramon Estevez; Rick > Stephenson; Ron > > > Yount; > > > Ruth Gramolini; Scott Canaan; Shari Dishop; Steve Adams; Steven > > > Lembark; > > > Thomas Mercadante; Val Gamerman > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The InterTrain Group is an International IT Training Company > > > specializing > > > in Oracle Training Services. Having established our > reputation in the > > > UK > > > with over 6 years of commitment to quality, InterTrain > has expanded > > > its > > > highly regarded services into the US, Europe and Australia. > > > > > > > > > Our training strategy is to provide independent business focused > > > training > > > for the following: > > > > > > > > > > > > Oracle Financials - Customized Financials training using your > > > data and > > > developed around your business process. > > > Oracle Technical Products - Training on the entire > Oracle Suite > > > including Oracle8i, Designer 6i, Discoverer, DBA, > Oracle 9iAS, > > > Oracle > > > Portal. > > > Legacy Products - Continued training support for > Oracle legacy > > > products > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you would like to know more about our training please visit our > > > web site > > > (be sure and click on the US flag) or call me at our Secaucus, NJ > > > location. > > > > > > > > > Cindy Connors > > > National Sales Manager > > > The InterTrain Group > > > Office: 201-223-4990 > > > Mobile: 201-965-5982 > > > Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com > > > -- > > > Author: > > > INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: > (858) 538-5051 > > > San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing > > > Lists > > > > > > > To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message > > > to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of > 'ListGuru') and in > > > the message BOD
RE: FW: Oracle Training from InterTrain SPAM
Title: RE: FW: Oracle Training from InterTrain SPAM I was not spammed but they rang me up just now. I played hell with them and told them how unethical they were. The lady (Debbie Worrell) said that I must have expressed an interest on their web site, which I certainly did not. The real giveaway was that they had my desk phone number and knew the company I worked for. All that information was in my signature on several e-mails I have pozsted to the Oracle-L list. John -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 26 October 01 23:08 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: Re:FW: Oracle Training from InterTrain SPAM Sure did, used the delete key on it. Dick Goulet Reply Separator Author: "Koivu; Lisa" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: 10/26/2001 12:50 PM Anyone else get this spam? > -Original Message- > From: Cindy Connors [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 6:47 PM > To: Bambi Bellows; Brian Norrell; Charlie Mengler; Cherie Machler; Chris > Guidry; Danny Hughes; Dave Farnsworth; Don Bricker; Greg Moore; Jack > Applewhite; Jacques Kilchoer; James Howerton; Jared Still; Jim Conboy; Joe > Testa; Kathy Duret; Kenneth Janusz; Kimberly Smith; Kirti Deshpande; Lisa > Koivu; Martin Brown; Mohan Ross; Ramon Estevez; Rick Stephenson; Ron > Yount; Ruth Gramolini; Scott Canaan; Shari Dishop; Steve Adams; Steven > Lembark; Thomas Mercadante; Val Gamerman > Subject: Oracle Training from InterTrain > > The InterTrain Group is an International IT Training Company specializing > in Oracle Training Services. Having established our reputation in the UK > with over 6 years of commitment to quality, InterTrain has expanded its > highly regarded services into the US, Europe and Australia. > > Our training strategy is to provide independent business focused training > for the following: > > > * Oracle Financials - Customized Financials training using your data > and developed around your business process. > * Oracle Technical Products - Training on the entire Oracle Suite > including Oracle8i, Designer 6i, Discoverer, DBA, Oracle 9iAS, Oracle > Portal. > * Legacy Products - Continued training support for Oracle legacy > products > > > > If you would like to know more about our training please visit our web > site (be sure and click on the US flag) or call me at our Secaucus, NJ > location. > > Cindy Connors > National Sales Manager > The InterTrain Group > Office: 201-223-4990 > Mobile: 201-965-5982 > Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > FW: Oracle Training from InterTrain SPAM Anyone else get this spam? -Original Message- From: FACE="Arial">Cindy Connors [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: FACE="Arial">Friday, October 26, 2001 6:47 PM To: SIZE=1 FACE="Arial">Bambi Bellows; Brian Norrell; Charlie Mengler; Cherie Machler; Chris Guidry; Danny Hughes; Dave Farnsworth; Don Bricker; Greg Moore; Jack Applewhite; Jacques Kilchoer; James Howerton; Jared Still; Jim Conboy; Joe Testa; Kathy Duret; Kenneth Janusz; Kimberly Smith; Kirti Deshpande; Lisa Koivu; Martin Brown; Mohan Ross; Ramon Estevez; Rick Stephenson; Ron Yount; Ruth Gramolini; Scott Canaan; Shari Dishop; Steve Adams; Steven Lembark; Thomas Mercadante; Val Gamerman FACE="Arial">Subject: SIZE=1 FACE="Arial">Oracle Training from InterTrain The InterTrain Group is an International IT Training Company specializing in Oracle Training Services. Having established our reputation in the UK with over 6 years of commitment to quality, InterTrain has expanded its highly regarded services into the US, Europe and Australia. Our training strategy is to provide independent business focused training for the following: Oracle Financials SIZE=2 FACE="Comic Sans MS"> - Customized Financials training using your data and developed around your business process. Oracle Technical Products - Training on the entire FACE="Comic Sans MS"> Oracle Suite including Oracle8i, Designer 6i, Discoverer, DBA, Oracle 9iAS, Oracle Portal. Legacy Products FACE="Comic Sans MS"> - Continued training support for Oracle legacy products If you would like to know more about our training please visit our web site (be sure and click on the US flag) or call me at our Secaucus, NJ location. Cindy Connors National Sales Manager The InterTrain Group Office: 201-223-4990 Mobile: 201-965-5982 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] < HREF="" HREF="">mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]">mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> NT> -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: INET: [EMAIL PROTE
Re: FW: Oracle Training from InterTrain SPAM
good idea. I'll to it tomorrow, er, later today. Jared On Friday 26 October 2001 19:55, Rachel Carmichael wrote: > report her to spamcop > > --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Yeah, I've asked her to knock it off. > > > > The reply was more spam. > > > > Jared > > > > > > > > > > > > "Koivu, Lisa" > > > > > recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > field.com> cc: > > > > Sent by:Subject: FW: Oracle > > Training from InterTrain SPAM > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > > > 10/26/01 01:50 PM > > > > Please respond to > > > > ORACLE-L > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyone else get this spam? > > > > > > -Original Message- > > Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 6:47 PM > > To: Bambi Bellows; Brian Norrell; Charlie Mengler; Cherie > > Machler; > > Chris Guidry; Danny Hughes; Dave Farnsworth; Don Bricker; Greg Moore; > > Jack > > Applewhite; Jacques Kilchoer; James Howerton; Jared Still; Jim > > Conboy; Joe > > Testa; Kathy Duret; Kenneth Janusz; Kimberly Smith; Kirti Deshpande; > > Lisa > > Koivu; Martin Brown; Mohan Ross; Ramon Estevez; Rick Stephenson; Ron > > Yount; > > Ruth Gramolini; Scott Canaan; Shari Dishop; Steve Adams; Steven > > Lembark; > > Thomas Mercadante; Val Gamerman > > > > > > > > > > The InterTrain Group is an International IT Training Company > > specializing > > in Oracle Training Services. Having established our reputation in the > > UK > > with over 6 years of commitment to quality, InterTrain has expanded > > its > > highly regarded services into the US, Europe and Australia. > > > > > > Our training strategy is to provide independent business focused > > training > > for the following: > > > > > > > > Oracle Financials - Customized Financials training using your > > data and > > developed around your business process. > > Oracle Technical Products - Training on the entire Oracle Suite > > including Oracle8i, Designer 6i, Discoverer, DBA, Oracle 9iAS, > > Oracle > > Portal. > > Legacy Products - Continued training support for Oracle legacy > > products > > > > > > > > > > > > If you would like to know more about our training please visit our > > web site > > (be sure and click on the US flag) or call me at our Secaucus, NJ > > location. > > > > > > Cindy Connors > > National Sales Manager > > The InterTrain Group > > Office: 201-223-4990 > > Mobile: 201-965-5982 > > Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com > > -- > > Author: > > INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 > > San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing > > Lists > > > > To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message > > to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in > > the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L > > (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may > > also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). > > __ > Do You Yahoo!? > Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. > http://personals.yahoo.com -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Jared Still INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Oracle Training from InterTrain SPAM
Title: FW: Oracle Training from InterTrain SPAM What makes me laugh is that they actually sent a message offering Oracle training to Steve Adams !!LOL!! Nice one spam monkey!! -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Bellows, BambiSent: Friday, October 26, 2001 22:25To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-LSubject: RE: Oracle Training from InterTrain SPAM Yep. There's a list of suckers in the To list, and I am A-number-1 sucker du jour. Bambi. -Original Message-From: Koivu, Lisa [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 3:50 PMTo: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-LSubject: FW: Oracle Training from InterTrain SPAM Anyone else get this spam? -Original Message- From: Cindy Connors [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 6:47 PM To: Bambi Bellows; Brian Norrell; Charlie Mengler; Cherie Machler; Chris Guidry; Danny Hughes; Dave Farnsworth; Don Bricker; Greg Moore; Jack Applewhite; Jacques Kilchoer; James Howerton; Jared Still; Jim Conboy; Joe Testa; Kathy Duret; Kenneth Janusz; Kimberly Smith; Kirti Deshpande; Lisa Koivu; Martin Brown; Mohan Ross; Ramon Estevez; Rick Stephenson; Ron Yount; Ruth Gramolini; Scott Canaan; Shari Dishop; Steve Adams; Steven Lembark; Thomas Mercadante; Val Gamerman Subject: Oracle Training from InterTrain The InterTrain Group is an International IT Training Company specializing in Oracle Training Services. Having established our reputation in the UK with over 6 years of commitment to quality, InterTrain has expanded its highly regarded services into the US, Europe and Australia. Our training strategy is to provide independent business focused training for the following: · Oracle Financials - Customized Financials training using your data and developed around your business process. · Oracle Technical Products - Training on the entire Oracle Suite including Oracle8i, Designer 6i, Discoverer, DBA, Oracle 9iAS, Oracle Portal. · Legacy Products - Continued training support for Oracle legacy products If you would like to know more about our training please visit our web site (be sure and click on the US flag) or call me at our Secaucus, NJ location. Cindy Connors National Sales ManagerThe InterTrain GroupOffice: 201-223-4990Mobile: 201-965-5982Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Re: FW: Oracle Training from InterTrain SPAM
report her to spamcop --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > Yeah, I've asked her to knock it off. > > The reply was more spam. > > Jared > > > > > > "Koivu, Lisa" > > recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > field.com> cc: > > Sent by:Subject: FW: Oracle > Training from InterTrain SPAM > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > 10/26/01 01:50 PM > > Please respond to > > ORACLE-L > > > > > > > > > > Anyone else get this spam? > > > -Original Message- > Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 6:47 PM > To: Bambi Bellows; Brian Norrell; Charlie Mengler; Cherie > Machler; > Chris Guidry; Danny Hughes; Dave Farnsworth; Don Bricker; Greg Moore; > Jack > Applewhite; Jacques Kilchoer; James Howerton; Jared Still; Jim > Conboy; Joe > Testa; Kathy Duret; Kenneth Janusz; Kimberly Smith; Kirti Deshpande; > Lisa > Koivu; Martin Brown; Mohan Ross; Ramon Estevez; Rick Stephenson; Ron > Yount; > Ruth Gramolini; Scott Canaan; Shari Dishop; Steve Adams; Steven > Lembark; > Thomas Mercadante; Val Gamerman > > > > > The InterTrain Group is an International IT Training Company > specializing > in Oracle Training Services. Having established our reputation in the > UK > with over 6 years of commitment to quality, InterTrain has expanded > its > highly regarded services into the US, Europe and Australia. > > > Our training strategy is to provide independent business focused > training > for the following: > > > > Oracle Financials - Customized Financials training using your > data and > developed around your business process. > Oracle Technical Products - Training on the entire Oracle Suite > including Oracle8i, Designer 6i, Discoverer, DBA, Oracle 9iAS, > Oracle > Portal. > Legacy Products - Continued training support for Oracle legacy > products > > > > > > If you would like to know more about our training please visit our > web site > (be sure and click on the US flag) or call me at our Secaucus, NJ > location. > > > Cindy Connors > National Sales Manager > The InterTrain Group > Office: 201-223-4990 > Mobile: 201-965-5982 > Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > > > -- > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com > -- > Author: > INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 > San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing > Lists > > To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message > to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in > the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L > (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may > also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). __ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Rachel Carmichael INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: FW: Oracle Training from InterTrain SPAM
Yeah, I've asked her to knock it off. The reply was more spam. Jared "Koivu, Lisa" field.com> cc: Sent by: Subject: FW: Oracle Training from InterTrain SPAM [EMAIL PROTECTED] 10/26/01 01:50 PM Please respond to ORACLE-L Anyone else get this spam? -Original Message- Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 6:47 PM To: Bambi Bellows; Brian Norrell; Charlie Mengler; Cherie Machler; Chris Guidry; Danny Hughes; Dave Farnsworth; Don Bricker; Greg Moore; Jack Applewhite; Jacques Kilchoer; James Howerton; Jared Still; Jim Conboy; Joe Testa; Kathy Duret; Kenneth Janusz; Kimberly Smith; Kirti Deshpande; Lisa Koivu; Martin Brown; Mohan Ross; Ramon Estevez; Rick Stephenson; Ron Yount; Ruth Gramolini; Scott Canaan; Shari Dishop; Steve Adams; Steven Lembark; Thomas Mercadante; Val Gamerman The InterTrain Group is an International IT Training Company specializing in Oracle Training Services. Having established our reputation in the UK with over 6 years of commitment to quality, InterTrain has expanded its highly regarded services into the US, Europe and Australia. Our training strategy is to provide independent business focused training for the following: Oracle Financials - Customized Financials training using your data and developed around your business process. Oracle Technical Products - Training on the entire Oracle Suite including Oracle8i, Designer 6i, Discoverer, DBA, Oracle 9iAS, Oracle Portal. Legacy Products - Continued training support for Oracle legacy products If you would like to know more about our training please visit our web site (be sure and click on the US flag) or call me at our Secaucus, NJ location. Cindy Connors National Sales Manager The InterTrain Group Office: 201-223-4990 Mobile: 201-965-5982 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Oracle Training from InterTrain
<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]@fatcity.com> Yaaa! I finally got it! Now I don't feel like a second-class DBA! -Original Message- Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 6:42 PM To: Abiy Alemu; Andrea Mohammed Ahsanuddin; Andrey Bronfin; Angela Quaglio; Anjan Thakuria; April Wells; Barbara Baker; Bill Becker; Bing Wong; Dale Edgar; David Wagoner; DENNIS WILLIAMS; Don Bricker; Eric Pierce; Forest Payne; Gene Sais; George Hofilena; George Schlossangle; Gordon Johnson; Henry Poras; Igor Oussoltsev; Ivo Libal; James Howerton; Jared Still; Jeff Wiegard; Kathy Duret; Kenneth Janusz; Kevin Toepke; Kimberly Smith; Lisa Koivu; Mladen Gogala; Nick Wagner; Nixon Villanueva; Paul Baumgartel; Paul Vallee; Peter Johnson; Prasada Gunda; Rajendra Jamadagni; Randy Aldridge; Richard Cale; Richard Ji; Rick Stephenson; Rivaldi Behar; Ron Rogers; Ron Yount; Ruth Gramolini; Shishir Kumar Mishra; Shrinivas Tatireddy; Singh Harvinder; Steve Adams; Tom Gallo; Tracy Rahmlow; Walt Weaver; Yosi Greenfield; Dick Goulet The InterTrain Group is an International IT Training Company specializing in Oracle Training Services. Having established our reputation in the UK with over 6 years of commitment to quality, InterTrain has expanded its highly regarded services into the US, Europe and Australia. Our training strategy is to provide independent business focused training for the following: * Oracle Financials - Customized Financials training using your data and developed around your business process. * Oracle Technical Products - Training on the entire Oracle Suite including Oracle8i, Designer 6i, Discoverer, DBA, Oracle 9iAS, Oracle Portal. * Legacy Products - Continued training support for Oracle legacy products If you would like to know more about our training please visit our web site (be sure and click on the US flag) or call me at our Secaucus, NJ location. Cindy Connors National Sales Manager The InterTrain Group Office: 201-223-4990 Mobile: 201-965-5982 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: DENNIS WILLIAMS INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re:FW: Oracle Training from InterTrain SPAM
Sure did, used the delete key on it. Dick Goulet Reply Separator Author: "Koivu; Lisa" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: 10/26/2001 12:50 PM Anyone else get this spam? > -Original Message- > From: Cindy Connors [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 6:47 PM > To: Bambi Bellows; Brian Norrell; Charlie Mengler; Cherie Machler; Chris > Guidry; Danny Hughes; Dave Farnsworth; Don Bricker; Greg Moore; Jack > Applewhite; Jacques Kilchoer; James Howerton; Jared Still; Jim Conboy; Joe > Testa; Kathy Duret; Kenneth Janusz; Kimberly Smith; Kirti Deshpande; Lisa > Koivu; Martin Brown; Mohan Ross; Ramon Estevez; Rick Stephenson; Ron > Yount; Ruth Gramolini; Scott Canaan; Shari Dishop; Steve Adams; Steven > Lembark; Thomas Mercadante; Val Gamerman > Subject: Oracle Training from InterTrain > > The InterTrain Group is an International IT Training Company specializing > in Oracle Training Services. Having established our reputation in the UK > with over 6 years of commitment to quality, InterTrain has expanded its > highly regarded services into the US, Europe and Australia. > > Our training strategy is to provide independent business focused training > for the following: > > > * Oracle Financials - Customized Financials training using your data > and developed around your business process. > * Oracle Technical Products - Training on the entire Oracle Suite > including Oracle8i, Designer 6i, Discoverer, DBA, Oracle 9iAS, Oracle > Portal. > * Legacy Products - Continued training support for Oracle legacy > products > > > > If you would like to know more about our training please visit our web > site (be sure and click on the US flag) or call me at our Secaucus, NJ > location. > > Cindy Connors > National Sales Manager > The InterTrain Group > Office: 201-223-4990 > Mobile: 201-965-5982 > Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > FW: Oracle Training from InterTrain SPAM Anyone else get this spam? -Original Message- From: Cindy Connors [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 6:47 PM To: Bambi Bellows; Brian Norrell; Charlie Mengler; Cherie Machler; Chris Guidry; Danny Hughes; Dave Farnsworth; Don Bricker; Greg Moore; Jack Applewhite; Jacques Kilchoer; James Howerton; Jared Still; Jim Conboy; Joe Testa; Kathy Duret; Kenneth Janusz; Kimberly Smith; Kirti Deshpande; Lisa Koivu; Martin Brown; Mohan Ross; Ramon Estevez; Rick Stephenson; Ron Yount; Ruth Gramolini; Scott Canaan; Shari Dishop; Steve Adams; Steven Lembark; Thomas Mercadante; Val Gamerman Subject: Oracle Training from InterTrain The InterTrain Group is an International IT Training Company specializing in Oracle Training Services. Having established our reputation in the UK with over 6 years of commitment to quality, InterTrain has expanded its highly regarded services into the US, Europe and Australia. Our training strategy is to provide independent business focused training for the following: Oracle Financials - Customized Financials training using your data and developed around your business process. Oracle Technical Products - Training on the entire Oracle Suite including Oracle8i, Designer 6i, Discoverer, DBA, Oracle 9iAS, Oracle Portal. Legacy Products - Continued training support for Oracle legacy products If you would like to know more about our training please visit our web site (be sure and click on the US flag) or call me at our Secaucus, NJ location. Cindy Connors National Sales Manager The InterTrain Group Office: 201-223-4990 Mobile: 201-965-5982 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]";>mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Oracle Training from InterTrain SPAM
Not directly to me, but I remember it being sent to the list as a whole on one of the other Oracle related list servers I follow. Regards, Larry G. Elkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] 214.954.1781 -Original Message- Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 3:50 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Anyone else get this spam? -Original Message- Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 6:47 PM To: Bambi Bellows; Brian Norrell; Charlie Mengler; Cherie Machler; Chris Guidry; Danny Hughes; Dave Farnsworth; Don Bricker; Greg Moore; Jack Applewhite; Jacques Kilchoer; James Howerton; Jared Still; Jim Conboy; Joe Testa; Kathy Duret; Kenneth Janusz; Kimberly Smith; Kirti Deshpande; Lisa Koivu; Martin Brown; Mohan Ross; Ramon Estevez; Rick Stephenson; Ron Yount; Ruth Gramolini; Scott Canaan; Shari Dishop; Steve Adams; Steven Lembark; Thomas Mercadante; Val Gamerman The InterTrain Group is an International IT Training Company specializing in Oracle Training Services. Having established our reputation in the UK with over 6 years of commitment to quality, InterTrain has expanded its highly regarded services into the US, Europe and Australia. Our training strategy is to provide independent business focused training for the following: Oracle Financials - Customized Financials training using your data and developed around your business process. Oracle Technical Products - Training on the entire Oracle Suite including Oracle8i, Designer 6i, Discoverer, DBA, Oracle 9iAS, Oracle Portal. Legacy Products - Continued training support for Oracle legacy products If you would like to know more about our training please visit our web site (be sure and click on the US flag) or call me at our Secaucus, NJ location. Cindy Connors National Sales Manager The InterTrain Group Office: 201-223-4990 Mobile: 201-965-5982 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Larry Elkins INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Oracle Training from InterTrain SPAM
Title: FW: Oracle Training from InterTrain SPAM Yep. There's a list of suckers in the To list, and I am A-number-1 sucker du jour. Bambi. -Original Message- From: Koivu, Lisa [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 3:50 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: FW: Oracle Training from InterTrain SPAM Anyone else get this spam? -Original Message- From: Cindy Connors [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 6:47 PM To: Bambi Bellows; Brian Norrell; Charlie Mengler; Cherie Machler; Chris Guidry; Danny Hughes; Dave Farnsworth; Don Bricker; Greg Moore; Jack Applewhite; Jacques Kilchoer; James Howerton; Jared Still; Jim Conboy; Joe Testa; Kathy Duret; Kenneth Janusz; Kimberly Smith; Kirti Deshpande; Lisa Koivu; Martin Brown; Mohan Ross; Ramon Estevez; Rick Stephenson; Ron Yount; Ruth Gramolini; Scott Canaan; Shari Dishop; Steve Adams; Steven Lembark; Thomas Mercadante; Val Gamerman Subject: Oracle Training from InterTrain The InterTrain Group is an International IT Training Company specializing in Oracle Training Services. Having established our reputation in the UK with over 6 years of commitment to quality, InterTrain has expanded its highly regarded services into the US, Europe and Australia. Our training strategy is to provide independent business focused training for the following: · Oracle Financials - Customized Financials training using your data and developed around your business process. · Oracle Technical Products - Training on the entire Oracle Suite including Oracle8i, Designer 6i, Discoverer, DBA, Oracle 9iAS, Oracle Portal. · Legacy Products - Continued training support for Oracle legacy products If you would like to know more about our training please visit our web site (be sure and click on the US flag) or call me at our Secaucus, NJ location. Cindy Connors National Sales Manager The InterTrain Group Office: 201-223-4990 Mobile: 201-965-5982 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
RE: Oracle Training from InterTrain SPAM
I dunno. There is a magic wand called "Block Sender"" in your Outlook. -Original Message- Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 4:50 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Anyone else get this spam? -Original Message- Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 6:47 PM To: Bambi Bellows; Brian Norrell; Charlie Mengler; Cherie Machler; Chris Guidry; Danny Hughes; Dave Farnsworth; Don Bricker; Greg Moore; Jack Applewhite; Jacques Kilchoer; James Howerton; Jared Still; Jim Conboy; Joe Testa; Kathy Duret; Kenneth Janusz; Kimberly Smith; Kirti Deshpande; Lisa Koivu; Martin Brown; Mohan Ross; Ramon Estevez; Rick Stephenson; Ron Yount; Ruth Gramolini; Scott Canaan; Shari Dishop; Steve Adams; Steven Lembark; Thomas Mercadante; Val Gamerman The InterTrain Group is an International IT Training Company specializing in Oracle Training Services. Having established our reputation in the UK with over 6 years of commitment to quality, InterTrain has expanded its highly regarded services into the US, Europe and Australia. Our training strategy is to provide independent business focused training for the following: * Oracle Financials - Customized Financials training using your data and developed around your business process. * Oracle Technical Products - Training on the entire Oracle Suite including Oracle8i, Designer 6i, Discoverer, DBA, Oracle 9iAS, Oracle Portal. * Legacy Products - Continued training support for Oracle legacy products If you would like to know more about our training please visit our web site (be sure and click on the US flag) or call me at our Secaucus, NJ location. Cindy Connors National Sales Manager The InterTrain Group Office: 201-223-4990 Mobile: 201-965-5982 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] < mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Gogala, Mladen INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Oracle Training from InterTrain SPAM
Title: FW: Oracle Training from InterTrain SPAM I did ... Raj __ Rajendra Jamadagni MIS, ESPN Inc. Rajendra dot Jamadagni at ESPN dot com Any opinion expressed here is personal and doesn't reflect that of ESPN Inc. QOTD: Any clod can have facts, but having an opinion is an art ! -Original Message-From: Koivu, Lisa [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 4:50 PMTo: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-LSubject: FW: Oracle Training from InterTrain SPAM Anyone else get this spam? *1 This e-mail message is confidential, intended only for the named recipient(s) above and may contain information that is privileged, attorney work product or exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If you have received this message in error, or are not the named recipient(s), please immediately notify corporate MIS at (860) 766-2000 and delete this e-mail message from your computer, Thank you. *1
FW: Oracle Training from InterTrain SPAM
Title: FW: Oracle Training from InterTrain SPAM Anyone else get this spam? -Original Message- From: Cindy Connors [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 6:47 PM To: Bambi Bellows; Brian Norrell; Charlie Mengler; Cherie Machler; Chris Guidry; Danny Hughes; Dave Farnsworth; Don Bricker; Greg Moore; Jack Applewhite; Jacques Kilchoer; James Howerton; Jared Still; Jim Conboy; Joe Testa; Kathy Duret; Kenneth Janusz; Kimberly Smith; Kirti Deshpande; Lisa Koivu; Martin Brown; Mohan Ross; Ramon Estevez; Rick Stephenson; Ron Yount; Ruth Gramolini; Scott Canaan; Shari Dishop; Steve Adams; Steven Lembark; Thomas Mercadante; Val Gamerman Subject: Oracle Training from InterTrain The InterTrain Group is an International IT Training Company specializing in Oracle Training Services. Having established our reputation in the UK with over 6 years of commitment to quality, InterTrain has expanded its highly regarded services into the US, Europe and Australia. Our training strategy is to provide independent business focused training for the following: Oracle Financials - Customized Financials training using your data and developed around your business process. Oracle Technical Products - Training on the entire Oracle Suite including Oracle8i, Designer 6i, Discoverer, DBA, Oracle 9iAS, Oracle Portal. Legacy Products - Continued training support for Oracle legacy products If you would like to know more about our training please visit our web site (be sure and click on the US flag) or call me at our Secaucus, NJ location. Cindy Connors National Sales Manager The InterTrain Group Office: 201-223-4990 Mobile: 201-965-5982 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Re: oracle training
I personally have not attended any training class But I've seen people come back with a lot of what I learnt thro' 'hard work' from the OCP DBA class offered by Oracle. Regards -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Cyril Thankappan INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
oracle training
> Hi, DBAs Just wonder if there is any good oracle training programs for oracle performence tuning, backup&recovery etc. ? thanks. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Li, Xiangli INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Oracle Training - CBT/Online
Of course of you go to Google and type "free ocp training" a site I'm quite fond of might come up... http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&q=free+ocp+training - Ethan -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2001 6:21 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Exam Cram Guides (All 5) + Oracle8i Complete Reference +O8i Administrator's Guide + Oracle 8.1.6 on RedHat Linux 6.2 == EQUALS Cheap & Complete resource materials for training DBA's Also, check out www.databasedomain.com !! best, -- This e-mail is intended for the use of the addressee(s) only and may contain privileged, confidential, or proprietary information that is exempt from disclosure under law. If you have received this message in error, please inform us promptly by reply e-mail, then delete the e-mail and destroy any printed copy. Thank you. == -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Post, Ethan INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: Oracle Training - CBT/Online
Exam Cram Guides (All 5) + Oracle8i Complete Reference +O8i Administrator's Guide + Oracle 8.1.6 on RedHat Linux 6.2 == EQUALS Cheap & Complete resource materials for training DBA's Also, check out www.databasedomain.com !! best, - jeremy -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Oracle Training - CBT/Online
check out the Oracle Partner Program(OPP) - has unlimited on-line training(OLN) for anyone in the organization included in the price of the yearly membership - approx. $3500. -Original Message- Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2001 1:17 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L I am looking for any recommendations/information on any CBT's or On-line training for DBA's. I have some new junior people that I need to bring up to speed and I haven't got the budget to send them all to Oracle for training. Any info 'for' or 'against' these training methods would be appreciated. > Deborah Csongradi > Senior Database Administrator > Edmonton Police Service > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > (780) 421-3567 > (780) 421-2151 fax > > "Health is wealth. Peace of mind is happiness." > > CONFIDENTIALITY CAUTION: This message is intended only for the use > of the individual or entity to which it has been addressed and may contain > information that is privileged and confidential. If you are not the > intended recipient, or the employee or agent responsible for delivering > the message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any > dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly > prohibited. If this communication has been received in error, respond > immediately via telephone or return e-mail, and delete all copies of this > material. > > -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: IT - Database (Do Not Use) INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Scherer, Rein INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: Oracle Training - CBT/Online
oracle learning network. joe >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 07/17/01 01:16PM >>>I am looking for any recommendations/information on any CBT's or On-linetraining for DBA's. I have some new junior people that I need to bring upto speed and I haven't got the budget to send them all to Oracle fortraining. Any info 'for' or 'against' these training methods would beappreciated.> Deborah Csongradi> Senior Database Administrator> Edmonton Police Service> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]> (780) 421-3567> (780) 421-2151 fax> > "Health is wealth. Peace of mind is happiness."> > CONFIDENTIALITY CAUTION: This message is intended only for the use> of the individual or entity to which it has been addressed and may contain> information that is privileged and confidential. If you are not the> intended recipient, or the employee or agent responsible for delivering> the message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any> dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly> prohibited. If this communication has been received in error, respond> immediately via telephone or return e-mail, and delete all copies of this> material.> > -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com-- Author: IT - Database (Do Not Use) INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Fat City Network Services -- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051San Diego, California -- Public Internet access / Mailing ListsTo REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail messageto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and inthe message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L(or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You mayalso send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Oracle Training - CBT/Online
I am looking for any recommendations/information on any CBT's or On-line training for DBA's. I have some new junior people that I need to bring up to speed and I haven't got the budget to send them all to Oracle for training. Any info 'for' or 'against' these training methods would be appreciated. > Deborah Csongradi > Senior Database Administrator > Edmonton Police Service > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > (780) 421-3567 > (780) 421-2151 fax > > "Health is wealth. Peace of mind is happiness." > > CONFIDENTIALITY CAUTION: This message is intended only for the use > of the individual or entity to which it has been addressed and may contain > information that is privileged and confidential. If you are not the > intended recipient, or the employee or agent responsible for delivering > the message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any > dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly > prohibited. If this communication has been received in error, respond > immediately via telephone or return e-mail, and delete all copies of this > material. > > -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: IT - Database (Do Not Use) INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Oracle training vs IOUG-A vs ECO
East Coast Oracle conference >From: "Jefferson, Dean" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: RE: Oracle training vs IOUG-A vs ECO >Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 07:20:43 -0800 > >OK, appologies for so openly showing my ignorance, but what does the >acronym >ECO, as used in this thread, stand for? I have a feeling it has nothing to >do with Ecology, which is what I'll get a ton of hits on if I try to find >it >with a search engine. > >As to the comparison of IOUG-A Live! vs. Oracle Open World, I would opt for >IOUGA unless you need to be on the cutting edge, implementing the very >latest Oracle technology as it is released. I have been to both and at Open >World it is far too easy to get stuck in a session which is 80-90% vendor >hype. > >But, Open World is much larger, so the networking opportunities are >certainly great, and Oracle makes every effort to introduce their latest >and >greatest stuff at Open World. > >IOUG-A wins hands down as an educational conference. If you want to see and >understand how Oracle technology has been successfully used to solve >real-world problems, IOUG-A is the place. In terms of an educational >conference the only better one I have been to is the Data Warehousing >Annual >Conference presented by the Data Warehousing Institute. > >HTH, > >Dean Jefferson >Database Administrator >State of Wisconsin >Office of Commissioner of Insurance >[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > -Original Message- > > From: Gene Sais [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Friday, March 30, 2001 8:02 AM > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > Subject: RE: Oracle training vs IOUG-A vs ECO > > > > > > Good question, which is best: IOUG or OpenWorld b/c most > > cheap companies don't pay for both? > > I never went to OpenWorld, but been to IOUG and the > > presentations from TUSC were some of the best. > > Any opinions out there? > > > > > > >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 03/30/01 08:21AM >>> > > Last time I went to the ECO site, it looked closed. Are they > > still around? > > > > --- > > > > TheOracleDBA > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > >(snip) > >-- >Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com >-- >Author: Jefferson, Dean > INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 >San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists > >To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message >to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in >the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L >(or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may >also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Rachel Carmichael INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Oracle training vs IOUG-A vs ECO
The ECO conference is no more >From: "The Oracle DBA" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: RE: Oracle training vs IOUG-A vs ECO >Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 05:21:01 -0800 > >Last time I went to the ECO site, it looked closed. Are they still around? > > >--- > >TheOracleDBA >[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > >On Thu, 29 Mar 2001 10:16:14 > Jefferson, Dean wrote: > >Check the IOUG-A sessions again. The presenters from Oracle were added > >later, after IOUG and Oracle Corp. reached a new "understanding". I >looked > >at the sessions this morning and there are now Oracle presenters in the >mix. > > > >Dean Jefferson > >Database Administrator > >State of Wisconsin > >Office of Commissioner of Insurance > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > >> -Original Message- > >> From: Sarah Satterthwaite [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > >> Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2001 10:06 AM > >> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > >> Subject: Oracle training vs IOUG-A vs ECO > >> > >> (snip) > >> Which was the better conference--ECO or IOUG-A--and why? > >> Perhaps I should be including Oracle Open World in the list > >> also. In the past I have heard complaints about overcrowding > >> at IOUG-A, is this still a big problem? > >> > >> In reading the IOUG-A program that came the other day, I > >> could not find a single presenter from Oracle Corporation. > >> Does Oracle no longer permit its people to present or is > >> IOUG-A now excluding them? Where are the Oracle people > >> presenting these days? I have been to some dynamite > >> presentations by Oracle people in the past. > >> > >> Thanks, > >> > >> Sarah Satterthwaite > >> Oracle DBA > >> Case Shiller Weiss, Inc > >> Cambridge, MA > >-- > >Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com > >-- > >Author: Jefferson, Dean > > INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > >Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 > >San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists > > > >To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message > >to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in > >the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L > >(or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may > >also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). > > > > >Get 250 color business cards for FREE! at Lycos Mail >http://mail.lycos.com/freemail/vistaprint_index.html >-- >Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com >-- >Author: The Oracle DBA > INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 >San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists > >To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message >to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in >the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L >(or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may >also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Rachel Carmichael INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Oracle training vs IOUG-A vs ECO
OK, appologies for so openly showing my ignorance, but what does the acronym ECO, as used in this thread, stand for? I have a feeling it has nothing to do with Ecology, which is what I'll get a ton of hits on if I try to find it with a search engine. As to the comparison of IOUG-A Live! vs. Oracle Open World, I would opt for IOUGA unless you need to be on the cutting edge, implementing the very latest Oracle technology as it is released. I have been to both and at Open World it is far too easy to get stuck in a session which is 80-90% vendor hype. But, Open World is much larger, so the networking opportunities are certainly great, and Oracle makes every effort to introduce their latest and greatest stuff at Open World. IOUG-A wins hands down as an educational conference. If you want to see and understand how Oracle technology has been successfully used to solve real-world problems, IOUG-A is the place. In terms of an educational conference the only better one I have been to is the Data Warehousing Annual Conference presented by the Data Warehousing Institute. HTH, Dean Jefferson Database Administrator State of Wisconsin Office of Commissioner of Insurance [EMAIL PROTECTED] > -Original Message- > From: Gene Sais [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Friday, March 30, 2001 8:02 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > Subject: RE: Oracle training vs IOUG-A vs ECO > > > Good question, which is best: IOUG or OpenWorld b/c most > cheap companies don't pay for both? > I never went to OpenWorld, but been to IOUG and the > presentations from TUSC were some of the best. > Any opinions out there? > > > >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 03/30/01 08:21AM >>> > Last time I went to the ECO site, it looked closed. Are they > still around? > > --- > > TheOracleDBA > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >(snip) -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Jefferson, Dean INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Oracle training vs IOUG-A vs ECO
Good question, which is best: IOUG or OpenWorld b/c most cheap companies don't pay for both? I never went to OpenWorld, but been to IOUG and the presentations from TUSC were some of the best. Any opinions out there? >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 03/30/01 08:21AM >>> Last time I went to the ECO site, it looked closed. Are they still around? --- TheOracleDBA [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Thu, 29 Mar 2001 10:16:14 Jefferson, Dean wrote: >Check the IOUG-A sessions again. The presenters from Oracle were added >later, after IOUG and Oracle Corp. reached a new "understanding". I looked >at the sessions this morning and there are now Oracle presenters in the mix. > >Dean Jefferson >Database Administrator >State of Wisconsin >Office of Commissioner of Insurance >[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> -Original Message- >> From: Sarah Satterthwaite [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >> Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2001 10:06 AM >> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L >> Subject: Oracle training vs IOUG-A vs ECO >> >> (snip) >> Which was the better conference--ECO or IOUG-A--and why? >> Perhaps I should be including Oracle Open World in the list >> also. In the past I have heard complaints about overcrowding >> at IOUG-A, is this still a big problem? >> >> In reading the IOUG-A program that came the other day, I >> could not find a single presenter from Oracle Corporation. >> Does Oracle no longer permit its people to present or is >> IOUG-A now excluding them? Where are the Oracle people >> presenting these days? I have been to some dynamite >> presentations by Oracle people in the past. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Sarah Satterthwaite >> Oracle DBA >> Case Shiller Weiss, Inc >> Cambridge, MA >-- >Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com >-- >Author: Jefferson, Dean > INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 >San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists > >To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message >to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in >the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L >(or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may >also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). > Get 250 color business cards for FREE! at Lycos Mail http://mail.lycos.com/freemail/vistaprint_index.html -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: The Oracle DBA INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Gene Sais INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Oracle training vs IOUG-A vs ECO
Last time I went to the ECO site, it looked closed. Are they still around? --- TheOracleDBA [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Thu, 29 Mar 2001 10:16:14 Jefferson, Dean wrote: >Check the IOUG-A sessions again. The presenters from Oracle were added >later, after IOUG and Oracle Corp. reached a new "understanding". I looked >at the sessions this morning and there are now Oracle presenters in the mix. > >Dean Jefferson >Database Administrator >State of Wisconsin >Office of Commissioner of Insurance >[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> -Original Message- >> From: Sarah Satterthwaite [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >> Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2001 10:06 AM >> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L >> Subject: Oracle training vs IOUG-A vs ECO >> >> (snip) >> Which was the better conference--ECO or IOUG-A--and why? >> Perhaps I should be including Oracle Open World in the list >> also. In the past I have heard complaints about overcrowding >> at IOUG-A, is this still a big problem? >> >> In reading the IOUG-A program that came the other day, I >> could not find a single presenter from Oracle Corporation. >> Does Oracle no longer permit its people to present or is >> IOUG-A now excluding them? Where are the Oracle people >> presenting these days? I have been to some dynamite >> presentations by Oracle people in the past. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Sarah Satterthwaite >> Oracle DBA >> Case Shiller Weiss, Inc >> Cambridge, MA >-- >Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com >-- >Author: Jefferson, Dean > INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 >San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists > >To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message >to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in >the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L >(or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may >also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). > Get 250 color business cards for FREE! at Lycos Mail http://mail.lycos.com/freemail/vistaprint_index.html -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: The Oracle DBA INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Oracle training vs IOUG-A vs ECO
Check the IOUG-A sessions again. The presenters from Oracle were added later, after IOUG and Oracle Corp. reached a new "understanding". I looked at the sessions this morning and there are now Oracle presenters in the mix. Dean Jefferson Database Administrator State of Wisconsin Office of Commissioner of Insurance [EMAIL PROTECTED] > -Original Message- > From: Sarah Satterthwaite [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2001 10:06 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > Subject: Oracle training vs IOUG-A vs ECO > > (snip) > Which was the better conference--ECO or IOUG-A--and why? > Perhaps I should be including Oracle Open World in the list > also. In the past I have heard complaints about overcrowding > at IOUG-A, is this still a big problem? > > In reading the IOUG-A program that came the other day, I > could not find a single presenter from Oracle Corporation. > Does Oracle no longer permit its people to present or is > IOUG-A now excluding them? Where are the Oracle people > presenting these days? I have been to some dynamite > presentations by Oracle people in the past. > > Thanks, > > Sarah Satterthwaite > Oracle DBA > Case Shiller Weiss, Inc > Cambridge, MA -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Jefferson, Dean INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: Oracle training vs IOUG-A vs ECO
Sarah, Unfortunately, you wouldn't get to go to ECO this year no matter what. Oracle User Resource has decided to discontinue that conference. ECO is dead. Personal opinion: training classes teach you exactly what the trainers want you to see/know. A conference, while it does not give you the same in-depth knowledge that a class does, gives you a broader perspective on what's out there and how it is being used and what does and doesn't work the way they say. Conferences also give you the networking to be able to ask questions of experts. Many of the people I consult for specialized knowledge are people I've met at one or another conference. Of ECO, IOUG and OpenWorld, I have loved ECO best. Because it was very small (usually less than 1000), because you got really up close and personal with the presenters, were able to find them and talk to them after their presentations. Next best (for me) is IOUG. Again, large but smaller than OpenWorld. No sales-pitch presentations. A way to connect with the people who have specialized knowledge. Having said that, I made it part of the deal that I get to go to at least 2 conferences a year. which means IOUG and OpenWorld, since there isn't ECO any more. Rachel >From: Sarah Satterthwaite <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: Oracle training vs IOUG-A vs ECO >Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 08:06:25 -0800 > >My grand-boss thinks that conferences are a waste of money and training >classes are a much better dollar value. > >I probably took my last Oracle Education class about 10 years ago and have >been to every ECO conference except last year (and because of personal >conflicts cannot do ECO again this year). I have no doubt about the value >I have received from ECO over the years. I am probably going to get to go >to IOUG-A (despite the sentiments of the grand-boss), but would like to >hear some opinions (positive and negative) from people who have experienced >at least two out of three of the above. > >Which was the better conference--ECO or IOUG-A--and why? Perhaps I should >be including Oracle Open World in the list also. In the past I have heard >complaints about overcrowding at IOUG-A, is this still a big problem? > >For an experienced person, how good are Oracle training classes for >learning new material compared to a conference? My memory is that the >training courses were dominated by beginners--is that still true? >Specifically, we are getting ready to go to 8.1.6 or 8.1.7 from 7.3.4 on NT >and Alpha Open VMS. So the specific training would be Oracle's Migrating >to Version 8 seminars (a series of 3 one day classes). > >In reading the IOUG-A program that came the other day, I could not find a >single presenter from Oracle Corporation. Does Oracle no longer permit its >people to present or is IOUG-A now excluding them? Where are the Oracle >people presenting these days? I have been to some dynamite presentations >by Oracle people in the past. > >Thanks, > >Sarah Satterthwaite >Oracle DBA >Case Shiller Weiss, Inc >Cambridge, MA >-- >Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com >-- >Author: Sarah Satterthwaite > INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 >San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists > >To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message >to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in >the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L >(or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may >also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Rachel Carmichael INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Oracle training vs IOUG-A vs ECO
My grand-boss thinks that conferences are a waste of money and training classes are a much better dollar value. I probably took my last Oracle Education class about 10 years ago and have been to every ECO conference except last year (and because of personal conflicts cannot do ECO again this year). I have no doubt about the value I have received from ECO over the years. I am probably going to get to go to IOUG-A (despite the sentiments of the grand-boss), but would like to hear some opinions (positive and negative) from people who have experienced at least two out of three of the above. Which was the better conference--ECO or IOUG-A--and why? Perhaps I should be including Oracle Open World in the list also. In the past I have heard complaints about overcrowding at IOUG-A, is this still a big problem? For an experienced person, how good are Oracle training classes for learning new material compared to a conference? My memory is that the training courses were dominated by beginners--is that still true? Specifically, we are getting ready to go to 8.1.6 or 8.1.7 from 7.3.4 on NT and Alpha Open VMS. So the specific training would be Oracle's Migrating to Version 8 seminars (a series of 3 one day classes). In reading the IOUG-A program that came the other day, I could not find a single presenter from Oracle Corporation. Does Oracle no longer permit its people to present or is IOUG-A now excluding them? Where are the Oracle people presenting these days? I have been to some dynamite presentations by Oracle people in the past. Thanks, Sarah Satterthwaite Oracle DBA Case Shiller Weiss, Inc Cambridge, MA -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Sarah Satterthwaite INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: oracle training
There's someone in Charlotte, too (dbBasics I believe) but we never use them as all our programmers are in Raleigh. I've seen some basic-level classes float through the universities and tech schools, but I wouldn't recommend them for non-students. Someone at Global keeps after me, too, but they haven't shown me courses in the areas a DBA or programmer needs. james ellis wrote: > dbbasics and New Horizons offer Oracle training in NC. > DBbasics is in Raleigh and Greensboro. New Horizons is > located in Greensboro. It may be in other cities as > well. > > Hope that helps > > --- "Streeter, Lerone A LBX" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > aren't there some people from north carolina here? > > know any local, in > > state, oracle training outfits? > > > > === > > Lerone Streeter > > System Analyst > > Abbott LBG > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > === > > -- > > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: > > http://www.orafaq.com > > -- > > Author: Streeter, Lerone A LBX > > INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: > > (858) 538-5051 > > San Diego, California-- Public Internet > > access / Mailing Lists > > > > > To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an > > E-Mail message > > to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of > > 'ListGuru') and in > > the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB > > ORACLE-L > > (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed > > from). You may > > also send the HELP command for other information > > (like subscribing). > > __ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > -- > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com > -- > Author: james ellis > INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 > San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists > > To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message > to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in > the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L > (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may > also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). begin:vcard n:Jerman;Don tel;work:919.508.1886 x-mozilla-html:TRUE org:Database Management Service,Information Technology version:2.1 email;internet:[EMAIL PROTECTED] title:Database Administrator adr;quoted-printable:;;Database Management Service,Information Technology=0D=0A104 Fayetteville Street Mall;Raleigh;NC;27699-1521;USA x-mozilla-cpt:;-9536 fn:Don Jerman end:vcard
Re: oracle training
dbbasics and New Horizons offer Oracle training in NC. DBbasics is in Raleigh and Greensboro. New Horizons is located in Greensboro. It may be in other cities as well. Hope that helps --- "Streeter, Lerone A LBX" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > aren't there some people from north carolina here? > know any local, in > state, oracle training outfits? > > === > Lerone Streeter > System Analyst > Abbott LBG > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > === > -- > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: > http://www.orafaq.com > -- > Author: Streeter, Lerone A LBX > INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: > (858) 538-5051 > San Diego, California-- Public Internet > access / Mailing Lists > > To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an > E-Mail message > to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of > 'ListGuru') and in > the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB > ORACLE-L > (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed > from). You may > also send the HELP command for other information > (like subscribing). __ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: james ellis INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
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aren't there some people from north carolina here? know any local, in state, oracle training outfits? === Lerone Streeter System Analyst Abbott LBG [EMAIL PROTECTED] === -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Streeter, Lerone A LBX INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
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what's a favored source for training? === Lerone Streeter System Analyst Abbott LBG [EMAIL PROTECTED] === -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Streeter, Lerone A LBX INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: OT- Oracle Training
Eric et al, I appreciate the responses, both public and private, and have gained a better understanding of the situation as a result. First, let me say that I do not determine or influence the course of action of my employer. Either the work arounds or work withins that have been identified thus far are being weighed and measured by the individuals who have the dog in the fight. I don't have a clue when it comes to business law. I am just a curious dba. Having said that it would seem to me that the intellectual rights (reverse engineering, proprietary secrets, etc) arguments may not hold true in this case and at this point in time. Has everyone who has written an oracle technologies book in the last ten years been published through Oracle Press? Do they pay license fees to Oracle for the proprietary technologies detailed within? And who has benefited the most from the volumes of detailed publications from third parties and the resulting phenomenal increase in market share resulting from the self-trained developers and dbas who bought these books, sought out third-party training, and based their careers on Oracle software? After having spent many hours in book store, perusing everything Oracle, and having taught and/or studied my employers' course materials, I can say that there is nothing in them that is not readily available in a combination of all the third parties' Oracle books. Just common knowledge and personal experience. thanks again and for those who don't have to work Have a great weekend, For those that do...Hopefully you'll get Monday off like me ;) dgm ps. I don't have the career history to base this comment on, but from what I understand Oracle had the better marketing team. Maybe sometimes the end does justify the means. Can't argue with success. And several other cliches. - Original Message - To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, February 02, 2001 7:13 PM > Dan, > > Thanks, that was very interesting. Based on your latest comments, my > preliminary suspicions about Oracle acting like ruthless/greedy > b*st*rds would seem to be confirmed. :) Assuming the above is true, I > would encourage you to continue to document and publicise this in the > user community so that pressure will be brought on Oracle to act in a > more altruistic, and/or socially responsible manner in the future. > > Assuming that such a course of actions fails, again, the question is, > for the good of the community, will the dba corp., or some of its > members, try to "work around" the bizarre antics and obstacles that > Oracle seems to be putting up? > > regards, > ep > > On 2 Feb 2001, at 3:55, Dan Mills wrote: > > Date sent: Fri, 02 Feb 2001 03:55:48 -0800 > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > From: "Dan Mills" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject:Re: OT- Oracle Training > > > Eric, > > > > Thank you for the feedback. And I would like to address your points further > > for the benefit of all. > > > > 1. My employer is contracted to teach for the local University and will do > > so till summer. They also have an Oracle license which they are allowed to > > continue their training under, depending on whose lawyer you speak to I > > guess. One point was that this is a new clause in Oracle licenses which is > > trying to be enforced retroactively in an attempt to halt future Oracle > > classes under the current license. They can also contiue to contract with > > companies and train under each companies' license. The school of course is > > primarily interested in the discounted Oracle licenses. > > > > 2. The relationship has definitely been win-win from all perspectives the > > way I see it. The oracle market in this are has benefited by having more and > > better trained developers and dbas to fill the ever growing needs of the > > companies here. The only loser here is Microsoft/sqlserver, as I have seen > > many make the jump to the Oracle side. And my employers are astute > > capitalists, always making hay while the sun is shining. No losers here. > > > > 3. A major reason this program has been successful is because Oracle's > > training is prohibitively expensive for small companies and individuals > > moving into the Oracle world. When my employer started training the ratio of > > Microsoft developers to Oracle developers was in the neighborhood of 10:1. > > Now I hear its down to 3:1. I have personally witnessed developers and dbas > > make this major career move based on our training and their own dollars. And > > they would not have been able to afford the time off or dollars it would > > have taken through
RE: OT- Oracle Training
Yes, exactly. If you scratch below the surface, and ask "why" (in terms of social theory), you may come to realize that in american technical culture there are two broad categories: 1) populists/populizers (make products that are ugly, but cheap) 2) technical elites (make products that are beautiful, but expensive) Basically MS = #1, and Unix/Oracle/etc = #2 Oracle corp.'s "organizational culture" is simply incapable of acting on "populist logic" because such logic runs contrary to the "value system" (and/or aesthetic preferences) of the technical elites. Neither "position" is inherently more "good" than the other since they simply represent forms/expressions of different perspectives that arise from underlying universal archetypes. regards, ep On 2 Feb 2001, at 10:39, Nikolay Kumanov wrote: Date sent: Fri, 02 Feb 2001 10:39:50 -0800 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > After many years of working for the financial sector, please don't be too > angry at me for stating my opinion in financial terms: ... > > IMHO, probably company B has better technology, but A has better marketing > strategy and market development. And I am very sad to see lesser > technologies come to prosperity. I hope that some wise guy at B would say > "OK folks, we are opening all the info we have, we want all the young and > bright people to have the possibility to study our technology, even if they > have not the means to pay for the information. We are providing an > affordable way for youngsters to become a B professionals". Could it be a > wise (and profitable) investment ... -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Eric D. Pierce INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: OT- Oracle Training
After many years of working for the financial sector, please don't be too angry at me for stating my opinion in financial terms: There is a company A that has some software that it wants to promote. Therefore, company A considers education and information as a "cost center". Company A makes (almost) all tech info freely available over Internet. Everyone is welcome to read and learn. Many young people, especially from low-income countries (as my country) read, get some skills, get a job in a higher-developed country and promote the products of company A. Company B wants to make more money than A. Therefore it makes training and education a "profit center". It makes it's source of technical info "MetaB" available only to contract-holders with deep pockets. Most of the seasoned professionals agree that "B" software is better than "A". But many young and bright people find that it's easier and cheaper for them to learn the (inferior) products of company "A". Now the rich investor comes. (S)he knows that B products are technically superior, but on the market there is A experience, free A support, free A source of information. Therefore the deep pocketed guy(gal) goes for A. IMHO, probably company B has better technology, but A has better marketing strategy and market development. And I am very sad to see lesser technologies come to prosperity. I hope that some wise guy at B would say "OK folks, we are opening all the info we have, we want all the young and bright people to have the possibility to study our technology, even if they have not the means to pay for the information. We are providing an affordable way for youngsters to become a B professionals". Could it be a wise (and profitable) investment Dr. Nikolay Kumanov MIS Manager, Zeitungsgruppe Bulgarien GmbH 47, Tsarigradsko chaussee, Sofia 1504, Bulgaria phone: +(359-2)4339-643, fax: +(359-2)946-1286 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] "Show me a completely smooth operation and I'll show you someone who's covering mistakes. Real boats rock." - Frank Herbert, "Chapterhouse: Dune" -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Nikolay Kumanov INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: OT- Oracle Training
On Thu, 1 Feb 2001,Dan Mills scribbled on the wall in glitter crayon: -> ->Is this the best course of action, for the long term, for Oracle and the ->Oracle Software community? i find myself in an "interesting" situation. we have an ORACLE University nearby, however they do not offer courses at the advanced level that i need. i also work for a startup that is cash strapped. therefore, i do not get training since any courses i find are not offered at a) reasonable prices and b) at a reasonable location. [and yes that applies to conferences too.] -- Bill Thater Certified ORACLE DBA Telergy, Inc.[EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ "We are different, in essence from other men. If you want to will something run 100m. If you want to experience something run a marathon" Emil Zatopek ~ "Any sufficiently advanced bug is indistinguishable from a feature." - Rich Kulawiec -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: bill thater INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: OT- Oracle Training
Eric,
Thank you for the feedback. And I would like to address your points further
for the benefit of all.
1. My employer is contracted to teach for the local University and will do
so till summer. They also have an Oracle license which they are allowed to
continue their training under, depending on whose lawyer you speak to I
guess. One point was that this is a new clause in Oracle licenses which is
trying to be enforced retroactively in an attempt to halt future Oracle
classes under the current license. They can also contiue to contract with
companies and train under each companies' license. The school of course is
primarily interested in the discounted Oracle licenses.
2. The relationship has definitely been win-win from all perspectives the
way I see it. The oracle market in this are has benefited by having more and
better trained developers and dbas to fill the ever growing needs of the
companies here. The only loser here is Microsoft/sqlserver, as I have seen
many make the jump to the Oracle side. And my employers are astute
capitalists, always making hay while the sun is shining. No losers here.
3. A major reason this program has been successful is because Oracle's
training is prohibitively expensive for small companies and individuals
moving into the Oracle world. When my employer started training the ratio of
Microsoft developers to Oracle developers was in the neighborhood of 10:1.
Now I hear its down to 3:1. I have personally witnessed developers and dbas
make this major career move based on our training and their own dollars. And
they would not have been able to afford the time off or dollars it would
have taken through Oracle Education.
4. I'm not certain that with Oracle's core database and tools software
Division, Oracle Applications, and Oracle Consulting, that Oracle University
is the largest piece of their pie. If you know the numbers, please let me
know, but I would guess that it is near last.
I am sure that their are other small companies in the same boat around the
world and I guess to me the basic issue here is whether there is a place for
Third Party training or does Oracle University monopolize the training
market.
Appreciate any and all feedback.
Time for work,
Dan Mills
OCP DBA Consultant and Instructor
- Original Message -
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2001 10:35 PM
> Dan,
>
> I worked a little (very little) with Oracle7 in an RCE environment at
> this campus several years ago, but don't take my comments (below) as
> representing any great expertise in either Oracle training or the RCE
> world (continuing education). I mainly think you need to clarify your
> questions. (I'm doing the "devils advocate" thing here, in real
> life, I would probably act totally outraged, rant about gutless
> bureaucratic functionaries, and advocate for you.)
>
> more...
>
> On 1 Feb 2001, at 17:30, Dan Mills wrote:
>
> Date sent: Thu, 01 Feb 2001 17:30:22 -0800
> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> ...
>
> > Two long time Oracle DBAs, midway through their careers, secure a steady
> > consulting contract, incorporate, and build a relationship with a major
> > mid-west university to train students and the local IT community
> > through their continuuing education program.
>
> 1st question: what exactly do you mean by "relationship"?
>
> Are the incorporated dbas contracting with continuing education? If
> so, are they making good money from that "relationship"? If so, I
> would guess that Oracle doesn't see employees of the incorporated
> dbas the same as they see "internal" continuing education employees
> (even though under different circumstances, they could theoretically
> be the same people in the same place at the same time).
>
> For the uninitiated, Oracle sells (or used to anyway) an incredibly
> cheap *unlimited* $500 (as in "FIVE HUNDRED DOLLARS") license for
> ANY/ALL Oracle products to educational institutions, as long as any
> such licensed products are ONLY used for instructional purposes.
>
> As you can imagine, this could represent a HUGE savings to the
> educational institution, or put another way, it may provide about the
> only way for such institutions to license Oracle software for
> instructional use (as opposed to administrative use, where the high
> Oracle license costs can be justified if Oracle is deemed "mission
> critical"). {For instance, the +/- 25 campus CSU statewide system is
> in the process of spending over $350 million on a PeopleSlop/Oracle
> "University" database system -including some general infrastructure
> costs).
>
>
> >... They have been successful in consu
Re: OT- Oracle Training
Dan,
I worked a little (very little) with Oracle7 in an RCE environment at
this campus several years ago, but don't take my comments (below) as
representing any great expertise in either Oracle training or the RCE
world (continuing education). I mainly think you need to clarify your
questions. (I'm doing the "devils advocate" thing here, in real
life, I would probably act totally outraged, rant about gutless
bureaucratic functionaries, and advocate for you.)
more...
On 1 Feb 2001, at 17:30, Dan Mills wrote:
Date sent: Thu, 01 Feb 2001 17:30:22 -0800
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
...
> Two long time Oracle DBAs, midway through their careers, secure a steady
> consulting contract, incorporate, and build a relationship with a major
> mid-west university to train students and the local IT community
> through their continuuing education program.
1st question: what exactly do you mean by "relationship"?
Are the incorporated dbas contracting with continuing education? If
so, are they making good money from that "relationship"? If so, I
would guess that Oracle doesn't see employees of the incorporated
dbas the same as they see "internal" continuing education employees
(even though under different circumstances, they could theoretically
be the same people in the same place at the same time).
For the uninitiated, Oracle sells (or used to anyway) an incredibly
cheap *unlimited* $500 (as in "FIVE HUNDRED DOLLARS") license for
ANY/ALL Oracle products to educational institutions, as long as any
such licensed products are ONLY used for instructional purposes.
As you can imagine, this could represent a HUGE savings to the
educational institution, or put another way, it may provide about the
only way for such institutions to license Oracle software for
instructional use (as opposed to administrative use, where the high
Oracle license costs can be justified if Oracle is deemed "mission
critical"). {For instance, the +/- 25 campus CSU statewide system is
in the process of spending over $350 million on a PeopleSlop/Oracle
"University" database system -including some general infrastructure
costs).
>... They have been successful in consulting
> and training, through hard work, long nights, intelligence, and diligence.
To be frank, why should Oracle Corporation care? Their mission is to
be ruthless/greedy b*st*rds and make for their stock holders. If
the dba corporation does the same, then you have a "win-win". If not,
...oh well.
> They now employ a unix sysadmin and 12 oracle dbas as consultants and
> instructors (WOOHOO), have published several SQL and Relational Database
> design books through MacMillan and SAMS, and per semester, typically sell
> out 60-70% of seating for their full range of SQL, PL/SQL, Designer,
> Developer, DBA, and Unix courses. Let me also add that these courses are
> hands-on Oracle training, not designed to teach someone to take a
> certification exam, but designed specifically to enable the student to apply
> the learned skills immediately on the job. They were completely constructed
> from the ground up by the founders, contributed to by the variously
> experienced instructors over the last four years, and are grounded in the
> real life Oracle experience of the founders and instructors.
Sounds good, but again, ruthless/greedy Oracle Corp is mainly
interested in getting their slice of the $$$ "in question", and
protecting their self-interests. It is entirely possible that from
Oracle Corp's viewpoint, the dba corporation is trying to pull a
"fast one", and build their reputation/profitability/etc by taking
advantage of the "protective shell" that Oracle's instructional
discount provides via the continuing education institution.
Something think that may be important that you left out: what is the
extent of the influence of your community's continuing education
Oracle training program, and how does that interplay with the Oracle
market in that same area? Without knowing the answer, it may be
difficult to determine how Oracle corp. might, or might not, see its
interests being hurt by the growth of the dba corp.'s role in the
continuing education Oracle training program there.
>
> Problem:
>
> Oracle Education, I guess now deemed Oracle University, has decided that
> their *RetroActive* Software licensing agreement does not allow for third
> party training. The local university, of course, is withdrawing from the
> Oracle portion of the relationship, while continuing the relationship with
> my employer for other types of training. Oracle is agressively pursuing an
> "Oracle University" relationship with the school to offer Oracle tr
OT- Oracle Training
Good Evening, First let me say that I am in no way speaking for my employer. The situation and issue raised here, while definitely real and occurring in real time, is posed merely for discussion and maybe just to help answer my own Oracle question not found in any manual. I welcome all feedback, positive and negative. Situation: Two long time Oracle DBAs, midway through their careers, secure a steady consulting contract, incorporate, and build a relationship with a major mid-west university to train students and the local IT community through their continuuing education program. They have been successful in consulting and training, through hard work, long nights, intelligence, and diligence. They now employ a unix sysadmin and 12 oracle dbas as consultants and instructors (WOOHOO), have published several SQL and Relational Database design books through MacMillan and SAMS, and per semester, typically sell out 60-70% of seating for their full range of SQL, PL/SQL, Designer, Developer, DBA, and Unix courses. Let me also add that these courses are hands-on Oracle training, not designed to teach someone to take a certification exam, but designed specifically to enable the student to apply the learned skills immediately on the job. They were completely constructed from the ground up by the founders, contributed to by the variously experienced instructors over the last four years, and are grounded in the real life Oracle experience of the founders and instructors. Problem: Oracle Education, I guess now deemed Oracle University, has decided that their *RetroActive* Software licensing agreement does not allow for third party training. The local university, of course, is withdrawing from the Oracle portion of the relationship, while continuing the relationship with my employer for other types of training. Oracle is agressively pursuing an "Oracle University" relationship with the school to offer Oracle training. Question: With today's shortage and projected, continued shortage of competent IT professionals, can the industry afford not to provide the best Oracle (majority database market shareholder) training possible, to the self-motivated, individual developer and future dba (yes, that was me), and the Non-Fortune 500 Oracle shops out there with limited new technology budgets, who need to train their IT staff ? Are we developers and dbas, who have based our careers on Oracle, or are moving in that direction, time-constrained AND money constrained, to be limited solely to the very expensive "Oracle University" training, affordable only by our employers and only offerred during the day when most developers and dbas are working hard to support their Oracle systems? And personally, I see two sides of this argument and just want to see what the community thinks: Is this the best course of action, for the long term, for Oracle and the Oracle Software community? Again, I appreciate any and all feedback. Good Evening, Dan Mills OCP DBA Consulant and Instructor -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Dan Mills INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
