[OGD] Extinction, not Entrapment
Bert, thanks for clarifying your earlier comment "no orchid species is truly in danger of extinction". It is useful to know that this was based an urban legend rather than any properly conducted survey. Also good to know that you have no suggestions about how I could measure the "endangearedness" of a species. You asked me if I'd agree with: "I might have put it that no orchid species is truly in danger of being rendered extinct by overcollection, even if its natural habitat is stripped, unless counterproductive restrictions such as CITES interfere with its artificial propagation. Would you agree, Peter?" Bert, this question reminds me of the trial lawyer who said to Joe Bloggs the defendant "do you always mug your victims before you snatch their bags, and is your name Joe Bloggs ? Give a simple yes or no answer to my question". I think you already know the answer to the first question, since I have, on several occasions, posted on OGD a list of species that have been rendered extinct by overcollection. In response to the premise that underlies your statement: I do not consider keeping orchids in greenhouses thousands of kilometers away from their natural habitats to be a viable method of long-term conservation, and a dubious method of short-term conservation. But you knew that before you asked, didn't you ? I think you are also only too aware that I consider CITES to be a highly necessary set of laws that need to be focused, clarified and strengthened in order to be really effective in countering the commercial-scale plant smuggling that is commonplace amongst some orchid-nursery operators (and others) in several parts of the world. I may have been less vocal on OGD recently, but I haven't changed my spots any of them. Finally, you said "If the damage to Norris was truly done by a computer traffic monitor, are any of us safe?". Bert, there is no such thing as safety in this world; it is an intrinsically dangerous place. Carnivore has just made it a lot more dangerous for everyone in the USA something that Saddam Hussain could never manage, no matter how President Bush twists the truth. I think George Orwell said it first: Big Brother is watching YOU. Cheers, Peter O'Byrne Singapore BTW if you want to tackle the problem of Carnivore (and I would, if I lived in the USA), can I suggest you modify one of Mahatma Gandhi's best ideas ? Persuade everyone you know to persuade everyone they know to take part. Get everyone to add Carnivore-sensitive keywords to every e-mail they send. Give the bloody program a severe case of indigestion. ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids
[OGD] scan / photocopy needed - Triana
Hello OGDers : If you have access to the following reference, would you be kind enough to send me a scan or photocopy (?) : Kyle RA, Shampo MA., 'Jose Jeronimo Triana: Colombian botanist', in Mayo Clin Proc., 61 (11) Nov. 1986 : 892. I suspect the biographical note is rather short since it apparently fits in one page. Thanks in advance. Regards, Viateur ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids
[OGD] Re: Madeira orchids
Fantastic!! Thank you very much -- I'm looking forward to this trip. Cheers Sandy On Tue, 12 Oct 2004 23:33:16 +0800, Peter O'Byrne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Sandy, > > I went to Madeira in December 2000. The Botanic Gardens (Caminho do Meio, > Quinta do Bom Sucesso, Funchal) are nice (spectacular views, excellent > collection of palm trees) but most of their orchids are grown outdoors, and > in late December they were suffering the effects of winter & looking very > sorry for themselves. > > The best spot is: > > Jardim Orqumdea (Rua Pita da Silva, 37, Bom Sucesso, Funchal). It is a > family-run garden, hidden away on a cul-de-sac off a small side-street in a > residential area just downhill from the Botanic Gardens and is quite hard to > find .. I eventually got there by walked downhill from the Bot Gardens using > my trusty Funchal street map (make sure you get one that has all the town in > it, not just the town centre). The Jardim is a bit like Dr Who's Tardis; > much bigger inside. I doubt they have 50,000 plants as the website boasts, > but they do have a nice collection of plants that are healthy and > well-grown. There is a collection of species (many of them fairly standard > for northern-hemisphere collections) and hybrids (mostly Central and S. > American), but many are at specimen-plant size and were blooming > prolifically when I visited. I'm not very familiar with many of these > American plants, and I really enjoyed the show. There is a large collection > of hybrid Cymbidiums, some of which are extremely old crosses ... and these > were in full bloom when I visited. The place is worth visiting. > > Also, try visiting the Central Market in Funchal. Madeira has long been one > of the orchid-growing centres of Europe, producing spikes (mostly > Cymbidiums) for the cut-flower trade. In the last few decades the Madeira > orchid-flower industry has been surplanted by other places that produce > more, better, cheaper, but there are still lots of Cymbidiums grown, many of > which end up in the market. As is the case in the Jardim Orqumdea, what you > see are mostly older crosses that will bring back nostalgic memories of the > florist-shops of your youth (if you're old enough, that is !!!). > > One final tip ... try visiting a cemetery. There is a really big one on the > hill above Funchal, but any large cemetary will do and there are several > on the island. Yes, really, I'm not kidding ... if you want to see orchids > used in a totally different context, visit a good cemetery in Madeira and > don't forget to take your camera along. > > Peter O'Byrne > Singapore > > -- www.pollenatrix.com "Botanical discipline, daily." ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids
[OGD] Madeira orchids
Sandy, I went to Madeira in December 2000. The Botanic Gardens (Caminho do Meio, Quinta do Bom Sucesso, Funchal) are nice (spectacular views, excellent collection of palm trees) but most of their orchids are grown outdoors, and in late December they were suffering the effects of winter & looking very sorry for themselves. The best spot is: Jardim Orqumdea (Rua Pita da Silva, 37, Bom Sucesso, Funchal). It is a family-run garden, hidden away on a cul-de-sac off a small side-street in a residential area just downhill from the Botanic Gardens and is quite hard to find .. I eventually got there by walked downhill from the Bot Gardens using my trusty Funchal street map (make sure you get one that has all the town in it, not just the town centre). The Jardim is a bit like Dr Who's Tardis; much bigger inside. I doubt they have 50,000 plants as the website boasts, but they do have a nice collection of plants that are healthy and well-grown. There is a collection of species (many of them fairly standard for northern-hemisphere collections) and hybrids (mostly Central and S. American), but many are at specimen-plant size and were blooming prolifically when I visited. I'm not very familiar with many of these American plants, and I really enjoyed the show. There is a large collection of hybrid Cymbidiums, some of which are extremely old crosses ... and these were in full bloom when I visited. The place is worth visiting. Also, try visiting the Central Market in Funchal. Madeira has long been one of the orchid-growing centres of Europe, producing spikes (mostly Cymbidiums) for the cut-flower trade. In the last few decades the Madeira orchid-flower industry has been surplanted by other places that produce more, better, cheaper, but there are still lots of Cymbidiums grown, many of which end up in the market. As is the case in the Jardim Orqumdea, what you see are mostly older crosses that will bring back nostalgic memories of the florist-shops of your youth (if you're old enough, that is !!!). One final tip ... try visiting a cemetery. There is a really big one on the hill above Funchal, but any large cemetary will do and there are several on the island. Yes, really, I'm not kidding ... if you want to see orchids used in a totally different context, visit a good cemetery in Madeira and don't forget to take your camera along. Peter O'Byrne Singapore ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids
[OGD] party people in greenhouse
FrogPondPhrags wote: "We are getting ready for our yearly Halloween party. We'll have about 10 guest who LOVE to see our greenhouse. Its attached to the house so I can;t keep them out. Last year I was appalled at the behavior of some of the guest, Big problem is the people in a happy party mood want to grab, touch and smell the orchids-all without asking Several plants were knocked over and flowers were lost. "Has this happened to others? Any ideals on how to handle this situation?. I don't want to be overprotective and scream at people. Yet after waiting a year for a flower having unaware quests do damage it is too much for this orchid grower." Linda: I forget what size your greenhouse is, but I have a couple solutions to this problem. One thing that may not help in your situation, is that I have asymetrical aisles in my greenhouse; one is over three feet wide, and that aisle is left open to "tourists" during our yearly open house, while the aisle that goes down by our stud plants and personal collection is much narrower, and I keep it blocked off. People can see everything in the greenhouse (albeit not from as close as they might like), but they cannot get close enough to anything valuable, to damage it. For people that are appropriate, I personally tour them behind the barracades, so they can see the details. For everybody else, all they can get close to, are "commodity" type plants. I also often set up a display in an area well away from the rest of the plants, that has the most interesting things in flower that people are likely to want to see. That keeps them away from the other plants. Depending on the demographics of your guests, you might have some success with a sign explaining that "Looking without Touching" is the norm in Orchid collections ... and if you have plants hanging into the aisles like I do, block the aisles off. Good luck, rob't Robert Bedard Horticulture http://www.robert-bedard.com/orchids/ ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids
[OGD] Re: Orchids Digest, Vol 6, Issue 425
Hi Sandy, Do visit the large vegetable and plants market close to the bus station at Funchal. They have a reasonable selection of species and hybrids, but do not expect to see something "local" there, mostly cymbidium hybrids (very popular in Madeira), some tissue culture flasks and some paphs. De not expect cheaper prices because of the Portugese connection, I found orchids there as expensive as in Germany. Regards, Jean On Tue October 12 2004 13:53, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 21:23:46 +0200 > From: Sandy Gillians <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: OGD list <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: [OGD] orchids in Madeira > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Precedence: list > Reply-To: "the OrchidGuide Digest \(OGD\)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Message: 1 > > I'll be visiting Madeira early in November, and would be grateful for > any tips and/or suggestions regarding orchid growers & gardens to > visit. I've found one location on the 'Net -- Jardim Orqumdea in > Funchal. Has anyone been there? > > Can anyone give me some guidance on the regulations regarding buying > orchids in Portugal and bringing them back to Germany? Not sure how > this EU business works. > > Thanks in advance for help & suggestions. > > Cheers > > Sandy > > -- > www.pollenatrix.com > "Botanical discipline, daily." > -- -- Jean De Witte www.jeandewitte.de ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids
[OGD] Growth media pH and EC
Do you monitor pH and Electrical Conductivity (EC) levels in your growing media? I was wondering if anybody does this, and the implications of monitoring pH and EC. Thanks, Dinesh ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids
Re: [OGD] orchids in Madeira
Thanks for the tips, Viateur and Marianne! Hmmm, I think I may do a little shopping on this vacation... On Mon, 11 Oct 2004 16:48:03 -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Sandy : > > You asked : "suggestions regarding orchid growers & gardens to visit". ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids
