[OGD] soemone has a virus
I may not have been alone in receiving 120+ emails from [EMAIL PROTECTED], or some such address, sent to an e-mail address that I no longer use. Could whoever this is please check their machine for a virus? _ Oliver Sparrow Tel: UK (0)20 7736 9716 www.chforum.org www.treknepal.org www.datafreeze.com ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Re : Orchid dealers
Does anyone have any recommendations for reliable legitimate suppliers/dealers of orchid species from Peru or Ecaudor or Thailand or the Philippines? Many thanks Mike ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Re :caribbean orchids
I will be leaving in a weeks time to go on a cruise of the Caribbean. does anybody know of any orchid growers in the area who might be willing to show me orchids growing in the wild? We will be visiting Barbados/Tobago/St Lucia/St Kitts/Catalina Island(Dominican Rep.) /Tortola/Antigua/Dominica/Grenada/Bonaire (Nederlands Antilles)/Grand Cayman/Ochos Rios (Jamaica). Alternatively could somebody please give me an e-mail address for the membership secretary of the AOS so that I can enquire if they have any affiliated societies in those places. I would also be grateful if anybody knows of places to visit in those islands where I might see orchids. Many thanks Mike ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Richardiana articles
Rob Zuiderwijk requested scanned copies of articles from Richardiana Vol 4 (2004) and Vol 3 (2004). Rob, these journals are still current and (as far as I'm aware) still available. You should support the journal by purchasing your copies (just like everyone else does) rather than asking someone to bootleg them for you. Peter O'Byrne ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Glossorhyncha spp.
Phil, there are several reasons why you haven't been able to find out much about the genus Glossorhyncha: a) most authors in recent times have treated Glossorhyncha as a section of Glomera, not as a genus in it's own right. Try checking "Glomera" as well as "Glossorhyncha". Schlechter & J.J.Smith disagreed bitterly over the correct status of these two groups, with Schlechter maintaining that they were separate genera, and Smith combining them. In habit the two groups are identical; Glomera (sensu Schltr.) has a compressed capitate inflorescence, and the lateral sepals are usually joined underneath the lip (Glomera erythrosma being the best-known exception); Glossorhyncha has larger single-flowered inflorescences with widespreading flowers. b) Most of the species have a limited distribution (sometimes just one mountainside), and most are poorly described and difficult to identify. c) They are extremely slow-growing and seldom flower. The individual flowers are ephemeral. Consequently, the species are of little horticultural interest. d) The final nail in the coffin: many of the species are extremely difficult to grow in cultivation. In general, they prefer it but wet, cool and windy. In the wild, some species grow deeply embedded in moss-pads ... these could (theoretically) be cultivated in pots of sphagnum, underneath a spray with a fan blowing on them. but several of these species are limply pendulous, so you'd have to keep the pot upside down. Other species are scrambling aerophytes with long multi-branching stems that send out roots if they make contact with a surface. Extremely tricky to replicate these growing conditions. Having stated all these reasons why little is known about them, I've just got to add that several species are very pretty. Peter O'Byrne Singapore ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Re: Phrag Articles
In a message dated 11/29/04 7:27:03 AM, David writes: Some readers may be interested to know that the previous (Oct-Nov 2004) and next (Dec '04 - Jan '05) editions of the "Australian Orchid Review" feature English versions of Guido's Phragmipedium articles, with photographs. This includes all the taxonomy. How do I get hold of them? Thanks, Iris ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] pollination
Hi everyone! Is possible to obtain fertile seeds from self pollinated phalaenopsis hybrids an Vanda Kasem's delight X V. Gordon Dillon? -- Regards, Thomas from Guatemala. ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Inheritance
I noticed something curious about the influence of C. bicolor. In Pot. Memoria Shirley Moore (Blc. Crowfield x Sc. Beaufort), the fact that C. bicolor is one grandparent jumps out & screams at you, although so far the growth is unifoliate. On the other hand, in Hawkinsara Koolau Sunset (Slc. Mae Hawkins x Ctna. Keith Roth), again with C. bicolor as one grandparent, its influence is far more subtle, although plant habit is bifoliate. I don't know if any of the above progenitors are 4n. Anyone care to comment? This is a good example of why Ben Berliner (z"l) always cautioned against using percentages. Iris ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] orchid cruise
Mike : You asked : "recommendations for reliable legitimate suppliers/dealers of orchid species from Peru or Ecaudor or Thailand or the Philippines?" At the following addresses, you can find comments about some orchid nurseries : http://www.orchidrate.info/ogresado1.asp http://commerce.univers-orchidees.org/index.php?section=vlis&orderby=2&orderdisplay=ASC After reading the comments, you can decide which nursery you believe might be more reliable. ** You also asked : "the Caribbean... orchids growing in the wild? ... affiliated societies in those places..." Your best option would be to contact local orchid societies. See details about some of these societies at the following address : http://orchidweb.org/affiliated.html * Please share your experiences and finds with the OGD... Have a good trip ! Regards, Viateur ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] rangaeris amaniensis
Thank you to everyone who responded with feedback concerning Rangaeris amaniensis. Your considerate responses are very much appreciated. __ Do you Yahoo!? Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/maildemo ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
Re: [OGD] Re : Orchid dealers
If you are looking for Peruvian and Ecuador, search no further than Gypsy Glen Orchids, which is run by the honorable Dennis D'Alessandro. www.gypsyglenorchids.com If he doesn't have it, he knows who will. What kind of genus are you looking for from Thailand/Philippines, as this makes a large difference in who I should refer you to? Regards, Steve ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] "Bootleg" copies of botanical articles
Peter O'Byrne recently wrote: "You should support the journal by purchasing your copies (just like everyone else does) rather than asking someone to bootleg them for you." Peter, is it correct to then infer from your comment that when I go to the scientific library at the California Academy of Sciences and photocopy these articles for my own personal use that I am "bootlegging" the magazine? How is going to a library and making copies yourself different from having a third party do the exact same thing and send them to you in an email or as a physical paper photocopy that is mailed to you? I'm not trying to be flame bait here, just pointing out to me what is a very obvious disconnect of thought. Thanks, -Eric in SF www.orchidphotos.org --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.799 / Virus Database: 543 - Release Date: 11/19/2004 ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Gavino Rotor's work still stands?
I asked a bit ago if Gavino Rotor's work still stood and found the following link to an abstract of his work: http://www.botany.org/ajb/00029122_di001489.html Its way down the page, so you'll have to scroll. The part I'm interested in is the last two sentences. "No relation was established between the length of the pseudo-bulb or the stage of leaf development and flower bud initiation. Observations made indicate a relationship of flower bud initiation with day-length." Rotor spends much more time in the article on the relationship between day length and bud initiation than this abstract leads us to believe. Rotor refers to the tendency of labiata to make up a pseudobulb and wait for a proper annual cumulative amount of light to occur (he even provides dates at which the proper cumulative amounts have been received). And that if the plant hasn't received that amount of light it will lay up until it has been received. So. Does this work still stand? Has it been shot down by more recent work? K Barrett N Calif, USA _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
Re: [OGD] Richardiana articles
Peter O'Byrne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> answered as friendly as ever: > Rob Zuiderwijk requested scanned copies of articles from Richardiana > Vol 4 (2004) and Vol 3 (2004). > > Rob, these journals are still current and (as far as I'm aware) still > available. You should support the journal by purchasing your copies > (just like everyone else does) rather than asking someone to bootleg > them for you. > > Peter O'Byrne My apologies for apparently breaking the rules... Rob Zuiderwijk E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Website : PhragWeb - The Phragmipedium WebSite. (http://www.phragweb.info) ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
Re: [OGD] "Bootleg" copies of botanical articles
I think that making copies at the library, however prevalent, without authorization is illegal. At least, that is what I have been told at the universities. Steve Topletz ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Ecuadorian and Peruvian orchids
Title: Ecuadorian and Peruvian orchids In response to Mike O'Connor's question: Does anyone have any recommendations for reliable legitimate suppliers/dealers of orchid species from Peru or Ecuador or Thailand or the Philippines? Let me recommend Ecuagenera for Ecuadorian orchids. They have an amazing array of species, attend many international shows, and are extremely helpful and knowledgeable. Their beautiful website is http://www.ecuagenera.com For Peru, Karol Villena at Agroriente has many well grown plants. Her email is [EMAIL PROTECTED] And for species from both countries (as well as Thailand, the Philippines and many other countries) Andy's Orchids in Solana Beach, California. His website is http://www.andysorchids.com -- Steve Beckendorf Berkeley, California ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] (no subject)
>Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 10:52:17 + >From: Oliver Sparrow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: [OGD] soemone has a virus > >I may not have been alone in receiving 120+ emails from [EMAIL PROTECTED], or >some such address, sent to an e-mail address that I no longer use. Could >whoever >this is please check their machine for a virus? Oliver, you are not alone. The undeliverable message mentioned in my e-mails was something I was supposed to have sent to that address in 2003!!! Colin Hamilton Webmaster Australian Orchid Council/"OrchidsAustralia" Rockhampton, Qld. Australia www.orchidsaustralia.com I used to be indecisive but now I'm not so sure. ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Cruising the Caribbean
>Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 14:40:23 +0200 >From: "Mike O'Connor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: [OGD] Re :caribbean orchids > >I will be leaving in a weeks time to go on a cruise of the Caribbean. ... >We will be visiting Barbados/Tobago/St Lucia/St Kitts/Catalina >Island(Dominican Rep.) >/Tortola/Antigua/Dominica/Grenada/Bonaire (Nederlands Antilles)/Grand >Cayman/Ochos Rios >(Jamaica). Oh what a terrible life you live Colin Hamilton Purchasing/Finance Officer CSIRO Livestock Industries, Rockhampton, Qld. Australia Ph: +61 (0)7 49238112; Fax: +61 (0)7 49238222 [EMAIL PROTECTED] I used to be indecisive but now I'm not so sure. ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Re:OGD V6 #11 Orchid Species Suppliers
Mike: Don't overlook the opportunity to attend the Redlands Orchid Fair, held each year the Friday, Saturday and Sunday after Mothers' Day, in Homestead, Florida, in the Miami area. It will have several vendors from Peru as well as vendors from Ecuador and the Philippines and all sorts of other exotic places. There you will see exactly what you are getting before you make your purchase and partake in a real fun event. Bert Pressman ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Philippine orchids
I have bought orchids from both Tecson orchids (on the net) from the Philippeans and Mac's orchids in Ft. Lauderdale, USA. Mac and his wife have a lot of nice stuff that's healthy and you don't have to worry about import hassles (APHIS) etc. Tecson has some hard to find desirable species (like V. javierii) that you can buy and have shipped to you, but you must pull the permits.Louis Del Favero Orchids in Tampa, Fl. has some nice Thai and Philippean orchid species too. try Joey and David at Sands orchids in New Smyrna, Florida, too. My experience has been that these nurseries sell good, healthy stock. Some other orchid growers have bought orchids from other Philippean nurseries and they were disappointed with some of the plants because they didn't survive - "they were sticks". I don't remember whether these orchids were harvested from the wild , but Tecson grows all their own. Cheers, NancyB. ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
Re: [OGD] "Bootleg" copies of botanical articles
Making photocopies at a library of pages from a book, a journal article (even in its entirety), or any other copyrighted document generally falls under the consideration of fair use. Now, this applies only in the U.S. and other countries that recognize and enforce standard copyright laws. The basic defining characteristics of the copying are that the photocopied information is for personal or educational use, will not be duplicated beyond fair use (e.g., giving copies to students as part of a class project or assignment), and will not be sold. If fair use did not exist, then much of the information obtained by instructors and professors, as well as many lab manuals, reading packets, etc., would not be possible without students really whining about costs! Articles used for research purposes are covered by fair use. Now, there are a few presumptions, or at least common policies, inherent in fair use: 1) the copies are made by the person that will use the document; 2) subsequent copies are made from the first copy and not the original, and are to used within the fair use provision; and 3) the entire document, particularly books, will not be copied in their entirety. It is common for institutional and commercial copying services to deny a job request if they feel that there may be a copyright infringement on original documents, even if it is a clear fair use situation, as they would be liable for that infringement. This is one reason that you will find serious graduate students spending a lot of money and time at photocopy machines doing their own copying; it is also surprising how much speed reading gets done at photocopiers. Regarding Peter's comment about bootlegging, I do sympathize with this feeling if the user makes frequent use of articles from particular journals; hence one reason by university faculty and researcher offices are loaded with shelf space devoted to journals and books. And, a lot of money is spent on these subscriptions or other purchases. However, I do not see that the copying of an occasional article as a problem. Making a request to another person to obtain an occasional article is also not a transgression of either copyright or common courtesy. What is sometimes seen, however, is that some people that lack the patience or knowledge to use libraries and their services (e.g., interlibrary loan [received articles are typically photocopies!]) are dependent upon others to do the footwork. In your case, Eric, I do not see any problems with your search for knowledge. Paul On Nov 2004, at 2:09 PM, Eric Hunt wrote: Peter O'Byrne recently wrote: "You should support the journal by purchasing your copies (just like everyone else does) rather than asking someone to bootleg them for you." Peter, is it correct to then infer from your comment that when I go to the scientific library at the California Academy of Sciences and photocopy these articles for my own personal use that I am "bootlegging" the magazine? How is going to a library and making copies yourself different from having a third party do the exact same thing and send them to you in an email or as a physical paper photocopy that is mailed to you? I'm not trying to be flame bait here, just pointing out to me what is a very obvious disconnect of thought. Thanks, -Eric in SF www.orchidphotos.org --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.799 / Virus Database: 543 - Release Date: 11/19/2004 ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Copying of literature
Paul wrote Making photocopies at a library of pages from a book, a journal article (even in its entirety), or any other copyrighted document generally falls under the consideration of fair use. Now, this applies only in the U.S. and other countries that recognize and enforce standard copyright laws. I can confirm that this is the situation in Australia too. Our copyright laws are pretty strict. Colin Hamilton Webmaster Australian Orchid Council/"OrchidsAustralia" Rockhampton, Qld. Australia www.orchidsaustralia.com I used to be indecisive but now I'm not so sure. ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Angraecum Mem. George Kennedy
Does anyone grow Angraecum giryamae x comorense? I don't know if these are bonafide species in their own right, or are simply subspecies of Angraecum eburneum. But whatever they are, I recently got a large plant that's getting ready to bloom, and would like to see if anyone else has had experience with the same hybrid. I've only found very limited information on this plant online. One newsgroup thread I found indicated that the combination of giryamae x comorense should be called Angraecum Memoria George Kennedy (but since the thread was in German, I wasn't able to read through it). If anyone has any information on this plant, I'd appreciate hearing from you. __ Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! - Get yours free! http://my.yahoo.com ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] "Bootleg" articles
Paul gave a very good exposition on the concept of "fair use." I'm a librarian and couldn't have done a better job myself! I'm surprised that it doesn't exist in Singapore. The hard part about explaining the concept is that there is a matter of interpretation of what constitutes fair use and what constitutes infringement. I recently interviewed for a librarian position at an institution (a for-profit biomedical) that was clearly violating fair use (rules are different for educational and for-profits). They were getting electronic copies and passing them around the company. The so-called Texaco case made clear that this could not be legally done. That is one reason there is an organization called the Copyright Compliance Center (CCC). Even libraries that do free interlibrary loans have limits on how many articles they can "borrow" from a given journal in a given year. If they go beyond this, they are expected to either subscribe to the journal or pay a fee to the CCC. The practice of individuals providing each other this kind of copying service is fairly new historically (since scanning became so easy). Of course, for years many scientific and a few other journals have provided authors a set number of copies of their article (reprints) which others can request and the author is expected to pay the postage to send the requestor the article. There are even standardized post cards which one can use to request these. These are sometimes the same journals that have charged the authors page costs rather than paying the author for use of the article. Quite a little racket, actually. With the Internet, the whole set of common practices of academic publishing, have come into question (partly because institutions through their libraries often cannot afford to buy--again--information created on institutional time by their own employees!). Of course, certain publishers (one in the Netherlands in particular) make huge profits for their shareholders through their monopolistic practices. I'll stop before I get on a real rant! Harvey Brenneise West Seattle ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Help please with Oncidium bracteatum
Hello All, I am growing this species here in the NY suburbs. Indoors. Not in a greenhouse. It has spiked about 3 feet and now starting to flower. I can't find a description of it. Mine has 2 or 3 flowers on short branches off the main spike. Is this what it should be doing? Any advise would be greatly appreciated. Oh by the way, I want to show it on Wednesday. Thanks in advance. Joe C ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Angraecum Memoria George Kennedy
Michael : You wrote : "the combination of giryamae x comorense should be called Angraecum Memoria George Kennedy". Right. Angraecum Memoria George Kennedy (Angraecum giryamae x Angraecum comorense) was made by Nail and registered by same, 1st January 1981. That hybrid was given a CCM/AOS in 1991, 1992 and 2002. See the AOS Awards Quarterly : vol. 22, no. 1, spring 1991 vol. 23, no. 4, winter 1992 vol. 33, no. 2, June 2002 *** Regards, Viateur ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Oncidium bracteatum Warsz. & Rchb.f.
Joe : You wrote : "this species [Oncidium bracteatum]... has spiked about 3 feet... 2 or 3 flowers on short branches off the main spike." In Stewart, J. (ed.) Manual of Orchids, 1995, the following description is to be found : "Panicle to 120 cm, short-branched, conspicuously bracteate ; fls usually 3, to 2.5 cm diam." (page 237) *** Regards, Viateur ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Orchid Journals and "bootlegs"
I'm with Peter O'Byrne on this. After all, if we didn't have subscribers to orchid journals, there would be NO orchid journals for us to enjoy. All serious orchidists should keep up to date at least with the major orchid periodicals. So if they are "recent" articles you are chasing, buy the back issues and support the magazine/publisher. There's enough "free stuff" on the internet as it is. On the same tack, I see no problem with the odd paper being copied from "out of print" or scarce/antiquated literature. But please, support the major orchid publications. David P. Banks Editor "Australian Orchid Review" www.australianorchidreview.com subscription email requests to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
