[OGD] Dijon
I have been reliably informed that CITES and Phytosanitary Certificates in Dijon will be free of charge. “In fact, in order to travel with orchids, you need phytosanitary and CITES certificates. Those can be obtained for free at the WOC exhibition. The instructions will be given at the entrance. We are looking forward to welcome you in DIJON. Best regards, Danielle DE CORDIER Adviser WOC » You can’t do better than that ! I can’t wait to get there ! Howard Ginsberg ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
Re: [OGD] Dijon
Hi Howard, Thanks for clearing the issue up! I am really looking forward! M - Original Message - From: Howard Ginsberg To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2004 9:02 PM Subject: [OGD] Dijon I have been reliably informed that CITES and Phytosanitary Certificates in Dijon will be free of charge. In fact, in order to travel with orchids, you need phytosanitary and CITES certificates. Those can be obtained for free at the WOC exhibition. The instructions will be given at the entrance. We are looking forward to welcome you in DIJON. Best regards, Danielle DE CORDIER Adviser WOC » You cant do better than that ! I cant wait to get there ! Howard Ginsberg ___the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD)[EMAIL PROTECTED]http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] re: Trust O'Byrne to jump on his usual hobby horse.
Mr Easton I would like to remind you that you initially started this sub-thread by writing : " >As many of the orchid enthusiasts have already noticed, the Dijon WOC is >extremely user unfriendly and poorly organized. The French bureaucracy will >assist in making things difficult for visitors and exhibitors alike. With >registration likely to peak around 1,000 this clearly will not be a >memorable WOC. Maybe a visit to Miami or Santa Barbara, both guaranteeing >beautiful weather for their March 2005 shows would be a much more rewarding >alternative? Or save up and come to Miami in 2008 when registration will be >less than half the cost of Dijon and at least quadruple the number of Dijon >exhibitors will attend." Well the Conference is in March next year, how do you in advance know that this event will not be memorable? Writing things like this, is pure provocation and could only serve some ridiculous purpose yet to be identified. Uri Baruk FRANCE ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] alba and semi-alba as an absense of purple?
Recent comments by Bill on the OGD regarding the use of alba/album/albus (root word for "white") to indicate a lack of anthrocins is present in the flower, thereby providing a differentiation between a normally colored flower with reddish-purple is somewhat confusing. While I have the utmost respect for him as an orchid judge and fully accept his statement that AOS indicates the practice of alba and semi-alba as a "lack of color" it is perceived by me as being impractical. Here is why In botanical Latin used to describe a new species, a usage of semi-alba would indicate "half white" while the alba/album/albus connotates white. There exists a whole list of botanical Latin words depicting degrees or shades of white, i. e., niveus (snow white), candidus (pure white but not as clear a white), eburneus (ivory white), lacteus (milk white), cretaceus/calcareus/gypseus (chalk white), etc. Sterns' Botanical Latin plus what one understands of the standards for biological and botanical naming of orchids indicates usage of albescens (turning white), albidis (whitish), and dealbatus (whitened) to indicate paler or bleached out coloration, but not if the bleached condition does not yield white! Without being catty, perhaps Sibilis will enlighten this poor scholar further. Doug Harris ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Neos
We have several Neofinitias that we are line breeding, and are generally getting flowers about 4-5 years after flask. Steve ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Helping Andy Win his Bet
(a) Buzz Baxter, (b), Andy Easton and (c) Bill "dorris" Bergstrom all responded to my posting, quite true to type with (a) personal attacks, (b) threats and (c) ... duh ? what exactly were you trying to say, Bill ? Someone has threatened to annihilate the USA ? What, all 9,631,418 sq km and all 300 million of you ??? Sounds like a bad case of paranoia to me. BTW, and FYI, yes, my front door is usually left open; you should try it some time, maybe you'd make some friends. Guys, you haven't done your homework. Didn't you read the communique that was released on the last day of the ASEAN summit in Vientiane ... as recently as Tuesday last week ? ASEAN appealed to the USA to "assist the bilateral movement of people between ASEAN and USA by removing excessive visa requirements and coming into line with accepted world standards". Andy, did you realise that you were describing your adopted country's trans-Pacific neighbours' official position as "a typically rabid anti-United States response" ? And you thought it was just lil' ol' me you were dissing. Better forget about applying for that job with the State Dept. The bald fact is that the USA's visa requirements and your Immigration Dept's treatment of visitors ARE going to stop people attending Miami '07. If you don't believe me, just check the statistics ... see what has happened to the number of visitors arriving since the first set of excessive visa requirements was imposed. When is the second set due to be enforced ... next March ? Andy, if you're going to win your bet about the number of visitors going to Miami, you'll need those overseas arrivals. I strongly recommend that you start lobbying Washington NOW for a change in visa policy ... hey, you can even quote the ASEAN communique to help you state your case ! Andy, I'm terribly sorry that you can't afford $300 for a dinner. While you're in Washington, you'd better raise this issue with the guys you voted for last month. The bad news is that unless you can persuade them to stop spending more than they earn, the US$ will continue to freefall against the Euro. If the current trend continues, that dinner will set you back more than $500 by the time you arrive in Dijon. Extrapolating current exchange-rate trends to '07 suggests that by the time the Miami WOC comes round, the US$ will have about the same value as the New Peso. Andy, you're a big guy, ear to the ground, close to the heart of things, so tell us ... is there any truth in the rumour that the WOC '07 Organising Committee have a contingency plan to price the Miami event in Euros ? I'd advise against it, personally. The cheaper the dollar gets, the larger the number of genuine orchid people who will be able to afford to visit Miami. Cordially, Peter O'Byrne Singapore ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Uri and O'Byrne, what a combo!
Title: Uri and O'Byrne, what a combo! Uri, maybe your bias is showing? As a residence of France maybe you haven't heard the buzz. The Dijon WOC is being avoided in droves because of the unrealistic event pricing, second string status to a Spring bulb show and the generally unappealing program of lectures. You hear these things when you live in the real orchid world. O'Byrne is weak on comprehension as well as other more important areas. I have no intention of wasting time by attending Dijon, even though I love French food and culture. Much prefer Miami show followed by Santa Barbara, both with guaranteed congenial weather and world class orchids. Orchid enthusiasts will have no problem attending Miami in 2008, maybe O'Byrne would, if he tried, find some difficulties. We will all be the richer, in spirit, by his absence. Andy Easton ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
Re: [OGD] Neos
Will you be down in D/FW any time soon? Does your step brother have any of the Neofinetia falcata f. Shoujou 'Mary Mulhollan' divisions available? Call me, Steve Topletz ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Dijon
We plan to go to the WOC and thoroughly enjoy ourselves. We hear lots of good things about Dijon; we know the surrounding area is wonderful; we have a chance to renew friendships with orchid friends from all over the world; the lectures look fascinating; we look forward to the show itself and it's in the middle of a big show of other flowers; we get to spend a week afterward in Paris; and we even get to try speaking French! What's not to like? Andy, Miami 2008 is years away. We'll probably enjoy that too, but it doesn't affect our anticipation of Dijon 2005! My motto, carpe diem! -- Steve Beckendorf Berkeley, California ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] You're an idiot attacks
I'm sick of reading this kind of junk on this list. There is absoltuely no need or excuse for it, or for it to continue. (I am entirely in favor of vigorous discussion of ideas.) I ask the listowner to create a safe environment for the discussion of ideas by prohibiting such attacks on this list, giving those who do it one warning, and them removing from from the list. I have not seen this kind of uncivilized behavior on any other list that I am on, and it does not give our hobby a good reputation (are we really THAT narcissitic?), and indeed drives many people away. There are only a few who do this, and I don't think their presence will be missed. Sincerely, Harvey Brenneise West Seattle ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
Re: [OGD] You're an idiot attacks
ï Hear, Hear, I've seen some very heated discussions on other Mail lists, but nothing resembling that on the Orchid Mail List. It's completely out of hand with all the name calling. Andy Lanier South Florida I'm sick of reading this kind of junk on this list. There is absoltuely no need or excuse for it, or for it to continue. (I am entirely in favor of vigorous discussion of ideas.) I ask the listowner to create a safe environment for the discussion of ideas by prohibiting such attacks on this list, giving those who do it one warning, and them removing from from the list. I have not seen this kind of uncivilized behavior on any other list that I am on, and it does not give our hobby a good reputation (are we really THAT narcissitic?), and indeed drives many people away. There are only a few who do this, and I don't think their presence will be missed. Sincerely,Harvey BrenneiseWest Seattle ___the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD)[EMAIL PROTECTED]http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
Re: [OGD] You're an idiot attacks
I agree with you, Harvey. Although I'm subscribed to this list, I only occasionally read this lists mail because there is too much fur flying all the time. I can ask a question or make a comment on the AOS forum and get a civil response. I've been on the forum for a year and the only time things got anywhere near testy was leading up to the AOS elections. The kind of attacks on this list are simply not necessary. Sharon On 8 Dec 2004 at 12:16, Harvey Brenneise wrote: > I'm sick of reading this kind of junk on this list. There is > absoltuely no need or excuse for it, or for it to continue. (I am > entirely in favor of vigorous discussion of ideas.) I ask the > listowner to create a safe environment for the discussion of ideas by > prohibiting such attacks on this list, giving those who do it one > warning, and them removing from from the list. I have not seen this > kind of uncivilized behavior on any other list that I am on, and it > does not give our hobby a good reputation (are we really THAT > narcissitic?), and indeed drives many people away. There are only a > few who do this, and I don't think their presence will be missed. > > Sincerely, > Harvey Brenneise > West Seattle > > > > > ___ > the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com > ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Re: White vs. White
I don't see why there is so much confusion over the term alba. Right now we are talking about cultivated orchids being registered for shows or entered for judging, or just being properly labeled in your collection. An "alba" orchid is a usually pink or purple one in which the anthocyanin pigment is entirely lacking. There is a defective gene somewhere along the pathway from sugar to pigment, so one of the necessary enzymes is missing. In Cattleyas, the result is a pure white flower. It may have some green in the petals if it is descended from C. bicolor or C. tigrina (leopoldii). It may have some yellow in the lip, but if there is no pink, purple, or red it is called alba. In the case of Paphs., like the popular Maudiae type, there may be quite a bit of green patterning in the flower, but it is otherwise colorless. In other orchid groups, if the flower lacks anthocyanin but has a lot of yellow or brown, it usually gets a different name. I could be mistaken, but my understanding of the term albescens is a white which is not pure, but tinged with a tiny bit of pink or lavender. As a rule, you can't get a pure white by breeding two albescens, although some breeders try to sell the offspring as alba. The genetics are different. As far as I know, the term semi-alba is purely a horticultural term. I have never seen it in relation to botanical descriptions. In orchids, usually Cattleyas, it refers to a flower which is pure white except for the lip, which may be all purple or just have a spot of purple. The genetics are more complicated. Originally it was the result of breeding C. dowiana to a purple (I think warscewiczii), although I have seen it as a result of crossing a yellow with a purple Laelia. Breeders have been trying to produce a semi-alba minicatt. Pot. Heavenly Jewel didn't quite make it. My Sc. Mini Collins is lovely, but the petals are brushed pink, with chips from C. Kittiwake. In many plant groups, a true two-tone flower has dotted or striped foliage. I have seen this on some Cattleyas. There again, you see a lot of tinged "semi-albas" and I'm pretty sure breeding them will give you more of the same. ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Album etc.
Regarding the questions on alba orchids: Early last year I had an article that attempted to put Albescent Cymbidiums in some sort of context published in the CSA Journal. Additionally I proposed that there were more than two different alleles for albinism at the "C" locus. If you are interested, this article is available on my website at http://www.geocities.com/pennypoint9/albescent.html The AOS Bulletin article on naming these clones refered to in this string is: "The Difference Between Alba, Alba Form, and White", by Dr. Kenneth S. Wilson, in the AOS Bulletin, vol. 49 (8), pp. 863-867, August 1980. Regards, greig russell"Valhalla", Osborne Lane,7975 KOMMETJIE,Western Cape.(021) 783 3962http://www.geocities.com/pennypoint9/http://tygerorchids.itgo.com PASSION IS THE ONLY REASON ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
Re: [OGD] You're an idiot attacks
LOL, Sharon! You should have been here for the CITES discussion after "Orchid Fever" came out! Or when the Sunspray Oil, spray vs. dip flame war broke out (on the OLD)! You are certainly right, the attacks aren't necessary. But the way I see it, opinions give insight into a person's character. The list would be informative, but not as interesting without them. We have people on this list from all over the world with many different views and beliefs. There are many big egos. I hope one day to visit a WOC and put faces to these names that I know so well. I bow to their superior knowledge but realize that they aren't all going to always disagree nicely. I've been on many many email listservs, dating back since 1993. This one is by far the most diverse, the most derisive, and the very *best* one of all. Thanks, Kenneth. Denise Sharon wrote: I agree with you, Harvey. Although I'm subscribed to this list, I only occasionally read this lists mail because there is too much fur flying all the time. I can ask a question or make a comment on the AOS forum and get a civil response. I've been on the forum for a year and the only time things got anywhere near testy was leading up to the AOS elections. The kind of attacks on this list are simply not necessary. Sharon On 8 Dec 2004 at 12:16, Harvey Brenneise wrote: I'm sick of reading this kind of junk on this list. There is absoltuely no need or excuse for it, or for it to continue. (I am entirely in favor of vigorous discussion of ideas.) I ask the listowner to create a safe environment for the discussion of ideas by prohibiting such attacks on this list, giving those who do it one warning, and them removing from from the list. I have not seen this kind of uncivilized behavior on any other list that I am on, and it does not give our hobby a good reputation (are we really THAT narcissitic?), and indeed drives many people away. There are only a few who do this, and I don't think their presence will be missed. Sincerely, Harvey Brenneise West Seattle ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Not quite Iris, Get a life Harvey!
Title: Not quite Iris, Get a life Harvey! Iris, If a flower is brown then it must have some anthocyanin or delphinidin pigmentation. That's the only way you get brown! I think you will find that WCL Cattleyas are not merely a horticultural type. The semi-alba forms exist in many species and Dr. Mehlquist published on the separate inheritance of lip coloration in Cattleyas in the 1950's. It's all written up in Withner, many decades ago. Harvey, you seem to miss the fact that O'Byrne is a racist, pure and simple. If you wish to ignore racist taunts, some of us prefer not too. Possibly this is our democratic right. I see you still use the msu.edu e-mail address. Is this proper behavior? Andy Easton ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] scan needed - alba (Wilson)
Thanks Greig for the reference to the article "The Difference Between Alba, Alba Form, and White", by Dr. Kenneth S. Wilson in the AOS Bulletin, vol. 49 (8), pp. 863-867, August 1980. I would very much like to get a scan of that article. Unfortunately, my collection of issues of the Bulletin only goes back to January 1981. Thanks in advance, Viateur ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] flying fur and orchid fever
I really wish I would have been a member of this list to read the discussions about Orchid Fever and CITES. Just read the book within the past week for the first time (and yes, I'm aware that I'm really behind on my reading), and have to admit that I thoroughly enjoyed it. Are there old archives where I can review the discussions of this book? I promise not to bring anything that I read from the archives up for discussion to annoy anyone with! LOL, Sharon! You should have been here for the CITES discussion after "Orchid Fever" came out! Denise __ Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! - What will yours do? http://my.yahoo.com ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] AOS Bulletin vol 49 (8) pp 863-867 Aug 1980
Viateur asked: >"The Difference Between Alba, Alba Form, and White",>by Dr. Kenneth S. Wilson>in the AOS Bulletin, vol. 49 (8), pp. 863-867, August 1980.>I would very much like to get a scan of that article. Scanned, sent to you off list. Peter Croezen ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Anglocaste/Lycaste
Hello can anyone advise where i would find a picture of these two crosses have looked in Goggle and have found the names but no pictures as yet can someone assist me Anglocaste Thomas x Auburn Lycaste Sunrise x Anglocaste Lady Bath Many Thanks Les No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.289 / Virus Database: 265.4.8 - Release Date: 8/12/2004 ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] scan provided - thanks
Thanks Peter (Croezen) for the scan of the 5 pages requested
("The Difference Between Alba, Alba Form, and White",
by Dr. Kenneth S. Wilson
in the AOS Bulletin, vol. 49 (8), pp. 863-867, August 1980.)
Quick, efficient.
I am impressed.
Best regards,
Viateur
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Re: [OGD] You're an idiot attacks
On 8 Dec 2004 at 16:31, Denise Nash wrote: > LOL, Sharon! > > You should have been here for the CITES discussion after "Orchid > Fever" came out! Or when the Sunspray Oil, spray vs. dip flame war > broke out (on the OLD)! I have been around long enough to have overdosed on CITES to the extent that I set up a filter within my email program so that any emails with the word CITES goes directly to trash. It's not that I think CITES isn't a worthwhile topic, it's just that it starts trash wars. I'd rather go play with my orchids than read blow by blow virtual fist fights. > > You are certainly right, the attacks aren't necessary. But the way I > see it, opinions give insight into a person's character. The list > would be informative, but not as interesting without them. I'm not against opinions but an opinion of "you are a stupid #$!*$$%" is not an opinion but rather a personal attack. If the UN were run this way, the world would have blown itself apart years ago! All that said, the list is a good list overall. Thru this list I made a dear friend that has been of immense help to me. In addition to a place to connect with others in love with orchids it is populated with some of the most well known names in orchidomimagine what we might accomplish if we could all play nicely together? Sharon ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Andy at it again
Have you people not yet learned to just ignore Andy's postings? He's an utter and complete moron, likely doesn't know his butt from a hole in the ground either! Just ignore the ignorant bastard! Cody Cruise Valley Pest Consulting ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
